Trash Taste Podcast - Trash Taste is changing in 2024... | Trash Taste #184

Episode Date: December 29, 2023

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Hello and welcome to the final episode of 2023. Congratulations on making it to the end of the year. We made it guys. You survived. Another year we survived. I'm impressed, you somehow managed to bring my fridge to the office. This is really impressive. You know, when we asked staff to get us drinks

because of the end of year episode, I wasn't expecting like, everything. Like we were gonna have a party for 10. It's the company card, you know, right? We gave them the company card and they're like, wait, how can buy, How many? We're gonna start with a non-alcoholic first. You're starting off with non-alcoholic? Starting off with non-alcoholic?

Because it's harder to go back, gone. I'm gonna have a C or be no-needed. I'm gonna start with an alcoholic, and then if I feel like going non-alcoholic, I'll go non-alcoholic. Oh, I'm being judged, okay, fine, God. Successfully be impressed me. Yes, let's go.

Fine, it's the end of year, right? It's, it's the end of the year. Although, to be fair, to be fair. Cheers, boys. Credit, cheers, cheers. Ever since our last conversation about non-alcoholic beer, I have been a convert. I converted you, yeah, bro.

You did, you did. It's actually fire. Like Japan is really been stepping up with the non-alcoholic options. And to the point now where, you know, if it's a night where I'm gonna have like one or two beers, yeah, I'll just stay with the non-acoholics. I'm like, what's the point?

I don't know, I haven't got to the point where I can just drink beer for the taste yet. I fucking love the taste of beer. It's not about, I don't like alcohol. I like the tasted beer, but not enough to justify the alcohol. See, it's not just about the taste, because I remember last, I got this conversation, I made the argument

that it just doesn't taste the same, which it doesn't, but for me it's the feeling of having a pint. Yeah, that's what I'm telling, you laughed at it. Huh? You said, I'm gonna hear it's not saying that. You know, you know what it is? It's not even the taste, it's the foamyness of it,

you know? It's the gassiness that you only get with kind of like beer. If you drink some fucking mineral water, bro. No, because if you actually do, and I just doesn't hit the same. If you ever get into beer, right? Like there is this ultimate moment of peak refreshness when you've had a day that you felt like, shit, that took it out of me.

You crack that can open and you take that first sip, full foam, full coldness. It's every peak moment of the beer. And you're like, oh. Yeah, but I'm happy to know that like taking that first sip, which I totally get is the best feeling ever, especially when it's like stupid, stinking hot in a Japanese summer, right?

Like that first ice cold can of beer is the best. But I also like the fact that, oh, I'm gonna get a little bit loopy from it as well. You know? Well, it's sometimes, I don't know. If I don't wanna get drunk, I'll just crack open a mineral water. I normally don't get drunk though. I don't maintain like the nice buzz level. Yeah, it helps me do.

What's wrong with that though? Well, no, that's not drunk though. I wouldn't say it's drunk. It's just me being like a little funny and a little bit. Do you not like getting buzzed? Oh, no, I like getting buzzed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fun. So I'm trying to figure out what's the justification

but in moderation. Well, because I don't always wanna get that. I think I do it a little bit different from Connor Because for me, sometimes, I mean, this goes back to, I guess when I was working the office job as well. Sometimes you just have a really fucking hard day of work. Sure. And you just wanna sit back, relax, and crack open a cold one.

That's why I just said that. I literally just said that. No, because he was saying about the taste, right? For me, well, it's like, that's part of the experience there as well to me, like the taste, you know, but it's mainly about, Jesus. Yeah. You've had one sip, right? No. It's mainly about, like, having the long day

and then getting that like first sip. And it's like a very nice feeling. beer has a texture, which is important in food. It's a very nice texture that kind of just is, I don't know, it's perfect, I don't know. To expand on what you were saying like before, it's the feeling and also, sometimes you just want to crack open a pint

after a hard day of work without needing to get, like, the consequence of getting drunk or... Yeah, but do you feel the consequences after one pint? Well, no, okay, so this is a great argument that, because I'm ready. This beer would be like 250 calories or 200 calories, right? Okay. Not that I'm counting calories, right?

But I'm, you know, I wanna be in shape, right? So I'm thinking to myself what I can kind of roughly eat. I don't count calories to the fucking number. But I'm thinking to my head of like the rough toll of what I've been eating. Sure. And so if I have like two beers, you know, that's like a full like small lunch or a snack that I could have eaten instead.

They call beers liquid meals for a reason. Yeah, I mean it's definitely, the carbs are killing, man. It's so many carbs. So if you're doing it weekly, right? Because if you have one beer like four times a week. I have a solution then. It's like a thousand calories.

I have a solution. Don't drink beer. But I don't get the same refreshment and enjoyment from like a- Mate, you gotta sacrifice one or the other. Well, that's why. We're sacrificing the alcohol. Yeah, we're sacrificing the alcohol. Which is the worst thing you could be sacrificing.

Wait, it's the, no, Joey, Joey, Joey, it's scientifically the best thing you can be sacrificing. You don't sacrifice the fucking caffeine in a coffee, do you? I wouldn't mind doing that. Oh my God, it's too fine. Are you getting into decaf now? No, no, no, no. He's too far gone, bro.

We've lost him. The reason why I'm never gonna get into decaf, and this is a very piss-pull reason, but I think it's valid. Yeah. You know, I've got a coffee machine, and it takes a bunch of beans. If I, I would have to, like, take out,

I would have to take out all the beans and replace them every time I want decaf. I can't hear you say beans without hearing you say it. Bees, what the fuck. I don't want to, I don't want to, fucking have to change the things. the entire fucking machine to drink decaf, but that's what you get for having

a fuck off large machine. Yeah, but it's a beautiful machine. It's the centerpiece of my house. You have what, a fucking Lego piece on your wall? I've got a beautiful Italian engineer espresso machine. All the engineering points of Italy went into coffee. They can't make anything else in Italy, literally.

They don't have anything else. For the pastors crying right now. As in like engineering wise, right? Germany, they did everything. Italy was like, well, um, Spresso machines, anyone? Can't even be able to fucking tower correctly, man. No, they can't, it's leaving.

Just like, what the fuck, man? You've seen a completed Italian roadworks doesn't exist. Sure, I've never seen it. How's your fucking cities go? Oh, they're sinking? Oh, okay, yeah. Good to know. Italy has like every single economic crisis possible right now.

But my God, they still make a mean espresso machine. And their food fucking slaps. Yeah, the food is amazing. Sure. Point being. So yeah, they kind of spec their points To the correct categories. No, it's fine.

Honestly. I'm sure it looks lovely. Yeah, I didn't mean to sit on the machine. It's all right. I took that personally. Oh, sorry. I'm not sorry. No, but because of the non-alcoholic beer,

I was like, I saw there was a store selling non-alcoholic wine as well. And as you know, I'm a big- I think that's called grape juice. And I was like, I know this is going to be grape juice, but maybe, because this, because I've realized, non-alcoholic beer is basically just hop-flavored sparkling water. Yeah.

So maybe, they've just made kind of like, because wine is grape juice, obviously, but it doesn't always taste like grape juice, you know? Sure, yeah. Yeah, it's tastes like wine. There's loads of aspects to wine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so maybe they made water taste like beer

without having the alcohol in it. Maybe they've done the same wine. I just bought fucking grape juice, but they marked up to like $15 a bottle. He's just bought expensive grape juice. I just bought really fucking expensive grape juice. I've never been more disappointed in my life. This is what's wrong with society.

I got invited out to this extremely fancy restaurant and I, it was an Italian restaurant and I was like, you know, I love Italian food, but this was like gigaboozy fusion. And when I hear fusion food in my head, I'm like, okay, so they're just gonna fuck it up. Because pasta, you know, pastor just pasta, you know what I mean? I feel like fusion's coming back. I think some fusion works, but Italian is one of these things

where I'm like, I actually don't fusion it. They actually figured it out. Please stop messing with it. It's because the word fusion was just ruined by all of these restaurants that just used the word fusion just to say that they want, yeah, yeah, that's just say like, we serve every kind of Southeast Asian cuisine. You know, I went to this Thai Japanese fusion

and I thought that was great because that was literally just adding spices to Japanese foods because in Japan, it's great. It's all just salt. That works. It's fine, but they added like spiciness to it. I was like, wait, this is like, you guys should do this. Like this is great, but I went to this time

when it was very good. But the reason I bring this up is because they had a non-alcoholic wine and I didn't want to drink that day, so I was like, okay, sure, I'll try it. And to be fair, to their credit, I don't even wanna know how much it would cost, I didn't pay.

That's why you did it. There was no prices on the menu, which meant everything, I didn't even wanna know. Everything came out and it was this big, which I think goes against the entire point of Italian food. I'm just to feel morbidly obese after going to an Italian.

That's the American side of you, but no, I just think Italian food, you should feel very full. Like it's a very firm. Well, you do, because a lot of it is very costly. That's the fusion part of it. That's the fusion part. And then the fusion, they fusioned all the food away.

Because each pester was like this. And the guy brought it out and I said, where's the rest of it? The guy couldn't speak English and he goes, what? And I said, ah, nothing, nothing. They brought this, this non-pholic. They fissioned it with nothing. Every single dish came with a non-alcoholic wine pairing thing.

And they were like, it was like, jasmine, one of them was like jasmine flower petals with something. It was, yeah. And it was kind of okay. I felt like it was good enough that for, for a meal, I would be like, yeah, that's close enough. But it was missing the core feeling of wine. Whereas I think non-alcoholic beer

has kind of gotten the core feeling of beer. So a question, would you, if you were paying for that restaurant experience, would you have gotten that non-alcoholic wine? Did you do it because you seized the opportunity of getting it, trying it out like free of charge? It was just super fancy juice that was slightly viscous. And like, which is fine,

because I think that like, that's all also like an option. I think that, like, I think any time you can present an option that doesn't have alcohol, we should be encouraging that because obviously the less alcohol we all drink, the better. So if you can get it, like if wine tastes it the exact same, but with no alcohol, bro, I'm all there, you know what I mean? Yeah.

You can't say that in front of a fucking sea of alcohol. But that's the thing, maybe in 60 years, you know, Connor Jr. will be able to enjoy all the flavors of non-alcoholic beer without needing to drink alcohol. Look, look, okay. I'm not calling him Connor Jr., by the way. Here's the problem, okay? I like getting drunk, sure.

I don't like the consequence of getting drunk. That's something that you did not have to deal with in your 20s. And then you grow up and then you realize, wait, there are consequences for the stupid actions that I take. And it's unfortunate that Japan is a very, very alcoholic country. Yeah, we love to drink. Well, so is England and so is Australia. I thought England was pretty, England and the UK was bad in general.

And I felt that in the UK it was more so, I would drink on weekends and I would drink hard on the weekends. Yeah. But in Japan, what I found is that you drink hard, but it'll be a Tuesday and then a Thursday, and then a Friday and a Saturday, and you're like, okay, hold up now, I'm doubling what I was doing. Yeah, reality really doesn't slap you in the face here until you witness a shibu your meltdown with your own eyes.

Yeah, yeah. There was just so much more casual alcohol consumption here and to more of an extent than the UK. That's because it's so much cheaper as well. Yeah. Like, it's so cheap to like go out. way more here as well. So it's-

Totally. Like if you're in England, if you go out, if you just casually go to a pub, then you're probably an alcoholic, you know? But- Or a Brexen-Ghese. Or a Brex-A-Geeza.

Like if you just casually go to the pub, on most weekdays, you're probably an alcoholic. How we, like, coped with that was we're like, we just drink on the weekends. We just, we're just drinking on the weekends. That's how we cope with it, right? I also think that as a human being, you are entitled to self-destrook

as long as you're not hurting anyone else. If you wanna drink on the weekends and that's your thing, fucking do it. And then if it's affecting other people, then you gotta fucking address it. Yeah, and then that was before I started workforce and then when I entered the workforce, it slowly started to creep in to be like,

today was a hard day of work and some of my co-works. That's the danger, right? That's like the dangerous, that's weird, like the line. Like, between my first example and my second example, that's how you tiptoe the line. So I kind of realized the sad realization that stuff like this helps us fucking tiptoe that line. Right?

It is nice. Yeah, yeah. I have a feeling though that you guys have kind of reached this point, probably because you, both of you, drink more often than I do. Yeah, 100%. So I don't drink at home.

I don't think I've drank in like over a week, at least for me. And like I only maybe drink like two or three times a month. So I feel like the more you drink, the more I might start to feel like this. This month, this month particularly is generally a bad one. This one, this month is right. Oh, no right. Next week I'm in Australia, I'm not gonna have a sober day.

Well, yeah, it's like when my brother was here, you know, it's his vacation, right? So when I'm out with him, he wants to drink. And I'm like, yeah, I can, I'll drink with my brother. I don't get to see you that much. The problem is that when you think about times like that, you're like, okay, my brother is here, he's here for like one week every fucking three years

or something, I'd say. It's like, I'm gonna commit to that. But the context is that, okay, maybe the week before that, I also just happened to drink a lot. And then now I'm drinking all week. And then maybe I drink a little bit next week too. So it ends up being like, It doesn't matter what the circumstances.

The facts are is that maybe I just drank a bunch this day. And then I'm just trying to battle that. This is a, yeah, this is a- It's a- It's a- It's a- It's a slowly starting sound to sound like alcohol or like anonymous or like that. This is what happens when I realized. I was like the consequences of having a social life in Japan. Yeah.

Because Japan's social life equals drink. But I mean, you know, lately I've just been saying like, you know, if I know it's gonna be like, if some people will just invite you out for a casual dinner and I'm like, chill, fuck you. And I'll drink and I'm like, actually no, I'm just gonna fucking drink tea. fuck this.

I'm just, to me, I'm like, if I'm not gonna have, like four beers, I'm like, I don't fucking love. But we also, like, I feel like Japanese culture as well is an interesting one because even though we drink so much, like casually, regardless of the day of the week, we're also more forgiving to those who don't want to drink or can't drink, just because I feel there's a lot more people who just cannot drink, right?

So like- It's very odd, because it depends on the person though as well. I've definitely met Japanese people that are like, eh? You don't want to drink? What? Yeah, to them I'd be like, fuck off, it's my choice. Stop judging me. Whereas in Australia, like, if you couldn't drink, like you were, you know, in some ways, judged, and I'm sure it was the same in the UK as well, right?

Because like drinking culture is such a normal culture over there that when you see someone who can't drink or doesn't want to drink, then it's kind of like, why. Muslims must have been watching this first half of the show being like, what are they talking about? What are they talking about? That sounds like some funny juice

that they're drinking right now. That's the devil's juice. Yeah, because like, every time, it always, kind of like makes me realize whenever I talk to an American. And so many Americans I know, it depends on obviously which state you're from, but so many Americans I know don't know the difference. I like, I've had to explain the difference

between going out and going out out, if you guys get what I mean. Like going out, like the first one just being like, oh, we're just gonna go maybe have a couple of drinks. Yeah, just like a casual drink or such. Casual time, not drunk, and then there's going out. Yeah, yeah, so sometimes, sometimes, to explain, sometimes you go out with your mates.

to the pub or something. And you just have some casual drinks. And on some special occasions, maybe the vibe is just right. You start getting to that zone where you're like, should we go out, out? Are we gonna go out out? This is a UK-specific problem.

Because often like, if you have to like kind of pre-game, normally that means like, okay, well, there's this pivotal decision moment where people are gonna decide, let's keep going or let's go around. But in Japan, I feel like it's such, Those lines are so blurred, because you're always out in Japan.

Yeah, so you're always close to the next place or the next bar. Do you know one thing that I like about Japan culture? What? They don't really have a shot culture here. Oh, thank fuck for that. If you drink with Pete, he finds the places with the shot culture.

Well, he's American though. Yeah, I know, he's too charismatic. He gets the bar owners involved and they're like, oh, you should drink more. You need to go to those specific establishments, though, right? But you know what sucks is that when I tell people that like, how did you learn most of Japanese?

I'm like, fuck, I hate to admit it, but like just going out and drinking was most of it for me. Honestly, that is the best leg. Going to these bars and talking to bar owners, you know, and they're so welcoming, especially if you're a, if you're a foreigner who speaks some Japanese,

you know, and they can kind of see that, that normally that huge barrier is kind of gone. There's normally this kind of curiosity that kind of opens up where you can really just have a really good conversation because they want to talk to you and you want to talk to them because you're, you know, you're at their bar

and you want to get to know the places. Because I think everyone, everyone has that like, especially if you're going to, to a place somewhat often. You always wanna be like, does I gonna remember me? Like I wanna be like this guy, he's like,

yeah, it's this guy again, you know? Cause you wanna, it's almost like a sense of community, right? Cause you don't, you don't get that in a lot of places. If I went to the same, you're the local guy, you're the local guy, you're at this far. But like if I went to the same like, uh, grocery store for like two years in a row in the UK. Right.

There's a solid chance, at least in Wales, if it's smaller one, if it's a supermarket, probably not, but if it's like a smaller one, right? Odds are you'll be the Stanford party remember you, or they'll probably say, oh, hi, how you doing? You have that little bit of conversation, but just kind of like, you don't realize how much it kind of like gives you a bit of like,

oh man, that's nice. And the only place you can really get this in Japan is bars. Because like, Combeini, they ain't gonna fuck it. You can go to the Combeini five million times and they're never gonna be, say anything to you. It's not gonna happen. No, I've been recognized by a number of Combinney.

Well, okay, is that, no, no, no. I gotta go. You gotta go? I gotta hook up. But like generally, that's an anomaly, right? That's like not normal, right? So in Japan, like if you wanna get like that kind of friendly sense of like almost like,

almost like a missing sense of community. Well, I think it also doesn't help that like, we are in like the biggest city in the fucking world, right? But other cities on earth don't do this, I noticed. London was different. Like London, I know if I went to the same place over and over again, I would kind of get

that familiar connection. But that's because they have more of that stranger friendliness, right? Yeah, yeah. In Tokyo, that stranger friendliness is close to zero. Especially between a Japanese person and a guyjin. Like Tokyo is such a lonely place And it has this reputation rightfully served

of being one of the loneliest cities despite being a fucking giant city. Because there is that like zero sense of community. Yeah, like walking into like any kind of store in Tokyo is like just the same interaction over and over it. It's like entering the item shop in an RPG, you're gonna get the same dialogue every single time, even if you've been in there a hundred times.

Yeah. But you know, I like that in Japan, you can still get that, but it's mainly at bars. Only at bars, yeah. And it's kind of nice, because I got a bunch of bars that I go to where they're always like, oh, how you do it?

man, you're doing well? Well, I feel like it's kind of their job to be social, right? Or at least more social. Well, because I think they realize that that's also a good business move, right? To get repeaters coming back, right? Yeah, exactly.

You were a good business. I mean, it's makes a lot of places that I've noticed they are just genuinely nice, genuinely nice and just genuinely enjoy the company. Yeah, and enjoy the conversation and they are genuinely curious. Also, I would like to say earlier, when I say, I got a girl, I was fucking being sarcastic.

It's like an old, elderly Japanese woman. So you gotta go. I gotta go. You gotta go, man. Is she still like, oh, is she not? I was like, I, I, I, I, she works like, okay, so there's this old elderly Japanese woman and she normally works the late shift.

Uh, so I normally hit the con be in after like a trash taste recording or something. And there was this one time where I went in, it was really late after a night out. Uh, and there was his foreigner there and she was trying to explain some, uh, she was trying to explain, uh, explain how to use like the card system and stuff like that. And he just wasn't fucking getting it. Allow me to introduce myself.

And she was like, et do you say-so-y-same-sain? And she was like, can you explain to this person what I'm saying? And I was like, all right, I got this, I got this. And yeah, so I translated what she was saying to him to explain how to use the machine he was trying to use.

And then ever since then, she's just like, she's just been like extra like friendly and happy every time we come in. I'm like, all right, I gotta go now. That's what's up. I gotta go now. So next time you go in, you'll be like, hey, yo, can I have some of that free chicken?

So you got any free chicken? That's gonna go to waste if you don't give it to me. Yeah. My local conbenny, they look miserable. I don't blame them. Oh, they do? It is a rough conbeni. It does not look good.

At our old place up in, you know, up north, like there was the company worker near our house, like later at night who just used to give me free chicken every time I walked in. He was just like, we got some, we're gonna throw it out. Do you want? I'm like, sure. Hey, are you the anime man?

Do you want to free chicken? He recognized you, right? Yeah, he recognized me and then he was like, oh, you want a free chicken? I'm like, okay. I wish it was that easy, Joey. I know. I wish I could be that famous.

Do you know, I wish it was Lawson's. Then I'd be interested in the free chicken. Yeah, Falunymar chicken, get that shit out of here. Yeah, I can't do it on there. Everyone I know in Tokyo, they just agree that Falun is the worst. There's a lot of arguments over 7-11 and Lawsons, but I think family mart is the worst.

Well, family mart chicken for sure is the worst. Like, that is... All their food selection is shit. Yeah. Yeah. You know what 7-Eleven, the smoothies? There's a fucking god-lite. Yeah.

You can buy these smoothies in 7-Eleven where it's like, you get it out of the freezer. Yeah, I saw a TikTok. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, right, okay. I saw a TikTok where... I went to the fucking store and I got. No, no, no, so I saw a TikTok where some guy was like,

this is why Japan is living in 2020. Because they can make a fucking smoothie. Yeah, like, this is like, I saw a TikTok where it was like, this is why Japan is living in the future. It's right, God. Which is they have blenders. because they have blenders. Get the fucking pink one.

It's strawberry soy and it's fucking godlike. It's got like a bunch of protein too. It's 100 calories. It tastes so fucking good. Get it. It's so good. It is very convenient. I do love to do these.

Because I like I, you know, sometimes I want to drink, but I don't want a coffee and I just want something that's refreshing. And it's 200 yen. In the summer as well, especially because it comes out of the freezer as well. Yeah, it's so nice.

They're constantly upping it. Like I genuinely think every time I've left Japan now, I'm like, man, I don't think I can ever leave Japan. Like I don't think I can ever live anywhere else. Yeah, Combeni's are too strong here. Yeah, it made me, I realize this, even going to Korea

and I'm like, Combeini game, he compared to Japan? I don't know if I could, uh, I don't know if I could live here. And that Combinies compared to like Tesco or something. It's still fucking God tier. Yeah, but Japan companies are just on another level. A lot of people always like, when are you gonna move to LA Connor or something?

I'm like, no, I literally just can't leave Japan. It's too good. I like my life too much day by day by day. day. Are you uberies everything anyway, Connor? Yeah, but that's great. But I love walking around. It's great because we can always tell, I can, I can now tell how often Connor uses uberies, because we have a company card. Okay, I fixed it now.

We have a company card. And Connor did not realize that he was using his personal uberies orders on the company card. So what the fuck? I never agreed to this. Yeah, no, I reimburse you guys. I reimburse you guys, all right? I'm a man, my word, okay?

So I remember, I mean, give me this man free meals for me. No, no, I reimbursed it. I gave the money back. So I remember I was just chilling and I get this notification being like, you, your card has been charged for Uber. And I was like, wait, none of the boys are here.

I'm at home. Why, why? Who's using Uber right now? And I log onto the app that we all have and I scroll down and there's like five Uber East orders all marked to Connor five days in a row. And I'm like, Connor, what the fuck, mate? Yeah, our bosses suck. I love going out, he says.

No, I love walking around, but in terms of like meals, I still like, I still don't often, like, I wouldn't just stop at a place and eat. Normally, I've been walking a lot around lately. Even if it's like an hour and a half walk, I'm like, fuck, and I'll walk. Yeah. Because I love doing this now.

Yeah. I'll just walk to a place. And when I'm passing places that look cool, I'll look them up on Google. And I'll see the pictures of the food and how it is. And I'll be like, I'm saving this. that's been going here.

And then he goes home in order super eats. Yeah, I don't wanna eat out all the time, right? Because I wanna, like, so you eat out in. Yeah, well, it's salad. Most of the time I'm just fucking ordering a salad, it's boring, you know, it's a shame. I felt bad because I messaged Connor when he was like live on stream or some shit.

And I was like, yo, can you, I think you've been charging the company card for your, for your, all your free orders. Because I got the notification too. And I was like, shit. Like, yeah, I know. Yeah, he continues to play. There's nothing I could do at the moment,

you know, the burrito was coming. That's all good. It was a good burrito, though. So, it's the end of the year. You guys are ready for next year? No. I've not heard a single person say they're excited for 2024.

Just what is there to be excited about? Nothing. I mean, people were optimistic. I feel like COVID removed optimism for, like, hoping for the next new year. I think we're still recovering from COVID. I think we are. People are just, the world is not well,

It's not the same man. It's not the same. I mean, I feel like before people were more optimistic, but like, yeah, this year's gonna be my year. And I don't know if the world has got a lot more pessimistic, but I think the world has got more pessimistic. And especially after, you know, so many of them

had to experience the horrors of COVID, right? Like, you know, it's pretty, like, it's pretty difficult to just tell someone like, you know, you were locked in the house for like three and a half years, but it gets better. Don't worry. It's hard to believe for some people. There's two sides of this where it's like, all right,

if I'm like, if I was in school, right, during COVID, I get like two shit years of school, maybe three of like just schooling that is crap, because I'm on Zoom, right? And then maybe I graduate or something, especially if you're around graduating time, this is dreadful, you go to the workforce, like, oh, by the way, also your country,

everyone's getting old and you're gonna have to pay, like double the tax your elders paid, you can't afford a house, RIP. It's like, okay, well shit, I guess what is there to be excited for? Like I'm literally, told that it is gonna get worse for me. But on the other hand, I'm like,

GTA-6, though. Yeah, on the other hand, on the other hand, G-T-A-6, though. Pursota 3 Relo-Lo, though. Fucking hype games, hype TV shows, but then I can't even get excited about hype TV shows or games because there was the Riders Strike this year

and Actor Strike, so that in like four years we're gonna get like fucking lost season four and Prison Break Season 3 all over again where every TV gets suffered now because of the Rider Strike. So it's like, all right, well, great. So fucking not, there's like not a lot to look forward to. Yeah.

AI's getting worse. It's a pretty good time to be miserable if you were betting on that. I feel, okay, what do you think? Do you think there's gonna be a new tech fad next year? I swear to God, every year now, there is some new tech fad. AI is gonna be like the next big thing

for the next 10 years. AI is gonna like prevail. Yeah, it's gonna be the biggest. It's only gonna get bigger and more prevalent. I totally agree with that. But maybe like AR, potentially. Because like the year before, we had fucking NFTs. And she said,

Powering them back. That's my child, then. Yeah, like the year, like the year before last, was it like, I think it was last year, we had NFTs and then before that it was like Bitcoin. Then this year was like AI where people like losing that shit. I swear to God, like tech bros find a thing, a new thing to get excited about every single year.

I swear, it's gonna be like that AR shit, you know, after they, after Apple announced like those goggles. things like tech pros are going to be all over that and you're going to be like augmented reality is the future it's going to up our productivity it's going to make everything so you know safe for people blah blah and it's like it's just going to be another fad like it always has unless i'm wrong and this ages like milk but you know so far the track record hasn't been great you know people seen the same thing about nfts three years ago and look what happened to that yeah i mean the some of these ideas sound very exciting you know i i i think we just need to figure out what

the line is between what's ethical and what's not, because people are gonna use it either way, shape or form, right? Totally. Ah, it's the Apple Vision coming out next year? I think it's, when's it coming out? I think it's next year, right? Or it's 2025. Yeah, when's it coming out?

But that's just porn for rich people. You know what I mean? Mm. Early 204, yeah. Holy shit. I'm not paying 4K to watch porn. I'm just not. That's disgusting.

Well, you can do that with any fucking VR system, right? You can do that with an Oculus too. It doesn't need to be the- I tried watching porn in VR one time because I was interested to see how it was and I was like, this is a horrible experience. Yeah. This is like motion sickness meets blowjol.

It doesn't even look good either. No, it does. It's all like warped and shit, like... All right, I got, like, I got to ask, at which point does your mate come, like, come home with like a purchase? It does that, but also comes home with the purse. and you're like, all right, we gotta have a talk.

We gotta have an intervention here. Because I saw this tweet the other day. I'm gonna see if I can fight it, but it was like, it was this fucking owner hole that was basically, that was basically straight on to a jackhammer. That was almost like an auto jacker. Yeah, so it was like an autojacker that would just, that you would hold like you were, you,

they would hold handles and you would, it would fucking jackhammer your dick off. Right? And then the tweet was, woman be careful or something. Women like, women be aware. And at that point you gotta be like, all right, how far is too far, man?

How far do we have to go before you have to have an intervention? You know what? I respect that. I do the series where I review my viewers rooms, right? And somebody had like a bust. It was like a torso that had a hole at the bottom. It was like a torso of a woman that you could, you know, and do things to.

Yeah. And I think that's too far gone. Like, well, like, like here to here. Like here to like legs area. Oh, okay. So the hole was in the normal spot? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, okay.

So like you, it was like you would, you know, you were doing it. Yeah. But I felt like that's too far far. But it had no head, no arms. No, no, no, no. But I felt like that, like if you are having sex with that, you are, there's something wrong.

I don't see what's the problem with just using your hand, if I'm being honest, you know? But I feel like if you're buying that shit around it, I'm like, come on man. And like, we should be investing elsewhere. All right, I found the tweet. The tweet is I will forget you exist. And this, this.

No way. I've seen that before. You've seen that before? I've seen this treat. And there's a phone holder at the top. And there's a phone holder at the top. So you gotta, there is definitely no way I can show this on YouTube.

But yeah, it's- Can I show that? Can I show this? Yeah, I think you can show that. It's so good. All right, I guess I'll send you the link, Kai, for you to show. Moot on it.

Like I think like theoretically it's like, yeah, that stuff could work, but it's like when you buy shit like that or make that, you're like resigning yourself to, you're like, well, I'm just, this is gonna be my life. Yeah, pretty much. I mean, at that point, you will forget

that girls exist because, uh, girls can't provide that kind of same convenience as of this phone holder jackhammer that jacks you off at the same time. That's what the take pros are gonna be on next year. That's, that's the, That's the new thing we're gonna be scared of. It's just like the apocalypse is happening.

Birth rate is going down, humanity is going extinct, and there's nothing we can do about it. Because everyone's busy jacking off and everyone's gonna be one-uping each other being like, mine's got a six-piston, well mine's got an eight piss-piston. She's got a V8 in it. V8. V-Aid.

I'm gonna try this cheap. Mine's got a 4080 inside of it. Oh my God. Yeah, I don't know, honestly. Like I feel like the past couple of years when like, I guess the term tech bro especially was kind of starting to come into relevance in the mainstream, I guess.

Like I had no clue. Every single year, it was kind of a game for me to be like, what is it gonna be this time? And let's just say, I didn't see NFTs coming. I didn't see NFTs coming. No, I don't know. No, I called them making One Piece remake. I told, I said it on a podcast episode,

like they're gonna remake One Piece when they were done with One Piece. I said when they were done that. They're not even done with it. But I called they were gonna remake it and they did. Yeah. But they were, they jumped the fucking gun. Yeah.

They were like, fuck it, let's do it now. They got to capitalize on a while it's hot, right? But yeah, I think jacking off to a jackhammer, probably not good for your mental, even if, even if you're, I mean, I think your mental is a bit far gone. Even, you know, like, you shouldn't do that. If you, if you own a fucking fuckable doll at home, get rid of it. Get rid of it.

Just use your hand, bro. Please, for your own sake. Yeah. It's no different from watching. Yes, it is. You bought a human-sized fuck toy. It is very different. No, because even the Tenga video,

that we did, some of the contraptions that they like brought out for us. They're monetizing your loneliness. You're lonely and they are taking advantage of you by saying hey, look what you need. You know, because I see some of these contraptions and at that point it kind of just feels like you're just hacking the mind to find the most efficient way

to jack off. And unfortunately, if you've never been, you know, if you've never had a partner before, you know that, you know, sex isn't the most efficient thing of all time, you know. It actually takes a lot of work a lot of times. It's a workout.

It's two pumps for me, gone. I just have to look at a woman. Two pump and done, that's what they call me. Look into my eyes. Oh! Was that fucking Manwa, where he's like, the guy with like the cum touch? I can't remember the name of it.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck, what was the name of it again? Oh shit. It's my favorite mama. Oh, it's such a good manua. I can't remember it though. Yeah. Golden, not golden boy.

Golden boy. That's something else. Golden touch, I don't know. Yeah. But yeah, humanity is more and more fucked every year. Yeah, I can see why the older generation, like, you know, keeps repeating that. Yeah, but this has been like a phenomenon for centuries

where the previous generation deem the coming generation to be... Oh, for sure, but I feel like this time they're onto something. No, no. You feel like because it's your. Every generation felt like that, Joey. Yeah, there's literally like newspaper articles of like the early 1800s being like, these new generations have no manners.

They can't, they can't function in modern days. They're walking around showing ankle. Yeah, and then the next generation does the same thing. And this is a perpetual thing where obviously the new generation are gonna evolve, you know, and it's up for us to evolve. You mean grow up? No, evolve.

Like what they, what their tastes are? Like, like Pokemon? Yeah. Like what? Our dad wasn't jacking off. Human is evolving. I don't know what I mean? That's a new development.

Jack Hammers' phone holders. That's a new generation. They're evolving. But I will say, yes, you know, definitely every generation for the past couple of centuries have been saying that about the newer generations for sure. But I feel- No, you're falling into the trap, Joe.

Yeah, you are. Like we're the different one. The next one really is fucked. No, but like we were talking about like the, you know, lessening of optimism in the newer generation, right? That's true. how everyone is becoming more doom or issue.

Yeah, I think so. Like, has that happened in previous generations? Maybe not, maybe they have, but maybe not to the same extent as it is now, because we're running into- I actually feel like things like- Internet. We started that trend.

The teamers just kind of like, went with the depression trend and we were just like, actually we can do it better than you were saying, we ran so Jinzis could walk. I'm sure there was somebody in 1910. They were like, oh boy, gee, I can't wait to join the job market next year.

Boom, great depression. No jobs for you. Everyone is starving. Four years, three or four years, the shit lasts four. Yeah, I'm sure they would probably think, well, we had it fucking bad. Obviously, but like, you know, say for like our generation, right? Like millennials.

Yeah. Where we, was it so much of a common, like, idea between like people of our generation, I guess the newer generation to be like as like doomery or sad about our future compared to like this newer generation? Well, also we didn't have to fucking kill each other, you know? You talk to the older generation. and they went through fucking several world,

like several wars. And I'm not, I'm not comparing it to that. And like they look at our generation, I'm like, what the fuck do you have war with? Well, clearly. Yeah, clearly. But I'm talking about this newer generation now. Yeah, right?

Like the newest generation, like, why is there suddenly so much of a big shift? I think there's- What is fucked. I think there's just a lot more shared experience. And also, you know, there was definitely like houses were and stuff like that, house rent and whatnot. and whatnot, it was definitely rising like 20 years ago, but obviously that wasn't as many people talking about it online

and arguing about it. Also you have to bear in mind that like 20, 30 years ago, it was kind of seems like a bad thing to be like, I can't afford this? This might be, nowadays it's like, hey, can you also not afford rent? This might be completely anecdotal because I have no evidence to back this up.

But this is all pure speculation. Yeah, like for me, but I think just, just exists, Just existing has never been harder. Yeah. Just the act of existing, you know. Yeah. You know, maybe that you know that you had some bad times like the Great Depression,

obviously. Bad times. As we like to call it the Big Saj. Okay. We should have the Great Depression too. No, we shouldn't have that. We should call it something bad, not the Great Depression. The Big Saj.

Yeah, we call it the Big Saj. We have another one. We should. The Big Saj. We'll call the Big Saj. The Big Saj. The big sadge of the 2030s. It's a hundred year cycle.

When did they coin the term Great Depression? Was it during the time? Well, it was happening in the 30s, right? Well, this was like a good question of like, did they call it, because it was called the Great War, World War I, and they asked when did they start referring to it as World War I? And it wasn't until, I think, a lot long after. That was probably not until World War II, right?

But I think it was some time after as well. It wasn't immediately after. They weren't, like, I remember one, this was the sequel. Yeah. I think it was, there was a good video about it. I can't remember what it's called. Right. But I mean, that doesn't fucking matter.

It's stupid, stupid figuring out when shit was named. But like, I wonder, well, what are they gonna name? It's based on a book called The Great Depression by Hoover. Oh, okay. What are they gonna name COVID times, I reckon? When historians look back and think, COVID, that's, pandemic?

I don't know. This isn't the first pandemic we've been through though, right? This is the first global pandemic in a very long time. I mean, there was the black death as well, but that was only in Europe. That only wiped out like a third of, a third of humanity.

You can also remember that this is the first pandemic that's been available, this is very easily spread in the modern travel era where people can just get, like I can get to, I can be in Australia tomorrow. Yeah, it was kind of difficult to travel in the 13-00. You know, back then they, like, I think in like, in one of the wars there was like,

there was a kind of influenza that was wreaking havoc. Yeah. And, but that was local, to Europe at that time, right? Because there wasn't people like flying all over the fucking place, spreading it to their, like,

whoever and everyone. So yeah, it's, I mean, it's interesting. I think it's weird, because like, obviously we're in very good financial places, but I still feel like, holy shit, like, buying a house is still a hard thing to do. Oh yeah, it's scary. Which is like, oh my God,

when I look back at brochures, they're like, yeah, we'll ship you a house and you build it for $10,000, I'm like, what? It's a giant Lego set. Yeah, they used to sell made to order houses. They would just send you the parts, and you build it. This is the thing in America.

I thought it was crazy, that's so cool. We can't do that now. That's insane. Yeah, there's made to order houses that you could, that were in America. That's pre-fab, but I think that's all pretty come up. You could literally get sent and they would send you all the things in like crates

and you would presumably just build it. Oh my God, this is like IKEA nightmare mode. This is your final, this is your final boss. Male order. After this is where the Lego trend. I'm training up with the Legos and this is the final boss. Look at this mail order house.

It's beautiful. Yeah, that's a nice house. Holy shit. Obviously, even with inflation, it was still way more affordable than houses nowadays. Yeah, geez. It's crazy, though.

But that's back when everyone just, I guess, somehow knew how to build a house. Yeah. Oh yeah, it was $2,000 in 19 something. Which even with inflation, wouldn't come close to 19, 1960, 16. What's, what's $2,000 in 1916 in today's money? Could you have a look?

Two million. Just type it in. There's like calculators to tell you. No, I've been recommended more and more of just people living on the road in fucking vans and caravans and shit. That feels like a kind of subconscious struggle answer to this world we live in

where it's like, I can't fucking pay. 31,000 dollars. That's nothing. Yeah, holy shit. What the fuck? Cars are more expensive. Yeah, I mean, could you guys ever do that? Like, just pack up, okay, number one,

I find this concept pretty interesting because I don't know how many other countries you can get away with doing this, aside from America. Because it's funny, because I've actually met people that have done that life. When I went back to Wisconsin this year, Sydney's extended friendship circle

had like some new people join. And they had had a year, or maybe two years, just literally they sold everything they owned, put everything into a van, and just traveled the road and just lived on the road for two years. And after two years, they just, hit Wisconsin and we're like,

I think we've had enough traveling. Let's just, uh, just get an apartment here. That's badass. It's fucking badass, but holy shit, it made me realize how O.P. America is because I couldn't like, imagine like traveling, imagine, because- Yeah, yeah, imagine do that in England or some shit. Because they were like, yeah, we started off in like West Coast,

went up north, went all the way to Alaska for like a bit, like drove back down and I'm like, you drive through Canada as well. Yeah, I'm like, yo, that sounds fucking badass. I mean, we kind of, in a sense did like a light version of that on the US tour, right? Like we were in that bus for 50 days. I don't think I could do it.

And considering that I enjoyed the tour the most, I could probably do it. I like, I need to be stationary to do anything. Like I like having a zone. Yeah, a little save point where I'm like, this is where I like subconsciously, this is where I clock in and out of life. Right. I need that.

But wouldn't you say that that's the little personal van and personal vehicle that you have? No, because you're never truly stationary, right? You're always subject to someone else's rules, right? If you park in this place, all right, how can you park here or what can you do? Yeah, if you put it in the middle of fucking desert, okay, but then what if something goes wrong?

You know, what if you pop a tire in the middle of the fucking desert for some reason you're driving there. Oh no, there's so many factors. That's like city boy mentality all the way. Because I absolutely agree. Yeah, I would be terrified of shit. I care too much about everything that could go wrong

and I think you have, you cannot care about shit going wrong if you want to live that lifestyle. Yeah. You need to like almost disregard, oh, how am I gonna shower? How am I gonna do laundry? Like, I'm sure then they work it out, right?

Cause they're like, but to me, I wouldn't even wanna embark on this unless I figured it all out. And I wouldn't even wanna go on it unless I figured out the route, which is like psychotic and I just can't do it. And I just, like to me it wouldn't. Yeah. So you don't have a manly urge

to drop everything and just build a cabin in the woods and just fucking survive on the wilderness. Be kidding me? I will love to do that. The most thing I'm doing when I retire, bro. I like too many of the modern comforts. I'm only human, I like a lot of them. And I, that's how it is.

And I think there's nothing wrong with that. No, no, there's totally nothing wrong about. I fucking love a good meal and I love a good coffee. That's what matters most of me. Ain't nothing wrong with that, dog? That's nothing wrong with that as well. But the more I go, the more I grow older,

the more I'm like, yeah, that manly urge is real. I don't know if it's an actual manly urge, but it's just an urge. I just really want to do it. Is that also an urge that you want to have that life or that you are, you are not content with what is coming happening in life and the cycle you're in. No, I think it's more so like I am,

I'm very much, you know, the urge is in the future for me. Like I, I am completely content with my life now and I'm very happy with where I am now in my life and I would like to continue it for as long as possible, but I know there's gonna be a point where I'm probably gonna hit a wall where I'm just like, I need some change in my life. Cheese, you know, or cheese, you know? Or cheese.

You know, I need some change in my life, I need some kind of radical change in my life, whether it be for my mental health or whether it be just like, if I'm still, doing a creative job, you know, it's always a nice change of pace to, like, switch your environment.

It's just nice, I don't know, I like the thought of just removing all complexities from your life. I mean, I guess I've done it once before, but that was like a very, very extreme version of just removing all external complexities. This is kind of like a lighter version where you're kind of just doing your own thing,

you're living to, you're just living, you're just living out there. I'd be happy like camping for a month. It'd be fun. Yeah. Would you? Yeah, the joy I get from making a fire and cooking a meal on that fire. Yeah, but think about it, if you lived in a van,

you could do that anywhere you want whenever you want. Yeah, but. As long as you're not in someone's backyard, you can do that wherever you want. Bro, does that sound awesome? America has so much land, right? Yeah, fuck yeah. Yeah, yeah.

But I'm like, okay, I'd rather just travel around it and I don't know. When I see these van videos, sometimes it makes me depressed. Why? Because I look at it and I'm like, like, wow. You don't have an espresso machine,

you pour thing. You can install one in the van. That's the first thing you can do. Some of them look a lot better than others, but sometimes someone will show their van. And it's like, it just looks really sad. I mean, also looks lonely. Okay, there are different levels.

Like I've also, I've also seen- Justin Bieber's tour bus. That's, see, that's where I'm like, all right, let's do this, let's do this van. Like, can you show Justin Bieber's custom tour bus? This is where I can do the van, right? This is like, and that's not a, But I saw this one where this woman had to like,

she was like, I'm gonna shower now. What the fuck? Jesus Christ. I think I could do the video. That's a hotel room, huh? Yeah, that's a moving hotel room. Yeah, I can do the van life. Oh, if it was this, I could leave in that

for the rest of my life. Like, there's like so many levels to where, but it's basically what you're comfortable with because I like, I've been recommended every level, which includes just guys who are living out of their cars in New York. Living out of their mini-coup. No, no, no.

like literally just living out of their cars. And he's like, here's my apartment tour. And like, I think my favorite comment is just like, motherfuckers will be homeless in New York but be like, but the food is really good though. That's true. Motherfuckers will literally live out with shoebox pay three K for red,

but be like- You know what you're fucking telling about their water. I don't give a fuck about your water and why it makes bread taste better. It's not fucking telling me. No one cares about your fucking water. I haven't heard about this New York water thing. Oh my God.

If you talk to New York, they don't shut the fuck up about it. You're like, New York is like, we got the best bread in all of America. I'm like, it's not that good. It's, you think it's better than it is. And like, no, no, our water is scientifically proved. It's the best water in all this. And it's like, no, I don't think so.

I disagree. I think it's scientifically. And I'm like, I, I, have you been to Europe? No, but New York, we got that. It's like, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up. Did you notice this when we're in New York? We'll never shut up by that damn water and why makes bread taste perfect.

I never heard a New York talking about their water. Maybe I got a larky. Oh, I find it charming. I summoned them in the comments. No, I found it charming at first, Garland. Yeah. Until you literally can't tell them their bread is not the best in the world.

They won't take it, Khan. It's like getting New Hongo Josu, bro. It's charming at first, and then it gets fucking annoying. You can't tell them that their bread's not the best in the world. They lose it. They like, they like self-destruct. Rage. We got the delis though.

I don't know, you go to a lot of parts in America, and some parts are more like the others. New York is one of the cities that I think has its own kind of culture, which I think, which I think it has a real unique identity to it, which is more than I can say for a lot of cities in America, which is something I really, really respect about New York and New Yorkers as well, which is like an identity, you know?

I kind of like dig that. Okay, but like do you think that the whole van life stuff, because I, there's so many very, van life influences, which my brother's actually been inspired by. Oh, yeah? He's got his own van. Oh, shit. And he travels around.

It's fine. It's nice. It's cozy. Dude, my dream car is a combi van. Oh, really? Yeah, Volkswagen combi van. I really want one. I don't know what he has.

But it's good. And for him, it was like, okay, well, he'll work on it a bunch, but my dad help mostly. Yeah. But if I tell him that, he'll get annoyed, but it's true. But like, for him, it's like, okay, that's more of a like, okay, we live in this place, we have a good time. and then maybe we do like week long trips in this thing. Yeah.

And for that, I was like, that sounds like a really healthy way. But when I'm like, you're living out of it, and then I see some of these videos, I'm like, is this just like, I don't know, does it feel like the last option? It's like, I don't know what to do. Like I'm, to me, some of these, some of these videos just felt really sad

when I watched them. Why sad? Because they just look lonely. They look so lonely. Maybe people like that, maybe they like solidarity. And this one video, this one person, they even said that they were like, yeah, the hardest thing

about doing van life is, you know, it's the fact that you don't really get to talk with people or meet with people because you're always in a new place. But look, I installed the new shower in my van and I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. But it's not, but like- Glossed over the most important pressing factor

of you living in a van. Maybe it's my perspective, but I have always looked at these like, people who live out of these vans and go traveling the country or the world or whatever. I've always seen it as like, well, isn't the point to like living in a van

so that you can go see these new places and meet these new people? Like, isn't the social aspect really tied in with your lifestyle. Yeah, but I guess some people, maybe they didn't think about, because a lot of people never think about social life or being social. It's always an afterthought for everyone.

Right. Well, yeah, maybe they jumped on the van life. They were like, I'm just gonna fucking van everyone. Yeah, maybe they, we have wrong intentions. How do I maintain friendships here? Yeah, how do I have like a existence? Because ultimately we're all human and we all need to have friendships.

Yeah, we're social creatures, even the most, like, even the biggest introverts will crave social interaction every now and again because that is just how we survived and how we've evolved and how our brains are wired. I couldn't break it apart. That's fine. You know, it's, it's a, and that to me would be the biggest thing that I miss

is like how the fuck do I have any meaningful conversations or connections people while I'm in a van? Yeah, discord. I'm not in the same place. But that's like, why wouldn't I just stay home? Yeah, but you can travel the world and also sometimes, you know, I know it's not a big deal,

but I feel bad when some of the van people, I saw this dude at like three pets And I was like, I'm like, maybe you shouldn't have three pets in a van. I'm like, I know, I know you can start. I don't know the pets get to, uh, going to fucking adventures. But I'm like, man, I feel bad when. It depends what kind of pet as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, if it's a fucking, if it's three dogs, then I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Yeah, yeah, but I guess it also depends on type of dog as well. Yeah. All right, going back to the generational thing. All right, I had a thought. Did you think every generation is destined to get more horny than the previous generation.

Do you know what made me think this? So I was like, the internet. Not just the internet, but, so I had, I was like on a trip and we had like a night where we were watching like the biggest hits of the 2000s, whatever and a video of tattoo came on. Do you remember tattoo? Yeah, fuck yeah.

Or the things she said. Yeah, I fucking love that song. Do you remember how much of a shitstorm it caused? because it just had two like girls in rain, like making out. Yeah. And everyone's like, oh, this is the shit, holy shit.

And parents were like, no, this, we can't show this to the children. It's too sexualized, it's too edgy. I don't remember this at all. It might have, they were huge in Japan. Yeah, it might have been just before, like just before. Two Russian girls, right?

Yeah, yeah, two Russian girls. Like, it was massive for me when it came out. And I, it came, on and then I remember looking at it, I'm like, fuck, this is Tema's shit, man. This is this. Well, even like a little bit after that, right, like when we were growing up, like, I remember being, you know, fucking, I remember how old I was. It was definitely before I hit puberty.

And you watch fucking Christina Aguilera music videos and you're just like, God damn. Like, I don't want my parents walking in on me on this. All right. Then I think there's a very important question to ask to help answer your question. Yeah. Which is, do you think people are born? with weird kinks or is it something that you're introduced to and you're like, oh.

I think it's all about introduction, right? You think so? Do you think that like, if you were a feet person? Yeah. Oh, I guess feet doesn't count, because you don't always see feet, but if you were in a sort of weird, like, I don't know, what's a weird fetish?

Armpits. No, you'd see that a lot. You see armpits, like something you wouldn't see naturally. You know who's into armpits now. No, but like, is it like, you see armpits? Yeah, armpits on it? Oh, yeah, guys, I was gonna do that. this or a way.

You could easily, if you were like a medieval peasant, right, you were in like, you were in 800, you could easily see a woman open up a thing, you'll actually, hold on a second, I fucking fuck with the armpits, but like you would never be introduced to like cucking, right? Unless maybe it happened to you and you were like, hold on.

But like the normal person would not- I don't know, man, you're in Japan. Yeah, the normal person would not be introduced like NTR, right? Sure, sure. Most, most people, okay, so I'm sure there's some situation. Yeah.

Most people wouldn't be introduced NTR, right? Yeah. So the theory is that would you have been born being like I am gonna like NTR at some point? Or is it like I have to then show you and then you're like, huh? I don't even think it's about showing.

I think it's just about like the number of stimuli that you are subject to growing up all just kind of combined together into like clicking to be like, oh, I like this thing. So then. So like, okay look, because hypothetically think about it, if there was a person who was born, right? And they spent their entire like first 18,

He comes out with the mother's vagina. He's like, Mama, I am a cuck. Do you know what your first words were? Cuck. Cuck, say, say, say, say, say, say, say, Cuck. N, NTR. No, okay, like, let's think about it's hyperthetically.

If there was a child who was born, right? Yeah, no way. For the first. A Japan, impossible. Yeah, not in Japan. Let's say Europe. You know, they were born, and for the first, let's say, 20 years,

they were born in a room, and they spent their entire higher lifetime in a room which has like little to no stimuli. Right? Like nothing in their room like, you know, bare minimum human interaction that is deemed as normal, like no access to the internet, anything of that kind of stuff. Do you think they'll be able to develop fetishes from that? I don't think they would have mental capacity to function.

So we answer your question. I think there is, you might be born with like maybe some brain chemicals, like leaning towards maybe taking in certain things. stimuli that will let you need you into that? So then we answer Gant's question then. Because Gantz said, is the next generation? No, I think, I just think the current generation is exposed to a lot more concepts.

Yeah. And especially with the internet. Porn is very easily accessible now. And you know, back in the day, even like 20 years ago, you had to go to a fucking store and buy it. And even if you opened up, like, Playboy magazines, like 10, 20 years ago, like, you wouldn't see fucking NCR. You wouldn't see, like, you wouldn't see,

like, you wouldn't see, like, so I feel like it was more of a joined, like, it was more of a communal thing. where you're like, did you see the Playboy, you know, did you see the X model who is the hottest, right? Whereas now it's like, what are you into? And someone's like, oh, I like getting shot on.

You're like, okay. Oh, okay. That's, uh, and to you, because you've had no exposure. We don't king shame. You had no exposure to that. You're like, that's fucking disgusting. Why would you do that? Well, I hear me, it's like,

he's exposed and then been, I think that's also as a result of the fact that now like the internet is just like. We are not ready for the internet. Well, that's the thing. We have been fucked. I agree with me. Because people go on the internet

and now we're so, that the stuff that we deemed is like fucked up 10, 20 years ago is just like normalized now. So people are just looking for the next thing. Do you think by the time we die, there'll be studies like showing that the internet was just like, we just fucking weren't ready

for the internet, like, broke off social structure. I think there are probably studies that have already done that. I think it would be more helpful when it's like we're all dead said and done. You know what I mean? When it's, you know, well, they can really sit back and look,

ah, the whole life, okay, let's have a look, see, see, what happened with? on the internet. So how did it come to him liking NTR? Let's find out. Let's dissect this brain. I'm curious.

I mean, I don't even think NTR, like, I saw another tweet where it was just this fetish of this person. I don't know if it was a guy or a girl, just in like full latex, just getting vacuumed. To, uh, have you seen that? And I see that and I'm just like, It seems like euphoric.

How do you even, like where does this even come from? Like, bro, that has to start with a porn addiction, right? Because here's the thing. I think some people see like outfits and they're like, oh, that's fucking hot. Yeah, here's the thing. Like some things I can cut, like I have a theory that's, you know, most fetches come from maybe how we were raised,

something to do with like what we experienced. Most of the time, I have a theory that we were probably like forbidden to like this kind of stuff or we were told this thing is bad. So like mentally we, we know this thing is bad and that's why it kind of... It says porn does so well. Yeah, that's true. It's a, it's the ultimate taboo. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I think for some people, breaking taboos is inherently attractive. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I think that's where a lot of fetishes start, you know? Um, being vacuumed in a latex

suit, I'm like, how many, you're missing the steps. How many later... I can connect the taboo dots. I can't connect the vacuum sucked up, right? Also, I imagine, I don't even know if that's tab. I imagine like back in the day, the only people who could afford to indulge in fucked up kinks were like ultra wealthy, like landlords. They were like, well, my thing is that I love people being maimed or something.

Well, I love people being branded. That's my king, right? You know, and so back then it was, you know, it's probably unlimited to like people who had money. Yeah. I think like peasants were like, well, shit, I'm just trying to get by. I'm just trying to get by.

I'm just trying to get some food. I think fetishes are privileges? No, no, I think they are. Fetishes are privilege. Okay, just think about the latex. The latex suit. How much is a latex suit? Yeah, think about that for a second.

The three times are you able to hook that up. Yeah. You need to like probably 3D print. You need to either learn to learn like to the free, 3D print a device to be able to vacuum yourself or someone has gone out and designed that for you, which you must have paid a premium fucking price. Buying a fucking doll.

Yeah. A doll that you can fuck is extremely. Yeah, I-I- And God forbid, we already know how much furies, like, spend on furry suit. They're fucking funding the economy by themselves. I hate how much this makes sense. You know, I can see why this generation feels like they're doomed when we hear about this kind of shit. It's just like wine, you know? Wine is a very expensive hobby, as is jacking off sometimes. When society has gone down and everyone is homeless, it'll be the furries having the last laugh because they'll be the last group of people with money. I swear to God. They have all the money. They control the money. They do. They do.

We can make it through the harsh winter in our suits. You know, furry, fur-st-most part. Yeah. They're sleeping good. When we have the Great Depression part two, all we're going to see on the streets with people in fur suits, man, because that's the only people

with money left in the world. That's all I'm saying, man. Every furry and that, they've been pretty chill as well. Yeah, they've been very chill. Every furry of Matt has been like the chillest dudes. They've been very chill. And they have also,

So normally been very financially well off as well. Yeah. To afford the hobby that they do. Which- They prop up the artist sphere online. Yeah. It's a well-documented phenomenon. Jesus Christ.

Maybe like, like, with the overexposure of the internet and with the over-exposure of new things, I feel like with this fucking latex suit, there must be- Why are you so obsessed with this latex suit, you can't? Because it sounds absurd.

Do you want a latex suit for your birthday? No, I'm just, I just want to know. You say yes, we're ending the podcast. Really? I'm all helping. I wanna see where it goes. I'm just genuinely curious what the steps are. Right. Like genuinely.

It's like that famous video of the guy, like who bought like the full latex like dog suit, right? And like, and like acts like a dog. He like sleeps in a giant dog agent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like a British guy, I think. Okay, first of all, I took offense to that. Probably English, first of all.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, my bad, my bad. Wasn't that guy in Japan that wanted to be a dog? So he spent... I mean, that's the least weird thing in Japan when it comes to fetishes, bro. There was a dude who married a Hudson Emiku fucking body pillow as well. He married the DS as well.

He married the DS as well. It's cool that we're like open to cool things like that but also at the same time, you shouldn't do that. You should not marry a DS. Yeah. I just think that that's a bad idea. We shouldn't be congratulating it. Yeah, we shouldn't be rewarding behavior like that.

Ultimately, like, I think it's funny and like it's, it makes it very good BuzzFeed article, but that's about it. I mean, I would prefer that you just be asexual at that point, you know, because I can kind of vibe with that. I can understand that. If, you know, some people are just wired that way. If you are falling in love with a DS,

I see that as something that you're replacing an inanimate object. Asexuality, is not, doesn't mean the lack of romance there. So they still, you know, you start being a relationship. You just might not be physical in it. So, you know, whereas a DS you can't have either. So you just- Well, I see the DS is you're replacing something

that you couldn't get, you know, because- It's tough, right? Because I guess how do you, how do you, like, if Joey comes to us tomorrow and he's like, guys, I've fallen in love with my PSP VDA. First of all, great choice of console to fall in love with. Second of all. Also, it's called a PSV.

You're not. Yeah, it is. PSVita? Yeah, they do amazing games on it. What are you doing? Like what? All those amazing exclusives that were only on the PSVD.

Well, 90% of them never came out of Japan. Yeah, outside of Japan. Yeah, outside of Japan. Yeah, it was a great console. And Japan fucking used it until like five years ago. Yeah. It was the only country. Point being, I'm so PSPVita, sorry, PSV to sorry,

Joe, to insult you and your wife. I think I'd be like, hey, Jerry, what's going on? Like, I wouldn't be like, dude, that's cool. I'm progressive. I'm like, no, Jerry, what's wrong? Like, there's something's gone wrong here. Yeah. And I, you know, I think that's fair.

And we shouldn't be like, yeah, yes to everything. I think sometimes we should be like, wait, hold on a second. No. Yeah. Don't, this is a terrible, what has happened, Jerry? Can you please think about this? Can you talk to us? Yeah. Tell me what happened. Yeah.

And if you don't have that in your life, then there's another, there's an even bigger problem going on. Where were that dude's friends when he married the DS? Genuine question. What's friends? Yeah, exactly. Who stopped him? Who was like, hey man, I really think this might not be a good idea. Or do you think his friends would

stopped him when his parents were like, first of all, he loves him. This is presuming that this was a legit thing and not like some kind of publicity stunt. It's a publicity sound, whatever. But if it is a real thing, apparently it was legit. Okay, well that's- Like he went to the ward office and signed papers and shit.

Oh my God. And they did it? Yeah. That's crazy they would let a man marry DS but not let two gays marry. That's, I mean, that's what I'm gonna say. That's crazy you can marry DS. That's why society's doomed, brother. Yeah.

Um, I don't have anything to add on to that man. That's just a fucking bombshell and I'm just like, yeah. No, there's no way he legally got married. There must have been a ceremony. There's no way he legally, I don't believe, Guy, get on it. Guy, guy.

Guy behind computer. Look it up. Gabby's man has married a character in a popular video game taking her and his handheld game console on an overseas honeymoon. There's no way it's a real marriage. I think it must just be,

like a public son. A fourth picture. Why does it look like young Proz E.D. in that one picture. Oh my God, he talks. On the one on the fourth one. You know what I mean? There's like a posy-dee fake character

in one of his skits. Yeah, where is the news on that? But at which point are you just like, you know, I'm happy. And there's the guy who married the body pillar. At which point are you just like, you know what? I'm happy that you're happy.

You know, like where'd you draw the line in that, I guess? I draw the line when it's a Nintendo console. You know? I mean, that's where I draw the line. Did whoever owns Hatsunemy Kyiu have to sign off on the marriage? Well, I think in the case of the DS one, it wasn't Hatsunemika.

It was a, oh yeah, it was a character from a dating simulator called Love Plus. Yeah. Because it was one of the first dating sims that was kind of AR technology, because with the DS, I think you had like a GPS or something. And you could literally take this virtual... Well, I had the camera on it, right? Yeah, yeah. You could literally take this virtual girl on and it was one of the very first of its kind.

Maybe, I don't know why I'm so diverse to the idea. Honestly, like, I reckon if I was the developer of that like visual novel, I would have absolutely been on board with it because that is amazing promotion for the game. I'm so torn because at the same time, what if the guy's happy? Like, if he's genuinely happy, what can I, like, is there a reason why he shouldn't do it? I'm so torn.

Yeah. I'm like, you shouldn't be allowed to do this. No, I don't really. If he's really happy and that made him happy, who am I to rob that man of his head? happiness. Yeah, but there's other ways to be happy, you know? Yeah. That are not like impossible to obtain. But then I think about like, some friends I have where they, where I think they're happy and they drink, but I'm like, I think they could be happy other way. It seems to be that drinking is what makes them happy right now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really torn. Like, you are entitled to

your happiness. Yeah. Sure. Oh, yeah, of course. But is that happiness, like, to a self-naturalment almost. Like, is that, you know, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, he looks fucking happy in that picture. That's very happy. That's not love. That was 2020 as well. That's years later. I remember, I remember this adverts. You must be just going along with it. No shot, bro. I don't believe it. I don't believe it's real. I don't, no way.

Did you see that Tinder added a pay to win function now? $500 a month. $500. Yeah. If you are paying $500 for Tinder, you all have lost. Actually, I think I'd rather get you like, marry you your TV. This is like the different tiers now. If I knew, if I knew my friend was paying for the that Tinder premium, I'm buying him a DS. I'll be like, yo bro, I got this new girl, I swear down.

And you know, that proves to a fact that Tinder does not give a single fuck. And not they have, but they always, they always use this veil of like, we actually, you know, we have had success stories. Yeah. I fully believe Tinder has some success stories. But you know. Some. Oh, no, no.

I have a friend from high school who married his Tinder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's definitely people who, you know, and they use those stories as like, look, we are offering a valuable function. And at times they do, but then they pull shit like this and other stuff that they've done in the past where they've made it so that like, you straight up just, if you are an undesirable man,

you just won't be matched with anyone. Yeah. Because your score is, your in-app score is too low. That's so fucked up. And then offering $500 to me is, is symbolizing and willing to take advantage of people who are so desperate to meet someone else. It's not like this guy who's found out of the ass

he's happy, you are actively taking of the loneliest people with money to burn. Because any single person on earth that you meet up with, if you tell them you spent $500 on Tinder, immediately unattractive. There's no one on earth who's gonna find that attractive. Totally.

I bet those dues are the type of the data that'll ask to split the bill anyway. But the point being, is you're just wasting $500 a month to be lonely. It's such a fucking awful idea. And it's fucking embarrassing. I hope that they don't actually do it. And I hope it's just a publicist.

Yeah, please don't do it. Like this, you don't, the sad thing is, I don't think it is a publicity stunt. I think they just want to make money. It's, I think for them, it's a legit business move, which I think unfortunately is going to work. They've obviously done research before launching something like this. They've obviously identified a market for this,

and, you know, a lot of people are clowning on it, but I think those people who are clowning on it were never going to be part of their target audience anyway. Yeah, you know? that is a very specific target audience. And I think, honestly, there is a market for it. It's just now, it's just out there in the open. There's always been a market for it for people

who want to find partners who have a lot of money and partners who are willing to pay for that. When I first moved to Japan, I had Tinder premium, which allowed you to like Unlimited. Because I was just lonely. I just wanted to meet someone. Oh yeah, because there was a limit to how many. There's a limit, right?

And to me, I was just like, I just want to have the highest chance it's possible of being able to fucking meet up with someone, right? Sure. Yeah. And then I realized they, what they do is they constantly dangle ahead of you, they're like, wait, but like, if you had this feature, I'm pretty sure we can get you someone. You are not a high enough rank.

Yeah, but I was never gonna do it because I was like, I'm already paying five fucking dollars a month, fuck you. Yeah, I'm not giving you any more fucking money. And they would just dangle these things in front of you and they would add these superficial features that just did not help. Just straight up just did not help. and you know, Tinder has proven if you are of a certain desirability

you will just not have success on Tinder because you're, you know, the app is figured out that no one wants to fucking date you on your profile for whatever reason. And no amount of money is gonna solve that problem. So you know, it's just cruel. It's so cruel. It's, yeah, they're taking money

to give you the illusion that you still have a chance. Yeah, it's just fucked up. And not to mention all the first. fake profiles and stuff like that. Yeah. I very quickly gave up on Tinder in Japan because I was like fuck this is stupid. What do you guys think of the whole like pickup artist? Have you out of like the whole pickup artist community?

There's a community for that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's also a guy who's married who's a pickup artist and there's one video where he made his wife watch his videos with him. Are you serious? It was the most painful video I've ever seen in my life.

What's wrong with people? Yeah, it was, I think Charlie did a video about it And it was horrible to watch. Wait, so explain this like pick up artist community to me. So it's a community of men, basically. Of men. It's kind of an offshoot of, let's say, the guru community that I think there's like, you know,

they have like the financial bros, you have the crypto bros. Five ways to please a woman. Yeah, now you have like the, now you have like the pick up artist community, which is kind of that same kind of guru structure, but for lonely guys who want to learn how to- So what, did they just like teach you pick-up lines?

They teach you how to be aggressive towards women normally. These dudes are just aggressive. And you know, if you cast- Oh, women love that. If you cast the net out wide enough, you're bound to have some success, right? That's, you know, I wanna see a pickup artist in that community that just like teachers,

dudes like just terrible pickup lines, it just never worked. All of them, all of them do that. So, hey, yeah, a lot of, Are you from Tennessee? Because you're the only 10 I see her? of them are like, hey, buy my course. Yeah, a lot of them are just like,

here, let me show you how to pick up 10 girls and get a number 90% success rate or something like that. I call this the infinite pussy glitch. A lot of these guys who are making these videos are conventionally very attractive. So you already, the easiest thing that you can do to increase your chances of landing a date

or a pickup is be fucking hot. Yeah, most of us are. You know, that's not how it works. Yeah. You know, the reason why these fucking shitty corn, if a guy who was not attractive and a guy who was very attractive, said the same cheesy pickup line,

there's gonna be two very different results. Yeah, I need to see a pickup artist who is, oh, go. And then I'll be more convinced. It's called $10 to $500 a month. Yeah. Can you go about what I do is swipe crazy. No, I get, okay, the reason I bring this up, right?

Is because I wanna play devil's advocate, right? Okay, because. You think men need it? Huh? We need this. I think, okay. Okay, I, I guess I've never talked about this before, but. You need it. Huh? You needed a pickup artist in your darkest tower.

Hell yeah, I did. I, um, okay, so like, I think the whole like epidemic, pandemic or whatever of like the loneliness, like especially lonely men, I think, I think a big problem is that a lot of guys who, let's say, are in the same situation as, you know, marrying a DS, or getting attracted to, or getting very, very addicted to porn or getting, uh,

having so much emotional connection to fictional girls or like pay to win. There's so many different ways to offset your loneliness because at the end of the day, it's easier to do that than it is to learn how to not be lonely, right? And there is, there was like, there was like literally a book that changed my life. Uh, and it was called,

The Game by Neil Strauss. And it is literally a book about some, like, uh, an author, uh, a writer who found himself in the pickup artist community. Uh, and I believe he's done a lot of like fucking terrible things now. I don't know what he's done nowadays. I know he doesn't have the best kind of like reputation now. But at that time when I was about 16, 17, 17 when I discovered this book, um, seeing this like story told about the whole pickup artist community and,

or the techniques that they use and everything like that. What I got out of it was, at the time, I was just a fucking lonely ass guy who did not know how to socialize. And reading that book, it didn't make me fucking aggressive towards girls or anything like that. It just gave me some like training wheels to work with to overcome.

What kind of tips do you feel helped to you? Kind of concepts. Ah, just kind of like icebreakers. To like, how do you open up a conversation without coming up. And not sound creepy. Yeah, yeah. How'd you open up a conversation

and not sound like a complete asshole or a complete creep. Cause I didn't fucking know how to do that. Fucking Japan. Yeah, that's the thing, right? This country needs that. That's the thing. And like I started off like my university life kind of like going around this,

some of like the things that I had read from this book, not as like a complete Bible, but it's just as a, I don't know what to do in this situation. So let me just follow the fucking flow chart of social interaction to see, to give me like the training wheels. And then from that, That, after I just experienced the real world,

that's what gave me the training wheels to really learn how to socialize. So like, I fucking empathize with a lot of lonely guys out there because I was fucking, I was that guy, you know? I did not know how to go out basic social situations. Okay, but here's a question then. If the $500 Tinder thing had come out when you were in that lonely period,

when you were 16, 17, would you- seeming I was rich? Assuming you had infinite money glitch, would you have done it? Fuck now. Fuck no. It's like pain for poor. I'm asking you on.

I don't know, loneliness is fucking painful, man. Holy shit. That's why I'm asking this hypothetical. Hypothetically, I would like to say that if I were, let's say, rich, but I was fucking lonely-ish shit. If you could afford it. Yeah, if I could afford it. I would like to think I was a better, I would be a better man,

but I've been in some, like, I've been in some fucking dark places in my life. I cannot hold my hand on heart say, yeah, I'm, guys, I would be above this shit, you know? I would be above all of the fucking things that we clown on because holy shit, there is nothing more like depressing than being starved of human connection. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. And if you have no one to fucking judge you on your actions,

what the fuck are you gonna care about, right? That's true. Yeah, that's exactly what this is marketed to. Yeah, yeah. When I see a lot of these guys who get very angry online, or very, um, what's the word? Jaded? Jaded, like interacting.

Normally with men approaching women. Yeah, yeah. It's like, 90% of the time when I see these dudes who feel burnt and I have, for whatever reason you can see how they interact with women, you're like, oh my God, you're just, you just approached a random woman

and just started trying to like, you didn't come into this with the same level of interest. Like you immediately are way more into this person than they are into you. Yeah. And you've got to recognize that energy difference. You got to recognize that like, you're on a different level here

and you've won, you flat out just shouldn't approach random people a lot of the time. It doesn't work. That's not how life works. You cannot just see someone who's attractive and approach them. Sure, for some people it might work occasionally,

but most people don't fucking do that. Which is why I don't get in Japan the whole Nampa culture. What's the Nampa culture? Nampa, it's basically like pickup artists, but in Japan, but like you see, if you go to like Shibuya or Shinjuku any like big city late at night, you'll see these like pretty young looking dudes,

like probably, you know, in their 20s, just fucking walking up to women and being like, Oneessa, do you wanna go hang out? Do you want to go play? I'm like, no you fucking creepo. Like no woman with any self-respect is gonna be like, oh yes, random creepy dude that I have no idea about. I'm gonna go along and fucking hang out with you.

Yeah. And I'm like, I look at these guys, and they're doing it like inside trains and like at the train station, out in the street, in stores and stuff like that. And I'm like, when does that ever work? Especially in a country like Japan, where stranger friendliness is close to zero.

Yeah, exactly. I'm like, what are you doing? You're wasting your time. And you're making yourself look like an idiot. I think a lot of dudes don't know when to quit. That's a really, really important thing when you're talking to someone is knowing when you're like, you've clearly.

I'm inconvenient. You're inconvenient or you've gone too far or maybe you're making someone slightly uncomfortable. You can tell they're not interested. Yeah. And that's okay. If someone's not interested in talking to you, that is a human thing that everyone is entitled. Plenty of fish in the sea, bro, don't worry.

Well, this is why people get so annoyed. Even if it's like friendship. It's like, you are not entitled to someone's friendship. You're not entitled to someone's time. You're not entitled to someone's capacity. For sure. And I get really frustrated when I see this online when dudes are like, oh, that fucking woman

didn't want to talk to me. It's like, well, yeah, she didn't have to. You approach her. She doesn't know you anything. You are not entitled to this. You know what is entirely. And it is a very attractive trait to be like, ah, this person is clearly not viving with me.

I'm gonna remove myself in the situation because I'm clearly not very welcome in the situation, just get out of it. And that's one of the most beneficial you can do as a human being, is being able to read that energy, being like, okay, I'm clearly- You're saving their time,

you're saving your own time. I'm clearly like, I'm not, I'm done here. This is like, and it's okay, you didn't fuck up. Yeah, it's fine. You don't have to be friends with everyone. You didn't, it's not a slide on you. You are taking, don't fucking get like your pride get in the way.

It's okay to sometimes like not be in the correct vibe. Yeah, I think, I think honestly a lot of, a lot of the example of these guys, unfortunately they just has, they just have not had the right role model to like teach them what the boundaries are, what's like acceptable or like not acceptable because a lot of people are fucking lonely,

but not everyone who's lonely is also an asshole and doesn't know what boundaries are, right? Yeah. And yeah, it's just- I think it's a small minority that are these assholes. Yeah, unfortunately, it's the most vocal and the ones that get a lot of attention. I mean, it's not just that, it's just like,

there's a lot of assholes you see on, especially like, not just like pickup artists, but what's the latest thing? Like, what's the latest thing? Like, door-to-door salesmen and shit like that as well. Wait, what? What? Daughter or salesmen are fucking floating.

They're back now on TikTok. Yeah, they're back. They're selling like solar panels or other stuff and like there's dudes who are like, do not leave the property unless you've asked eight times at that door. That's harassment. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

What the fuck? Yeah, it's like, they're just like, they're like, the concept is and this happens in relationships or sales or whatever it is, it's like overwhelm someone to the extent where they physically, they don't know what else to do other than to cave into what you say. Yeah.

And that's like the whole concept behind all of these or if you pick up, so, don't order salesmen should be so intense, so assholy that they have- They can't say no. That they're like, they feel the only recourse is to then agree to whatever is the fuck you're trying to do. Like, okay, fine, fine, fuck it, I'll buy your fucking solar pounds, fuck off.

Yeah. It's insane what the culture is like. That's insane, yeah. Yeah, again, probably someone's selling a course on how to, fuck's sake, why are there so many people selling courses? Because courses, because it's easy to do it. Courses is a fantastic way of milking someone for money.

You can be like, by step one, by step two. Yeah. Ooh, you're nearly at the best club right now. You're nearly at the top tier. It's a trick as all this time. Fucking, look at religion. You know, there's a very, very famous religion that I won't say, because we don't want to get season to this,

but that always does it. That always does this. They're like, oh, but you need to pay $50,000 for the reading material. It's go to the next level. Yeah, courses are easy for a lot of people because you're making a profit without actually delivering or selling anything physical. They learned from the best universities.

At the end of the day. Salm the books, the $200. Bro, at the end of the day. Biggest fucking scam of all time, aside from student loans themselves, which is. What do you do, we didn't know the book? Nope, this is the only book to read. What if we, uh, can, what if we just pirate the book?

Can you, can you do that? So wait, were you guys forced to buy certain textbooks? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I got in trouble one time. Did I tell you about this? I think I might have mentioned on the podcast. I had a, I had, my friend bought the book and I asked for it and I printed, it off all the sheets that I was using.

I took them into the exam and they told me I couldn't have it because it wasn't the official book. And I'm like, it's the book. It's just in a really shitty format. They were like, you have to buy the book. And I was like, oh, because my course, I don't buy the fucking book. My course you were forced to, I think we only maybe

had like two textbooks for the entire three and a half years I was there. And if you didn't buy it, they were kind of just like, I'll just go and buy it eventually. But they weren't like anal about it. They had this, we did engineering and one of the most important things of engineering was the, it was the, like the thermal capacity

of each material. And they would have a book that they would release each year with like the properties of the materials. And mainly it was the thermal capacity, it was. And every year they would update it. And I was curious, I was like, what's the difference? And between two years, it was like three materials have been slightly updated because they had better reading.

But it was like, I don't feel like this is any bearing on my exam. Like I don't think that I should to be forced to buy the new version every, fuck you, I'm buying the new fucking version. I didn't have much money. I'm not paying $200 for a book. No fucking way.

Yeah, that's pretty absurd. Yeah, I'm trying to remember how, because I didn't have to buy one, I had to buy four or five, I think. Yeah, that's just the main one, but they try to get me to buy other stuff too. I was like, I'm gonna buy my shit. Oh, fuck, I fell for that shit, man.

And I use one of those textbooks, I think. And the rest, I kind of, I'm trying to remember how did I How did I learn? How did I learn? One piece is great. It really taught me a lot about pirating and being a pirate

And I think that I found that very useful There is such thing as a good pirate. You know, I think that One Piece is a lot of core masters that I took to my university years You know But don't have a pirates, very bad But what was I going to say? Do you think you learnt shit in university?

I learned what I didn't want to learn I always tell people, I'm like the most valuable thing you can learn sometimes is learning what you don't want in life. What you know categorically you don't want. I wouldn't have started YouTube if it wasn't for the stuff I learned in uni. Because I learned video editing at uni.

Well, I didn't learn that. I fucking learned it the hard way. You learn video editing in university? Yeah. I'm fucking lucky, I learned it myself. Yeah, me too. Fucking Sony Vegas. Yeah, Sony Vegas.

And it was all fucking cod tutorials all the time. We had final cut. And like, we were learning video editing for one of our courses. And that's when I got interested in making videos. What'd you learn in video editing? Out of curiosity. Well, I mean, it was basically just like-

Cut guys. Well, yeah, honestly, like it was a great way to get my foot in the door. But like obviously the rest of the shit I had to kind of experiment alone myself. But before then, like, you'd open up Final Cut and I'm like, I don't know what the fuck I'm looking at. It's too much shit, but like I learned like,

it's very simple just like, you know, cut, you know, as simple effects, all that kind of stuff to like make a look of color correction, all that kind of stuff. And then the rest of the rest of, of it was just like, okay, I'll just teach myself. I think I'd learn how to do exams in university. I didn't learn how to do that.

I barely passed, bro. Oh, you barely passed? Dude. I think by the end of my uni, like, I had like, I think I had just passed the bare minimum to graduate by like six points or something, which was like nothing. Yeah. And I got that paper, I was like, see ya.

I learned the entire meal deal menu combination. I went through all of it. Oh, true. There's a Tesco Express on our campus. I learned where every pub was in the campus. Yeah, I mean, I think every, I think every university student learns that, especially.

I'll say it. Although the most viable thing of all. What? Social life. How to socialize. That's true, actually. That's the most valuable thing. That is true. That is true.

University, I mean, like, you know. I was just not social before. And I think that I underestimated how, doing my job now and even when I do things that aren't entertainment and not like YouTube, but I'm doing like straight business talks or trying to discuss things, being able to pick up and knowing confidence in social situations

is genuinely an invaluable thing that you need in life. And I think university really kind of gave me the kickstart to get that. Because you rock up and it's like battle royale social simulator. Yeah, like, well shit, I gotta start making some fucking friends or I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be fucked in this battle. Well, you're also thrown into like the deep end of the independency pool, right?

Where you're just like, oh, well, there's no like teachers there for you to like, you know, make friends for you or like, there's no parents always like hovering behind you or anything like that. That's also important because that's the last time in life, you're gonna get a shared experience with everyone around you. That's true.

After that, no one has shared experiences, it's gone. There's the one time where you kind of get to make friends for free. You have this one joining factor where you can kind of all relate to. And that's gone. So then it's, you don't realize it, but like it's kind of the training wheels for being social. And it's really the last chance you have.

Because some people don't in high school, but a lot of people don't. And that's fine, because you're worried about other shit, like how to fucking spell English words correctly, which I still didn't figure out. So, you know, I think it's important to make sure you learn how to get social skills. And for me, that's what university was.

That's where I- What the fuck did we learn in high school or secondary school? I don't know, just how to exist? How do exist? Existing's hard. I found a lot of like the hobbies that I still- This was easy back then. Yeah, for me high school was important

because I found a lot of the hobbies that I still hold dearly to my heart. Like I think it was the first step, like as you said, like it's kind of the training wheels to figure out, start to figure out, okay, who am I exactly? You know, and then I'm a fucking Dijan, baby. I'm a fucking Dijian, maybe.

You know, it's the first time you really start having some form of responsibility, which is, you know, grades come into the question. Yeah. You don't have any grades really. You got to go to school every day. And then now you're like, okay, well shit, I got to worry about this thing.

I have to start actually managing my time. Yeah, you start learning really core concepts. And then I feel like after that, like learning social skills are being encouraged to do so. It's really a side fact a lot of the time because teachers don't care either. Because I don't fucking care. Why don't give a fuck about this kid being social?

It's not my responsibility. I gotta teach your math. And then you get to university, you're like, oh shit, I have to learn this for myself now, though I'm gonna be lonely. Yeah, yeah. I feel like teachers care even less in university. Oh, they don't give a fuck at all.

No, no, no. It's their side project on the research project that they're actually doing. Yeah, it's like you're the adult, it's the last adult training wheels. It's like, you're actually an adult, but okay, hold on now. Let's give you three years to figure it all out.

We don't want you rush into the world, being dumb, right? Yeah. Me, my other kids think they were fucking straight into it. I have mad respect that they were able to make that decision and be like, fuck it, I wanna work. University is like, you're an adult. Well, are you really?

But no, you're an adult, I swear, I swear down. And then you go to the other world and you realized, oh, they were fucking lying to me. They were giving me adult easy mode. And then the people who don't wanna do, that take a gap year. And they're like, I'm already yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dude, I thought I had bills figured out in universities. I had like two bills to pay, I was like, shit, they're easy, bro. And then, now days I'm like, oh shit, okay, Okay, I'm juggling all these things. All right, I gotta pay all these bills. Holy fuck. How much is my health insurance?

What? Yeah. Oh, do you know why? I learned in university? I fucking hate housemates. Really? Yes. I like housemates.

You like housemates? I kinda miss not having a housemate, yeah. I suppose I have Sydney. I don't really count Sydney. Well, that's not a housemate. Yeah, she's a housemate, but. Would you want to choose how, that is a fucking a housemate.

No, that's different. No, it's different. It's a housemate that you both. sometimes and you go to dates with, all right? That's already quite different. I think a lot of housemates did that in my university, like. Sometimes you bone your house, but this is 24-7

boning committal and no other bone in the lap. Okay, the point is that, I mean, you can't get the same things that prop up. It's a bit different, right? Because you're, you know, but there are the same things pop sometimes, maybe, maybe Joey, you're the bad housemate and you don't do your dishes. Maybe Acky has to do them for you.

Sure, you know what I mean? Housemates is where I learned, Oh, not everyone does have the shame shared experience. That was my first rude awakening to be like, I, there is this basic etiquette I thought I was brought up in, in a certain household, and this person doesn't fucking do it. And you either gotta teach him and be an asshole. Like the guy who had the wine glass in the underwear, right?

Yeah, there was a fork, actually. Or it was a fork, sorry. Maybe you didn't know things as well. Was there anything that you didn't, you were like shocked to learn when you got his university? I feel like I'm a good house, mate. I was... That's what they all say, go on.

The only thing I did was take up freezer space because my, that was my mother. Taking up all the freezer space with takeaway boxes. Well, they probably thought the same thing. They were like, this motherfucker taking up the freezer space. Okay, there's a difference between taking up freezer space and leaving my fucking fork in your underwear, used underwear drawer, okay, Joey.

Yeah, that's fucked up. I got pissed off at this one guy, used my pizza tray, which admittedly wasn't expensive. It was like a pound. But he used my pizza tray to cook a whole fucking chicken and there was just charred bits of chicken that I could never get off this pizza tray

and I thought what's a cunt? He didn't even clean it. He left it there for three days so the chicken was fused with this tray. I got so annoying because I was like, man, have you no respect for other people's property? Come on, man. I just like, I got to a point where I just realized

if I buy milk, I need to drink this as or use this as fast as possible because it is, No matter- I gave up on milk and bread. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I had to buy the tiny milks, which was a thing in the UK.

I love this thing. I wish Japan did this. Well, they kinda do, but it's not the same. Yeah. They used to have like the two, two, three liter big jugs of milk that family did. Then they had the one liter.

And they had like the 250 or 300 mil liter little cartons of milk. It's so fucking awesome. Well, Japan has like the 300 mil canes. But that, I, I, okay, I hate the fucking cardboard boxes for milk. I like the plastic one. The one we had in the UK.

I love that. Those are pretty good. It was so nice, because you can also pick it up and see how much you have left. Yeah. Can you pull it up? UK milk cartons.

They're so good. I really, really hate the American and Japanese design. Are we fucking just shouting out milk cartons now? Shout out to milk cartons. This one, look at this one. Yo, UK. No, no, no, no, blow, blow. It's the plastic ones.

Yeah, yeah, those ones. Yeah, yeah, we had those in Australia as well. Yeah, yeah. We taught you right. Yeah, we, we. And look at the mini one, the mini one. The mini ones, yeah. This is the best.

The mini one. This is my favorite one all the time. Oh, the bottom, no, no, no, no, left, left of that, left of that. Left of that. Yeah, you're so close. Yeah, yeah, left, left, left. You had it, it's a mini car. That one, yeah, that one, that one.

That one, yeah, that one. Yeah, that one. Yeah, that's a mini one. That's a tiny one, that's a tiny one. That's a little, little baby one. That love this, but bread, bread, there was no mini bread, unfortunately. No. Bread, bread for one person in the UK, you know, because when I go to America,

I'm like, why does your bread last three weeks? Yeah. What's going on here? Because in the UK, it would last a week if you're lucky. You know, day three, it's already like starting to be pretty hard. Yeah. So, you know, and that's the stuff with the artificial stuff kind of preserving it. Really fresh bread, day two is Donzo.

Why are we raving over milk, Cardsboro? Because what a fantastic design, really. I think we should really, you know, encourage designs like this to be more commonplace. Yeah, plastic. But I've already given up, bro, on microplastics. I'm done, bro. It's already over for us. At least let me enjoy my fucking milk cartons.

Me stopping it isn't gonna save the fucking turtles. In Japan, they recycle the milk carton, or the plastics. Okay, yeah, to be fair, like Japan is kind of like hypocritical in that sense, because they're like, oh, all of the milks are in paper so that we can recycle them, but we're also gonna individually wrap

every single piece of gum in a packet as well. Yeah, and then what happens to all this plastic in Japan? In most places, burned. Yep. So, fantastic. Yes, it's burned, made for electricity, but it's still burning it. So I'm like, let me have my fucking milk carton. Stop wrapping the bananas. I will, I will, I will,

I will take not wrapping bananas for milk cartons like this. You wanna get rid of the wrapping of the bananas? I don't need a plastic enclosure for the- Oh, I thought you meant like the skin. No, no, no, no, no, no. What the heck? I'm skin bananas. They plastered bag bananas here.

I don't want that. Unpeeled bananas? They selling unpeeled bananas now? What? I think I was a good housemate though, other than my incessant shouting. But that's a pretty big bad one. Yeah, that would piss me off.

If I was waking up for, if I was hung over and I just heard, ah, ah, I would wanna kill you. I'll ask my old housema, I'll be, I'm gonna ask right now. Hopefully, hopefully she replies. I'll be like, what was I, what was the strong points and bad points?

Was I? My, my, hello. Yeah, I only had housemates for like, what, three months maybe when I first moved to Japan. But that's because when I first moved to Japan, I didn't have like my own place and it was a lot harder to like get your own place before moving to the country, right?

So I moved in with a friend of mine, two friends of mine, which I'm sure if you know the history of my channel, you know who they are. But yeah, I didn't like it. I realized I was like three months was more than enough to be like, oh, I don't like housemates. Even if you have friends,

you don't necessarily get along well with them when you're living together constantly. And also it beats that no other feeling than going downstairs at like 9 p.m. They're chilling, you're like, what are you watching? Like Lord of the Rings. I'm halfway through it.

I'm like, oh, I'm in. Oh, yeah, I had moments. I'd probably like that too, but it was also just kind of like, oh, you know what? I kind of like my own privacy sometimes. And like just having your own room is not the same. That's a big difference because I'm, I was never that guy who just saw people watching a film

and I was just like, oh yeah, I'll join. Because to me, I was always in the mood of, I'm not really in the mood to watch this right now. Maybe I'll watch it some other time. Bro, I had arrogance to play. Like I rather do that. You don't want to be social. That's what I'm hearing.

No, no, no, I do want to be social. You want social on your parameters. I wanna be social. Yes, actually. Yes, this call being an introvert. I wanna be social when I'm ready to be social. I'm never gonna say no to Lord of the Rings, especially if my boys watching it.

I'm like, alright, okay, come on, let's get watch. I just like- You tell me if I wasn't like, if you walk down stairs and trashy's office, I'm watching Lord of the Rings, I'm halfway through it. Wait, which one of you hasn't watched Lord of the Rings. It was fucking you, I knew it was. Well, we did watch Lord of Rings.

Yeah, I have now watched Lord of Rings. It was we did this in Hawaii. One, we, we, was someone put Lord of the Rings on one of the hotel rooms and we all just stopped and started watching Oh yeah, we watched Return of the King, yeah. I'm gonna be real. If I had my own room, I probably would have fucked off.

Yeah, he was in Garn's Room. We all went to Gant's Room for some reason, and then I was- Because we were gonna have drinks! And then you put on Lord of the Rings! And I'm like, well guys, by the way, this is the third movie, and I haven't watched either one of the previous ones,

and you guys were like, don't care, bro. Not a problem. That's right, we all met in Gant's room. Yeah, I put on TV and I was flicking to the chance, I saw Lord of the Rings, and then we all were like, five of us, we were like, Let's hang out.

I just watch Lord of the Rings. I mean like, bang a movie. I was like, guys, I haven't seen that. And you're like, don't get out. Well, the Gun, there's never a bad time to watch Lord of the Rings. I think even watching them out of order is okay because they're just such a bang a movie.

In order, out of order. Is that a take? 100%. We were like, who cares. Like John Wick, right? Exactly like John Wick actually. Lord of the Ring stands the test of time, gone. I'm sure it does.

I'm sure it does. I was a great housemate, generally. I was a fantastic thing. I just don't believe people who say that, you know. Dude, I cleaned the most, which I feel is the hardest part of being a housemate. Oh, I cleaned the most as well. Did you clean?

Yeah, of course I did, yeah. Did you have a cleaning rotor? No, I was the fucking made of the house, bro. I don't believe it. I don't buy. I don't know. We're in a fucking true crime investigation now. I heard the stutter in the voice. Yeah, I got clean.

Psycho analyze. JCS pauses right now. What we have here is a man who just got caught in a lie. Notice that his eyes looked up to the left inciting that he might have potentially lied. When you play LA Noelle once. The detective will now realize this lie and continue the line investigation in this direction.

So Joey, we know you didn't clean. We have the evidence, right? Sure. You can, you know you didn't clean. We saw the crime scene. We have the roommate's testimony right here, Jerry. Oh, really? We haven't in the other room.

They ratted you out. It'll be easy on you just to, uh, Admit now. We have an anonymous tip for someone. Joey, we can help you out if you just confess. If you just tell us you didn't clean that much, we can do, we can help you out. No, I did actually clean, though.

How do you, okay, what do you look for? What would you look for in a good roommate then? Aside from obviously companionship, because hopefully you're living with people that you like, which is the bare minimum of what you would hope for in a good roommate. I mean, honestly, if your roommate's kind of in the same friend group as you, it's chill,

because you can all just hang out. And then when you go, out, they can join you. It's just good vibes. Okay, one, one other thing as well, which is an unfortunate reality. I've never been in a flat where, you know, if it was like more than five people, there would always be some kind of drama around some bills getting paid. And I think that was, yeah, I heard that. And I think that is the fucking massive thing where that is like the friendship end.

of like how, okay, you can get along perfectly well with someone. You can fucking chill with them, but as soon as this kind of like financial responsibility comes into play, that is what I found to be, friendship end is not for just people that I had roomed within the past, but from what I've heard from people around me as well. Because unfortunately, some people are just really fucking irresponsible.

And I think being roommates for someone is a big tell about, you, can, are you cool with someone? You can be totally cool with someone, but they can also just be a completely like irresponsible person in some things that now is affecting your life. I think that's the, I think you just described why content creator houses just don't work out in the long run either, right? Because like, I feel the same phenomenon happens where it's like, oh, I really like this other person. I like making content with them. I respect them as a creator, blah, blah, blah. But it's very different living with that person where you see everything else, right? And,

and they might not be as like mature or right in the head as they make themselves out to be on camera. And then- A bunch of egos in a room. And then yeah, it all fucking crumbles apart. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think it was my university and I think even more so my London experience because London shared flats and houses are,

was such an awful fucking experience for me that I was like, I think I'm good. You had a horrible experience, which I think easily could define how you view it. I think that's fair. It only takes one man. Yeah, I think it takes just one bad neighbor or one bad roommate to be like, I'm fucking done.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm fucked up. I'm fucking done. I'm only living with my life partner. And that's pretty much it for roommates. Yeah. You figured it out, man. You crack the code.

Though I do like to have fun with the boys, just not always living with them constantly, but maybe some people do actually like roommates. It is kind of scary. Well, like, every time we go to America, like how many, like, especially creators ask, like, oh, so do you guys like live in a house? Yeah.

Like in a creator house? What scares me more isn't how many creators live in the house? It's how big some of the content houses are. Yeah. Well, a lot of them fail. I mean, a lot of them are destined to fail almost because you just can't have that many egos in one building. I mean, even with some creatures,

I'm totally chill with, it's not even about egos, but when you have fucking nine people in a house, I'm like, this is- That's a party. This is too much. Yeah. This is too many people that I am constantly around. That's a hotel, bro. Totally chill with everyone.

everyone here. And that's too much to manage for me. Yeah. But hey, in fucking, in a city like LA, in a city, in a major city like New York, sometimes you just have to room with someone. Yeah. And I think I learned early on that I guess it's just worth moving out to find someone more affordable.

If only you could afford it though. And that's why people are doomed in this day and age. This really has been a Duma podcast, hasn't it? It's been a Duma podcast as equally. What a way, what a way to end the year. All we've talked about this podcast to end the year of 2023 off is talk about fetishes, doom and overstimulation. Let's talk about something nice to end this year off

before we call it today. Swag money. What's the best thing to happen to you guys this year? Let's have some positivity to end things off. Hemorrhoids. You're gonna get a hemorrhoids, man. There's gonna be an arc on trash taste. Hasgant got hemorrhoids arc.

I still do not have hemorrhoids. Hemorrhojack? It's kind of hemorrhogeet? Can giga beat hemorrhoes? It's like a coughing, coughing baby versus hydrogen bomb. Hemorrhoids versus giga. Which one's which? We'll never tell. What is the best thing that happened this year?

This year's gonna be a blur. I don't know about how you guys think. So it's like kind of hard to. I will say, I mean, you had your tie wedding. Yeah. Oh yeah, that was this year. That was January. Holy shit.

You guys got to experience my home country. Yeah, we saw Thailand. Fuck, that was so much fun. I'm still salty about the partite that you paid for. I'm salty after I heard about it. It wasn't bad though. I definitely could have had better though. You guys came to Australia as well, all right?

I fucking love Australia. Yeah. And we went to Wales for the Europe tour, so we all visited each other's home countries this year. Well, we went to Cardiff. It's not really Wales. I mean, you guys went to Melbourne. Do you know my favorite, my favorite

memory from Cardiff is when we went to the castle, and we met that Welsh guy who seemed oddly proud of how many times Wales standing in the car in front of the castle. This talk I was like oddly proud of how many times this castle had been taken over and stormed. And he's like, it's still standing there. Wales is just that Goku meme where he's on fire and smiling.

Like that is Wales. It's like, hey, we always get fucked, but we never leave. I think around them at that period, there was a lot of countries that got taken over, especially in Europe, right? And Wales was the one that was like, no, we lose but we're staying.

They just kept getting fucked from the millennia and they were like, we're still here. What do you want? Damn, it was pretty funny, just how excited he was. Because he found out we were doing the show in Cardiff and he was like, oh, next time you should do a show in the castle. And I'm like, what, it could fit like 60 people in there. It's like, yeah, it'd be great.

It would be fun to do a show in a castle. Or just anything in a castle. Castle is just cool. Let's fuck in the castle. I don't know, what else? I mean, we did so much traveling this year and a lot of new countries as well, which was always hype.

I know, I just had a lot of fun, you know, doing all the cool streaming stuff this year, but it was a highlight for me. Just doing all that fun, crazy projects that I've been working on the year before. Yeah, was the charity auction this year. Charity auction this year. Charity auction was a huge hype for me.

That was amazing. Yeah, that was really really really good. It's been such a blurring year that was like, was that this year? Was that last year? Fuck. We're getting to that point. No, I swear to God.

Sometimes, I don't know if years are just getting longer for everyone, or if just three months feels like... You mean shorter? They're getting shorter, right? Because 2023 felt like it went by like, like that. But also three months ago feels like a year ago for me, almost. That's because we're doing a bunch of shit, can't? Three months ago, we were like on tour.

Yeah. Not even. It was October, bro. Shit. No, sorry, no, you're right. It was September. No, he was three months. It was three months. Yeah, and I felt like a year ago, man.

Oh, it's just. I mean, the US tour was a year ago. Yeah, that's true. Which feels like five years ago. It feels like five years ago. I don't know, are years getting longer or shorter? I don't know, but this year felt, it kind of felt like a blur, but it also felt,

I don't, I'm, I don't, I'm, I'm not. There was no good games this year. I'm trying. No good anime. There's no good anime, no good games. It was all a blur. Shit, mood. No games this year.

There was no games. Just none at all. I interrupted you. None at all. I just thought it was a funny memory of the game. Well, maybe, Connor, if you played Borders Gate 3, I'm not the fucking Suika game. Game of the year.

You'd think that there were good games. I mean, they were good games as you, because Hongkai Star Rock. Oh, fuck off. It was a weird year. It felt like a year. of continuation. I think that was the theme of this year.

Yeah, in many senses. It just felt like an extension to the years prior of almost like recovering from COVID. Yeah, in a way it was kind of just like, people weren't really figuring out exactly how to get back into the swing of things because we had just come out of the whole COVID thing. Oh, that was last year though.

No, but like it kind of ended early last year. I feel like it's still going. Yeah. I feel like people are still mentally readjusting from that whole period. People are like, oh man, we were locked off for so long. How do we like life again? Well, do you know what the kanji of the year was for Japan?

Every year they have a kanji that symbolizes the year. Or was it? It was tax. This year. All the tax hikes this year. So tax was the kanji of the year. And I'm not kidding. Tax was the kanji of the year.

That's so bad. That's so far. Because Japanese people were obviously like, motherfuckers raising the tax honors of this year. Yeah. Is that serious? Yeah, look it up. Last year, last year, you know what it was?

What? War. No, it was fight. But it was war the year before. Was it war the year before? Mitsu, oh no, so 2020 was Mitsu, which means to stay close because COVID. Oh, right, yeah.

2021 was king or gold because of the Olympics. Yeah, 22 was Iqsa, which means war. Oh, my bad, I missed a fight. And 2023 was there, which is tax. People, is there a reason why, I believe it's because of the tax hikes. They were a huge part of Japanese kind of meme culture as well. Well, it's also probably because during COVID,

Japan just got completely fucked up. I've seen a ceremony of them writing this kanji. It's really like a, it's very fun to watch. It's like a very, very. Yeah, guy stands on the podium and he's like, the year, this year's Kanji is. It's so intense. This guy just kind of like this really old man.

This giant brush writes this beautiful kanji. So Japan chooses taxes Kanji the year amid concern over cost of living. Has been chosen as Japan's word of the year in a reflection of growing public anxiety over the cost of living and impeding tax. I feel like they've blown the load too early because I think it's only gonna get worse.

Oh yeah, yeah. Four years in a row. A taxed can't be four years in a row. That's what it wasn't. No, housing is next year. Housing is next year. Economy the year after that. Do you think during the Great Sage,

it was just tax, tax, tax? There's no money to tax. Well, at least Taylor Swift was a person of the year, right? Yeah, next year will be swift. Like high eye. Did you, did you, did you, Did you hear about her interview that she gave after winning person of the year?

No. Did she say, I was born in 1989. And I walked off. There's this meme. There's this meme of all of her concerts where like she starts off every, like you know how like it's a very tropey thing to do from musicians to be like, say some kind of like thing.

Taylor Swift does it in a way which is just like, no disrespect, but it's just so incredibly corny. Where like, you know, she would have You have like, you know, one of the biggest songs is like, You've now made an enemy of every Swifty out there. It's fine, I didn't give a shit. But like, you know, like, you know the song, Trouble. Yeah, like, I knew you were trouble when you walked in.

There's this clip that's been going around TikTok of the way that she introduces that song. And there's so many parodies of it's just being like, you know, how did you ever like been in a situation where you've met a guy at a party and you just knew that he was trouble? And then the song starts and it's just like, brought. Come on.

Like, can you do it in a way that's like a little bit more interesting please? Like, yeah. Learn from Lady Gaga, man. Like do something interesting with it. I think it's almost terrifying to put so much fame on one person. Yeah, I can't imagine.

I mean, that's what she kind of talked about in her interview, which was, um... Yeah, it's not her fault. I mean... No, it's not a fault at all. I mean, it's terrible. I mean, what it goes. What if I'm funny was, you know,

she was talking about the whole thing that started with all the beef that she had with Kanye. I'm really happy for you. I'm let you finish. but Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time. I just like the, how it nearly ruined her career.

And then she ended it on. Look what happened now. And then she ended it on, but it's okay. Trash always takes itself out. Or something along those lives. And I was just like, I'm not a swiftly, I'm not a Taylor fat. Fucking Slate Queen.

But holy shit. Taylor, you did not need to go that hard. How long do you think she was like cooking that line? Stop. She was holding on to that line. She's like, Kanye's already dead. I'm a win person of the year. I'm a bit, I'm holding on to this line.

I wish it was, I wish there was, I wish it was true though. I wish it was true that trash took itself. The people, do not take themselves out. No, unfortunately not. Persist. Some of the most persistent people in fact are trash. Yeah, that's just how it goes.

I mean, Kanye still has a fan base, even after all the shit he said. Yeah, man. Which is like insane to think. People are on coping. Yeah. People always on co-op. Buddy made graduation.

God. It's my favorite meme. I just, it sucks because it's like, man, I don't even want to fucking talk about him because I'm like, this guy's a piece of shit, let's just let him his name become irrelevance. But some people always want to give weight to it because it's like watching a fucking car crash.

Yeah. Well, at this point, it's more like reality TV. That's what it feels like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, a lot of people do the same with YouTuber drama as well, which has also been spicy this year as well. They just don't see them as real people. in a sense, right?

Like they just see it as like a show. I mean, if you make a fucking apology video with the ukulele, do you deserve to be seen as a real functioning human being? I think that was genius. I think it was genius. Yeah. I completely forgot about it.

I'm just saying that. Because everyone remembers the apology, but nobody remembers the apology. Everyone remembers the ukulele. It's genius. What a, what a, in a sense, that was goaded. Yes, the drama itself was the talk of the town for the week, but now all I ever think about

is that funny ukulelele ukulele bit she did. And yes, there's drama involved there, but I think that most people just remember it for the fucking song. Yeah, being absolutely horrible. It was, it was iconic. We're never going to top that as a human civilization and apology. Genius. I don't know, man. Give YouTubers time to cook and I think we're going to, I think we're going to find something new. We'll find creative ways. I mean, people. Someone needs to write a book, like a textbook apology, Like how to handle these kind of situations. Yeah, I'm gonna ride.

How to make an apology video by Connaker Who? No. It's not just called PR, which some YouTubers definitely need in their lives. Yeah, totally. Yeah, PR's tough. Because everyone has an opinion and no one's right a lot of the time.

Mm-hmm. Sometimes all you can do is be wrong. It's just being less wrong. Well, it's also in those kinds of situations, right? Like, I feel no matter how powerful of a PR team you have, he's just, there's never a winning situation. Like, it's always a lose-lose.

You know, so it's just like, I don't know, man. Just don't fuck up. Hopefully, hopefully. Well, all right, gamers. Enough about these swift nonsense. What are you doing next year? What's on the agenda? What do you think?

What do you want to change next year? What do you want to do? What's the big thing? Are you talking about New Year's resolution? What's your, yeah, what do you want to do? Well, New Year's goals, I guess, more than a resolution. I want to, this year, I raised $950,000, $950,000 for charity. I want to raise a million this year.

Well, I didn't make my goal. So I'm gonna do it next year. Still a shit load of money, bro. Yeah, I'm gonna do it next year. Easy. I wanna play more Genshin next year. My goal for next year. Just, just,

my goal for next year is to start and finish the trail series before gone. Why can't you guys have good goals? That's a great goal, bro. No, it's fucking terrible. Why do you get ripped, Jerry? I do, I don't wanna get ripped. Get ripped.

No. I'm good, man. Give up trails, no trails. I'm happy with how I look. I do have a goal next year, but it is a secret and I don't wanna say it publicly yet because I know what happens when you talk about projects. Yeah, all my actual goals, I don't wanna spoil.

Yeah, because as soon as you say it, big balls, I want big balls next year. I'm getting a third testicle. I'm gonna juice them up. I'm gonna massage him every day. We do ball stretching techniques. My skirt will be down on my knees, bro. Okay, give me a superficial reward.

Just a little thing, okay, because I think sometimes it's too easy to get lost in big accomplishments, right? We all do this and we're all guilty of it, and it's something that I think is not helpful. What I think is more helpful is little things that you wanna change next year. What is something small in your life

that you wanna improve on next year? That is just a small improvement on your daily life that you think will have better ramifications on your life. I wanna spend more time with friends and family. Yeah, that's pretty much the change that I've enacted. That's why I'm not doing many convention experiences.

Like, you know, we've talked about this. We've doing less traveling purely for work and that gives me more time to travel for the stuff that I value, you know? Yeah, I wanna cherish more of like my private life, I think. Like just kind of, you know, spend more time with obviously, Arki, but also friends, family, you know, meet new people, go travel,

you know, just stuff that isn't necessarily in front of camera, I guess. And like, you know, because like, I feel like I've missed a lot of that. being a YouTuber, you know? Yeah, fair enough. And yeah, same thing, honestly. I feel like I haven't appreciated time

with close ones as much. Trying to balance that time, but it's always tough. Bouncing time is always tough. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I think I got to that point where I want to focus more on exciting, like, you know, generic kind of like YouTuber things in my career.

I just wanna focus more on like exciting projects that I have put a lot of work love into. Creatively challenges. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not gonna say now, uh, just because I, as soon as I say it, it's gone. Expectations are gonna come and I'm not gonna want to work. Just let him cook. Let the man cook. Yeah, yeah. Uh, but that's as vague as I, I'm willing to be about some of the shit that I've been working on. But, uh, hey, like, with, when it comes to trash taste stuff next year, we do have some pretty nice stuff cooking up. Trash taste is changing, kind of, in, uh, 2024.

It's safe to say that, you know, when you've been a podcast for four years, nearly now? Three and a half, yeah. How close are we to four? We're near episode 200, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. What episode are we on though?

180 something? Yeah. I don't know, so Jesus, that's a lot. You know, I think trash is, we're nearly four years in now. So we have to start being like, all right, how do we make this, we're still fresh to the audience. Yeah.

We were past that honeymoon phase of the podcast, where the first two years, you know, We, uh, everything is all new and then we've got all these stories to talk about. So I think we're, we're all actively trying to think, how do we make trash taste engaging? So we're all still engaged. But also, you guys are still engaged. Yeah.

So I always, one thing that I despise when people speculate over like what we're doing and trash taste or the reason why it's changing. And it's like, dude, we just, ultimately, I think we just, we all have our own stuff that we love doing. But trash taste is still like this, this thing that we really want to make as good as possible. Of course. Yeah. But at the end of the day, it is just a talk show. And I think that's got to be the core of it.

How do we keep that core alive? But also make it new. Yeah. Yeah. I think we had a talk about what direction we wanted to take trash taste in 2024. And I think we had, you know, we only have a limited amount of time that we have to work with on. There's only so much time that I think we're willing or want to put into trash taste just because it's, right now it's like a good 50-50 split between trash taste projects. It's healthy.

And personal projects. Yeah. And I think if there was a different race. I'd probably be unhappy with one side or the other. If it was just like barely any trash taste, I'd feel like why, what the fuck is the point of doing it? If there's too much, I'd be like, I hate this is the only thing that I can creatively invest.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And we had a few options of different things that we, you know, could pursue and I think the thing that we all wanted to pursue was doing more videos with each other, just not in the studio, you know? Yeah, and, you know, pre- Or you're like, you know, different from just like the regular, just us sitting here talking kind of thing. Yeah.

And previously, you know, we had called them specials because there would always be big budgets, big ideas, and you'd only get like a few of them per year, if not fucking one at most, you know? Yeah, which is fine, but I think it also made it very limiting. Yeah, made it very limiting. So next year we kind of wanted to put all of our spare time we don't have recording the podcast into making more,

I would like to call it trash taste outside, you know? Yeah, just like fun little videos, kind of giving you guys more outside stuff. Yeah, I think yeah, it's, but obviously to go to do that, I think we have to be in Japan more, which is like the big thing. So I think we did a lot of tours, we did like back to back tours, which was a lot,

which a lot of people were like, why they're fucking touring all the time, they should fucking make something. And to some extent I agree, I think touring is taking a lot of time. It has, an energy as well. Yeah, it's like you, you know, we had to pre-record a time.

ton and I think that in some senses it might have hurt the podcast not other senses I think it helped us like I I when people ask me like why I do it or why I personally did touring I always tell them like listen like as an entertainer is what we're supposed to be doing the what the most valuable experience you can get is real on stage experience having to be entertained totally having to like read the crowd having to like kind of have that kind of feedback it's totally different skills that you have to learn as well dude I think as an entertainer it's like there's no way to improve so rapidly other than being on stage having to make jokes to try these like sometimes unfunny jokes. Sometimes you bomb.

Sometimes you say a joke that it doesn't get any reaction. Sometimes you say a joke, like it's an amazing reaction. And like having to have that kind of live feedback is so crucial and learning stage presence and learning all these factors. I think it made us all like better entertainers. Like watching, you know. And I definitely like lit a fire under our asses too

like meeting you guys, you know, after shows and stuff and seeing you guys like physically there. Like it made us realize like, oh okay, like we meet, we don't wanna disappoint you guys. Like we want to obviously like creatively, you know, challenge ourselves as well, but we also wanna make sure that we give you guys the stuff that you'll be proud of

and you'll enjoy watching. So yeah. Oh, we've earned enough that shit. Yeah, well, yeah. I'm done. I'm done. I think we're pretty confidently say at least 25, that probably won't be a tour.

No, there might be a tour. Okay, so we all, we might have some one-off shows in some cities. Sure. I will say that any time, we've made the decision, any time that we are traveling to a place for maybe some kind of event, there is probably gonna be some kind of ulterior motive,

which is probably going to be a trash taste outside, a trash taste special that we're gonna be filming there. Hopefully, I mean, we're really bad at saying things and committing to them. Well, I mean, not in general, just with, only with specials, really. The one thing we can promise you though, is that there will be more specials in 20204

than 2023. Yeah, 100%. We said that last year and we didn't commit to it, but we, I swear to God, this year, we actually will. This time we're actually committing to it, trust us. Also, I think one thing that we're trying to do is give more, value to patrons. Yeah. You know, right now we only have the credits at the end, which is fine.

I think it's fine. I think a lot of patrons don't really, they just want to support the show and and early access to clips and stuff like that. Yeah, and you get early access to clip, but we're actually making exclusive content for the patron. It's nothing crazy. Just chill little things that if you really enjoy the show, you might like. Yeah. Actually, right now, oh, God, bloody out. That's right. As God said, I'm sorry, as Conn said, excuse me, yeah, if you guys actually go over to the Patreon now. Starting from this month, we're going to be releasing weekly videos on Patreon uploaded at the same time as we upload each of these videos here on the YouTube channel just for you guys. So you guys over on the Patreon get extra content every single week of us.

In fact, if you go on right now, then you get a bunch of content for this month that is fully available to watch. And you can do so by going to patreon.com slash trashdase. It supports us in making like cool specials and, you know, other cool projects outside of just regular podcasting, but also you guys get to see us do some stuff that you'll never see or never have seen before. To be like completely transparent, we do want to bring more value to the Patreon. And a lot of that is because of the plans that we have in 2024. We've already filmed some specials and one of them and a few of the ideas that we already have booked out. Some of the highest budgets that we've ever spent on a video. But that's not going to be

every video. Right. That's like the expectation that I want to. We want to set, we want to have a mix of high budget and high, kind of like, high quality, high quality. And some videos that are just more, that are just more casual, you know, that are easier to film. Totally.

Just more shit of us doing things that are not in the studio. That are just talking shit for two hours, you know? Yeah, because I know a lot of people have been asking for more streams, and that's been a big, like, talking point. Yeah. And to be completely transparent, One of like the biggest, hardest decisions we had to make is trash days after Dark started as

complimentary content. Like, that's how it started, right? We kind of like went live randomly one time. Yeah. And a big part of AfterDark was COVID just gave us a lot of fucking time in the country. Yeah, After Dark was completely unplanned. Yeah, yeah. It was completely unplanned.

And we did a lot of fun things with After Dark. And I think going forward, it's going to be the same kind of feel. where if we do a stream, it's going to be a special event. Yeah, I saw a lot of people being like, after dog's fucking over. It's like, no, no, God said one time that we're not really focusing on it. Yeah.

It'll probably still happen at some point. It just won't be frequent at all. I think that's a healthy way of approaching. It's more like if it happens, it's just going to be the same kind of feeling when the first time we went live with After Dark, which is just, fuck it, we just had some time and we wanted to go live.

Yeah, and that was pretty much it. Yeah, very much. The channel is currently being used to show every trashy, taste episode forever. So if you do want to watch trash taste at random points with live audience, you can go do that as well. Yeah. Yeah. So patrons, we hope that you're happy with like the mini pieces of content, which, you know, which are some of them are just ideas that really did not fit on other channels. Like just the channel. Yeah. I have the channel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I was playing Mario card or playing, you know, Mario Party. Like it just

doesn't really make sense to make a whole stream about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because like most of them are just like half an hour videos or some shit like that. And most of them are just filmed right after we have some spare time between recordings, you know? Yeah, they're kind of made with the intent of like, you know, after you've watched your weekly trash days episode, then there's just like another little side thing to like kind of finish it off, you know? So, yeah.

Like the important thing is we try to make it not only manageable for all our plans, but manageable for our mental health as well. Yeah. So we don't get burnt out. Yeah. Ultimately, I think there's a huge value that we place on being here, and providing you a show that we think is good every single week.

And some weeks, it's super easy to do that. Another week is really hard to do that. But ultimately we just try to give you something weekly. And we hope that that's good. You enjoy it. And we're gonna try our best to keep doing that for the next year as well. All right. And that's pretty much it for this year

in a trash taste 2020. Hey, look at all these patrons though, boys. Look at all these patrons that have signed up. These guys were the ones supporting us in 2023 and have made it possible. Yeah, that's out. And again, if you would like to support the show into the new year of 2024,

as well as get access again to the Patreon exclusive content, which we will be releasing every single month, then head on over to our Patreon, Patreon.com slash trash days. Also follow us on Twitter, send us some memes on the subreddit, and if you hate our face, listen to us on Spotify, and we will see you gamers in the brand new year of 2024.

All right, see you guys. Bye. Bye.