Trash Taste Podcast - WE GOT DRUNK WITH OUR OWN BEER | Trash Taste #203

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

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Hey, welcome back to another episode of the Trash Taste Podcast. I'm Joey and I'm with Connor and Gant. As always, we're still in Australia in case you missed the last episode. I can't believe you took on the hosting thing twice and a row. I was about to start talking. We have a system, Joey. Let me. You're not the host.

You'll never be the host. Unless it's for another episode or two. But anyway, we're still in Australia. And we thought with our second recording, we should drink some beers. Wait, but this isn't just any beer, right? No, this trash taste beer. So I'm saying, that's what I'm saying.

Hell yeah, look at them. Look at those beautiful cans right there. Wait, wait, wait. Are they even on this screen? Can we see them? Are they on the screen? We should probably should have on the wide, 100%. Well, hopefully they're in better view now.

We were just checking some stuff off camera, but do you guys want to have a go? Have a pick. Oh, they're such cool cans, too. Oh, hell yeah, with our signatures in the back. Looks so cool. What is a 1.5 standard drink? That is probably 1.5 units

because it's a 5.2% alcohol beer. No, I'd win. Yeah. Yeah, no, this is a pale ale, because we did the tasting, and pale ale is my favorite type of beer. I think all three of us agreed. We all like this one.

We all like this one. Let's just crack this. This is our first time trying the actual official trash taste. Yeah, because we're, We tried the samples that they sent to us, but this is the first time out of the trash taste can. Cheers, cheers.

Cheers. Give it a sweet. Back in Aussie. Good shit. I love pale ale. Good shit. That's good. Hell yeah.

I can drink this all day. And we will on this podcast. This is the problem now because now I can literally drink my own supply. Don't say like that. It's a dangerous. I've never had this issue before. What do you have to phrase it like that? I've barely.

What do you mean? That's what they do with this? they say with drug dealers. I'm gonna get drunk so far. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I know, but like, you know, that's from the- I get what you mean, but there's better waste of phrase. Wait, why?

We are dealing the drug of joy. What if we drink more? What if we... What happens when we drink more than the profit margin we make on these? Because these are only available in Australia. Like, I know that there are a lot of people in the US, which is most of the viewers would be like, why can't we get it? Because alcohol laws are very difficult.

Yeah, alcohol is super difficult to get alcohol. And honestly, we're just too difficult to get alcohol. just wanted to have beer. We just thought it would be sick. As far as business decisions go, I think releasing a thing that only like 15% of your audience can even consider buying is a terrible.

It's like less than 15%. Well, I know the, I know the Australians will make up for it. Yeah, they'll make up for it and drink. Maybe a small percent, but the amount of one will drink, those five percent is like hard carry. They're sending, they're sending,

we're all getting a few crates each. And I'm like, I kind of want to just put them on my shelf. Like, I want to drink them, but they also look so cool. Yeah. And I don't want to like go through them all and be like, I don't, how am I ever going to get this? You know, it's like how many cans do I keep for display and how many do I drink? Because I am going to drink a lot of this.

How many do I drink for my own personal collection? She's cool seeing trash taste. Yeah. Trash taste. Yeah. On a drink. Yeah. But hey, it's great.

Hey, cheers, guys. Yeah, thank you, modus as well. Yeah. What are you guys been up to? Well, obviously I'm now ruining my health. Yeah. Before I... Me too.

I cycled a lot and then I, now I'm ruining it all. Please drink moderately, by the way. Yeah, drink moderately, yada yada, yada. All that stuff. I think there are laws. I don't know. Yeah, wow. Drink responsibly.

Other than that, I play a chrono trigger. You play chrono trigger? You finished it? Of course I finished it. Did you like it? Yeah. Fuck yeah. I don't know if this is like controversial.

Like it's the best J-Rbjee I've ever played. Better than seven. I don't think that's controversial. In fact, I think that's- Better than eight. That's about it. Actually, the more I play. It's shorter than them, isn't it?

Yeah, way shorter. Way shorter, yeah. Which makes it so good because it doesn't try to like convolut the story by adding a bunch of dumb shit. Yeah. And you get that classic Toriyama art style. Yeah, the art style is amazing.

I can't wait. People would come into my stream and be like, what is it like? Dragon Ball. I was like, well, yes. In a sense. Yes. But actually, you'd be surprised.

Yeah, it's great. It's the first time I've ever done a side quest and a JRPG and it didn't feel like a side quest. Oh, yeah. Wow. What is this character development? We went from, I hate JRP's to, I did a side quest. I think that's more of a compliment to how they integrate the side quest into the story. How long did it take you to complete?

Two streams. So 20 something else. Yeah, I know it's like a little bit shorter. You've played it? I haven't played it yet. Fake fan. It's a... You don't like your average.

You don't know anime like I do. I'm a fake fan. I mean, God will love it. I already know. I already know I'm gonna love it. You're gonna play. I will play. Once I finish the fucking trail series.

No, don't do that. I'm wasting your time with that mid shit. Get on this good shit. Actually, actually, dude, no, no. I'm going down flying with this. I am, I am five games in now. Oh my God. So fucking good.

When does it get good? Is it like nine games in? 15? Yeah. Is this Stockholm syndrome? Yeah. It's good. It's good guys.

It's genuinely like Trails is hitting me in a way that no other JRP is like ever hit me before. It's because you have played Corona Trigger. Huh? I've played current. Yeah. Admittedly it has taken me about like fucking 250 hours to get at this point but, uh... Well, I would hope if you're invested 250 hours into something, you'd start getting an attachment to the Oh no, no, no.

It is like the peaks are like insane, but continue about it. I'm gonna do not. tells an amazing story in such a short amount of time. Who's your favorite character? I like... And why is it not frog? I was going to say it was frog. Yeah.

Is this real name Glenn? What was the no? It was his brother? One of the... Colin? No. Some name like that, yeah. Frog's the best character.

Frog's the best character. Or Rob. Rob's great, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah, hell yeah. He's also great. I feel very impressed that they can just make a robot that's kind of like just the coolest character.

Yeah. The human character is the most boring. Yeah, in a sense, yeah. It's crazy, though. I've never seen like a job, which you'd be like, oh, yeah, here's another character. By the way, you're like one mission away from defeating the game.

Yeah, yeah. He's like another character. And also, I've never seen a game handled time travel in a way that didn't make me feel like they were just like breaking every time travel lore. Yeah, I think that's why I'm like, that's the one thing when I knew I was going to love chronic trigger is because I'm such a sucker for like the time travel trope.

It's totally well. I'd heard from everyone that, like, this does time travel, like some, one of the best ways they've, like, ever seen it. Yeah. It's,

it's, yeah, the way they handle it is so cool. And a lot of the missions require you to, like, kind of think, like, okay, I have to really keep track of all the timelines here. In a way that's fun, not in a way that's like,

oh, fuck, not in a way that you have to open up, like, an Excel shit. Yeah, it's not like, Torario. Well, like, Torario, to even do anything remotely. I have to pull up four wiki pages

to then figure out where to start. Yeah. You're like, I want to kill this boss. Okay, now I've got to find this weapon. Okay, how do I get this way? Okay, how do I get this way? Okay, where's this area?

Where's this area? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, this is ridiculous, Tararia. The Torreya is good, though, but... Yeah, I love Tarari. Yeah. It's fun, but it's bullshit, the amount of wikis you have to open up for that. It is a wicket game that they, I swear it was made just to make, to farm ads on wiki pages.

There's no other reason why you, it's that complicated. Yeah. Yeah. But, no, it's, it's, honestly, it's so good. Definitely makes sure to play more JRP's, but sad that I know that not, that not, that not all of them can be that good. You've hit like the piece. Yeah.

You know. It's like same with anime. When you start it and you start having to watch like domestic girlfriend and stuff. Wait, but you still haven't played Earthbound. No, I haven't played Earthbound. That's the next one.

Othone seems like a completely different vibe. It is a completely different vibe. But I think just, isn't it long? That's when that's when you hit like the peak and then you just like, oh, I should stop watching shit like Montagatry now. Yeah.

You know what I mean? That is just a monogatry. This is just a poliagetri of. This is just a pole. for me to turn Connor more into me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you've watched Attack on Titan, Judice, and Death Note.

Yeah. Why don't it just try weirdos shit now? Yeah, just try like Wolf's Rain and like serial experiments lane. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, and Pete's JRP pulling me. He's always just talking to me about the ones he lot.

He's played like every JRPG ever. Yeah. You name something, you're like, ah, yeah, I love the 39 combat system in that one, that's great. It's like, what that? What did you? How have you played all these games? Yeah.

Yeah. But I guess he didn't put a thousand hours in the Call of Duty like I did. Yeah. I wish I had that time back. It's like I said I would go through like a JRP grind like about two years ago or something on my trash taste where I'm like I want to play more video games. I haven't stopped playing JRP's because I'm like they just keep coming out. And I don't know. Especially early this year.

They've been remaking a ton as well. Yeah. I just finished Percina 3 reload as well. And that was very, very good. But okay, here's the thing. Playing persona 3 reload made me appreciate how many improvements they made for persona 5. Yeah.

Because I think Poseidon 3 reload has my favorite story and the best cast. But oh my God, the gameplay became a drag after a while. Holy fucking shit. Yeah, when they decided to change it from the procedurally generated dungeons to the actually palaces. Get procedurally generated shit out of my face, man. The palaces were just so much more of a refreshing way to explore the map for sure. Yeah.

Yeah, like as much as I love like persona three and persona four in a sense that did something similar. I was just like, damn, the palaces just made things so much better. I'm so far. Yeah. It wasn't even close. It's procedurally generated in Percenta three. Yeah. Every floor is like...

Every floor. And there's a hundred and one, no, 200 floors. is over 200 floor. I guess that's like a slight spoiler because I was like, okay, I'm getting to like, I'm floor 50s. How long does a floor take to beat? Depends how long you want to explore it for.

But at most like five minutes maybe? Yeah, yeah. So it's not too long. It's small. Each floor is small. But it's just so many fucking flaws. And, you know, after a while, they do change up the aesthetic a little bit,

but at the same time. But it's like every like 80 floors they change it. Oh, that's, that's a lot. Yeah. See, that's just like, I think in a hundred hours is just too much. Like, 30 hours felt like the perfect amount of commitment

where I was like, I'm super pumped. But I know that people, I know people who really like those games are like, fucking 300 hours, hell yeah. I'm like, what? I think persona 3 reload took me about 50 hours, but that's because, like, I've already played the game and I knew the story lines, you know, like the story tempos

and stuff like that. It took me like 70 hours, I think. But you know what's now? pissed me off with JLPG fans is that you, you beat their game. It's not enough. You got to get every ending. It's not cool. And they're like, yeah, but you got to sink into like another 70 to get all the endings. I'm like, no, I don't. If you did it in 100% of JLPg, did you even play it? Dude, they're so insufferable. Like, can I just play the fucking game? Yeah, right? I mean, they're like what like the cod gamers are to mobile game. You're not real gamer.

You're not real gamer. You're not saying slurs and getting headshots. You're not a real gamer. It's like, God damn it. I beat your game. I didn't, I didn't want, because I, I, I, I didn't want, I, I, I, I, I didn't play your game because I didn't want to reset and redo shit I've already done for just a fucking YouTube video worth of difference in ending that I could have watched in five minutes anyway. Actually, you didn't enjoy it the right way. Yeah, yeah. You didn't enjoy it the right way.

You enjoyed it your own way, which actually just isn't the right way. You're meant to enjoy it this way. There's a canon way of enjoying it apparently, according to the JLPG fans. I just like, what? Like, I mean, yeah, I encourage it goes fucking amazing. Oh, so good. So good.

At least I got, I got a pretty good ending. People were very happy. And I was like, guys, I'm not gonna do the other endings. Because this is gonna take too long. Yeah. And I get the same level of enjoyment from watching the YouTube video.

That's fine, man. That's fine. I didn't realize there were multiple endings. How many endings are there? Not sure. Quite a few. I mean, there's certain things you can do along the way that do change the game. Normally, to be fair,

it seems to be they're all near the end of the game. So if you did want to redo it, you just have to go back to a certain save. Yeah. But there's some really cool things. And again, I didn't know anything about the game. So there were certain things that happened in the game that I was like, wait, what?

Yeah. What? There's some plot twists in that game that to this day are like, whoa. They're still afraid to do it. They're still afraid to do it in video games, do what they did back then. They've gone too soft.

They're scared to take away stuff from you. It's so good, though. I wish I could go back and just replay it all of Krona sugar two, three, four. Oh, wait, they didn't make it anymore. Oh, no. No, don't tell me that. Don't fucking tell me that they made Chrono Cross

or whatever it was. Yeah, Chrono Cross. I hate what people tell me this shit. Like, no, it's not the same. What is the law behind Chrono Cross? I mean, it's, it's, the problem is when you get into, like, the Chrono Cross stuff, it just becomes so convoluted that I don't think anyone knows.

No, they're like, are you gonna play Advent? No, I'm not gonna play Advent children. No, stop asking me. I'm not gonna play these things. Yeah. I wanna have free time and hack out my friends. Yeah. I'm playing the game is it's not enough for you.

No, you don't need free time as a JRP player. That is your free time. Play JLPG. That is free time. I like having friends, though. Yeah. I like hanging out with my friends. Fair enough.

I like drinking beer with the boys. I don't have time to do this. We could be playing JRP's. We could be doing this while playing JRP's. It was crazy. I got on a flight and now I'm recording two podcast episodes and I'm going to have a meeting and the same amount of time I could have done like one mission

in Final Fantasy 7th in the Rebirth. You know what I mean? I shouldn't play Final Fantasy 7th Rebirth. It's fucking ridiculous. Yeah. Have you played that? Rebirth? Yeah. Yeah, I finished it. Um, I 100% of it actually. Oh my God. Is it good? That must have been hell. Because I heard so how much side shit there was doing that. Yeah, that's the problem. Okay, so the reason why I think the remake was probably better than the rebirth is because like, I think they did too much padding out in rebirth with a lot of like sidequess stuff. Rebirth's the first one, right? Remake is the first one. Oh, so you think the first one's better than that? I think the first one's better than the second one. Do you think that is not the first time of first one to say that too? Yeah. I think. I think, I think, I think most people who play both games can agree that the second one, I mean, you know, the story points, like the main story points in rebirth are like great, you know, great Final Fantasy storytelling. And like the cinematics are fucking insane. But like they put in so much side stuff that at the end of the day is not necessary at all for the most part to actually complete the game and have an enjoyable time. But the one side thing that they did add to rebirth, which I thought,

At first I was like, this is dumb as shit. But then by the end of it, I was like, I am obsessed. They created a card game called Queen's Blood. Okay. And it's like, it's this really interesting like system where like, I'm sure the Squarionix is probably eventually going to turn into like an actual physical like TCG. Because everyone who played it in rebirth was just like at first they were like, what is this shit?

I don't want to. This isn't fighting monsters and leveling up. But then by the end of everyone was like, all right. I gotta optimize my deck and like beat these side characters to get the better cards and shit like that. Like it basically turned like kind of U-GOS Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Into it.

And yeah, like, after like, it took me about maybe 80, 90 hours to 100% it, but the first like- That's it? I've thought people put like 120 hours. Oh, but like I've like min-max that shit. Okay, like crazy. Like I was like, I was like, I want 100% of but I don't wanna spend like 200 hours doing this

because I have other games to play and other shit to do. So I was just like min-maxing that shit by looking it up. Yeah. And also I just got really fucking good at Queensblood where I'm just like I beat you. It's like nah, I'm weird. Yeah, but that side quest, the Queen's Blood shit

was so good. But then there are other ones that were just like whatever, like, you know, just fucking like there was a segment where it's like every town you went to, there was a piano there and like you had to get Tifa to like do basically like a rhythm game type of thing. to play every song in the game and stuff. That sounds so annoying. Yeah, it was just like, I'll just do it

just because I'm already this far in. Is the story completely different now by the point in this game? Yeah, story segments are different. I don't want to give too much away, obviously, but it is not- Completely different or reworked? Because those are like two different things.

Because I know in the first one, they kind of went off course. Yeah, it's basically, I think I saw somewhere that, like, Nomura was like, it's set in a different timeline. Yeah, I saw that too. Yeah, where it's like, it's just as canon as the original,

but it's just in a different timeline. And I'm like, okay. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. All right. Yeah, you're really trying to save your ass right here. You can't say it's just as canon.

Have you can have your fucking cake and eat it. Yeah, but this is normal. He doesn't know what the word canon means. It's true. But, uh, no,

it was good. And I'm looking forward to the third game when it comes out in 2020. Do you think it holds up to the original? Or do you think it's kind of a different product of this time? But I, I have a really soft spot for the original, obviously, because I like grew up with it.

Um, um, But if you've never played the original seven, I think the remakes is a good way of transit. Is it still a great experience. Like all the best parts about like the cast of characters and everything is like I think just as good and just as well explored as the original.

But you don't get like that magic of the original. But then again, it's hard to like convince like, you know, a 15 year old kid today who's like used to like God tier graphics in video games to go back to the fucking egg beat a hand cloud in, you know, PS1 graphics, right? Like it's difficult.

So like I think they did a good move on the remakes. Yeah. And apparently they're remaking nine as well, from what I heard. I think isn't it been like rumored for ages and 10 has been rumored? Yeah, and 10. But 10's been remade so many, oh, remastered so many times. Yeah, remastered is, I mean, that means they just run it through like the thing that goes like upgraffics. Yeah, they just run it through like an AI filter that upscales are basically.

I mean, obviously not all of them do that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, actually. But like a lot of the times they're just like smooth. Yeah. Smooth. But also, but also the.

The original 10 and 10 too still look amazing to this day. Yeah, they look great. Yeah. Yeah. It sucks because then now I've played two Final Fantasy's and Kerner triggered. I'm trying to get through it. I'm trying to play the other Final Fantasies that I want to play. What's the next one you want to play? Ten?

I'm kind of torn between either 9, 10 or 6. Yeah. Everyone's like six is the greatest of all time, but I know that people just aren't going to be into six as much as they will be into 10. If you're going to stream it, six might be difficult. Yeah. I mean, six is my favorite, but, yeah. I mean, Crotrigger, like, I think.

That's just the perfect, I think, length, honestly, like, yeah, of JRPG, like, Corona Trigger. It's like, oh, six is like 10? Six is, like, probably an average playthru would be like 80 hours. It's a long game. Is it that long? It's like 70. No, it's not.

It can be. I got to look at the, I always use how long to beat, and it's probably pretty accurate, actually. How Long to Beat.com. Yeah, how long to be. That's how I normally plan my streams. What does how long to be dot com say about six? Yeah, because like I'll, if a game is like 20 hours, that's a completely different commitment to me

than a 12 out of a game. Because that means now I have to like do two separate streams. But like, you know, not not, you know, I'm a streamer so I pay attention to this stuff. But Chrono Trigger, when I was playing like eight and seven, I had a really, really good view of year. When I was playing Chrono Trigger is a lot less. So I think a lot of people were like less into it.

I mean, it's hard. It's hard to get, people to watch JRP's or just like... I don't know. I think there's a way to do it. I think like... Okay, how long to be to saying main story, not including side quests, is 34 hours. That's pretty good.

Okay. That doesn't seem right. Like, what I've noticed about playing like story-based games is that the game better be an absolute classic that everyone has to have played. You can't play some like brand new JRPG that like is kind of like not like the biggest shit ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like even persona, I don't think.

is big enough for brands to like stream. I wouldn't stream for like pretty much it's just Final Fantasy, you know, that I can think of actually pulling in like view numbers. I mean, for me it's great, so I just get to like, play a game that I'm kind of trying to get into. And it's like, all right, I think it's cool at work. But I secretly just want to play Corona Trigger. Yeah.

I want to just hang out and play Corona Trigger for nine hours. I'm just glad you enjoyed it. Dude, I mean, how can I not? I think if you didn't enjoy Coroner, you have a... You've got a dent in your head. Honestly, I mean, it's like so good. It is good. Yeah.

Yeah, I really loved it. I've got to find more games to play. Earthbound, bro. Play Earthbound. Who's going to watch Earthbound? I'm replaying Mother 3 on Twitch. This is the more GIPBs I play, the more weird people come into my comments being like, you got to play this JRP that I've never heard of.

Play Blue Dragon. I did that once. I only made my mistake. 100% of that, by the way. Play Dragon Quest 11. No, no, you're worse than them now, Joe. That's good though. I'm not doing any of these.

It's so good. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing this. You should try a tails game. Not doing that. Not doing that. I played, I paid, I paid, uh, play. Yeah, not trails.

I paid, uh, Bizzaria, whatever it's called. Bizarria. Yeah, that's the shit. Does that I get the title, right? Yeah. Oh, shesaria sucks, though. Would have been great before I put 15 hours in that game and fucking passed out of boredom. Bizaria.

That's one with the edgy chick, right? Bizaria is the, uh, mega kill of Tales games. It is. I mean, it's not as bad as like Zysteria, but it's not, it's not the highlight. No. You can play my German friend who told me to play that one,

and I kind of got bored. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even finish Bizarro. I remember I had fun with it, but you know, when you, like, there was nothing wrong with it,

but when I turned off the game went to bed, there was nothing in my brain that was like, booted up tomorrow. Yeah. Nothing stuck with you. Yeah. But I wasn't, like, bored playing it, right? But there's nothing that made me think that I have to play at this game.

I actually, do you know the only reason I finished that game? Why? It's because I streamed that game. And this was before I had like a stream. That's why I hate streaming games. They're super long because like what if I do one stream? All people are going to ask for me is to when am I going to finish it? Even though like half the views don't give a fuck.

Yeah. Like 10 people that are like, hey, when are you finishing Tales of Zaria? When are you finishing that? When are you finished? I'm not. It sucked. Okay. It sucked.

What are you going to do? All right. No one liked it. No one watched. You didn't show up. You watch the Vod, okay? Yeah, yeah. You just want to see the highlights, you know?

Yeah, exactly. But I mean, I like that because I like, it's also like a fun challenge because, you know, on the, on the second channel I'm doing, we've been like, we uploaded like the whole seven stream into one. Yeah. So it's kind of fun tackling. How do you make 40 hours into like an hour to two hour video

that's really like fun, engaging? And that's always a fun challenge. And I love uploading those videos. You say it's a fun challenge, but are you, It's not a challenge for you. It's not a challenge for you. Okay, Mudan sends me like the video and then I sit there for like two hours

and like going through it and chopping it down. Actually, that one, that one was actually very helpful because the editor was a Final Fantasy nerd. Okay. Which helps so much. Because normally So then you immediately were all the good parts. Yeah, because like when we did like fear and hunger, Muna was like, I don't know what fuck this is.

So he just did a bunch stuff and I I would, so I'll get like a double the length video that what actually makes it. And then I'll normally OBS, screen record me watching the draft, and then give live notes and then add voiceover live. Right. And so then he just gets this two hour, like, two, three hour video. That's not like the most cancerous, like, way to like go.

No, it's the best way to do it. I've ever seen them in my life. No, no, no, no, because if I have to write down notes, this video is never getting made. Right. So if I can just go on the thing, record the voice over while I'm doing the notes, it's like, oh, he can just go through it. It's a really great system to like get,

because we're going through like two videos a week. Some of these videos are three hours long. We got to like find a better system than writing notes. It takes too long. Writing notes does not take too long. It takes so fucking long. What is how does it? You can say that because you write scripts.

You write a bunch. You write a bunch. You write a bunch. For me it's like, okay, if I'll, I'll, I'll pause like, we'll be at 10 minutes in. I'll be like, okay, cut this time stamp to this timestamp, and I'm going to call a voiceover right now. Put this voiceover in right here instead.

And then they just cut it out. Have you ever used frame Io? No, I gotta start using that, though. Yeah, yeah. That's literally just like you... I don't want to write. I want to talk. Okay?

Smuggle like a true YouTube. I want to, I don't... I'm looking to verbalize. Because I'm also recording the voiceover, right? With the frame Io, like there are these tools that they've made that it's like I imagine a YouTube video, but like you can make annotations on it on like a timestamp. And it's very helpful. I think when you're working in a big team.

But because it's just, literally just me and Mudan. Like we're doing a video right now where like the first draft is five hours. So that that video process was like, because it's the first game called Void Stranger that I played. It's like a really, it's finished. So that's how you already know.

It's weird. Okay. Right. But it's like a mess of a story when you play it like in one go. Really interesting and like a really like compelling game. But to kind of present it as a YouTube video requires so much fucking work. And I don't expect the editor to have put 50 hours into it like, like I have because like that's ridiculous.

So he'll edit like, so I mean this one's like way more complicated, but we'll have like people writing notes to send to the editor of like all the key moments to put in and then we'll start flushing it out with each moment. It's a nightmare. I know what you play next. I got it.

Okay, well. Perfect. Finish near automata. That's actually, that's actually perfect screen content. Finish? Yeah. Finish near or time.

I remember you said like you tried it and then you like couldn't get past I thought you meant like, like there was a finish, like the language finish. Oh, no. Like there was a,

there was a Finnish version. Like a bunch of people in Finland made it like a mod. They remade near but really fucked up and finished. Specifically the fucked up version of mirror. If a bunch of finished people remade near and added all the bunch of the finish quirks, I'd be down.

No, yeah, I got so pissed. So I, I think you straight about this before in the fog. Yeah, I'm so fucking pissed off that I died 30 minutes into this tutorial. Yeah.

And for some reason, they make you restart the whole fucking tutorial. Yeah. Why do they do that? Has Yoko Tara's a troll, bro? Honestly, I think it's perfect because number one, it is really fucking popular. Number two, there's so many weird moments in it that it's just going to get so many good reactions. How long is the game? There's 26 endings, bro.

That's fucked. No, you just... That's fucked, Joey. No, but... That's fucked up, but you would say that. There's 26 endings, but 21... 22 of them, right? 21, 22 of them.

How long to be? How long to be? Let's check. 21 or 22 of them are meme endings. So they're just like, you do a certain thing and it, and it says like, game over and it shows the ending. But like you can go back to the previous save. Huh? He loves porn, right?

Well, he loves near porn, yeah. How long to be near automata? About 21 hours. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Is that all three endings? Is that just the A ending? What do you mean by that?

Okay, so near automata, there's like an A in. So basically, I say 26 endings because all of the endings are named after letters in the alphabet. Yeah. Right? So there's an A ending, which is like basically the first part of the game. And then it goes into the B part of the story. And then you do the B ending and then it goes into the next part of the story.

And from there to get the final final ending, there's either a C ending or a D ending. So in reality. He's complicating this. You know there's like different characters in there? Yeah. So the first, like, A, 2 and B2. Yeah, yeah. So, so.

No, there's A2. 9. You're 2B. 9. Okay. Okay. So first you play as the girl, the one's thirsting over.

And then you finish, you finish the storyline. And then you restart the story through a completely different perspective. So although like you're replaying it, what you're really doing is getting a different perspective of the same story. But you're getting so much more. This is why he's a YouTuber, man. He just tricked me into thinking that it sounded good. Yeah. And you explained to me that it sounded boring.

Yeah. Sorry, I'm a J-L for you. You're like, actually, there are 21. Yeah. I'm like, what the fuck? So what people mean when they say there's three different endings, what they really mean is you get to the ending

of the story three different times but through three different perspective. And each time you get a new perspective, it adds more to your understanding of the story. Okay, that makes more sound. And the remaining ones are all meme endings that you're going to tar are through in just a trauma player. Right, right.

Yeah. No, I mean, like, I'm down. I also just love the weird games. Like, I think indie games are doing some really crazy stuff right now. And we, it happened for a long time. They're really cool. And I just love that there's just this. When we played that game, Royce Rangers are telling you about, I don't, I can't recommend it.

It's, which one? Brutal. Uh, Void Stranger. Oh. It's a Sokoban type game. Okay. The fuck is that. I mean, it's a Japanese means like warehouse keeper?

Is that what I mean? Sokolong? Yeah. Yeah. Warehousekeeper. It's like, um, you move blocks. You know those iPhone S games

or you can like move the blocks to get out? Let me let me see this game. What's it called? Void Stranger. Boyd Stranger. And it basically tells a story kind of the same way. Like you you beat the game. Oh,

beat the game. And then like, Oh, yes, I have seen this. And like when I played it, there was like one YouTube video out about it that kind of explained the story.

Yeah. And there's the longest video that explains the story. Yeah. Oh, that long. I have seen this. I've been willing to play this. The guy,

I knew I had to play it when the longest, like the one hour explainer video opens up with, so I haven't beaten the game yet. But here's what I think of the story so far. And I was like, oh, okay, I got it. Did you finish it?

I think I did. Because like, you have to understand, like, the game is so, it's literally just steam forums where people are collecting information. There's no like one giant base of information that explains everything. It's all just like snippets from different forums.

There's no like game fact of it or anything. People have made guides on how to beat certain levels, which is very helpful because some puzzles are very tough. But there's no like cohesive. And every single time I read a different story analysis, they're all wildly different. So I was kind of like very confused about what the actual point was. I continue talking.

I'm going to go piss, but I have a feeling I'm going to piss a lot. So I can't take a piss. We should drink and beer. Yeah. But it was cool. I think it's a very Joey game. But also, dude, it's so troll.

because you like... Wait, what makes it a me game? Whoa! It's just tedious. But that's how you get the story. God's gone. Wait, why does that, why does that make it a me game? You know what? You're not so fucked about this game.

So John's playing it too. Uh-huh. Because I actually, when I found out about this game, I messaged John. Yeah, John, this looks like a John game. And John goes... John and I do like the same game. Yeah, John goes, actually, I'm 15 hours in. And I was like, okay, and I was like, do you think he'd

be a good stream game. He was like, I don't think so. Right. And he was absolutely right. It was a terrible stream game. Yeah. It was impossible for viewers to keep what was going on. Because I was, playing it. And I didn't know what the fuck was going on. Right. Um, so, uh, and I had a call with John about like a month ago. And John had put about 40 hours in this game. Oh. And, uh, I'll just say this. Me and John with 40 hours in the game were basically playing a different game. Oh, wow. Okay. Because there's like some pieces of information that are so crucial for certain things and very easy to miss. Oh, I love the sound of that. That does sound like a me game.

But the problem is, the problem is, is that if you miss certain things, the next 40 hours become absolute pain. Why? In this game. It's a knowledge-based game, okay, games that the only... there's no levels, there's no, there's no XP, there's no kind of... It's about how much you know about the game. It's purely about your knowledge of the game.

Sure. And so having that pretty much is the entire game. Yeah. So it's honestly, as well at some points, it's impossible to do without a guide. Oh, wow.

That was like one or two puzzles where I kind of understood what it wanted me to do. And without a guide, I just couldn't do it. Even though we had like, I had live consultations with viewers. Like, we were all going through it

trying to brainstorm. Yeah. how to solve this puzzle and no one could figure it out. And then I looked at the solution. I was like, fuck you, fuck you, man.

It's fucking stupid. It doesn't make me fucking sense. Oh, that sounds awesome. Yeah. You'd like it. I love that. Oh my God.

And it's by a finish, is it only, wait, you just like, finish games now? Because they, like, torture you.

You got to know, something about finished game devs. Something's going wrong in Finland. I don't know what's wrong in Finland. But for some reason, it makes these amazing game devs that make just the coolest, which fucked up.

Everyone forgets about them compared to the other Scandinavian countries. Including us on our tour, by the way. A worrying amount of Finnish games have suicide as an ability in the game. So I don't know what's going on in Finland, but they're just so cool and creative in a way that allows them to like just really make these like really interesting experiences. The first thing I find when I type in Boyd Gaze on Google is a PC gamer article that says a seemingly innocent puzzle game is hiding what might be the most subversive

fourth wall breaking adventure since Undertale. I think that's a big claim. I'd say, yeah, it's got like a good, it does make me feel similarly, but I feel that the one thing that Undertail did so well was it gave you a lot of options, but it always directed you on a path to find something out.

Yeah. The problem with this game is you could literally be in a loop and find nothing out. God damn. And like, there'd be times where I would need to go and do a certain piece of information, but it would require me restarting the wrong. and then going to do like 50 levels of puzzles

to get one piece of information that wouldn't help much. That sounds like hell. That sounds like torture. Absolutely is fucking help. Absolutely is fucking help. You're just looking for another, what's it called? Good YouTube video.

No, no, no. Fear and Hunger. Yeah. You're looking for another fear and hunger. He's updating it. He's updating it. So the second game's gonna get a huge update with extra, I'm so pumped. I love those games.

The more I play other games, the more I realize how fucking goaded fear in hunger is. How fucking good it is. What a fucking cool world. Just I'm just fucking masochists. No, I just think like, I've never had a horror game that's like, got to me like that. I just don't know how to explain it.

It's so good. I'm a simp. I mean, I've seen John's video. He's fully sold me on it. Yeah. But I also, at the same time, I'm terrified to start it. No, you can start it. It's not that hard.

It's hard. It's not that long. No, but it's not even that. It's the fact that like, John posed it. John, by the way, super iPatch, will subscribe if you don't know. If I'm on the show. The way John described it in his video was so compelling and I'm like, wow, this is a... John's always going to do in that.

Oh, he's amazing at that. But he did it in such a good way where it's like, god damn, I want to experience this game for myself, but he made it sound absolutely terrifying. Yeah. So much so that it almost didn't... I didn't want to do it. Yeah. I just like those types of pieces of media, you know, sometimes you just like experiencing stuff vicariously. to other people.

Totally. And watching, watching Connor streams, watching John's videos, I'm like, all right, that's, that's a good experience.

Yeah. I feel like, that was, I basically played it. I feel like I played the game. But now that I got to, because at that time, when I streamed it,

it was literally like the day after John released that video. Yeah. And the reason why I played Fear and Hunger was because I saw that John released a video and I watched two, like, about a minute. And I was like,

I'm, you know what, fuck it. I was gonna play something else that day. Yeah. I was like, you know, fuck it,

I'm a stream this game all day today. And I thought it was going to be unshowable on Twitch because I had to download some weird mod just to censor it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Stream it. And whenever I watch YouTube videos, people show on the actual dicks and stuff,

I'm like, oh my God, yeah, I forgot it looks like this. Yeah. Because I've only ever played it with the fucking pine cones covering the dick. So, but it was, it was at a time where the game, where people didn't know a lot about this game. It was so kind of like,

if you hadn't watched John's video, you hadn't heard about this game. Yeah, yeah. So getting to experience that firsthand with no one, no one in the viewership able to spoil it was so cool. Yeah.

Because it was literally just a, I got to share a first time experience with like 10,000 other people and we were all constantly in shock of like what this game was throwing at us. Right. And I'm constantly chasing that high now and I can't find it.

Yeah, I mean, that's, I pretty much have never experienced that when I'm streaming a game. It's the best feeling ever. By the time I stream a game, even if it's like, you know, something like fucking Among Us or lethal company. By the time I play the game, I feel like everyone's already optimized. Every intrepid has been covered. Everyone has optimized the shit out of this.

And I'm like, well, the magic star. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even more so with like the second game, like, it was a completely different setting, different story, different characters. And it had even less videos about this. Like when I, when I'd beaten Fear and Hunger, played it. And then I wanted to try the second one. I was really scared because the first one was so tough that I was like I don't know how to beat this so I looked online I was like is there any like beginner advice they recommend taking and there was like nothing

There's literally like two videos about the game that were kind of big Shout out to worm girl those videos are great But there was pretty much no videos kind of telling you how to progress through the game which is so cool because the game was so fucking hard But really rewarding when you figured it out yeah and then they recently patched the thing that I did to like beat the game. I found there was this OPEs. There was an O.P. There was an O.P. Strat where you could like life steal.

And then when you went down to, it was a whole combo of things. Basically you couldn't die. Right. And then he patched it out of the game. I'm scared to replay it. Because I only beat it abusing that. So I'm like,

I don't want to go back and show that I'm a little bitch boy. He doesn't it. But I really want to replay it again. Yeah. Dude you miss the OG days of like no insnets and like having to buy a strategy guy. Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

Which, you know. I'm a strategy guys. I was talking about this with a friend the other day when we went to like a retro gaming bar. And we were just talking about like we were playing, we were playing this like old NES transformer game called Mystery of Convoy. And it's like it's considered like it's like a cult classic

as like one of the most difficult NES games ever made. And I was like playing through it. And we were like, We're just talking about like how, like, people can beat this now because, you know, like, people have figured out, like, strats and, like, you know, they've spent, you know, the 20, 30 years since the game came out to, like, really just, like, tear this game apart

and, like, figure out all the exploits and stuff. But, like, I remember, you know, like, back when I was growing up, where, like, you know, the whole, like, you know, for example, like, OG Pokemon game of, like, the Mew under the truck rumor, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like, you know, that was so fun when you're, like, all the information had to be spread verbally.

Yeah, yeah. And you know, like. Your mate had heard this rumor that if you do this in the game. And then you'd gather to your friend's place and be like, let's see if it's true. And you know, like, you'd run up the wall a hundred times to like just find that one,

you know, make sure to, you know, to find out if it's like an actual rumor or not, you know, and just like that level of mystique, I definitely miss. Yeah.

With like so many things that I like. Because now you can, like, even if it's the game that's like the hardest game, you can literally just pull up a YouTube video in two minutes and find a speed run. Yeah, totally.

Yeah, you're like, But I remember like back in the arcade days, like, I used to play metal sl like all the time. I was addicted to it. Like I, I remember I punched a French kid over it. But I've gotten so good at it because it was the only game I'd ever play. Right. That whenever like kids were playing it, I'd be like, I can help you that.

Let me show you how to do it. You're like the king of the arcades back then. Yeah. Like I had that knowledge. I would like just convince because I was so dead. I was so addicted to playing it. I would just convince these French kids to let me have one of the credits. Right.

I'd be like, let me show you how it's done. Let me join me join in. And then like, especially with like metal slug three, which is such a bullshit game. If you ever played Metal Slug series, you'll know Metal Slug 3 is fucked. At least the first four levels I was pretty good at to do without dying. I remember that was one of the first games I played with you. Yes, because I used to play Metal Slugger X and I used to do a thing as a kid. Metal Slugge one, two was kind of tough, but Melaslug 1 and X, I used to redo, I'd go with the arcade and I would beat it all in one credit.

Damn. And it was great because then my, all I would have to do is after one. my parents were one pound or one euro. And then I would last for like an hour. It's like an hour. Cause I would beat the whole game on one, one credit. And I'd be like, this is fucking tight.

Or a gold game. Same thing with time crisis as well. I played time crisis so much that, especially the first one I can do it. I don't know if I still can do it now, but I can definitely do it like two credits. Right. I think.

Damn. Or like one, two live, sorry. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because there's always this, you know, especially nowadays. No, tell the other kids. I'm like, do this. He's gonna, he's gonna pop up right here. Sorry.

Yeah, yeah. Because, you know, back when we were kids, if you completed a video game, there were some certain video games where it was like a badge of honor. Yeah, you're like the coolest. Even if it was like something like Pokemon, you know, like, you know, even like some of the most mainstream games. But now, but now game design has gone to a place where it's just like, okay. They've gone accessible. So there's two cats. Did you hear, actually, did you hear like Sony are releasing like a, uh, what's an autoplay function or something?

Well, they patented it, right? Yeah, they paid them to like an auto play. did like an autoplay function for like certain video games. Okay. And got fucking clowned on like to like, it's like they're pretending that like mobile games haven't had this for ages. Yeah, exactly.

And you know, you know, I can see like, I can see like two camps into it, right? Because- I was going to be peeing a lot. I'm not on this episode. We're going to be peeing a lot. I can see like two camps to it because,

you know, at a certain point, a lot of gamers have grown up to be adults with lives and less free time. And sometimes you just want to like shut off and just like put inputs in and just experience the game. Well, you want to watch a movie. You want to. I mean, I saw like, I saw like the the top comment and reply to I think the tweet about it.

Yeah. Was like the image of Conan playing God of War the new one. Yeah. And he's like, I've been holding this control for 45 minutes. And I haven't put anything in because it's just all cut scenes, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's, okay, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's kind of like the tradeoff. It's kind of like a trade off, not so much a movie, but it's the sense of achievement versus getting content that you paid money for. Yeah. You know what I mean. Yeah, I mean, in terms of auto play, should it be in games, uh, yeah, I'm done. I mean, it's accessibility. Yeah. I think that like, if you want to experience like a video game and for, for whatever. reason you are physically or unable to input on a difficult moment or whatever yeah i think having

more accessibility there is fantastic and i think that sony's been one of the companies uh especially with the in-house games like i know the um the last of us series is really good with the accessibility options you can customize shit out of that game you can make it so like the characters of blobs like red outlines oh yeah yeah yeah like you whatever kind of visual or physical uh impairment you have. You can you can make the game work for you. And in that sense, I'm really down for it. So I think it's just a knee-jerk reaction to gamers hearing anything like less gaming. You're like, oh, the turns like games away. The turns like gaming away from us. They're trying to make movies. And like also sometimes when sometimes there's a point where you just like

play a game or replay a game. There's some sections that you're like, I do not want to play this. Look, when you force me to do a fucking stealth. mission in a in like an action game or a trading mission give me the auto play function yeah give me the skip function yeah because i am i am like they're trying to speed run it and i i immediately get like spotted i'm like we're just got let's players are on like the career's ruined now if this comes out there'll never be a let's player ever again walkthroughs have been changed yeah yeah yeah yeah so like you know and you can argue well just make better game disline which i you know i you know i Like, obviously I agree with.

Come on, game designers. Get with it. Well, it's like, at the same time. It's like if you've ever watched TV show. Yeah. And, you know, you watch, I don't know if you ever done this. You've, you want to watch, you rewatch TV show. You watch like five episodes of, like, episode one to five. And then you're like, I'm going to skip episode six.

I don't know. I've never done that. Or I've sped up through it because I've been like, I'm sort of already watch it. And I want to get to the point where I wanted to, like, kind of get into it. Okay, I've actually, okay, it's not so much I've sped up on it, but I'm like, oh, can we just, can we just like get through this

and get to the shit I actually care about? I actually felt that recently because I recently watched Invincible Season 2. What the fuck? What did you skip? Huh? What did you skip?

I didn't skip anything. Oh, okay. It was more of, they were like, okay, so there's the storyline I care about. Oh, yeah. Which is like the Viltermites, right? Yeah. Everything to do with...

You're like, stop, stop. Everything to do with... with that. And then I was like, all right, this is the shit I care about. And then there are some like super villains that I'm like, are you really important?

Oh, you mean with like the, when they, like the lizard people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,

I mean, I think that the one thing that I'm really, that I've liked about invincible, uh, is that I feel like they're doing a great job of like planting seeds. Yeah. Like stuff that's going to happen. Mm.

in a way that doesn't feel like, like they're like, look, sounds gonna happen, guys. It's just little things happen where I feel like there's rippling consequences in this universe that I really jive with. Yeah, yeah. And I think that even stuff like that inconsequential, it helps really impact the characters

in a way that changes them. Yeah, that I mean. Which I really like. Yeah, I mean... The romance, I kind of wish it wasn't as much, but I can appreciate what it's doing. I know it's fine. Okay, I have to have this realization.

Remember when I talk, when we're when we talked about hey i talked about i can't really get into western or like live action romances yeah it's uncomfortably like too much at times i i i think i've realized why uh i think i think i've realized why couldn't get into it um okay this might be a hot take um i think love is just like cringe telling sydney right now on the podcast. That's so funny that you would use the word cringe.

All right, all of it's just objectively, you know what? All the gadget games where he just went, like, put it to that meme where they go, yeah. Like, like, okay, he's got a point now. Let me justify this. Like, real love, like real in.

Because it's messy. It's messy. It's messy. Okay, okay. Real love is messy. It's not plain. It's not easy. You have to fight for it.

It's not fun to watch. Okay. Even, even, even, even, even when, we have, you know, times when we have met our partners and shit like that. Would you be able to go back through your original DMs? No. Where you were... Fuck no.

Originally, like, flirting, talking romantically with them and not cringe the fuck out of... Fuck, no. That's what I'm saying, right? Hell no. That's what I'm saying. Love is fucking cringe. But women love that shit. Romance is fucking cringe.

I don't think just women like romance. No, we've been loved going back at the old DMs and being like, you remember how cute you were about? Do they? Yeah. At least Aki does. And I'm just like, please don't. Do you know what, discovered recently? Oh, God.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. God, can't lean on the mic show, I? Two beers. Sorry, so. But I found this, like, I found this document saved on, like, my Google Drive. And I'm like, I'm like, what is this document? that it was um it was old Skype blogs

of me and like Sydney talking back uh where you saved the sky blogs yeah yeah save the sky blog to uh when I confessed because that's so cute because at the time I was like I'm gonna want to remember this and I was actually so sweet what the fuck but I and I was like at the time I was like I'm gonna want to remember this and I and I do want to remember this

but I forgot that I saved it and I was really And I'm just like, this is, no, I cannot, I cannot get through this shit, man. Very, very sweet. Would you not want to read that? Yeah, would I'm, I'm like, I've seen old, like, YouTube DM messages between, like, Arki and I back in the day. Really, you're gonna message other YouTube channels? Yeah, you remember when YouTube teams was a thing? I've seen the, I've seen some of the old one, and some of the old Skype blogs, and I'm just like, I used XD way too much.

I was so, okay, I was gonna say, I was gonna say, like, you, you said, it's an unhealthy You go through your old messages and you like, okay, like back in the day, you know, I saw, I used like the winky face sometimes and I'm like, whirking is objectively a cringe act. It is a cringe act. No, what's worse is the winky cat face. No, don't do that. Don't do that. Okay, okay.

So your complaint is that you don't want to watch real romance because it's too messy. It is, it is messy. it is cringe and, you know, even my own, you know, even though, you know, even though when you're flirting, you know, it's, there is a connection between you and the other person. I mean, it's such a, it's such a vulnerable thing. Yeah, it's a very vulnerable thing. But viewed through a third person perspective, you watch two, you watch two couples be a couple in their own private, like home, you are cringe.

Let's let's let's, let's, let's, let's, let's say I'm cringe for what you're. invincible and the more than no no no what I'm saying is okay let's let's say let's say anyone who is going out right now or it was married or has a couple right now you you when you are by yourself with your partner no one else watching let's let's be real here you cringe yeah you do you do some cringe shit oh I do yeah yeah you you do you you do you you do you you do you you do you do you do you do you do you do you're you're like fuck if uh anyone if if anyone if anyone ever fucking filmed this if the boys found out what I do you're right in my private time with my partner.

God damn, they will never talk to me again. Oh my God, there is still one moment. That's literally the entire Napoleon movie. That's literally the entire Napoleon movie. If the boys found out how I was acting, that's literally the interpolation. They'll never respect me again. You cannot respect Napoleon after you watch the movies.

I have this one thing. I'm going to publicize, I guess. but um so uh so you know when you talk to your girl sometimes you act you act a little bit differently right sure so uh sidney said me like uh like a lovi-dovey message as she does um and uh i was like a little bit drunk and i reply back in the same like lovey-dovey style wishing her well um uh and then i close i close the app i wake up, I sent it to Alan. I sent it to my editor, by the way.

My editor. Well, he must have been very happy. And he just... Love you too, bro. And he just, he sends me that I wake up to this reply. And it's just, and it's just out of being a real fucking bro, being like, I'm going to do you a favor. I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that and I'm never gonna mention this again

and I'm just like and he never did and I still think about that to this day man I still think of something similar but I send it to my sister instead oh no oh yikes and she was just like

are you drunk and I was like yes I wasn't drunk I was just an idiot so so getting back to getting back to why you know, I like anime romance. It's because that to me feels so idealized

and unrealistic that I'm like, okay, I can invest myself in that romance because it's so far beyond. Yeah, but they've never had to face a challenge. Yeah. They've never had to, you know. I get that, but then after you've seen so many of those, it becomes so unrealistic that you're just like,

yeah, the realistic side of you is just like, wait, this is just bullshit though. I think like it's supposed to be, I think romance and shows is meant to be messy. meant to be cringe, meant to be uncomfortable, meant to make you question like, you know, who's in the right or wrong, but then be like, wait, that's not what it's about. It's not about who's right or wrong. It's about how do these characters feel and how's this impacting them?

I think Invincible does a really good job, although sometimes I will, yes, you are like, for fuck's sake, get on with the viltramites. Although it didn't fucking help, they split it into two fucking parts. So when they do spend a whole fucking hour watching Mark fuck around having to like figure out romance. You're like, God damn it, we only got, I've got three more episodes after this. For fuck's sake, I wouldn't mind if I had eight, but they made me, they gave me four. So I think that's the, like, TLDR. All these I hate about invincible is that they split it in half. The thing is, don't do that ever again. The thing is, I get, I get the point of like what it adds

to the story and what it adds to like the character, but like it just, at the end of day, I just didn't find it like engaging to be like, oh, okay, I got a, oh, I mean, I, I, I thought it's that it's like their way of showing that Mark is more human than his dad. Yeah, yeah. And I like that. I like that. I get that. But I mean, then his dad's going to be like, hold on, I feel the same.

Maybe I don't know. Just like me for real. Yeah. You know, and I get that. But at the same time, it's, it's just this thing where I get the purpose. But at the same time, I can't stop this part of my brain from being like, oh, okay. I get what you're trying to do. But can we just, can we just get to the shit I care about?

Can we actually just get to the shit I care about? That's how you know you've watched too much anime. The reason you care about Mark is because of all this shit. If Mark was just only hitting like slapping people around, you'd be like, I shouldn't gojo in it. Just whatever. A lot of people care about that. Well, people don't care about Gojo because they want to fuck Gojo.

Yeah, exactly. It's a very different. It's a very different. Different priorities. It's a very different thing. I saw a list, actually. It was like, I think it was like the Japanese rankings of the ship. in Jiu-Zitika-Sin.

Did you see this? And only one out of the top 20 was hetero. Yeah. The rest were all Homo ships. It was so funny. It was if I can find the list. Japan is so horny. It's incredible.

It's incredible how horny they are for, like, homo relationships. I got something to add on to this winner after Joe. Yeah. Okay, so I found it. It is the top 20 Giuse to Kaysen ships in Japan, 2024. And this is gathered from Pixiv.

And only one of them is head on. is hetero. The only hetero one is number six, which is Gojo and Utahima. Who the fuck's Utahima in it? I don't know. I'm not a... I don't remember that.

I liked it, but I don't remember that. But the number one, by far. Oh, I know, I know, yeah. What is it? Gojo and Yuji. Yeah, it's Gojo and Yuji. This is shit, shit. And then number two is Gojo and Megumi,

and then Gojo in Getho and then Sukina and Yuji. Megumi Yuji, Sukina Megumi, Megumi, Nanami Yuji. They literally just listen to the popular characters. Yeah. Also, my boy Toto isn't on there, which is a big fucking... Toto's not in this top 20. Did you hear about Freeran's popularity poll?

No, no. So, uh, free ren, the manga, also did a popularity poll. Okay. Okay. Do you wanna guess where Freeran came? Probably like seventh. She came fifth. I'm not surprised.

I'm not surprised. I don't really like. Fee ran that much. Who did you think came number one? Stark? No. Fran? It was Himmel.

Himal came number one. My him was kind of. Himal. Okay. But who do you think came number two? It's got me stark. Come on, my boy. Stark.

It was aura. Huh? Orra. Oara? The fuck. The fucking little. No, not the armpit girl. You know.

I'm terrible remembering. You know the little small, little fucking demon lord that like, like, off to self? Why is she number two? Because she sees Japan in it. Okay. That's concerning. Who's number three? Number three was, uh, fun. Number four was, uh, Ubel. The, the, the armpit girl. The armpik. Where's Stark? Stark is seventh. What the fuck? Dude. Okay, have you, have you all watched Reevan? Yes. Yeah. The biggest injustice in that show is Stark having to put up with these two socially ass inept women.

So annoyed. I feel so bad for Stark. Star got beaten by that one little fucking demon girl that appeared for like one episode. Who is that girl? Oh my God. That's the girl that like Fern defeated in like one episode. I, she came sick.

The most, whenever Fern gets pissed off at Stark, I'm like, you are in the wrong. You are the problem here. Why are you acting like? He did anything wrong. I'm, I just so worked up, man.

That is not the same. That is the most Japan pole I've ever seen. And I'm like, wait, actually, this checks out because apart from Himal, being an absolute giga chat, this checks out to how much fan art I've seen of each of these characters. Yeah, totally. So this. I cannot stand Fern in the show.

I love the show. Yeah. Whenever Fern talks, she's just always so selfish. I'm like, I can't do this. I can't watch this. No, she's like, I think she's like, I think she's an accurate representation of just a fucking teenage girl.

She's a really well-written character because... That's why I hate her, though. She's just... But I can't look away. It's a very good show. I mean, it's an amazing show. Yeah.

I do think that the last dark was a little long compared to the rest of the show, the pacing-wise, but it was still a bang of a show. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I mean, like, I get what you're talking about,

but at the same time, I'm like, I've met girls like fun. Like, you know, they, they have, they have trouble verbalizing their feelings like the right way. So it comes out in like a completely different way. But that's why it's good because I dislike her.

Yeah. I would never want to be around a character like that. But that's why it's so good. Because not other animas. I'm like, man, I just don't care. Yeah. But like I actively, whenever I'm watching them, I'm like screaming at the TV,

like trying to backseat. But that's why it's so good because I'm so invested. Yeah. It's so good. And free rent. Oh my God. They don't get restarted. Also, I mean, Himmel, what the fuck, man?

Just say something. What the fuck? Bro, what do you mean? That is the most unrealistic part of that show is that he was that horny for that long and didn't say anything. I feel like, I feel like. A man that egotistical didn't think like, they like, oh, okay. I was just bottled to someone. No, no, no.

I'm, I'm, motherfucker. I'd rather die tithes to my grave. Man took it to his grave. I'm, I'm, I'm on defend him. He's undefendable. No, no, no, I'm not defend him all here, right? Because like, when you, okay, when you get to the stage, okay, okay. He's like, you arguing he was in too deep.

Okay, okay. He felt like, imagine this, imagine this, imagine this, all right. Tell you tell your bros. All right, so I put a ring on, on this girl that I like. Yeah. She didn't say anything. She didn't reciprocate anything. Okay.

Okay. I don't know. I feel like. I feel like being friends are in here. I feel like... At which point, at which point, I feel like he has done enough for like a lot of people to like,

aside from everyone but free run. This is like more free run. This is a free run thing. If it was any other girl, they would have gotten the hints like 10 episodes ago. Okay, here's what I would argue, right? Let's say if him was a realistic person, right? Would he go to the fucking grave?

Never talking to another. woman never like marrying elsewhere he's just like yeah I just kind of accepted that she wasn't into me never asked never checked I'm just going to go to the grave be happy that she didn't visit me for 40 years and just die single motherfucker what you never got you okay you tell me you had all these years to move on and potentially like find someone else no I was just be so into the fact that he's so in love with her but couldn't have the thought to maybe ask her maybe that she's just socially inept and that you could be like hey free ran ah this is me saying I like you How do you feel back?

Just so I know so I can move the fuck on. God damn it, Himmel. That's the most bullshit part about Himmel is that he didn't say anything. That man who won't shut the fuck up about himself, suddenly now he wants to shut the fuck up for 80 years? Unbelievable. I don't believe him. No shot.

Look, look. Freerun was the one who was just like, I'm a yeat, guys. I'm a fuck off. There's no way that his Christian bro wasn't going to be like, bro. Come on. Come on. Come on now.

Either say something or go. Come on. We know he would have, right? Also, that's the worst part about the show. They got rid of the guy who likes all the women halfway through. And I'm like, I'm. Do you know why? Do you know what?

Because like this, this. Because he solved all of that drama. Yeah, yeah, he did. It drove me insane when he left. I was like, there's no more sane people in the room. Honestly, the whole time I was thinking, I was like, you know what, Stark? Yeah, you should have ran away with the monk out. You should have gone with him.

You probably would have lived a chat. life being happy and not having to deal with Fern and her bullshit. Like, like, the monk was just like, the monk was us. The monk was there to like say what we were feeling. And then the author was like, wait, this is actually two O.P. This is, this is too much EQ right now. I'm going to, I'm going to like, fucking. He's solving every situation too.

Imagine if you have an adult in the room. God forbid, God forbid you have an adult to be like, hey guys, maybe you should just talk to each other. Yeah. Yeah, literally the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the scene after he's like, hey guys, I think you guys should talk to each other about this. But like, all right, see you guys. I'm done my job.

This solves too much of the show. He was like the social equivalent of like having Gojo in your story. Yeah. But instead of like being OPE and powers, he was just OPEC by just being mature. I'm just being social. He was like, he was like, fuck, I've written myself into a corner. I don't know what to take the story anymore. He's like, no, I'm going to write them out.

I'm going to write them out. There's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's not, Feroon doesn't, like, uh, make her a, like, when she's like, just thinking, she's like, I'm just gonna do my own thing. Yeah, free, free, free run to me, she's chill, she's chill. She's chill. Free run to me has made the character trope that I despise the most actually, likeable. I think it's, it's presented in the way where it, it's framed in a way that makes a lot

sense to the viewers. Yeah. And like come like a lot of the the consequences of it also. I think it's the best thing. Yeah. And it's not like she doesn't see any consequences. Yeah. It's not like the, oh, I have no emotions. Oh, oh, I'm a kudori. Oh, what is? Yeah, she didn't Nagato yuki that shit, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or it's just like, oh, I'm just an alien. I can't actually talk. I'm like, no. Yeah. Stop. No. No. It's like in, not to throw it back, but like, like, like, like Norigami, right? Where the god of death who's been around

for hundreds of years has just never had to mature because he's just a fucking loser kid. Wow, that's a real... I had to think about that for a second. I was like,

what's what reminded me of? Where you go with Norogami? Because, you know, he's like a god who's been around for a while and you think gods would be so mature but he's never had to address

any of this shit. So when he goes to the human world, he's like, oh shit. Yeah, he's like, oh wow, I'm an actual child. I'm impressed that you remember the plot to Norigami.

I just remember that he... I don't. Remember he was annoying. I liked him, but he was annoying. Connor does that quite a bit, actually, where he mentions, like, while we're talking about something else, you mention an anime from way back when, where I'm like, fuck, I'm shocked you remember that.

I remember, like, fuck, how many episodes ago it was, I think it was another drunk episode on this topic. And you randomly brought up Black Bullet. I love Black Bullet, just for like weird shit. Do you fucking remember that show? Yeah. Did you remember the monoliths? What a weird thing that was?

But, like, the fact of that I'm just like, I just remember those lollies. We don't know. We don't talk about that. I remember the one scene I remember. I'm just, yeah. This is the one scene I remember when I'm definitely blanked whatever the scene is.

I don't know what you try is. When he, I think he saved a school or something. Yeah. He's just like all of the children were just like fucking hugging him. I definitely just forgot that. Yeah. Did you reckon it came from like a weird angle? Oh, it definitely because I remember

like, because I remember this watching this way back when, even, you know. Well, yeah, because the main girls are lolly, remember? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, clearly there was, like, some kind of implication with that. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest. I just, I just, like, consumed. I don't think I ever thought about shows. No, no, this was, like, even before I ever, like, thought about shows.

But even there were, like, a few scenes where I'm just like, that's, uh, that's weird. That's a weird angle to go from. Weird. I just didn't think anything of it when I was, like, 20. But I think it's the older I get, the more I'm like. Yeah. All I remember was like, oh, the masked man was pretty cool.

Yes. That's what I remember too. And the model lifts were weird. That's the only thing I remember. But yeah, I'm, I mean, I really enjoy Free Rent. I think that it's done something amazing because I, I think a lot of the times is that when they, when they make socially awkward or inept characters, I feel like it comes from a place of actual just not understanding social situations. And, and, but I feel like to write a character like Free Rent, you need to understand social situations so well.

Yeah. To be able and also what someone who is maybe socially awkward would feel, like genuine empathy towards that, to be able to write characters this well. Especially as like writing teenagers is hard. Because teenagers don't make fucking sense. No. Teenagers are fucking done.

Yeah. And they annoy the shit out of us. Absolutely fucking losing. I mean, Invincible. I mean, even though they're not teenagers, like 20. I don't know how long they're out. They're in college.

I mean, they're technically teenagers when they're insufferable. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I don't want to fucking watch kids.

I don't want to watch 20 year olds. I'm dumb. I'm too old for the shit. Okay, there is something that happens when I don't know what age it is, but it's like,

definitely after like 23 where I just start to become like, I can't relate to you guys anymore. We're not the same. You and I. Well, that's the school just getting, that's called getting older.

It's called being jaded. Yeah, but like I hang out with like, if I hang out with like, I mean, like, Pete's like 40 and I, there's like no, I feel like no difference. Yeah, but I feel like, yeah, after like 25, it's like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

You know, a lot, you can relate to like any age. Because you've paid, you've gone through enough tax cycles, you've gone through enough shitty things happening. You're like, I get it now. You've got adulted, you've gained adult experience enough. You've dealt with enough bullshit to know that there's only like more bullshit that you want to deal with. Yeah.

You know. The road is looking dark and you're not fully aware of it. You know, you know how, I loved the fucking, I forgot his name, but the fucking old guy, loved him so much in Free Run, the old magic guy, the old magical. Huh? The one with the monocle and the beard. Oh, that guy. Oh, the guy who was just like, yo, I'm out of, I might be out of manner, but I ain't out

of options, baby. I love him. I love him so much. That, because like, oh, that's, that's like such, that was one of the, like, one of the best character writing moments where I was just like, okay, I thought you introduced this guy for me to like hate this guy. And I'm like, wait, he's like the realest one out of everyone taking his exam up right now. He is the sanest guy in the room. Yeah, yeah. And I love him so much. Yeah. It's just such a good character. And I think, again, that's what the show has done so well. And the

reason why I think we've been sprawled this seat like last season because we had that show and then we had Apocatheria where like just real fucking good writing of characters. Yeah. You know, because Free Wren, you know, and also, I mean, it also was a spectacle in every other sense. But it was amazing. I'm so pumped for more of it. I'm, and 28 episodes, what a fucking amazing way to watch the show. Do you think it felt like all year we had it? Do you think it deserves number one of all time?

Not yet. It's getting there. See, here's the thing. Here's the thing. That's a bloat, a blunt hit. You got to, f, here's the thing. Not yet. Not yet.

Cigar Pupp. Yeah. Here's the thing. Me discussing free rem with the boys, smoking a cute. I don't know about that yet. It's always like, it's always like, everyone I asked this question, because I said the exact same thing. I'm like, it's not ready. It's like, it's not ready.

But like, but like, but like, when I think about it, I'm like, can I, can I say anything bad about free rent? It's just like, not really. Maybe the last arc went on for a bit too long. Well, I do think that's fair to admit. I think I know people, I saw some people say out on Twitter and they got like destroyed, but I just do think it was like a little slow. I like lost. Well, it was just jarring for the first few episodes because it went from such a highly-paced adventure

that was, I mean, highly-paced. Highly paced. Well, it was like they would go through time in a speed that was quite consistent. Sure. And then suddenly they were like, this episode was 20 minutes. Yeah.

And it was real time, like, in world 20 minutes as well. And you're like, okay, hold on now. This is quite a different speed. I also did not care for armpit lady as much as I think Twitter does. Yeah. Yeah, but that's, That's the fan.

She's like a DJ and litmus test. Like, I think if you look at her and you see her armpit and you're super into it. It's not the up. The armpit was like, the cherry on top. It was her as a character. People just like crazy chicks. All right. Let's just let's just say it out of it.

Have we not learned from Muraniki, bro? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. They may come in different colors, different flavors, but, bro, boys be liking crazy chicks no matter what, the matter what. She was my whack. Yeah, she was actually probably my least favorite character, actually, I think. And whenever she was on screen, I was like,

yeah, but she was there to get, like, the fucking sales up, you know? Yeah, she was there to be like, they were like, well, we have freer-in, but maybe we should have one more character figure sales just to make sure. We need some edge in there. We need someone. Do you more ship options. Yeah.

We need more Dogeon bait, bro. Yeah, yeah, exactly. She does feel like Doge and bait. Of course. They sometimes don't like, like the fucking American Psycho card scene that like, what about this one? And they're like, hmm,

yeah, good. Spacing is perfect. Spacing. Just the right amount of crazy. Green puke hair. Hmm, short skirt.

Yeah, we can work with this. Yeah, we can work with it. It does feel that way. Like, you see, perfectly designed. Let's see the armpit real quick.

It just feels like that, dude. It feels like it was made for no ginsia. Yeah. I feel like there's no other, like, I don't know. I mean, it's funny because coming from Freer and the manga, I think we've briefly talked about this,

but this, Freer and the manga, when I read it originally was the most, like, anti-Dogyn show. Oh, yeah. Dojin title I've read because it was so fucking emotional and... No, that's the thing. The more emotional?

The more... The more dogen. You see? I feel like it's changed. I feel like times has changed. I was thinking about this. And, you know, there was a time when the most dogen

happened to the characters that were fan service the most. You go back to the Monagatu era. So many fucking Molygathe. To love her. And now you look at like Wifu bait shows and a lot of them actually don't have as many dogens as shows like free run.

Well, I think because when you don't present everything, the imagination does the rest. Yeah. And I think that's what does so well with artwork. I feel like because the new generation has grown up with so much more exposure of like, you know, horny culture. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, it is. I guess horny culture that it's just, it's just like if you see someone, if you see a character who is just there for fan service, it's just like, well, I see this in my Twitter timeline every fucking day. Yeah. Please do something new. It's like, it's not enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But when you get like one arm pit, you're like, oh. Wait, hold on, hold on. It's like, they're not, the barrel isn't completely empty. There is ammunition in this gun. Wait, wait, wait, she just showed her armpit just when she was, this was like a random battle scene, but I just got distracted, you know. It's just like the, the barrier for fan service is just, it's either completely degenerate or people calling, okay, here's, okay, opinion, opinion.

When Free Wren was just hanging out on the bed and there was just a shot, with her, like, feet, just like, just like, hang out on her bed. Does that count as fan service? Yeah. For people who love feet, yeah. You don't have to put that in. Bro, ask Quentin Tarantino.

You don't got to put that in. Yeah. There's no reason to animate that. Okay, okay. What are you showing? What are you gaining? But the thing is... You know what you're doing when you do that.

Okay, but the thing is, like what... The thing is, because you look at that scene and it's just like, oh, okay, it's just a girl. They put the dogs out in frame. It's just a girl hanging out. It's not like, it's not like, it's not like, it's not like, you look, like, it's not like Quentin Tarantino fucking fucking, uh, on bed, bro. I wear socks and beds on ice right before if it's a chilly day. It looks chilly and free ring.

Wait, did, you fucking serious? No, I don't sleep in the socks. But like, if I'm like going to bed or like I'm just chilling in bed for a little while, I'll keep the socks on. I want to keep, I want to keep warm. Do you not do that? That's diabolical. What's wrong with putting socks in bed?

Do you, no, I'm not sleeping. Wait, wait, wait. Are you? My feet, my feet, my feet wrong. I don't have the covers. My feet run really cold. You don't, my feet don't get cold. Wait, wait, wait.

My feet are like bone ice after. What, what do you mean no? No. Okay. As soon as my feet are cold. As soon as my, as my feet, as soon as my feet go undercover, that is like a no sock zone. Yeah, like, okay.

Well, no, I have the problem where, you know, even if it's like, even remotely chilly outside, or even if it's in summer I put the AC on, like my body will be perfect, my feet will be like rock solid ice. I think I have really bad circulation. No, my feet are like the first things to sweat. No, dude.

On my body. My feet never sweat. Socks are the first thing I take off. Sometimes I have to wear it because otherwise my feet feel like they're in rigormortis. No, if I don't feel the 1,000 thread count of my sheets bare on my feet, then like it's not right. The message is when I go to,

you've been doing a really nice hotel bed and you're like, can I just, how would you get this? Do you wear? Okay. Do you wear, okay, wait, do you wear socks inside? Yeah, yeah, of course. Like, let's say it's a weekend.

You're not going anywhere. Yeah, I'm not a savage. No, hell, no. Am I the weird? No, no, you and I are the same. Okay. The only time, hell, sometimes I don't even wear socks when I go outside. But like, that's the only answer here.

That's the only thing. I would like to remind you, it is purely out of it. My feet run fucking cool of the shit. For me, if it's, if I'm not standing. on ice directly, I will not have socks on. Listen, I'm sure that if you're watching this, you have poor circulation in their limbs, who can, who can, a skill issue.

So if you ask you. What the fuck is poor circulation? What does just get people's fingers and feet run way colder? Just move your toes around a little bit. That's not how that works. Just move your toes around, yeah. Just do one of these with your toes, you know, just warm them up a bit.

I, like, I only wear some. socks if there is what like maybe guests around. Yeah. But if I'm like if I'm like by myself, it's the if it's the weekend, I'm not going. Oh, dude, I didn't even put socks on with this guest. If my socks, if my socks are too cold, I turn the heating up. Yeah. That means the heating in my house is too cold. That's that's not that's, that's, that's, that's the one thing where I hate slippers. Well, I love slippers. I hate slippers because my feet gets so sweaty. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. You get it. Right. You get it. Okay. So you. You get it. Okay. So you. You, So what your guys are describing is that you both just have good circulation in your feet and they are warm.

Maybe a little too good. Yeah, because mine, I put slippers on is perfect. No, when I put, it could be like, like no heating on cold as shit outside. The moment I put slippers on, I'm like, my feet feel disgusting. I mean, yeah, you're, I'm sweating into these slippers. It's not a big deal. We just have different circulation. Yeah, but I just don't like it.

Yeah, but also, do you find socks comfortable? Yeah. Do you? Depends on the socks. for me. Why wouldn't you find the, you need a good pair of socks. That's what it sounds like. Yeah. Okay, I spent like five years finding the best. I could, I could, okay, here's a thing. All right, all right. I went to like, how, how often? Okay, this is the game completely different. How often do you like just hang out in your house with like the least amount of clothes on possible?

Like no, no, no trousers on, no trousers on, never, never, never, never. I don't want my, bare skin touching my couch and my PC. Okay, is this a hot take? to say that you know how like it's like the fucking whole like gamer thing of like oh i'm not wearing pants today yeah yeah yeah i hate not wearing pants yeah i hate not wearing pants yeah i don't want my best skin touching my game no i don't the only time i'm not wearing pants is when i'm going to bed yeah which is where like i just have like a t-shirt and undies on even sitting on my couch my couch is like this material it's not it doesn't feel good on you i just yeah i don't want to not wear pants oh fuck but sometimes it just feels so freeing it doesn't you know

I feel like some plenty free. You need to, sometimes it just feels free. These pants are so baggy, it's amazing. Yeah, that's why I wear the baggy pants because it's comfortable and I'm still free because my balls can still bring. It's always free. Like sometimes it's like a hot summer's day and you're just like... We're shorts, brother?

Shorts. Literally like very, the trash taste shorts that we have are perfect. The Hawaii shorts that we have. Trash days are short, by the way. To me, they're not selling anymore. Fuck. But if you bought them. You know how breathable that shit is.

No, see, that's the one thing, like, it's, for the longest time, it's been a staple on the internet of like, oh, it's a no-pants kind of day. Like, I'm not wearing pants when I'm gaming, blah, blah, blah. I'm not like, no, that feels, I feel perverted in my own house. You know, like, I feel like I'm exposing to myself. That's just a mental diff, mate. No, it's just like, no, the mental dip is you have some kind of disease where, like, you don't like cloth on your like fucking hamstrings.

Maybe I want to be naked, you know, maybe. Because I don't like, I don't really like wearing clothes when I like sleep because I feel like that's less like constricting. Even a t-shirt? What do you wear when you go to sleep? Most are just boxes. So no shirt. Depends on how cold it is. Right. Especially if it's like a summer. I only wear shirts in like the winter. Just put the AC on, dog. Joey, that fucking energy bill, mate. That that fucking energy bill.

Think about the fucking energy bill, do you see how many lights are on in the studio? This is a studio where we're filming things, Joey. This is not the same thing, Joey. It's not the same thing. It doesn't matter in Japan because of the fucking humidity, bro. It's like, oh, it's hot, just open the window. It's like, no, it's hotter outside

because it's the fucking humidity. God's complaining about like, oh, like, I always say like, oh, you know, even if it's hot, like the middle of the summer, right? I still want to at least sleep with like a t-shirt on. Because I have the AC on anyway. I'll sit with any clothes on. Like none at all. Normally just boxes.

Just boxes. Yeah, if it's fucking hot as shit, I will. What do you mean? No, every time. Yeah. Every time. Just like, unless it's like really cold, then I'll wear a t-shirt. A t-shirt at most.

I can't wear like long sleeves. Oh, no, long sleeve is just psychotic. So even in the winter, I don't wear long sleep. Yeah, I don't understand where people sleep with t-shirts on. Do you know what I have to? You're already surrounded by clothes. I have to sleep with the t-shel. Do you know the one thing I don't understand?

Oh, pajamas. Yeah, I don't get pajamas. I don't get pajamas. I don't get pajamas. Like, like, okay, there's like two levels of this. I don't understand pajamas, but on the, on like, the thing that I think is like something that I, like, you might as well do, like, quadratic equations in a different fucking universe.

when people go in holiday and they specifically pack pajamas to go on holiday, I'm like, what the fuck? You are taking up space to put pajamas in your bag that is taking up weight and space where you can just

not put that in? That is like psychology evolved to be so unnecessary. Yeah. Like you don't need pajamas. You literally have sheets. You have two pieces of big clothing. We need a phase out.

We need to phase out pajamas like we phased out like pajama hats, you know? I think there's a... Like, we just get rid of that shit. Like, those are tight though. The hats? They look so cool. And then you get like,

p-a-da-mo-oo. Like Pinocchio ass. Fucking aesthetic, you know. I could, I couldn't wear that on a daily basis. But no, every time we go on holiday. Relian said it's actually good for your hair. Manning told me that once.

Man, says a lot of things. Mains is a lot of things that I don't believe. Hats are good to avoid hair damage while you sleep. Meryon also says, that odors other animals or some shit like that. I think they do. Probably they do. I don't know. I don't know.

Other authors, I don't know. No, dolphins do. That's... I've heard this before. Because Sydney always... Okay, here's the thing. Sydney always says this whenever I mentioned fucking dolphins. Yeah.

And I'm like, okay, logistically, like, they're like, oh, dolphins have done that to humans before. I'm like, I don't believe you. Why don't they have? they have. Okay, logistically, no Googling, no fucking Googling, logistically, explain to me how that is possible. What, a dolphin having sex with a human? No, no, no, a dolphin, R-wording a human. Well, because dolphins apparently... What is this episode? Because it's a drunk episode. Because dolphins, from what I remember, dolphins, along with monkeys and humans, are the only animals in the

animal kingdom that have sex for pleasure. Yes, I know that. Yes. So the argument can be made that any animal that has sex for pleasure also has the mental capacity to be able to outward. Mental capacity. I'm talking about physical capacity here. Well, tell me, don't get too close to a dolphin, but they're faster than you in the ocean. Like, like, what is, what is, what is the logistical way that, that happens?

I just like, I don't know, man, dolphins are smart. Why do you think they made like a fucking contraption? Yeah, they're figuring out of way. It's in fucking goblin slayer, Joey. They don't have appendages, man. Dolphin slayer. I don't know, is the answer to your question. I don't think it's just something we research.

Yeah. No, yeah. Yeah. But it's like something that Ciny and Malin tell me all the time, and I'm like, that sounds unrealistic. Mali just wants to do it on everyone, even if it's dolphin. Mayden's like, oh, you like this cute, cuddly thing?

Well, by the way, let me tell you- You never know, like, if we could be talking about this and it's been so widespread, but like, it could literally be like the Mew under the truck of the animal kingdom. Like, it's just like bullshit that people have just, like, believed over the years. Because it's like, oh yeah, there's enough evidence

to like support it, but like, we don't have any direct evidence of it, but it's probably possible. It's like, I don't know. I've never seen footage of it. What? I don't think we're filming it. I don't think anyone's filming it. That's just a snuff film.

I've never heard stories about it. Yeah, I've never heard stories about it either. Except through... Except through Maline. Except through Maline. And, uh, city. Yeah. Yeah.

So, but apparently it is possible. But also I don't want to Google it. I don't want to Google it either. I don't want to see that shit. I'm going to let you run your course on this debate. That sounds horrible. Can we chase the topic? Let's just a topic.

I'm gonna take a quick picture. Why the fuck are we talking about? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how we got to this topic. Oh my God. But yeah, going back 70,000 topics ago, uh, you have to play Earthbound. Why are you bringing that up?

Because I really, because I've been recently replaying Mother 3 because it recently came out on the Switch. Only in Japan, though. Okay. Uh, because Mother 3 never came out of Japan. Yeah, I know. I know in the US.

No. What? There's no English, there's no official English translation. of Mother 3. Yeah, it never came out in the US, is what I was saying. What?

It never came out in the US. It never came out outside of Japan. Oh, I think you said it never came out in Japan. No, no, outside of Japan. I was like, I think you mean... Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, they won't do it. And they still won't do it after all this time.

I don't think I'll ever do it. No, because I remember I saw on Twitter, when Nintendo announced that, oh, we're gonna report Mother 3 to the Nintendo Switch online thing for the Game Boy Advance Simulator. People are like, but is there in English translation? They were like, no.

And then a bunch of people were tweeting at Itoi, the creator, just being like, what the fuck? All this time? And you haven't done an English translation? And then It toy was just like, guys, don't complain to me about this shit. It is weird. I got nothing to do with it. I got nothing to do with it. And also kind of cruel to make a game series where you make three games.

Yeah. And then you don't translate the last one. And Mother 3 is fucking amazing as well. And not to mention that Lucas in Smash is from Mother 3. And the fact that people all over the world have been playing Smash Bros and just being like, I don't know who this fucking Lucas dude is.

What are you doing, God? What are you doing? I could have done this. I could have done this for you if you wanted. You just stood there like an MPC. What are we talking about? I'm trying to convince Connor to play Earthmail. Why didn't you tell him to play it?

I'm convinced you both of you to play Earth now. Because you know he won't play it. You know there's a chance I might. Yeah, there's a chance. I have a... You know he's not going to play it. 2024's really fucked when I know Connor has a better chance of playing a JLP. I recommend than Garn is.

Bro, I'm just in... Garn, like, like, fucking free rent. Gunn's like like a hundred-year list that he's trying to work through. And he doesn't realize that. I don't know. I'm like... He's going to become him or the hero before he becomes free ran in this situation. He can get through the whole list.

Like, when I get a recommendation, when I watch or play things, I've realized how important it is just to be in the mood for something. I don't know. Like, I've watched shows that have been good and, like, I guess I've, like, forced myself to watch, like, keep up with current conversations. And I just haven't enjoyed it because I just wasn't in the mood for it, you know what I mean? But there's some, sometimes, I don't know, sometimes I get influenced by different things where I'm like, I'm, I really, really feel like watching this kind of show. And I don't know what external factors influence that, but I feel like, I, I feel like, I, I watched Blade Runner 2046 recently. And that was... First time watching it? First time watching it.

Oh, wow. And I feel like I would not have enjoyed that film if I just wasn't... I got into this hole of like this like deep sci-fi hole. I watched like another film like X Machina as well, which I think is like fucking an amazing film as well. But these are two like... Oh, that's a great movie. Yeah, these are two like very specific films on like very specific niches that I got into

because I was like, I just want to watch sci-fi. I just really want to watch something to sci-fi. And I just want to be, like, immersed in this world. And, you know, I bring up Blade Runner because I was like, this is like a very, I'm not going to say art house film, but it's a very like... I mean, I watched it in cinemas and I left being like, what did I watch?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I'm good it. Yeah, yeah, it was very... Have you seen the original? Have you seen the original? I've watched it like as a kid. I'll be like, the Harrison Ford one.

Yeah, yeah, I watched as a kid. He's in this one too. Oh, yeah, but I mean like the first. The OG. Yeah, I know, no, no. Back on Harrison Ford. Is that really like he, like tears in the rain? Is that when he like used to act?

Because he just doesn't act. Yeah, when he used to be an actor, yeah. Chris's explanation of Indiana Jones that he one is so funny. He's just like, it's Harrison Ford depressed in a room. That's a movie. You're like, what? I feel it's like the last couple of Harrison Ford films. I mean, if I was that rich, I was your phone it in.

Like, yes. I'd be like, I don't get a fuck. Yeah. I did Star Wars. Yes. God damn. I mean, he did phone it in a long time ago. Oh, yeah.

Fair enough to him. But like, yeah, like I was saying, I don't know. There's something in my mind, especially when I watch, watch, this is very bad, by the way. when I watch something or when I play something where subconsciously I'm like why am I watching this

or why am I playing it? Do you get what I mean where I'm like I want there to be a payoff? You know, I want there I want my time I want me to come out of a piece of media

and not feel like I wasted my time and I know that's like a really unhealthy mindset I don't know how to switch it off and I haven't been able switch is off. You got the YouTube brain. It's not the YouTube brain. Yeah, everything needs to be for a purpose. Everything has to have a reason. Yeah, I just, there have been like too many movies.

Which is ironic coming from the guy who watches all the Usser guys. Well, yeah, I know. That's the thing. That's the thing. With the Easter guys, I know what the expectation is. I'm like, so why don't you have those same expectations with just movies or games? Because they were like, you know what? Maybe it's fine if I don't come out of this with like a really like, you know, uh, fucking question, like esoteric question about like my existence or whatever, like a deeper understanding of something. It's not, it's not that because like, okay, let me re, let me rephrase that with Isakai, for example. Sure. I know the exact package I'm getting from that. I just want a quick, cheap thrill ride. All right, done and gun. I'm going to forget this.

If I'm watching something like, like Blade Runner, for example, if I wasn't in the sci-fi mood, I'm going to be like, what is, what is going on here? Why is Ryan Gosling just really fucking broody and lonely and really sad and all this shit? But like I was just like when I watched it, I was just, oh man, I just really want, I'm just in a mood to just be immersed in a different world and just a different futuristic world. And I was just like, that's just the kind of mood I'm in. And I watched it and I was like, holy shit, this is so fucking good. I just, I was, I just immersed myself in that. And I watched ex-Marcona because I was like,

Black Mirror isn't really doing it for me right now, but I really, really want to watch something Black Mirror-esque. So that's why I watched X-Machina. It was good. Yeah, watch Ex-Machina. God, X-Machina was such a good movie. Because it feels like a Black Mirror episode made by a different director.

Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. But yeah, it's like, for me, like the being in the mood to do a, certain thing is so important, which is why I will put off a piece of media for literally sometimes years or decades until I'm in like the exact right mood, which will happen sometime down the line. And then I'm going to enjoy it more. And I try not to pressure myself to keep up with certain things just because that's the hot new thing or that's the thing that people want me to do or play in that exact moment, film a To Alchemist, for example.

But will you ever be in the mood for it? Yeah, I mean, okay, here's the thing. I discovered 20th century boys very, very early on in my, like, weeb, like, in my anime fandom. You really fucked yourself over with that because you found P so early. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, I was, I remember it was like, just before moving to Japan, I was like, I think I'm in the mood to read this.

And then I read it. And then now it's my favorite manga of all time. It's my favorite manga of all time and I didn't rush it. I waited to a point where I was like, I think I'm gonna fully appreciate the story which is why I haven't read Poon Poon either because I'm not chronically,

I'm not chronically depressed enough. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, okay, okay, okay, I'll wait, I'll wait. Which is, yeah, I mean, that's what it is, right? You're like, when you get like that, that, like, sad, you're like, I need to know if someone else feels this way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're like, I'll look. And that's where, like, a story like that can really help, right? Yeah, because I feel like so much, so much for today is just like consuming, consuming, watch, watch, play the next thing, play the next thing. And sometimes you just want to like, all right, what am I actually in the mood for? Do I want to replay something? Or do I, do I want to watch something in, you know, a certain genre or like this really,

really weird niche genre? You know what? You know what niche genre I've been getting into on YouTube recently? What? Urban planning. What? I don't know why. Tell me you're in your mid-thirties.

What do you mean urban planning? Like city planning? I don't know. Because we were talking about like, we were talking about like city planning. And there's this YouTuber who I discovered recently that basically debunks every idea that Elon Musk has ever had.

Right. I can't remember his name. I think he's like, I know the squirrel for a profile picture. I can't remember. I don't know. You will know if you watch any of his videos. And he'll be like, trains are the solution.

Like every solution is fixed with building more trains. And you're like, wait, wait, actually, you're kind of right. Or buses. Or buses. No one likes that buses are the solution. But it's always buses. Buses always fix the problem. Yeah.

annoyingly. But from watching these videos, I'm just like, I should play SimCity. No. I should play like City Skylines. I don't know. I don't know. Like, like, we played, we played risk, and then I went home and played risk on PC.

It was not fun. It was not fun. Why wasn't it fun? You're just playing against five people online that you don't, like. Yeah, that is an IRA game. Risk is about like the looking the person in the eye. You know you're about to fuck them over. Like five players was a lot.

Yeah. That would take so long. And also the turns take so long. Yeah. Because I normally, when I play video games or board games, I feel like I am in the fast turn. club where I'm like, I'll just get my turn down right now. I've already planned it.

I'm not going to sit here for 50 minutes and waste everyone's fucking time while I decide what I'm going to do. I already planned it. Yeah, let's do it. That's fair. Online, not fun. That's why I can't play multiplayer sieve. Oh, right.

So slow. It is very, very slow. Yeah. But like that came out at a time where like we had the time to spare. You know, like when I was in like high school playing fucking sieve two with my friends over a land party. Like we had all the time in the world. We've made too much good stuff now.

There's not enough time. Yeah. We've made too much bangers. That is true. Slow down. I think the next RPG I'm going to stream. Because I'm, when are you going to stream something?

Sorry? When are you going to stream something? Good. I think I'm going to stream Underdale. I've never experienced Undertail. The problem is I want to marathon it. And you can easily do it in one stream. I cannot do.

I cannot do, like, how long's it take do you finish Undertail? 12 hours? Like one, one ending? I don't know, like one play through. Yeah. 10 hours? 10 hours?

Not even, I don't think, actually. I don't check. I'm pretty sure it's not that long because I remember I used to, like, for fun, I would do one of the endings pretty quickly. How long to beat Undertale? Because I thought it was like 15, so I was like, oh, that's seven hours.

Seven hours? Yeah, it's short. And then obviously... But is that like the... Is that like near ending? Or is that like the ending? No, it's an actual ending. No, I mean, there's multiple endings.

But I think I would say, unlike other video games, to get the other endings, it is a completely different story. Yeah, it is a completely... So that's why I asked, is it like the near ending A or was it? No, it's like a completely different...

It doesn't build on the previous ending. It's a completely different way of playing the game. Your actions actually have consequences. Yeah. whole point. And there's like three main endings, I'd say. Genocide, pacifist, and regular. Like regular. Yeah, I guess. So just play it, play it normally. Play it normally. And if you like it, then you can do like genocide. Yeah, because I realize I just can't do multi-day streams for a single video game, I guess. But yeah, you can experience most of, you could probably do two endings in like

12 hours or like 13 if you rush the second one. Yeah. Because the other ones are, once you, once you do one ending, you can just look and be like, how do I get the other endings? Like, what do you have to do? And then once you just read the criteria, you'll be good to go. Yeah, okay. Because I, because, yeah, my stream, I say, like, my stream stamina is just, like, really hard after it.

You could have built it up. I have been trying to build it up, and I think I've just hit the wall. I've hit the wall. What's your wall? Like eight hours. Are you starting, like, when you wake up or, like, are you waiting a couple of hours? I okay I can't just like switch on after I wake up

like I need I need an hour for like I know I to be fair I normally prefer an hour I haven't an hour even when I did like the streams or I'll sleep on stream I'll like fuck off for an hour yeah just while I wake up

because I can't I can't talk right away yeah I just actually like one hour but sometimes I'll spend like four hours in the morning doing all the stuff and then I'll stream and I'm already quite tired like three hours in yeah because I could have you know done more but it's yeah it's all preference

Yeah, and it's also like I realize I need like a few hours to like wind down as well. Otherwise, I just can't sleep. I don't know. There's like too much adrenaline. There's too much adrenaline in my blood from like streaming all day that I just like, I guess I need to condition myself to like sleep. Like sleep right after I dream. But I realize if I have like. I rarely do.

I'm not only else. I'll watch YouTube videos for like half an hour before I fall asleep. Right. I need like two hours. That's a long time. That is a long time. That is a long time. That's a lot of YouTube shorts.

Two hours to fall asleep? No, no, if I'm like streaming. Oh. You know, if I'm like streaming and I need to like wind down. Because my, I think it just takes a long time for my brain to switch from like one mode to like another mode. So if I'm like in streamer mode, then it just I'm like in streamer mode and I can't fall asleep until like way later. I don't know. I don't know.

Maybe I don't fucking know. Maybe I'm just a skill issue. Maybe I'm just not a streamer, which I'm not. No, you are. You are. You're good. You got it. When are you going to stream more, Joey?

When are you going to stream more? When I get paid to. Joey. What do you mean you get paid to? No, well, because like when I started the nonsense thing and I like tried to go full on with it, like I had to fucking sacrifice something because I was like, if I continue to do everything that I'm currently doing on top of this, I'm not going to have any time left to do anything. That's fair.

So I was like, what's the one thing that I can sacrifice that. will like you know because like I think it took me because I've had a Twitch channel for as long as I've had a YouTube channel you know albeit not as consistent as my YouTube channel but I think it took me all this time to finally

realize that I'm just not built for streaming like I just I don't have the brain capacity to be able to do like seven eight hour streams like I've done a few seven eight hour streams I was fucking exhausted by the end of it like I had like almost like a stream hangover the next day Oh no, I've had that as well.

Yeah, like, I just like, it affects my next day. Yeah, I just like can't function the next day after like a really, really long stream. And that's when I kind of realized, like, I'm just not built for being in front of the camera for that long or like being entertaining for like that long without any breaks. Yeah. And, you know, maybe that is like the way that I'm like trying to think about streaming or like whatever it is. But like, yeah, I don't know. I thought like, what's the one thing that I can kind of sacrifice in order to do it? And I was like, yeah, probably streaming.

just because I never really took it seriously. It's always just been like a fucking shit post. Side gig. It's not even a side gig. It's just like something I just wanted to try. You know, and it's just like, yeah, it's just not really my thing. So that's where we are.

See, what I don't understand about you is your second channel videos where you can just like turn on without an audience and just like start talking. Oh no, I much prefer that because it actually gives me time to like internalize what I want to say and like I can kind of plan out like,

okay, this is how I want to phrase certain things. Whereas like if I'm put on the spot, I'm just, my brain just goes blank because I'm just sitting there like... The other thing I'd say is useful is that maybe you can, you'll get like live fact checkers. If you're saying something wrong, you don't publish it and it's really awkward

because you're like, I didn't get corrected. Yeah, well, I mean, that's why though, like, I also like just like recording my second channel stuff because it actually gives me time to like go into research. so that my stuff is as accurate as possible. Granted, I'm not perfect. You're your own fact checker? Yeah, I'm going to get shit wrong, of course.

But, you know, like, I get distracted when there's a live chat in front of me. Like, I'd be saying something, and I'd be trying to get my thought across, and then in my periphery, I would see something in the chat, and then my brain just gets distracted. I don't know. I just can't ignore them. I just can't ignore it.

It sounds counterintuitive. I need my chat to concentrate. Really? Because unless chat is there to check on me and to make sure I'm saying stuff, I'll just get distracted by something else. So like, if I know chat is there, I'm like, I need to finish my sentence.

No, I'm locked in. I'm locked in on what I want to say. Fair enough, fair enough. And if people don't like it, then they can write in comments. You deal with that shit later. Yeah, the future Joey will take care of that. Yeah, future Joey will take care of that.

Now, Joey is just like, I'm locked in. I know exactly what I want to. I know exactly how I want to phrase it. I'm going to say it. God, I wish that was me. I don't know, man. There's a part of me that's kind of jealous of you guys who can do streams like that

and just like not get as tired. Yeah, but I hate that like sometimes I'll go live and I finish and I'm just like I go to sleep. And I'm like, I haven't done anything today. I just sat here and spoken for like 19 hours. Yeah, that's why I can't street multiple days in the row. Yeah. Because I just, I feel like it's, it's the week's when I

stream more than like three times that I feel like a soul coming out of me. Well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, two weeks of Cyclathon. It's the most I've ever streamed, I think, in a row. Yeah. And it was fun.

But I think that's because I was outside. But you're doing something active. Yeah. But the day after, when I finished, I had nightmares that I was streaming. And I forgot to turn it off. I had, like, nightmares for like two days that I was, every time I went to bed, I thought I was streaming. That's terrifying.

And I was like, I woke up like, oh, oh, I'm sleeping. Okay. Conner is just in his bed. He's just like, what's up? I'm trying. Thank you the five years. I was trying to have this visceral weird thought of being

of sleep but being watched. Oh, that's terrible. It was a very weird feeling, yeah. But it was only two days. It passed very quickly. Only two days. Did you get that during the Sub-Athon at all? No, my sub-thorthons only five days.

Yeah, but he was only five days. Yeah, but the difference is he was actually. Yeah, I was actually sleeping. So I think that's the difference. Because I'm actually sleeping on camera. Your worry is like, oh, yeah, I am. But then otherwise I was like, I forgot to turn it off. You know what I mean?

That's what I had in my head. That's a nightmare. Have you ever forgot to turn your stream off? Yeah, I did. But I turned the camera off and mic off. But I just forgot to press end. So it's just a black screen. That's just free revenue.

That's what, that's what they, some streamers, when they had streaming contracts. They had to stream for X amount of hours. And when I got my contracts, I was one of the last ones. I noticed that they'd changed the hours to be like streamed out.

Like they worded it in a way that was like, yeah, not like black screen, not you were playing content or just running it. So I'm like, there's bastards who took advantage of these contracts. Put this in the system.

So I can't like... They were one of you. Yeah. So technically like sleeping shouldn't have counted or something. Yeah. All right. Maybe I'm not quite sure.

But I know that definitely some of the streamers literally just left their screen black and put text saying having to get stream hours in or something, which I think is unfair as well. I mean, you agree to your contract with them. Yeah, come on. It's unfair. But it's streamers, right?

They're going to like play the game, which is why those are streamers. Yeah. Which is like, you know, which is why the Twitch meta shifts every like five days when someone's like, okay. Stuff like that is that why, but that why a lot of people look at streamers is being like,

unreliable and unprofessional. Yeah. It's like, come on, man. If you said that you're going to stream 10 hours a month. Don't, stream 10 hours of fucking month. You know what I mean? Come on. You're getting paid how much money?

You can stream 10 hours a month. Yeah. You know what I mean? Don't like, like, I think that's shit like that is the only annoying part about streamers is that that's why everyone thinks we're lazy and shit at what we do. It's like because people do shit like that. Oh, well. Me, you'd be renting.

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