Trash Taste Podcast - WE CAN'T STOP WASTING COMPANY FUNDS | Trash Taste #205
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Welcome back to another episode of Trash Taste.
I'm your host, Connor.
Once again, joined by the boys.
Jerry Gantz.
How you boys feeling?
I'm all right.
So, first time back recording the studio
for like a month.
Almost two months.
Yeah, but we did record in Australia.
We did, we did, we did.
It's not like we haven't seen each other.
No, I don't know.
I've seen a bit too much of each other, if anything.
I'm kind of tired of seeing you.
It's kind of overrated, actually.
Overrated.
What have you guys been up to?
Honestly, not much since Australia.
Australia was a lot.
We had dinner with Joey got his revenge.
Yeah, what the fuck?
I just remember this.
Like you thought like I wouldn't notice?
I noticed immediately.
So, sweet revenge.
I just remembered this as I was just like talking.
I was like, oh yeah, that happened.
We caught up to Kevin in Australia.
Unfortunately, you chose to go home early, Connor.
Early, no, no, I left him we were done working.
You guys wanted to dilly dally around.
and fuck around and spend the company on it.
We wanted to catch up with some quality time.
I'll spend time with my family actually.
And family.
Yeah, okay, okay.
What's my family there?
Nowhere. You guys have family in Australia.
I don't hear it.
Yeah, so we had dinner with Kevin and I just,
I remember we were getting the bill and we were discussing how we should spit the bill.
And Joey, I look over at Joey and he just has the most devious look on his face.
I was like Mr. Burnsy actually.
I was saying like, because I was on it,
I was on a Kevin, it was like, okay, the bill comes
to this march, right, let me split it.
Look over to Joey.
Joey looks over to me and he's like,
shall we put this on the trash taste card?
Of course.
Of course.
I thought I'd paid Jerry back,
but it turns out I typed in the wrong
paypal email address.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we went to the, the Col ones grog party
while we're in Australia.
And we, you know, and Connor was talking to some people
about that, you know, the, the girls bar situation,
which is, well, was hilarious.
You guys loved it. Yeah. And then-
They loved it more. They loved it, more importantly.
This is filmed before the awards,
but I'm guessing it's going to have won an award.
I hope, I'm fucking hope.
It's all about the reveal.
It's all about, I held onto that for like two months,
you're telling you. But, but yeah, we were discussing that
and then Connor was like, all right, fine,
I'll pay you back right now.
And then- No, no, I said I had paid you back.
Oh, yeah, it was like, no, what do you mean?
I already paid you back.
And then I was like, okay, so I checked my PayPal.
Nothing.
And I was like, what the fuck?
I sent the money.
Yeah.
And then Connor turns out sent it to the wrong email.
So you sent it to a random, a random Joey.
Yeah, I sent $150 to some random house.
So that's gone.
Oh my fuck.
Is that instant karma compilation?
Yeah, I think so.
I had no idea that happened.
So, but what I'm learning from this is there,
that Gant has benefited from this situation.
Yeah, we, you and I have to go.
Wait, whoa, whoa, well, I am just,
I'm just there as a passive observer.
You didn't protest the payment of neither of you.
I love it, let me bring on.
We and Joey need to have a spoils on you.
Yeah, we really do.
I love as well the immediate message we got.
Yeah, so what happened is Joey was like, okay,
let's put it on the trash seat card.
And I was like, well, Joey, I'm gonna be Joey's friend here
and I'm gonna be like, he deserves his karma.
whatever.
You know, we'll see.
Yeah, because you got a fucking good meal.
I saw the bill.
I know.
What the fuck did you guys eat?
I was trying to be a good friend here.
What the hell did you guys eat?
I was being like,
this bill came out to like $1,500.
Were you guys eating caviar?
No, it was a thousand Australian.
That's, what the heck?
That's like, that's like 2000.
And then I got a message from Connor immediately
after paying the bill, who he just said,
bastards.
Joey.
And they said, better get a video or photo for the pod.
and we have one photo.
One photo.
One blurry photo, Muna put it up.
Garl looks photoshopped in.
You gotta get a video
if you're spending it on the company card.
So, you know, we didn't break any of the rules.
We got a photo.
There were two core stakeholders in the business.
Beautiful photo of Kevin and my sister.
I mean, we had a meeting
with the highly decorated, critically acclaimed
anime composer Kevin Penkin.
as well, you know, this was clearly a business.
Do you know, do you know,
how many awards he's won, Connor?
Yeah.
How many, how many have I paid for?
I funded the office in his career.
I just, I just, there was this moment where I think Joey,
when we're playing the bill,
Joey's like, I wonder if Connor's gonna notice.
We put, we punch in the pin code within like 0.1 seconds
of us punching in the pincoats.
I can't, Connor, we get a message from Connor.
Would I know?
Of course I'd know this.
I'm not a, I'm not a buffoon like you've shown.
Connors just calling our accountant, cancel this, cancel this right now.
We have credit card for it.
I'm not in Australia right now.
This can't be done.
Yeah.
I'm glad you guys had to give me.
What was the meal?
What did you eat?
At least time we were you ate.
We went to the restaurant that we went to last year in Australia with the forbidden bread.
Do you remember that one?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bastards.
The one restaurant that I would actually.
should go back to in Australia.
Yeah. Yeah, we had the forbidden bread rolls
or whatever the hell what they were called.
Yeah, I don't know why they were-
The butter of the gods or something.
I don't know why they were forbidden originally
and then I tasted them and apparently only royalty
ate this beforehand or something like that.
Yeah, I felt like I was committing a sin eating these.
Yeah, like, that bread is so far.
Yeah, and then I had one taste, I was like,
holy shit, this is why it's forbidden.
Peasants can't touch this bread, okay.
And also because it costs a thousand fucking dollars.
Jesus.
It is always like, okay, there is, okay,
I would say the forbidden bread was worth the hype,
but I always get suss, right?
Whenever someone goes to like a fancy restaurant.
And, you know, all they can talk about was,
okay, this meal costs this much,
but that bread though, man, that bread just hit different.
And they don't talk about the rest of the whatever
Mitchland star meal.
That was literally the meal I had with you,
the British one, the Michelin Star.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
The bread was godlike.
Yeah, the, the, uh, the,
and it was heavy and it was lots of it.
Yeah, it was the best, it was the only thing I remember.
Yeah, yeah, well, it's the only thing I remember
about this, did it.
After the bread, it just times, it just like time skips to,
I got King Crimson into like,
we should use the company card.
I mean, listen, the bread was good.
If only you could have brought me a slice pack or something.
It would have been, right?
Would it would have been, would have been,
wouldn't have been the same without the freshly baked.
It tasted even better knowing it was on the company.
That was the sweetest spice for Joey.
What was the cheap show quote?
It was like, the secret ingredient is crime.
Okay.
I've been going to this Yankee Tory restaurant
for a very long time now.
And the owner, they absolutely don't like foreigners there.
Okay, they've had to whip out
the Tanaka multiple times to get the reservation.
And I've been there multiple times
where someone will come in, foreigner,
they'll be like, oh, no, we're full.
And then if Japanese person will come in,
literally right after, because I'm right next to the door.
And they'll be like, ah, yeah, right there.
So they, but they have an English menu,
which is counterintuitive, right?
So it's my favorite Yakutori spot.
And I must have gone like 20, 25 times.
And I've desperately tried to be like,
like this, like this, the chef to notice me.
Because I'm like, please respect me
as a customer who comes back all the time.
Yeah.
Finally, after going about this time,
this month I've gone like six times.
Jesus.
I just, it's so fucking fire that it's so good that I'm not sure
if the xenophobia makes it taste better or worse.
But it's so fire.
No one has ever cooked chicken like that in my life.
It's literally a chicken breast.
It's like that meme where it's like,
I literally don't understand you like,
this is everything to me.
And I finally, finally went.
And then the first time I come in,
He normally always asks me for my name.
The chef comes out, he's like, all right, here you go.
He's like, no name, no name.
I was like, no name, no name.
He's like, where do you wanna sit?
I was like, where do I wanna sit?
This is great, unheard of level.
The chef's like, I only mean so many white tanax.
He's like, the past like six times,
he'd always smirk and I'd always say like hi to him
and I'd always be like, oh, long time to see.
I'd be like the food's fire.
So good man, crushed it.
And so finally, finally, he was,
He's super chill towards me now after like 30 times of going.
It's like a dating sim, you know.
You've gone enough times where you've-
Genuinely.
Yeah, you have to do the interaction over and over again
to get the gay job.
Yeah. And this dude wouldn't, like for like the first 15 times
I went, wouldn't crack a smile, wouldn't even look at me.
And now I finally got it on the point
where he'll have a little chat with me now.
It's literally that gants me, like, you, white, white, boy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think so.
He's like, he's like, this guy's not so bad.
Yeah.
This guy's chill.
Hell yeah.
That's always the best feeling as well,
especially when you can like bring a friend or something
and you're like, I know a place.
This guy right here, him and I are homies.
This guy sorts us out, no worries about it.
Yeah, he'll sort us out.
The ultimate final step is if I walk in
without a reservation, if he'll figure it out for me.
That's like the final, the final boss of smoozing your way.
You're gonna have to like purchase the DLC for that one.
Yeah.
I mean, God knows how much I spend.
It's pretty like, it's like, it's like,
middle tier Yakutori price price.
It's not like a course.
It's like you can order as much you,
I gotta take you guys actually.
I feel like that's the best,
because I've been to some,
there are certain things like sushi and yakitori
where I feel like the best experience I've had
is that middle range.
So far.
Because when you go to such high range,
I'm just like, eh.
I'm not enough of a food snob to like appreciate this.
Exactly, exactly.
I don't really appreciate this
or whatever fine ingredients you're adding to this
for this experience.
It just kind of tastes very similar.
It's literally just chicken and salt,
and I don't know how the hell he does it,
but everything tastes insane.
But they're always sold out of everything
by the time I arrive.
Right. So like, they sell chicken wings.
I've never seen them.
I don't know.
That's because they're the best.
Because when you said chicken breast,
I'm like, of course the chicken breast
is left over.
Nobody wants.
No, no, no, no.
They have like, you go in
and then they have like three different types
of chicken you can choose from.
They're like, this is the chicken from Auerre.
It's the best one.
Ah.
And then this, and then when you order
the like Negima, for example,
They'll give you like a piece of the thigh, breast,
and something else with a namer.
It's so good.
And they, and they, I don't know how.
He has the perfect crisp on it,
like crackling on the chicken.
It's godlike.
Doesn't matter which of where the chicken comes from though?
Hey, when you taste this,
you'll be like, he's on something.
Okay.
This man is cooking something.
Okay, okay.
And they do this one day,
I took Chris recently,
because Chris loves it too.
Yeah.
He's one dish with it.
He literally just yakitori's cheese.
Like a block of cheese?
It's literally just a blocker.
It's like the only like weird thing.
Like it's like normally, okay, here's the deal.
If you're in a Yakutori place
and they have like a million things
that they'll put cheese on,
you're probably in like the wrong spot,
I'd say.
Because a lot of places just don't do that.
Maybe they'll do like a pork with cheese
or like asparagus with cheese.
Sometimes they do like that.
But it's like normally it.
But if they start fucking around with cheese like crazy,
you're normally in like a really weird
or cheap place.
They're trying to mask something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So normally I don't go for it, but they're just one thing on the menu.
The only thing that involves cheese is just literally a smoked block cheese.
They'll jackatoria.
And it's so good.
And they didn't have it.
And Chris was about to have like an aneurysm.
I don't know when I told them they were sold out.
It's like, no cheese.
Well, yeah, because it's one of those restaurants where they like,
they buy only the amount like really they need for the day.
So like, and it closes it like 9 p.m.
Okay.
So if you- So is it like a lunchtime place?
No, no, it's, it opens from five.
and they normally saw up by now.
Holy fuck.
Holy shit.
That must be good then.
It's so far.
That's how you know this place is like popping off.
It's getting,
it's getting more popular too.
And I'm like,
no,
no.
Because I used to be able to like reserve the day before
and I have to do like four days before.
It's all those TikToks.
I found this hidden gem in Tokyo
and by next week it's like,
have you ever had yapsori cheese?
You can at this place.
People always ask me like,
oh, can you tell me like the place,
like the restaurant?
I'm like, well,
I go that like every day.
So no.
It's not that I don't want you to
It's that I don't want it to be like a fan.
No, it is that I don't want you to go as well.
I'm not trying to gatekeep, but I just don't want it to be a fan meet up
when I go to my joint.
I'll happily say I am trying to gate you.
Yeah, I'm trying to gate you that shit.
I know this is my safe space.
Fuck you guys.
Sometimes there's nothing more sacred to me than just a nice meal.
There are some restaurants where, you know, for me,
I just feel at home there.
Yeah.
Also, I like in Japan, I normally ask,
if I tell people publicly, I normally like to ask,
ask the guy.
Like, is it cool if I tell people?
Cause I don't want them to be like,
holy shit, when all these fucking foreigners come from.
Yeah, yeah.
Which is it, which a lot of them will be like.
I have to crank my xenophobia up to an 11.
No, genuinely, there are places that will be like,
oh yeah, you wanna promote it?
Oh, awesome. He's like, but, and then I'm like,
oh, you've got a lot of foreigners.
He's like, maybe don't.
Yeah.
And you're like, oh, okay, okay.
I was like, you know what?
I don't like money.
Yeah, it's just a lot of them are like money
or dealing with foreign customers
who I don't really understand as well.
It's like, I'll just, like comfort.
Yeah, comfort.
Yeah, yeah, most people say would comfort anyway.
Yeah.
To end with.
I, I, I, I had my first experience of a Japanese sarcasm.
No way.
Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Only took, uh, five years.
It, it, it only took five years.
It was like very subtle.
You found the shiny Pokemon on Japanese people.
You know, talking about like finding hidden gems
or stuff like that.
So me and, me and city like,
I found Wienitini just randomly wandered into this bar.
And it's just like, it's, it's one of those like fucking tiny, tiny ass bars.
Love those ones.
Love those places.
And it's run by one old Japanese guy who seems like, you know, you know,
sometimes when you get the air that someone just, someone has experienced,
someone's like done scene shit, you know.
So, so we go into this bar.
And this place is decked out with Ashtanojo.
Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah.
posters.
That's tight.
Merchandise.
It is completely filling up like the entirety of the war, along with like some
shikishis that I think are by some like the Ashina-Jou and the Joe staff members.
Damn.
And like I think there was like an illustration from the actual author himself sitting somewhere.
So we go in and we're like, oh this is cool.
So and Sydney tries to strike up a conversation with the bartender.
And the first thing she asked is, so.
So you like Ashtanojo?
And the bartender, the bartender,
the bartender stares at her in silence, looks around like that.
And he just stares at her again and just goes, no.
And I was like, oh, okay, there are some Japanese people
can be sarcastic.
All right, all right.
Yeah.
Um, but, probably like the worst way to open a conference.
Yeah, it's like, no shit.
Yeah.
So you come here often?
But, uh, no, it ended up being like, I, I, you know,
sometimes you find like the most random bars
and random places in Japan.
Um, so we got, we got talking to this,
this bartender and this bar's been like, been around for fucking eons, right?
And I see this chicashy, uh, standing, uh, on like the wall.
and it says Guy Ritchie on it, right?
Okay.
And I'm like, that's probably like a random guy.
That's just someone else randomly called.
There might be a common name.
There might be a common name.
Whatever, whatever.
It might be a common name.
So I asked him, well, what's the story behind this?
And he shows me a picture.
And it's Guy fucking Ritchie,
the director of Snatch and Lockstock 2 smoking barrels.
I was like, what the fuck?
Why did Guy Ritchie come to this bar?
And he was like, oh no, no, no, no.
You're like, there's like been plenty of people
that have come to this bar.
And so he goes through like, he goes through,
he starts scrolling through like his camera roll, right?
And he says, Franz Ferdinand,
shit de masca.
And he shows me.
Which one?
No, no, no, no, the band.
Oh, okay, yeah.
The band, Franz Ferdinand.
Yeah, yeah, the World War I.
Yeah, yeah, the World War I.
He's still alive?
Well, actually, no, Joe.
That's actually why.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then he shows me, and it's just like the France
Fernand and the band just sitting like right over there
at the office table before we're sitting at.
And the thing that really blew my mind was he scrolls up a bit more.
He was like, ah, Zakilas.
So.
Why are they all going to this bar?
It was just like this random kind of like very small rock.
It's like everyone you love.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is like everyone that I fucking love
that has gone to this bar.
So random.
And yeah, apparently, I think it's like
just a very popular bar for bands that perform in Japan
to go to afterwards.
And I guess like word of mouth spread around.
Because it's like a very, very small rock bar
that happens to have so many Ashinajo shit around it.
And it just made, and it just like,
I was just fucking surprised that this
had this much history and this much cool shit going on.
Sometimes you can find hidden gems in Japan.
Because I remember I took you guys to another bar
where there was this bar, I think, was it in Shibuya?
Where everyone could write like a message
on the wall and shit like that.
Do you remember this bar?
Yes, I do remember that.
The one where you carve in the wall?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I remember that one.
Yeah, I remember that one.
Yeah, and I remember randomly going to
in there, how I discovered it was it was just another bar,
randomly go into, and I was just like,
I saw like the strokes on, on like the bar wall
being carved in with like signatures.
And I was like, that's no, there's no way
that's the real strokes, right?
There's no way that's the real strokes.
And I googled like the signatures of each of the band members
and it fucking matched up.
Jesus.
And, yeah, I don't know.
I sometimes go to like, just go to like random
places, random bars.
You can find like, you know,
Connor has plenty of stories about random Nike
club encounters, my bar encounters.
And you can just find the most random shit
because you don't know, you don't know what you're gonna find.
Yeah, that was like when I went to,
the secret Nintendo bar that I got invited to,
like a couple of months ago.
And I went into the toilet and it's the exact same thing.
Like this whole thing is just like decked out
with Nintendo shit, which is cool.
But like you go into the toilet
and the toilet's just covered in signatures
of like all the people who went there.
And I was like, oh, okay, this is always fun
to look at because it's like,
I wonder what kind of person would stumble upon this place.
Yeah.
But like, before I could do that,
I was immediately distracted by this giga massive,
like just illustration and the signatures underneath.
Because it was just fucking Maxim the Hall, though.
That's cool.
Like all of them is just like, one of them,
I guess was just like, I'm gonna be shitting here for a while.
I'm just gonna draw this giant illustration on this wall
and then throw in a couple of signatures.
And I'm like, I cannot imagine the members
the maximum the hormone being like, yay, Nintendo bar.
It's just so weird to think about.
Everyone likes Nintendo.
Yeah, everyone does.
Until you get sued.
Yeah.
Until you get sued.
I think the most wholesome thing I founded that bar because I mean,
Sydney, you've gone to there in a while.
And sometimes we just like to read the different things that people have carved into the
walls and stuff.
And there was this one message that someone carved into one of the tables that said,
I want to be a composer.
Oh, yeah, I, yeah.
My dream is to be a composer.
Right.
signed his name, signed the date,
and it was like all the way back in like the 90s or 80s.
And I was just like, I wonder if this guy actually made it.
And we googled his name.
And lo and behold, he was a fully fledged anime composer
who had worked on, I think, some big profile anime films.
I was like, damn.
You've heard the story before on Trash Taste.
Have we? Yes.
Have we?
I think, I think we're-
The guy who told the story doesn't even remember.
We're at that point of trash taste
where we're just recycling old stories
without realizing.
But you've actually told the story on trash taste.
I thought I told you guys at the bar.
No, no, you told us on trash taste.
Okay, okay, okay.
There's too many damn episodes of this podcast, man.
There's also been occasions where I've said
that you've told it on trash taste
and it turned out you hadn't.
And I thought you had, like you said at the bar.
But I'm pretty sure this one you told on trash taste.
I could be wrong.
Because I'm like...
But I was like, I may as well let the story play out
in case no one has heard it.
Audience find the episode where gone talks about the story.
Yeah, because you have a 50-50 chance
because sometimes we do repeat stories.
Yeah, there's such why I'm friends of the outsiders.
Yeah, yeah.
I can't fucking remember which one
which ones when you told me outside are interesting.
Because I literally can't remember, okay,
I know I've told this story, but have I told this story
to the boys in person privately?
Or have I told this to the boys on the podcast?
And sometimes it's hard to remember.
I also learned, you know, there's bars that say,
it's a thing in Japan, some bars say members only.
It turned out it's just bullshit.
Wait, what?
It's not actually members.
Like, how do you think members bars work?
It's through word of mouth, like, recommendations?
Yeah, like, how do you think you, like, get a membership?
Well, normally you get a membership from, like, someone who's already a member.
Yeah, but, like, they don't, like, I realize that, like, most bars, okay, maybe some of them do.
But, like, most of them don't actually have, like, some kind of, like, system.
Really?
It's just kind of, like, yeah, because I took a friend out to Golden Guy because they wanted to go explore it.
And I was like, well, I was like, all right, well, let me show you have.
did it. We had a really good time.
And normally what I do when I get a golden guy's,
I'll just ask the bartender, why do I get,
why do I go drink next?
And one of them was really cool.
And they told us to go to this other bar,
which it was in like this really weird location.
I would never,
you'd never be able to find it in Golden Guy.
Because it was in some weird back alley
that you had to go up a building across like a,
yeah, it was really weird.
It was really, really weird.
And it was just like tucked away
what you'd think is someone's apartment,
but it's still technically a golden guy.
Okay.
Went in it.
And it was just like someone's manga
a room. And a bunch of dudes, and they were like a V-tuber. It was fun. We did a great time. And then I
asked them like, hey, where should I go drink next? Was it the anime bar? No, no, it's not anime bar.
It's like a really hidden away, like just manga bar and the bar owner was super chill. Okay.
And I was like, where should I drink next? She's like, oh, go to these two bars. They're
members bars, but if you just say my name, it'll be okay. I was like, okay. So I went into the first
one, said her name. Got her no problem. They were closing up. And then we were like,
Oh, no, no. The person recommended us to come here.
She was like, oh, okay, well, have a drink then.
All right.
I was like, oh, okay, cool.
And I went to this other bar.
It was so cool.
It was like, the other bar they recommended was in Golden Guy, right?
I've never seen this before.
It wasn't, there's no signs for it at all.
It was like in a Yaki Tori restaurant in Golden Guy.
You have to go to all the way to the back of it.
And there's stairs that go up, up to like an attic.
And then it was this giant attic area.
And it was so fucking cool.
And then they were like, ah, you can't go up there.
I was like, oh no, this person told us to come here.
They were like, oh, okay, go ahead.
And then went in.
And they were all members bars.
And it's like, we didn't have any, like,
well, maybe that's the membership, right?
Members should get into friendship.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You name dropped.
That is the member.
That is the, yeah, but I realized, like,
I thought that you're to like, there's like a monthly fee
or you had to- No, no, no, why would you think,
have you seen this bar?
Because I've been to other bars.
It's not like a Netflix subscription.
I have been to other bars where, um,
you actually get a cart and it's like a,
that's how you get in.
But they're normally a lot bigger.
But I realize the smaller bars are all just their way of saying,
please don't come in unless someone has vouched that you're cool.
It's basically just vibe check, you know.
Yeah, yeah, I learned that, I learned that.
Yeah, do you just have, do you have someone to vouch?
All right. Yeah.
Yeah, because at the other bar, she was like,
oh, you should go here because all the people who go there
work on anime and video games.
I was like, oh, okay, cool.
So went over there.
And sure enough, we go up.
And it's just like four people who are like, yeah, we're from software.
We're working long hours.
I was like, hey, boy, Alenring was great, right?
They're like, yeah.
Yeah.
I haven't had time to play.
I haven't played it yet.
But the bar was so sick.
And I was like, he wouldn't even show up on Google.
It was like nothing.
It was totally hidden away in the side of a yakutori restaurant.
Yeah.
It was so cool.
Such a fun night out.
Yeah, hell of it.
But it's just pain.
I just can't drink that much.
She can't do that.
You can't do that anymore.
Can't do that, man.
I drank till four and I was just like in pain.
Oh.
Me, it's not even about the drinking.
It's just staying up till four.
It's like the struggle now.
I feel so tired.
Yeah, even sober, I'm just like, oh, it's four o'clock,
I'm done.
Even like 10, I'm like, fuck.
Yeah.
I remember arriving back from Australia with Joey
for, and we landed in Narita,
which was like the first time I've landed in Narita,
I think since I've moved here.
Oh, God, I hit Narrow, you know.
And I just like, I just had like a fucking wave of nostalgia,
Because I was like, the only time I've landed in Narita
was when I came here as a tourist, you know, bright-eyed.
And I'm like, you know what this reminds me of, Joey?
I land in Narita and I'm like, when am I gonna have
my all-night karaoke session with me, Joey?
That was like, that was like the first thing I thought.
And I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
I can't do that anymore.
Yeah, I can't do that shit anymore, man.
Dude.
When I landed in Narita, I was at the ticket machine
getting the ticket for the Express.
What was it called?
Skyliner? No, the other one.
Narry Express.
Narritory Express.
And when I was there, there was these like,
these four really elderly Australian people
trying to figure out the machine.
And they had it in Chinese for some reason.
And I was like, I was like, all right, I'll help.
So I wanted to take a help though.
I was like, hey, I, let me do this.
She's like, I don't know why it's all in this funny language.
And I was like, you click Chinese.
And then you switch to the Japanese,
like, nothing changed.
I was like, let's put it in English.
them. And then, and then, I was like, you know what, fuck it. I'll just help them with everything.
Because I was like, they look so lost. And I'm sure that these are my parents. Yeah. I wish that
someone else would help them. Yeah, of course. So I started helping them. And then I, uh, I, when I was booking
the tickets, I was like, well, you know, I'm, I'm sitting here. If you want, you can sit right next to me if you
want. So I booked them all the seats right next to me. So I was chatting with them the whole time.
And then when we got to like, uh, I don't know where we, Tokyo Station, they were like,
we're going to this exit and I was like, oh, I'm not going to take you there.
Yeah, I'm going to show you the way.
And then I showed them the way and they were like,
um, would you, um, just maybe just come with us to the exit just to make sure?
And I was like, all right, fine.
So I walked them all the way through Tokyo Station to the exit.
And I'm like, go straight and then turn right and that's your hotel.
Yeah.
You'll be okay.
They were, thank you son.
I was like, all right, all right.
So I was babysitting them for like an hour and a half while I was trying to get home.
I wasn't even getting off at 10.
Tokyo. Yeah, got off in Tokyo to help them.
Because I was like, you know, fuck it, fine.
I'll, I can figure it out.
A good lad.
Good Samarison. They seem so lost.
Yeah.
So if you have Australian parents from Brisbane,
uh, that got lost and a British boy helped them,
you're welcome.
I don't know, I don't know if they had kids.
I didn't ask.
Yeah.
They just kept telling me about how different London was from 40 years ago.
I was like, okay.
I wasn't born.
Yeah.
I wasn't alive back then.
I was like, this really helped me out now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They were really nice there, but so many tourists
and the trains suck.
Buying trains, the Nareach Express,
or the Skyline are such a tedious task.
Yeah, it is.
And it doesn't, even though the machines are kinda okay,
they need to get rid of that limited express bullshit.
They do, they do.
Japan has this, and we've complained about a few times,
where Japan will, it's very unclear
what type of ticket you're buying.
Even in English, and even as someone who's done it
a million times.
Like a hundred times.
I still look at it for a second, I'm like,
I'm clicking seat reserve,
that's what I'm clicking,
not limited express,
ticket only.
Why?
Okay.
Yeah.
I don't know why they give you that option
because you can't get on the train
if you don't have the other ticket.
It's, it's, I think the reason why the system is in place
is for if you have like a, for example,
like a J.R. rail pass or some other kind of pass.
You can book the seat or something.
Oh, because the ticket is already covered
by the J.R.
Yeah.
So it's, it's, it's, I think it's the best they can get.
I just wish that they, you know,
there was, it was like hidden away,
like in the corner for people who obviously
knew they needed that.
I don't know, just, it feels really annoying
because it's like, most of the time
it's just very confusing.
And I'm not a fan of the system.
But, you know, ages ago,
we did our Japan travel guide?
For some reason, I think we said, like,
don't use the Naurita Express.
And I was like, why do they say that?
Why do we say that?
It's just doesn't make sense.
We said that.
Because I think at the time.
Because I think we said,
just use the skyliner.
Yeah, but they both go to different places.
Oh, from Narita, yeah.
Yeah.
So it's like, just not correct at all.
Because if you're just not going that direction,
because like Skyline goes like Nishinipoli,
Oeno, and then the other one goes like via Tokyo
to Yokohama or wherever the fuck else.
Yeah, I mean, I think it was made the fuck up.
No, man, the Narito Express was just like
ridiculously expensive compared to.
It is kind of expensive, yeah.
It is expensive.
It is way more expensive than the Skyliner.
It's like half the price, I'm pretty sure,
of the Nerator Express.
Well, it was when I first came here.
Either way, it fucking sucks.
And this is why I handed as the Chad Airport.
Also, I think the reason why we said it is just for people,
just to say to people, don't fucking use Narita.
Yeah, go to Haneda.
Yeah, 5,000 yen for an adult.
Honestly, like the extra, that is, that is,
that can't be the price.
I mean, I pay like 4,000 yen for mine.
For the Narita Express?
Yeah.
Fuck, why do I remember paying, like,
like, I don't know,
back when I first paid.
It's not, it's not that expensive.
I think the green class for me was like 4,000 yen.
Okay, yeah.
Maybe my memory's just shit.
You know what's funny?
Narita is fucking dead.
Oh, yeah.
There's like no one at the airport.
Because everyone listened to our podcast.
Yeah.
But also a lot of flights do go to Hanada now.
But like, yeah, I was kind of shocked.
I was like, I landed like in the evening, like 7, 8 p.m.
Yeah.
And I was like, where the fuck is everyone?
Well, it's also because now that Hanada
has become an international airport.
Because Nauta used to pop off
because that was the only international airport.
Hunterda only used to be domestic.
So now that Hunter does international
and Nathita doesn't do domestic,
it's just like, well, I guess
there's not as many people wanting to go
all the way out into the fucking boonies.
True.
Yeah, but Hannaa is superior.
Hunter is superior everywhere.
I think I'm going to Narita again soon.
Fuck.
Some flights, like the flight to Australia to Melbourne
is only from Narita.
Yeah.
But actually, you know what?
Like, it's so annoying getting to Narita
that I'm actually like, I think it's just worth
having a layover.
I'm just like, fuck this.
I wouldn't go that far.
I wouldn't go that far.
I don't know.
I hate.
It's the boonies,
but it's not that far away.
Yeah.
Actually getting back,
you know what?
Actually sucks as well.
The narrator,
the narrative express,
the times are shit.
It's like once every like 30 minutes or something.
Oh, no, maybe more than that.
It's like 30, 40 minutes.
Yeah, so I had just missed one.
I'd wait 40 minutes around.
I was like, this sucks.
I just got off a plane.
It's like 8 p.m. now,
and I got to wait another like hour to get home.
This shit.
Yeah, it is.
It's fucking awful airport.
Don't go to Narita if you can avoid it.
But it seems like a lot of other things have been happening around the world currently.
Like what?
Like what?
You know, you know, Connor.
You know.
Even if you don't care, Connor.
Even if you don't care.
And to be fair, I never ended up.
I didn't really care about it because we're talking about Kendrick versus Drake, by the way.
The beef of the century.
We're like the lamest people on earth.
We are the lamest people on the life.
We're very late to this by the time this comes out.
Yeah, so we're currently recording this,
and it's popping off right now,
but we're gonna be about two weeks desynced,
and by that time, I'm sure Kendrick has released a full album.
We have such a knack for talking about stuff,
and then it develops so wildly
that whatever we said is so irrelevant.
We've done this so many times,
because we're so late to it.
So to date this episode, right now,
the latest development is that Drake's estate got shot up
by someone.
It's not been confirmed.
Which hasn't been confirmed yet.
We're still trying to figure it out.
I thought they were just rapping.
What's going on?
Oh no, this is, bro.
I've been following this from the very beginning.
This shit is gone beyond.
As somebody who like very much struggles to care
about what's happening, why should I care
and what is the significance?
So basically, you know, normally rap beef
is kind of just like, you know,
just fucking making fun of each other
until one of them steps down or one of them, you know, gets fucked up.
But in this case, uh, Kendrick went so, diabolically hard.
Oh, Kendrick went so diabolically hard. It's, it's crazy.
Do you want to explain the beef from the beginning?
Because even like, I will say this for the record.
I don't like, like, they're, why are they beefing?
Okay, so the beef from the very beginning, okay?
Drake releases a track with J-Cole called first person shooter,
which became like number one all over.
over the world. It's a great track. I like it. But in that track, Drake was like comparing,
so basically putting himself, J-Col and Kendrick and calling them the big three, right?
Well, did he actually use that? He actually used the term of the big three.
Oh my God. This is like schoolyard shit. Yeah. So he called, he called them the big three, right?
And then about four months later, I would say, uh, Future in Metro Boomin came out with an album on
one of those tracks, Kendrick was a feature on it, and he did a feature verse in response to
that claim. And he said, fuck the big three, it's just the big me. So basically from there,
he was just like, no, fuck that. I'm not, I'm not buddy, buddy with you guys. Fuck you guys. I'm,
I'm the big shit. Not you guys. So obviously that's, you know, incited a war between
Kendrick and Jake Hall and Drake. Jay Cole was the first one to respond with a really
crappy disc track that he clearly rushed, which was very bad. People clowned on him for that.
So much so that a couple of days later, publicly, he actually apologized for releasing that track.
I don't know who J-Cole is, by the way. J-Col is a very big rapper, basically. I don't listen to
rap. Right. It was evident. Wow, I couldn't have guessed. I don't listen to rap. I don't listen to rap either.
Okay. For the record. So J-Cole, really big artist right now. You know, a lot of people love him,
But he releases this disc track, disc track on Kendrick, went terribly, fell flat on its face.
And in a live concert, he publicly was like, yo, that was really lame of me.
I'm going to take the L. I'm going to delete the song. That was really stupid of me.
And the internet fucking clown on him. Because that's never happened in a rap beat before, right?
So people are like, oh, Jay calls a fucking pussy, blah, blah, blah.
Then Drake releases a track being like, no, I'm not going to be the pussy. I'm going to stand down and be the man and actually
fight Kendrick on it.
A couple of them released tracks with one another,
against each other.
And then Drake releases this track called Family Matters,
which was pretty, you know, big allegations being thrown around,
being like, oh, Kendrick, like, abuses his wife,
you know, all this kind of like terrible stuff.
Not even 30 minutes after that track gets released,
Kendrick's surprise releases with a response called Meet the Grams.
And that song is the most brutal fucking song I've ever heard in my life.
So basically he's like calling him a deadbeat dad, you know, saying that his entire organization is put full of files, that he is supposedly has another secret child that he's been hiding. All these like insane alligator. And like he compares Drake to Weinstein in this track. It's really mean. Really disgusting. Like and a lot of people are like, okay, now this is like getting beyond beef. And then if that wasn't enough, less than 24 hours after that track,
He releases, Kendrick releases another track.
I'm gonna go back to back with this shit.
Yeah. And releases basically like a club hit
to kind of like make fun of Drake,
but the contents of it were just absolutely brutal as well.
Just being like, oh, you know, certified lover boy, certified.
Oh, that's a line that I remember quite a bit.
It's because he had a lot of allegations about
yeah.
Yeah, my favorite line from that song is trying to strike a chord,
but it's probably a minor.
Yeah, I mean, that's a funny one.
Which is like, that's fire.
And yeah, so that happened.
And then Drake, I think just yesterday or the day before,
released a response, but people are kind of speculating
that the beef might be over because this new track by Drake,
he's definitely playing defense.
He's like, he's not bringing out any new stuff
towards Drake and he's kind of just like,
no, I'm not, I'm not, I don't have a secret child.
I'm not a, no, you.
No, I saw my son of his defense was like,
I can't be a, because I'm, I'm too famous.
Yeah, what the fuck are you talking about?
Yeah, there's never ever been a famous, no, never, never at all.
It was absolutely gonna get demonetized.
Yeah, there like 15 times.
PDF file.
Pdhads, yeah, he's downloading PDF files.
Yeah, so that's where we currently at right now
with this whole beef and it's just been insane because normally with rap beefs,
it never went that far.
Usually they just like keep it within just like the songs and everything,
but Kendrick is really actually trying to,
In one of those tracks, he straight up said
that Drake should die.
Yeah.
Oh wow.
Which is like, whoa.
I think, I remember him opening up with,
because, okay, for the records,
I don't listen to rap.
I don't usually care about rap,
but this entire thing got me interested in rap.
Like, unironically, this was cool beef.
This, it's, I mean, I, I don't ironically,
I, as someone who has no, like,
who has never had much interest in that kind of, like,
that culture or like the rap industry in general.
What do you mean, your rap's great?
Yeah, yeah, it's fantastic.
I wrote myself, Conner, by the way.
That's like you can tell.
Well, I, as a good rapper, I would shatter, right.
I would get a shatter ride, a ghost ride.
You're like Drake, you got the ghost ride.
Well, I don't get that.
I just like I don't want to be compared to Drake.
All right, let's not, let's not.
Sounds like a pretty harsh comparison to make, Jerry.
My bad, my bad.
No, but this genuinely got me interested
in just the entire Colour
and rap music in general.
This was one of the best, you know,
from like a third person thing,
one of the best marketing things,
marketing events that could happen
for rap music in general,
because it's got so many people,
a lot of people who have like never talked about rap
before, never had any interest,
and it's been this beef that has been such a big event
that people cannot help but focus on it, you know?
Yeah, because I mean like,
the Kendrick tracks alone, I think, like,
like the Meet the Graham's track,
I think I saw got like 12 million views
in the first day or something.
It's like, it's become like the most streamed
or played rap song of this year already.
And it's the most fucking, like,
it's not something you should be listening to.
I remember, I think,
I think that was the first track
I actually listened to for this beef
because I was like, what the fuck are people talking about?
So I listen to Meet the Grayans.
And have,
Having absolutely zero context for what was going on.
And then hearing Kendrick be like, yo,
I assumed it was like Drake's son or something like that.
Adonis, yeah.
Yeah, I was like, yo, sorry that your grandfather
didn't use a condom.
I was like, what?
What?
Yeah, me, the Greens was brutal
because he was actually, it was posed in this,
it was a really cool,
and kind of creative structure for a beef song
where instead of directly addressing Drake,
he poses the song as like him writing letters
to each member of his family.
So he starts off with Drake's son Adonis,
who by the way, was originally hidden
from the public until another rapper Pusha T
actually exposed that.
So now with the second track of him...
Adonis.
Adonis, yeah.
I'm like, okay, that's a name.
But like, yeah, so he basically like...
He's called a kid Zeus.
Yeah.
But like he basically opens up like, you know, saying like,
speaking to like Adonis and being like,
oh, you know, your father is a terrible father figure.
You know, let me be a father figure for you
since your daddy wasn't around
and like telling all this horrible stuff to his son.
And then he goes after like Drake's parents.
And then he's, and you know, just being like,
talking to his dad being like,
your son is a fucking manipulator and like,
I'm blaming you for his gambling addictions.
And I'm just like, bro, this is just, this is,
this is, this is, this is,
Devious. This is beyond devious, man. This is devilish. This is, this is, this is, it's absolutely devilish. It's not, it's not. It's not it can sound like a fucking Disney villain. No, it's just, it's just evil. It's just really, really mean stuff. It's a little bit mean. It's a mega mean. It's a little bit. It doesn't matter because the internet's decided that he's won. So, so, yeah, as, from what I'm seeing right now, I'd say maybe, I'd say maybe,
about 80, 90% of the people who are actually interested in this beef are saying like,
yeah, I think Kendrick won, which I agree with. I think it's interesting from like,
the reason I got invested into this whole beef was just, it was, it was like the music and
also just the way that they almost played the PR game. Like, I do think for more my
worthless opinion on rap, Kendrick's songs, you know,
Kendrick's songs sounded better to me.
That doesn't mean anything.
I mean, I much prefer Kendra.
Music maybe beeps and boobs, you know,
and to me rap is like, ours and ums, you know?
I was like, most of the time this means nothing to me,
but for like, for once, this is the first time
I actually sat down and I was like,
all right, all right, all right, Gant,
focus in for a second, lock in, Gant, lock in.
I saw my videos from like teachers that were like,
Yeah, it's what kids are talking about.
Yeah, there's like videos from like,
like university scholars.
Yeah, kids are fighting based on like
who their allegiance lies with.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you're like a Drake kid,
you're being bullied right now,
which is a Drake kid sounds terrible.
Yeah.
A Drake fan, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah, so right now, Drake fans,
the, you know, there's a lot of memes going around
and the memes have been great of like,
you know, just Drake fans, just huffing,
just copious amounts of copium.
Yeah.
And all the people just being like, you know,
Jay Cole is like sitting in a field of flowers right now.
And the third reason I've been invested
is just because the memes are fucking fire, man.
Oh, there's so many good memes coming out of this.
I mean, whenever there's a good cultural event.
Yeah.
It's, dude, memes are ensured, ensue.
Like the submarine, the memes are good on that,
even though that was terrible.
But the memes, there were a lot of memes.
Whenever anyone's like all talking about something.
I mean, this is terrible as well if you think about it.
If like, if any of like the allegations
from either side, if any of them come out
to actually be true, like that is pretty, like,
career ending for either one.
I mean, it's more than career ending.
This is, this is, one of the allegations
is just a crime.
Oh, yeah.
You'd be surprised how in entertainment industry,
how much people get away with.
Well, yeah.
We know very well.
This is, you know, you know,
especially the music industry.
Yeah, music industry, my God.
Yeah.
But it's been such a delight just to see
fucking this after all of the years of like fucking fake
YouTuber beefs and ukulele apology videos
and you just realized.
Oh, finally some good food.
And yeah, you finally realize, oh, oh, this is what real beef looks like.
This is, this is what happens when someone,
when two people actually just fucking hate each other.
I'm just happy that Kendrick is actually finally releasing you music.
Honestly, as a fan, because he hasn't released stuff since like 20,
I think.
You know, normally there's no.
YouTube is the kind of almost benefit from drama,
but you'd think with, you know,
when you have an established music career,
there's kind of no real benefit.
I disagree, I think there's benefits of beef,
because at the end of, not beef like this.
Yeah, it depends, it's,
or not for Drake.
Yeah, it depends if you come out as the winner or not.
Yeah, exactly.
Even then, like, you know, if you,
even Kendra, you'll now have these people
who, you know, think that you are
all these horrible things.
Yeah, yeah.
And I think that normally,
the reason why we don't see this kind of beef or drama,
really, I really see it in rap
is because people are like, oh, I like money,
I like having a career, I'm just not gonna,
I'd rather just, yeah, keep working.
But yeah, it's just interesting,
because I just think the way Kendrick played this,
whether it was intentional or not,
music aside, was just fucking perfect.
This dude was playing 5D chain.
Yeah, he was.
I think I heard some of it, I don't know,
something good, yeah, cool.
No, it was great.
I have no idea.
I generally wish I, like, could get into it,
but I'm like, oh, okay.
No, because, like,
Like the way he like escalated the narrative to be like,
he always put the ball in Drake's court
and didn't allow him time to respond.
So I remember he released the track, Euphoria,
which I think was the first time being like.
That was his first response.
Yeah, that was the first time I heard people talking about it.
I was like, I don't know, this is some rap shit.
I don't know.
And then the second time I heard about it
was Meet the Graham's.
I didn't even know that Drake had released a track prior to that.
Because he released it 30 minutes after it came out,
so it completely smothered his response.
Yeah, so he, so he clearly,
he clearly just prepared a song.
Yeah. Knowing that, I don't know if you prepared one song
or multiple songs, knowing that Drake was going
to make a response about family and shit like that.
And he was like, all right, fucking play the L music.
I'm like, play the fucking L music.
I mean, there is something satisfying about watching
someone just be destroyed.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's kind of fun.
Like damn, yeah, he knew.
And then, and then just, just,
just seeing the way that played out
and seeing him control the narrative.
And then after that, just fucking kicking a,
kicking a man while he's down with the second track
before Drake could even respond.
And then afterward Drake trying to try,
Drake trying his best to pull a fucking Joseph Joe star
and be like, ha ha, I expected me,
I expected you to call me a pito.
And everyone was like, uh, Drake, I don't,
I don't think that's the argument, you think it is.
That's not the play you want it to be.
Drake, ah, no, the biggest, the biggest L that Drake took,
in my opinion was like after, like,
the whole accusation of like him hiding a secret child,
a second secret child came out about it.
He posted an Instagram story, which was like,
LaMau, if you can find me the secret daughter
that I'd love to know where it is,
but because there isn't one.
And then people are like,
but you're not gonna say anything about the sexual allegations,
the PDF file,
allegations, nothing about that? All right, man. That's a little yikes. Yeah. Why would him even
having a kid matter? He makes music. Well, I think it's just because, well, I think it's just because
people like, he's a deadbeat dad, you know? Like, this man is, this man is 37 going around,
like he's still, like, in his, like, early 20s, like having. Oh, you think what the concern is that
he doesn't want to be, like, seen like he's just not there for the kid at all? Well, he wasn't for
his first kid until Push-A-Tee literally forced him
to make Adonis go public.
Yeah. I mean, if you're a kid,
you should be fucking out for it.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, feel like he has no excuse.
And that's why the Kendrick track just bit even harder
because in the part where he's talking to Adonis,
he's just like, you know, be proud of who you are,
like, you know, be proud to be black,
be proud to be the person that you are
because, you know, your dad didn't do that for you.
And I'm just like, oh, that's fucking brutal.
Yeah, I've watched a video of like Andre 3000
just in a laundry mat,
just playing the first.
Yeah, the flute.
Yeah, yeah.
And he's like, yeah, I'm just chilling.
Yeah.
Gonna hang up my boy?
He released this like really weird, like 45 minute ambient flute album.
And I'm just like, all right, Andre Arrasnay.
He's literally like, this is like the two sides of rap.
Yeah.
You can just chill.
Like, he's just living his best life.
Well, that's what Jay Cole decides.
I think that's why Jay Cole decides to apologize.
Because he was probably like, this is going to get ugly.
I'm dipping out.
So I'm gonna watch Winlan Saga too and he's like, actually I have no idea.
I have no enemies.
I have no enemies.
They're just kind of like anti-raty, like, actually sorry, I don't.
Yeah, but that's why people were clowning on him at first, right?
But now everyone is like, we have to apologize to Jacob
for clowning on him, because that was the biggest brain move ever.
That man saved his career so hard by not getting involved in this.
Yeah, he saw the future and he was like,
I'm gonna take the right path.
Yeah, I'm gonna save my own career.
Yeah, so that's where we're currently at right now.
People are saying that it might be over because of Drake's response.
But there's nothing Drake can do.
The only thing that I see happening is Kendrick just continues.
Yeah.
Just release a whole album.
At this point, he could.
And people are gonna, people would eat it up.
He's already released four tracks.
That's a lot of tracks.
There's enough for an EP already.
So like, why does it take them so long to normal?
Is there no no inspiration to make me finally some,
I guess finally some inspiration.
To be fair, there is no greater power than being a hater.
Oh yeah.
It is, yes, do you see that tweet of like,
So there's some guy like critiquit some animation.
And then someone quite retreated being like,
the worst thing that ever happened to the animation industry
is all these motherfuckers like talking about production
of animation and critiquing it.
And then the guy replies being like,
I actually learned animation to become a hater.
Oh, I saw that sweet.
Fucking top 10 coldest week.
He gave like examples of his animation.
He's like, I literally learned to animate to critique.
And it literally had like the fucking,
the flash, you know that video?
Yeah, yeah.
Reverse flash.
Yeah.
Had such strong hater energy.
And I, I, you gotta respect it whenever someone is a hater.
It just learns a field to hate.
Top 10 quarter's tweets of all time.
Yeah, it was like when that fucking,
did you see the AI artist with the One Piece animator?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was funny too.
This, this, some guy was making AI art or something.
And then some guy replied, it was like,
This was like shit and he's like, oh, well, he was like something like,
you couldn't draw this.
And then he literally like replied with him a screenshot
of the credits of One Piece.
I literally want to get it.
I can draw this.
And I have.
That was one of the biggest ratios.
It was so cold.
Actual was so cold.
Yeah.
So you see this is like the good, this is like the good ratio where.
Yeah.
So like this guy goes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
He goes, I just watched.
an episode of One Piece and wanted to represent
what's going on here with AI generate image
for the enjoyment of my fans.
What fucking fans.
Yeah, and then the guy replies
learn how to color properly or learn how to draw to begin with.
Not even in your dreams, should you be able to make
an illustration like this?
I can do better, I can animate it
because I've been animating for One Piece,
you idiot.
That's a, that's a round of a force on that one.
It's perfect.
The layout, you just threw it up for him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He just comes in with the assist.
So, yeah.
It's like you, you can, there's so many ways
you could retort to a guy critiquing you.
And the, why you went for the, you couldn't do better.
It's so good.
Oh, God, I love that.
I, I, you know, anytime anyone gets a dunk like that
or a hater that goes hard, I'm like, all right, all right.
It's powerful, it's a powerful energy,
to be honest.
One out of, one out of a thousand tweets,
actually having the right dunk
instead of just being like engagement bait tweets.
True.
Because like have you seen the,
I don't know if it's like a trend
or like the recent thing where it's just random tech bros
being like, Marcus Brownlee shouldn't be critiquing.
Oh, I've seen that.
You know, I've realized what's going on
and I've noticed this more and more.
Yeah.
People have been setting up like quote retweet dunk tweets,
way more.
Because if you, if your tweet gets viewed,
you get money.
Yeah.
So I've seen people that are like setting up clear,
the most obvious bait and just waiting to get quote retreated
because they know that the quote retreat will pop off.
Yeah, so Twitter's actually unusable now.
That's why there's so many of those like,
look between L and H on your keyboard,
which is the worst fucking trend ever, please stop doing that.
That lasted a day.
So I'm glad.
I still see it to this day.
I saw like a tweet that was like, hey,
it was like, can we all agree that the chocolate
at the bottom of the Cornetta
is crap.
And it was the most obvious bait
I'd ever seen in my life.
And then the quote retreat was like,
not even a psychopath would say this.
Yeah.
And it had like 100,000 lights.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like, that shit, that shit adds up.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, obviously it's not, it's not like,
you can live off of it money, but yeah,
you know, if you're like a 15 year old kid
who wanted the farm change.
Yeah.
It's not a bad way to get a couple of hundred bucks.
Yeah, it's not bad.
But that's why, like, most of, like,
Twitter dunks or quote retweets or whatever is,
it's like, actually just unusually.
Oh yeah.
I think there's a second thing with like
the whole Marcus Brownlee situation.
Well I feel like that's a lot of people
though are setting up
because they know they're gonna get dunked on.
But like everyone who, every, it's like everyone,
it's kind of the same as like the whole crypto thing
which is why like, I mean, Crystal Bros are mentally.
Yeah, yeah, which everyone who I've seen criticize
or every two we have seen criticizing Marcus Brownlee,
which if you don't know the backstory, Marcus made a review
on this new piece of tech.
that had just got released, that had, I guess,
a fuck ton of venture capital funds.
There was two, there was the rabbit,
and then there was the pin, the, what is it called?
The pin camera or something.
Both like AI powered,
garbage, garbage.
Both AI powered assistance or something along those lines.
And he basically called it shit, barely,
I think the first-
Barely reviewable.
Barely reviewable, and I think the other one
was the worst product I've ever reviewed.
You have to be doing something.
something colossally wrong for Marx to say that it's
unreviewed, because I mean the guy's very generous, I'd say.
Yeah, and there was a suite that went viral
saying that his reviews were unethical.
Yeah, I saw that.
Yeah, yeah, his reviews are unethical
and then you go on his profile and it's like,
oh, I feel like you always get the sense
that anyone criticizing and calling and trying to call this unethical
or some like mask this with some other broader issue,
You're just like, what do you got money in?
What do you invest in?
And they always have a fucking blue check mark.
Yeah, yeah.
Right, he's got the blue.
Right, it's always like, oh, I'm an entrepreneur,
or I'm an investor or CEO of this really small fucking-
Insert Buzzword, yeah.
These crypto bros are like, I don't know why they all agreed
to collectively promote the worst shit imaginable.
Yeah.
And they all somehow congregate and are annoying.
It's gone from crypto to AI now.
They're all on the same.
Yeah, yeah. Everything's gonna be AI powered. Everything's gonna be like fucking, what is it?
What do they call the new web? What do they call it? Web 3? Web Factor. Web fucking
shut up! Shut up! No one cares! This shit sucks! I'm sure it'll be usable down the line,
but like, you know, I think like right now it's like just shut up, shut up, shut up.
I mean, this shit right now, it's basically just like astrology just for like bros.
That's basically what is happening right now.
Just like lonely dudes who just get welcomed into a community
of people who are like, yeah, we're friends.
You just got to promote this thing.
And it's like a cult.
We all just agree to promote each other.
And too, and it's great.
And Dogecoin, guys, right?
It's great.
I saw another tweet of this that was like somebody
who took Marcus's very first video.
Oh, yes, yes, I did see this one.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And they tweeted out being like,
would you pay for this if this was the first iteration?
Sometimes it just takes a couple of tries to get it perfect.
Someone was like, well, you see, you see there,
that's a free YouTube video of a creator who...
You don't pay for it.
And that was like 15 years ago
and wasn't funded by venture capital
and wasn't asking people for money.
And you're dumb.
But even then, that felt like,
that take felt so brain dead
that only, the only logical explanation of why,
you would make that tweet is if you wanted to inform,
you wanted the farm crime engagements.
Yeah, there's no way, like there's no way.
But I feel like this, like the internet now
has become unusable because you're like,
I don't even know what, like,
finding anything genuine is impossible.
It's so hard.
Yeah, I think especially engagement bait on Twitter
is obviously rampant.
I mean, we're not even immune to it.
I swear to God every time we discuss anime
in some way, shape or form.
There's always one clip that just blows up
on Twitter or something along those lines.
Yeah, yeah.
Because we're just so full of hot takes, aren't we?
And so.
But they always cut it in like the most,
the most, the most, what's the word?
Interpretate, they interpret it in the,
it's very, very specific way a lot of the time
to farm engagement as well.
It's like, I'll leave out all the context
or anything else important.
Well, I also think some of these takes
are like the most lukewarm takes
compared to some of the anime takes.
I got flack for saying yore was boring.
Yeah, I was like, is, is that a hot take?
I mean, man, man doesn't like, man doesn't like spy family.
I'm like, okay, like I, I, I like, I like, I like, I like,
to me it's like comfort.
To me, what the fuck is that?
Boy, that's from two years ago.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I hope they changed it, like, okay, okay, like the attack and tide an episode, I understand that.
No, that's funny, that's fine.
Yeah, I understand that that is a hot time.
I actually like, you know, I don't mind Twitter, people are dis,
like, here's the thing.
I like that, I like that people post trash taste clips to Twitter and discuss it.
Yeah, because at the end of the day,
I'd rather be talked about than not talked about it.
Sure.
That is our job.
Yeah.
If, if no one cares about the dog shit anime takes we say,
then I think we're doing something wrong.
Yeah.
I can't wait to say, I can't wait for someone to call us unethical.
Yeah.
Oh, my.
Yeah, dude.
They're using their platform irresponsibly.
Joey, Joey reviewing sword arts online.
He's going to get suits.
This is unethical.
Would you pay for this?
How dare you ruin a small animation studio?
Oh my God.
The thing that's most frustrating about that one
was that like, even the author was like,
I don't know what the fuck to do with you.
Until literally season two, he's like,
I guess I'll write something.
That's the thing I hate where people like,
Yeah, but she got character development,
like season two or three, and it's like, okay.
Yeah, so he realized, like, four years into writing the show,
maybe he should write the other character?
Yeah.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Yeah.
I think the issue is, though, it's like,
with a clip like that, so the context is Connor has not seen season two.
No, I haven't, though, yeah.
His comments were purely based on season one.
Season one.
Watched entire season of a show.
Yeah, yeah.
It's never enough.
From someone in my perspective,
who's seen, like, both seasons,
even though Yor has like, you know, an entire arc
popping off as an assassin, you know,
I could understand Connor's take.
And everyone was, everyone was like,
well, Garn's not vehemently, like, disagreeing with Connor.
Yeah, that's just weird.
So he must agree with him.
And I'm like, no, sometimes what is lost on the internet
is just giving people the benefit of the doubt.
Yeah, God forbid there's no such thing called
mutual understanding.
Yeah, and I agree to disagree.
Yeah.
The core premise of Trish tastes
is that we all have different opinions
and that maybe you say something,
And sometimes, you know, maybe I disagree with it.
But also sometimes I feel that I don't have to always tell you
that I disagree or that I'm against what you said.
And even if you had called, if you were like,
yours was the best character ever,
and I said, you're always not.
It's like, all right, whatever.
We don't have to then leave the show agreeing on either or.
Be like, guys, this is the council's opinion.
The point of the show is to be able to have a differing opinion
and we can still be friends and be in the same room.
But the internet has turned into a thing of like,
you all must agree or be in the same camp as me
or not.
Either with me or not.
Or otherwise you are the worst.
Yeah, I think, you know, it's not very helpful.
No, I think the things, so like, you know,
we, I try not to, you know, DimeSroll or whatever,
but I'm used to being clowned on for my opinions.
I don't give a shit about that.
We all get cloned on.
If you wanna say I have a shitty opinion,
I'm just like, whatever.
Join the club.
Yeah, what, like, what bothers me sometimes
is when they try to turn it into like something more.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, so like, you know, for the your take, for example,
I remember seeing like this, this,
this, every two or something being like,
oh, they're just shitting on it
because it's suddenly popular to shit to shit on spy family.
And so they suddenly just changed their opinion.
What is it popular to shit on spy family?
And I'm like, number one, is it suddenly popular
to shit on spy family?
What? No.
Number two.
Also that whole thing of like,
oh, you must hate it because it's popular
is the most baby fucking take I've ever heard in my life.
Like, no,
Maybe just consider the fact that popular or not,
I just don't really like it and that's the end of it.
Like Joe, I do think there is some hateer energy
that you could bring into you.
You know, if you're gonna shit on Arcane,
you should watch it.
You should follow the footsteps of the anime.
That's why like when I watched all of Spy Family,
even though I was brought halfway through
because I wanted to accurately hate it.
Have you guys ever watched the show just to hate on it?
Yeah, would you mean half the shit on this podcast
I've watched just a hate on it.
What are you like, why do you think I watched
eight episodes of 86?
I already knew I wasn't gonna like it,
two episodes in, but I knew people would get pissed off.
People would get pushed off anyway,
but I actually don't mind.
Like I know that like, I guess I don't care
when people clown on my takes or disagree.
Yeah.
As long as it just doesn't get like personal.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
People get like really worked up
and they're like, you're a terrible human being.
It's like, I didn't like, I didn't like the end.
Just because I didn't like your show.
Like, bro, could we chill out a little bit here?
Like, I'm trying to remember the last
last time I actually watched something
just to prove people wrong.
Because I literally played Final Fantasy
just to like- Out of spite.
Yeah, so I can accurately
But you didn't I'm doing it.
No, I mean, I knew I liked it,
but I only played it because of like Spite Night
and I wanted to accurately give opinions
and I'm sure there'll be like games
that I despise.
Like I'm playing Final Fantasy 14
and I'm sure I'll not like that.
I just just does not seem like it.
And let me tell you this.
It is a nightmare
to set up that game.
I don't have you ever.
Yeah, the, uh, the, the Mogg station.
Oh, Mug station.
Mug station, that is it.
Don't even get me started.
Go try. I, I, sometimes, I knew it was gonna be bad
when it was a Japanese company, but I didn't know how bad.
Yeah, the website is, the Mock Station is stuck in like 20,
2000.
I installed the game and it opened up like a Windows Vista window
to install it.
I was like, what is this?
And the fact you need a two-factor authentication,
which like, I remember setting up,
I remember setting up the two-factor,
and you have to be set up through, like,
the Mogstation, whatever thing.
And I could not, like,
trying to re-log into my account,
I could not fucking find how to get
this two-factor authentication.
Because, I made three Squarinix accounts.
Yeah.
Because the first one,
I, you know, okay, another thing, right?
So, okay, let's, I'll give you the full timeline.
So this is my, I spent three hours last night
trying to get my Mog station working.
Yeah.
Which is crazy.
Yeah.
In like 2000.
I'm literally playing it tomorrow,
so we'll see how this goes.
But I'm very, I'm excited to sell,
but this was funny because I was like,
this is almost comical at how bad this is to install
as a game.
Like I, so first of all, it's on Steam.
And I asked people, I was like, should I do the Steam?
Like, no, no, no, no, no, don't do the Steam one.
No, no, no.
And then, yeah, everyone said that.
I was like, okay, I won't do the Steam one.
That makes sense because, you know, Japanese,
like UI and stuff like that.
It's not like Fortnite level where it's like,
you could fucking log on on a toast or something,
and it'll perfectly sync up to your thing at home
on a different account, whatever, you know,
like that.
It's, I know it's not that level.
So I went to the Squarionix count,
and this is where I started getting tough,
because my first issue, and this is a very me-specific issue,
is obviously I want to play in English.
Yeah. But I live in Japan.
Yeah. So there's already like Squyrienex website
was desperately trying to make me go on the Japan one.
And I was trying to not do that because I didn't,
I wasn't sure how it would work if I would be locked into Japanese.
Did you have the problem of making multiple accounts
for different regions?
So I went to make the first account
and I made it in America.
Yes, okay.
Because I didn't know, I didn't realize
what was gonna happen.
Yes, nor did I.
This is like your repeating.
Because I thought, no big deal.
I'll just say I'm in America
because I intend to play on the American service.
Yeah. So I was like, no big deal.
Yeah.
And I, you know, went through it
and then they asked for my address.
It was a big deal.
I was like, oh yeah, I was like,
he will find out it was a big deal.
It was a big deal.
It was the first account
randomly just got locked.
Yeah.
I don't know what it was.
just randomly locked it.
And I was like, well, luckily for me,
I have like 19 emails, so it's fine.
I can play this game all day.
Yep.
But by my C-D-OVA username that I had,
very nice, that was gone now,
because now it's locked behind something.
So I made another account
and then made it on the America one,
got through it, and then I got to the payment details
and I kept getting this error
when I kept trying to buy it.
Even though I know it's a free trial,
I try to get the starter pack.
I was like, I don't, I just,
I just wanna pay for something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're gonna have to pay for it
eventually.
Yeah, so I was like, I'll just pay for it.
So I try to set up this account
And every time I went to go pay,
it kept giving me this error.
And I was like, what the fuck is error?
And I googled the error and it was like,
oh, because I wasn't in America,
trying to make an, like, a payment for an American thing.
It was like, no.
You need to be in the same region
to make the payment.
So I was like, okay, all right,
start from Kresh, made a new account.
So I signed up in Japanese
and I used all the Google Translate
to, you know, go through it.
And I got through it all.
And then it was fine until I got to,
it wanted me to fill in my information.
Now, anyone who's lived in Japan,
you'll know this horrible moment that you get to.
I don't have a kanji name.
And you know.
What do you mean? You have Tanaka.
Well, okay, oh my God.
So in Japan, Japanese websites,
they will ask for two names.
Your like kanji name and then you're like Fuggana,
like how to spell it in like Hirogana or Catacana.
And it just, it would not accept my name in Katakana.
Is it be?
because you didn't use.
You thought it might be the hearth width, full width.
This is another bullshit thing
that Japanese websites have where they have
a full width character and a hearth width.
Basically, big characters or small characters.
And sometimes some websites only require you
to use a specific one that you have no way of doing
unless you like find the thing on your keyboard
or go to a website and convert it.
It's bullshit.
I tried every single combination.
I tried my name in Hira Gana,
full width, half width didn't work.
Do my name in Catacana full with heart width?
Didn't work.
I was like, what the fuck?
But for some reason, Connor, my actual,
like just Connor was fine,
but my second name, Kofodun, it was like,
that's not a name.
So I put Connor, Connor, and it was like, oh, great.
I was like, what the fuck?
They're just saying my name is not a name.
This is bullshit.
Bro, in for the Mario name, man.
I was like, this is fucked.
So I was like, fine.
So I finally got my account set up
after I put my name and now my name's Connor,
Connor.
Yeah.
So then I go to go pay
and I go to put my payment.
details in and it keeps giving me errors.
And I'm pretty sure it's because my name is Connor Connor
and on my card it's not Connor Conor Conner.
But I can't put my name on the card
because the website wouldn't take it.
Final Fantasy, what the fuck is this shit?
Wait, in the in the Fidigana section, right?
It wouldn't take anything, anything.
Nothing.
None of the, either of the things
would take anything of my second name.
I've had this issue with multiple websites before.
So I was like, all right, my name's Connor Connor
and Catacana on both of them.
I'm like, fine, here we go.
And so I'm like, all right, I'm gonna pay.
And so it wouldn't let me fucking pay.
And I tried every card I have.
I have like three Japanese cards.
None of them worked.
I tried my Amex didn't work.
I tried my British cards didn't work.
Just wouldn't let me pay.
They were like, none of these cards say corner, corner.
Let me fill in my billing address.
There was no billing address.
So I couldn't change it and fix it all.
I was like, this is fucked.
So I was like, all right, fine.
On the Final Fantasy 14 website,
there is a drop-down menu of three places where you can buy.
I shouldn't just give it up at this point.
Fuck this game, guys.
I played three hours of this game last night.
There are three places where you can buy Final Fantasy subscriptions.
Even though I know you get a free trial, yadda, yada, yada.
It's just comical.
You can buy it from Mogstation.
You can buy it from the Squaringix store,
which is different from Mogstation.
Yeah.
So Squaringx is two stores.
And you can buy it from Amazon.
I was like, all right, here we go.
Right.
Finally, finally.
Amazon.
a store I know will deliver.
Trustworthy.
Because when I was putting in my payment information,
I could click card and buy it or click a code.
I was like, you know what?
I just get a code.
This just seems easy.
I'll get a code.
So I go to Amazon to buy it.
And I go to Amazon.jop.jp.
with their link from their website.
And then it goes, ah, nah, sorry,
this only ships for America.
A digital code.
And I'll shoot you not.
I think if you go there right now,
I mean, have a look.
What?
If you go to like, type in Final Fantasy
Where are they storing these codes?
It's a literal digital code.
Yeah. What?
So 14, so go to like the actual website,
the Japanese one, like the free trial,
like, yeah, that one.
Yeah, and then go to like, uh,
okay, expansion, maybe.
Yeah, just go to the standard one.
Yeah, click that.
This shit is fucked, man.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it knows.
Amazon, open, open, look at the shit.
Look at this.
Look at this. All good, all good, right?
Yeah.
Okay, put it.
Put it in your car.
Looks all looks great, looks good.
I gotta buy it.
If this works, what the fuck?
What the fuck?
Do you want it?
No, I had it.
Dude, I'm going there right now.
I went there yesterday, right?
And it was like, we can't ship this
because it's from America.
And I was like, what do you mean?
What do you mean?
Dude, this is the error I kept getting.
Why do I get this?
This show you can't
this.
This region is now support
Yeah, it's not supported in your region.
And then it said fulfilled by Amazon.com.
And I was like, okay, fine.
Amazon.
Amazon.com sales incorporated, which is the American one.
Nope, it works here.
Wait, maybe if you did, I don't know.
Digital items will be available in your orders.
What the heck?
Yeah, it works.
Dude, on my Amazon page, it's like, nah, sorry,
we can't fulfill it. It's from America.
I was-
I was clicking the download version.
I was clicking the download version.
The exact same thing.
I just clicked there.
And it works perfectly fine.
What the fuck?
So then I was like, okay, I can't get it from there.
I can't get it from Mogstation.
And then I go to the Final Fantasy,
the Squarionix store, which is different
from the Mogstation store, and finally, I get the code
and I buy it.
I don't know why Squyriynyx is cool with it.
And Mogstation isn't the same company.
Yeah, yeah.
But I finally get the code and I install it.
And then it just doesn't recognize that I have that version.
It keeps saying like, oh, start your free trial now.
So I had to reinstall the entire game
and then finally recognize I had it
after like two and a half hours.
Yeah.
What the heck?
I'm so pissed off yours works.
What the heck?
So I had, I spent like-
To be fair, I had the same amount of like headaches
just to play this game.
It took me an evening just to figure out how to play.
It's like they don't want you to play the game.
I know.
The fact that it's this, the fact that it's this successful
and it, this is like the barrier of entry
just to fucking play the game.
And like people were tweeting at me saying
that apparently like one of the creators
of Final Fantasy like had a high
hard time making his account.
Like he can get away.
Like,
like,
shrub.
Yeah, like it's, yeah.
Dude, I feel like I am,
I'm very good, like, technically at figuring out
if someone doesn't want to let me pay it
for whatever region.
Because I, you know, I've,
living in Japan, speaking English,
and moving across countries all the time,
doing stuff.
I get very good at, like,
knowing how to work websites
into making it work for whatever thing,
but this one was like.
This is the final boss,
because it was, it was that on top of the layers of,
hey, you have this products that you can
buy from these different stores in each in different regions.
And also there's different expansion packs
that you can buy for your account
that counts differently towards your in-game progress.
I tweeted out being like, fuck this launcher.
And a bunch of people like,
bunch of people tweeted me being like,
yeah, I accidentally bought three copies
because I assigned them to wrong accounts or something.
I think I did buy three copies,
or at least two copies, because I remember buying it
on Steam first.
Insane, bro.
I remember buying it on Steam first, which was-
Can you hold onto one for me?
Yeah.
No, no, no, because it's-
Oh, I don't have to go through this.
It's locked to my European accounts,
because my steam was made in England
so it was locked to the EU accounts.
If you pick a server, you can't change.
Yeah, you can't change.
Oh, that's fucked.
Yeah.
So, so, so, so I believe if you want to,
if you lock it to a server, you have to make an entirely new account.
Yeah, you do, yeah.
And go through this bullshit again.
I, I honestly, I'd rather.
And then on top of that corner, on top of that,
game doesn't even get good until like 100 hours away.
Yeah, I know.
Tell me, well, you know, in like a month, month time,
I'll come back and give my thoughts.
Also, apparently you can't afford to, like, skip any costumes
because the main reason people play this is for the story.
I know, I heard.
This, this.
To be fair, ARR, beginning is pleased.
No, no, I don't see.
You've been saying this for years to me, Nabi,
and I'm not doing it.
This looks good.
I'm not doing it.
See, see, I'm, Nabi, Nabi,
I am the type of person that if I know,
I'm the type of person, if I know there is a payoff,
I will grind through as men
as many fucking hours as I need to.
I mean, that's why I'm playing through the trail series,
for God's sakes.
Yeah.
I have played through about 20 hours
of Fun Fantasy Online, I believe.
I'm like, this is hard, man.
This is hard.
When does it, oh.
Oh. Oh.
You know what I played yesterday too?
Hey, these two.
Oh, yeah.
So fun.
Is it good?
I really wanna get it.
Yeah.
You gotta play on Steam Deck.
So good.
Is it good on Steam Deck?
Oh, bro.
It's like made for Steam Deck.
Okay, okay.
Well, it's actually made for Steam, but as in like,
it's very good to play on Steam.
Dude, it's so good.
Yeah, I really want to play it.
10 out of 10 on Steam.
10 out of 10.
Everything about the game is just,
it's just like sex.
Yeah.
It's just sex.
Like the controls are sex.
Gameplay sex.
Is the story line sex?
The voice acting, definitely sex.
Everything's so good, man.
Everything's so good.
They knocked it out of the park.
I can't wait to see it finished.
But, I mean, it's the one thing.
I'm not, I wasn't too pumped about it is that it's silly access,
but I guess they should wanna get it out.
Can I ask a question?
You may.
Which might be a stupid question.
You may ask.
You know sometimes when you use a term
and you don't really know what the meaning of it,
but you use it anyway.
What does roguelike mean?
You don't know what a rogue like is?
I think I know what a rogue like is.
Okay, you tell me what you think it is,
and I'll tell you if you're right.
It's okay, firstly, I don't know what a rogue is,
so I don't know what, I've always, I don't,
okay, one thing that's always confused me.
is I think I know what a rogue like is
from playing enough games where you kind of like
repeats a level with different starting conditions
and you progress through further as a girl along.
So how does that make it a rogue like?
What is a rogue first?
And why does rogue likes make it like a rogue?
What does this mean?
I've never heard of the game being described as rogue.
Yeah, yeah, that's the thing!
Only rogue like, but there's also rogue light as well.
Okay.
So I think Aides actually falls,
if I'm not mistaken, and I hope I'm not,
so basically a true rogue life,
is you don't gain any abilities like after each run
to make your runs easier.
It's purely just a self-contained run
and every single time you start from zero.
Whereas a rogue light is one where you,
by grinding and doing multiple runs,
you unlock stuff like a 5% stat bonus increase
to make your runs easier.
Or like an upgraded weapon or something.
Each subsequent time.
So Hades would be a rogue light.
If I'm not mistaken, maybe we can Google this.
Can we Google?
What is a rogue?
What, rogue?
Rogue, the only time I've heard the word rogue
is in like JRP's where it's like a class.
Yeah, that's that.
So I've been rogue like versus rogue light.
I've never heard of rogue light.
Yeah, rogue light, if I'm not mistaken,
is what most people accidentally refer to
as actual rogue like.
Right.
I'm gonna go, what, what is.
But these are like the most popular games made.
Is it a rogue someone who is like,
what is, yeah, someone who is like
actually paid to do a job or something?
Or like goes out.
Isn't that what a rogue is?
What is a rogue?
What is a rogue?
Org is someone who works on their own,
lives by their own.
The genre of rogue games derives this name
from a classic dungeon crawler called Rogue.
Oh.
That helped popular some interesting, unusual ideas.
Bro, I've never heard of this game before.
I mean either.
Oh, it's very, I think is it a Microsoft game?
Oh yeah, look at it's from the 80s.
Yeah, it looks like a-.
Also, rogue isn't even a genre.
It's just a game.
It's from the game.
Yeah.
Okay, so defined rogue likes
have eight specific design
Tenets, random map generation, permadeth, turn-based combat, grid-based movement, complexity
allowed multiple solutions, non-modal so that all actions can be performed at any time, resource
management and hack and slash combat. Well, that's just like some of them, I guess. I mean, that's
some of them, yeah. Yeah, the Hades is a rogue light. Okay. Because it gets easier than more
you go through it. You go through it. Okay. Yeah. So it's just regression. All right.
The only rogue like then. That means- Because you don't lose absolutely everything
on death. Yeah. But the rogue lights, the rogue light is normally
preferred because, you know, you get to have progression
in the game that normally doesn't allow it to have progression. Yeah. So that means I've
played mostly rogue lights and not actual rogue lights are generally more popular.
Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like you get bought of doing the same thing over and ever again.
I'd say the only rogue like I've actually played is probably Furae no Shiren, which is like
a really longstanding Japanese rogue, actual rogue like where it's like if you die, you go
back to like level one, you lose everything, all that.
It's fucking difficult, but really fun.
But like- But I think that like if you unlock stuff,
but it's not like permanently boosts you,
I think that's rogue-like still,
because you're getting it within the run.
I don't really know exactly,
but I know that roguide is basically rogue,
but a little easier.
Because you get stat boosts, yeah.
But Hades is like gameplays all revolved around that.
That's how you get the story.
Every time you die, there's more character interactions
through the story of you dying.
It's the whole point.
God, Hades one's so fucking good.
And if you get too far on like your first runs,
they'll make it harder for you so that you die.
Okay.
It's pretty annoying, but it's nice being told,
you're too good.
Stop, stop that. Stop that.
Stop right now.
Is it procedurally generated?
Yeah, I mean.
Most part, yeah.
Actually, you know, I think.
Well, because the splits, right?
The maps are set out or like this is like a different,
a bunch of different maps, I think.
I wonder if some of the things.
is actually. It definitely felt like a lot of the maps were pre-done and then you just get thrown
into one of them and then you split into a path based on which upgrade you want. But the splits are all
random. I hate procedurally, I hate procedurally generated. In terms of like, you don't like
that you can never do the same thing again or that you... To me, I hear procedurally generated
and I hear, oh, so fun is random then. Fun is just randomized then, I guess. I don't know.
Like, I like knowing that everyone's sharing the same experience,
or I'm sharing the same experience
like everyone else playing the game.
Like a big reason why I ended up playing Sub-Nautica
was I saw the gameplay, I thought,
oh, this seems like a procedurally generated game, whatever,
it's a survival game.
But when I heard that note, everyone gets the same map,
I'm like, okay, so I, you know, I get to,
I, this is,
structured exactly the same way as how everyone else
is going to play it.
And that to me is-
Why does that matter?
Huh?
Surely you'd, like, there's some games there
where it makes way more sense
to have it procedurally generated.
Like what?
Like, uh, lethal company.
Like having everything different every single time
completely random is the point.
Like you, you wanna experience,
like you can't, you shouldn't be able to go in
and figure out where everything is.
Yeah.
You should be a mess.
Also, you get like a unique experience every time,
which is like exclusive to you,
which is like a whole,
new other experience.
And the way a lot of games can go around this
is like games like Ballotro, which is totally random.
They have seeds.
So when every randomly generated thing is a seed.
So there's like a, that'll be like a million seeds.
And then you can basically be like,
oh, if you wanted to play the same seed as me,
where you could type in the code.
Yeah, like Minecraft's saying games like that have that as well.
Yeah, Minecraft does that too.
Yeah.
So it's, it is random, but if you wanted to experience
the same everything, you easily kid.
I don't know, it's like, you know,
even when you're,
I think yes, it does work for lethal company.
And Minecraft it works for too.
Minecraft wouldn't work if it was a set-man.
To me, it almost like, to me it always feels like
here's an artificial way to give you, make more content
for this game and make you play for more hours
without actually making more content.
Does that make sense?
I understand where you're coming from.
Yeah, yeah.
The intention isn't there.
Yeah.
There's no thought behind every aspect.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I think for certain games,
it makes way more sense to have something
that is totally random and benefits from it.
But I can understand wanting the experience
of a purposeful game.
Yeah, I think I just like having a purposeful experience
that the developer intentionally made
instead of just being like, eh.
What if they intended for the random though?
I wouldn't say it's eh,
because it takes a lot of work, I imagine,
to get that the procedural generated right,
like the kind of layouts you wanted right.
So I imagine, even though it's,
I don't think it's just, like computer do work.
I think there's still a ton of work
that goes into doing it.
Maybe I haven't, I haven't played a game.
Maybe I just haven't played a game
where I'm like, yeah, this is it.
Procedurally generated, all right.
You just haven't played a good rogue like yet.
Maybe that's it, maybe that's it.
There's some really good ones.
I mean, there's like Slay the Spire,
there's Darkest Dungeon, isn't another amazing one?
You gotta play Dark's Dungeon.
It's so fucking good.
You're not saying words now.
Describe them to me.
Okay, okay.
Describe Darkest Dungeon.
Darkest Dungeon is, I mean, it's like the OG in terms of like,
I mean, can you pick up a screenshot?
I can help describe it.
You basically, you hire a bunch of mercenaries and imagine XCOM if it was a dungeon crawler.
So you played XCOM, right?
You know of XCOM.
I know of XCOM.
Okay.
Yeah.
So you'll go into a dungeon, hire your mercenaries.
Maybe someone will be a rogue.
And someone will be like a berserker and someone will be a, I don't know, a cleric.
And you go.
go into this dungeon and walk through it.
And every now and then, these enemies will pop up.
But the problem is that you've got to make decisions.
You don't have a lot of healing.
And any damage they do take,
you have to pay or spend a lot of money outside of combat to fix.
So taking damage is a real big no-no.
And in the game, you basically have to get loot
and then progress and level up your dudes.
But if they die, they permanently die.
You have to hire a new member.
But you're going through procedurally generated dungeons
and fighting enemies.
But your characters also have stress.
And if their stress gets too high,
they have a heart attack.
So how do you beat the game?
There is the darkest dungeon at the end.
But your characters have to be max level
to go to the darkest dungeon.
Okay, so to get to the final level.
So to get to the final level,
you have to do something different every time?
Every single dungeon you'll go through
is procedurally generated and different.
Okay.
But, you know, as you can see,
it's mainly like a grid level.
They'll be like a, imagine if you opened a map.
Yeah.
You literally click, go this room and then you walk,
and as you're walking, there might be a fight that happens.
Yeah.
Or you might step in a side.
See, I hate that.
I would prefer, like, why?
Why? That's so good.
It's fun.
Because I would prefer like, you know, on like,
you describe that to me and I'm like, I would want something like
Dark Souls where it's like, okay, there is an end game.
You do fight through, but everything there has been purposefully
placed by the developer itself, you know?
If you beat Dark Souls, you know what it,
everyone knows what it means to be Dark Souls.
Yeah, because everyone, I think that works when you have,
like, a one player and you're like, you are,
it's a story driven and you're, this one character
and this giant world and your goals are very set
and the story beats are there.
This one doesn't, I mean, it has a story,
but it's not really, it tells it through, like,
journal notes and stuff, but the idea is that you're,
you kind of almost churn through these mercenaries,
and you're constantly like having to be like,
sorry, my favorite guy, you died.
And once they're dead, they're totally dead.
Actually, I think you can get them back,
but it's very difficult and it takes a lot of effort.
But it's really, really fun because you kind of like,
it's literally all about like cutting losses the entire game.
It's very stressful.
I like road likes and road lights because they, like,
constantly keep you on your toes as well,
because you're just like, all right,
I've never been in this situation before,
even though I might have played the game for like five, ten hours at this point
where I'm like, oh, okay, I don't know what to do here.
one wrong move.
And so you're like, you're constantly learning
how to get better at the game by failing.
And that's, that in and of itself,
I feel feels like progression.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, it's like, okay,
I feel like by going through this one scenario,
now the next time I come across a similar scenario,
I know somewhat more than before what to do.
So it feels like I'm getting closer to the end.
And then when you finally do get over that,
you're like, all right, sick.
I'm further than I've ever been before,
but now you're scared because it's like,
okay, at this point,
I don't know what's coming on.
So I might run into another situation
where I get fucked up.
So yeah, I don't know.
I like that kind of, uh,
I get your thing as well with just like a pre, you know,
planned everything, but rogue likes and roguelites,
they give like a different kind of like excitement.
It's so good.
It's so good.
Because your characters get stress.
And if they get to 200 stress,
they have a heart attack
where they have a 50% chance of surviving it.
But they get down to like one health.
But at 100, I think at 100 stress,
It sounds like fear and hunger with some shit like that.
Dude, it's so good because this is something,
the one that narrate is amazing,
but they have this, this is really fucking awesome mechanic
that if you love gambling, it's the hype as shit ever.
Because your character, your character will get to 100 stress
and there'll be like a 20% chance
that he'll, like, prevail through the stress.
Right. And he'll get a team-wide buff.
But normally what happens is that you kind of like fail it
and then your team gets more stressed.
And the more stress your team gets,
the more debuffs they get.
So it's all about like managing stress and health.
It's so good.
It's really, really good.
It is kind of like fear and hunger actually,
but really well polished, an amazing game
and I really recommend playing it.
Also, backpack heroes really easy.
You play it on Steam deck.
It's really cool.
It's like you basically have a backpack
and you're going through this dungeon
and again, procedurally generated a dungeon.
But your weapons are what you can fit in the backpack.
And you'll have like a three by three grid
and your sword will be like three long, one wide.
And maybe you'll get like a shield,
but it's two by two.
And maybe you get loot.
So you got to start fitting it in the bag.
And then as you progress, your bag,
it's like, you can, like, add three squares.
So you could add, like, a really long three square.
It's really cool.
Type in backpack here.
It's really fun kind of like 30-minute game
if you want to pick it up and go,
like a rogue light, actually.
Superfire.
Rogue light or rogue light.
Show a picture of the bag.
That's that one there.
No, no.
No, no, no.
Belize.
Yeah, that one.
So your bag will have like this.
they all do like buffs and work off each other.
So you have to like chuck them in.
It's really fun.
Okay.
I highly recommend it if you want a little easy
kind of fun one.
30 minute game?
You can do like yeah, 20 minute runs.
All right, all right.
Pick it up, Steam deck, super easy, very fun.
And you can see the reviews are great.
Yeah, like that, it looks like that and then
enemies take turns.
That's cute.
So you start off with like that and then it gets like,
yeah, it gets like crazy and you,
and they'll be like, oh, if it's at the top of the bag,
it'll do 10 plus damage.
So then you're like, I want to put it to the top,
then I gotta move.
shit around. It's like Tetris
dungeon crawler with loot and then yeah
it gets really crazy later on. You can start doing
insane combos and stuff. It's really fun.
I highly recommend it if you want a really easy one.
Darkest Dungeon is like this if you
were stressing out all the time.
Because Darkest Dungeon also has like
it has like a mechanic where like
you know you'll
click to attack an enemy. It'll be like
has a 30% chance of hitting. You're like
please and you're like I can't miss this. I can't miss this
shot. You miss it. You're like
Is Colt of the Lamb also like a roguelight?
Yeah, Colt of Lame's a road like,
that's also a really good game as well.
I really enjoy that.
That one was like made for like streamers specifically.
It's all about like getting your audience to join in.
Yeah.
Even playing that casually is really fun.
What are the roguikes do I like?
What's some of my favorite roguelikes?
They've really been kind of popping off recently, haven't they?
That's because the meme or the indie game.
Yeah, the meme is indie devs when they're trying not to make it a rogue light.
And it's like the vein busting in the head.
Slate the Spire is very good.
Dead Sal's very popular, I haven't played that one.
Risk of Rain 2, I was very addicted to for a while.
It's pretty good.
What else is there?
Rogue legacy.
What else is there?
Vampire Survivors.
Vampire survivors, goaded.
Yeah, I mean, that's very good.
I guess, yeah, vampires would be a rogue-like, huh?
Rogue light.
Is there a AAA rogue-like game?
Was it all indie games?
No, I didn't think so.
Was it all indie games?
Well, I think because it's like,
I imagine it's risky to make a game that has just a gameplay loop and not like...
I mean, it's risky to make a game, period.
Yeah, well, exactly.
It takes a lot of time.
If you have to go to your higher up and you're like, all right,
we're going to make them play the same game over and over again.
They're like, what?
No, we need set pieces.
We need this.
Oh, inscription.
Oh, it's one of the best games of all time.
You've got to play inscription.
It's so fucking good.
Card game?
Ooh.
I think I've heard about this one, actually.
Don't look anything up about it.
It's the best fucking game ever.
Okay.
It's so good.
Yeah, there's a lot I want to play.
Slater Spires are a really good one.
I haven't played it there,
but everyone says they like that.
That one's a card-based dungeon crawler.
Shadow Corridor 2 as well is one that I've seen a few people playing.
Yeah.
There's so many good ones.
I mean,
I think the genre is just perfect for indie games
because you can kind of make a core mechanic
and just kind of like really nail it down
and kind of just go through
like the same kind of gameplay world
over and over again, but when you have a really fun mechanic,
you're like, I don't give a fuck,
I'll do the same thing over and over again.
Oh yeah.
This reminds me of the genre I recently got into,
not a game, but I recently made a video about this
about how like, oh, I've given up on Isakai.
Spoiler, I haven't given up on this.
I was like, what happened?
Yeah, yeah, I haven't completely given up,
but I've been getting into webtoons
and webcomics recently.
And I don't really know why.
Because a lot of them are definitely not as good as manga is.
It's, it's, have you guys ever read any webcomics at all, any webtoons?
I've read a, like, solo leveling, tower of God, anything?
Yeah, I've read a bunch of like, monwas and like, yeah, a couple of like Japanese webcomics and stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, so I didn't, I didn't realize this, but basically, you know, so Japan has, you know, so Japan
has manga, Korea has Manwa, and China has Manhua, right? And they all have like their
equivalent of, let's say, the Isikai genre, which is, no matter what country, no matter, you know,
there will always be, I'm a gamer. Yeah, there will always be a way to throw some shitty power
fantasy, like, kind of like bullshit. And they, and every different country has its own genre. So
So in Korea, a genre, Korean webcomics,
the genre that is massive is this genre called regression,
which is basically a rogue-a-like.
So the entire genre is all about some guy.
Multiple-a-kos.
Huh?
Multiple-policus.
Some guy does something.
One reincarnation is in a house.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, no, so one guy does something.
He dies or something happens.
And then he travels back in time.
He travels back in time to an earlier point in his life.
with all of the knowledge that he has of the future.
And it's basically re-zero.
You know, it's basically re-zero,
but just imagine an entire genre
based around this,
but just it not being as good as re-zero.
The 25 best regression, man?
Holy shit.
There is way more than 25.
There's a top 25?
There is way more than 25.
I can say, I don't think there are 25 good ones.
They're like, how many good ones are there?
So it depends, right?
Out of this list here, do you know of any of them?
My daughter's the final boss, that's good, how to be, how to use a return.
Okay, the problem with all of these titles is that 90, like Ithikei, look at these and tell me how many of them sound like the same shit.
I mean, I sleep on all of them, to be honest.
Leveling with the gods, returning of the mad demon.
Triple F class trash hero.
I kind of wanna read that one.
Reborn, reborn rich.
A man's man?
A man's man is actually good.
Oh, I love number 14.
Returning with absolutely nothing.
A man's man is good.
She also saves the world is good.
Father, I don't want this marriage.
What are these titles?
Some of these, some of these,
the fantasy of a stepmother.
Okay, I need to read that one.
All right.
for that one.
Oh God, I need to read that one.
But yeah, it's something, I don't know,
I've found it harder to read manga recently
just because I've really liked reading physical volumes.
But for some reason, web comics, even though I think in general,
the level of quality is way worse than what you can find
in manga, I feel like the ease of access
makes it a lot better.
If I actually have a web-
Yeah, reading manga is kind of tough.
Was that sarcastic?
Yeah.
It's so difficult, guys.
No, no, I mean, I mean, it's about the feeling.
It's about the feeling.
Okay, okay.
It's about the feeling.
Sorry, no.
No, one medical return, that's pretty good as well.
These look like fanfix.
I'm not, I wouldn't be surprised
if a lot of them did start off as fan fiction.
No, actually, one that I do generally recommend, though,
is this one called omniscient reader's viewpoints,
which I think could have the potential to be,
like if it gets an anime adaptation,
it has the potential to be.
Navi.
It's not be, it's okay, Nabi.
It's okay, it's okay, it took me ages to like,
how do I, how do I pronounce?
Amniscient?
Omniscient, omniscient, omniscient, omniscient, omniscient,
there you go, Raiders viewpoint, there it is.
Yeah, problem is, this looks,
from the cover, all of these webcomics look generic as far.
Yeah, they all look...
Yeah, yeah.
They really do.
This one's basically free in webtoons,
so it's an easy, easy read.
Let's read the synopsis of this.
Doctor was an average office worker
whose sole interest was reading his favorite web novel,
three ways to survive the apocalypse.
They wrote a web novel inside a web novel, okay?
But when the novel suddenly becomes reality,
he is the only person who knows how the world will end.
Armed with this realization,
Doctor uses his understanding
understanding to change the course of the story
and the world as he knows it.
Bro, it's so good.
Yeah, that synopsis just, yeah.
That synopsis does not do justice then.
All right, let me, let me give you a better synopsis.
Let me be a gun, this guy, all right.
Chad?
Huh? Chad.
Uh, actual, actual Chad.
It looks like Chad.
Uh, he's the, he's the guy on the left.
Okay.
Um, but basically he is committed to
reading this shitty ass fucking web novel
that is like the fucking filthiest trash
that he gets to chapter 3000 I believe.
Dude, that's like you.
No wonder you like this show.
I'm like yo, he just like me for real.
What the hell, no one do you like the shit?
He just like me for real man.
But then he's the only one who reads up to the end
and as soon as he gets to the end points,
it turns out that everything that happens
in this web novel, which is kind of like a death game,
starts happening in reality.
And he's given one ability,
and that's the ability to,
that's having this web novel on his phone
and he can read it really fast.
So basically he has every,
he has all of knowledge of what-
God, you're not selling me on this.
He has all of knowledge.
He has all of knowledge of what is going to happen,
what is gonna happen in this death game,
in this, where-in-the-game.
So, well, if you say it's gonna be good,
I actually trust you, but the way you're describing
it makes you sound-
What I'm hearing is this is just Mirai-Niki,
but a web novel.
Miri Nikki, is that a death game?
Yes.
That is a death game.
It's Miraniki where they can read into the future.
I'd say, I'd say it's more like squid game, if anything,
where the thing that makes-
Come on, Joe, it's Korean.
It's Korean.
It's Korean, it's Korean.
It's a squid game.
Sorry.
It's a squid game, but the thing that makes-
Squid-like.
Squid-like.
Okay, yes, it is a squid-like story.
Okay, this is a squid-like story.
Okay, the thing that makes us stand out
is this is one of the most meta pieces of media
I've like ever read, ever read in my life.
So what happens is that he actually meets the protagonist
of the story that's, of this reading.
And like the protagonist of the story,
he's a fucking dick, but he's also overpowered a shit, right?
So using his knowledge of the characters,
he has to find a way to befriend all of the characters
from this story in order to survive this game
and kind of like take advantage of all of the characteristics
and all the powers they have.
And using that knowledge and using, you know,
being able to befriend all these characters,
he's able to take advantage of the systems
in the storyline in each of the death games
in a kind of like a local horizon kind of way.
I'm awake.
I think they should get you to write these fucking synopses
because like you did a so much better.
better job than whatever that was.
Yeah, this basically what makes this end out
is it's someone who's obviously read a lot
of trashy power fantasy stuff.
Right.
And he's like, how can I take all of these elements
and just kind of like make a meta thing
that not really satirizes it,
but just takes the parts you see the most
and tries to make an interesting story out of it.
Right, right.
And this is it.
I feel like this could be,
this pops off harder than something,
solo leveling nowadays and-
sounds kind of cool when you put it like that.
Yeah, and to me, I'm like,
have you seen the solo leveling anime at all?
Uh, no.
I've seen up to episode,
whatever the recap episode was, seven.
Oh, you've seen, yeah, you've seen up to episode seven.
Is it good?
Bro, I forgot how, um,
I forgot how boring the beginning of solo leveling.
Yeah, I was like, I've heard this,
I was like, I've heard this mama was really fucking good.
So I gave it a watch and I'm like,
when does this get good?
I think it starts to get good from memory, right,
from memory.
It starts to, I wouldn't even say,
good is like, oh no.
Good is a, hey, do you like sort art online,
but more of the same, you know?
It starts to get good, I think,
at the end of season one.
But considering that even like Mr. Beast
was watching solo leveling, I'm like,
I was surprised how many people were actually
watching this and thinking that it was good.
Yeah, I got full.
Oh, this is gonna go on Twitter, this is gonna go on Twitter.
I got full because like every single person I know of
who's like read the original Sol Levely Manwa
was just hyping on about like how fucking amazing this was
and they were like trying to sell it to me,
you were trying to sell it to me.
It was...
One Piece fans forget how boring the son of One Piece is.
Oh, right, but like...
But One Piece has a really good plot.
Solo leveling, the web,
comic, the reason it pops off so much was because just the art.
The art is insane.
The art is godlike and the, during some of the action scenes,
during some of the hype scenes, it fucking pops off.
And I totally agree with that.
And what it does well, it does really well.
Problem is, when you take that to animation,
we've had Jiu-Zikai since season two.
You know, we've had Demon Slayer.
We've set the bar that high for action scenes that pop off.
And the action scenes are so,
solar leveling, all right.
It's, they're right, they're not bad.
Yeah, you've seen it, you've seen them right.
They're right, they're not bad,
but they're definitely, they're definitely not at that level
of some of the top action anime that we've seen.
And if it can't reach that level, then it's like,
it's like-
Unfortunately people are not gonna care as much.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Unfortunately people are not going to care as much about it.
So point is, don't read solar leveling.
Go read on this and reader's viewpoint.
That's, I'm off the solo,
everything train, Omniscient Reader's viewpoint,
please make that a big thing.
Because I would love to see an anime about that.
I watched all of Fallout,
that was really good.
Is it worth the hype?
Yeah, it's so good.
Oh, really?
It's so good.
Another show I need to watch.
I know nothing about Philadelphia.
I've never watched Fallout.
I've never played a game of Fallout,
never, I don't know anything.
And the fucking show is amazing.
Okay.
So good.
You've got to watch it.
Yeah, I definitely want to.
And then inadvertently you're watching Arcane
because the main girl is,
so is Fallout based on,
any one of the games or is it more based on just the world?
I don't know.
Have you played a fallout game?
No.
Okay.
I've just, I mean, they set up the world and they set up a mystery and it's really, really good.
It's original, right?
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, I think it takes some stuff from the game.
I think some people were actually annoyed because apparently it, it did something that
goes against one of the, something that happened in the game or something like that.
I've only played three.
Either way, it's an amazing show.
Watch it.
It was so fucking good.
We are in a golden age of good video game adaptations now.
Yeah, watching this was like, shit, this could like.
Well, now hang on, let's wait for Borderlands to come out,
alright?
And then we'll be able to see if you say that again.
You had told me this like, obviously,
I don't know much about Fallout and even if it wasn't attached to a game,
it was so good that I would just think,
yeah, this is just a triple A TV show.
Like, whatever fuck that means,
I don't know what we said, like a triple A TV show.
Like it felt like a, like the quality is insane of the show.
It's so good.
and all the effects are awesome too.
Everything looks amazing.
Like they've really gone above and beyond.
And like, I'm very glad they didn't really show much
about the show beforehand
because they just kind of came out and people were like,
wait, this shit's amazing.
It's amazing.
It's so, so good.
What makes it good?
Dude, you know, I'm not eloquent like you, gone.
I can't explain it.
What did you like about it?
The world, the world made sense.
Like, everything made sense in the world.
I really like...
Let's play this game.
Okay.
show we've both seen recently.
What have we both seen?
Shogun, Shogun.
Do you watch all Shogun?
Do you finish it?
Episode nine.
What the fuck?
You're on like,
there's eight episodes, right?
No, there's 10 episodes.
Is it 10?
How many episodes are there in Shogun?
Richard's 10.
Yeah.
Is it really?
Have you finished Shogun,
have you finished Shogun?
I have, I have.
I have.
Yeah, 10 episodes.
Yeah.
It felt like eight.
Yeah, I mean, I watched all the episodes that were out,
which was nine episodes.
I mean, it's done, it's over.
So I kind of can guess what's going to happen.
All right, what do you like about Shogun?
I like that the British guy goes around saying savages.
That's fun. I like that part.
I don't know, it's just a great story
and also a great political thriller, if you will.
Okay, okay.
I don't know, it kind of does.
It is, it is by the way.
Yeah.
The writing of the characters is immaculate.
Yeah, every character feels like legit
And like they have their reasonings,
which is so rare,
because sometimes you're like,
why is this character doing this?
Oh, just because the show.
Just fill the space.
It's like, because he's doing it.
And he's just doing it because we needed him to,
not because he had a, this is in his characteristic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I completely agree.
So what'd you like about fallouts?
That's a great question, gone.
Um, something, something, Max.
No, that's Matt, there's Max.
Okay.
I like, I like, there's,
there's this like three concurrent perspectives
of the story being told and all of them have like their own
motivations for trying to figure out what's going on or to continue going forward.
So you said there was a mystery or something as well.
There is a mystery. There is a mystery. And the mystery is really well told.
Okay. And even though you find out most of the mystery, there's still more to be,
more to be found. And also the answers for the mysteries are satisfying. Not like erased.
See, I'm so proud of my boy. There you go. All right, you've sold me on fallout.
The mystery's really, really good. Yeah. You'd love it. It's a Gant show.
I love mystery shows.
I love having a mystery to work towards.
She's very funny.
Is it actually funny?
It's like a few times I was laughing out loud.
I was like, okay, it's pretty fucking good.
Okay, okay, you've sold me.
I've heard that the main girl was the same girl
that voiced jinx in Arcane as well.
Dude, her eyes are so anime.
Yeah, they're huge.
She's huge eyes.
She reminds me of...
It's like some leadership.
Yeah, Alita Barangelo, right?
God damn.
Yeah, okay.
And also, it's very gory.
When someone gets shot, they like,
you see everything.
In the game, they fucking, like, explode.
Yeah, yeah, like, some people get shot
and they just fully explode.
Also, his practical effect on his face is so good.
He's actually wearing, like, all this, like, makeup stuff,
and it looks so good.
Right.
It's really cool.
Yeah, I really want to watch it.
All right.
So how many shows to watch?
Watch one episode of this,
and I guarantee you'll put everything else in the backbrother.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I know I'm gonna enjoy this.
I was like, I was like, I'm gonna watch one episode tonight.
This and Shogun is definitely my top two.
Yeah, it's this Shogun and, well, this is on my watch list,
but it was like Shogan and Invincible, that was like,
Oh yeah, Invisible 2 is, I guess, I guess I'm not watching anime for a while.
I guess, oh no, I'm not in re-manger as well.
I mean, don't even get me starting in Innsibald.
They brought it out. They, there's like two episodes out.
You can, oh, really?
Oh, no, that's four.
It's like four, because they had the half season break.
Oh, I mean, it's still, it's still, it's still a lot of episodes.
Oh.
Well, season one was what, eight episodes?
This one's eight episodes as well.
But they split it into half a year.
Yeah, but what confused me at the beginning?
I was like, oh, they're doing a 40 minute premiere.
Then I didn't realize every episode was 40 minutes.
So it's basically a double season, in a sense, from the first season.
No, the first season was also 42 and 60 minutes long.
Yeah, yeah.
The guy, you girl mathed your way and think you're more episodes.
Maybe I'm just anime peeled.
And I was like, this is an animated.
Not every TV series is 20 minutes per episode.
I'm pretty sure the first episode invincible
is like an hour long.
Yeah, it's really long.
I was anime-pilled and I was like, oh, it's an animated show.
51, 48, 45, yeah.
Yeah, they're all like 45 minutes.
The last episode's like over an hour, is it?
Okay.
Oh, no, 48, okay.
Yeah, they're all like 40 to 50, I swear.
Okay.
Yeah.
I made that the fuck up.
And then the exact same thing,
but then split it in half,
so you only got to watch like four episodes,
then you had to wait a year.
Okay, I'm gonna wait till it's fully out then before.
Well, it is, it's fully out now.
The first, the two seasons are fully out.
Oh, they're full, fuck.
Yeah, so now you can watch it.
Right, another thing I have to watch then.
I would say that, I would say you can,
you can just watch season one.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Whoa, whoa.
I mean, I've seen season one.
The fuck are you talking about God,
you just watch season one, what the hell?
I mean, season, season two,
season two is good, but it, like,
it didn't feel like it was, I don't know.
I remember, two setting up for,
it didn't feel like,
it didn't feel like as complete as season one was.
Season two was like, it ended.
And I was like, I feel like it was like halfway through the storyline, the story arc.
Well, yeah, I mean, because there's like kind of, there's a bunch of self-contained stories and also, obviously, we're mainly on Earth.
So that one's kind of like covering that relationship.
And then season two is kind of building up the kind of universe.
Yeah.
It's like a tag on time then.
Kind of.
Yeah, I'd say so in the sense that season two was the ball.
Wait, wait, wait.
Well, you have this, you have the scope.
And then season two, season two pulls out like this.
and you're like, oh.
Yeah.
And then season three was when it all just hit the fan, right?
Oh.
Season two did feel like we were shedding up.
Are we really gonna argue on this?
Yes.
I just, I just, I just, I'm just thinking about it
before I say something potentially stupid.
Oh, who the fuck cares?
Yeah, no fuck it.
I just said this again, I don't get a bit off.
I don't give a fuck.
Yeah, point is I felt like invincible season one,
I finished that, I felt satisfied,
invincible season two.
I finished that, I was like,
I do not.
satisfied because I don't feel like I've seen a complete
complete storyline arc.
Invincible felt like, you know when like Castlevania
season one drop and you're like, holy shit,
this goes hard.
Yeah. Season one of this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cause many it was like came out of nowhere.
You're like, what the fuck is this?
Yeah. Why is it so good?
It's insanely good.
Why is everyone British? It's so good.
This is all you need with Connor.
Just give someone like a British accent
and you're like, actually, literally when I'm investing.
I want to really, go to it.
What I've realized, if you just have
British voice actors, I'm biased in staff.
They just sound so good.
They always sound so good.
Except for the, what is the game?
What is the Nintendo game?
Oh, uh, Ninobley.
Did they don't have British voice actors?
Well, because they took the British voice actors.
They're like, Rex, right?
Could you sound like, like, anime?
Wait, was it, was it Rex or Shulk?
No, actually, both of them were British voice actors.
Rex was awesome.
Yeah.
That was because they made British people sound anime.
And I was like, yeah.
And the reason why like,
Fucking, Castlevania was good.
Was like, just pretend you're in like modern day UK.
And they were like, all right,
gotta go fucking kill some fucking air.
Well, not modern day UK.
It is basically modern day UK.
I think the poverty is as bad in the Castlevania and modern day UK.
I don't think it's much difference.
We just don't have Dracula, of course.
Have you been to Birmingham Garland?
I was going to say, how far north are we going?
Yeah, it depends.
You're, you're a cushy salad.
You'll come to the North guy, you'll see.
You'll be like, wow, they already had it pretty good in Castlevania.
You get, they're the pubs open?
Yeah. It's safe in the pub?
I was like, oh my God, Castlevania is real.
I didn't realize this.
Oh, why is the new Castlevania season kind of air?
Is it? I haven't seen it yet.
Wait, really? It's a new season.
They have a brand new, like, storyline.
Oh, shit, really?
What is it called?
Which one?
It's like Castlevania, like,
nocturn or something.
Wait, there's six seasons now?
Well, it was technically
season five, right?
Oh, Jesus.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, it's new characters.
Yeah, so we had,
what was it, four seasons of the original?
Four seasons are the original one.
And so now there's
Castlevania Nocturn, which I heard was
air, which why I didn't watch it.
I think it was, I mean, it's great.
I think there's just some things
where you're like,
eh.
And then they're mainly setting up
for season two and three,
which you never want that
to the first season to be doing that.
Is this like, who's the main character of this?
Some two new characters.
Okay, is it like their descendant?
Oh, it's Richter. It's Richter Belmont.
Yeah, Richter.
Yeah. So they went Borito in this shit, man?
Uh, I guess, yeah.
I guess so.
I mean, they just, yeah.
It's Castlevania Borito.
And like, that's, that's,
That's why it's there.
I also didn't like the show,
because they showed them throwing the tea in the harbor
in Boston. I was like, get that shit.
It opens up with like a traumatic event happening now.
I was like, yeah, me too, man.
So it's from the American's...
Alacades in it.
I don't want to spoil it, but Alicada is in it too.
He's literally Saskia.
Okay.
Alicada is the Saskatchewan.
Oh, God.
Yeah, Cassamine was so good.
It was so good.
I love that.
Did you finish Castlevania?
Yeah.
Did you finish it too?
I think I got to season three.
I haven't seen season four.
I love how like every now and then the dialogue
between the fight between Simon, Simon is it?
No, who's it?
No, it wasn't Simon.
It was the one guy from Cosmany Three.
Um, fuck what's the main character?
Yeah, what the fuck's the main character
for Cosmany's three?
His fight versus death?
The dialogue, the dialogue is so fucking funny
out of context.
I don't remember.
Can we, can we, can I show God?
Did you care?
If you see what the dialogue was?
I don't care.
Can you type in a funny dialogue,
Castlevania Death Fight?
I don't know.
Oh, shit.
Brilliant.
Funny.
Okay, maybe it's...
Yeah, Netflix, Castlevania.
Try, try putting that down.
It was so funny.
Oh, no.
It's literally the most, like, out of context,
it sounds so fucking ridiculous.
Trevor, Belmont.
That's the name.
Yeah, yeah, Trevor, Trevor.
Chava versus death, like, yeah, is this it?
It's just like the dialogue is so weird.
You don't make anything, you don't live.
You just eat and hide.
Is there a point to this?
Are you dictating your fucking obituary to me, Belmont?
It's time for us to go.
And who's going to make me go?
You, with your bit of string in your hand?
It's just such weird dialogue for, like,
Yeah, I think there's definitely more funny bits,
but yeah, it's just like, what is this dialogue?
It's just so unique.
I'm like, that's why I like love this show.
It's just so fucking stupid.
The final boss is like...
The thing that stood out to me about the first few castavanias seasons
was like, it's rare just to see banter done well.
Yeah, yeah.
So a lot of times, especially in just the new fucking,
this new wave of like Marvel movies or something,
everyone tries to write banter, but a lot of times
it just sounds like,
Oh, let's quip.
Let's just, let's just, yeah.
Chris Hemsworth was like,
he said that he regretted
that how much they went off the script
on like, Thor, Love and Wonder.
Yeah, love and thunder.
Love and Thunder.
Have you seen it?
Yeah.
Yeah, shit.
It's just like him being like,
oh yeah, mate, every like five seconds
and just joking.
It's just like not funny.
Yeah.
You know, but it's, you know,
I think I'm glad that now.
Someone has to, someone has to like reel it in,
you know.
I mean, I think they have now.
so many of the Marvel movies have lost money.
So no one's watching them anymore.
It's boring.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's been like five years.
I saw it was like, I think five years since
the end game fight or something like that.
And I was like, it's been five fucking years.
What the fuck since that, since that massive cultural moment?
Still haven't seen it.
Madden Webb, yeah, $15 million.
Yeah.
Is that even a Marvel movie?
Yeah, I don't think, I didn't.
Yeah, it's a Spider-Man.
Yeah, but that's like, there's like the MCU
and then there's like...
And then there's like the Sony Marvel shit
or whatever the more...
Either way, I'm glad it's over.
At least once every month we shit on Marvel.
Happy for it to be done.
Oh well.
I just want one more, one more to be good.
Maybe, maybe we'll get one more.
Well, that's it for today.
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What's such a high bar of entry.
He listens to words.
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