Trash Taste Podcast - We are the Garbage Taste Podcast (ft. William Osman) | Trash Taste #118

Episode Date: September 23, 2022

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Can we DMCA back? We've done two of those now. Have you actually? Yeah. You were the second one. Yeah, yeah. The first one, we did it. There's a,

someone commented about how we were performing much worse than you guys. Okay. We started watching you guys like the same time you and a trash taste. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just funny. I feel like it was really funny to get compared. Because it was not like, you know, when your parents get mad at you?

Yeah. versus when your parents get disappointed in you. Yeah. It felt like disappointment. I thought you'd be like your older brother. It's like so well. It's cool. So we became our older brother first.

Well, actually, what I found funny was that you actually went on and talked about anime on your podcast, which is the- No, we don't do that. No, we don't do that. We didn't do on our podcast. So you guys are kind of like filling the gap of what we didn't do. You're surpassing the older brother at this point.

Yeah. I gotta say, out of all the people on YouTube, the person I get, people comment the most, like you look like a budget William Osmond. People always, yeah, people always say that. Why budget? I don't know, maybe the evil British twin or something. That's more lost.

That sounds more exciting, right? To be fair, Connor's beard isn't as clean as yours. Yeah, your beard's so clean. Yeah, I don't have it, I don't know how. That's insane. I don't shave it or anything, I just trim it every week, maybe. Yeah, yeah, same.

I've let mine get a little bit right now. If I shave, it just tears me up. Yeah. So I don't, I just trim. Damn, your beard's so good. That's why I'm the budget. How come you guys don't talk about it? How come you guys don't talk about anime anymore?

Well, there's only so much you can talk about or start going down a rabbit hole of things that YouTube won't let you monetize. Yeah, two of us are like, I guess, anime YouTubers well, Joey's the next anime YouTuber at this point. And I still watch it. Yeah, you still watch it. I still watch it.

I just don't talk about it. You know what's funny? Joey has, Jerry now watches it as a hobby. Yeah. I've actually gone back to watching it as a hobby. As opposed to a job. As opposed to, because it was a job for me for the longest time.

And then after a while, I'm just like, I kind of got bored of talking about anime in video form, but I still enjoy the medium. So it's like, but see, here's the YouTuber dilemma. Is that if you don't make a video on it, then you didn't do it. Yeah. Right. So, you know, obviously my audience clowns on me for that,

which is, you know, understandable. The people have a field day with it. But yeah, I don't know. I guess like, I mean, look, because the thing is we've always called ourselves trash taste from the beginning, right? And we always called ourselves as an anime podcast. We've sold it as an anime podcast.

But I don't think the intention was to talk about anime the entire time. Yeah, it's, I never wanted to talk about it. Yeah, exactly. In general, you guys have. It's like every now and then we'll like, we'll throw it in as a topic. Right.

Right. But it's not like the main focus. Yeah. I don't think. Yeah, I mean, it's funny because even though it's like an ongoing joke within our own fan base on our own podcast that we don't talk about anime,

I think it's actually just really helped with our branding. And I definitely noticed this when I went to L.A. And we met, you know, a bunch of creators, including you. And pretty much everyone who met was just like, oh. That's the link. the anime guys.

And you're like, oh no. Yeah, and so like every guest we had in L.A. was just like, yes, I don't really like watch a lot of animas. And we have to somehow talk about it for two hours.

I'm like, yeah. No, no, we don't. I think because like, the only real like anime episode we had was probably with like Pro ZD.

Yeah, exactly. But then other than that, we maybe mentioned it for like five minutes at a time. But do you want to talk about anime? I literally could not care less. Wait, about anime or about talking about anime? Okay.

Are you an anime fan, William? Kind of. What does that mean? You stepped into the marsh. That was such like a closet weave kind of like things. Most anime is like garbage. Yeah. I mean, that's probably why it's like,

yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Do people actually get mad if you say anime's garbage? No, we say it all the time. It's literally our brandy. What are you doing by garbage? I've ever heard my phone make it sound like. And it will never again. Define,

why is it garbage? Why is it garbage? It a lot of times is very cheap. What do you mean by that? Like cheap as in like they crank it out as quickly as possible. And so everything is like

they're sort of cherry picking the most successful tropes and strategies. Like instead of making a really well fleshed out story, here's like dangling keys in front of a baby. I would argue American cartoons are also like, I'm not saying anything. This is not about American Cardo. You've seen Big Mouth on Netflix?

The shit is ugly. I think I've seen because I don't watch any American Card Dates. There's something about anime, though, that, like, I think what I do like about it is there's sort of the suspension of the real world, where it's, yeah, the language barrier makes it feel like something that's very different from what you're regularly consuming. Yeah, I agree.

Definitely, definitely. Well, I think one of the big issues with anime is you're right. A lot of it is that, the same copy paste kind of storylines, character tropes and everything. But when you find that really, really fucking special and good anime, it's like, to me, the reason I'm an anime fan is because it really is able to convey these kinds of stories that you don't really find in other mediums, or it's like really, really, really hard. And I think right now we're at a point where there's so many anime being made that you're right. 90% of it is shit. But there are more and

more like really, really fucking great and amazing shows that you can find on a regular basis, man. This is the most positive I've ever talked about anime on this podcast. I just realized, well, we never introduced William. Yeah, yeah. Really, you don't want to be interested?

Because it means they should know who I am. Oh, true, true, true, true. Is there any anime you do like then? Yeah, what do you like? What are your favorite talk? I really like for Lachmast. Your favorite anime, man. I just, I think that it's, like, if I was to try to get anybody, a brotherhood,

the first one. Yeah. If I had to get anyone, or I've had to convince somebody to watch something, that's probably what I would try to convince them to watch. Yeah, he hasn't watched this. Yeah, it's like, it feels like a very, I don't know, it's just like closer to kind of Western media. You know, in a sense, yeah.

Yeah, I think in a lot of ways it is. Some other shows you like, just list off something that you've watched it. I watched part of Attack on Titan, just sort of kind of, I don't know, I don't really like political stuff. You don't like political stuff. It just turns into like a weird like governmental. Yeah, season two. Yeah.

I wanna watch something explode. Fantasy? Yeah. You just wanna like a turn your brain on that. Yeah. Yeah. I like Gundam. You like Gundam?

Which, that's a whole rabbit hole. Which which Gundam? O.G? I've watched part of the OG. The old, old stuff can be kind of slow compared to like modern. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's like some of the more mainstream stuff, like, you know, Gundam Wing, Gundam Seed, Zero, Zero,

Gundam, Double, Gundam... I'm blooded orphans was really good. Yes. That one, I honestly can't remember the names of anyone. Yeah. There's a lot of them. It's just a lot of Gondon. It's just a lot of gondon.

In a way that would make it intuitive to figure out which one came when. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think the, I think the reason with Gundam is so confusing is that there's just so many of them. So it's kind of like fate in this, I don't mean to bring up fate,

but it's kind of like that way, There's just so much of something that you don't even know kind of like it's overwhelming. Yeah. Yeah, the names don't really help you figure out which one comes up. Well, because it's not numerical.

No. Yeah, but maybe they could have something like resurrection and then not the, the death. Die. And then I'm like, okay, there's some, yeah. Death direction. Death direction. Burial. Okay, so that comes before resurrection.

Yeah. Yeah, I was looking for just a timeline. I was like, just give me a timeline of like when each of them came out because none of them even like time wise in their universe or like the branch of the universe, like the sort of like the side. Right.

The worst is when the release date doesn't match up to the, oh my God, story orders. You're like, oh, this one came out for, oh, no, okay, this was the last one. It's like they're not even time. As a monogatari fan, I feel called out. It's just like, why did you guys choose to adapt this completely out of order?

Well, the thing about Gundam is that, I guess it's like the closest thing anime has, kind of like the MCU where there is like, there is like a timeline, but every story is basically self-contained. Yeah. But, you know, if you have followed Gundam from its lineage back right at the beginning, then there is characters that appear in like other things.

It's like little Easter-Rex and stuff like that. And they like, they seem to almost like take like an old character and kind of bring them back as like the new, like the grandchild kind of thing. Which is, which is, I am surprised that you like Gundam, considering that you were just saying you don't like political stuff. I don't, I don't like that part of Gundy. You're like, so basically,

that's all about it. So that's like saying like I really like Dune, minus the political stuff. So you get partway into Gundam and then I get bored and stop watching it. I don't know if I can say that you're a fan of Gundam. Formula One was all like pit stops. Like what's with the racing?

Wait, okay, then what about, so you obviously just like the big robot's writing. Yeah. Have you watched like Gurin Lagoon? That's, that's basically, Gondon, show me a cover photo of that. My drill will pierce the heavens. You know that one?

Yeah, you're probably seen it. I'm telling you, I don't watch it to remember it. It's funny because you say you don't like political stuff, but you like giant robots and I'm just like, 90% of all giant robot shows are political. Okay, you need like a drop of politics to justify the robot fighting. But if there's an episode where there's no robot fighting,

it's just politics, I'm out. That's filler to me. Did you like watch Code Gios? Do you remember code Gios? Did you like that? I don't remember, but I think I watched all of it. There's a lot of politics in that. But there was also, it was well bad.

There was also John Robles in that. That's true. Any other shows? Evangelion. You like Evangelion? Yeah, I like the, yeah. I went through the guys, the directors, I'm not gonna say any.

Hidiochiana, he'd out of here. It's actually a good way to find stuff. Just go through, like, find something you like, and then go to their Wikipedia and just dig through the entire catalog. I found a bunch of weird. You do something that 99% of anime fans don't do. Exactly.

100% do that. Like go through like the director or any, any, literally anybody that works on these shows, because it seems like they all have like the same aspiration. So if they directed or if they did this or like, like they all have different things they've worked on that. Yeah. They kind of contributed to. I mean, I don't understand why more anime fans do this because this is a normal practice in like, say, the movie industry or, I would argue that they do do it for film directors. Like, you know, if you watch a Hesota Memorial movie or a Shinkai Makota movie, then you're just like, oh, I want to see what other movies they made, but I feel they don't really do that when it comes to TV animations. I guess that makes sense because TV series a lot of times is adapting something new,

but a lot of directors in anime I know have such a unique style. And I guess some of the biggest names have like the most unique style, like Masaki Youasa. Yeah, you might not know his names, but if you've seen his work, you know when you see one of his works, if you watch something like ping pong the animation or The Elf Man Cry Baby or something like that. But same with Hideakiano as well. He's like such a big name in the anime industry. So from Evangelion, I got to something called like the secret of blue water. Yeah. You'll go way back. What the hell? That's a deep cut. She's just like, he's like, yeah. So we found a website because you can't, you like some of this stuff you literally can't watch anywhere.

Yeah. Yeah. Like you can't pay for it. You can't stay. Well, Evangelian, you couldn't watch it for like 20 years legally. It's like free money. It only took like net. to acquire the rights of Evangelion before you could street. God knows how much money they paid for that. Exactly, right? Exactly. They basically, like, you can, like, watching their other, you know, work, it's funny that you can kind of see them as an artist because they kind of get stuck on the same idea. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

And so there was a lot of, like, very sort of linear, like, very, like, very parallel storylines in Secret of Blue Water and Evangelion of, like, this, you know, it's just, it's funny to see that they're almost like, like, like, They've been working towards this one story across multiple completely separate works. Yeah, yeah, exactly. What was the guy who made Bell called? He made the-Marosa.

He made the same movie over and over. Yeah, yeah. He did the Digimon movie and was just like, I'm gonna make Summer Wars, which is just the Digimon movie, minus the Digimon. They're like plagiarizing themselves. You can't, it's not copying you forgot yourself.

I don't know, it's, uh. Well, there's also Mako Shinkai now, who I think after doing your name, yeah, was just like, weather porn, the movie. Let's do it again. Yo, he's got like, rad whimson speed dial. Like, yo, bro, you know I'm gonna need you for the next soundtrack, bro.

Yeah, but what I found that I was the happiest to find, I think like the best one was, we talked about a little bit on our podcast, it's called Memories. Oh my God, Ultimacart Sierra, yeah. Oh my God, that is brilliant. It is so good. So good.

Like the, just the animation alone is like, I have never seen anything like that. Magnetic Rose is, oh my God. I'm sorry, like, are you the only one I know who's seen it? Yeah, I know. Oh my God, even I haven't seen it. I wish they made shit like this.

Yeah. Like, I, I, I, it makes me sad that that is not something anybody wants to put money. It is basically Akira in space. Yes. It's fucking insane. It's so good. When you, you're, you're an anime fan.

You are an anime fan. You're not kind of an anime, man. You're talking about shows even I haven't seen now. Maybe I'm just talking shit about like more modern stuff. Are you gonna, you're going down like the Martin Scorsese? Yeah.

Yeah. This modern shit is anime. What I used to watch was anime. My trash is bad. Let me tell you about anime. Well, I think probably one of the biggest reasons why you don't enjoy modern anime is it seems like you enjoy sci-fi, giant robots,

two genres that really are not thriving in the modern scene. And I don't know why. Is sci-fi just like, has it just gone downhill in general? I think it's just been completely overridden right now, the fantasy genre and then within the fantasy genre, mostly the Issaquai genre. I feel like every, you know, decade or two, it always flip-flops between whether fantasy

or like space and futuristic stuff is. Oh yeah, of course. Right, and right now we're in like a giant D&D boom and fantasy just seems to be like the thing right now. And I'm sure in future it'll swap back to space in like 10 or 20 years. It's like a scope creep, everyone's trying to one out each other. Yeah, yeah.

Our robots bigger, our robots bigger. What they call it the power creep? Yeah, but it's like, yeah. but it's like in the whole genre itself. Yeah, each show has to outdo the other. Yeah, well, I mean, when we had like Guren Lagan, which was literally, you know, a small, small spoiler alert,

although it doesn't really, you know, change the enjoyment of the show, when they literally are fucking using universe, no, galaxies, the shurikins. I'm like, where, there's, there's nowhere to go. They're standing on galaxies to fight. There's nowhere to fucking go from here. And especially, like, you look at something

like Dragon Ball Super and they're like, okay, Goku's the most powerful, being in the universe. Where can we go from here? He's the most powerful being in the multiverse. Okay, but where can we go from here? Well, I don't know now, I don't know. There's a, there's literally no,

no way you can take that. But I guess one of the big things that I've missed is a lot of just old school sci-fi shows. Because I feel like a lot of, I feel like those are some of my favorite types of stories, but it's so, so rare nowadays, not even in anime, just to find like a good sci-fi story. Which is why I've really, really fucking enjoyed

Dune. Yeah, I was about to say they've kind of had to resort to going back to older media and older franchises and kind of just like reimagining it for the modern audience. And again, I think that's why like Dune was so good is because like that's like a story that was probably quite, you know, abundant when it was first around like in the 80s and 90s and stuff like that. But like yeah, now it's like other than maybe like Star Wars, like the new, the new I don't count the three new Star Wars trilogy. Other than that, like I can't really think of like a good sci-fi show that has come out recently. I think it's a lot of work to come up

with like a whole everything and then even more work to try to tell a cohesive narrative. Because fantasy, you can just be like, it's a fantasy world. You know, a guy selling bread and a guy selling apples and everything's been out of show. You don't have to think about the logic of the world as much.

You're like, oh, it's how used to be. Yeah, you can, like, is there a chart of like time versus sort of sexualization of anime? No. I genuinely think that like, that's a great question. I genuinely think that like, that's probably one of the tropes that kind of just helps, like, one of the cheap shots you can take to help retain people. Oh, yeah, yeah. Just don't enjoy it at all in shows. I like hentai. I'll watch hentai.

Well, you know, you know, you know what's... But you know what's funny, actually, the guy who invented the etchy genre in manga and anime. They never said the guy who invented anime. No, no, the guy, or basically the guy who invented like the kind of provotion in anime is the same guy who invented mecca. So, uh, they kind of go hand in hand. Yeah, I actually believe Hideyakiano helped popularize the anime boob bounce. Really? Yeah.

Literally called like the Gynax jiggle or some sort of the Gynax bounce for a while. Yeah. Because one, I think it was like one of his earlier works. What's his other mecca work that he's done? Not that's before Evangelion. Die Buster? Die Buster. Die Buster.

I believe that had like a famous shot with like a boob jiggle. Yeah. He directed that as well. It's like 120 frames per second boob jiggle. It's like, all right, this is the future of animation. You probably seen the high school, the dead one as well. So she shoots a gun and it like goes. I don't think I've seen that one.

Oh, and it goes through the blue. It's like, her boobs are like jiggling and the gun, the bullet goes between. Like, oh, like a gift or something. Yeah, it's a very famous. Yeah, okay, it's stupid. It's so done. But when it's like that, it's like, okay,

now it's so over the top where it's like, okay. It's entertaining again. In the middle ground where you're like, why did you put this in the show? Like fire force? Like, yeah, that just had sexualization in it for no fucking reason. I mean, there's a lot of shows that are like that.

where it's like I thought I would enjoy the show because it kind of dealt in genres that I thought I would enjoy. And then it would just get sideshafted by this random etchy shot. And I'm just like, it feels like immature. It feels like you didn't need that. You didn't need that to maintain my attention for this show.

And it just feels like a cheap shot. It's on Netflix right now in the States. They're like, it's like a meck thing, but there's like a guy and a girl in the Mac. Right. Oh, darling on the Franks. Oh my God. It's like, how can you take your own

story seriously when that just happens, right? It's like doing a TED talk and whipping your dick out, yeah. It's like no one's gonna take you seriously for the rush of the talk. Okay, I would argue that no one should take Darling in the Franks series. No, no one took it seriously.

Yeah, yeah, not even the creators of the show took that seriously. I like, it's the moaning though. It's the moaning when they like lock in, like, gah! Like, I'm reloading my girl. I remember when I first watched Darling in the Franks and they revealed like the piloting system

in like episode two or three and I just fucking burst out laughing. I'm like, no, they did not do this. They didn't have to though, like, why? Okay, too fair, that's Trigger. And they're like, they're just... Trigger never taken themselves out. It's weird talking to someone who obviously consumes,

has consumed, like, a lot of old anime versus, like, I've consumed, I've seen, like, the progression of, I guess, the fan service and sexualization, just kind of, like, having, like, going from there to there. Yeah. Because it's, uh, Darling and Franks was made by Studio Trigger. And after Kill Le Kill, have you seen or heard of Kill the Kill? I think so.

Is that like the talking shirt? Yeah, yeah. The one with the talking clothes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you got it. I felt like after they made that, that, Darling and the Franks just felt like a step down in terms of, in terms of the fans that we chilled out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is weird to say that it kind of like, I guess, desensitized a lot of anime fans because... And yet, isn't it weird that we are openly criticizing Darling and the Franks for being sexual, but then when you go over to kill a killer It's like, yeah, that makes sense. It depends on the show. Like Kill Like Kill Never was meant to be serious.

And neither was Darling in the Franks. No, yeah. There's other shows where you're trying to get me invested in this world and characters in a very serious way. And should it get me to feel like, like, oh, I'm so sympathetic to all that character. And then they start groping each other.

And they were like, what the fuck is there? Yeah. What the fuck was like, it made a little bit more sense. Yeah, it did. Did you ever watch Seven Deadly Sins? Yeah, oh, geez. That's the same thing. That's the worst.

That is it. It's the worst one. It's so unnecessary. He'll just start groping the woman randomly. That's just his personality trait. And it's like, oh, so this guy's, he just molests people. He's just a pervert. Yeah, and that's like his thing.

And we're like, ha, he's, that's so funny and quirky. It's like, no, I hate this guy. Right. How many people, you know, actually, I don't want to. We've asked that question many times. Don't we. We've wondered who the fuck watches that character and likes them.

Because people like that character. Yeah. Yeah, because like, it's, there are Meliotis stands out there. I mean, it's a very, it was a very popular anime and manga. I don't know how many people still stand for it. It fell off so hard. Yeah. It was kind of like fairy tale, you know, or that kind of genre of show where it kind of just like, it got, it's had as a fan base and then it kind of fell off when everyone started clowning on it. Is that in the manga as well? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not just the show. No, no, no. Okay. Yeah. Why would they even add that? That'd be even more. I do. I don't know.

I do. I don't know. It's like, oh, you know what? It's like, it's like, it's kind of boring. Let's, let's just make him kind of a puff. I think that they would add it in if they weren't willing to take it out. Yeah. Well, they, a lot of the time it's, it's, it's, one, it's not seen as weird to have that in. Right. And two, I think taking it out would be just offensive, right, to the author in a way. It's like, how could you ruin his vision? Also, also, I think the reason why just, I know, I know, I know. I also just think like the reason why in general, I don't think we'll ever see the, the disappearance, I guess, of that kind of like perversion enemies, because, you know, Horny 14, 15 year old boys are gonna just keep coming.

Yeah, I mean, they just spawning. They just come over and over. They just come over and they just keep coming. They keep spawning and there's always gonna be an audience for that kind of shit. I mean, there's the population is shrinking. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

That's true. They're gonna have to sort of a track today. I mean, I mean, come on, like, I remember when I was a teenager and I first saw an anime have kind of like this kind of fan service, isn't it? And when I was, 14, I thought to lover was like the greatest thing ever created.

Yeah, I know, right? And I'm just like, that's just like tits and ask a law. It makes sense, you're like, as a fellow 14 year old, I understand this, but then you're like, there's a 40 year old man thinking about this shit and making it. Yeah, he's like, ah, what should I make for the kids? Yeah, I'm a bit of perversion never hurt anymore.

Like, yeah, I like this when I was 14, I'm sure the 14 year olds now would enjoy it. Like, even as like 20 years old 19, I was like, oh, yeah. I don't just watch porn. I mean, I mean, that was the age where you're just like, oh, you just, you just got. of that hentai and porn hubbiz.

That was the moment, that was the moment you're 19 and 20? What, bro? That was the moment your brain switches and you're just like, I need more. A boom jiggle will not suffice for me. I'm trying to think the first anime I ever watched. Like I feel like I have, like,

does Pokemon count? Yeah, but is that I mean, it's kind of like, that's Japanese. I mean, that was like my first one. I didn't realize it was even anime. I thought it was, I mean, I think that was a lot. I think that was a lot. A lot of our first anime, it was either that

or like Dragon Ball Z, which is a lot of people's first anime, especially we grew up in the West. Narito. You watched a death vote? I started watching it. You didn't like it? Can I say it's crap or people get mad? What?

It's not. Explain yourself. I am very smart. Okay. That's what it felt like. No. Yeah. It was like, no.

I thought it was really good. The consensus is that it's pretty good. I thought it was quite intelligent, to be honest. I got through. I don't know, maybe like six episodes or something. And I just, it just, it was like, it just felt like, like trying to. Wait, how old are you when you found it?

I feel like it's as well, would you go. Because yeah, because I feel like if you're under 21, for some reason, it appeals to that, that size is right? I think that's the kind of people that are. I want to be the main character. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's why I was shown in jump, right? Yeah, right, right. Just for that demographic. Like 80 year old,

like, like 17 year old me ate that shit up. Like I was like, oh, of course. Like so, yeah. I want to be this guy. I want to be this guy. so bad. He gets death notes. Dude, he was the original giga chat. Bro, he got like the girls and the abilities. He was a chat and his dad loved him.

Whoa, that's the, insane. Yeah, I mean, just thinking. I tried. Yeah, just, I'm just like thinking, like looking at light now through modern eyes, I'm like, damn, light was a fucking toxic as fuck person, man. He was. Science anime.

You watch Dr. Stone? No, I saw, um, I saw, um, God, what's the time travel one? Steinskate. Steinskate. I like that a lot. Steinskate is great. I mean, that's one of the like classics.

I started watching it years ago. I think I got like one episode in because it's just, I feel like every one of these websites is a bad job like conveying what it is. It's hard to find reviews. Honestly, that's one of those shows where I think it's your best just click episode one. Going blind.

I stopped watching it though years ago. So I got, episode one, I thought it was too stupid or slow or whatever. Yeah. Because it's almost like there's not a trustworthy source for me of knowing if I'm gonna like something. To be fair, the first 10, yeah. I was.

To be fair, the first 10 episodes are quite slow, but I think it's used to just build up enough information and to get you established enough where the second half comes around, you're just like, oh shit. It's also great in English. The English version is amazing. I just watch everything.

Have you watched Psychopass? No. Okay, I think like, just judging from what you've been saying and judging from this kind of shows you like, you love Psychopass because it is a sciophiles, doesn't have giant roads, unfortunately.

Sell the viewers on it, like pitch it to them. I think we've done this before, but do it again. Yeah, do the thing. Do the thing. Do the thing.

I mean, it's a sci-fi dystopian world that is very reminiscent of a lot of classic sci-fi stories. The entire world is based on a system

where you control people based on an emotional score. And there are points where if you go beyond an emotional score, the system deems you as a threat to society, so they will automatically lock you up. Or if you get too dangerous, there's a gun that will shoot you and you will literally explode, right?

You're literally depressed. Yeah, if you literally get, you will literally disintegrate. And what makes it so interesting. Exactly. Exactly. And what makes it so interesting is, you know, they set up this world and the main villain is basically someone who is so in. that he breaks the system by being on a level of insane

that he's almost seen as in the system's eyes as the perfect human being. So that's that's kind of like, that's kind of the main story of psychopass. You'd like it a lot. It's really, really interesting. Yeah, yeah, really interesting. And it delves into some really interesting ideas

about if this society really existed, what would happen to the people in it? How would they act? How would they, you know, change? And how could you break a system like this? Yeah, it tackles moral issues, I think, really, really well to the point where it's like, it doesn't seem tropey in any way. Like, it actually gets you being like, oh, shit, if this was, you know, if I was put in a situation like this, what would I? Right, I was going to say, it's like situation based. Like, here is a problem and then someone has to deal with it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, so judging from now, you'd really, really enjoy that because I can't, I can't think of like another modern sci-fi show that's hooked to me as much as Psychopass has. It's, oh, what about Bacca, not Bacana? Have you seen Bocerana? Oh, yeah, you'd like that. I love that one too. That's Mecca. I always recommend that one. That's Mekker that doesn't have a whole lot of politics to it.

And it's also psychological, so you might like that one as well. We've talked about that a few times. It's really like fucked up. This is just, this is just what anime would William? I was gonna like. I'm okay with fucked up. I sat through Darling and the Frangues and I hate it. That's a different kind of fucked up.

I hate it the whole time. That's a different kind of fucked up. That's just, that's not fucked up. That's just what the fuck. Yeah. That's just trigger going, how can we make everything a sexual innuendo? Okay, let's just make an entire show

and just make it like one big sex. What happened to like steering wheels and like joystick? That's not my mom of my robots to have hand control. When are you gonna make a robot that's controlled by a human? Yeah. That's the next video, right? I don't know what we're doing tomorrow. Oh my God.

Actually, on that, we should probably explain what William does. Yeah, well, what are you doing? on a YouTube channel. I mean, yeah, how would you describe it? Because you make such bizarre things. When a random person asked you,

or a family member who you don't really want to. I honestly, genuinely don't know how to explain it. Because I used to say like science, but we just, we're doing a video about oyster farming. Right. You are.

Can't be there science involved? Yeah, but it's like not, the angle isn't, I don't, dude, I don't know. Engineering. Yeah, no. Engineering doesn't work. The guy who is generally does engineering,

which apparently you guys are also, These two. Yeah. We do you do you two? Are your parents happy? I got the degree. So they were like, all right, if you fuck up, you got the degree. They didn't care that you're throwing it in the trash right now.

I paid for it. They didn't pay for it. Oh, they have no say that. They were kind of like, just because, you know, I was doing YouTube while I was in university. That's definitely the 100% the right way to do. Oh, yeah. I kind of told them, I was like, hey, I think I'm not going to do engineering.

I'm going to try this YouTube thing out. And they were like, are you going to finish the degree? I was like, yeah. And they were like, All right, do whatever you want. Yeah. Yeah. I finished a degree, got a job,

and then after about two and a half, no, three, three and a half years of doing the job, I was like, I kind of hate this right now. Kind of, kind of want to just do YouTube. What's your background? Same, mechanical. Mechanical. Mechanical engineering major and electrical minor.

Oh, okay. Oh, so we both are mechanical. Yeah. I hate it mechanical. Yeah, I mean, it's, I feel like people don't really know what engineering is when they go into it. And they see, they see someone like me who like, like, I like building stuff.

Yeah. And they're like, ah, engineering is like building stuff. And then you go to school and it's like, not building stuff. Does, like, because I think one time we spoke about on the podcast how we didn't really use that degrees, but then it's kind of like,

it's kind of hard to really take that as like, like a whole, because obviously we're a very isolated group of people who didn't use their degree saying, oh, it's useless and it's really easy to say that. Yeah, it's, I think it's complicated because it's like, it's not useless, but, okay, who did you go to,

what would you do? I did, uh, what did I did, I'm not, you didn't do, no, I did, uh, I did, uh, IT, like, design computing. So it's like even if you're not doing IT work, you probably have done stuff in regards to YouTube that involved some of the IT.

I mean, I learned how to video edit through my degree. Yeah. And like audio engineering and stuff like that. Right. So you learn skills outside of actually getting a job as an engineer. Because like if you get an engineering degree, like you're not ready to go work as an engineer.

Like you have to go somewhere and you're going to cost that company money because that's like this useless little blob that they try to form you into like actually doing real constructive work. And so going to school is just kind of like, you know, teaching you, some mads and then some like just, I don't know, maybe work ethic or problem solving skills. I did find like the mindset that it taught was very helpful. Yeah, I mean,

I think like one of the reasons engineering is such a good course just in general is the problem solving aspect. I mean, that's an aspect everyone will use in their lives. And it's about understanding a system and how to kind of like find your way around the system. I mean, regardless, I do use my degree in my job because that's basically YouTube in a nutshell. You know, trying to figure out the algorithm

and how to like make content that appeals to an algorithm. That's a problem solving. It's all problem solving. Yeah. And you know, there's some people who get way more into the analytical side of YouTube. I noticed I've talked to a lot of science YouTubers and you guys are constantly in the analytics tab.

There's a level that's like good and a level that's bad. Yeah. And I think some of the science YouTubers go way too far to the point where they start kind of not quite understanding. Like it's a little bit too robotic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. blame the algorithm as opposed to maybe have a more artistic

or empathetic approach of like, why would somebody be emotionally invested whenever I'm doing? Right, right. And it's just numbers, numbers, numbers. And it's like, well, that's probably not a good road to go down. Yeah. I don't look at it at all because it just stresses me out. Yeah, I have stopped looking at it.

Yeah, I don't look at it. I don't really read comments either. I read like the top three or four. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, nice. Yeah. Nice.

Yeah, I try to check mine about a week after the upload. Because at least at that point, like the honeymoon period is gone. And I could as like, like, you can look at it rationally. Yeah, I can as rationally look at this as possible. Like that's a problem solving perspective, right? Yeah, exactly. It's not going to help to read a bunch of crap. So I'm going to figure out how can I use people's feedback as constructively as possible.

Exactly. Exactly. Did you enjoy doing your engineering degree while you were there? I did. I learned a lot. Like I learned a lot about microprocessors, which is the electrical miner. Because it's like something. I kind of regret not doing anything electrical.

It's like witchcraft, dude. You can, like, if you know how to, is a computer that has, like, can like talk to the outside world, which is basically microprocessors. Modern computers are a little bit funky. I mean, still can't. But you can do anything.

Like you can literally, like, the instant you, like, you can write some code and it turns a light on. It's like, oh my God. I think that's what I didn't really enjoy about doing just mechanical, was that you never really got that. Try, try something and get feedback.

It was always like, here is a concept of how an error foil would react in this. Please use the error foil table, which tells you everything. and use the number. It's so expensive to actually bring that into the real world. Right. And I understand that.

And it's just kind of like, ah, damn it, I kind of thought we do stuff. Yeah. I mean, I don't know, maybe your school just sort of sucked.

We didn't do stuff either, but like that's kind of, I feel like every time I explain anything to people, it's like, the school is not going to teach you to like pick up a tool. No, right. Right.

They're going to do the analytical stuff. Yeah. And for electrical engineering, maybe, or computer science, like you can actually do things because it's free. It's cheap. Well,

free. It's cheap. Yeah. Mechanical stuff is like, oh, you gotta use the, you know, a mill or a 3D printer or this. And even if it's not like actually expensive, the sort of time required is like expensive. That's what I didn't like about electronic and electrical engineering, which is we didn't get to use any cool stuff, you know. I'm talking as a triple E major because I was always jealous of, you know, mechanical engineers or aerospace engineers because they always talk about, you know, oh, yeah, I was in the wind tunnel doing all this cool shit. And I'm like, I don't just go in the wind tunnel. They were too expensive. I wouldn't let us in. Yeah, I was like, I was just in a fucking lab, just like fucking writing code. And I'm light turned on and that was there. And I'm like, I'm like, you guys are doing all the cool shit.

He spent so much time just doing CAD models. And I fucking hate that. What is that? It's like when you build the thing in like, and I understand why, because it literally is just engineering. Like that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You do that for everything. But oh my God was this mind-numbing doing it.

And I was bad at it. I couldn't visualize things in like a 3D space. It's hard. It's really hard. So I was like, this is, this is miserable. And there was some other stuff that I, like, I didn't do it because I was typically doing YouTube.

So I started doing YouTube about second year of, so in the UK we do three years, not four. Okay, I did five and a half. Yeah, normally it's like, well, a bachelor's would be four, right? It's supposed to be four, yeah. So in the UK, it's three. Okay. So second year in I started doing YouTube.

So my free time is gone. But there was this thing that they did where every single university and like some of them in the UK, and some in Europe could build a Formula One car. Oh, yeah, yeah. Here they call FSAE. Yeah, FSA.

And so basically anyone, people from the engineering, people can just all come together and build this car. And they got to actually use all the tools. They got to build things, you got experience with that. Oh, that sounds fun. And I was like, why did no one tell me about that? I would have, like, loved to have, like,

actually got hands on experience. Your school kind of sounds like my school a little bit. Yeah. Where it's just, it's like very, there's not a whole lot of money. I mean, I don't think they're broke, but they just don't invest the money into like creating.

You always hear MIT. MIT's like filled with clubs and communities and stuff. And that's like, it's so many smart, talented people come out of there because not the education is better, but the experiences are better.

Yeah. I think it's the moment you're, at least for me, at least for me, I was gone. Yeah. There was no incentive for me. Oh my God.

Yeah, no incentive for me to stay on the campus and do anything else because there was no other clubs. The only other like clubs that were even related to my field were like, I don't know, weird stuff that were just very, very,

very niche in specific that I was like, my only incentive was to just go to the nearby uni bar and just get shit fast. Yeah, yeah, well, that was nothing here. Would you have joined a club that was like relevant to your field if you have the option? If there was a chance that we could hands on do some stuff, I would gladly do it.

Yeah. If I could use a CAD model and maybe actually get to print something, well, oh my God, that pissed me off. It would have been like, oh, okay, so I can make something CAD, then actually look at it and understand why I built it like this and try again. But I understand that it's expensive.

But nowadays it's not, and so they probably do have them. But like even like relatively expensive, like a printer from, you know, five, 10 years ago, like you could still get something that worked. Yeah, that would be cheap. You know, like the cheap-ass plywood?

They wouldn't even like let us do like the laser cut out. No, like the plywood that costs like one cents a sheet or something stupid. I don't know. I just kind of wish there was more chances to get more involved and get to whatever you learned to kind of visualize it or put something out that so you can be like, oh, okay.

Yeah. Like something tangible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. You start connecting the dots. It's like, oh, if I do this work, I get this thing. Like, I describe everything as tools. Like math is a tool.

Yeah. You don't have to enjoy using the tool, but you are like excited when you use the tool to make something happen. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, I've used calculus, I think, like once in my entire life, actually. And it was literally for like making a motor speed up and slow down. So I could like generate the acceleration of it. And it was like, holy shit.

Finally, I used it. Yeah, exactly. And I know. And I never did it again and I'm okay with it. But it's like, you know you could do it. I know I could do it and understand it a little bit better. And it was like, that felt so good. And it's like, did I enjoy doing it?

Like I've been doing a bunch of stuff recently to, uh, trying to build a CT scanner. Yeah. You know, like the like a 360 x-ray basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like I don't really like doing math, but there is nothing more exciting than like writing some code that has like the math you wrote. And it works. And it works.

And it's just like, I've, I feel like seeing that. final product and seeing that final effect makes it so worth it because if everything's just theoretical, you're just like, well, this is just fucking number. Yeah, there's no return. If I wanted to do this, I'd be a mathematician, you know. Yeah. Yeah. But like, my university had one cool project, which was like, if you do AAA in Bristol University, I hope it's still a thing. In the third year, we had this thing called a buggy project where basically every, you, you know, your class will get split up into teams. So it was a group project, but everyone had to do, like, part of it. Yeah, everyone had to do some part of it. And we had like a buggy that we basically had to

program and a maze that the buggy had to navigate. Like a small car? Yeah, yeah, like a small, like a small RC car, kind of that kind of deal. And it had to like program to run itself around this maze and hit certain checkpoints and get to the end in as efficient and efficiently as efficient as possible. That was the only fun thing I ever did on the course because it was like a cool thing that we all came together for and we could actually see the final result of our hard work instead of just, you know, doing a model or doing, you know, modeling some stuff on a computer or some shit. You like, yeah. And it's like, oh, like, if you can trust these people and they do their thing and I trust,

you know, myself and my team do this and you put it together and it works. Exactly. But like, I feel like the problem with, I feel like that kind of thing needs to be integrated in the course because I know myself. And if there was some cool thing that you could have done with your course that was extracurricular active. in university, I wouldn't have fucking signed up for it. I know I wouldn't have. Yeah, I would have been too late. Maybe not in my 30,

because I was already way to invest in YouTube. Yeah, exactly. But I think there are a lot of people that would. Yeah. Oh, definitely. And I think there's a lot of people in that middle ground who maybe do a specific course, and I think this happens a lot in engineering, where they're in that middle group where they're like,

okay, they're doing engineering, they have an interest in it, but also there's nothing really keeping them, like super, super invested in it. Yeah. And if you could just kind of capture that kind of middle group people and push them towards, hey, look, you can, you can actually make stuff and make a difference. I think a lot of people don't even know that they would be interested in it until you sort of like, if you open that door, if you sort of connect the dot between here, you made a CAD model and then you printed it. And you're just like, oh, oh, yeah. You know, it's almost like it's like, it's like, it's like stifling a kid who's interested in something where it's like, you know, a kid is like, oh, I want to learn about this. And the parents like, no. And it's like for, what, 150 bucks you could have bought him like a Lego set or something like that. And I would have like inspired this. lifelong, you know, like learning. Obsession, yeah, yeah. Like, think of how cheap that is, you know,

like, like, you tens of dollars. I agree. With a school like that. It's an investment. Yeah. For like universities, I mean, they have lots of money. Yeah.

Oh, they totally don't want to. They don't want to hire the people that are required to get people excited about stuff. You know, it's like, oh, we have a machine shop, but nobody can use the tools because you're gonna kill yourself. Did you, I don't know, did you do as well when they make you buy like, they made it me buy,

I remember I was so annoyed about this. I was like, what? They made, and they wouldn't let you buy a cheap version of it. they made you buy a book with like the table of all the thermodynamic, like constants of every material. And I remember it was like, it was something like $100 for this book.

And if you, if you dared bring not the book they recommend, they would like confiscate it off. You just brought back like a wave of memory. Did you have this, this thermodynamic table? Not this book, but just like, I mean, it was same with books.

University textbooks in general. I remember showing up on my first day, I'm like, I'm ready to take on university. I got some spare change. First day you rock up and they're like, this is the recommended. You have to buy them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

Really? These are the textbooks you're going to need and then you look up the prices and it's like minimum, minimum like first edition. It's 80 pounds or some shit like that. And that's one out of eight textbooks you need. I'm like, see, because we had that list as well of like, oh, these are textbooks you'll be using

during your first semester. Yeah. But you don't need it if you don't want it. They don't use them a half of time. Okay, I won't. The end, the thumb and I don't. at least for my exams, if you didn't have that book,

you literally couldn't do the exam. So they wouldn't let you, that you had to have that for the exam. If you went into the exam without it, you have to remember every constant, for every material, every grade of aluminum. Right, right. Aluminum, gross, aluminium.

You know, they would be like different, like, it would be like, he treated aluminium. And then it would be like, this is the constant. And it's like, this is insane. Like, I understand the, you know, like, I just think that, why can't you? Is that something you're supposed to remember as an engineer?

No. No, you can't remember the constant. Well, then why the fuck? Because they're dickheads. Well, they want you to get used to the idea of like, okay, if you're using this material, using like tungsten. You don't need a hundred dollar book to do it, though.

Can you not just Google it? Yeah. In the real world, like a normal person? In the real world, you'd Google it. I mean, it's probably good. And maybe you would reference it once every blue one. I'm sure today there's probably like an app specifically

that just has like a list of it. This book was like additions. I bet these materials weren't changing that much. I'm sorry. Anyone doing any stuff like this is going to have the resources is in the actual industry. Like it's just, you have someone who's gonna deal with material,

someone who's gonna deal with- Every single CAD model, you would put in the material and the type of material it was, and it would do it for you. It wouldn't even, it wouldn't, like, you wouldn't need to know the constant. Wow. You definitely, like there are jobs you have to do this stuff, but it's also like most of the time. It's just like, it's, it's, you pay an absurd amount of money to go to college or university or whatever, and then they greet you with a,

hey, spend another thousand bucks you wanted to use to live on these dumb books. just because we refuse to make it any easier for it, which they could. Yeah. And it's just like, I remember this big pile of textbooks that like I had when I finished my degree and 90% of them were just untouched. They were like in pristine condition.

And I spent like fucking 300, 400 bucks getting this show of textbooks. I'm like, why the fuck did I spend that amount of money? I'm a broke college student. And you can't resell them. Yeah. Because there's additions. Yeah.

And barely anything changes. They rearrange the question. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. What a ripple. Yeah. It's fucked.

All right. Yeah, no, it made me feel bad. I feel bad. Yeah, what do you mean? I'm just realizing that,

like actual scam. It was like legit scam. Yeah. Like, you, I can't believe it. I would, like,

strip the security off the PDFs. Like, I would, like, spend hours and hours trying to find ways to do that, like, finding some Python script

that someone wrote and then, like, and, like, throwing the PDF in there. Like, yeah, I remember I bought one.

I rent it. No, I think I bought it from Barnes & Noble. Yeah, an ebook. then I've used this like Python script I found to like strip all the security off. Oh shit. And then I returned the book back to Barnes & Noble.

And so you had a copy that was clean and easier to use. Did you send it around to everyone? Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, this won't be in. No, this is years ago. Oh, okay. I don't even remember what book it was.

I can't buy it on me. That's good. Yeah. That's genius. I really just like I like doing like making stuff. I think it's kind of like art. Like I feel I always used to laugh at like STEM. I mean,

you've heard of STEM before like science, and then Steam where they like would throw art into it. And I'm like, well, art doesn't belong in here. And then what I think about it, the more it's like making stuff is half art. Oh yeah, because you have to visualize.

Yeah, exactly. Kind of have this like vision for it that is quite difficult. And it's very, very difficult at times. Yeah. And it's like, why else would you want to do something if it wasn't art? Like if you have to solve a problem, that's more engineering.

But if you want to do something, that is kind of artistic. You know, I used to try to make like camera equipment and stuff. So I had like a really crappy like camera slider that was like skateboard wheels and PVC pipes on like little, what are those swively wheels called? You know, like the ones that you have on like office chairs. Yeah, yeah. And so you could like, you know, slide it back and forth.

Get camera moves and stuff. Just like making like equipment that you couldn't afford to buy. That's cool. And like I made a thing, you know, the camera gimbals like the stabilizing. Like before any of like the cheap nice ones from DJ. I came out. I bought one from some kid who had. like screwed it up. So I bought it for like a hundred bucks because he had destroyed it and he was just trying to like get some of his money back. So it's like Craig just bought it from him. Fixed it up. And then I, I programmed a bunch of stuff and added some electronics so that I could have this camera monitor, like, as you pivoted the monitor, the camera that someone else was holding over here wouldn't move. That's insane. And it's like, I didn't need to do that. Like, why did I do that? It's not because I'm trying to solve an actual problem I had because that kind of stuff just like, oh, this is cool. Yeah, I just thought it was cool. And so it's like, you know, that to me made me realize I think that engineering,

like science except is more art. Like I'm trying to like do things that I think are cool and interesting and see if I can solve these problems, which is like not far off from. It's like painting. I mean, do you guys do any kind of hardcore traditional art stuff? I don't.

Have you tried painting before? I think I have negative art skills. I did a little bit when I was young, but I was never good at it. Well, I mean, I feel like most people are bad at it. There's a reason why I don't do it anymore. It's right.

Like any of it's just like no one's, no one's, no one's a, I mean, I'm sure there's a prodigy, but most people aren't good at paint them up. Yeah. the Marvel, you know. YouTube's an art form. Making content, right?

Making content. I mean, I think being able to visualize- I don't make content, I make art. Hey, I think it takes a very creative mindset to be able to visualize a flow and kind of have that mind. Telling a story. Yeah, yeah.

That's hard. People can't do that normally. You do have to, you do need practice. Yeah. The easier it looks like your video was to make, the harder it was to make. And a lot of people don't. Don't understand. Like they think that we are much more talented

than we actually are. It's a lot more head banging against the wall to like get something to be. Don't say that, I was writing on. I mean, I love your, a lot of your videos are very stressful. Like the Mr. Beast one stress me, that I felt stressed watching that one. What's the Mr. Beast one?

Yeah, you wanna explain it? You wanna explain it? I know, do you go ahead again. It's your video. I, so I got a, God, I don't know, it was such a whole thing that I'm trying to like even just compare. This is like trauma.

Sorry, am I digging up trauma? No. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. In, I thought it was like a year ago. They asked if we wanted to make like a subscriber counter for them. I thought it was this and the, uh, the exploding thing as well.

It's both. Oh, okay. So it kind of started. So I was like, yeah, like this sounds fun. Like, you know, it'd be like an introduction to their team and be able to see how they do stuff. Just the clock that, yes, exactly. Mechanical clock that rotates. Right.

Oh, cool. So that was kind of, the initial conversation. And then after that, a couple weeks later, they're like, hey, we're doing this squid game thing.

And I was like, oh, like, okay, like, what do you, what do you want? What do you need? And it was, it was a lot.

And it was, and basically, we needed to build some sort of like squib system to make it look like people were being shot. Yeah.

Right, right. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. So they wanted to replicate a bunch of scenes from the show. Yeah. And in order to do that,

you know, what they do in Hollywood it is they'll have little explosives. I think the actual squib terms for the explosive charge that propels the blood out. But they can use them for dirt and stuff. So you can bury them in dirt and cover them dirt and you get like bullet hits.

So what you do on for budget is you kind of use an air valve. You get like a piece of tube, a sprinkler valve basically a little air tank out of PVC and you can like project blood out that way. But when you're talking 500 people, like there's nothing that exists that can do that. And so we went through this like nightmare process to essentially theory.

like completely synthesized from scratch, a device that could be replicated 500 times in basically two weeks. So, so, yeah, so when you found out about this question, yeah, when you found out about a project, was it two weeks before? Three weeks before. So you've three weeks from the calls. Yeah, so that's the exact.

People think three weeks, they don't really understand what that means. It would take a week just to get the idea together. Yeah. And that's rushing. Yeah. Yeah. So that was week one. Week one was essentially what people think you have three weeks for.

is actually only one week. So you have one week to send something to a company to have a prototype come back. Yeah, because I remember in the video, there's a lot of problems with certain companies wouldn't make certain things. It was a volume, right?

It was a disaster. It was really bad. And it was probably like, I don't, like, I try to be very, like, kind of passive and peaceful when I talk to people about problems. Right. I lost my shit multiple times talking.

You're like, I was actually, at one point, I was talking to someone on the phone. I felt bad. I'm like, I don't know if I'm going too far or not like if I'm just being a total asshole right now but I was like I literally said like I'm fucked you fucked you fucked us and she was like language and I was like what do you mean

language you fucked us like like I'm speaking English like you're more worried like they couldn't fulfill an order or something they just didn't give a shit oh right and then we had sent them like like 10 grand it was gonna be like 20,000 and we had sent the first I think I think that yeah I mean if you spend if you're spending

10 grand yeah and it's like if I sign up for something and you tell me it may or may not happen there's no guarantee. It's going to cost this much money. I'm like, okay, you've warned me. But when you say that you're going to get it done in like three days and then nothing happens,

like how am I not supposed to be pissed for it? Yeah, yeah. You have it every right, too. Yeah. So you had like, you had one week of planning and then two week of, I guess, assembling 500 things.

Well, because there was like an app as well and all that. And that must have just, yeah. I want to ask about it because it seemed like crazy. It was, it was hands down type two fun. It was like one of the worst experiences of my entire life. What's type one fun?

Type 1 fun, I think, where it's actually fun. Type 2 is where it's fun after the fact. Oh, okay. I've never heard of it. I've never heard of that. That explains so much. There's so many things that I know in the moment. I hated it.

That was awesome. Yeah. Is there a type 3 phone? I don't know. I'm afraid. There's sadness. Okay. So you had this company, fuck you.

And then I remember in the video, there's like some family-owned business. So some small family business that's like really understands the whole, like, circuit board making world. they basically intervened and they helped to handle everything because they understand how the whole pipeline works, they understand how to deal with these companies because it turns out like half of these PCB manufacturing companies

are in Denver, Colorado. Right. Like it's almost like an... That's the chip. The board itself. Yeah, where they make the fiberglass and populated with components. Right, right.

So these guys don't make the fiberglass because that's like a very disgusting process and it's like very... Yeah, it's a whole chemical thing. And huge, huge, huge, huge assembly lines. And so these guys essentially helped us to intervene and go to the company that was originally making them, still have them make the fiberglass, because that's the hardest part to make, then intercept them, take them to their small shop where they would then assemble them, which is the whole secondary process. It is such a convoluted process that does not work well if you have not enough time to do it. Like you have to have almost double the time you need in order for it to go.

Was your first question like, why didn't you give me more notice? I didn't ask them any questions. Like I was very blunt with them. That's why I was worried some people would get upset with the, you know, Mr. Beast's team for asking for something so crazy. But it's like they had this problem. And I said, I think we can do it.

And I gave them, I gave them a price. There's a lot of money. And I was like, it's going to cost an insane amount of money. Right. Because everything we do is like, if you buy something for $5, you pay $80 to ship it overnight. Yeah.

Like everything is like balls to the wall, whatever is the most expensive fastest guarantee. Yeah. And I warned them that you guys potentially gonna pay us this money and we're not gonna deliver you something. Are you okay with that? And they said, okay. Well, that seems like a very Mr. Beast thing to agree to.

It's just like money can solve all problems. If you throw enough money at it, it'll fix itself. I mean, that was like the fairest, most honest thing I could tell them was like, I'm not gonna be a yes man or a no man. I'm just gonna tell you exactly how fuzzy it is. Yeah. You want to take the risk. Well, as an engineer, I hear like the three weeks delivery type.

for the fucking scale of this project. I'm like, I would like to see this project be attempted in Japan. She's like, okay, let me send the idea off for approval. You wait three weeks. It takes three months for approval. Yeah, I'm just like, well, we're still waiting for approval, you know.

Yeah, we kind of missed the deadline there. Yeah, the boss is off, you know, fucking another woman. I would wish to never do it again. Like, it was like three weeks, like I am so proud. Yeah. But it was, it was like the most stress I have endured in a world. Did they explain to you how? how they got into this position in the first place

where they needed this project delivered in three weeks? It's just, I want to say TV. There's just like an idea. They were like, I want to get this done. It was like, squid game hype, got to do it now as quickly as possible.

Right, set the deadlines. And it's like, then you look at the show or the episode of Mr. Beast and it's like everybody else who did something similar. Right. Like the giant sets or the bridge or this and special effects. And it's like,

oh, holy shit, you guys. Like, it was crazy. It was, it really was. Yeah. How was it seeing the final result after seeing like what you got involved with and just seeing this like, I think this is the biggest project that's been on YouTube that has, that comes to my mind. Other than, other than Jimmy also doing the Willy Wonka thing.

Whoa. It's all just Jimmy stuff. I mean, it's all just Jimmy stuff at this point, you know. Right. But I think Squid Game was like the first one that really sets the level of what he could do. And like him just like completely leveling up his content. I mean, didn't you say that, that video cost him more money than the entire production budget

of the TV series or something? I think it was, it was very expensive. It was like two, three million dollars, right? Yeah, something like that. I think that it was approaching or it was comparable. Like, it was in the same ballpark. Like, it wasn't exactly the same. I don't even think it was half.

Yeah. But it was much closer than it should have been for a YouTube video. Yeah, for a single YouTube video. Yeah. It's a four or five million, right? I think it was overall. It's something crazy. Yeah, I think something.

I can't remember. What's the production budget for the Squid game? TV series. It was like more. And the, was it not. And the mystery. You can find it. I remember he publicly said

how much it was. Yeah. Yeah, they shared all their. It was like two or three million, if I remember correctly. Yeah. Yeah. Two or three million.

Yeah. One million was. Yeah. No, we should have asked them for more money, but they had already paid. It was the whole thing. Oh,

afterwards you were like, fuck. Well, no, I did ask for more and they gave us more, but I, because we had to spend a bunch more money too. Yeah, I was going to say,

I mentioned that initially, you probably gave an estimate that was very generous, but even then it's like, okay, well, overnight shipping plus all the, yeah, the property with the board companies. Yeah, and it was all, it's also weird, like, being on YouTube and asking somebody

for an insane amount of money, because, like, every, if any other person came to me and asked me about that, I'm like, I would just say no. Like, the only reason I even entertain the idea is because it was Mr. Bees, I'm like, okay, well, if anyone's gonna be willing to pay what it's gonna cost to do this, it's going to do. Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah, yeah. It's like, we had to, like, mobilize people that had, like, Silicon Valley tech companies. It's like, they literally, like, had to do. Mobilize, what are the secret agents? How do you convince someone who works at a tech company who, like, has trouble getting time off to basically play hooky? I know. Sure.

I mean, it seemed like your team was pretty good, though. Yeah. Yeah, we could not have done it. It was very funny. I enjoyed your video about it. I seemed like it. You made it seem a lot more chill than I imagine it was. Yeah.

Yeah. What was it like on the filming day? Like, it was chaos. So, like, the first day went horribly wrong. Right. It threw the whole day away. It's not in the video. I didn't put this.

the video. Oh, really? Yeah. And I'll know, we'll just, we've got some sneak, yeah, information. So like, there's a whole day that that went wrong, that they threw away, and they ended up paying all the contestants, like an additional, I don't even remember how much it was. It was like, I think, a thousand bucks each or something like that. Jesus. But what went wrong on the day? It, the pacing was messed up because we had built a, the Squib system. And there was another company that was supposed to do motion detection. And I had, I had, like, I had warned them. I had tried very much to warn them of like, I don't think that it should be done like this,

but it was too late because they'd already pay these guys. And the way we like meshed the two systems together was not good. Oh, so just didn't. So the reason, oh, so the first day, the reason why it went back, like it wasn't used because the whole system was just broken. It was, it was not broken,

but it was a pacing issue that Jimmy wasn't happy with because it felt like a show, not a competition. Because he wanted to be like real time. He wanted to be like, oh, like, you know, green light, go, everyone runs red light, light stops and then it's like people start popping. Yeah. So what was,

yeah, it goes on. Yeah. So what was happening was they would say green light, red light, and then it's like this guy, that guy, that guy, that guy,

that guy. And it's like 30 seconds, 45 seconds, like a minute later. And it's like, okay, pop up. And so it's like, uh,

just the dysfunctional. Like it just, everyone's like now holding still, trying to hold still. And they're saying, oh, they're moving this. And so it just,

you know, I mean, they did everything really. quickly three weeks. But I would argue wouldn't those like 30, 45 seconds of silence be cut out of the video anyway? Yeah, but I think that Jimmy likes it to be realistic. And it also just kind of, I don't know, it could be a weird energy if everyone is sitting there. I get that. I can see why you'd I guess so. Yeah. I mean, that's got to be an expensive decision though to push it back. Yeah. So what was the solution in the end? The solution was they basically scrapped that entire other system that

they had already paid for. Oh, wow. Then we, we were lucky because we had developed the iOS. app, which also wasn't even supposed to be a part of the original planet. Just like that's a whole like almost cool. Well, one of my friends' friends like heard about the project and he started just sort of making this. For fun or just kind of for fun? Yeah. And I saw it and I was like, yes.

I want a friend that just makes iOS for us for fun. Well, it turns out it's like YouTube and Mr. Beast and money are a very good way to get people excited about. You can pay people to do something, but you can't pay them to get excited about it. Yeah. That's true. That's true. And that's like, it's, you know, people get kind of upset about that sometimes of like, oh, I'm here to work so that I can pay my bills. And it's like, I get it. But also, if you are excited about something, the work tends up, you know, ends up being. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's better if you invested in it. Yeah, it's better than be passionate. So the app fixed all the problems. So we scaled the app from like six iPads to 100 iPhones. And so literally we like maxed out the developer account or we were just like, we spent an entire night just programming iPhones over and over. So it's like USV. You. You do. You. did all this in one night after just-

A few hours, yeah. And then you, okay, here's 100 iPhones. So there were 500 iPhones because everybody originally was wearing an iPhone all the contestants. And that was supposed to be the motion detection. But the problem was they started dying. Yes.

Because you were filming so long. Yeah, because I'm listening to this. And I'm like, yeah, we had an issue with our go-pros on bikes because we kind of just hoped that if you strap portable battery and it charges the GoPro, then it would work, which worked perfectly.

But there are some issues that you just can't, like, predict. Yeah. When we were filming our drifting special, our GoPro's were just overheat because it was so hot. And we just didn't have a solution. So there was nothing you can do. I don't even think they sell something that can handle that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So just thinking, like hearing this story and just thinking, yeah, we're just going to, like, make a tech solution in like six hours and just kind of hope that it doesn't, that it works on this $3 million dollar, video, I'm like, there's, there's like, part of me, like, all of me is like stress right now. And I wasn't even part of the, part of this project. Where the people just like, you know, because obviously they want to know when it's, when it's going to work? Where there are a lot of people being like, hey, William, when's it

going to be fixed? Yeah. So I, I, basically whoever like our liaison there, he's great. Yeah. And he gets it and he trusts me and I trust him. And so like there's really good communication there where it's like, I'm, I'm going to be as literal as possible. Like, I'm not going to be funky. I'm not going to hide anything. But there's a lot. But there's lot of people who kind of are more TV-minded. And I, at that point, I had such a short temper. From all the stress. Yeah.

That I was like, the instant, like somebody came, like, any of their guys came to any of my guys and they were asking stupid questions. I would just, like, I think they learned, like, don't, do not, do not. What kind of things with that? It was just like, oh, like, when's it going to be ready? When's this? Oh, my God. And I'm like, I look at them as like, you guys, like, right now, you ever seen

the videos of like a raccoon in a trash can? Yeah. And they open the lid. It's like it's stuck and it can't go anywhere. So it's like gets really aggressive. It's like you've trapped it. That was me. Or it was like,

I am trapped in this, this environment of having to make this thing work. I don't give up if you have to wait 30 minutes. Like, I don't give a shit. How much money it costs you? Like, go away.

I just, I just realize is it ready yet is one of the most asinine questions to ask. It's like, if it was ready, I would fucking tell you. It's the equivalent to, are we there yet. Yeah.

Or it's like, why you ask you not? Chris is, what you do it again? Yeah. Depends. How much are we talking? Immediately, I'd say no.

Flash before his eyes for that moment there. I would say no unless I... The idea was exciting. The idea was exciting. And it would have to be a little bit more time. Like literally one extra week would have made a huge difference. Because there's just something about like,

if you have too much time, you'll drag it out. And if you have too little time, it's going to be a nightmare. Like, there's a sweet. where like you can start panicking at five weeks and you'll get it done. Right. Yeah. If you have five years, like, why are you gonna rush?

Yeah. It's true. Just like hearing the story, it actually like gives me anxiety. It's like, it's like, you know, like, you know that feeling where you've got a, you've got a deadline the next day and you haven't started your dissertation until the night before. It feels like that, but just for like three weeks constantly. Like the crushing feeling of knowing it can't be done. Yeah.

I was at home, I think for like only a couple days that whole three weeks. Yeah. I think 11 flights or something. Where were you go? I flew up to San Francisco, flew to Texas, Florida, Florida, North Carolina, yeah. Yeah.

I think I would actually get like nightmares. Just like, I just wake up in a cold square. I was like, oh, Jimmy's got a request. I was probably sleeping like four to six hours every night, which is not a lot. Like I sleep every night. It was rough. I mean like you guys make, you know,

like bigger videos like when you have a goal to go do something. Like imagine like when you're doing a video, failing is okay for the most part. because, you know, if I'm trying to do this and, you know, oh, like your car breaks down or something, like that's part of the content. But there's something horrible about engineering where not just engineering, but engineering from like a practical perspective, not a YouTube perspective where it's like 500 of these have to work. Yeah. It's not like my video where I can make it work. And if it stops working, I stop filming and I fix it. And then I do like, these have to work. They have to work. Yeah.

And it gets to a point where you involve in a project like this and it's very, very, very different from just making your own video because you realize there's so many different moving parts. Whereas if your moving part doesn't work, then that affects everyone else's things, but they've been working on. And it's just, oh. And then you're like,

I know how much money they're spending on this. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, I'm not gonna be the guy that ruins it. This is my senior design project in college was this UAV. It was like an airplane that we were supposed to fly and you're supposed to look at targets on the ground and yada, yada.

And there was like 60 people on the team. It was way too many people. Right. So I built this whole, like, image recognition system. And it was supposed to like, I never programmed it because long story short, it turns out if the plane doesn't fly because the team that was supposed to make it fly didn't do a good job, then what's the point of all the work I do? You know, so it's like, I'm not going to be the guy.

Yeah. That doesn't allow this video to take off. Exactly. Not going to be me. Do we know actually how much money was spent on that video? Yes, apparently 3.5. That sounds right, yeah. 3.5 million.

So we weren't even right. It was 3.5. I thought it was like 2. and five and shit. How much was actual Squid Game? Uh, 21.4. Yeah, and when people were like, oh, I'd cost more. I'm like, what are you talking about?

Yeah, it's still a lot of fucking money for a YouTube. Yeah, still a lot of fucking money. I know, I know, but if you were like, oh, it's better than the, because people would be like, they were so excited about it being from a YouTube, they're like, it's better than Squid Game. And it's like, nah, come on, man.

It's different. This is a different thing entirely. Why are you getting, I don't know. You know how sometimes you have a nightmare where you like, you go to school and you're naked or some shit or you're like, haven't prepared for this homework.

just like wakes up and just like, just wakes up to a fake phone call with Jimmy or something having like a request. You're fired. So I actually, we filmed a video with him. So we did the subscriber counter, which I don't think has been published anywhere. I'm not, I'm not making a video,

but I'm not doing another project for him. Like, I was just like, nope, just gonna do this thing. Yeah. I'm not gonna document it. Yeah. But I asked him if I could like make a video where I live with him for 24 hours. And he said yes. Oh wow.

Oh, okay. to spend a full 24 hours like going through exactly what they do every single day. Right. And got to sleep in his, uh, his bedroom. That's funny. Uh, and it's definitely like, there's a lot of like chaperoning where it's like, you gotta be here, you got to be here. Like his phone's always going off. Like people are always like asking him for feedback

about stuff. And it's like, it's a lot. Like I definitely, you know, it's a whole thing. You get anxiety just being near it. Yeah, kind of. I think at the end of the day, I would not trade places with them. No way. No way. Like, absolutely not. So what did you do in this one 24 hours? Just everything you did. When is it coming out, the video? I don't know. I noticed that when I spoke to you, you are like, yeah, editing, it takes a while.

It does, yeah. Because you still do you or editing, right, and everything. Yeah, I've been having somebody help me, which has been helping a lot. Like, I think that I just, I don't know. I mean, I don't know how you guys edit. But, like, for me, it's like, I try to, like, figure out, like, the best way to make it work. Yeah, I mean, they don't edit. I used to and then I found why would I do it? I did the opposite.

I used to not. Oh, see, because I was like, I am a bad editor. And there are people who are very good at it. I'm a bad editor. I should just get the very... Until it makes sense. Yeah, I mean, I still edit everything I do and it's more of just, I think, I've just realized

that 90% of this work was, like, there are some things I really value in terms of my editing in terms of like how it portrays my personality personality and everything like that. And I realized that was only about 10% of the video maybe. So I can get someone else to do the stuff that I hated doing, which is just cutting down this timeline and getting this into the timeline and finding the present store. Yeah, and then I could do the fun parts.

Yeah. So sorry, Alan. That's what I'm trying to do, but like one of the things we've been thinking about a lot recently is like why are people watching certain things? Like what is it about a video that gets people? Like, why do people spend time watching it do video? Yeah. You know, so it's like trying to analyze...

Well, I, you know, so it's like, you know, I'd never really understood Twitch for the longest time. And then I realized like, oh my God, I drive to school every single day listening to like a radio talk show. Yeah. That's exactly the same thing. Like literally exactly the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. And so now you can just see the face.

Right. Yeah. And I think that when I like try to think of why I watch videos, it's like, I like, I like stories. I like sort of interesting, you know, facts. I like, like, like, like motivation and purpose. And so we've been trying to like figure out how do you, like, you know, like, I like, like, become, like how do you make the audience understand that motivation and purpose before getting into a video? Like, why are you doing what you're doing? You know? Yeah. Why should they stay to the end?

Yeah. How do you get like, what's your creative process in terms of like making ideas then? Because it feels like your videos now are so varied in terms of ideas. Is there like, do you just like come up with a random idea? Or is it like an entire process to be like, this would be an interesting story to tell? So sometimes it's, this would be an interesting title thumbnail, like, I think this title thumbnail would work well. Because that's something Mark Roberte taught me a long time ago of like, if I can't imagine the title thumbnail, I won't film the video. We've said this as all.

Yeah. And that can be really frustrating as, I guess, like, the artist side of things of like, but I want to do this thing, but I don't know how to tell people, how do you convince people to watch a thing, you know, and everyone will tell you like, oh, that sounds interesting. And it's like, it's easy to say, but actually, you know, clicking on is a different story. And so that's, that's something where, you know, I'm like, what, what? what tends to work well, if anybody's trying to do YouTube, is what is an actual problem you actually have that you can fix?

Yeah. That works really well. Like here's an issue in my life that will most likely relate to other people. Yeah. And that's going to do two things. It's going to help establish why you're doing it. And it's going to tell them why they should get to the end of it. Do you need to go to the doctor if your CT scan?

Are you putting it off? That's what I did. I did an extra. I love the extra. I did because I actually spent days. Like I was planning on doing an x-ray video before I went to the hospital. Right.

That video scared a lot of people there, right? Yeah. Because they were like, X-ray. I mean, it's not good, but it's not that bad. Okay, hold on, hold on. Break that there. Great, what do you mean? So I'm not a radiation expert at all.

So I think I'm the right guy for the job. X-rays are ionizing radiation, which means that they can damage your cells, which can cause cancer. So statistically speaking, if you're exposed to more ionizing radiation, you will have a higher chance of getting cancer. If you get on an airplane, you're being exposed to ionizing radiation. If you work on an airplane, you are regularly being exposed to ionizing radiation. An x-ray is pretty much in the same ballpark as taking flights.

So if you work as like a stewardess or a pilot, you are being exposed to way, way, way, way, way, way, more radiation than whatever that video was. I didn't know that. Yeah. Which is a little terrifying. We've gone on a lot of flights. No, this is about they fly. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. I took my Geiger counter on a flight

because I wanted to like, no. And I was like panicking, I had to shut it up because it was like, like, beep, beep, beep, beep, be. Yeah, yes, it was going, ape shit. Now, I was like, it sounded like a bomb was going up and I was like trying to figure out

to mute it really quick. Oh my God. I'm like sitting on my seat and everyone around me. It's that bad, yeah. But now you make me scared of flight. You know, I put my sinful out, literally. Sometimes there's some knowledge that you don't need to know.

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person over one normal day is 10 microceiverts. Okay. A flight from New York to L.A.'s 40 microceiverts. Okay. Where's the answer? Just existing, you get background radio. A dental x-ray is five microceiverts. What, less than the average day that you get? Yes. Oh. And the plane is 40? 40.

So it's like dead in five of those, I suppose. Yeah. Huh. So then a chest x-ray is 20 microceiverts. So it's half a plane. Yeah. Half a plane. Far out.

So if you sit on a plane from L.A. to New York, that is... You're getting two x-rays. You're getting two chest x-rays. Okay. What's up on that list? By the end of trash T's tour, we're going to be like glowing. I'm gonna have like a third arm. Conn's gonna transform into the Hulk.

The EPA's yearly release target for a nuclear power plant, 30 microceiverates. Well, just being at working at the plant. So I think it's, I think so, yes. I think it sounds like it's very strict. Basically can't have any radiation leaking from a power plant. Would that be 30 a day? Yearly.

Oh. It would be released. I'm not really sure exactly what that means. 30 yearly? No, every year, 30 microceiver. Jesus. It just gets worse and worse, too, when you get, because it all depends, I think, on, like, where the x-rays are going.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It can be really bad and whatnot. But long story short, it's not that bad. I think eating one banana is 1.1 microceiver. So, if you ate 50 bananas, that's one dental x-ray. I mean, yeah. Fuck, that's what I'm my daily diet. Yeah, I'm taking a dental x-ray every day.

I should just, I should just x-ray my eye. So X-raying your hand wasn't that dangerous. But people were freaking out. I remember in the comments, people like, what the fuck? Yeah, and I talked to someone I went to high school with is a, like, basically like a radiation kind of engineer for medical equipment. And she basically said like, it's not a big deal.

I'll just text Michelle, I'll let's try myself right now. Yeah. But. Disclaimer, it is not good. It's not good. Please don't do it at home. Please don't go out and go buying x-rays. It's like drinking alcohol.

Like, would you ever tell somebody that drinking Alcohol was healthy. No. No. No. But alcohol is like, you know, Pete, that's, I think it's because it's, like, you can't see it.

Yeah, it's scary. Yeah, I don't know what's happening. Like media too has built it up. Oh yeah. This crazy cancer cause. It comes from space. Yeah, I mean, that led into the video about you getting like hate comments as well,

which I thought was amazing. Yeah. And a lot of- I got mad at that one. Of course they're gonna get fucking mad. Like about everything. Even like friends I know who don't watch a channel. Yeah.

They, they, who are YouTubersers, watched that video. Yeah. Because I think it's something that a lot of people in the industry or field can relate to a lot. Have you ever seen this video? No, I've seen it, yeah. Okay, well, it's, explain the video.

So I had done very much a new when it comes to your channel. That's fine, it's fine. I had done a video in the past where I like, kind of looked at hate comments or reading comments where it was like, I think buying, when I bought a Battlebot. Yeah. And some people, I knew it was gonna drive some people from that.

And so I took some of those comments and kind of made a humorous video And I'm like, oh, I did the x-ray video and got the same thing. I was like, I'll do the same thing. But I, someone was pretending to be an expert. And so I basically reached out to them. And I kind of made them talk in a way that revealed they were not really that much of an expert. Because I've had a lot of interactions online related to like engineering and safety, which are kind of frustrating.

Because like, some of the safe would do stuff is like not super safe. but not crazy dangers. I'm probably a lot safer than most people think. Like I remember long ago, I made a video where I was testing safety glasses with my laser cutter. And there was a comment talking about not having to wear safety glasses around laser cutter

he works with. But like what the guy was completely missing was that the laser cutter I had uses like a mid-range infrared light. And the laser cutter he was using is like a near IR. It's like near IR will go right through your cornea. Whereas the mid-range will like basically

stop at your cornea. I mean, it'll still burn the crap out of your eye. But yeah. And so you end up with like, people are very willing to communicate completely like wrong information, which is terrifying. In a confident tone. Yes, exactly. It's like, you know, you're talking about something like like blind people. Yeah. And it's like, no, you don't need to do that. I don't word to do that. I don't do this. And it's like, oh my God. And I remember like, you know, replying to him. I don't really, I don't reply to comments. I was years ago. And I said, like, are you talking about like fiber lasers? Like this is really different. And it's like, oh, yeah, I didn't. I guess I guess that that's not. And it's like if somebody read this. They're gonna-

I was like, oh, okay, I guess I don't need to. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. So I get really frustrated sometimes seeing like the kind of like the technical talking. People just say you think, I mean, that's what I do on the podcast. I just say shit that I'm confident about that is completely wrong. Right. Yeah. I mean, we all do that. All three of us do that. Of course, yeah. We've done that plenty of times.

I'm like, I'm incredibly paranoid about doing that. I don't know why other than like for safety stuff explicitly. Like I do not like saying certain things. I can understand a lot more with when you're making stuff and safety stuff that you We take that a lot more serious. Yeah. If you say the wrong thing about an anime series, it's not a life or death situation.

And our audience knows not to listen to us. Fucking clowns to begin with anyway. But I guess we'll view all expertise in how your content is like, what your content is about. I can see why people would, I guess, pay more attention to that. Right.

Yeah, there's a bit more severity to, you know, saying the wrong thing, I feel. So I try to put disclaimers where it's like, I'm not an expert or I think this is how it works. Yeah. Right, right. That way it's kind of like here, I'm going to fuzz it a little bit. This is what I'm pretty sure how it works, but also, you know,

I've been on the internet for a couple hours researching it. And I think, you know, like for the CT scanner, I think I've watched maybe like four hours of college lectures about CT scanning and like computer topography. And it's like, does that make me an expert? No. But I also wrote a Python script that does, you know, CT math. So it's like, where do I fall? I don't know. Well, I've always actually wondered, actually, because talking, talking to you and talking to a lot of people on safety.

and a lot of people were involved in this type of YouTube. It seems like you guys are more than anyone else in YouTube willing to risk safety to make good content. What is your line? Because we had Nigel on last week, and that was just kind of like interviewing a serial arsonist. I also wanted to ask you, like, I'm not the most dangerous YouTube.

I'm like, who is the most dangerous? The most dangerous? I could probably, so there's a right. Okay, so here's the thing. When we do stuff, because we're talking about it. I love that. We are always aware of the risk.

And we're not going to put ourselves in a situation where we're like knowingly doing something really bad. And a lot of times people will see something that is dangerous. And then that's like immediate panic where it's like, oh, there's high voltage or oh, there's this, that's dangerous, that's dangerous. And it's like, you know, what? Like, how do you think they made helicopters?

Yeah. What do you mean? What do you mean? You think they just built a helicopter and it worked the first time? I was like, I thought you were alluding to some horrible helicopter-based accident. I shit you not. There's this horrible,

amazing video of the guy who's like piloting one of the first helicopters. It's like vibrating and it like bounces him out of the seas. And the rotor kicks him and like launches him. And he's like totally fine. That's what they said at least. He's paralyzed, totally fine. Apparently he kept flying it. Maybe I could be wrong.

I remember it. I'm not an ex-boy. As an old video, I'm pretty sure that he could die. There are some videos to see on the inside, like some of the compilations of like near-death compilations on YouTube. And they're like, disclaimer, all of these people are fired.

And I'm like, can I get a source for that? I see some of these clips and they definitely don't fucking look fine. Have you heard of the Ford Pinto? No, no, no. Like one of the big issues with, you know, car manufacturing back in the day. I think it was like the 70s or 60s.

When they get rear-ended, the doors would jam so it would compress the frame. Oh, yeah, the crumple now, right? Yeah. And so you couldn't open the doors, and then they would also like catch on fire. Right. And so the decision was to pay out the claims

as opposed to fix the design flaw. That, to me, is a huge no-no when it comes to danger. Like, I'm not going to put other people's lives in danger unless they understand what we're doing. So I'm willing to put myself in danger. I'm willing to put, you know, like Kevin, the backyard scientist, Nigel, Alan, Pann, to them in danger,

but also at the same time, they are well aware of what the danger is. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're educated on the stuff right as well, so they all know. Yeah, so what is your line, I guess? I would be mortified if I hurt somebody out, like who was not in that kind of.

Right, right. So if you chopped Alan's leg off for something, you'd be like, oh, well, you know, at least we got the shot. We probably wouldn't get far enough into something to actually drop, unless it was like a horrific accident. Yeah.

So like when we, we did this car video recently, I saw it was very funny. Yeah, it was great. Took me like six months to edit that one too. And we like, you know, basically cut the frame of the car apart, take the roof off, and we drove it around town. And it's like we're going 30 miles an hour. Yeah. For a couple miles, it's like not a big deal.

Yeah. Like what's the worst that happens? The car just goes like, like, and then comes to like a grinding hall. So that I'm not too worried about. And like, nothing happened anyways because like if you cut the roof off of a car and it falls apart because of that, I mean, the car was clearly not very strong. Yeah. That's the car's fault.

Like, imagine, imagine somebody, like, hits the top of your car and all of a sudden structural integrity. Like a lunaticunes. Cut the wings off a plane. If it doesn't fly, well, that's the kind of the plane. So who is the most dangerous? The most dangerous that I can think of off the top of my head right now

is this Russian channel called Creosan. Of course it's Russian. All right, well, that's like a cop-out answer. It's Russian. They're insane, and it's amazing. Or maybe they're Ukraine. I don't really know. It's like an example.

So they go to like Chernobyl. They've gone to Chernobyl a bunch. Yeah. Okay. And just sort of done things there that like, like I think that I'm pretty sure they snuck in. I think they snuck into like a Russian like the Russian space shuttle facility. All right.

Which is like super guarded. And it's just like this like rotting corpse of a space shuttle. Yeah. But like the Russian one. Right. And it's just on YouTube. Yeah. And like there's like security and stuff that they're sneaking past and like they panic when

when they like crawl up in and everything. So they're like. climbing on, you know, ancient scaffolding that's like not been taking care of it all. And it's like at any point in time stuff could fall apart. Jesus Christ, don't really make me anxious and I'm watching. I don't really fear for your safety at any point. I mean, the video got posted.

True, true. True. Some other people are like, oh my God, what the fuck. This could go very wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I definitely place stuff up too. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you do for the content.

It's in the same. It's good content. Like, we built the X-ray machine. Like, the first time we made it work was actually me and Kevin, the backyard scientist. So we were in my garage. We put it together. hooked it all up. And then what's in the video is essentially me kind of like going through the process again. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's really difficult to try to film a process like that

in an entertaining way. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like I already knew what I was doing and what looks dangerous, like it's not not not dangerous, but it's also being kind of done in a safe enough way. Right. Yeah. Where I'm not like getting my hands in there. I'm not getting too close to it. It's like every time I turn that thing on. I know it's on. And when I'm done, I'm done. I ground it. Like it's being very, very step by step, very procedural with like I'm not going to put myself. Damn. Illusion broken. I can never watch that video the same way again. But it really just is, you know, it's just entertainment. Yeah, of course.

Yeah. What's the most dangerous thing that has happened? That dog seemed very dangerous. But I did a thing, though. That one, you're helping. Yeah, so that one is. Do you want to explain the video? I mean, you made it, sort of.

They just strapped a machine gun to a, like a Boston Dynamics dog. A discount Boston. Yeah, a discount. I was kind of disappointed. It wasn't the legit one. That company's so mad at him. Oh, really?

I'm not surprised. It's really funny. They're sending him DMs because he tried to buy one a while ago. Right, right. So they're sending him DMs of like, oh, we like your video.

Could you tell us the serial number of your robot again? We'd like to outplay this off. It's like, they're like trying to shut the robot. Right. Right. Well,

it's going to become like, it's got a taste of guns. Yeah. It can't be quenched. Yeah. It's sentia now. Like, what we're shutting it down

achieved now? What was it got you? Yeah, basically. Yeah. Piece of shit. Don't, Don't use a gut, good dogs. Because nobody wants you to do this because it's bad.

But the thing is, like, that video, I think, like, I'm really glad. Like, I like, I like, you know, I don't know. I feel like engineers are like, I like, I like, I like the idea of all that stuff. But there's something that you need to be able to describe to people like black mirror. Like, this is a real possibility and you need to be like, do you want this to surprise you? Yeah. Or do you want somebody to be like taking shortcuts to try to show you that this technology is basically possible? Yeah, yeah.

I didn't watch that video thinking, oh, wow, they're sort of. is responsible putting a gun on a dog. Like the military is gonna put a gun on a dog. They're actually, yeah. I mean, they're putting it on the dog, regardless we want it. We should just, you know, should be aware this is gonna happen.

And so it's like, is that scary? The military is gonna put a gun on this dog. 100%. I guarantee they- Send out the dogs. You haven't seen it, but I... Who is in the set that's like, World War III, we do not know

what kind of weapons they would be using. It was high-star. It's just a bunch of Boston Dynamic dogs and guns on them. It's like 2070. You see the hill, you like, there's like a shot of like the hills and just like a-

Who they go? They're like, it's saving private Ryan just in the American The red coats are coming. Yeah. Is putting a gun on a dog any different from putting bombs in a UAV?

Like really, like, it's the same thing. Yeah. It's just scarier because it's a dog. It's terrified. It's like, that's a thing I like. I had two safeties on it. So I had two remote controls. One of them was controlling

a servo to pull the trigger. The other one literally interrupted the power to the servo. So I could disconnect the servo power. It's not even like a signal or anything. It's actually just straight up cutting power to the servo motor. So if that was disabled, nothing would happen. Right. And I had two of them.

And so I had to turn one on and then turn the other one on. And it's still scary. Because you at some point, you have to load the thing and then walk away from it. And in that time, like that's like, I don't know. Like that's where things go wrong. If somebody's going to go wrong, that's where it's going to go wrong. Yeah. It seemed crazy.

Because when I met you in LA for the first time, you're telling me about this idea and I was like, this is insane. But also, sounds really interesting. It was cool. I'm glad we did it. That's where I met you and you offered to lend the microphone

to the trash taste. Yeah, so you, I mean, you basically saved trash taste. Thank you very much. Thank you. You're welcome. We wouldn't have an L.A. arc if it wasn't for William. We didn't want the cameras because they weren't high enough quality.

No, because we already rented cameras. I need 4K. Why do I sound like all of a twist? Well, we let you lend our setup and you're like, oh, we want to film in 1080. I'm like, why the fuck do you want to film a 1080? It's less footage. Easier to edit. It looks awful now.

It's, you guys are the trash flavor podcast. You're afraid of a bad. You're the garbage flavor. What do you mean? It's blending together. I can't. We got a DMT. Even trash taste as standards.

There's only two. You can't take this. Make us a robot dog or we're suing you. Why? Why does that as if garbage flavor was the first one to come out? It was like, we started it. You guys are just trash taste. Did people send it to you?

How did you see it? Did you? No, we got a few funny comments. Yeah, we got some memes out of it. Yeah, we're like, we don't even know who are. Like, who? Who's stealing our shit? Yeah.

Do you remember like back in the day with FPS Russia? That's probably like the most dangerous, like content I've seen on YouTube. Oh, that's one very famous clip of the truck exploding and like the shrapnel like going right past him, the giant door. Oh yeah. Kills him.

Yeah. Yes, I've seen that's like the worst one, but there was several times, like it's caught on camera where you can see exploding shrapnel. One of them was, I think, was like a fridge door or something. Oh, I think I've seen that one. Yeah, there's a fridge door and there's a truck.

Nothing, nothing, nothing. Nothing. Yeah, and you can literally see his life almost ending if he just stood a few inches to his left to his right. And I'm just like, how, this is the, this was the real wild west of YouTube, man. Holy fuck. Have you ever watched gun YouTube videos? Yeah.

I remember FPS Russia back in the day, yeah. That was like, that was it. Nowadays it feels less tame. I've seen some videos of stuff, and there's just one video of the dude getting his eye blown out from a 50 Barrett caliber or something. It was crazy.

What? Yeah, on YouTube, you know. Oh, yeah, the guy, like the gun explodes. Like knockoff ammunition or something like that. Yeah, like flies back and like, he's like, his dad like saves his life or something. I couldn't really give me. That one's YouTube?

You don't watch see the explosion. I don't think it's super graphic, right, right, right. But you know it's bad. And he essentially goes, he does like a whole breakdown of like what happened with us. It's a really interesting video. It's a good watch. But like it's still, even like the stuff that they do nowadays

doesn't seem really as crazy as like what FPS Russia was doing. No, YouTube gets super... That man was a YouTuber through and through. Because have you seen the interviews where people ask him about, like, about they feel dangerous? And he was like, so if you didn't know, FPS Russia is an old school YouTuber who it was this, Russian guy who basically just tested guns and just shot them at things that exploded until

afterwards it came out that he wasn't Russian at all. He was an American guy. He was saying how he got that license that lets him to buy any of the crazy guns. Yeah. Wild. You can do it. Yeah. Where's a William Oswald?

I looked into it. Really? Yeah, because I was curious. And they're like, because I'm like, wait a second, because machine guns are outlaw. They're outlawed by like, I think Reagan in 1984. Yeah. And that was not a total. on them, but just created very strict rules around them.

Right. And still do it. And there's a couple ways of doing it. And it's a whole nightmare. And it's why nobody, not many people do it. Doesn't, is, I thought, I was under the impression that YouTube, if it, like, had gun in the title or had gun they definitely don't like it.

It would, like, demonetize it. Yeah, I don't, I just don't do any videos. I mean, like, someone like FBS Russia, aside from what happened to him, couldn't exist in this, this, no, this in no way. Yeah, because like, I was saying, like, when you go back to his interviews and people, asking, were you scared? And he was like, well, yeah, me, I can't remember his real name.

I think it's like Nick or something, something like that. Like me, I was shitting myself. But FPS Russia, he wouldn't be scared. So I wouldn't need, so FPS Russia wouldn't need safety glass. So if FPS Russia would need safety glass or a safety barrier,

then I wouldn't. I love that. That's just like, man, this man was YouTube's first ever method actor. Yeah, that's insane. I love that. Like, that's insane. But yeah, it's insane that he basically got away with his life

so many times doing this insane shit on YouTube. Do you guys watch MythBusters at all? Yeah, oh, I love Miss Busters. They did really bad shit too. Oh, yeah. Like what? I think they like launched the Cannonball at some point. They launched the Cannonball

and it just completely missed the berm and just shot into a city. What? Yeah. I don't think they ever aired it. How far does Cannonball go? Into a house, someone's house, yeah. What?

Not close. Yeah, goes far. What? I do know that like the first couple of seasons of Mythbusters was very much like an experimental phase, I think, where they were just like, how much could we get away with? But then I think as the show got bigger, they were just like, yeah, all right, we probably have to be careful. Because I think like in early seasons there was like an accident that happened where like an

explosion went off and like Adam's eyebrow just gets completely singed off. He like loses his entire eyebrow. What? And it's like it wasn't planned. It looks like it wasn't planned. He's just like, yeah, I've just lost an eyebrow. They did like, they blew up a cement truck too. I think that was like-

That one was crazy. I just, I feel like it's like, they were kind of approaching stuff that you really only see like the military do but the military has like swathes of land they'll just like go in the middle of some canyon that's like, yeah. Wait, why do they blow up a cement truck?

Because they could, I guess. I mean, I tell me right now if you guys had the opportunity to blow up a cement truck, you wouldn't do it. I would. I do vividly remember that episode and the sound of the explosion

doesn't sound real. It's like the type of explosion you would only hear like video games because it's just so insane. You never heard it before. It's like, because you just see it. It's like a tiny cement truck way off in the distance. And then a second later, it's just gone.

It's just smoke. And then they walk up to when they're like, they said there was nothing left. There was nothing left. It's just like, it just turned to dust. And I'm like, and again, I don't remember why they did it. Yeah. I would do it if I had the opportunity.

Yeah, I mean, that's, yeah, I haven't seen that clip, but I have to watch that. Yeah, that sounds insane. It's so entertaining, yeah. But also, like, even there are some other TV shows that seem like they could do some possible dangerous, dangerous stuff. I'm thinking about, like, old school top gear as well.

Like, I wonder how much safety precautions they did in some of their stunts. Like, do you remember, I can't remember if it was the Vietnam special, or what, it was like one of the, like, Asia specials where they had to drive across this really, really narrow road. I mean, you can't fake that. Yeah, you can already fake that, right?

But I think it's a lot, like, I don't, I'm not gonna say it's a lot, less safe than it looks, but I think that it's a lot more real than people think it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I think sometimes people, because you, you, it's, it's ad. So you're like, oh, they lived. So it's totally fine. So it's really easy to do. But that's, I say, like, you know, look at all the U.S. rocket programs and everything. Like, you know what I'm saying? Lots of people died doing that.

And it's like, would you rather have your cell phone and a couple people in the day, the good old days died? Yeah. Developing all the technology leading up to that. Or. We don't ever try anything crazy, like helicopter. So you think we need crazy people to- You gotta crack a couple eggs

to make an artlet right now, you know. You are literally doing the mad, the mad scientist, like, mindset. Yeah, I mean like, if I don't strap a gun to a dog, someone else is going to do. It's like, so it might as well be you. It's like that mean with the flying cars, it's like society, if everyone was crazy, it would be flying cars right now.

Yeah, I definitely, like, Like, I can totally understand. Imagine like raising a kid, right? And you're just, oh, never go outside. Never touch a door handle. It might be dirty. Never do this. Yeah.

You know, then you're going to have a weird sheltered kid that doesn't learn any real life experiences. And so it's like, yeah. There is, do your parents ever give you any concerns about some of the safety in your videos or not? No, I think they're used to it. I mean, I've almost burned my parents' house down once specifically. that was bad. What is it with science YouTube as an arson?

How did you do that? You know, doing like the aerosol flamethrower, but I used carburetor cleaner. Oh my God. Which is like its own solvent, but it's like an aerosol with a solvent. And so it's like... Oh, my.

And so what you did in like the living room? It just went straight up in the garage and it like something in the ceiling caught on fire. Is this just a right of passage to every science or engineering YouTube? Yeah. You must have like almost blown up or set your house on fire.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That wasn't my fault. That was it. I didn't know how to go to that transition. I kind of realized that as I said it. If there's one video on your channel I have seen, it's that one.

I cannot believe somebody took it from me. That was my job. You wanted to be the one I did it? Yeah. Were the insurance fraud and everything, should get it? Exactly. I mean, if you think about it though, like, that's what everybody else thought. They're like, oh, you burned your house down.

your house down. When people actually think that? I mean, not anymore, but there was, dude, there was, I've never experienced any experience before. You mentioned in the hate video about how, obviously people donated to the GoFundMe and that was really stressful because you felt like you owed people. Yeah.

Yeah. Like what, like what was going through your head with all of that stuff? Like it just seemed like, I mean, I don't even know how I would begin to process if that happened to me. I think that, like, I do pretty well in like high stress situations where it kind of just goes like full logic brain. Yeah. And in that situation, it's like, okay, just,

move forward, move forward, move forward. So it's like what is the most reasonable thing to do right now. Yeah. And at the time, it was just get everything organized, continue to post videos, try to find a new place to live. But like I think we ended up living in the motorhome for like eight months or something. You lived in an RV. Yeah, in an RV in my parents' driveway.

That's a down. If my house burnt down, posting videos would be the last video. Yeah, yeah. But it was like the only thing I had, though. Yeah, right. I had lost everything, like all my tools. I saved my computer, but I never set it up because I didn't have anywhere to put it up. So like, because I mean, obviously I saw the video, but like, I don't know what was happening.

Like, did you, like, did you have insurance for your place? Or it's like, did you get me, did you get me help? We had got renters insurance three months before. Wow. And that actually like saved our asses because the day of, we immediately went to cash like a $3,000 check for the, from the renters insurance. Yeah. Right. Because otherwise it was like, we didn't have any money.

Yeah. Huh. Like I, yeah. Did, you know, because obviously having, I imagine that like losing a lot of your possessions and stuff like that, that's got to change how you like view everything. Yeah. Like how does it shift how you feel about?

I think it was like a forced exploration where it was like, okay, I can't do what I've been doing. Yeah. So I have to figure out a way to keep doing stuff and try to be entertaining and nice. My ADHD just went. Go for it. And it was also weird too,

because I had spent a bunch of time kind of just, I don't know how to describe it, but like, you know, you said you were like watching anime just as a hobby. Like when I built the laser cutter, that kind of was the big start of my channel, like I had built that as a hobby. Like I was thinking like,

well, maybe I could make some money with it. Maybe it can make parts for people. But like I wanted that for me because the guy that used to have one near me moved. And so once the house burned down, I was so focused on just making videos that like I felt like I didn't have any time to kind of like reestablish anything,

like making a new laser cutter or building a workshop. It was just kind of like video, video, video, video, video video. And so it was a very kind of like a realization that I need to definitely like figure how to separate myself from making video so that I can do other stuff to kind of almost build up what you would actually use in your day to day life to make the videos if that makes any sense at all.

Yeah. I mean like I can sympathize what you go through but I don't even know why how I would act in that kind of situation. I wouldn't be able to think of anything. Yeah. I would have fucking lost it. My brain would just shut down. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I have no idea how. I mean, we had, you know, like the GoFundMe was a huge safety net. Like, we actually ended up, like, I didn't pull the money out of there for a long time. We were just sort of still living. Because I didn't know what to do. I genuinely did not know what to do. I did not know if I was going to get, like, screwed on taxes or anything. It's got to be like conflicting. Like, should I use it? Yeah. And I've never had anything. Like, I think, you know, the most money I'd ever had in my account was working entirely through college. I think I saved up like $15,000. And then over the couple of years after college basically got down to like nothing. And Chelsea had the only job. So like, I was like,

I wasn't working. She was paying rent. I had like nothing. And so all of a sudden it's like, I don't, I don't know, I don't know what to do. Like I don't,

I literally don't know what to do. Like normally I buy groceries and pay gas. Yeah. With my money that I make, I've never had an opportunity to figure something else out. Yeah. And you mentioned in the video,

you felt bad that you'd like, have a Tesla or something. Yeah. And there was a joke in one of the early videos where like we did like a special effects of like a cardboard cut out of a Tesla. Yeah, yeah.

And I feel like a lot of YouTubers feel like that. They're like, I don't want to, I don't want people to think I have money. Yeah. Right? And it must be like amplified even more so when people give you that money. People would say really bad things for a while and it just sort of helped to like feed into the people set stuff immediately.

Like we, a guy that we're still friends with that used to work at Disney invited us to come to come to Disney. It was like totally like out of the blue like a stranger. He's like I work at Disney. I can get you in for free. So we went and visited and he got his family passes. He used his family passes to get us in and posted a picture on Instagram and it's like, of course some of the comments are about. People like, why you were just, yeah. I see you're spending the money well already. It's like, oh my God. I had money. I had money existed before the money you guys gave me.

I can spend my money. It's like you didn't keep all your money under your mattress. You know, you have a bank account for a reason. And it's like I would love to do more stuff. And like, we've been trying to do more stuff with money because I think it's fun to like expand. And I think a lot of people don't understand that running a YouTube channel like there's two parts of it. You've got kind of the art side of it and you've got the business side of it. Absolutely. And like there's people that work for me. Yeah. Like I've had people working for me for the past like, you know, four years. Like, I have to pay them. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. A lot of people forget that now. It's like if you see some big

YouTubeers, they probably have a team behind them. Yeah. And like I've gone out of my way. Like, we, we try as hard as we can. So like, anybody that works for us has like health insurance. Yeah. Like there's plenty of that's a that's a big thing in the US. Yeah. Yeah. Especially when they work for you. They need to like, they need to like, they need to like, you know, we have a small company that does brand deals for a lot of science. channels and everybody that works there as health insurance and like I don't pay for that directly. It just sort of runs itself. But that has sort of been like a blessing for everybody. Because it kind of helps to like unify us a little bit so people can't screw us over.

And we're doing, you know, a bunch of merchandising stuff now. And I have my friend Ian who's working on the channel full time. And it's like these are all people that are working full time. It's like you have to pay them. It's like you got to. Absolutely. And you're in California. And it's in California. It just can be frustrating. sometimes when people say stuff like, oh, like, you know, $3,000 a month. And it's like, oh, my God, if you could hire somebody for $3,000, like, do you know how much money it costs to hire somebody? Yeah. If you, in California, if you make $3,000 a month, aren't you just maybe getting by? I don't know the media. That's not great in California. I don't. Can you live off?

Three thousand months in L.A.? Is that possible? You could. You could do it, yeah, but you'd be like in an apartment with roommates and stuff. Right, right. It's like, it's, it's, it's, in a lot of yeah. Yeah. But in L.A. and California, that is not a lot. Yeah. That's not, no. Oh, especially if your company is not paying you health insurance or anything, too, and you have to pay for that on your own. Or if you're like a contractor freelance, like, I work for myself. And it's like, oh, yeah, and you got to pay self-employment tax and you got to get yourself health insurance.

You're from California, right? Yeah, right. Yeah, basically from L.A. So you've just been in California your whole lot. There's no party that's like, yeah, just get a giant piece of land in Utah. I think about it all the time. Yeah. The problem is like my family lives there.

Like, what am I supposed to do? That's true. Move your family over as well. Well, I mean, I live here. My family certainly is not from here. Yeah. Yeah. How often do you see them though?

I mean, do you want to see that? I do, I do. Have you ever seen that? I'm sure you watch Cursed Cazette? Yes. Did you watch a video where they talk about the, how much you'll have seen your family in, like, your entire lifetime?

Oh, yeah. That shit made me instant depressed. Really? You feel so bad at that. I immediately texted my mom off. I haven't seen that one. In this video, they basically explained that like, by age 18,

you will have spent like 90% of your time with your family that you will ever. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. And that's like, that was such a, sobering and depressing thought, but it's true. Yeah. It made me wanna really try more, but also I,

being on the other side of the world, makes it a lot harder. What's that flight? Yeah, kind of just cries a single tear while living in Japan, thousand like halfway across the world from his mom. I was just like, I did, I was like, mom, I love you, it's great, you're an amazing parent, you're so good.

But I Skype them all the time. Yeah, yeah. So I feel like that's better than some. Like I call my parents at least like two, three times a week. That's good, that's pretty, that's pretty, that's quite a lot compared to what I ask other people. That's just because they want to, I don't know, know why. They just want to call me up and talk me about random shit. I don't know.

Did they like the YouTube stuff? Oh, yeah, they've really gotten into it recently. The first three, four years, they were like, we don't get it. And then ever since trash taste, and I've, oh, you make funny now, we get it. Yeah. Well, ever since they kind of saw like 10 bucks, they were excited. Yeah. They thought that was really cool. It's the same with my experience. They were like, wait, so you just made 10 bucks from posting a video? From doing that cringe thing you do in your room? Yeah. Honestly, honestly, they were always really supportive,

but they didn't really like get it. And then ever since I kind of made my content more focused around just doing kind of more showing off kind of bizarre side of Japan, which anyone can watch. You can, any age group can watch this and understand what's happening. They watch it a lot more. And they actively tell me about my videos now. Yeah.

Which is kind of good and bad. Yeah. To the extent, my parents watch trash taste every week without fail. I don't know how they do. So God's parents are gonna know who you are now. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Like, it was so weird fucking going back home these last few months and then like Friday would come around.

And I'd come downstairs. I'm like, why do I hear my voice? I'd go into the living room and they would be watching trash chase. I'm like, mom, dad, I'm right here. If you wanna talk to me, talk to me in real life. I would not be able to handle that. Do they not watch your videos?

My mom does. Your dad? My dad. My dad, my dad's, my dad. My mom is like a fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My mom is, what's that meme of like, if William has a million fans, I'm one of it.

Yeah, yeah. 100,000 fans, that's my mom. I'm there in the front row. That makes sense. That's so cute. That's very fun. I mean, like at this point, because we live halfway across the world,

my parents use YouTube as a way to keep up what I'm doing. They're like, did trash taste upload this weekend? Okay, my son's alive. Yeah. Yeah, it's so weird, like, whenever, whenever I call my parents and then they bring up something, and I'm just like, I don't remember ever talking to you about that. And they're like, oh, yeah, we started on trash tan. It's also like, oh, my God, I'm sharing too much.

Yeah. Oh, my God, that happens all the time. Even like, like, people who you sort of casually know or don't know, they'll leave a comment about something. You're like, where did I say? And like, oh, my God, it's a podcast. And like, oh, my God, what am I talking about this? Like, oh, people listen to that.

Yeah, I know. Do your parents watch safety third at all? Oh, what do you think? I don't think so. Your mom has watched a few. I've talked her how to like listen to it in the background when she was, okay. That's fair.

Tell her, yeah, not do it, definitely. Please don't. Yeah, because like, I think there was, there was like me before trash taste and then everything I've said after trash taste. My parents, I'd say a story or something in my childhood. My parents would be like, you motherfucker, why didn't you tell us this before?

You're talking shit about us on your podcast thing. My dad's done that to me so many times where he's just like, yeah, that thing. you said like four episodes ago, you're so full of shit and I was like, yeah, I said something in a video where I was like, I made a joke about my childhood that was like sarcastic

and like, you know, like I don't remember what it was. My mom was like, that's not true. Like almost like I was offended like, mom, yeah. I'm like, no, no, no, it's just a joke. I don't think most people think it's, you know. I think. Oh, sorry.

Oh, man. Yeah, I think especially YouTube videos are much more fun because you can control it, but trash take. and podcasts in general, you spew so much things that you don't even remember saying. I don't know what I've said.

Yeah, I've said so much stuff. Yeah. It's just, they just come out, the words, just come out. Are you have to, you can't do this for like 100 episodes. No. I don't remember half the shit I said in this episode. Yeah.

To be honest. You were talking about weird stuff. I was like, I was a weird shit. I probably, yeah, I'm not, I'm not even surprised. It's only gonna be 30 minutes before. Every time I open my mouth, it just cuts to that camera. So yeah, I mean, you're in Japan,

which I guess we should have to be. Yeah, so you're here. Unless people don't know you in Japan. He's not CG. Well, we wanted to get you on in LA, but then, like, because we had a bunch of other things scheduled and just, they didn't work out.

No, that's fine. You'll come to Japan anyway. So, yeah. We're here because of you guys. Yeah. Oh. Well, I didn't do anything. Well, yeah, not us.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Directed you towards the agents. He was May Lynn, but he was us. It was, it was, it was. We'll take the credit. That's fine.

From, when did we meet in LA? When was that? Well, we met at that party. June? Yeah, in June. So we're what, August now? Yeah. Yeah. So from the middle of June

to the middle of August, like, yeah, literally, it was like, oh, crazy. Japan, okay, and then two months later, we're in Japan. Well, yeah, I mean, I feel like sometimes you meet YouTubers and you're like, oh, you're like a normal dude who just also makes YouTube videos and you get along really well, and I was like,

oh yeah, you should definitely come again. Yeah, they're a great. A lot of time you sound like to meet people, you're like, oh my gosh, you are a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of those. I was surprised that you decided to come to Japan this quickly because mostly you meet someone and you're like, oh, do you want to come to here to this place?

And I'm like, yeah, one day, then like two years passes and then you get the message, but you guys was just like, boom, I love to just be impulsive with stuff like this. Right, or it's just, it's like everything lines up, it makes sense, let's do it. Like, don't, don't, and like there's enough help now. He's like, I'm a very one-track mind. And I don't know if that's, if everybody else is like that

or if it's just me, but it's like, if I have to start trying to do too many things at the same time, everything falls apart. get nothing good. So being able to have people that help organize stuff, just like, okay, what do you think about Japan? And they're like, okay. And then they just start working on it. It's like, oh my God. It's really, really, really. So you came for the first time in 2019. Yeah. This place is amazing. I honestly, I think if anybody has any intention of ever coming to Japan, you have to do it. It has to be in your bucket. You have to come to Japan. Make it, figure out

to make it work. What's so good about it? Tell me. Tell us. Tell us. Sell us. Tokyo is everything, every major city wishes it was. Right. If that makes.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Am I right? It is like America, but Disneyland mixed in the same thing where it's like a city that I'm familiar enough with

because it's like a lot of everything is like English or like, you know, uses our alphabet so you can read it and decipher it. Yeah. But it's like clean and convenient and predictable. Like it's, it's bizarre because it's like Los Angeles is a nightmare.

And this is great. Trump isn't too bad. Right. Public transport system as well. We have yet to run into any issues of public transport. Like we're not, maybe we're just avoiding rush hour and whatnot. But like you show up and it. Oh, but even the train just, even during rush hour, it somehow works.

You just have to deal with the crowd. But like, yeah, it's just cramped. It's just cramps, but everything's still on time somehow. Yeah. Just like when we normally back home, like I don't drink at all when we go out because I'm driving. Yeah. You're like, oh, we're nice. Yeah, I've never.

I drink every day. Yeah, I have a beer, two beers. Well, that was one thing. That was one thing as someone who grew up in England, I could never understand about American culture, which is this culture of having a designated driver. Because I'm like, damn, imagine if you have to go out and one of you just has to, like, commit to not having fun, you know?

Like, I couldn't, I just wouldn't go out, you know? Like, even if there's just that one time, you know, like, rotated. Because in Australia, it's not who's the designated driver. It's who's the least driver. I don't know. The American American same way.

It's illegal jokes. Yeah, I know. Everyone's doing it. Come on. We do not condone that at all. Australia. Disclay of done that. Oh, no, I've never done that.

No of us have ever done that. Australia is a very interesting place. You should come to Australia. It's kind of like white trash America. But also at that same time, it's like way more together. Hold on, pause. What did you say? Australia is like white trash.

I think it's right. What the fuck? I mean, I don't, I don't mean that wholeheartedly. But I still stand by. Like, there's something a little bit crazier. Wait, have you been to Australia? Yeah, at once. Whereabouts will you?

Melbourne. Oh, okay, okay. Like, there's something about Australia. Okay, wait, wait, wait, maybe I should also, I'm going to add a loophole. It could have also been the people that I was hanging out. Yeah, it might have been. Well, I guess like, yeah, there was a lot of crazy shit that happens in Australia. Oh, absolutely.

I mean, yeah, we've talked about before. Like Australia is like the Florida of the world. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah. No, okay, okay, I get it in that sense. Yes, definitely.

What's the difference in Florida and white trash? Shit, you got me there? Oh, Florida. They like it. They like that. They survive off, right? Good Florida. Drag me faster.

There's something in the water in Florida. There's something in the water in Australia as well. I like Japan a lot. I like Australia too. It was either we were going to go back to Australia or come to Japan. It's nice going to Australia or the UK or America after being here for too long

because after a while you kind of get bogged down by all the rules and all the things you have to file. I just want to go somewhere when there's a problem that people figure it out. People don't start freaking out and go, what do we do? What do we do? This guy said he wants the tippers.

Right. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's weird because I think visiting Japan is, I honestly do think Japan is one of the best countries to visit in the world. If you want to live here, there's other things you have to keep in mind. It's still an amazing country to live in. But it's a very different experience. Yeah. No country's perfect.

Yeah, no country's perfect. And definitely after, you know, being stuck in here for COVID, I did miss a lot of, let's say, like, the chiller aspects of other countries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, when it comes here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. to just attitude in general. Yeah, I think attitude is a big thing where sometimes you just wanna go to a place

or, you know, work somewhere where you don't have to worry about getting approval or just, should I be worried about doing this very specific thing, you know? Yeah, very specific thing with little to no consequences, but they make it seem like there's a whole heap of consequences. I like, I am totally fine following the rules if they make sense.

Mm. And if they don't make sense. Then I lose my mind. Welcome, welcome to Japan, buddy. That's the American in you talking. I mean, a lot of America has stuff that doesn't make sense too. Yeah. Have you learned about like the drug

classifications, like the drug scaling? No. I think the UK actually follows similarly to... Marijuana's classified worse than methamphetamine. Wait, what? What? So we in the UK, we have like A, B, C. Yeah, so marijuana is a cross-C drug. Yeah, I go. Are you an expert in this?

Well, I mean, we've talked about it before. I mean, as you know, drug experts here, you know. Yeah, of course. You know, resident drug experts. Yeah. Yeah. I believe in the UK marijuana is a class C drug. Yeah. Cocaine and Excessy and all those

are like class class A drugs. Like I've never heard of what a class B drug is. So Schedule one, speed. Speed. Schedule one is marijuana, heroin, LSD, Excessy, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then of course nowhere in these are like nicotine. Yeah. Yeah. Or anything like that.

Right. And so it's like, to me that's one of those rules where it's like, from like a scientific standpoint, like there's definitely like no science has been done. Yeah, of course. If you want to have rules, Right. Exactly. Right, and so it's like, be concise and be like realistic with the rules. Don't just make shit up.

Yeah. I mean, that's, that could apply to a lot of things though. Right, yeah. Like some things I feel like just have to do with like the PR or the, let's say the public perception of them. Yeah, I mean, I would argue Japan does that, but in the opposite end when it comes to things like marijuana, do they just think like, oh, all drugs are just as bad as each other? So marijuana is just as bad as heroin and meth and all those. Surprisingly lacks in some places, though. But I think it's because they haven't ever had, like,

big disasters or anything. So there's some rules we're like, that's weirdly, like, weirdly okay with it. There's a few, I had some things in mine, I forgot. But the fact that you can drink alcohol in a lot of places that you normally think that other countries would be like, maybe don't. Like you can openly drink alcohol, no problem.

Right. The culture on alcohol here is really... Can you drink alcohol in public? Yeah, absolutely. You can drink alcohol on the train, you can drink alcohol on a bus. You can walk around. That's amazing. But I tell you what you can't do in public.

Okay. Smoke cigarettes. You can smoke cigarettes inside, in a restaurant, in certain restaurants. Or in designated smoking areas outside. But you're not allowed. You can't smoke and walk. You can't smoke outside on the streets.

Where are you supposed to, that seems like the only place you would go to smoke. Welcome to your fan! When you get a domestic flight, you don't need to show an idea at any point. That's cool. You just walk on the plane. Yeah.

I mean, that I get because it's kind. America, that's not how it is. America, they say. stick their whole hand of everybody. They got 9-11 there. Yeah. Dude, oh man,

you know much money to spend every single year? I look this up. Also, I'm like 90% certain after 9-11 on TSA and everything. They spend more money every single year than it cost to build the towers. They're not very good.

Wow. Wow. I had this horrible thought experiment. I don't know if Alan used this at all, but the idea was, would you rather, when something bad does happen, you pay out the families all that money

and not spend it on the TSA? Oh, that's, This is the trolley argument, just framed differently, I swear to God. I don't know. I had like a really fucking scary encounter when I was in, well, it wasn't scary. It was just, we were in LAX.

Yeah. And, you know, because I have my bag, right, which has every single wire and battery and camera. Oh, yeah. So I always gets flagged every single time. They hate my bags, they stop it every time. They made me open it up. They made me fucking, and it's a mess.

So it looks, you know, It doesn't look good. It's not neat. Pull out batteries, batteries, wires, wires, camera. You know, it's always a thing, and I'm used to it happening every single time. Yeah. So I see my bag go in, you know,

because it goes down that it can get like shuttle to the side to go. Yes, yes. Oh yeah, when you see it pop out of the side. It's like, oh fuck, I gotta talk to someone. And so I'm waiting, I'm waiting and then as I'm like seeing my bag go down this other thing, I'm like, fuck's sake.

I gotta tap on the shoulder and I turn around and it's TSA. And there's this guy. Big dude. There's a smaller guy and there's a bigger guy behind him and he's like, are you Connor? And I'm like, yes. Yeah, what's wrong?

He's like, and there's a really long pause and he's like, I love trash taste by the way. Oh, I was like, I literally said, I was like, I smack these dollars. Don't fucking scare me like that, man. Also, you're under arrest. Yeah, he's like, we're gonna kill you. It was so funny because I was, I was,

yeah. God damn it, man. I was, because this was on the flight to Miami, right? Yeah, no, Australia. Oh, to Australia. We just got, we'd flown from Miami to LA to get off flight to Australia. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

And I, and I had already, like, gone off because I got all of my shit. And so from the distance, I just saw Connor getting surrounded by TSA. Oh, I'm shitting his pants. Do they have any idea that that's terrifying? Oh, I think they knew. Yeah, he definitely was playing it all, for sure.

That kind of sucks, though. I don't know a lot. It scared the shit out of me So I turn around those dudes just looking at me and like menacingly, I knew my name. Oh, they absolutely know how much power they have. Traveling in an airport is already like a really bad experience. Yeah.

Oh man, traveling to the US, it's like there is no country that is more intimidating to get into than the US. Yeah. Yeah. Holy, I've never felt like- Did they interrogate you? More than any other country. Yeah, they interrogate me.

I've been deported before. Yeah. Wait, how? Because I was on an Esther and then, I apparently broke some rules that didn't comply with the esther that I didn't know about. And apparently that happens. Smuggling drugs is all of that. Yeah, apparently cocaine is just not allowed.

No, but like, I basically just broke a very... Five kilos of cocaine. Yeah, I was like, oh, fuck, six is too much. It's a difference. Yeah. So, like, I basically, long story short is there's like a lot of very minor rules about the Esther, the electronic visa thing that is not, you know, very concisely written down. Yeah.

And I unfortunately broke one of those rules. And the guy was like, well, it's all right because you didn't know about it and this happens all the fucking time. So, but we have to deport you. Oh my God. And so I was like, oh, okay, well, my girlfriend's already gone through.

It's not a big deal. It happens all the time. Yeah. Does not get followed up by, we have to deport. That's literally how they phrased it. They were like, don't worry, man. It happens all the time.

But you have a choice. You can either stay in a jail overnight until we can get your flight. the next day, or you can take this other flight that takes you to Amsterdam instead, and then you have to get a connecting flight back to Japan. What would you like to do? And all I could hear was like,

the Who Wants to be a Millionaire music? Just like, dun, dun, do, do, do. I'm just like, uh. Yeah, I was like, it's like, can I phone a friend? So I, uh, yeah, so I was just like, well, I'm not fucking staying in a jail overnight. So Amsterdam, please. Every time I go to the border in America,

I feel like a school kid, like, who's about- Getting in trouble. You're getting in trouble. Yeah, and like you go to them, and I feel like, like a school kid and the teachers like scolding me. It's like, why, what are you doing here? How are you here?

I'm like, I don't know why, but I always just feel like I needed to apologize. Even if I have all the documentation, even though I'm not doing anything wrong, I always feel like, sorry. Sometimes you just, I don't know, I mean, like a lot of the times it's been chill, but signs you just get that one dude

you can tell. He just wants to, he's just having a shit day. He just wants to fuck with people. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, asking questions or you're like, why would you ask that question in that way? Like, you're trying to,

this morning. Yeah, yeah. Not even. I wish it was that. That'd be fun. Yeah. How heavy was it? I don't know. Dumb shit. It's because all the border police I've met in America, they, even if they, the most cheerless person in the world, all of them have like, all them are able to project this authority in their, in their voice that I've just seen, like, that is on another level compared to like most other countries I've been to. It's, it's like, yeah. And it's also like, it's also, I feel like they have this switch in emotion. The moment, they deem you to be okay. Because it's like every time you walk up,

it's always like they've got like some kind of sour puss, like resting bitch face, you know, just like really mean about it. And then the moment they stamp your thing is just like, have a good day. Have a good day. I'll allow it. Thank you.

It's like, oh, thank God. Thank you. When I was a kid, because my mom wasn't a citizen, she's from Sweden. Yeah. And so she had a green card. We were coming back from Mexico.

And I guess she had left her green car. at home. And so we had to basically sit there and argue with immigration. And they're like, well, for $300 or whatever, it was some stupid fee that, you know, years ago would have been more than what that is now. We can do it for you and figure it out electronically. Or you can go and get your green card. And so basically she stayed at LAX.

My dad drove me and my sister home and we must have been like maybe 12. Yeah. So we're like, you know, pretty young. Yeah. He drops stuff at home and then drives like, you know, probably an hour and a half back to LAX. Holy fuck. And this is like,

I remember probably landing. It was dark outside, so maybe like 10, 11, it was super late. So he probably got home at like four in the morning after dealing with it. And they,

like, they knew who she was. They had everything there, but it was just like, in order to come through without the card, you gotta pay like three, four hundred dollars.

Even though on that system, they can clearly see that she has a green card. Yeah. Because it would match up with the passport. That's so shit. So shit. That's annoying. Just like,

but I've never had a bad experience. Yeah. With any, airport security in any country? Honestly? Not really. That's good. I haven't either.

It's been chill. I think coming back from Canada is probably the most aggressively I've gotten grilled, but that was driving. They ask you what you're doing there and whatnot, but otherwise,

I don't think that anyone's super... I can't remember. Damn. Yeah, I think I've been like interrogated a few times. Both of those times in America. Actually. Pretty bad.

I mean, we're both white. We're like, yeah, no, no, about it. I love the GSA. This is not looking. This is not a great look. My brothers. That's privilege. They're like, Joe, how, how,

how wide did you say you were again? You don't look very white. So your name is Joseph. Okay, you're, you're good. I see your name is Gant Manitapa. Red blood. Why would you have a British passport? Yeah.

I brought some stuff through. they really don't like to you. Like one time we had a suitcase filled entirely with Magic the Gathering cards. They hated that. Why? I don't know. I guess it's just too dense

for the x-rays to penetrate. And so it just shows up as like this brick a solid light. Wait, okay, hold on, I got to know. Why are you bringing in a suitcase

full of Magic the Gathering cards? I don't know, because we didn't use them at all and had to drag it all the way back home. And so you put it through customs and they're like, hold up, what is that?

What are these white bricks that are showing up? And then of course, like, it's literally filled with cards and it's like, How do you dig through a box of cards that have been like meticulously placed in the guy? It's just, you can just see them die on the inside.

Because you're sitting there looking at them and they know they're not going to be able to put it back together. And so he just sort of like picks up a couple of them. And I think he gets the vibe that like, it's just cards. And so he let us go. But tools, they hate tools too. We had to throw. I think we were in Texas and I had to buy a drill and some drill bits and stuff. Can't take a drill?

No, you can't take a drill. You can't take anything. The bits I understand. He's like throw the drill but he wouldn't let me take the drill. And so I'm going to tilt the battery out? Yeah. So he's like you have to check it. And I'm like, nope, throw it in the trash.

And he's like, he was like confused. I'm like, nope, throw it in the trash. Is there anything else in my bag you want me to throw in the trash? Like if there's anything in my bag, you'd like to throw in the trash, now is the chance to do it. I think he started getting really uncomfortable because I was just like basically, you know, giving him the authority to throw anything away that he didn't like. Right. I'll screw you, man.

I just paid 80 bucks for this drill. I don't want to throw it away. Oh, shit. You sass the guy? Yeah, I did. Oh, I, well, I fast them in a way where I gave him, like, too much authority. Right.

If there's anything in my bag, you want to throw away, do it right now. I'm too scared to sass you. Yeah, I feel like the moment I do that, I'm getting arrested. Well, I wasn't arguing with him. I wasn't saying, no, don't take my drill.

It was just like anything else you want to throw away? No, but it's the passive aggressiveness I could not do it. Yeah, but I'm not hindering him. You're a bolder man than me. I think so. I'm just getting flashbacks with something that happened

when I was like a fucking teen. It wasn't actually to do with me, but this is probably like one of the most British stories I've ever seen happen in the airport. So I was visiting Spain with some mates and we were in the south of Spain, you know, normal kind of British holiday. And so we are on our way to fly back.

And we see that there's another British guy in front of us that has been basically stopped at the security gates because- In Spain or in- Yeah, in Spain. Because it was found, that he had a bottle of, a liter bottle of vodka. That's obviously you can't take liquids on the plane.

He had a liter bottle of vodka that he tried to pass through security. And so security told him to get rid of the bottle, right? And they give him the bin. And he goes, no, I'm going to choose the second option. So what he does? Is he in line? He starts fucking chugging this lit up bottle of vodka. And he's like,

I refuse to throw this away. Fuck you. They just kick him off the flight. They just kick him off the fly. I don't know because the only reason I know this, because I see him chugging this ball and everyone that he goes past, he offers a swig to.

And he's like, bro, help me out. Depending on what mood I was in, I would. And I'm like, this is the most British thing I've ever seen, someone who's just refusing to throw away this lit a bottle of vodka and just decides to chug it before security. I definitely think he could have lingered for a while. And you're, like, you're forgetting the other option.

And like, make them say it. You can tell me to drink it. Look me in the eyes and tell me that I am allowed to drink it. The only weirdest thing that I've ever had at an airport on a plane was that I was on a plane from Amsterdam to London. And as the plane landed, there was like an announcement where they were like, hey, so somebody was smoking in the toilet. So we're going to, the police are going to come on and take the plane. person off and then yeah, that's gonna be it.

So we're literally waiting, two dudes come on, go to the back, pick this guy up, take him off. And it was like, oh, I don't even know. What, that was weird. They just, yeah, police came on, took him off. I don't know what happens when you do it. I assume they- Probably a fine. Take it down the night, just pop-pop-up.

Don't smoke, get all right. I'm like, oh, how do you from Amsterdam all that place, god damn it. There's no way they don't detect that. They would 100% if you do anything that they're gonna know. What was guy thinking? He's like, yeah, I can just guide the smoke away from it.

Like, the thing that blew my mind is that that flight is an hour and 20 minutes. You couldn't hold it? It's like this what I'm saying. Yeah. An hour and 20 minute, you can't hold it or like, wait? Like I have a little bit more sympathy if it was 16 hours and I'm like, all right,

you're a complete crippling at smoking addict. Like you're going to Amsterdam. What else are you gonna do? Yeah. You're gonna smoke. You can do it there. I just, I didn't understand it. And like, during the flight after I heard that,

I was like, I did smell smoke at one point, but I just thought I was, I thought I was just having a stroke. I thought I was like, I'm going crazy. Yeah, because yeah, because when you always hear the safety instructions of like, don't smoke in the toilets because, you know, it's a federal offense. It's like, you don't have to tell me that.

No one's stupid enough to do that. There's an ashtray in the toilet for a reason. People smoke. Probably better than throwing in the trash. Yeah, you can't, they want, if people are gonna smoke, they want them to put it out in the as opposed to throwing it in the trash and lighting it on fire.

Right, right, right. Because it's literally just tissues. Right, yeah, true. So that's the reason why they've asked trays on every plane. Is that true? Why do you think there's an ashtray on every toilet?

I don't know. It's just to keep people from throwing it in the trash. Yeah, because if they would have tried and put it out in the trash, the last thing you want is a bigger fire. Yeah. So if you're gonna smoke on the plane,

at least for God's sake, put it out. Yeah. In the right way. Yeah. Can we fact check this? Yeah. I'm telling you, this is why. I definitely believe it.

So you know they're going to do something bad, so you give them the best way to do it bad. Yeah. Because like, if people are going to break the rules, at least let them break the rules in a safe way and then punish them. Because I've never really thought about it,

but I've always seen the ashtray, and I've always seen people say, please don't smoke on the plane. So I was like, was there an era I wasn't alive where they were just allowed to smoke on the planes? That's like how I've rationalized it in my mind. Yeah, they were. You were allowed, yeah.

You do crazy shit. What's the verdict? Yeah, it's correct. Yeah, by the federal aviation administration. Yeah, my dad used to work for Airbus. Really? Project manage putting the wings together and he told me about it.

That sounds wrong. So you can smoke. No, no, no, no, no, you can't, right? No, you're not allowed to, but if, like, it's like, but if you do, at least there's an astray. It's like a clean needle program. It's like, you know they're gonna do drugs. Right, yeah.

So at least do it with a clean, a safe way. That's why they like don't, you know, there's a lot of things that you design where you know people are gonna break the rules. There's no way you can stop it. So at least do it so it doesn't fuck everyone else. So why is that on like a pack of condoms

for anyone who wants to go to my hog, Mile hard cup. If someone gets chlamydia on the plane doesn't affect you. Yeah. You're not gonna hear an announcement being like, oh yeah, so, yeah.

The oxygen masks will be driven from the Zealand. I'm just saying if people are gonna do it. If people are gonna do it. No, no, because if someone makes a fire on a plane gone, everyone dies, right? If someone gets hepatitis or syphilis, that's on that.

You're not gonna hear it now. Yeah, so someone in the back has crabs now for some reason, two security guards are gonna come and take him away. Jerry just got syphilis and he's going to die and that doesn't leave. Like, that's a terrible look at it. I think the worst thing I ever saw on a flight and it's not even that bad was right as a plane was landing. This woman who didn't speak English gets up out of her seat to go use the bathroom and they started freaking out.

Like I think they were like inches away from abhorting the landing. But they realized that pretty much no matter what they did was going to be like the most dangerous thing for that situation. Yeah. So they were screaming. they were like, do not like leave, like stay in the bathroom, stay seated. Like, literally the plane's like coming in for its landing. And someone gets up and goes to the bathroom. What?

Yeah. I don't know. I don't think she, I don't know what happened. I think I just got to plan. I don't think you get arrested or fine for that. But I think you can, you can get fin for it.

I think you can get fine. I'm pretty sure. Like if you're doing shit like that and landing, it's putting everybody else in danger. Yeah. Because if they like have to abhor or they make a, Are you costing 10 to 1,000 adults? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Or if they get someone injured from falling over and fucking smacking the head on something. Yeah. Yeah, it's a liability, yeah. We're allowed to land. It's like, bet. Oh, are we? I don't think so.

I don't think I've ever said anything that crazy on a flight before. That's pretty crazy. I'm kind of crazy. I sometimes leave my cell phone signal on. I can't. After they leave before landing, I'd put my seat back.

Yeah. I might take it down. I hate you so much, will you? Fuck you. I hate you people do that to me. Just as

we're about to land, I put my tray table down. I close the window blind. I close the window. I don't want to see the plane land. What are you going to do? We do crashing. Sometimes I open the ejector,

the ejector window after we landed. Just because I mean, we're getting out anyway. I need some fresh air. What if that, that lands you what? like $25,000 fine and like actual jail time if you do that? I think it's jail time with that. That's jail time.

It depends on the country. Okay. Hey, video idea. Is that a tax write off? You get a fine with the intent of getting a fine for a video idea. Is that a tax write off? That I, I don't think so.

No idea. I have no idea. No one's put that to the test yet. I don't like the test. Why not? I shouldn't have given you that idea actually. I don't know. If you get a DUI and you're filming it,

is that a write-off? Laws don't exist if you're filming it, right? Yeah, that's why. I mean like, please, Mr. A-Kalbert, that's why a lot of TikTok exists, right? I've always been interested, not personally, but it's like scientifically the whole, how much alcohol can you drink and then drive thing?

Yeah, like, because it's based on the- Drive or drive legally? Drive legally. Okay. Okay. Obviously, no. That's a fact thing. Right, but you can make me that distinction. Obviously, it's like a generic,

they're like, yeah, you can only drink two. That's what they tell everyone. But obviously if you're a really big guy, it's like you can drink a lot more than that. I've always wondered because of how it works, you could easily drink if you were a giant guy very big. Yeah. You would still come up as legal to drive.

Yeah. We don't condone any of this behavior. No, no, no, I'm just. And nor we're saying- It's a hypothetical. Nor are we saying anyone should test it out. It's like the, well, you mentioned, like it has been arbitrarily set at two.

Yeah, roughly. They think that that is- Yeah, that's the average. Right. Well, percentage is what, like 0.08%? I don't know. I've never, I've never, well, in Japan it's zero. Zero percent.

Yeah, that's like nothing. It feels like kind of actually almost like false positives have come out of that. Maybe. I don't know, I never thought about it. I've never driven and had a drink at any point. Because like you could have a drink and then like hours later, like three hours later, potentially still have something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Like I think like there was a massive problem where in the UK where people would go on like an all-night bender. Oh, yeah. drive to work the next day and they were still drunk and still over the limit in the morning because they had drunk in so much the night before. Right. And laid into the night as well. Yeah, yeah. So you know, like your brain says,

oh, I sleep, therefore I'm sober now. It's a really good way of avoiding that. It's just don't drink absurd amount of alcohol for work. I feel like that's generally the life. I think that's good advice regardless of if you're driving or not. That's a simple life.

You know, maybe don't. That's a bit too smart. That's why I like the city though, because it's like, you don't have to think about it. here, you just get on the freaking train. Okay, here's the thing, though, in Japan is that everyone goes out and gets drunk on weekdays and then goes to work.

Yeah. So, yeah. Well, yeah, I think you're just participating in the culture. Yeah, yeah. I'm, exactly. Being an honorary Japanese. Oh my God. Well, I think that about does it for this episode.

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