Trash Taste Podcast - WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IDOLS | Trash Taste #155

Episode Date: June 9, 2023

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Welcome back to another episode of Trash Taste. Oh my God. Oh, my God. Way to go, Joey. I'm here once again with the boys, Jerry and I'm your host for today. Was that your way of saying hello? Joey, was that your way of saying hello?

That is my way of saying hello. I can't walk. I did a ring fit stream yesterday and my legs don't function. Yeah, you, uh, was it? Cause you don't have anywhere to cycle, so you're like, I'm gonna destroy my legs inside my house now. I don't know, I wanted to do a ring fit because I thought ring fit was a fun game.

And I actually like, I actually play ring fit like sometimes casually. because it's fun. It is fun. They have gamified exercise Nintendo have done something, right? Because it was worryingly fun doing exercise. It's a fantastic game. Yeah, it is.

Pretty well made. And, you know, I think casually it's an amazing game. I think grinding it is absolutely fucking stupid. I don't think it's supposed to be grinding. Well, no, because the game every time you clear a stage, it's like, all right, good job, man. I want to do those cool-down stretches now? And then I have to keep pressing, like, no.

So it keeps going. But I don't know, I thought, huh, I wonder, I wonder if I can burn 1,000 calories on the in-game, like, thing. Yeah. And I wondered how long that would take. And so I thought, well, how long did it take? Uh, eight hours of in-game time.

Eight, you, you, you streamed ringfif for eight hours? Yeah, yeah, streamed straight. What's wrong with you, bro? Well, I wanted the exercise too, so I was like that. Oh, you're alive right now. Well, I can't walk. I actually had to get stretched into the set today. No, I woke up with such immense pain.

Because it's all like stretches, yoga, squats. And I don't know, I just thought it would be fun. And I guess I didn't consider how it would cripple me the next day. And I'm still tired. Like I slept like nine hours and I'm still tired. Yeah, no shit. But was it fun? Was it fun?

It was pretty fun, actually. Yeah, it was like ring fit, again, it's a goaded game. Like the music goes unfathomably hard. Yeah, but for eight hours, bro? Yeah, eight hours. Yeah, it was too long. You sadistic. And like, every, I tweeted out being like,

I beat, I beat 1,000 calories in ring fit, which, by the way, I didn't know. The calorie count only goes up to 999, and then it doesn't roll over. So that was kind of anticlactic. So technically, you clickbaited. Because you set a thousand in the title, and I'm waiting for that extra calories still.

He's still going. All right, fine, fine. And everyone's like, really? Only 1,000 calories in eight hours? I was like, well, yeah, how fucking course it's not 1,000 calories? Like, what do you, this game? Yeah, this is ringfit calories. Yeah, the game.

Also like fucking lies about how much you're burning. It is, because like my, I was wearing two different Fitbits and they both said I burned 5,000 calories by the end of it. How are you not just like skin and bones? Brom, I'm, what do you mean? I got junk in the trunk. A lot of reserves to work through.

But, but, I mean, if there was a direction to lie about how many calories you're burning, I think it's better to be inaccurate- Oh, for sure. About, you know, burning less calories then just overestimating it and being like, oh yeah, I bought like 5,000 calories last night actually. I mean like some-

And your ring fits us five. Yeah. Some exercises you're like, yeah, this makes sense and this wouldn't burn that many. And then when you're doing squats, you're like, there's no way, this is four calories. I just have 20 squat. This feels like 500 calories.

Like I, it's too much. Yeah. Right. The important thing is though, like, okay, so it's a game, right? Did you find a way to like break the game in any way during those? eight hours to be like, I'm doing the exercise,

but I don't feel like I'm doing the exercise in the way they're intended to do the exercise. Is it possible to speed run ring fit-fitted? Yeah, you could, yeah, absolutely. So the trick to speed running it is I guess the first level where you would get to a ledge and normally the game will tell you to jump over it. But your character will keep running.

Yeah. And when you're running, you're burning calories. Right. And the by-file, quickest way to burn calories, like in real life is to run. Yeah. It goes up a lot faster. So if you literally just stand in place and jog,

for like two hours, you'd burn a thousand calories, which I think actually is kind of accurate. I think if you stood in place for two hours and jogged, you probably would burn, yeah, probably I think around that. Yeah, that sounds about right. Maybe, maybe not, maybe a little bit less. God damn it, I can never get away from the running. It's always the running.

It always comes back to, the best way to burn calories is just to run. Or like cycle or do any kind of cardio-intensity exercise. Running I don't like doing as much normally, because it hurts my legs. After a while, maybe it's because I have improper running form. I don't know, but that's why I like cycling. It's like, you can't fuck it up.

Swimming's also great too. Swimming's like actually a full body, which I really enjoy, but Japan is just allergic to pools. Yeah, there's pools fucking nowhere unless you pay like $500 a month for membership. It's paid a win for the swing. Yeah. And it's like even then, it's like there's nowhere like,

there's one like it's kind of close to me, but it's still just a little bit inconvenient. It's like, dude, I'm not gonna go swimming if it's like fucking so far away. Yeah, exactly. Swimming's opier as fuck though. Yeah. So that's me getting,

because I was getting tired of doing these 12 hour streams where I just sat there and at the end of the day, I'd be like, wow, I'm tired from all that streaming. I look at my Fitbit and it's like, you walked 1,000 steps today. I'm like, Jesus Christ. I'll be honest, because I tried streaming a bit more this past month,

even though most of it is just one single game. Yeah, which you can probably guess what it is. And I'm just like, I remember like finishing a day of streaming and some days I'd stream like, you know, six hours. And I just feel like, wow, I've done nothing with today. And tomorrow I'm gonna wake up and do nothing as well. I'm like, how do streamers do this? My mind has literally gone to mush.

I did it for a week and I'm like, no, I actually need to touch some grass. I guess because you have, if you're a full-time streamer, you're like, oh, this is my, this is how I make money, right? But I guess for you, it's like, well, I got obligations and I got main videos to work on. No, because the thing is, I did feel like I was still, okay, it's so weird because I'm like, I'm streaming,

but I always felt like I was tricking my brain into doing work when I actually wasn't doing work, Even though like I was making money and, you know, I was making like second channel videos and everything like that. So technically I was working, but it never felt like, I don't know, the work that I was doing never felt like actual work.

It just felt like I was tricking. I found like a fucking work hack to be like, yes, I'm actually working on making money, but am I doing anything to benefit society? I don't know if I, I don't know if I do. Would you categorize your normal videos as benefiting society? You know what?

I didn't, but after I've done streaming for like two weeks, I'm like, maybe, maybe I'm benefiting society. Like, a little bit. Most self-aware streamer on the planet. That's why I can't like, I can't just do like only game streams, like, constantly. Cause I just feel like I'm not doing anything. Yeah. I'm like, I got to, like, so this is like, you know, and lately I've been trying to pack more streams in and manage my schedule, which means, normally something needs to get cut out and it's only the gym.

So it's like, fuck. Because, you know, the time for streaming in Japan, again, this is like YouTube a talk, so I'm sorry to anyone who doesn't give a fuck. Because we live in this time zone, right? The best time zone to start streaming, normally is pretty early in the morning for us or late at night.

Yeah. And if I start at like 1 p.m., it's like, no one's gonna watch. Yeah. Because everyone in every other time zone can't really watch that. So it's kind of like, all right, well, fuck you. So normally if you start pretty early,

but I hate going to the gym at night. So it's like, if I want to go to the gym, I got to go, I got to go. Oh, fuck, I got to go to go. So you're gonna stream at night, go to the gym in the morning, right? So therefore stream ring fit. Therefore you fix your own problem.

Do a week's worth of exercise in one stream. That's not how exercise works. I know that. That is not. I'm joking. Yeah, I mean, I just wanted to do something kind of weird and contribute to society actually. That was a big part.

What are you contributing? I informed people how many hours it takes to burn a thousand calories and ring fit. There's your contribution to society. Was it psychotic? Absolutely. Nutrition. So just.

I think you probably feel that way about streaming because it's not your full-time, like it's not your focus. So I think if you- I could, I don't think I could make it my full-time focus, but after trying it for a week, I'm like, I don't know, yeah, I feel, it's weird, right? Because I, you know, there are some streams

where you're like, yeah, that was really fun. And then some of them you were just like, that was really mind-numbing and I was just playing a game for eight hours. Didn't really feel like I did anything. And I couldn't imagine doing that, every single day where I wake up and I'm like, don't really have anything to talk about

because all I did was play a game for eight hours. Yeah, that was, that was my life. The problem is you found the joy of touching grass. That's your problem. You're also bringing a lot of, I guess a lot of the streaming one, and I guess it can be it's easier is when you kind of only get content

or you only get like stuff to talk about from the thing that you're doing. You're not relying on external things. Yeah, yeah. Topics to talk about. Yeah. Obviously there can be things to talk about. But yeah, I know that that's one

of the biggest problems of streaming is that it dedicates so much for your life. You almost get like no other life experiences. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Entire life is just this thing. Yeah. Whereas YouTube, right, you could, I could make, I remember I used to do this,

back when my videos took a lot less work. And I still thought I was working really hard because you know how it is when you're YouTube. Yeah, of course. Like I work so hard. And then you're like, I would make like three videos in one week and I would just do nothing for three weeks. Because then I was like, oh, this is sick.

That's what I do right now. Joey's on that gig up special. On that gig up schedule, right? Exactly. Because you're like, man, I work so hard. And you're like, wait, I have like four days a week empty. I'm like, I don't work that hard. Like I, I, I, I, I-

I'm doing other stuff. I'm doing other stuff. I organize. Yeah, but I mean, I guess you got like nonsense, you're working on stuff like that. So that makes sense, right? Like, that's just how your priority shift. Yeah.

But yeah, streaming is just so time-intensive. Dude, I don't know, man. It's weird. Yeah. That's freaks. Yeah, that's why I went to touch grass this weekend, actually after my week, two weeks of streaming. Where did you go?

Where did you? I didn't realize this was going on until the weekend, actually. There was a Thai festival in Tokyo, and like one of the biggest festivals outside of Thailand for like Thai culture. Yeah, I got a little piece of home, which was interesting. So I turned up to this. I turn up to this.

Like, hey, where are you guys at, huh? My homies. Okay, but first thing. For the gap hour now. Yeah, first thing, First thing, the only place in the world why I literally did not know what language should speak, like so.

English, Japanese, Thai, which one? Do I speak English? Do I speak Japanese? Do I speak Japanese? I remember like, I turned up. And within like two hours, a fan recognizes me. And we start the conversation. He asks if he could take a picture in Japanese.

I reply in Japanese, we have a short Japanese exchange. Then Sydney comes in and she wants reflects her, the little Thai that she knows. So she starts speaking to women Thai. She, uh, she, he replies in Thai, speaks back to me in Japanese, but then I, I noticed we're starting to speak in Thai. So I reply in Thai, right? And then another, another fan recognizes me, start speaking to me in English. So the conversation just switches to English. And I'm just like, this is, I feel like I'm in like that YouTube video where it's just

like, but polyglots reflects how many languages they can speak because we were, it was, it was so fucking weird because everyone there was basically, basically, bilingual at least. Yeah. Most of them were like tribal. How many of them were like actually Thai? Um, quite a lot actually. Yeah.

So there were quite a lot of Thai people there. Um, and it's, so most of it was like food stalls and everything like that. Uh, but there was one, so I was, I was looking around to see what, uh, what store had the longest line because I was like, I wanted the best Thai food. I'm, I miss home. I wanted the, I wanted a piece of the home. So I look around and I see one store had, uh, by far the longest line out of any stall

in the entire festival. I had time. Right? I'm, I subconsciously just start lining up, just in case I want to do. And so I like track the line, and the line's so long that it kind of like loops round, so it's like, it's like a line, loops round, and it loops back round again.

So, Japanese. And I'm like, oh, what is this line for? It's the line for the fucking garbage. I shit you not. You're like, damn, what they cook it? They're cooking. It's smelling kind of rancor right now. But I bet it's good.

Yo, I smell durian color. Oh no, it's shit. I don't know if this is a normal thing for like Japanese festivals because this is kind of like the first festival that I've been to. So they don't, they have, they don't have like, bins there, they have like garbage stalls

where you have the same old, you know, you have the same kind of like station where you can, separate your garbage, but they have an actual, like, they have an actual stand for that. Well, like, it's like manned? Yeah, it's like manned. Oh, yeah.

Man, that must be a shit shop. Yeah, yeah. So the problem was, there's only so many stores where you could get rid of your garbage because there were no public bins or anything like that. So I don't know if this is normal for a Japanese festival because I went there and most of the time, most of my waiting time was waiting to get rid of the shit

I kept buying and unfortunately, I was very hungry and I wanted to go to as many stores as possible. So anytime I bought something, I was like, fuck's sake, I got like, I got like a Thai noodle in my hand and I can't put it anywhere. No. Which, uh, that's very Japanese. Yeah, which kind of shows how dedicated

the Japanese culture is to following the rules and not littering because I swear to God, if this was in place, because at bare minimum, To get rid of any garbage, even if you had like a single bottle in hand, it was like a 15 minute wait. That's wild. To get, to get rid. I would just eat the plastic.

I would give it. What I would have done is just like I would have gone to like the nearest combini or something and just buy something, get a plastic bag and just hold that shit. Yeah. That's what I would have done. And then like once I'm like back at a station or another company or something, because because it was so fucking frustrating to get rid of just the simplest thing.

But at the same time, no one listening. I was fucking, I was amazed. There was not a single, like, there was not a single piece of garbage I saw at this massive festival, which had like 2000, like thousands of people. Yeah, because in any other country, if they see a line to throw shit out,

people would just be like, fuck this. Just like start littering, right? Yeah, I'll just make a pile. Yeah, I'll start, everyone join in. Yeah, especially when you throw in alcohol into that mix as well, which was the biggest, like, I can't believe this is actually happening. People are getting drunk in public,

and people are actually seeing, still conscious enough to throw their shit away and wait in line to throw their shit away. But yeah, props up to the Japanese people. I didn't know this, but I went there and I didn't know there were Thai idols that were a thing as well. Titles?

Titles? Titles? So there was a main stage where, you know, there was a main stage where, you know, different concerts and different performances were going on. And I was like, Sydney, we got it. We got a beer in hand, why not?

Why, let's watch some, let's watch some time musicians perform. And, uh, we, we go in and they go, so next, uh, next, uh, next band coming off is, uh, BKT 48. And I was like, that ain't got 48? I was like, ain't, no way. Ain't no way this is a fucking thing. And yeah, and apparently, uh, on steps on, BKT 48. I guess the, uh, I guess, uh, I guess, uh, Bangkok went, we want AKB 48 at home.

And, uh, Bangkok, Thailand 48. Yeah, I think it's just BKT, which is like Bangkok. Yeah, Bangkok, yeah, Bangkok, yeah, Bangkok have their own, uh, BKT 48. And I found out that basically every doing research, I was like, there's no way, there's no way this is real. Yeah. Uh, it is real. Uh, apparently there's a Bangkok sister idol from AKB 48.

And there's, there's JKT 48 as well. Chicago 48? Yeah. No way. I had no idea this was a thing. Oh my God. And they basically all do the same songs. It's like they all do the same songs.

Wait, so are they like original songs or are they like covers from AKB 48? Some of them, I believe some of them are covers and some of them... This is my nightmare. And I love it. I was like... I hate idol groups. Yeah. I do too, but I just love that concept. I'm just like, let's just take the city name, condense it down to three letters,

and get 48 of them. Yeah, and do that for every country. The Ramadan special, 848. Yo, JKZ 40 is doing a Ramadan special? Let's go! Are you serious? JKT 48 Ramadan, man. That's...

She's like, what is the fucking point of having 48 members? That's so fucking many. Because you get all the choice in the world to choose who you're or she is, right? Yeah. So I have basically zero knowledge about AKB 48. So I kind of missed,

I kind of missed that train. You're probably better off, to be honest. Yeah, yeah. It was so fucking weird, right? Because obviously this was a Thai festival. And, you know, even though there are a lot of Thai idol fans, I'm sure, this festival was full of just, you know, different members.

of people who just wanted to come to the Thai festival and you just saw the dichotomy between there were like one or two hardcore BKT 48 fans that were just go, like there was one, there were two people that were just like sitting on each other's shoulders and just like hardcore, you know, you know when you know the choreography,

but you like go, you like, they're those guys that just lean into it. It's not just like they know like the choreography, and they're like, ugh. It's like they're doing a fucking, it's like they're doing a full-on exercise. They're leaning to this 100%. And then they're just like some Thai grandmas

to be like, I don't know what's going on right now, but I'm going to clap. Is this a karaoke session? Should I go up on stage? Correction, it's BNK-K-408. Ah, BNK-K-K-F-K-408. Ang-K-K-48. Apologies, BNK-K-40A.

Apologies. I wouldn't know how that discussion the original AKB 48 got to 48. Some guy was like 20, the guy was like, more. They were like 30, more. 40, sir, more. 50, that's too much. 50 is too many.

I just wanna know, why 48? That's so, it's so fucking, I'm sure there's some reason. This is one thing I never understood about idol groups that were that big, you know, like, up to like, let's say, eight is like pushing it for me, 10 is, is like the maximum to how many I can like reasonably follow along with. I'm just trying to think of like- I feel K-pop groups got it the best where it's like they limit it to between like five and 15.

Like I think that's like a manageable size, even 15. 50, yeah, five, five, five. Yeah, five to 10 is like a manageable size, you know. Yeah. I don't know why I view him, I don't know why my mind has made its distinction, but I view like K-pop bands, I suppose, very differently to how I view idols, I guess they are kind of different because- I mean, they are, right? They are idols, but I guess the way that they market themselves very different, right?

Whereas is it though? Do they? In a weird sense, I think K-pop groups almost are, I think they, again, there's me talking out my ass, somebody doesn't consume either of them. Yeah. In my head, I feel like, whereas the idols focus on, I suppose, catering to the customer and interacting with the customer directly, K-pop groups tend to focus more on releasing music and having kind of, I don't know, in my head.

I guess I see it as like, because idols, most idols, it's all about the fan meetups. It's all about the handshake things, you know, whereas it feels that the K-pop groups are more like, yeah, I'll be a fan, but it's mainly you consume it and interact with it through all of the media there. No, I disagree because- I could be wrong.

This is the perspective of a man who's talking out of his ass who doesn't consume either. I mean, I'm not super knowledgeable on either, but I know for a fact that like in Japan at least, you know, like when we think of like Japanese idols, like AKB 482 is the first one, like just large groups of Japanese girls all dress the same, you know, interacting with fans,

like, you know, if it's like the underground idol scene and stuff like that, but like, Japan also has a massive male idol culture as well. Like, there are so many fucking super groups of like just, just dudes who are doing basically like, you know, boy band shit, like, you know, backstreet boys type of stuff, right? And it's like, and a lot of that underground scene

is yeah, from the most part, it's majority filled with like all female groups. But there's also some like highly, highly dedicated like male groups as well that do the same thing. I think it's just that there's, because that whole like underground scene of like the all girl groups has just been so well documented compared to the male counterpart

that I think a lot of people just aren't aware that, no, there's male equivalents of it as well. So many documentaries about the idol industry. Exactly. And they're all based around like the female groups, right? Yeah. Yeah. I remember there's one that released where it was like, it was they were interviewing people

who are fans of underground idol groups. And there was one where it was like, I guess the mom was getting her like 12 year old daughter to be an idol. Oh, I saw that. Yeah. And there was like a bunch of 40 year old dudes who were like paying to have Zoom calls with her.

Yeah. And the mom was cool with it. It was fucking weird. Yeah. It was like, it was just so bizarre. And it was like, she would do live streams on some, I don't know, some weird website. It wasn't like any of the mainstream ones.

And she would get like a thousand viewers. And she was like 13. Yeah, I think, this is weird. I actually, I actually do remember there, there is an app in Japan or website. titles to go on, right? That's specifically, I think it's called Ichinana or something.

Yeah, it was like one of those where you can like, and you just like you watch them and you have to like keep paying. Yeah. Yeah. It's basically like camgoling except they're not like doing sexual stuff. They're just like talking basically, yeah. But like you can tip to like have conversations

with them live right. Yeah. And it's very, I mean, one, it's Parascial as fuck, but yeah. It's also just like little creepy. I mean, I'm not one to judge people who wanna stream and make money. Yeah. My opinion, it's a bit creepy. Yeah, yeah.

I think it's like, you know, it'd be hypocritical of me to be like, man, they look at these people going online and asking for money from people. Yeah. Because, you know, it's actually what I fucking do. Although, please don't fucking give money. Thank you, thank you, thank you, patrons.

But I feel like, I feel like the creepiness, because I feel like when you see that 12 year old fucking do that, and the mom's encouraging, that's funny. Yeah, that's right. I mean, we've seen that on like YouTube as well, you know, some parents. Some parents. Parent YouTube channels, yeah.

You're definitely like shilling their kid. But I guess it's because you, in this documentary, the one that was on YouTube, and I can't remember who did it. It was one of the journalists. It was like, they would go and interview the dudes who were consuming it, which were like 50 year old man.

Yeah. And then that's where you're like, you know, because if it's a kid, like Ryan's tour reviews, where other kids are watching. You're like, okay, that's, I mean, there's still gotta be some kind of questionable thing, what's going on here

with the parents, how they involved? Is it, you know, is it, is it being run? like in a way that is fair to the kid, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is the money going to the kid or not? All those questions need to be answered, obviously. But it's like, it's like fine.

Yeah, I mean, obviously you would want kids to be within kids content because it helps, you know, that's them. Yeah, they wanna be represented. They don't give a fuck, they just wanna see other kids. Living cool lives, because that's swag. But the fact that if like 50 year old men were consuming it, and you would like, you'd see this dude

on like a Zoom call with like this girl, and she's like 12, and you're like, Why? Yeah, like on the surface, it is the most like morally questionable thing that you could ever see. It's fucking weird. Even though he may be, he may go into it just like completely fucking innocent, right?

Like on all, you know, all circumstances, right? Fair enough, but still, like, when you just look at it at the surface, your first instinct is what's going on. There's absolutely no need for a 50-year-old man to be interacting with a kid in any way that is not not like a professional, like a doctor or something. You know what I mean? Like if you were just hanging out with kids

and you're paying to hang out with kids, I'm definitely gonna be worried, what the fuck? What the hell? You would be on a watch list on any other country. What the fuck? Yeah, I mean, I just find like, I've always found the psychology

of the idol industry fascinating, you know. Yeah, it's wild. Watching these documentaries, because a lot of the times you, you know, a lot of times you come in, you're like, oh, anyone, you know, if you're a, um, if you're a businessman watching this kind of stuff, then obviously there's something nefarious going on.

And I would say from most of the documentaries, I've seen a lot of these people, it's more of just like, they are just lonely and it's kind of like they have like a sad story, you know. With like the adult idol. Yeah, yeah, with the adult idols. I was like, okay, yeah, yeah, with the adult item, sorry.

I was gonna say, I was like, alright, if you're lonely, don't talk to a fucking 12 year old. Let the 12 year olds, talk to the other 12 year olds. Come on. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like, to me, I find it like really interesting to see what kind of psychology goes into how someone really, really gets, you know, honestly kind of like addicted to this kind of content. It's total loneliness. Yeah. And I think there's a lot of conversation online about like male loneliness. But the problem is a lot of the time it's hijacked by like in cells and very right wing conversations. Yeah. A lot of the times it's kind of not,

it's kind of hard to talk about, but, you know, I do think a lot of dudes out there are very lonely. Yeah. Guys aren't good at expressing their emotions or talking about it. So it's very hard for them to kind of open up and kind of learn about themselves more and know how to express yourself.

So I think a lot of guys turn to things like, at least in Japan, where it's even compounded even more, I think. Yeah, yeah. You know, the moment you leave high school, you don't really get pushed to socialize much. I think that just compounding, like, lifelong loneliness that when you get to this age, you're like, I've disposable income.

Like a cute girl can talk to me who's very talented and I can feel like we're friends. And yeah, of course, like this is gonna happen. Especially when people are marketing and telling you, hey, this isn't weird. Look at all the other dudes who are doing this. You know what I mean? So it's kind of like this whole thing

that's compounding just from Japanese society and I feel like it's happening slowly in the kind of Western world, but more with other services. Do you think maybe that aspect is the reason why like, say like in Southeast Asia, like the whole fucking existence of BNK 48 and JKT 48, like do you think maybe that,

do you think maybe it's like an Asian thing? I think yes. I think definitely in terms about, in terms of just opening up and talking about your feelings, especially in Thailand, when I was growing up, mental health issues just weren't really a thing, you know? They weren't in the UK until I was like 10.

Exactly. And even now, it's still, I would argue that it's still, especially in our parents' generation, you know, people in the West may have been more aware and may have heard about it more, but it feels like, at least in, you know, Thai culture and Asian culture, it's not really talked about, like, at all.

And, you know, there are some things that you come across in, let's say, Asian family gatherings that are just kind of like normalized. It's kind of like normalized in Asian culture. You go to a family gathering and whatever weight you are, you better be prepared for your in-laws and your family to talk about your weight,

whether you're too thin or you're too fat. And you are never the perfect to weight. You are either too thin. Goldie loxters are not in serious, right? Exactly, exactly. It doesn't matter too little too much. It doesn't matter if you're fucking ripped as shit. You've been going to the gym every day.

They're like, yo, have you been carb loading? I feel like you've been carbloading a little too much recently. They will find any way to not compliment you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the thing is, the only way to solve that issue is to eat more. I don't know what it is about, even if they say that you're overweight as shit,

they'll say you're overweight in the same sentence where they tell you to eat like 10 dishes that they cook for you. I don't know what. The psychology, I don't know. Yeah. Because I just don't see that whole idle thing existing outside of Asian countries.

Like, could you imagine a fucking LND 48 in London or like a CRD 48 in Carnif. Like, it's just never gonna happen. Although it would be kind of epic. I think it's like that doesn't, I don't know why. I think it just doesn't gel well with the Western mindset. Like that's how they kind of get rid of that loneliness. I don't think that's how they do it.

But then we have stuff like only fans and stuff. Yeah. A lot of guys turn to. Yeah. And V-chubing. You know, stream is just in general, I think. Yeah. Yeah, but I think even then like the, the way that the Japanese V-tubing set up

to Western V-tubing is very, very different. I think, I think so. I think so. At least the way the audience approach it. Yeah, I think the big difference between East and West and in this kind of sense is that I feel like idols and let's say, only fan, streamers and all that kind of stuff.

We're both kind, they're both kind of sell a similar product, right? It's like the kind of like parasocial kind of where you feel like you have a connection with that person or with that streamer. Yeah. I just feel like with idols, it's just a bit more in your face. And I feel like the big difference is that,

at least in the West, people don't wanna feel like they're being sold something. Yeah, they don't wanna feel like a fan. They wanna feel like a friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think when they're sold a fan experience, it doesn't, at least with some people, I don't think it resonates as widely.

There needs to be that natural feeling of self-discovery. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like, I wasn't sold this. I made the conscious choice to be like, oh, okay. I discovered them for myself and then you slowly spiral down into that rabbit hole. Whereas with idols, it's like front and center, here are the girls, they can be your friends, okay?

If you just paid the money, they will be your friends, they will shake your hands. All right. And then Javanian people are like, is that easy? Okay. Okay. It's like, you know, you can, and if you keep buying their albums, maybe they'll go on a lunch date with you.

Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? It's like, that's like, that's true. It is, you know, it's, it's a lot of the times, and it's the same thing like girls bars, right? Like dudes will go to the same bar and the hopes that they might, they've paid enough money at one point to hopefully get a date.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I also almost feel like, at least in the West, the whole idea of like, boy bands and like, idol groups and stuff like that is kind of like a pars thing. Like, because like, I don't know, I feel like K-pop has really, that's that, they've kind of like modernized it.

I feel, I feel like Western boy bands and girl bands have kind of, you know, I mean, the last one I could think of was like, backstreet boys are like in sync. And that was like fucking 20 plus years ago, right? So it's like, since then we haven't, the West hasn't really adopted that style, at least in like the music scene.

It's just because, it's just because K-B, yeah, go for it. I just feel like it's because K-pop is just so fucking dominant. No one can do it as well as they can. I also think that, you know, you have to look at it. at the landscape of, you know, agencies and contracts. Like in Korea, you know, it's still a lot,

and you know, Asia in general, you know, contracts, you don't normally very heavily favored in the producer, the person making the group or controlling, you know, whereas over the years, you know, especially in places like California and stuff like that, like contracts have become, you know, very, very, well, documented that it used to be a lot of abuse, right?

So now, nowadays, you kind of can't make these contracts they're all very one-sided and you can't force the talent to do a bunch of stuff they didn't agree to. So there's like a realistic, like, do you really think that half of these idol groups or bands perform as much if they didn't have a producer who had a lot of the power kind of pushing them to do more, right? Like, realistically, there'd probably be less.

Because did you hear about like the Backstreet Boys contract that they were on? It's probably, I actually, do you know, like Backstreet Boys, right? Like, he's one of the most fucking popular Western boy bands of all time. Do you know how much money they walked away with when they disbanded?

I don't know how much. 100K. What? Yeah. Well, yeah, like that's crazy. Because the contract was so shit. They sold that many songs of the most well-known boy band walked away with 100K.

Yeah, that's like that should never happen. Yeah, yeah, and I imagine there's something, you know, I'm just speculating that I imagine the deals, you know, are always very, very heavily leaning towards way favorite for the talent. Yeah. Like, you know, like in Japan, like MCMs or like agencies for YouTubers, you know, even though it's like a modern thing, like they're still like very heavily skewed towards whoever's running.

Yeah. So not not the YouTuber. Yeah. Like I think the pretty common one's like, like for one of the YouTube networks or something here was like 20% for the talent. It's like 20 or 30% for the talent. Yeah. Which is like egregious. Yeah. You know, to give more preference, to explanation is what it is normally in the West.

It's like tops 10% nowadays. It used to be 20, you'd hear a lot, but 10 is kind of a standard. 10 for the agency. Yeah, 10% for the agency and 90% for the talent because you're the one making. Yeah, exactly. And you're the one who does everything. Yeah, yeah.

You know, that makes more sense. Yeah, I mean, I feel like a big change is that back then, agencies just had a lot more power. Oh, for sure. Because the internet didn't exist. And now you, because, you know, back in the day, there was no way to, if you wanted to be, like independent to get your name out there

because you'd have to rely on these big agencies that had all the marketing power. They were like, we can get you into stores and get you in people's radars where now you can have a song go viral, anything, like a video go viral and there, that's boom, that's your name out, you're now independent, you know? So I feel like, you know, it's more power to the artist

because the internet, you know, we complain a lot about the internet for a lot of things, but this is one of the good thing that's come out of it. Yeah. What I found really interesting is that in like B-tubing, I've noticed that they, even though it's the, you might like a particular V-tuber

from a particular company. Yeah. I've realized that they've been, like the groups have been really, really smart about getting you invested more so in the brand name as opposed to the talent. So that when you're like, oh, this, we don't want this talent anymore.

It's like, all right, well, people will still want the brand, which is really impressive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, I think if, if idle companies had figured this out, this would be game over. The contracts would be like 100 to zero. Well, I mean, you pay us. Well, I mean, Japan basically did that

with the Johnny's group, which is like, the biggest like idol, which is right now getting a lot of shit. Wasn't that the guy who was like sexually harassing boys? Wait, wait, what's this? Yeah, I haven't heard about this. So the guy who found, yeah, so I don't know the full store. I was gonna make a second show on video on it. I think he made like boy, okay, this again,

like maybe you could pull up with that. Yeah, so Johnny, so Johnny's is basically the biggest idol agency in Japan. For boys, for boys. Right. So like they produced like SMAP, Arashir, like pretty much like all the top fucking boy bands in Japan which were fucking huge.

And the guy who owned it, Johnny something, he's like a half Japanese guy. He, I think he died recently and all these allegations came out about how he was just like horribly sexually abusive to him. By the way, these allegations had been known publicly for like 20 plus years. But you know, in Japan, a lot of the agencies

have a shit ton of power over the media. Because, oh, you have a Saturday TV show that has variety. If you talk shit about any of our agency, fucking goodbye talent. Well, I mean, if you turn on Japanese TV at any time during the day, there is at least one Johnny's Idol member

like hosting or co-hosting or being on one of the, shows like they are everywhere on Japanese TV. And so yeah, like this fucking story camera. But like, you know, as you were saying with V-tube agencies, I feel Johnny's has done that where it's like, even if one group disappears or they disband or whatever, and a new group comes out and you think to yourself,

oh, this is just a new group, you know, whatever. Oh, they're part of Johnny's though? Yeah, yeah. Okay, now I gotta fucking check it out, you know? And it's like they've used the name Johnny's as like a brand power to be like, even if it's someone completely new, completely irrelevant to what you used to like. Just based on their association with that agency,

people are just instantly on that. Yeah, it's fucked. And that kind of power that he had allowed him to do heinous, very horrible things for decades. Yeah, right. And he got away with it, because now he's dead. Yeah, even though, even though it was publicly known that he was doing this before,

and it was reported elsewhere, you know, it was never pushed in any of the news here, again, because Japanese news is, I've seen this very, you know, they don't report things negatively a lot about the government ever. And they, let's say, if there's a talent agency again,

if you were gonna report negatively, you don't get any talent on your shows. So, yeah, that story almost reminded me of that. What's that British guy? I was gonna say, this reminds me of Jimmy Saville. Jimmy Saville. Yeah, yeah, it is literally like that. Yeah, I was like, yeah, British, so much better.

We would never do that. That would never happen in England. No, no, no, every, this just probably happened in many, many, many, many countries. You're so popular that you can get away with doing this heinous shit. Yeah. Or you can just use your company's influence

to bully other companies around and you can do what you want. And it's fucked up, but hey, I mean, again, when we call this shit out in Japan or whatever, it's not that we're trying to be like, look at Japan, look at all the problems. Yeah, it's like, no, obviously, fucking the UK's a fucking mess.

Yeah, it happens everywhere. I just think it's important to point out and talk about it when you talk about the whole industry as a whole. Yeah, exactly. Of course. I mean, everyone knows that there are some, dodgy shit going in the idle industry.

We are, everyone knows that now. It's like the worst kept secret in, the idol like fucking companies. Everyone knows that they're treated like shit. Yeah, yeah. That's why we're all watching Oshinoco, right? Yay! They sell a dream and that's why they work.

Yeah, that's the thing. They sell the dream. No matter how much comes out, as long as you sell that dream, people are going to buy into it, you know? See, that's why, that's why Idolmaster was a five head move because you can't abuse an anime characters. No, no, that's, that's, that was their way of being like,

these pathetic human beings with their emotions are too unreliable. Yeah. Yeah, we can milk them for money, but we should make AIs or fucking characters that have their own mind and will say what I want them to say and will promote anything I want them to promote. And then that way, I don't have to worry about it. Everyone wins. If a person's okay with it, I'm gonna fucking do it.

It is just a matter of time for that happens. Like the first AI idol group or the first AI V-Tuber group, you know? We've getting to the point now. Did you hear about that influencer that made an AI version of themselves? You mean Amaranth? Amaranth?

Was it Amaranth? Yeah, Amaranth? She just announced it, but there was another streamer who was doing it. Another only fan's person who was doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Amaranth is coming out with her own, like, AI version of herself.

Yeah, yeah. Would you imagine just jacking off to like an AI conversation? Just like, what the fuck? Can you imagine like a trash taste one who's like, hey, you can have a conversation with the boys. Come, come, come drink with us, man. Introducing trash AI.

You just like, high corner, poop and poop and stinky. And it's like, bread, bread. It's like, are you eating crusts? Get those out of here, get those out of here. But no, it's so, it's, I mean, it's so weird seeing that you can just, I guess, sell your own image now, but just have an AI version that they're, they can interact with. So you're not technically selling yourself,

but you are kind of at the same time. Where, how do you like morally draw the line? Or where do you morally draw the line with that? Well, that's the big topic, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess with that argument, it's kind of up to the individual, really. And if you're comfortable doing it, then it's like,

all right, well, fine then. No one's, but maybe no one will give a fuck. Yeah. There you go. Yeah, because it's so weird, because like, I've, like, I've been on like YouTube shorts, like recently and there have been some videos,

it's getting scary to me now because there have been some videos where I think the voice is AI generated like there's so many of them yeah so many some of them are like super super obvious like I'm hearing like a story of like 50 cent about how he made like his first million or something and like this sounds believable enough

that maybe this could be a out of context clip but this could also be an AI generated monologue as well and I'm not sure which one it is And the only way I check is I go in the comments and I'm like, oh, this is AI generated. I was like, okay, thank God. Something felt off about this and I wasn't sure if I was just over-judging.

Isn't it terrifying though that you had to ask other people to confirm that? That's what's so scary to me. And like who knows, like all those people in the comments section might also just be like getting it wrong. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It was a genuine, I think this, genuine so many times it's happened now

where I'm like, I think this is a, but it wouldn't surprise me if this was also real. Cause I have no idea everything that Joe Rogan has talked about in his podcast. And I was just like, and I'm just like, this is actually fucking terrifying because it's getting to the point now where I'm having to question whether some out of context clip

is actually AI generated or is actually a real monologue that I'm hearing. I think, I think Philly D said a best where it was like, the AI you hear today is the worst it's ever gonna be. Yeah. Right? Like that's fucking terrifying to think about.

That like it's gotten, we're talking about how good it's gotten over the past like even just year and it's just gonna fucking- Cause you know what terrifies me the most, right? I've had moments where I've heard an out of context clip from trash taste that has obviously been clips by our fans. And I've been like, I don't remember fucking saying this. And the proof is right there.

The proof is in the video of me saying it. So obviously I said it on like a previous trash taste I just blanked it out. You have no idea why. But if I don't remember what I'm saying now with real content, how the fuck am I gonna be like, like, is that an AI issue? Is that just a memory issue?

That is a memory issue and that is an AI issue that I'm calling out now, because there might be an AI like generated voice light of me that I'm like, I don't remember saying that. But shit, am I gaslighting myself? Am I getting gasped it by AI now? I might have been dumb enough to say that. I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility

for me to actually say this. But I don't think I said it. Oh my God, don't do that. Gaslighting us in a fucking hell. Gaslighting us in a fucking 2025. I generated trash days content, man. I heard God said some real racist shit. Here's the context.

I don't remember. No, that's not. There are some things I know I wouldn't say, but if there was like a shitty food take, I'm like, I don't remember saying that. But maybe I did say cup meals are better than that. I couldn't put it past myself to say that. I did say that semen tastes okay.

I don't know. I'd have said that. But yeah, no, it's terrifying. But yeah, I mean, yeah, going back to the Idol thing, did, saw them perform and I was like, I don't get this. And then they ended it off with, I think, one of the most famous, like AKB48 songs.

I think it was a call again, fucking fortune cookie or something like that. Oh, yeah. I don't fucking know. I don't watch this show. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, shit. A little bit of serotonin right now.

Oh no. Honestly, God, like, this is how it starts. I'm, you know, you say that you miss the whole idol train, you're probably better off because I was in Japan when the idol train was kicking off. And it was unfucking avoidable. Like it was goddamn everywhere to the point where my, I tricked myself into liking some songs.

Wait, wait, wait, because that was the only way I could be like, I need this torture to end. I'm just gonna tell, myself that this is a banger. And then after a while I was like, this is unironically a banger. Fuck. Is that how they do it? Could you do that with any song? If you just hear it enough times, you could trick your brain into thinking, you know, I used to hate this, but now it's kind of, it's kind of fire now. Yeah, I don't know. Have you ever been to a night of concert yourself? No. You wouldn't catch me dead in one, but like, like, there's been so many, like, again, like,

Japan loves to do this thing where like if there's a song that's popping off at the moment, they're like, how many stores can we put it in? Oh my God, yeah. Yeah. So the point where it's like you could be walking just down the street in Shinjuku and you could hear the same song coming out

of like four different stores at the same time. And it's just like, and that was like that with AKB when they first came out, like some of their like biggest hits. It was just like, okay, well, fuck. Yeah, because- I can't go outside anymore. I figured out the, reason why, uh, hearing like Fortune Cookie, like fired off some serotonin in my brain,

uh, because I was like, I don't know, something about this feel was homely. And I don't, I don't, I don't know why. And so I look it up, uh, and it's got like fucking 200 million views. Yeah. The BNK 40A has like 200 million views. God damn. God fucking damn. What the hell? Yeah. And I, and I was, and, uh, Sidney told me, oh yeah, uh, they play that all the time in like supermarkets in Thailand. I was like, no way. I would remember this. And she was like, no, no, no.

How have you never, every time we go to like a convenience store on a 7-Eleven in Thailand, they play this. And I was like, did I just get gaslit into liking an idol song? Like, is this? It's just the soundtrack of your life.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, there's subliminal messaging have this much power over me. And I'm like, I guess, I guess I'm just another sheep following, uh, Classic sheep.

Yeah, classic sheep. It's always, it's always the songs that are just like placed in the most discreet ways, right? Right, right? Where it's just like, you don't even notice. You just like, you listen, I've had so many moments where some person has like showed me a song where I've heard a song on like YouTube or something, right?

Yeah. And in the back of my head, I'm like, this is definitely the first time I'm hearing this, but why do I think I've heard this before? And then I realize it's like, oh, it's been, I've heard this song maybe like 50 times, just unknowingly. Yeah, yeah. It's just like, it's, and then everything clicks together and you're just like, oh fuck, that's how they do it.

That's how they get them. That's how they just fucking do this. Do you think that's where deja vu comes on? Come, come to play? Yeah, probably. Like, it's just like, I've experienced this before, maybe in a dream or something. But it feels oddly familiar.

And I don't know if, I don't know if it's got any scientific backing. I'm sure there is. Figured it out. Figured it out. Yeah. Didn't know Thailand was like that, man. Yeah, I'm, I'm finding out new things. I'm finding out new things.

things as well, yeah, I know. But yeah, also, okay, you guys have done the anime cafe with Emily, right? Yes. How did it feel seeing the anime, the demographic of the anime that you had watched in real life? Because I went to the Botchi the Rock Cafe.

And seeing average- I can already see the- Seeing average Bochi the Rock fans was interesting, to say the least. Break it down, what's the demographic guy? So I'm like, Bochi the Rock, Bochi the Rock, right? What can I garner from this fan base?

Probably, probably they're gonna be, I was guessing they're gonna be probably about my age. I was wrong, they were quite a bit older. We go in line, everyone is in business suits. I thought, I thought, I thought that we had, I thought that we were lining up for, a fucking catacawa meeting or something. I'm like, Emily, have you gone to the right place?

We're not gonna do a Geeks Plus meeting, all right? Am I, are we? I know everyone was lining up for this Bocci the Rock Cafe. In like 50s? In like 40s and 50s. That awfully sounds a lot like the K on, never. I wonder why.

I thought there would be a few more girls there. I don't know. And they were only like, aside from Emily, there were only two other girls. there. Baste. Emily posted a tweet of the picture of the food. Put it on screen, Moudan.

It looked fucking vile. Yeah, it was shit. I don't know why. Of course. Did she vomit on that omelet? Like, why does it look like that? I saw that and I'm not the biggest fan of Omu Rice anyway, because I don't like ketchup and they poured ketchup on over it.

But somehow they made it look even more disgusting by just, uh, felt like a unicorn vomited done it. And they were like, that's, that's the dish. That's the dish guys. It's the pink botchy. It's botchy, but it's melted. It's, it's a botchy. Botchy the rock. And of course, that one dish, we liked to eat there, you had to buy a set meal that costed like $40. That included, and that was like one of two food items. That was like the savory food item. I got like there was a chicken curry, which has nothing to do with Botchi the Rock. Just easy to make, yeah, but he had Rio's face on it,

so I'm like, oh, I guess this is botchy themed. Ironically enough, like that pink vomit, Omu Rice was the only real botchy themed dish on there. But I was more interested in just looking around and seeing the kind, it was interesting. Going to a theme cafe and seeing the actual people who watched the same anime you watched, right? Because I was asking Emily,

What was the cafe that had the most female, like, demographic, that had the most female viewers go to that theme cafe? Do you know what it was? Let me guess some kind of like, either, like, BL one or something with like cute boys, right? It was a berserk. What? Berserk, the berserk.

Bays, Japan. The berserk theme cafe, she told me had the, like, had the highest ratio of girls guys in that cafe. God damn. And I'm like kind of based actually, uh, see weaves, this is another reason why she comes to Japan.

If you want to find a wife, go to the berserk cafe. You'll have something in common, what can I say? Yeah, because you ain't finding Andy girls in like the Bocci the Rock Cafe. Or I'm guessing like most cute, because I was surprised that the demographic was like that old, You know, I'm not.

When I went to the, when I went to the, I'm not surprised. When I went to the Nietzschejou Cafe with Emily, that also had quite a few girls there as well, which was also surprising. And I was like, yeah, because I thought there'd be a lot more boys. I don't know, I never really thought about like the Nietzschejo demographic, I guess, because that's kind of like open for everyone.

The one that was hilarious though, was the weathering with you, Cafe. There was no one there, so that describes, so that describes the demographic of that. Well, that describes that demographic. Yeah, that describes that demographic. I'm already surprised about that. It was literally just Archie and I

were just like, oh, all right. Let's just order something, get the fuck out. Oh, God. Yeah, it was sad. Yeah, I still haven't been to a collab cafe that does good food yet. I'll let you guys know. I think the Nietzschejo Cafe for me

was probably the best one. It was a good food, though. Like, the food was decent. What I appreciate about... It's always decent. Yeah, the one I appreciate about the Nietzscheo Cafe is that all the items were actual references to the show, and they did them in really funny ways.

I think, I think when it comes The most themed cafes, the best food I've had is probably the Kirby Cafe. I just wanna go to a place where I get as good food as something, like another good cafe or restaurant. Otherwise I'm like, fuck this then. I'd rather just look at pictures, because what's the fucking point? I think maybe then the Kirby Cafe might be good

because like that's a permanent store. I'm not a fan of Kirby though. I'm kind of, I know you look sad there. I'm like, I don't give a fuck like you. So you're not a fan of happiness, I see. I don't give a fuck, dude. Kirby's boring as fuck. How fucking day.

I gotta agree with that. I gotta agree with him. How fucking dang you. Like, what the fuck does Kirby do other than just eat shit? Which I can relate to. But he's just like, come on man, do something. He's just a cute little fucking pink ball. Like, anytime when I was a kid and I felt really fucking sad or angry or, you know, just had negative emotions, I would just play a Kirby game, depression gone.

I thought a Kirby game as a kid and I was like, why does this shit suck so much? Oh my God. You're just not a game. I played one of the DS games, which one it was. It was just, I was like, God damn, this is like worse than every other platform that I've played. Kirby fans are just the botchy, the rock fans

of the video game industry. They're just like, oh look, cute pink thing doing things. Oh, oh, oh. Fuck, is that how it feels like? Oh, serotonin, oh. Oh. I take Kirby over botchy any other. Like Kirby is a character, I think's ight.

Yeah. Every game. But you're not a Nintendo fan. Yeah, I am. I love Nintendo. What's your favorite Nintendo franchise? Okay, what counts as being a Nintendo fan, right? Because I would say I'm a Nintendo fan,

even though I don't know if I am a Nintendo fan, I like Nintendo stuff. Mario franchise is probably the best one, let's be real. Yeah, but that's anyone that breeds at this point. Yeah, but I mean, it's like, it's the best. Like, when I think about Pocaum, like there's too many misses, I think about other games, like, if someone says like F zero,

I'm like, fuck off. Yeah, you've had really this one, that's the pretentious Nintendo fan of it. Yeah, I'm like, there's two games, you've even played it. If someone tells me like Earth fan, I'm like, are you okay? Hey, I like Earth, but it's your favorite. All right, are you good?

Oh no, it's not my, it's up there, but it's not my favorite. Are you okay? All right, I'm like, understandable. No, Zelda's probably the best. Yeah, Zelda's the best. Okay, let's get keep Nintendo for a second. Let's get keep Nintendo fans. What makes, at which point does someone become

a true Nintendo fan versus just, here's some shit I played as a kid, you know? I think, okay, this is just my definition of it from how I see it, but like I think it's one of those things where it's like, it's been with you all your life and you're still heavily involved in it. Right, right? Because it's like, you know, there's a lot of games

that people, like, you know, a lot of people, especially in our age group, right, grew up playing Nintendo games, right? It was, you were either like team Sony or you were team Nintendo or Team Sega, right? Like that was the three genders. And like, I feel like Nintendo fans, like I classify myself as a Nintendo fan because I never touched any of like the Sony

I never owned a Sony console. Faithful. Yeah, I was faithful. I was faithful. I only had Nintendo consoles growing up. So I was like I played Nintendo games all my life. Nintendo games are still like the main games that I play. Yeah.

To this day as well. So like I'm a Nintendo fan. I like a good game fan. I like good games. Yeah, and that's fine, yeah. Like there's a lot of other games I like as well, but I think at the end of the day, I always go back to play Nintendo games. Like I was always the Nintendo kid.

Like, up to the, you know, I am the Nintendo kid. I am the Nintendo kid. You should put that on your Twitter buyer. Yeah, the Nintendo kid. The Nintendo kid, actually. Everyone was like, are you playing Sonic? And I'm like, oh, like I would ever buy a Sega Mega Drive.

Are you playing Metal Gear Solid? Oh, what is that a PlayStation? Is that available on GameCube? Which are Twin Snakes was actually available on the GameCube. But yeah, up to the GameCube, to the GameCube, I owned nothing and I played nothing but Nintendo games. Whenever someone talks about their nostalgia

with Tony Hawks or some shit like that, I'm like, I don't get that. I went to my cousin and he had Tony Hawk. I didn't have a PS2. Well, they're like giving those away. P.S.2 is like 10 bucks. I did not have P.A. I did not have a PS2. I was like, I had this like, weird, like,

loyalty to Nintendo. I was like, no matter what. I was like, no matter what. know what all the other kids are playing. I refuse to play anything but the GameCube. I then I became a gamer and got an Xbox 360 and then I was like, oh, good games are on other platforms as well. But like, I mean, we had a PS2

and I remember the one thing about it was that like, we should just get so many pirated games and it made it so much cheaper to be able to play on PlayStation 2. Right. Because Nintendo, you know, they were always full price till the GameCube kind of tanked and then they were, okay, maybe we got to these few sales.

But yeah, the PS2 games, you could just get them super easy. I'm pretty sure my dad got like half of them from like the pub. Yeah. He would just go and some guy would just give out CDs. He was doing playstation drug deals at the pub. Yeah, I think there was just a guy who's like, yeah, if you won PS2 games, let me know. He's like, give him a tenor and he just hand over like 50 games.

Yeah. And you're like, oh, okay. Yeah. I think, yeah. Like, look, like, no one has the right to like, like, oh, you're a Nintendo fan, you're not a Nintendo fan. It's like fucking whatever, right? But like, you know, I think there's nothing wrong.

I think there's nothing wrong with like, you know, like in your situation where it's like you grew up playing Nintendo games and then you discovered other games, right? And you're playing that, right? Yeah. But I think, I don't know, somewhere deep inside of me, there's still a part of me that's just like I will always go back

to play a Nintendo game. But I find that really interesting because I feel like Nintendo, like, I totally get where you're coming from, because I feel like Nintendo's the only, let's say, gaming brands that has that kind of brand loyalty to them. Because, you know, back in the day when there was the console war, you would have people like, you know, the Xbox kid,

fucking Sony fans as well. But nowadays, it's just like hardcore, there's hardcore Nintendo fans, and then there are gamers. You know what I mean? Just like there are idol fans and music fans. It's like, no one... It's exactly the same. No one with a PS5 is going like,

oh, I'm a fucking PlayStation fan, man. I bullied Sony. I bullied PlayStation. No one does that. I mean, during like the Wii U era, it felt like Nintendo was kind of a joke. I mean, they were. And everyone was kinda like fucking, Nintendo's a little baby.

Nintendo fell off. They did. They did. They fucking fell off and then the switch kind of- And then they came back with the switch, yeah. So it's, I think the loyalty is, will probably only keep up as long as they keep making good games and consoles.

Oh, of course. Yeah. And they still make great games, but I have no loyalty to their games like I used to, and I feel like some people will play Nintendo games. It should be loyal to a company that doesn't care about you, gone.

Yeah, but like, we've talked about Pokemon before, but, you know, people are fucking loyal to Pokemon, even though comparatively to the other franchises, like Mario and Zelda, I feel like Pokemon games are a lot worse designed and a lot worse games. I've still played every single one. But that's the point. That's the point, right? I'm like, when a new Mario comes out,

when a new Zelda come out, comes out, I'm playing it, cause it's gonna be a banga game. Yeah. When a new Pokemon comes out, I'm like, this is a 50-50 right now about whether this will actually be a good game or not. I mean, you know, in saying that,

I haven't enjoyed every single Pokemon game. There's been some real fucking boring and shit ones as well. A lot of stinkers. Yeah, but like, you know, at the end of the day, whenever there's a new Pokemon game announced, I'm gonna be playing it. Cause I'm just like, I'm like this far in, I might as well fucking see it till the end, right?

Yeah. Like I can't. That's a horrible mentality. Yeah. Well, you know, like I also am just like genuinely curious to see like, okay, you know, I've literally grown up with this franchise my entire life. Like some of my most fondest gaming memories when I was a kid was playing fucking Pokemon golden silver on my Game Boy, right?

Like that shit is like- But how far can nostalgia go? Well, that's the thing, right? And so like, you know, with the newest game, for example, I was like, I saw a lot of merits in it, but I also saw a shit ton of floors in it like everybody else did. And, you know, as much of a Pokemon fan as I am, I can't. to ignore the fact that yeah, the newest game was completely unpolished fucking rushed game.

Right? Like I can't deny that, but I'm still gonna play it because I still see the little enjoyment that there was in that game to see it. I think we had when the game came out, we had this discussion and I remember I was like, do you not, I don't wanna buy those games. I don't wanna be like, hey, let me support this practice of you rushing out of shit.

Right, yeah. And making it seem like it's okay. Because I just don't wanna buy games that I know are gonna be like that are, I know that are rushed, because you're kind of like supporting that almost. And obviously, if that's not how you view it, that's not how you view it and that's totally fine.

I'm not, that's not me being like, you should feel this way. It's like for me, just personally, I don't wanna be like, hey, keep making games this way. I'm like, no, no, no, just take your time. Yeah, make a good game. No, no, I totally get that mentality as well, but unfortunately with Pokemon fans,

that didn't stop. Oh, no, it absolutely doesn't stop. Like Violetta Scarlet is still the most sole Pokemon game ever. Yeah, and I think that that's more of a testament to the Switch being more hands than ever. Yeah, yeah. Like the amount of Switch is sold is insane. It's like almost the most sold console

after the PS2, right? I'm pretty sure. It's up there. I still think if you add up all, yeah, because I think the DS still. If you add up all the DSs, yeah. Yeah, it's a, it's ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it's still a fuck ton of consoles, especially in this modern day where it doesn't, a lot of the times, it doesn't really matter what console you play, because most games are available on most consoles, now anyway, especially if you have a PC. I love PC gaming the most by far still. Yeah.

It's just so easy. It's so easy to PC game. I love it. I mean, I guess if you have a good PC. Yeah. That's the hurdle, isn't it? Yeah. Like, what do you have a good piece?

Like, just like, you know, I also don't give a fuck about building your own people. Some people are like, you have to build your own PC. I'm like, no, don't fucking do that. It's a pain in the ass. But you buy one. Yeah, you pay a little bit extra in the parts. But that's how everything, when you fucking assemble,

it costs by a professional. Like, obviously you have to pay extra. Yeah. And it takes a lot of the stress out of PC gaming. Because once you have it, it's just a PC. We all know how to use a PC. People are like installing games is hard. Come off it. Steam is so goddamn easy.

Yeah. I have way less stress buying games on Steam than I do on the Nintendo E-shop. That shit is like nine layers of security. I gotta enter my PayPal. Do you know how horrible it is to type on the Nintendo Switch as a console? You like, just go-

You have to put your information in every time? Yeah, my PayPal. It makes me put it in every time. I just attach my credit on it. It's like just as fast. They're like, he gets the pass, he gets the past. I get the pass, right? It literally, it's still like,

I bought tears of the kingdom in like 10 seconds. Like Steve is just so easy. It's so great. I love it so much. And then I love that I can tweak the settings. Like, like, if there's motion blur in the game, like off with that right now, take that off. I can change the frame rate if I want.

I'm like, this is great. Like having this customization is fantastic. Yeah. And like, you know, even though I've got a Steam deck recently, which I like and I just, I just wish every, Nintendo game we could play on that, because it's so much better.

Yeah. It's so nice. Yeah, I'd like, for me, I would say that, I don't know, I, now I just want a good game, because I barely have time to play games as it is. I wouldn't say I'm a Nintendo fan, because I definitely, I definitely, I'm just a game fan. I would say I grew out of Nintendo actually.

It's saying that though, you should play Tears of the Kingdom. No, no, no, I will play Tears of the Kingdom. That is a fucking 12-like game, yeah. Like, here's the thing. I don't care if it's made by Nintendo or not. I just care if it's a game. good game. So the last, you know, last games I've played from Nintendo have, you know, been Mario Odyssey. Mario Odyssey. Yeah. It's a great game. Completed that. Yeah. Tears, not

Kier's the Kingdom. The Breath of the Wild completed that. And I know the only reason I haven't started Tears of the Kingdom is because I'm currently trying to touch grass. And, and, uh, when's you're going to start Alden Ring there, huh? When was that when you're doing Alden Ring? I would, I'll do it after I finish Tears of Kingdom. No, you're not. You're not. I'm not trying to you, Joe. I know you're not gonna play it. I don't know, sometimes, do you do, sometimes, I don't know, sometimes it's just a vibe of something.

I like the vibe of the whole Zelda aesthetic and, you know, breath of the breath of the wild is fucking Genshin. Yeah, but, ah, every masterpiece has a cheap coffee. You mean Genshin too, right? Yeah, Genshin too. Genshin was just fucking, like,

exactly like, exactly like, exactly. It just took like so many aspects of it. No wonder you like it. I don't know, I just, I, the one reason I've never completed like a Soulsborn game is to that I just don't really like the. Oh, so your reasons have changed in the past months, huh? Huh?

Your reasons have changed? You went from, I'm definitely gonna play Eldon Ring, I just gotta wait, and now you're like, I doesn't jow with me anymore. I'm like, what happened, God? No, I am gonna play it because- Oh, okay, okay, okay. Like, like, he lied as easily as he breath.

I don't really like the whole dark fantasy setting. And, yeah, yeah, Dark, dark fantasy is just not for me. Wait, you like berserk. That's the thing. The only time I've really get into a dark fantasy show or story or game is when it's actually pretty fucking good. So the product-

Is Alden Ring not good? No, no, no, no. So the product has to be good enough to make me to get over that hump that it is a dark fantasy setting. So I know Eldon Ring fits in that category, which is why I know I'm going to play it. It just like, it just takes that extra bit of push

to be like, oh, you should get into this game because I don't really like dark fantasy stuff. I'm more like a sci-fi kind of like person. What if you streamed it? Because then it'll give you the push that you're making content and you're finally playing that game

you wanted to play. Do I want to do that though? You could go to the Ditis route and stream it for 15 hours. Make content out of it. You know, like Hong Kai and Genshin, I'll just turn your brain off and kind of do whatever.

I would have to like actually be a gamer if I did Deldon Ring, you know. I don't know if I'm prepared for that. What's wrong with that? I don't know if I'm prepared for that, guys. I forgot, he's a Hoyerverse fan. I forgot. True.

I'm a Hoyer versus streamer. There is a difference. Man, they sponsored to you, and then they made such a good investment. They locked you in for life. Just a few lump sum payments. That's how they get you, man. They got him on lock.

God damn. But in other news, we're going to be at AX. We're going to be gone off. But trash taste is gonna have a big ass boot. Yay! We're leveling up. I'm hype for this. Yes, we, we, we, right, Joey?

We, we. I'm part of trash taste. I'm involved. Yeah, Joey is having a family holiday, right? Yeah, I think we talked about it before, but yeah, I'm going to Vietnam, so I unfortunately won't be at AX this year. But these two will be, and we're gonna be having

a massive trash taste booth at the entertainment hall. Yeah, that should be interesting because- Getting a booth at AX is interesting as well. I mean the whole process was like, yeah, it's always just for like giant companies. Yeah, I mean, I saw, we've, so technically, it's already been announced that we're gonna be at AX, but I don't think people know currently

that we're gonna have an actual booth there and it's not like Geeks Plus, it is like us. That's a big boy booth too. It is a big booth. We are competing against, I believe, Hoyover's Hanyplex. And they're competing, you know, they have booths.

Yeah, they were, they were, Some big fucking boys. Yeah. If you go to the AX, Instagram. We're definitely the underdogs in that room. To do Ghibli, Bushi Road, Hulu, Bandai NAMPo, Side Games, YoStar, Bandai, Bandai, normal Bandai.

And then there's pitiful all of us. Yeah, it's us. And the trash taste, eh? We're just chilling. We're just chilling. But yeah, we kind of decided to do something for AX because we go every year. And this year we tried to, we decided

do try something a little bit different and try to actually see you what the booth experience is like because we've seen a lot of other people try to do booths. And we kind of just wanted a little bit of experience to what that was like. Whether we're gonna do more in the future

kind of depends on how well this one plays out because we try to go as big as we could. We didn't like spare any expense with our ideas. We have a giant gacha machine. Yes, yes. Which has a lot of games. You mean giant. It's huge.

It's like 12 foot or bigger than that. It's massive. Yeah. So big that one of us can get inside of it. So if you go to the Hoyover's booth, then you could go to our booth for like the real Gatcha, like the actual Gacha. Hoyaverse fans, Genshin fans.

If you need that Gatcha fix, just come to our booth. Yeah, you can win some of the figures on the set, I think, because we're planning on, like, we were, because the gacha, because the main way that we're funding this booth is by selling limited AX merch, which looks fucking sick by the, I don't know if we can show it, but I mean, if we can. It just maybe.

It looks so fucking sick. But if you buy some merch, you can spin the giant gacha machine. And some of the prices go up to like this fucking thing. You get this bad boy. Yeah, we're getting the- Fate statue. It hurts.

It hurts to give the Fate Statue away, but you can also win the Fate Statue. And I feel like this is gonna be the one that people want the most. We're gonna have Black-Goku or Goku Black, you decide. It's Black. Yeah. It's just fucking, yeah.

I'm just, I'm just hyped, because you know, we always get asked to be at other people's booths, and I guess it was always kind of like a, it'd be like a fun little, I don't know, see what happens. Challenge, yeah. Yeah, because like, you know,

like normally only like giant corporations can do this. And we found out why, because it's ungodly expensive. It's very expensive. So we were like, let's sell much, so we hopefully don't go bankrupt. So if you're at AX, do us a favor. Do the boys a favor and stop on over, check it out, There's obviously a bunch of other stuff as well.

We're gonna have a claw machines as well. We're gonna have a ton of claw machines. Yeah, again, stuff you can only get. And photo op stuff as well. Yeah, we're gonna have a replica of our set as well. Yeah. Where you can sit with the boys. You can finally be a member of trash taste. You can be the fourth member of trash taste.

Is, is Fortnite overrated? Yeah. Yeah, I think we're just fucking hired. I mean, it's been really cool going through the whole process of getting a space, figuring out how to build what in it and how much that costs. Yeah.

It's, it's, it's been eye-opening. And I can see why normally when you need to have a booth in AX, you are a big, massive established company. Because I don't think we're gonna make a profit from this. I don't think so. Yeah, if I'm being honest. Yeah, me and kind of gonna be at that booth, I don't know when, occasionally.

Yeah, we can't announce where. and me and Connor are gonna be at that booth because one of the big problems is we don't wanna cause a fire safety hazard because we will be kicked out. That makes you sound so badass. We're just so popular. I mean, you know, like if people know you're coming and lines are not good, they don't like lines.

Yeah. We'll be there. So just make sure you tell. We'll be there at some time. We can't tell you when we'll be there, but we'll be there. I'll be there in spirit. And Joey will get on a Zoom call with us. I'll get on Zoom call. Yeah. And yeah, we're gonna be filming a bunch of stuff there.

as well, so come check us out at Anime Expo this year. We have an actual booth. I'm hype for that. Yeah, yeah. I'm hype. But that's not the only thing we're doing at A.A.X. Well, not the only thing you're doing at A.X. What else am I doing at AX?

Did you not want to talk about this last week? Oh, yeah, I did. Sorry, that's not an AX though. Yeah, that's, okay, I was like, what? It's nothing to do with AX. Yeah. I should have said L.A. Yeah, yeah, we're doing the charity auction, which I think 100% hopefully should be announced by now.

if it isn't, I'm very worried. Yeah, on June 29th, we're doing a, well, I'm doing a charity event where I've just asked a bunch of YouTubers to bring items to sell for charity. Really excited for it, because this has been like months, months, months, months in production and getting it right

and getting it perfect. You know, and the idea has changed a lot over time. Initially, I was just like, I'll just bring a bunch of my cosplays and we'll auction them off in front of, like, a real crowd. And then it was like, well, you know, it kind of seems like a waste to do all that just for that.

I was gonna do that in my room. Let's get more people involved. And then as I was getting more people involved, I was like, I should just get everyone to bring an item and we'll auction it off or a service. Yeah. So yeah, a service. Well, yeah, like you could be like,

so some people, because they don't have anything like physical, they can give away, they're just like, oh, like you can have an hour with me teaching you something or an hour. Oh, okay, that's cool. You know, because then that way, there's different ways people can get value. Yeah.

You know, and there's some, some of those that I think, I don't know, I don't know what I will and won't announce before, because I kind of wanna get, like, I wanna keep some things a secret, but something's are really cool and I want people to know it's gonna happen before. But I, you know, and luckily,

pretty much everyone asked said yes. So we've got a ton of really big creators and a ton of really cool items that I'm super hyped to show off. Oh yeah. Some really, really expensive. and some absolutely dog shit stuff, which I think will make it funny.

Yeah. And yeah, we're gonna have like a whole real crowd and people can buy tickets that are very, very expensive. But then the ticket will, I can't remember what exactly what it was. Basically, it'll be a donation to charity. Right, yeah. So I'm very excited for that. Is there anything you want to reveal before

or do you wanna keep it all the secret? Just trying to think what I should reveal and what I shouldn't keep secrets. Right now I haven't said anything. Well, I mean, it's happening in LA. Yes. Oh yeah, it's happening in LA, but like, You know, the tickets are like,

there's only like 20 tickets. Right. So watch online. It'll be, it'll be fun. Should be able to watch it in every time zone, hopefully. I'm excited for it. It's gonna be fun. We have like an actual auction house.

Nice. And we have- Do you have like a proper auctioneer guy as well? No, I'm gonna be the auctioning. Oh, you're gonna be the auctioneer. So I'm gonna be the host, gonna be auctioneering. So I expect you to do like, oh, we got a 10-0-0-0-20-0-0-0-0-20-l-l-l-l-.

You just might not understand what I'm saying. It's cool because they're like, people can bid in person and at home. Right. So it'll be interesting to see how quickly it might go up with people bidding online. Yeah, right. Versus in person. So very excited for it. It should be a fun little mix that I don't think anyone's dunderful because it's kind of weird and ambitious.

Yeah. And, you know, the whole thing came about because I was like, hey, I was talking a lot of way. I was like, I'd really like to do this thing. And do you reckon you've got, you guys, like, off brand would be interested, which is the company that he's a part of. Right. And yeah, they were super down for it and managed to find a good production company in LA. So very hype for it.

Should be like my most well produced stream of all time. Nice, nice. Let's hope that people turn up and watch. Yeah, I'm so hype for it. Go check it out. We've also donated items. Yeah, yeah. Gotta be there in person as well. I'll be there in person.

I'll be there in spirit. Joe, he'll be there in spirit from Vietnam again. Yeah, a lot of people will be, if they're not, like a lot of creators that can't make it who are still interested, will still be there in some way, so don't worry. But yeah, I think it's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm super excited for it.

Yeah, it's been a fuck ton of work. Nice, yeah. Yeah, every day I see kind of messaging, like different people being like, oh, what I tell you you doing? Yeah, I've never messaged many people for a project ever because I just, I always just felt kind of weird asking people for stuff. I know you've done this before. And I was just like, God, this is so annoying

having to chase after everyone. Yeah, it's like hurting cats, isn't it? Yeah, well yeah, I mean, it's like, you know, and I understand, because you're asking for someone to give their time or something. Yeah, of course, right? So it's, you know, I don't like asking people for stuff a lot. And so it was kind of like, I was like,

all right, here we go, gotta contact literally everyone I've ever met who is a significant creator to kind of get an item and get them involved in somewhere. But I'm really happy so far with the people we have on board. So really, really interesting items as well. Oh, yeah. Nice. Good end bed items.

Yeah. So excited. I can't, I couldn't imagine trying to keep track of that many people and saw out something like that. Physically then getting the stuff or getting the turn up is kind of a lot of work. But I mean, it should be fun. I'm bad enough, okay, I'm up,

I guess changing topic now unless there's something I should wanna say. No, no, no, that's, I mean, just, I'm just hype for it. Keep your eye out on it. Keep your eye out. I'll probably talk more about it when, I don't know, when they're coming up to it

or when, I don't know, when it's done. I have no idea. Just turn up, come watch, 29th of June. Excited. Yeah, I'm mad at it. enough keeping up with messaging people who like owe me money, you know, for like a group event. I fucking despise it, man. The, I feel like I'm the type of guy who, if it's just like a small amount of money, I'm just like, fuck it, whatever. Let's just forget about it. I don't think

anyone likes being the repo, man, you know? Like, oh, by the way, I'm here to take your shit, you know, like, no one likes them. That's why I'm the guy who's just like, if I can pay a debt, I hate being in debt, right? Because I know, I know the pain of the person who is waiting, not even like, even if they're not waiting for money, you know, the fact that they have to go out their way to like message me to be like, you need to pay your money because I know,

I know I'm gonna forget. I know I'm gonna fucking forget, man. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Oh, I'm also doing a panel with Iron Mouse. I forgot about that of some time at AX. So that'll be fun. Oh yeah.

I think that'll be streamed as well. We don't have our full AX schedule right now. I'm sure I'm gonna have some events. Just check out on Twitter. Yeah, just check out, just check out on Twitter. That's pretty where it will be talent. Well, actually, we'll actually update it for once, you know. I'm excited.

I like going to anime experts. It's always crazy. I mean, you just see the most insane cosplayers. Yeah. It's just very busy. I can't wait to see the amount of Honkai cosplays this year. I'm calling it now. It's going to be one in two.

Like Hoy of us have just taken over cosplays, right? Last year, like last year, I was surprised. Not really surprised. Actually, kind of surprised. because I knew Genshin was big. I was not surprised. I knew Genshin was big. I didn't know, I didn't like,

a year is like quite a long time in my mind, right? Because that was, was it last year, last year was the first time that we had gone to conventions again after like COVID and everything. And I knew Genshin was big, and it was then that I realized how big Genshin was, you know. And with how big Hongka, I think, how big Hongkai I think is gonna be.

That's just gonna like, they've just monopolized pretty much every cosplayer. I mean, it's because all their characters are just so cosplayable. I know, right? It's like these character designs are built for cosplay, you know? The amount of cosplayers and artists

that don't even play the games, but like, yeah, I just do it because I like the character designs. Yeah. Yeah, do you remember like previous cosplays or previous conventions where there would always be like that one character at every convention? Every year there was always like a hot,

It was like, it was Kirita and Ashtonah. Oh, yeah, that was way longer. Yeah. For me, okay. For me, the one character I never understood, because I didn't realize it was this popular, was Junko Inashima from Dangan Rompah. There was so many, and I did not understand why,

because I didn't, my friendship group, like, we had one person that played Dangan Rompah, and they hardly talked about it. So I was surprised that this one particular character character was just this popular in pretty much every anime convention I went to that year. Yeah, what?

And it's only Junco. Yeah, it was only. No other Dungan Rompah characters. No other Dunkin Rompah characters is just Junco Enoshima. Yeah. Yeah. Why is that?

I don't know. Another one I always see so much of, even to this day, is fucking Yumeko from Kakeguri. Oh yeah. You see that still to this day, so many Kakeguri cosplays. And I'm like,

I think when the cosplay is easy, you know, like, yeah, you know, that's an anime that is kind of easy to cost. Pretty easy, yeah. You get a little, a normal school-esque outfit, throw on a wig. Yeah, yeah, true, true, true. I think it's like a- But Junco is not easy. Yeah, Junco was not easy.

But I mean, I guess it's easy to wear as well. I guess. It's kind of more, the closer it is to normal attire, the easier it is to do. I'm starting to see a pattern here. Okay, so Junco, Yumeko, Yuma, Uh, Unogasai from, it's all the insane characters.

Fuck! But also, it's also kinda easy to cosplay. Himiko Toga from Mahira Academia as well. Fuck, oh my God, what is it with, what is it with the insane girls and cosplays, man? Holy shit. Toga cosplay is pretty good though, because you gotta do a lot of work, gotta get the thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All the cosplayers I've seen of all these characters are fucking sick, like they look so good. Like, I could never do that shit, obviously, but like, yeah, it's all the insane characters. Why is it the insane? All the insane characters. Because they're like, they're just like me for real.

Oh my God. Yeah, I can fix her. I can fix her because she's like me. I don't know. Yeah. It'll be old chainsel man this year. Oh yeah, fuck. I wonder how many Markima and Power.

Because Machima and Power is easy, so we'll see a lot of it. Sure. There were quite a few archie cosplayers already, like from the few conventions we went and stuff. Yeah, I thought Chainsloman was already pretty popular when I... Well, did you see the, um, um, the mapper thing from the, I don't know, I don't know which guy it was.

He was just like, yeah, Chainsaw Man didn't do as well as we kind of thought it would do. Jiu-Cuyzen did way better. Yeah, it was actually a commercial flaw. Yeah, yeah, like, they, I saw in an article, like, they made close to no money off of Chainslaw Man.

Yeah, I think, they broke even. I think they broke even. I think the article headline that at least I saw, again, this is me reading article headlines in the article, it's like, Chainsaw Man was a success, but didn't have the same impact that Jiu-Zu Kaysen did for the company.

Yeah. Like for Mapper. I don't get it. I don't get it. I was thinking and I was like, yeah, you know, the chainsaw man kind of came and everyone was like, yo, and at least in Japan, this is not online in the Western sphere. This is Japan, I was like, yo, chainsaw man,

three months and it was like, okay. And then, but like whereas Jiu-Cuyahisan, it felt like it just wouldn't leave. Yeah. But Jiu-Sukaisen just felt like it was, and then the movie came out and that was huge. Yeah, the movie was a huge.

huge commercial success. It just felt like Jujutsu Kaysen hype did not die in Japan. And then I guess when I heard that, I was like, yeah, that does kind of make sense when I think about how it was being in Japan only. Nothing to do with online discourse or anything like that. Just being in Japan, Jiu-Zikaisen was fucking everywhere. I think what Jiu-Sikaisen did really well

was that they kind of had this like constant stream of new content happening as well. Because it was like the first season happened and then not too long after that, there was like the movie and in between that, there was lots of promoting. emotional stuff and now like, you know, second season and all that kind of stuff.

Whereas Chainsaw Man, it was kind of just like, here's 12 episodes and nothing so far. Yeah. Right. Here's the weird thing though. When did people start getting hyped over Jujsukaison? Because it- Like right away. Really? Because it felt, did you start watching it right away? Because it felt like when I first started watching,

like, let's say the first arc of Judisikyikycin, I was like, oh, this is a hyped up new Shonen that everyone talked about, let's see what it's about. And I'm like, oh, it's good, it's good. And like not many, I didn't really see much discussion or talk about it. And it just felt like overnight, everyone was watching it. And I was like, when did what happened or when did this happen?

At which stage did everyone start watching Jujitsu Kaysen? Because, you know, at least it was the moment when Gojo came out. Oh, shit. Oh, no, you know what it was? It was the fucking ice scene. Oh, my God. That ice scene was clipped and uploaded every, Holy shit, you're so right.

I also think, like, when I watch Chainsaw Man, I thought it honestly, when you compare them both, you're like, Chainsaw Man is maybe a little too much, like in terms of like, like, you know, when you're thinking about a general audience. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's very sexual, very, very sexual. It's very weird.

It's very weird. The gore is fucking intense, which makes fit for all things that I love and I really fucking dig it, but I could see how on like a general scale, how something like Jutsu Kaysen would be way easier to market with. Yeah. Yeah. You know, when you have these characters.

And yeah, it's about killing fucking, you know, there's not guns and there's not humans being killed. A lot of the times, it's mainly these spirits. And yeah, some of the cast, you know, maybe some of them get hurt and stuff. But you know what I mean? Like it's, when you sit down and look at it from like a business perspective, it would make way,

it does make more, more sense. Yeah. That in Japan as a whole, that something like Jiu Jiuzen would pop off more, even though Chainsoneman was marketed towards like teenagers here in Japan. I mean, I feel that's, I feel that's like a reason why, like, Deon Slayer, for example, was so huge.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I think on a broader scale of things, it's so much more aspects to that show that are just so much easily marketable to as wide of an audience as possible. Whereas Chainsaw Man, I feel a lot of the hype that was created around Chainsaw Man was, it was two part, it was the fans of the manga

of Chainsaw Man, and the fact that Mappers name was attached. It definitely felt, yeah, definitely felt that the Western hype for it was so much more intense than what I saw in Japan. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I also feel like it's, you know, I also feel like Chainsville Man only being 12 episodes kind of hurt it a lot as well.

Yeah. Like I feel like that was the biggest factor because I'm kind of kind of realizing now, especially with long-running Battle Shonen, you need more than 12 episodes to sell a Shonen show. I mean, Demon Slayer, now one of the highest grossing anime franchises of all time. Before episode 18, I remember no one really fucking

watched Demon Slayer. Then suddenly everyone was watching Demon Slayer because of like one banga moment in episode 18. And I remember for that moment, I was like, oh, I remember I literally made a video about Demon Slayer being like, oh, I don't think many people are watching this when it first came out and then it just blew up overnight.

And I feel like something similar happened with Jiu Kaysen as well, where it kind of- The Gojo-Jew-I scene, bro. The Go-Ju-Ju-I-Seed. Did he only have 12 episodes though, right? No, do they have 24? Sorry? J-Jikaisen, I only had 12 episodes, though, right?

No, I had 24. At 24. Oh, that's pretty why it felt so fucking good to watch. I mean, like, Vinland's saga now, I'm watching it weekly and I'm like, I already know what's gonna happen, but I love, I fucking love that we have, like, I can get my teeth in it, you know what I mean?

24 episodes, I'm like, all right, buckle up, all right. It feels like my, watching it weekly, the investment is worth more. Yeah, yeah. And I wonder if it's gonna swing around. Yeah, because I feel like with Chainsaw Man, it's like the 12 episodes barely got me invested into. Oh, they didn't even get to like the,

meat of the story yet, right? Yeah, yeah. It does kind of suck because you know, and they're like, all right, wait three years now. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Because it's like, if I compare the first 12 episodes of Jiu-Jus Kaysen, we're going to start a war right now, by the way. If I compare the first 12 episodes of Jansaw Man, I would say I'm more for Chainsaw Man, but now that the final product is there, there were more bang-a-moments than J-Gizu-Cycin because it had 24 episodes and had some really, really good fucking fights in the second half, which is, my favorite part of the first season of Jujica-Kison. Yeah, Jujsikaisen's fights went hard.

Yeah, and I don't even feel like Jujsikaisen has even come closer reaching his peak, which is why it's, it's good, they're both good, but they're both shows, they're both shown in shows that, in my eyes, have not come close to reaching their full potential yet. Is Jiu-Sikaisen season two, 24 episodes as well? Yes, it has just been confirmed to be 24 episodes. They're cooking.

I mean, they'd be doing a disservice if they only gave you 12 episodes. I'd rather wait, yeah, I'd rather wait, like, three years and get 24 episodes, then wait one year and get 12 episodes. Because I don't know what it is, something about like, yeah, you often can't reach a good climax in 12 episodes

without it feeling rushed for like this kind of shonen. Yeah, I mean, I feel that's why like the latest seasons of like Attack on Titan struggled a lot, right? Because it's like we were only given like- Yeah, we get-drift- Like-Drift-off-off. Of like 12 episodes where it would have just been much better if we just gave us a huge chunk of 24 episodes

to actually invest ourselves in. And now like the hype for it is like kind of slowly dwindling away because it's like, oh fuck, we have to wait again for the continuation. Yeah. Yeah. I'm kind of starting to realize how unimpactful 12 episodes is because there's a lot, there's so many 12 episodes anime that I like. But now when I think about the anime I'm excited about, it's every,

it's all of them that have like multiple seasons. Yeah. They have a longer ongoing story than just 12 episodes. I'm trying to, I'm trying to think of like. Just imagine if one percent of the power that One Piece animation had was put into other shit. We'd get so many episodes.

We'd get so many episodes, dude. I don't know. Yeah, I definitely again, like watching Vinland Saga really has made me appreciate that, like, I mean, Map is animating that. The fact they were given so much time to let that story breathe. And, you know, because I think there could have been

an argument where a lot of fans would be like the fucking farmark is boring, yada, yada, yada. It's not, I'm saying, like this is what like maybe people would say because a lot of people were worried that anime watches wouldn't like the new season of Inland songs. They're like, what the fuck? Why is nothing happening? Yeah.

But I think it really, really helps sell that story in particular and helps get the message across by just having this kind of slow progress and letting you go through it in a way that isn't rushed. Because I do think there could have been a world where it could have been rushed and it could have been glossed over 12 episodes. Yeah, for sure. It wouldn't have been good, but I think it could have been done. Well, I think the problem is right now

that there is so much anime being made and most of them are- You have to do in 12 episodes, right? And most of them are 12 episodes, right? So even if you have a bang of 12 episodes just by having 24 episodes, it will stick out more in people's minds because they've consumed more of it compared to like other shows.

And I'm looking at a lot of these like 12 episode shows that I've watched and a lot of them, I know, like I think the last one that had like a massive impact was probably like Bochi the Rock, you know, but that's because it was like something new, you know. I can't really, I can't really think of a lot of 12 episode shows that sticking people's mind years after they air, you know.

Whereas I think now like the meta is having, you know, having longer running series run over multiple seasons. Yeah, and also releasing them in a way that it makes sense. Like I mean, again, we spoke about this on a number prior podcast, but you know, Jojo hype was killed by how it was released on Netflix. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think if it was, if that was just, they were like, hold up,

let's just wait an extra year and a half or two years and let's just drop it all in one go. It would have done better. Or I think even better yet, I kind of prefer just the weekly model as the older I've gotten. I don't know why. No, the more I can't. The more I kind of like the weekly model a lot. I'm like, yeah, I like this. I can get invested over a course of a long period of time, which I've won. I fucked, I fucked myself over with Orchino Coen Hell's Paradise, and I hate it. I hate waiting a week for an episode. You hate that? I like that.

I'm like, I just want to watch the next episode. And I think one of the things I like most about that is that the show can come out and I can reflect on my life as the show is coming out. What the fuck does I mean? Because sometimes it's like a 50 episode series, right? Yeah. And it's, I can be like, damn, I've been watching this for a whole year.

and I can think about how I've had this whole thing to look forward to, and I can think back to like where, you know, where I was when I was watchdog. But I really like that. I don't know why, like being a part of something for that long, it was kind of nice. You know, whereas when you binge it,

I don't feel the same way. That's all One Piece fans. But I genuinely think like One Piece fans, they must get, like, there's, because, you know, I mean, obviously I'm still reading it, but I'm not reading it, like, weekly, but it must be kind of cool to follow something, like, One Piece fans

who've been following it for, like, plus she is. It must be pretty fucking cool to follow One Piece and have it kind of follow your life. Life, yeah, that's, you grow up with it. Like that's kind of sick. I mean, as is that One Piece fan and you know, also as someone who's had

some franchises that's happened to me before, I think the biggest one that sticks out my mind is Ava. You know, Ava wasn't exactly a weekly show. It wasn't exactly a weekly way to get the next piece of Ava, but I waited, we were Ava fans, We waited and, you know, seeing it come to an end

after a fucking 25- Yeah, and then you couldn't imagine how you were when you first watched the second one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And you look back in like, oh, that's kind of cool. But, you know, I don't, I don't, I feel like a year is not enough time for me to be like, emotionally invested enough

to be like, oh, I watched this for 50 weeks. I think it's important to self-reflect on the past year. Because like for me, my biggest thing I look for whenever I watch anything, doesn't even matter. if it's anime, it's just to get like immersed in the story, right? Of course. That's why I kind of, I'm fine with watching US TV shows

a lot on time weekly because they're like an hour long. 20 minutes is barely enough time. It's not enough, yeah. Yeah, it's barely enough time for me to like properly get immersed in a story. Which is why I love it then, because I feel super good that when I, maybe one way I was super busy and I couldn't watch the show. And then you have two episodes to watch.

You're like, oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Grab the popcorn, get a drink. 40 minutes. minutes? Yeah. I think someone else must be relating to this. It's so, it's just treat when you get- No, no, I get the sentiment.

Yeah, it's so nice, Steve. I've just never done it myself. I don't know, I, I, I, I, I'm sure Jizekhisen will be like that for me, because I'm gonna try my goddamn hardest to not watch for the first few weeks so that I can, because you know, a lot of anime suffer from the first few episodes

being kind of- worse, man, shonen's even worse. Well, it's like my personal rule with demon slayer from like the past, like, from the, second arc onwards, I was like, I'm not watching a goddamn episode till episode eight is out. Yeah.

Because it's, it's usually get blue-balled till episode eight. Yeah. Like nothing happens most of the time, except the sword arc, I did that rule, and then like two episodes in, stuff started happening. I was like, oh, okay, that's good. I just wait till the whole season's over, so I can just binge it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I need at least like five, five episodes. I watch like five episodes. Because that's how I get properly hooked. Yeah. Yeah. And then I can be like, now, I'm ready to the white weekly.

I know it's worth it. No, with Shonen, it's, okay, there are some series I can maybe like bend the rules and watch weekly. Shonen is nigh on impossible because the amount of times I've tried this before where I've watched it, it's the first episode of the fight. You are just getting invested and you're like, damn, shit's about to pop off.

Episode ends. So you wait a week. You're like, I've forgotten what's happened. Oh yeah, they're in a fight. Okay, let's, let's, it's about to pop off And then there's always like the three stage act in the fight where at first it looks like, you know, things are going well

or maybe the, maybe this time the protagonist is losing. And you're in my mind, I'm just like, okay, I'm waiting for the episode where the protagonist turns it around. And it's not that episode, it's the next episode. So I gotta invest myself again, wait a week, and then in a single fight last three fucking weeks, I'm like, I didn't even, I- Third part is a protagonist makes a realization about themselves

and uses that knowledge to fight and win. And I'm like, shit, this is enough, this is enough time for me to use my brain. You know, I'm like, I know what's gonna happen. And you know, it's not enough time to like reinvest back into that fight to really see the hype moment where the protagonist turns it around or that hype moment happens in the fight.

You know, especially with Shonen, there needs to be like a natural progression in the fight. But Bochi the Rock. Bocci the Rock is like, yeah, I could watch that weekly. I'm just like, yeah, turn my brain off. Because nothing fucking happens, that's why. Bochi scare, oh, she just like me for real, okay, that's enough. Yeah, it's, yeah, they're definitely not shonen,

but that's why I kind of, I like the Netflix model, even though I would still like them to release weekly just because I would, you know, I have patience. I can wait until this. I have paid, I can wait. Yeah, yeah, I can wait. We get bigger hype for series. And the problem is that I don't know what hype translates to for like profits.

Like, does hype help at all? Like, probably, right? Because you can probably sell more merch or more DVDs. I mean, it didn't help Chainslow Man. Yeah, well, I wonder how Chainsloman released in Japan. I don't know if it was on TV, what time slot it was on. Because Japan sometimes fucking fucks anime over and they stick out. Yeah, I think Chainsloman, though, was on like most streaming sites from what I remember in Japan.

as well. So I think they did a decent job than like compared to like some of the older shows. But I can easily see a world where chainsaw man struggle to find a solid demographic that really- Yeah, because it's fucking weird. Because it's just, it kind of touches a lot of,

I guess kind of different niches that would appeal to different kinds of people but none of them are all like like, like you said, you know the 50 year olds are gonna show up. You know what I mean? Like chainsaw man, who do you, who you, 100% targeting here. Because it's like edgy teenagers, sure.

Just, young adults, probably. 40 year old man, probably it's a little too weird for them. Like you know what I mean? Like it's such an odd, it's an odd show that appeals to, I think just hardcore anime and manga fans. Yeah, which is great, because it's, it's in a fucking amazing show. And I don't think anyone would argue it's not.

But I think I can 100% believe that it probably had a hard time just selling itself to a demographic in a way that would meaningfully make money. But there are some franchises, like, okay, the biggest one that has never made sense to me, right? It's Evangelion. Yeah. I'm just like, why this?

Because if you look at the history of like anime franchising in Japan, Ava was one of like the first that had such like a massive hit all around. I mean, we had like, obviously like mecca before like, Gundam and everything like that, but Ava was just everything. Everything about this was seen everywhere in Japan. It was a cultural phenomenon. And I'm like, the time it came out

and the type of show it was. I think if Ava came out today, it probably wouldn't be. Yeah, but you look at Ava and I'm like, this doesn't look like a marketable show. You look at, you look at what's happening on screen and you're just, no one's looking at being like. I think it's more marketable than chainsaw man. You think so?

I think so, because, okay, first of all of all, mecks, mex are great for money. Number one, because you can sell the mex, they're iconic. Number two, I think the main character, I think Shinji is way easier

of a sell than Denji. Hell nah, hell nah. Because, I'm gonna disagree with you there. Because, as we've learned from Bochi the Rock, socially anxious characters that are depressed, fucking resonate. They do well. Denji is too happy, go lucky.

No, no. And he's too horny. Because you don't want to, you don't want to identify with it. Okay, look, look, look. You don't want to be that horny. Look, you need to go with, you know, the reason Denji works. Denji's the best mate.

Denji's not the guy you want to be. Denji's the guy you want to have as your mate. No, Denji, I feel, resonates more with today's audience than, uh, Denji is the guy that everyone wishes they could be, but they're too scared to admit. Yeah, because that's, okay, you look at, you look at someone like, uh,

Mitteria, right? Good, good kid follows the rules. Oh, I just wanna be a good boy. Nobody fucking thinks like that anymore, you know. Bitch boy. Yeah, fucking like you look at fucking teen. We're fucking grown ass adults, Carl. That's why we don't give a fuck.

You fucking look at the, you fucking look at like teenagers now and they're like, yeah, I'm a fucking Denji. What do I give a shit about? I don't know. I actually don't know. I just wanna touch some tits. That's all like. I just wanna touch some titch. Denji definitely would subscribe to an only fans

if he had fucking income, okay? Look, Denji, I'm trying to make an argument for some shit I made up for a show I don't like. Listen, I think that Shinji being a little bitch boy probably helped a lot. There was, they had sex in Eva, I think, right? There was calm on the hands or something like that. Someone had sex, but it wasn't Shinji.

It wasn't Shinji. Oh, wait, I know this is the memes only. It's like, yes, I had to have that 30 second sex scene where I show everything. Shinji like fell on top of a naked ray and still got no pussy. Like he's got no hope, bro. Yeah, but like I came out, wait, wait,

where did they get, 90s? 1995. 95. What a horny year that was. I can see why it worked. I can see. I think maybe Ava might have like kind of banked off of the whole like 90s OVA era of just like,

I think anime fans in general were just looking for more weirder, out there unique shit. Again, I don't think Ava would be like Ava would not work today. Yeah. No way. Yeah, I think it just came out at the perfect time and it was that one show that was like, it's just.

Also, banger opening. Yeah, of course, yeah. Of course. It is the weird national. But like, I think Ava was one of those shows where like, it came off a time where people were looking for something that was like weird and unique, but still not so weird that it alienated its entire fan base.

And I feel like Ava was just like kind of right on the cusp of that. Maybe. Yeah, also, I think, I think, I think in terms of a, you know, from the Japan perspective, you know, the struggle of being a teenager who's being told what to do and you're kind of struggling with that. That's a very, I mean, obviously that's a very universal concept,

but I think very much so in Japan, where it's like, I'm a teenager and I'm struggling with my identity here. I don't know where out where my place is in the world and all the adults are telling me to do all this stuff. So I think that's also a massive reason why I was successful. And again, it was horny and had robots.

I think as well, Ava just like really grew from just like word of mouth. Probably, yeah. I don't know, this is all speculation I've made based off only watching one season and fucking... Yeah, because like, I feel like not only was Ava like so, like, I think the people who really liked it, it started off kind of small-ish and then it kind of grew from just a word of mouth because anime was just getting more, I guess, normal to watch in the late 90s and early 2000s.

And then not to mention like the countless number of like people in the industry who like directly, you know, looked at Ava and was like, that was a huge influence or like, you know, that we took a lot out of Ava and it's like, I think it's just like the combination of the influential factor in the industry and just the fact that it just came out at the perfect time. And it's just like everything just came together with a bangor opening on top of that, a cherry on top.

There you go, you know, that Ava. Because I think the big difference between something like, say, Chainsaw Man and Ava is that I think they just have different demographics, like period. I think Ava has, I think the topics explored in Ava probably resonated with a lot of the older working like a generation in Japan at the time where there was a lot of this societal pressure once you grew out, once you, you know, graduated from high school and everything. And that kind

of like story really resonated with the whole generational people in Japan. And I think that's one of the big reasons why it became the massive hit that it did. And then 30 years later, they became Bocci fans. Actually, actually. You know, those 50-year-olds in business suits, they were once in the 20s, Ava fans. I would argue that I think Ava fans and Bochi fans have more in common than Bocci fans

and Chainsaw Man fans. Sorry, then I'm more likely to have something in common than Bochie fans and Chainsomerang fans. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I truly believe that Chainsaw Managed hasn't found And it's a diehard audience yet that it appeals to. I mean, I think they exist,

but it's only in the manga form right now. Yeah, maybe, I mean, I don't know. I also think it's harder to sell merch for chainsel man. Yeah, it's just a little. Either you can do anything, Aver. That's right. I mean, a change some man is just a little bit edgier.

It's a little bit. It's a little bit too weird, I think, for the regular. Yeah, yeah. And Judi-Cy-Cycin, I feel is that perfect middle ground from, you know, There's, let's say, My Hero Academia, the kind of like the poster child of, like, safe,

kind of like, here's, like, a safe show. It's got a very similar vibe to like Gantz, almost, like very horny, very gory. Oh, yeah, yeah. I thought you see my hero academia. Yeah, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, no, no, fuck, no, fuck. You remember when Dek who fucks in episode one?

Just like Gantz. But like, I think Gantz came out at a time where edginess was very much in demand. I think edginess is not as in as it used to be. I think people are kinda over it. Oh, again, because like all these shows banked off of the fucking edgiest period of anime, which is the 90s OVA period.

I don't know, those were some of the edgiest fucking shows ever made. I feel like there will always be a space for edginess. No, they will be. Maybe it would be mainstream. But it's not as in the forefront, as it used to be. Yeah, I think it goes in and out of being in the mainstream popularity.

But they'll always be a demand of edgy shows, in terms of like, peak popularity. Because like, I'm waiting for, I'm not sure if this already exists, but whatever this generation's Mirai Niki will be. Because every, every, okay, hear me out, hear me out. Every generation, every generation has a shit show

that for some reason, when you were a fucking teenage kid, my hero, slapped so hard, all right? For me, it was like, for me, like, the progression goes, Elfin Leeds. Yep. Miri Nikki. Yeah. Ahkama kill.

Oh God. Right? And I'm like, what is, what is this generation is gonna be? I pray to God it's not Chase someone. I'm praying. No, because change the man is good. Praise to God.

Oh, like that. Or are we just saying that like we used to say with Mirai Nikki, God. We all thought Mirai Nikki was a good show when it came out. I've grown up for gay show. I know. I thought Elfin Lee was a banger show

when I thought he was. I thought, oh my God. They had so much go. Like, do you remember the phase where, You're like, guys, adults, guys, anime actually for adults, and it would always be the first 10 minutes

of Elphinly to be like, the thumbnail was always Elfinly. Yeah, the thumbnail was always Elfinly to be like, yo, people got killed and it's bloody, this violent, yo, this shit slaps. Oh my God. Yeah.

Let's hope it doesn't happen. Oh, I'm praying. Yeah, chainsome man is not in that same category because it is actually good. It's actually a good show. It's actually a really good show. It's actually a really good. Yeah, like I said, I think we just

I just think it's like a lot too cool. Yeah. Yeah. Too edgy to right now for it to crush mainstream. Yeah, yeah. I hope it does though. I hope it does. I haven't read further on the manga,

apparently it just gets better. Oh my God, second half is juicy. I don't know if this is a controversial take. Don't fucking animate a new intro or outro every time. Just give me fucking more episodes. Yeah, I'm gonna be real. I would much prefer more episodes. I kind of feel like they did that.

That was overkill. Yeah, it was overkill. It was awesome. Yeah. It was too much. Yeah. Because here's the thing, right? Attack on Titan, obviously gory, obviously edgy, right? But do you feel like that was successful

because it just never kind of like tried to be a shonen or try to market itself as a young audience? And it went, here's a mature kind of like story right from the get go. Yeah, maybe perhaps. Yeah. It's hard to say because Attacko Titan's success is a really weird one. It's a bit of an anomaly, yeah.

And it's, yeah, but I think no one would say say isn't deserved. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, even Japan, it's still huge. Time Titan is fucking massive. Yeah. And it's kind of in its own bubble in that right, where like no other show is kind of like it

or done as well as it in Japan. It's just very weird. It's very odd. I feel like that's just because that's, I mean, marketability aside, if you have a good story like a Takun Titan, then at the end of the day, you're going to get fans and people are going to try

and find a way to sell it. It's also, like, the Titans are pretty fucking iconic. Yeah. Even if you don't know a Titan, you've seen a Titan. Yeah. And you're like, well, not in real life, obviously. Well, you might have seen one. Like, you know what I mean?

They're so easy to spread. And I don't know. I feel like it's, yeah, it's so bizarre. It's such an interesting case of how it's done so well. It has such like noticeable, like imagery and like recognizable imagery that no other show looked like or will probably ever look like. Right. So that definitely helped.

Whereas like, you know, as vividly, As vivid, like visually, Chainsaw Man was, like, you know, it's not exactly the most, like, outlandish, like, unique visuals when it comes to, like, character designs or anything like that, right? So I think maybe that might be another aspect where it's, like, it's not as instantly recognizable. I feel like maybe Chainslaw Man just hasn't had enough time. Yeah, I need more time.

I feel like it needs to cook just a little bit longer. Let them cook. I'm fucking hoping that the next season, when it comes out, whenever the fuck it comes out, that it really does fucking crush. I'm just saying as someone who's right ahead, the second half of chainsaw man is fucking wild. Like, yeah.

I just want them to be financially fucking, I want them to print money. Yeah. Just so we get more. Yeah. Sure, true. All right, well, that's our, you know, a monthly anime tour.

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