Trash Taste Podcast - We Hate Our Fans | Trash Taste #64

Episode Date: September 3, 2021

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That was like a me you did. I know. I'm just like, what? How can I make the most joey intro of all the time? Just like every convention of intros, throw that out of the window. Make some shit up. Yeah.

So how are you boys been? Good. Sweety. Sweety. It is still very hot. We've talked about summer already, but it is still very hot, very moist. It's still very...

It's still very... It's just like a conversation with my fucking dad. I know, right? I'm just like, yeah, I have to talk about the weather, before we jump into your conversation. Like, oh, it's weather, yeah. By the way, well, you're dying, granddad. But how is the weather, though?

Yeah, this feels like that. You're like warming us up for the trash takes episode. Because I feel like when you're British, you just, the first thing you wanna do is just talk about the weather, right? Or just complain about the weather, that's just part of British culture. Yeah. It's, I don't know why.

It's, like everywhere. Because the weather is shit. I feel like it's a test, it's like, are we gonna socialize in the normal capacity of the British standards? We talk about British weather first. I'm like, okay, I'm good, I know what I can talk about you now.

Or are we getting super? Yeah, I get it, because if they come at me with something like way left field, I'm like, all right, you're a weirder, right? Yeah, I gotta think about what's kinda come next. It's like the only icebreaker that's acceptable in British culture. If they're saying, you're having a nice day,

I think I'm talking to a psychopath. If they just ask me how the weather is, I'm like, okay, I can engage in a minimal conversation, I guess. Oh, even that's a left field like intro? I thought we were going like, super like, oh, so the price of gold recently is skyrocket. I think you've to understand

the sheer amount of skepticism that British people have. Like, asking how your day is, is like, is it good? And you're asking something's good. And no, it's not. You're British, so inherently it's not good. So, you know, asking how someone's day was

and expecting any other response and, oh, it's okay. Yeah. Is, you know, really. And when I say you start of talking about the weather, you never compliment the weather. It could be the best day ever, and your British people will find something wrong with it, you know. Oh, it's a bit breezy today,

and it's just like fucking 25 degrees outside, you know? Which is very hot in British terms, by the way. And now that I'm out there, it's perfect temperature. But yeah, how have you, what have you guys been up to? Something's been on my mind, gentlemen. I want to ask you, because I was thinking about this last night. I was turning over in my bed, wondering just. Really?

Oh, geez. I was like, I was like, do I have a weird opinion on this or not? So, do you read fan mail? No. Honest answer. Honest answer? Honest answer. No.

Okay, okay. You have to say it like that, Jay. You're like, those fucking fans. No, wait, wait, wait. Let me rephrase that. Depends. Okay. I don't want to sell like an asshole.

No, no, because like, a lot of fan mail I get is, Sometimes you get really weird fan mail. And my, like, we have Geeks Plus for a reason, right? It's the filter out of the, like, the, are you talking like physical fan mail? Are you talking like emails? Both, both. Okay, well, I read physical letters, obviously.

Yeah, but like- You get physical letters? Well, sometimes I do, yeah. How do you get physical letters? How do they know what I said it to? I don't know, they just send it to Geeks Plus. Oh, like, oh God. But like even like back, you know, during like the convention days and stuff like that,

like, you know, if it's handwritten, right, then of course I'm gonna take the time to read it because, you know, they put some time into it. Anyone can write, up an email in five seconds, right? So it's like, you know, emails, it's different story. If it's more than like two paragraphs, then I'll read it.

Yeah, just to see what's going on. You know, I was thinking about this, because I remember this whole thing that happened a long time ago with this YouTube right near, and it was this whole stupid drama. And, you know, one of the points that this guy prided himself on was the fact that he responded to every single fan mail he got. Okay.

Now, when you hear that as a viewer, you're probably thinking, that's amazing. That's great. That's a YouTube, when I think, I hear that, I'm like, oh, he's a psychopath. Yeah. That guy's bad news. Well, you, that sounds, that sounds so bad as a viewer I know.

But this is like, this is honestly one of the biggest. Yeah, that's, it is like, if you're a YouTuber, you know that, it depends on how big he is, right? Because you reach a point as a YouTuber where you're like, I'm gonna reply to every comment and be thankful to everyone. I'm gonna read all the comments. Yeah, which like, obviously we're thankful to our viewers, but you get past the point where it becomes unmanageable

to like respond to everyone. Yeah, which is, right. why it's like the thing of, you know, I'm not saying that, oh, you can't check them, you can check them, right? But like people who are so proud about the fact they keep up with so much of it. It's like, you know, you have to wonder,

you're like, that isn't healthy for anyone, keeping up with that amount of, no. I mean, let's just be honest, I mean, most of it's praise, right? And I feel like when someone is so into hearing about, you know, oh God, I love reading all these letters of people thanking me. I'm like, yeah. What's, you're just a massive narcissist.

Oh, yeah. At the end of the day, what you like reading is you're like reading hundreds and hundreds of letters are people saying how amazing you are. Well, how much they like your stuff. And I'm like, you know, is- And like, I guess, you know, self-confidence aside, right? Like, it gets to a point where it's like,

mm-hmm. Even when I got like loads of physical letters, like there was only so many I could read in a day before I got like, I felt like I was doing a disservice to the letters by just reading them all in a sequence because I'm like, all right, now I'm doing what my human brain does and just spotting patterns. And I'm spotting patterns between the letters

that I'm forming a baseline. You start to get numb to it, right? Yeah, you do. And I don't like the fan. that it kind of ruins for you, that you read it so much. But I was having this thought, and I'm like, I was thinking about it,

and I'm like, huh, I don't think I've ever seen YouTubers who are like, I don't fucking read any of my fan mail or anything like that, because people are scared to say it. Yeah. But I guarantee 90% of the YouTubers out there don't read the fan mail. I know it sounds bad.

And this is one of those topics that I love, this is why I like trash taste, because we can talk about this, right? And we can kind of come at it from an angle where you can kind of explain it in a way where it's like, I hope that I don't come off as the asshole. Right.

Because it certainly sounds like it. I mean, I feel, yeah, yeah, no, I get it. Like, it's definitely a topic that as a YouTuber, you're kind of scared to touch on. Because, you know, a lot of the people, and I know this is so anecdotal, but, you know, I do see the line there and the connection there where I've met,

I've met a lot of YouTubers who, you know, they've, a few of them have fallen off now, a few of them still do it, whatever, but, you know, they prided themselves, and one, interacted with their fans and two, read all the fan mail and read all the comments. where interacted, how so?

Well, okay, because that's a whole other thing. Yeah, right? Yeah. I don't trust YouTubers who spend all their day, like in their Discord, interacting with their community. Yeah, yeah, right? Yes. That's one of the biggest red flags to me as a YouTuber

that I don't want to really want to interact. I'm just like, how would you find the time to do this? Because like, you have to find the time, basically, if you're interacting too much with your community and reading family and stuff, and then doing YouTube on top of that, that to me says, you have, no time to do anything else in your life. I barely have enough time to do anything else my life.

Yeah, I had to like cut this down a lot just to make it manageable. Yeah, because when I had my discord and start, you know, it can be a very intoxicating feeling to feel like, oh wow, everyone's here for me. Yeah. Look at all these people wanting to talk to me. I'm so popular, I've never had this before, you know, because, you know, you cut back a year or two before this

and I'm the guy who can, you know, barely get four people to turn up to a fucking event. You know what I mean? Yeah. So you kind of get intoxicated on this, like, almost, narcissistic tendency of the fact that you love the fact that everyone wants to talk to you. Right.

And that everyone wants to come for you. And again, it's not, I'm not trying to slate the viewers or I'm trying to- It's completely different from my Discord. Yeah, I'm a fucking clown in my Discord. This is the private versus, but even then, okay. Yeah. Even though your Discord is private, right?

Yeah. They still want your time. Yeah. Right? And so that's a, that's a really difficult juggling act because you have to separate yourself to a certain extent to be able to, you know, have a healthy relationship with it. because, you know, I could talk about this forever,

but like there's differences and audiences as well. We got time, we do, we do, we do. We are, we do. I wanna stick on one topic for now, but I don't go into that, because there's a whole other thing between the differences to female audiences and female audience, which we kind of lightly touched on before.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they have totally different things, but yeah, okay, going back to the whole Discord and interacting and stuff. So yeah, there's two kind of interacting. There's reading fan mail and all that, where to me, reading the whole fan mail thing is a very one-sided,

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Oh my God. The trash taste mug? 2910 plus chimming. You know, I, I, I just sat there and I thought, man, it's so hard to bring up talking about the fact that you don't read fan mail and not sound like an asshole. Wait, wait, what got you onto this like thought process? Like, like, something happened?

Because I was just thinking back and I had like this like, this, you know, that moment of realization you get in the movies. Yeah. And I've thought about this a lot. And I just remember this, like I said, I remember the situation with this YouTuber who I had kind of a weird interaction with.

I didn't really like him. I always thought it was quite strange. Yeah. And one thing that he did that was just bizarre is that he's one of these YouTubers who made like 500 parts of open and on one part I understand because I did this because for a little while I felt guilty

that people were sending this stuff and they weren't getting to see my reaction to their stuff. But also once I got three episodes into doing this, I realized, okay, well, there's only so many different ways I can react to these fan mail. You know what I mean? Like there's, you know, and some of these stories that people would send you are so deep and really intense,

you know, and not to take away from any of them, but some of them would be really fucking deep. Yeah, like, and I think it's very emotionally exhausted to like share that on video. Feels what, it feels weird to share them on camera and also, you know, as a YouTuber, I'm thinking when they wrote this story out, you know, what do they want from me?

What did they, what did they expect when they wrote this story? Like, do they want a response or something? Like what kind of response did they want? And also, you know, is it impractical for me to write back? Now, occasionally, I'm saying this now, I'm probably gonna never do this again because I, this is probably gonna be,

because I don't want people to take advantage of this. Because occasionally when people did send me, like really touching things to my email, you know, I all very like emotional things. I would reply and just be like, hey man, and keep your head up or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, I would do that, but I didn't want to advertise that I was doing that because I didn't want people to think that if they sent me a sob story, I would reply being like, hey champ, pick yourself up, you know, here's a 10 bucks, fuck off. You know what I mean, but, you know. You didn't want to like sell yourself

as like the therapist, right? No, because, you know, I, when you start doing the fan mail stuff, more often than not, I find that it does come to that. because that's just how it is. You know, people realize you respond, people start taking advantage of that. Yeah, because I think like the biggest difference

between you and us, well, at least me, like when you were basically building your audience is that your content, a lot of it revolved around fan interaction. Like 80% of it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, like fan calls and fan mails and like reading fan comments and everything like that. And to me, I've, like,

I don't know how much fan mail you get. I probably get a lot less than what you had to go through. So like, to me, whenever I get a really deep, story or like a really long piece of email, really long email, that's when I do, I'm able to sit down and read it because I rarely, really get one of those. Most of the time it's just like, can you review school days please?

Oh, I've messaged studio wit, letting them know that you want, because of me, because of the fuck. That's the kind of mail I get most of the time. So it's like, to me it's like a, it's like a nice break whenever I can see someone who actually has, you know, put effort into their fan mail. And that's, to me, like, that's why I always end up reading it.

And it does still, like, mean a lot to me that, hey, I've done something for someone that I've never met before. Yeah. Or probably never meet. And that doesn't matter, you know. I mean, some of the shit just like, I got real fucked up after a while because I was just reading this shit for hours on end. Like, it was just extremely depressing, you know,

because I want to help everyone out there who's going through shit like that. But, you know, it's just some of the stuff. You can't help everybody. Some of the stuff is like, I don't even know where to begin. Like, what do I even do to this? Yeah. You know, like, I remember one time, someone had sent me a thing

and it was this really nice story about their dogs, right? And it was, just give me the fucking thing. Just get me. You couldn't see off camera, but Ashley was just standing with the coffees like that. For like two minutes. Well, I was just like, oh God,

Connor's gonna get on like a really long story right now. You know, there was this, uh, there was a story and I remember it actually, It was just so, the way they wrote it was like some kind of memento-esque thing, right? Where it was just like, I didn't know what was coming. And so she talked about how, you know, these two dogs were amazing and she's being and doing a lot better. And it was like, it was genuinely like a three-page letter. And it was great.

It was like, oh, yeah. So I was doing really bad in life. And it was doing, you know, and these, I got these new support dogs that helped me. And it was amazing. And then, sorry, it's some morbid. And at the end of this thing, right, of this thing that's going. amazingly. She was like, oh, and then my dogs died after they got hit by a truck. And it was like this two thing of it was like, and now it's not going so well, but I'm trying. And I'm like,

what? What? What? I was like emotionally, like I was like the biggest bungee jump. It was, it was like some kind of Monty Python skit. You couldn't make this up. It was so, if this was a comedy show, you'd have said the comedy was impeccably time. This was so, and I remember it because I was just like, what? And I was like, what happened? You can't help but laugh because you're like, this is so fucked. This is, and I felt so sorry. I was like, what is happening?

You know, sometimes you just have a moment you like in life where you don't know how to react and you just, your first gut reaction, just to laugh. I had to, I had to reread it like three times so I couldn't believe it. I was like, wait, what? I think it's just like a nervous like reaction, right? Yeah. How do I react to this?

You just, I've never had writing like that before. Yeah, yeah. This should have been done in the book. This should be like a war, This caught me totally off. I didn't even think it was going there. It was not a single, there was no hint, there was no, like, there was no,

there was no, it was all great, and I was like, what happened? Jesus. What is this? It was like someone had, it was almost like she'd wrote in the letter, like, completely like, like, like three days and then like, waited, like two weeks before she sent it,

and then made like an addendum at the end, just being like, oh, and by the way, just being like PS, by the way, PS, they're dead. P.S., it's not good now. And I'm like, what, what? And then this is,

also this is terrible. I don't want to, it's horrible to deal with that stuff. And so, it's like, what does that person expect you to like react? Yeah, and so,

yeah, exactly, but, you know, not to take anything from her, I do appreciate her sharing that me, because obviously,

you know, that was something very emotional, right? Yeah, yeah. And in one hand, I appreciate it, but on also hand, when I hear about people

who are reading tons and tons of these letters and, and they love it. And it's just like, what? Like, can you emotionally handle all of this?

And if you can, like, I have to, like, are you a psychopath? Yeah. Like this is, this is a lot, you know? It's like, imagine if you were speed running therapy for some people, like, this is like, you're just like, you get the sob story

and you don't get to help. Like they just, they leave and it's like, this is horrible. This is, yeah. I mean, I think it's, it's like unfortunate that we can't listen to everyone because like, I got into YouTube because I wanted to like just find other people.

I wanted to connect to people. Yeah, I wanted to connect to people. I wanted to find people with the same interests that I had. Yeah, which is why like, a lot of the friends, a lot of our close friends in England that we had now,

are like people I met through YouTube or through being fans of my content. And through that, I kind of like, for the longest time, I kind of prided myself of like, you know, if you're a fan, come say hi. And maybe we can be friends one day, you know, who knows? And that was when that was manageable, right? And like some of my first, some of my first fans

are now like some of my closest friends. You know, one of them's gonna be like, one of them, like, you know, some of them are gonna be, you know, at my wedding, you know, that's, that's, that's, yeah, exactly. So it's, it's, it's, it's, It's gone from that to now like I cannot, you know, even if I'm sure there are a lot of you guys watching out there

who I know, I'm, and probably you know that, we could be pretty close friends. We're just not gonna have the opportunity for that, unfortunately, right? Most likely, most likely. Because to me. Because there's one of you. Because there's only one of me and there's literally hundreds of thousands of you guys.

And it's an unfortunate fact that I just had to like make peace with and just be like, you know, this is, it's part of the job is managing, kind of like my fan interaction and just interacting with the amount of people you can physically and humanly interact with and get emotionally involved with. Yeah, and I guess,

and it's like that massive difference between someone who has come to that realization in their career and is able to manage it and some people who are just like, nope, if you're a fan of me, you're not just a fan, you're a friend, you can approach me at any time kind of thing, but then they forget that the larger they grow and the more and more of those fans

become friends, quote unquote, But then it gets to the point where they're just like, that's just their entire life, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you end up with people like, what you were saying, that just- Yeah, I mean, that could have been- With their fans 24-7.

That could have been me, you know, and there are a lot of YouTubers out there who have- Still do that? Still, who I'd say of, you know, at the cost of their own channel. Yeah. Right. You know, continue to do it.

Because a lot of them get really, you know, and I've seen there so many YouTubers to get so sucked into their Discord. Yeah. And, you know, this is why I said it way, way back, you know, my number one piece of advice to not make a Discord server, a public Discord server. Which is why we haven't made a trash taste Discord server.

Yeah, which even though people have asked. Yeah, it's my number one piece of advice to any YouTuber because it's a time sync. You know, managing a Discord server, luckily now I don't manage it. I've got on, I don't go on there. Like I post updates and, you know, people understand it now.

But, you know, I remember when I first started stepping back from it, I would get a lot of messages being like, I can't believe you, on active, that's so, so wrong is your discourse so you should be active. It's like, well, what do you want me to do? Do you want me to sit here and message you? So the other two million people can't have a video?

Like, you're gonna take time away just so I can, I can laugh at the meme you sent me? Like, kitten Lord XD, you know? What I was gonna do? I actually had to coach Sydney through this because she actually, like, I think she had like a public discord. And you know, at the beginning, everyone wants to interact with their fans.

It's great, it's great, it's great. Everyone wants to interact with their fans as much as they can. And it got to the point where Sydney thought that if she didn't do it, then people would think that she was ungrateful for, you know, the attention or for like for them supporting her channel.

And I'm just like, and she grew to a point where she was waking up, just stressed. She was waking up and she was like, I've just got so many notifications. Yeah, me too, me too, yeah, and it was like, she woke up and for a full like month, I think, she was just depressed because she didn't know how to handle everyone trying to get a piece of her attention.

I'm just like, look, you've got to, because this was, this was back when like, this was back when she started to, you know, kind of get a bit of momentum. And I, like, luckily she had me to, like, coach it through it. Because I literally had a coach, like a perfect coach. Because I was just like, look, you've got to just get past this point where you just got to realize

that it is part of the job. And part of the job is just understanding that you can't give everyone attention. I know you want to. I know it kills you to show everyone how grateful you are for their supports and everything. But it's physically impossible for one person at, at a certain size. Yeah. Like, if someone meets me in person and, you know, they want to speak to me, I'll gladly speak to you.

You know, I'll take anything. Anything you, we'll talk. Yeah. And I would rather that so much more than a message through the screen. I don't know. It literally doesn't mean anything when you're watching through it, like, Discord. If you don't know the person, I'm like, I don't even know who you are. Like, that's over here, bro.

I don't know what's going on. Honestly, I think like the best way to just have a casual conversation is, I mean, you can't plan it, which is unfortunate. But if it's mostly conventions, right? If you see us at a party at a convention or just like hang out, and we look like we're just not heading somewhere or like busy, then we'll probably have time to like have like a quick chat or something.

Yeah. So I wanna go to conclusions. And the quick chats are always the best, in my opinion. And sometimes you meet an interesting character and you're just like, yeah, we should hang out later and at one of the parties that we're going to or something like that. Yeah, yeah, I've had people who I'm like, yo, come.

Yeah, yeah, exactly, right? It'll be fun. Yeah, yeah. But like, you know, unfortunately, that's just not something you can plan, you know. We're obviously gonna find it creepy if they're gonna be like, okay, so this person's gonna be here at this convention and he's gonna be here, here, here,

I can say hello here and hopefully. Just like cork board it out. All right, right, right, right. He's gonna apply here, so we have to rendezvous right here. No, because like I've had a really weird, kind of like strange evolution of like interactions now that trash taser started, right? Because obviously the world hasn't opened up yet,

but I've now met like a few people post-Trash that has just been like, so like we've met in like a normal social situation. So it's just been like at a friend's party or like some kind of gathering. But they're like, yeah, I watch trash taste and the first thing they say is, look, I know about the parasycial relationship thing, but like I'll just say it up front and like I understand that there's like a difference between knowledge between what I know about you and what you know about me. And I'm just like, this is actually really weird because I think that's the best way to handle it.

Just like acknowledging that, yeah, they're an active viewer and they know more about me than I do about them. Yeah, just admitting that like, I might like you, but I know you're not my friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm just like, cool, let's close that gap then. Did you see the clip of Felix talking about it?

Someone asked him like, oh, do you know Connor? And he was like, yeah, I do. He's like, yeah, what's trash taste? It's weird, I feel like I know them, but I don't know them at all. Yeah. God, is that coming from Felix? Yeah, I feel like, I feel weird.

I feel like they're my friends, but I've never spoken. I was like, that's great. Felix is saying that. Yeah, that's the thing, like, if Felix is saying that, then fucking everyone is susceptible to it, right? Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, so you don't feel guilty.

Don't feel guilty, you know. The big boss man himself, it's all right. Yeah, like, the thing I'm trying to say is, we don't know how to handle it correctly as much as you don't know how to handle it. We're all fucking in this together. It's a very strange situation we've all found ourselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, that's, we don't know how to handle it.

That's why I'm also glad that we are quote unquote, like famous on the internet. Because like, you know, because like, that's why like if there's one group of people who are fucking sociopaths, it's fucking paparazzi, right? Because if you've seen any interview or just any documentary or any story following paparazzi, they're fucking not cases.

The fucking Anthony Padilla video, like that still blows my mind to the stage, just like hearing just the audacity of some of these guys just being like, yeah, I don't give a fuck. If the opportunity is they all take it. Yeah, because one thing I'm thankful for is that because we've grown up in an age where I think a lot of our viewers

are more aware of what it's like and social boundaries and stuff like that because we have places like trash say to talk about it, but fucking celebrities back in the day, they didn't have this, you know? They were basically put on a pedestal and kind of like almost looked at like a commodity and you can do anything you want to the celebrity,

you can break all kind of social boundaries and it was acceptable back in the day. And that's why paparazzi were able to do whatever the fuck they did, right? Yeah, it was just that like weird stigma of like, oh, you are famous, therefore you are open to any criticism, you are open to just getting your entire private life exposed by anyone at any time

and you have no right to say because that's the cost of being famous. Yeah, yeah. Bullshit. That is bullshit. Like I remember once I saw a clip of Toby McGuire trying to like, trying to just go out of his driveway and just go wherever he wanted to the day.

And he just got swarmed by paparazzi, right? Right. And so the paparazzi literally were just in front of his car, like trying to like, like a group of locust, right? Trying to like snap this picture of Toby Maguire. And he like moves out slowly and he's just like trying to politely say, excuse me, can you guys get out of the way? Can you guys get out of the way?

They don't get out of the way. He moves an inch. And you guys, excuse me, can I'm just trying to get out of my driveway. Can you guys get out of my driveway? And they don't move. And then he, of course, like any human being, He fucking gets angry and he loses it. And he goes, dude, move out the fucking driveway.

I'm just trying to get out. And then the paparazzi is like, well, what an asshole. And I'm just like, how up your own asses you need to be to have this kind of mentality, right? The moment he started screaming, all the paparazzi just simultaneously started drooling, being like, that's a story, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which is why this clip got posted up, right? No one respects the paparazzi any answer. It doesn't fucking matter. No. Yeah, in terms of like the social hierarchy, I believe they're like below fucking, like, Dung Beatles, man. Like, honestly, zero respect for paparazzi.

People would rather cockroaches in their apartment than paparazzi. Probably, yeah. 100%, yeah. So I guess that'd take that all with what you will. Exactly. But yeah, I mean, going back earlier to the whole, you know, giving attention, I think, you know,

like, I remember one thing that people would say and they would like, they would praise you if you would, if you would, interact with your viewers, they'd be like, wow, this is so refreshing. You know, big YouTubers don't talk to their audience. And at the time, when you, when you have like 50K subs, that probably gets to your head, you probably think, yeah, I am, I'm doing great. Like, why can't these people interact with their fans?

This is so fun. This is great. This is going amazingly. And then you realize, well, you should realize shortly after why that is a bad idea. Because then you have no free time. Like, I remember specifically, I- your content starts to deplete. Well, yeah, I remember I would spend like at least two to three hours a day on my discord,

like answering messages. keeping up with the server, just doing that. And I'm like, two to three hours a day? On what? Like, on what? Because the problem is it slowly creeps up on you, right? At first it was like 15 minutes of your day. You just get 15 minutes, 15 minutes where you feel happy.

You're like, oh, people like me. People like, people like what I do. That's great. And then like it's slowly like five minutes gets added on like in a month and then you do content for two years and suddenly you're wasting two hours of your days. You have two hours is just gone. And then, you know, also, you know,

someone gets banned from the server. And if you're active on the server, you definitely get the complaint for the reasoning. You know, one thing that I noticed when I was on the server was that every goddamn week, someone would come to you, be like, my friend unjustly got banned. And this is, Connor's a dickhead.

Con is a piece of shit. You bend my friend for no reason. You check the log, the guy said like the N-word like 10 times. And he's like, what? What are you on? It's just words, bro. What are you on? Is this how it feels to be YouTube?

Well, they take down a video? Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think this is like, like this is why I feel sorry for YouTube. Like how do you feel sometimes? If someone uploads like a titty and something, like, what do you mean, bro? I can't play YouTube Bambit, what an asshole.

Yeah, you know, it's, it's, you know, when the Discord server starts, it's great and when you have to actually moderate a Discord server, that's where it gets hell. Yeah. And then, you know, when you bring on moderators, you know, sometimes I remember my moderators sort of sometimes start like infighting

and I'm like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. What is this? I'm just trying to make a server where I can thank my fans. And I'm not starting to a whole, you know, House of Cards-esque situation. What the fuck is going on here? What the fuck is going on?

And there's just so many downsides to it. And I just, it's such a, it's such a complex situation. And I feel like if you haven't experienced it, it's so hard to think about all the possibilities of stuff that comes up. Because I didn't think about any of the shit. And even when I was in the middle of it, I didn't know what could go wrong, you know? Hey, everyone.

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Back to the episode. Do you guys still read YouTube comments? Uh, first day, yeah. Yeah, first day. I kind of want to get the consensus of the feeling. Yeah. From the viewers. Yeah.

Cause I feel like the people who watch on the first day are your core audience. Yeah. Yeah. And those are the people I care about, hearing about the most. You know, I wanna know what my, the people who watch my video is day one thing. Because you know, when the video starts doing really well

and it goes outside of your audience, it's really weird comments. Yeah, you know, like- Uh-huh. Yeah, so like my rent-a-boyfriend video, like blew up. I knew, I knew it was gonna do well, because it's very good clickbait. Like, you see that.

I saw that and I'm just like, this is gonna be a bag of a game. Even if the video was me, even if the video was me just going to like a Denny's and just like texting a guy and saying I rented it, I'm sure the video would have done a million views anyway. Just because the thumbnail and the title is so good. Oh yeah.

And like I said, I knew it would. So there's some of the comments I got on it were just like, what the fuck, what the fuck are these? And it's like, ew, is he gay? Is men gay? Is it like, and just weird stuff. like, I bet he smells nice and all that kind of stuff. And you just start to get like the really strange comments coming out.

So I don't really give a shit about them. Yeah. But yeah, definitely day one, I check. Sorry, I went on a whole explanation. No, no, no, no, no, yeah. Like, yeah, for me as well, it's like, day one is kind of like the consensus of like, again, it's like, it's the ones who subscribes to you

is the ones that's always waiting for your video. So it's like, you know, usually, I also don't just look at the top comments either. I always look at it from new. New, yeah. You can't always look at the top comments because those are the ones, like, If there's anything with constructive criticism,

it's gonna be buried down somewhere. And I wanna, those are the ones I wanna find. Yeah, the most liked ones are usually some kind of meme that came out of the video. Or a quote from the video. Or a quote from the video. Yeah, I get it, we all watch the video. Yeah.

The problem is that I actually don't wanna check the comments half the time because I don't wanna check my YouTube analytics. Yeah, that's me too. I don't. I literally click on the video, I'm just like, don't show me the views, so it sounds the comments, all right.

To check the comments on the YouTube studio app, on the studio, YouTube studio app, The first thing that pops up when you open this app is your views, how the video is doing, and the amount of money you're earning and all that stuff. I don't wanna see that stuff, do it. And the elusive something out of 10.

We've talked about it. I don't wanna know how my video is doing every day. I counterintuitively, I probably should care. You know, any expert in analytics would tell you that you should be checking it and studying it. Yeah. I've been doing YouTube for like five years off pure gut feeling. And I think I'm doing all right.

I think I understand what's going on. Yeah, yeah. So I don't wanna look at that. I don't care how much it's making. I don't care how many views it's getting. I just wanna read the comments. So I don't check it that often because I have to see that shit.

Yeah. And so I kinda, for me it's just like, is it monetized, good. I didn't need to see anything else. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd say I check every two to three days now. Really? Yeah, cause like I, I think I check on the first day

and then that's just it. Like I just check, is this, are people enjoying this video? That's all I need to know. Yeah. And then I just kind of leave it like, but I remember before when I first started, you'd like, there was a full fucking week, right? I call it the honeymoon period where you were just,

you were so proud of this video and you just like kept refreshing in the comments. Like, and you're just like, come on, there must be a new comment, there must be a new comment. And I like, that like, that period was like a full on week for me before when I, when I released a video. And then the long you do YouTube, the lower, the lower that honeymoon period is.

Yeah. Until like it's like, it's different because if you're really, if I'm really, really proud of a video, I'm still like checking more comments than like some other videos for example. And I was wondering like, is it the same for you guys? Or is it just like the same?

for every video now. Like how much you guys see YouTube as a job? Is it just like a completely a job now? I mean, I'd be lying if I said it's no longer a hobby. I mean, oh no, it is no longer a hobby. If it wasn't for, I think the job is what makes me have to upload weekly. Yeah, I wouldn't upload weekly if it was on my own bed.

Yeah, I think I would do once a month. Because I love, like some videos I absolutely adore making. Like there's this one video that, uh, I can't talk about it yet, but it's been in the works, a lot of approvals, a lot of things have had to have been done to get this video done. But I'm hoping that when it comes out,

it's gonna be amazing and it's been like a passion project for a while and that's just like saying that I would have done, you know, regardless. Like even if it didn't make any money, even if it wasn't my job, like I would have made that like regardless, like nothing. And so that's amazing when you get that, but that only comes around, I feel like,

twice a year at most. You get like a truly, a truly passionate a really amazing idea and everything seems to be kind of working. You know, you get all the approvals you want. You get all the go-aheads. You get all the, you know,

because, you know, especially now, it's, we do a lot of filming outside of our house. In Japan, you need a lot of approval stuff. It takes a long time. Before, it was just kind of like, how many hours can I put in on this thing? Yeah, now it's become the case of, can I get the right approval?

Because sometimes you just have to have a passion project. That was like, I think that was me in, like, the fate timeline I did because, like, When did I first mention that? Like over a year ago, right? And it just got released like a few weeks ago. Oh yeah.

Cause I'm just like. Was that a passion project or a job, sorry? Oh, that was a passion project. Because I'm just like, do really people, do people really wanna hear someone explain fate 30 minutes? Like, like, yes. But like I had so much fun filming that and I'm just like, this is just a fun thing to work on.

Yeah, I think everyone enjoyed it, except for the fake community for some reason. I saw they got salty about it. Oh yeah. I mean, I mean like you gotta, you got to take, you got to take with a grain of salt sometimes. Being an anime YouTuber, you can very much piss off a lot of different anime fandoms. It's, you know, it's, to me, it's part of the job, right?

Because I feel like, you know, I feel like with you, you're more of like a personality with, like, who sells himself on just, you know, I'm a guy living in Japan and I like anime, right? Whereas I think me and Joey have had a fair share of experiences where because we maybe say are opinions of an anime or maybe like we've gotten to a point where we can have like an effect on the community then sometimes you know sometimes people can be unhappy with what we say I'm unhappy is a very loose time I'm being very civil with the words I use right now I'm I'm you guys as friend obviously so I understand you know where you're you guys are coming from and yeah sometimes I feel like fucking out man this guys being real harsh on you guys

sometimes I see some of these comments I'm like Jesus Christ you just made a video about fate Chill out, bro. Yeah, I know. Chill out, why you have to be so mad. I mean, that's why, that's like, I'd be lying if I said, like, that wasn't one of the big reasons why I don't make videos on, like,

popular or big franchises anymore, because it's like, it doesn't matter if I'm praising the shit out of it, it doesn't matter if I'm saying an unpopular opinion or whatever. The fan base is gonna get pissed off, either way, just purely because of the fact that I made a video on it. Yeah, I think, because I never really,

I don't know, whenever I made videos about stuff, it was always like the kind of BL communities, and I was just really grateful that anyone was making videos about it at all. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird, right? Cause I've also like slightly stepped into that when I made a video on killing stalking.

And that was one of the most like, praised by the community videos. I was like, I thought I was gonna get shattered. Hand of God, bro. BL fans are like the best fans ever, man. They are so supportive of anyone getting into BL in any capacity. They don't really give a shit if you get shit wrong.

They're just like, we're just glad that someone's appreciated. Yeah. Because it's so niche. And some of it's like amazing work that just gets overlooked because it's gay. Like it's, I mean, you know, so it's amazing. And, you know, seeing some of these communities,

You know, there are a lot of, some shonen communities that get very defensive. The fate one, yeah, because I remember, Gaunt, God did this video. I'll talk about it. Because God doesn't want to say anything. But I, I think people would be so harsh to God.

They were like, God made this video about the fate time. They're like, oh, something's wrong or, oh, how dare he get, you know, make this video that's just terrible and correct in so many ways. I'm like, bro, chill out, man. And I think some of these were the smaller YouTubers,

I think they were getting, I'm like, do you want to make a video on it? Go ahead. Well, I think they have. And they were just like, it's not as good as mine. And it's like, the point is you have to understand is that, you know, if you're a fake YouTuber,

if you're a specific YouTuber, you're gonna be more focused on the oriented details of it. Yeah. When you're a more general YouTuber who covers more, more topics, you know, and you're covering a wide span of things, you're gonna be focusing on entertainment. Yeah, right, and I feel God's video in a lot of ways was more entertainment.

When I watch God's, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not giving a shit, I'm not watching it for Fate Law. I couldn't give a fuck. I just wanna watch something funny. If I wanted to see Fate Law, I would go onto the wiki. Yeah, I want something, I want something,

I want something funny, you know, So when I saw people, you know, I feel like I'm just defending my friend. You know, I feel like, keep, keep going. This is the rare time where we've like got each other's back, I guess. We got your army. When we're not shitting on each other for us.

What's the haters, I'm feeling weird right now. I was like, Connor's defending me? Oh, what's, what's going on? I saw this and I wanted to, you know, you were gonna hold your friend back. You're like, I gotta reply because I'm like, bro, you're missing the entire fucking point. It's not to make a video that's correct about faith.

about fate, speaking a video that's entertaining about faith. The point is that, yes, it's not gonna be 100% correct. If it is, fantastic, God has in a great job researching. The point is that, yeah, that might annoy you that somebody's tells are wrong and that you've put in all this hard work and your video's not gonna get as many views. But by making a video about fate,

you're giving an avenue for more people to get into fate, right? Which, you know, when someone big makes a video about something that you do, it's great because you get a kickdown effect. Whether you like it or not, you get that effect. You know, there's the fate people who made videos about it are gonna get views from that video.

Cause guess what's gonna be recommended on a fake video, fate. Yeah. And it was just very, I don't know, it's just another case of people just wanting to take shots at the big guys. And I don't know, I've never really had a deal with it. So I, I'm alright, but I feel bad for you too

because for some reason, you guys are like punching bags for a lot of people. I mean, I don't know why. I think it's weird because I obviously never intended this, but I think it's just because we are seen as kind of like pseudo critics or whatever. Like I don't know, like, because I don't see myself as anything of the sort.

I just see myself as like one guy giving an opinion. And I've said that so many times with videos, but the moment you say that to the reviewing a critic fan base, they're like, oh, he's just trying to be a critic. He's just trying to be a review. He's trying to take out jobs. And I'm like, no, I'm really not. I just want to make a video on this because I'm passionate about it.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think there's two things, especially in the anime community, because the anime community grew up from being like a very niche small, community, right? So sometimes like sometimes I will make a video or I will title my video in a certain way because I do it with the assumption that the person watching it knows nothing about the topic I'm talking about. And the thing is because anime fans were and still are, especially in niche communities, very, very dedicated to whatever niche or whatever fandom that they are a fan of, they get, I wouldn't say very defensive, but at least like they are very judgmental about any kind of content that gets made. Especially like, I mean, we talked about FAPA, but like especially Shonen community. Oh yeah, yeah, I know.

I don't know what it is about Shonen community. That is, they are just so competitive with one another. Yeah. Like, because there's so many of them as well, right? Yeah, yeah. Like you say, you say an opinion. Like, it's just basically impossible to have an opinion on any, any singular Shonen show, right?

And it's, it's especially difficult, especially like if you just make a tweet or something, or if you say, I'm enjoying X more than X, Well, people, people will like take those words and be like, what the fuck did he just say? Dude, I remember I tweeted out ages ago saying like, you know what, after all these different manga that I've read from like all the popular stuff

to like the niche stuff no one thinks about, at the end of the day, I'm always gonna go back to Shonen Jump. Yeah. And the Shonen Jump, like, community got on my ass for it. Be like, I can't believe you're discrediting Shonen champion and Shonen Sunday. And I'm like, I literally praised you guys.

What do you want me? What more do you want me to say? But the thing I've noticed, right, is that this is, for some reason, it's, for the most part, only contained in, like, the Shonan community and the Shonan culture. Like, for example, I, let's, I'm the Isikai guy, right? So let's say, guys, I prefer re-zero over no game, no life. Nobody back to know. No, nobody back to nine. I say, I prefer demon slay over. I say I prefer demons slay over. Facts sake. I say I prefer demons slay over. Slayer, Demon Slayer. This is such a controversial opinion that his brain is literally stopping. My brain's like, don't say it. Don't say it, stop, don't say it.

I say, I prefer my hero academia to Jiu-Sla-Slan. Everyone loses their mind. I don't, by the way. That was just a, that was just a random quote that I just generated that's gonna turn the internet on fire. But of course, someone's gonna take that out of context and be like, I can't believe Gantz said that. Yeah, I think there's nobody who respects my opinion.

It's kind of, whatever. No, that's what I want. I don't want people. I don't be able to take my opinion that seriously. Whatever I say, no one really bets and I. They're like, oh, I guess, yeah, Conno's never had a good opinion, so it's whatever. But I want that at this point.

Like, like, I get it that, you know, I appreciate. Because I've never really criticized shows. I just kind of say I like it or I don't. I've never really gone in, I think it's when you've criticized shows, people get there, people start to, probably in some aspects, value your opinion. Which, you know, I respect. Which is up to them, which is up to them.

I respect in a lot of ways, but at the same time, it's like, it's like there are some people, there's a difference between respecting and understanding and opinion and taking that into consideration and also basing your entire life around that person's opinions. Yeah. You know? Like I, even me, like, I've tried to, talking about anime content, I've tried to not be so negative or, like, I've tried to, like, only focus on things that I do like and that I want to highlight, right? Because I... That's a big difference to God. No, because I didn't used to be that way. I used to be, like, you know, I used to, like, clown on a lot of

shows. But now, now I at least try to try to just talk about things I like. But even, even if I just make a quick joke about something, that, then that one line from a video that had nothing to do with that topic or that fandom, that, you know, that one quote gets spread around on Twitter and spread around everywhere. And especially now that we stream and we're on trash taste, there are people that can just take one line out of context from a conversation that's not even to do with the anime I'm talking about. And, and just be like, oh, Gant thinks this or Gant thinks that. And I've, I guess it's just something

I've had to learn to deal with as my content has evolved. I can say the exact same things as you. Has I right? I could say the exact same things as you, and nobody will bat an eye. But the moment you say it, it's like, bro, shit's going down. It's like, CDGVIA said an opinion. It's very strange, yeah.

It's like, I don't know. Yeah, I should almost be offended that nobody gives a shit what I say. But on the other hand, I'm like, great, if it means I don't have to deal with this shit. God, I wish I was you. Well, I think part of it just comes of time as well because unfortunately

the longer you are on the platform or the internet the more quote unquote like, I hate calling them haters because that just that just like people who dislike you. The more people who dislike you will slowly build up because I remember when I first started my YouTube channel and like I think of like the first five years of contents most of the opinions I saw of me were mostly positive, right?

But then there would be one comments that, you know, had a negative opinion of me or like one small community. And the longer you're on YouTube, the more, like, the more negativity that gets built up slowly over time. Just because, one, your audience is getting bigger. And two, a lot of times when you get a hater or when you get something, someone who doesn't like your content, they're just going to stay that way. And they're just not going to give you the chance or another opportunity because they're not going to watch your content anymore. So that one opinion they have you is going to remain that way throughout the rest of your YouTube career, right? I think it's also a thing with time as well.

Because I think a lot of big YouTubers who've been on this platform for a long time have had to deal with negativity building up over time. And I think there's no one that epitomizes this more than maybe Felix. And like I've never personally talked to the guy, but from what you've said about what he's said to you and about how he deals with it,

it's just like the most mature way, where it's just something you just got to deal with, right? Yeah. Honestly, it just comes to part of the job. Do you find that it's possibly a reflection of the content you make. You know, when you're saying it's more, you're more negative focused, do you find that you tend to get

a more negative response from... Oh, yeah, definitely. When you have a controversial opinion, then you all get controversial comments as well, right? But like, if you're always saying, like, shows are trash or this is bad, do you find that, or did you find that the viewers

were more likely to be negative about things? Are you saying, like, are they more positive now that you've swapped to being more positive about shows? Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Like, like, one, like, I, I, I, I, because maybe that could be it for the difference. No, I mean, like, I, I, because I,

the reason I changed my content wasn't because of, only because of that is because some of the content creators that I used to watch and maybe I watched back in the day, like, I kind of noticed that, man, being, being negative is just not very fun. And sure, there are shows that I don't like. It gets more views, though. It gets more views, but, and that's the tough part.

Did you, yeah, so did you, you know, because I remember there was always like, um, fuck, what's it? Like the, the completionist, whatever. I don't know if you've seen his channel. No. He always does like these top tens at the end of the year. Top 10 worst and top 10 best games.

Yeah. And he would release them like back to back. Yeah. And always the top 10 worst would get more views. Oh yeah, all the time. Even though they were like way less than known titles, right? People just want to know what the worst thing is. Yeah, I mean needle drop does the same thing every year,

whereas like the top 10 worst albums of the year always did like twice the numbers of the top 10 best. Yeah. And if, I mean, I feel like top 10 worst is just better clickbait because nobody really wants to know the top 10 best or like people are less interested to know. in what the top 10 best is. They wanna know what the trash is. They know what. That's why when I try and be,

or I try and dunk on something, I try and choose something, it's just unanimously. No, exactly, right? Which is why top 10 worst is good because normally if it's like the worst of the worst, then people, people weren't bad at night

because it's just like, it's there to be clown on, you know? Like I can clown on X arm all I want and people will fucking love it because it's hilarious. Yeah, yeah. I mean, have you seen X arm? You know, I know you have Joe.

It's amazing. I love it. No, it's great, but like if you, for example, have a controversial opinion of a popular show or a popular thing, it's gonna get a lot of views. But I feel like in the... But in what cost, right?

Yeah, yeah, in the long term, like, it just makes you seem like a cynical shithead and that just hates everything. And like, even, like, even if you just make one video about one popular show, but just shit on it, people are going to remember that for years, right? I don't know why, but people have such long memories. You could, you could just make, like, you could spend five years.

Is there an example that you have in your head? Yeah. People to this day still think I'm like, the guy who hates Sordauntart Online, even though I literally made, what, two videos on it? Yeah, out of the thousands of videos I've made in my career. Oh, yeah, right? I mean, uh, even though there, even though there are so many channels I can think of

that have done way more videos shitting on Sorda Online. And yet I'm just known as the guy who's like, oh yeah, you hate sort of online, right? I'm like, yeah, but I'm also like all these other things. Did you really hate it online that much? I mean. Or did you play it up for the camera? Look, okay.

I'll say it now, I played it up for the camera. Yeah, I know you fucking did. But I thought that was pretty fucking obvious. I made a Virginia Review 69 video on it, right? Which is like the fucking parody character I made back in the day, right? So it's like, obviously, and again, because back then when I was a lot smaller

and I was still building on my channel. But that's what you do, when you're growing. That's what you have to do to grow. You think you have to be this exaggerated and you have to hate everything. Right, right. So much.

Because like, I remember YouTube, YouTube like reviews, I guess, went through this phase where being negative was like the cool thing. Well, it was like around when I hate everything. Sorry, Poppy. Yeah, like I hate everything, nostalgia critic, angry video game nerd.

Where it's just like, great and under a. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Grady Underay. It was just like, being cynical was like, was just cool. You know, that was a cool thing to do. And that was a dark period

in two years of YouTube. Was it 2014 to do? 14 to 16, I wanna say. Yeah. Something like that, yeah. Yeah, then people, people, I think the audience, because I just felt like, I just got fucking born of it because I'm just like, what, what's,

what's cool about being angry? I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be angry, wanna be happy, you know? Wow, what a controversial opinion. I just wanna talk about things I like. I don't wanna, like, it got to the point where you just watched, you just watched content and you could tell they were like playing up the anger

for the camera. They were like, let's just nitpick and just let's just find something that I'm just, I can just like be, angry about and make jokes about, even if I don't genuinely feel it. Yeah, sort of online. But I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Well, I mean, it was true. And that's why I don't really make those kinds of videos anymore either, because after a while, I just realized, like, there's only so much you can do and say with that kind of content after a while where

it just becomes like, oh, here's his ex- YouTuber getting angry once again about the hundredth thing that he hates. And it's like, all right, cool. Anything else you can offer to the, to the website? No. Okay. I'm just going to stop watching. you know? Like, what are some of the best fan bases in the anime fandom that you think of? Because we've talked about, well, the worst. Trick question.

True question. They all are. No, like I said, I like the BL one. BL fans are. Honestly, BL fans seem so welcoming. And I wish more anime fandoms were like that. Yeah. I think as well, like, in a lot of senses,

I think the manga community, but like, more so the manga community that delves more into like the more niche titles. Yeah. I feel is a lot more welcoming. Because like now that, a lot of my content is a lot more in that community. I've realized that when you mention a manga

that no one else has heard of, but this one person knows that they're like, what, holy shit, they fucking mention my favorite manga, yeah, I want more people to read this kind, you know, much like the BL community, right? So it's like, I feel it's, again, it's like the niche communities. Yeah.

I feel it definitely the most welcoming them, the nicest. Although I will say, I think the BL fandom, they just don't like, people who like Fujo bait, you know, people who like try and like take advantage of the whole gay thing who don't actually give a shit about, like supporting anything like LGBTQ.

Right. Well, obviously if you're just there. There are a lot of people, and I swear out on TikTok as well, so many like people who try to take advantage of stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's about it. But I mean, that's justified, I'd say. Yeah, no, I, I, sorry, we're gonna the massive tension then, because I just put that up. Yeah, I think we're talking about passion projects.

Yeah, we're talking about passion projects. Yeah, to me like, yeah, going back to the faith fandom, it's really weird because being like, being like, okay, I can't, like, it's so weird saying you're a fate fan, right? Because like, you say you're a fate fan and there's so many different levels of fate fans. It's like being a martial artist. It's like, yo, are you a first damn black belt fate fan?

Or you, oh, this is guys a fifth damn black belt fate fan. Holy fucking shit. But the problem is you're all, you're all losing. Your fate fans, right? So like, you don't win at all. So why? It's like the biggest loser. It's really weird seeing this dichotomy, right?

Because a lot of, a lot of fate fans have always been very toxic. And I, like, I acknowledge that it is the vocal minority, but that vocal minority is very, very fucking vocal, right? But there's such a dichotomy between the normal fate fans and then just the fake go fans who are just like the most welcoming people in the world. And like it's, it's like they, like, because they want you to spend money

so they feel less shame. Like the fake go fans, they already know they're degenerous. They're just like, you know, we got nothing to prove, right? And then there's just like the, I would say like it's less fate fans. It's like Faygo fans and then there's type moon fans, right? And it's, it's so weird, like, seeing their toxicity evolve over time. Because I remember back in the day when I was just starting to be an anime fan and just discovering fate as a whole, right? They were being, they were being toxic for completely different reasons than they, I guess they are now.

Right. Because before, I remember there was, there was like, I'm talking about like, old boomer stuff now. But I remember there was this, there was this review on A&N that was reviewing Fate Zero, right? Yeah. And apparently this guy, this guy who wrote this review got so much hate that he actually wrote like a blog post or an article saying like, oh, what like apparently I am watching fate wrong. Like people giving him shit because he watched fate zero before reading the visual novels or before like or before. Nobody got time for that. Yeah. And I guess like now I'm getting a lot of hate because to a lot of hardcore type moon fans, it makes it seem. like I'm making it harder to get people into fate because I'm meming it up and like, I'm like,

I'm meming up about how many series and how daunting it looks for a newcomer. But I'm like, why is you making it seem complicated? I'm like, fuck right off. Because it is complicated. And I'm just like, okay, like as like as a faith fan, I know that I don't think it's that complicated, but you just like have some self-awareness

to like look at this chart or look at this graph and just see, how is this going to look for the average person? You know, that's like, that's, It's, it's, you can try to fight the good fire as much as you want, but at the end of the day, it's a daunting franchise to get into. And that's just, that's just something that.

It's all perspective, right? Because again, like to the fate fan base, it doesn't look complicated because they've literally spent years of their life studying. My definition of a complicated show. Yeah. If you need to watch or research anything outside of the, like the 25 episode run, yeah, it's considered, I consider a complicated show.

If you have to then go and do it But that's the other thing. Anything that requires you to go off the website and look at something else to understand the story is categorized in my head as a complicated story. That's not self-contained. I can't just watch the show and be like, I understand the fate.

I have to look, that's complicated. I feel that's the majority though. Yeah, yeah. That's, you know, a lot of shows don't require you to do that. Think about every show. You do not, you know, to understand seven deadly sins, you don't need to fucking go and read the wiki article page to understand

of what's going on. You don't, you know, even Jojo, which has a, you know, part six is a very odd ending, you know. You can just start seven, you might be a little confused, but you kind of get what's happened. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, it's, and her-

And you can also enjoy the story without fully understanding it too, right? To me, if there's any additional reading information, it's complicated. Flow, I don't give a shit what you think isn't as complicated. If you have to read something else, it's complicated.

Yeah, yeah. They haven't been able to fit it into the goddamn run of the show. Yeah. And again, like, the whole definition of like what a show is, you know, how complicated a show is, I feel it's just completely dependent on the person.

Like, you know, I feel you're speaking for the majority. Yeah, I feel like that's, you have to think of, yeah, when you're a fate fan, clearly you have something that's gone wrong where you can invest this much time into something. But a normal person will see that and think, that's absurd, I'm not doing that time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, it's, this is like me as a fate fan commenting on what I see you as the, of the fake community, but like, like, how'd, as like, the most hardcore Jojo fans, how do you feel about the Jojo fandom? Well, actually I was gonna say, like, say what you will about Jojo fans, obnoxious 100%. But like, I know many Jojo fans,

I can't speak about all of them, but who are extremely hyped when anyone even gives a shot on Netflix or whatever. You know, don't give a shit if you read the manga. It's like, don't just get into Jojo. Like we don't even fuck. For any means necessary. Yeah, it's like, I don't care if you have to play the games.

I don't care if you have to consume it through memes, just get into Jojo. I feel like that is like the number, like Jojo fan, that's all they care about, is get into it. I don't care how you do it. Just don't care how you do it. Just don't skip parts.

Just watch it in order, man. Just watch it in order. Netflix has this brilliant thing where they play it in order. Yeah. Just do that. You know, I think that's it. Like I could be wrong.

Do you, I mean, you guys. Okay, okay, well, there's also this thing play the devil's out of care. I don't know. No, no, no, no. I'm not gonna say to skip parts. I'm not gonna fucking do something sacrilegious. But like, but like, there's,

there's a part of me there is just like, Sometimes I just think a series shouldn't get mainstream. A series shouldn't get popular, you know? Like there are some people who are just like, for example, Jojo, right? It's popular as hell now, right? But like, part of me is just like, I don't think Jojo should be a mainstream series because it's just way too weird, you know? Like, I'd like, sure, if you skip parts, it might be easier to get into.

But I just feel like it's just not a series that lends itself to being like the fucking Marvel franchise, you know? I mean, it's just, it's just too out there, you know, because I feel like being part of the Jojo fan and like meeting a fellow Jojo fan, there's like, it's like a connection there. You know, you guys- You also like that weird thing I like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right?

And I'm like, especially- And then you see, especially, and then you see an unsucked dick. One of my favorite images, and I don't know why it makes me laugh, is the, it's like the gift of the Hulk running in the desert and it's Jojo fans when they see an unsucked cock.

I don't know why. You know, and I love it. It's so fun. It's so funny. Because Jojo means it's just become full circle when Jojo fans just want a clown on themselves. You're being Jojo fans, because it's so, I love it.

There are just some captions that, we're going on another different tangent. There are just some captions that I just stick out to my mind for like some gift or something. That's one of them. The other one is just like... That's why I love this mainstream.

It's just so fucking, It's just like, that's why it is mainstream. It's a fucking student. I love it. I think Jojo just like, I don't know why, how, it was just so ahead of its time. Because like, it was made way too early. For meme culture.

But like, it's sort of like predicted meme culture, not even predicted, it was just made from meme culture. Yeah, yeah. And I like, now it's getting popular because of the memes, right? And I feel like, you meet a Jojo fan, and you're like, I know you went through, I know you got through part one.

You were, you a real one, man. You stuck through. You had faith, man. You had faith. All 50, 48 episodes of part three. You believed. Yeah, yeah. I was bored in the middle too, man.

I was bored too, but I said, we got through it. We got through it together. I think something that's not often talked about Jojo is the fucking, there's, there is some boring parts to it. There is a lot of boring parts to Joe show. I've met a lot of people who have fell at part one and part three. Like it is, it is a hard show to watch at times.

Part three especially. You're rewarded. I actually thought part one was easier to get through than some of part three. Unfortunately, you know, I love part three to death because it brought us some of the most iconic parts. But, you know, as a Jojo fan, I recognize that part three is, especially the anime, is long.

And it is not good at times. Yeah. Straight up, I don't think some fights are entertaining. As much as I love the orangutang and stuff like that, that was kind of boring. Like, I ended really, you know, it's just weird. I think part three needed, was like twice as long as it needed to be. And like the ideas were less interesting

than what you saw in like other parts, I would say. I'm sure people would disagree. I don't care. That's just personal. That's because like with Jojo fans are like, Jojo, you only hear about positive things about Jojo because Jojo fans just want more people to get into the Jojo, the right way.

But, okay, okay. Totally off topic now. Kind of one topic. How do you guys feel about gatekeeping then? And gatekeeping like shows? Yeah, or just gatekeeping fandoms in general. I don't know if this is because I've become wise.

with age, now I don't give a shit. Yeah, I don't really give a shit anymore. I think when I was like 18, 17, I probably cared a bit more. I definitely cared, you know, back when I was making those like negative shows, right? But now I'm just like, if you wanna get into it, dude, just like, just get into it.

And it's like, because at the end of the day, you can gate keep all you want, but like, you know, if people do come in and find it and they don't end up liking it, then it's whatever. Like, that's not gonna make a difference for you. I mean, it's easier for me to say now, you know, my wallet is dependent on people getting into anime.

People get into anime. I'm like, come on in. Come watch some videos about it. You know what I mean? I'm like, come up. You want to find more about some black bottle? I got the right stuff. Come right in, bro.

You know, when you get some, you want some medication, you want some additional shots, come to me, you know? Yeah. Now it's great because, you know, odds are that if you watch anime, you might get into us.

So I feel like it's way easier for us. to be like, yeah, dude, I don't give a fuck, yeah, come, come watch. I mean, but I feel again, it's, as you said, it's because we have, you know, matured a lot. Yeah, but also, yeah, like I just realized like, oh, it's kind of pointless at the end of the day. But looking back when I was 16, 17, 15, you know, I think at the time I was probably defensive of it

because I was, I was probably, this is probably all I had. Yeah. You know, that made me happy. Yeah. You know, when you're 15, 60, you don't really have much to get happy about. Yeah, yeah. And to me, it was probably a thing of,

I don't want someone these normies getting into it because there's something that I care so much about and I'm so knowledgeable. I'm the only one that understands this. Well, yeah, you mean about it, but I also, you know, I feel for people who tie a lot of their self-worths to these shows.

Yeah, yeah. And I try and, you know, when I do talk about these shows, as much as I want to not discredit them for caring about it, I want to kind of do them justice, but also help understand that people coming into their show is not affecting them enjoying the show. Yeah, because I think of the thing about gatekeeping,

gaykeeping is that I understand the mentality of why people want to gatekeep and why people do it. You know, I understand it. And in even some ways, I do even empathize with it. I think I've just, like, grown past it because,

because, like, I remember, like, back in the day, when you're an anime fan, you met another anime fan, and there was just, like, there was just, like, just this fucking connection. You just kissed right away. Yeah, you, talk about sucking dick.

Like, we just skip straight. to fucking, like, anal sex, man. Like, fucking, like, like, like, no, just no, just fucking no. It's like, like, the fucking, you know that like fucking Sonic and Mario Giff? That's, that's, that's, right? That's, like, anime fans,

when they made each other in the early 2000s. That's what it was like, man. You know, especially in, like, the UK, where you don't really have many avenues to meet anime fans. Yeah, it was insane. Like, it was like, you immediately became friends. Yeah, yeah. And then, like, there was, like, so much that you,

had in common with each other because you just had never met another person that was just, that just watched anime, or even knew of it. So it was just like this, it's going to sound so cheesy, but it was just like, it was just like a special bonds that you had with, that you had that like just everyone outside just didn't have. And then like slowly, as anime got more and more and more popular, it just started feeling less special, I guess. And, you know, that sounds really pretentious, but, you know, it, it was special to you because it felt, it felt like something that only you had, only a small group of people that you could connect with had.

And then as that medium grew, you found more and more people that maybe you didn't vibe with as much or you didn't connect with as much. And you're just like, well, this just isn't as special anymore. And I feel like most recently, the community that's felt this the most probably is the fucking V-Tubing community. Because my God, the amount of gatekeeping I've seen

in the V-Tubing community is like fucking insane when it started to blow up last. Oh, you're a V-Tube fan? Name every V-T show. Yeah, right? I remember when, you know, I feel like there's been like waves, like, so I feel like first-gen anime fans, people who had to somehow bootleg it from Japan

on a VHS tape. And the second-gen is probably your gen, where you were able to get some online, but it was mainly through DVDs and sharing and stuff like that, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you were able to download sub. Yeah. Then I feel like I was like next-gen.

Like, this is where, like, my first experience was like, Espanio Sub part one out of three. That was like, that was like the worst option for me. Yeah, yeah. And I feel like, yeah, we're definitely seeing that with V-Tubers now, and it does make it more, like, less special. But I feel that, oh, I forgot what I was gonna fucking say, man. I had a point that I totally forgot.

Oh my God, I'm fucking stupid. I mean, I was, I was gonna say that what the anime community went through is basically what the gaming community went through 30 years ago, right? Like, you know, you go back in the 80s, there were kids who were like, oh, you play fucking video games, you fucking weirdo? But then when you find that one person who's like,

you like Sonic 2? I like Sonic as well. Oh my God. And that's where, you know, and then they kiss, right? And then like, and then as gaming got popular. They saw Mario and they're like, oh my God. Oh my God.

But you know, and then, you know, like in the 90s and like early 2000s when gaming got more and more popular and then, you know, the school bully would also be like, yeah, I play video games as well. Did you know that? And then, you know, you would just, yeah, and then at that point it would be like, oh, maybe this isn't like a special thing.

anymore because now everybody is doing it. But then at the same time, that's like a good thing. Because now we've got so many more games and so many more amazing games that are just like openly talked about with everybody. So like at the end of the day, you know, all those people who are gatekeeping like video games and stuff like that didn't really get anything out of it. If anything, there was stopping the advancement of something. I mean, I like the thing with the thing that, you know, I understand having things feel

less special. But at the end of the day, you've got to realize that to like kind of claim this. kind of piece of media or kind of fandom thing as yours, it's just selfish at the end of the day. They didn't make it for you. They don't give a shit about you. They didn't make the show because they want to make money. They don't give a fuck about it.

Exactly, right? Why are you having some connection to this? I get it, you love the thing and, you know, and yeah, there is some artistry behind it and whatnot. But the end of the day, it's like, you're not fucking special and the show doesn't belong to you. Yeah. And so I feel like it's almost ignorant to believe

that you have some ownership over it because you, you know, like, you know, even as YouTubers, you know, you do see people. who were like, I was here first. And as a YouTube, I'm thinking, I don't care who was first. It's great. It's like, oh, I appreciate it.

And I appreciate the people who've been watching me. But at the end of the day, it's like, I don't think you're any more important than someone who just came in, you know? The difference is that you were just on the YouTube algorithm at the right time, like the right place, you know? No one searched for, no one typed in Sea Dog VA. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So it's, you know, I, to claim some ownership over that. It's like you, they found you in the same way that the person who subscribed to you yesterday, They found you. Yeah, you know, and I don't, and I'm sure the people who made X anime or made X movie feel the same way,

where it's like, I don't care how you found us, as long as you watch. I thought you're just talking about a site then. So my mind, you were like X anime, I was like, no, X, no, I was like, like X videos? Like, what, what, what, what? Ex-hams! I can't hear the word X and the word

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Wow. Yeah, wow. You know, gatekeeping being real silent since they dropped that episode of Trash Tasteman, that's all I'm saying. With the response. Yeah, yeah, you know, like what I says to say, like, I guess it's a good discussion to have it and delve into it, but at the end of the day, it's quite hard to just be like, yeah, gatekeeping, good? When it's gaykeeping ever worked out?

Never. Literally never. Yeah, if things get popular, things just get popular. I'm sorry, that's just, that's just the end or be all. And it's gonna get, if it gets popular, then unfortunately, we have no control over it. So, I don't think a single fan has any control over how popular a show is going to get. Especially when they didn't make it.

Yeah. It's like, the only thing that can kill a creation is the creator, you know, at the end of the day. Even then, you know, even then, you know. Is that like conspiracy theorist, gatekechew? What'd you mean? What do you mean? Like, believe in like conspiracy theories. Do they like gatekeep?

Like, like, oh, yeah? The moon landing was fake? Oh yeah, how fake? Tell me, tell me about it, you know? Oh, you're just a fake one. You're sort on the news, bro. Oh, you're a conspiracy theorist? Yeah.

Name everyone. Do they like, do they like gatekeep the intensity of the theory? I remember when the anime fandom went through a phase with like, it was like a genuine discussion about how to spot a fake anime fan. Like, do you remember this Joe? You must remember this Joe. Yeah, he remembered this.

I made a video about it. I think it's like, I think it was like, the third or fourth video I ever made was called like, how to spot a fake or talk. Oh my God, what a throwback. Wow, I'm just, I'm just calling you out today, man. Joey's been real sweaty this episode. You've really, like, dated my content.

Oh my God. And I remember thinking like, damn, I just made some biting commentary. So, wait, wait, how did you stop on a spot of fake anime fan? I'm genuinely curious. It was like eight years ago I made this video. But I feel like Joey was that stereotypical gatekeeping anime fan.

Joey was that person. I'm not even gonna pretend that I wasn't that guy because I was absolutely that guy. But then again, I think a lot of antitubers were back then. And I feel, again, it was those kinds of antitubers who got watched. I feel like you've read the room pretty well as time's gone on. Like I feel like you've understood what to change. Yeah. Well, you know, I became an adult.

At the end of the day, I realized, oh, all this shit about like gatekeeping and, you know, hating on a show that's popular, you know, to pose a controversial opinion. That's just childish. It's a lot of energy, man, to get angry about this stuff. So I was just, you know, I'm sure I would gatekeep if I had the energy for it. You know what I mean? Yeah. And you know, me, in real life, I'm, like, the least angry person. Yeah. I don't get angry about shit very old.

I feel like I get angry about dumb shit in life. I don't really get angry about stuff like. I get angry about like, oh, my taxi is two minutes late. I get like fake angry over it. I just wanna get angry about stuff, but I'm not actually angry about stuff. I just wanna make a, I just wanna like, to get angry about something to gone.

I'm like, this pissed me off. And I'm not actually pissed off. But you're just saying. I just wanna say, I'm, I don't know why I like doing that. I think it's just part of being British. Yeah, I think you're just really. Yeah. And like, everyone will know that I'm not actually angry, but I just don't know why.

I like getting worked up into like a funny way. I know when you're actually angry because you don't tell me you're angry. I think I actually get angry. I'm like silent. Yeah, he's the silent. Yeah, he's actually angry. But I never get angry about stuff I like or anything like that

because I'm just like, all right, okay, yeah, I mean, okay, cool. Yeah, it's, to me, to me, it's like, if I get angry over someone's opinion or something like that, which is why, like, I fucking love trash taste where I'm just like, you have a shit opinion about food or music or gaming or whatever. We can just be fake angry, and that's why I love discussing it, because I love discussing it with anyone, right?

Because you can, like, when I call someone, when I say someone that's trash taste, ha ha, ha, ha. Trustace is fake. We're not actually angry. When I say someone has trash tastes, you can say it with the knowledge that you don't actually mean it, you know, and if someone actually takes that seriously,

then I can be like, you know. I think I get angry, but the emotion isn't there. Yeah, actually, some opinions you've said if I'm like, what the fuck? Like, I'm actually pissed off, but like, I'm not actually like upset. Yeah, but you're not going to be like after the camera turns,

if you're not going to be like, you get a visceral reaction where I'm just like, I need to say something right now, right? The fact that you just don't like the bidet thing, I actually made me like kind of angry at times. So I'm just like, imagine like, you know, getting to. It's the angriest I've been all year. I just can't like, you've had this amazing opportunity

to have your ass sprayed and it just pissed me off that you didn't want it anyway. That's a totally different argument. Yeah, I mean. These are flashing. Oh, yeah, should we stop? What the fuck is going on here? I'm angry.

Being fake angry. It is what it is. Just be angry. It is what it is. I can't remember what point we live on. It is, I don't know. I don't know. Our cameras cut out.

They ran out, the SD cards were full, so we are. Yeah, we completely lost the point that we're on. Basically, when I'm angry, I'm not angry. When I'm angry, I might be angry. I'm actually angry. Yeah. Well, like, going back to, because I, like, going back to, like, having haters that won't give you content

and a chance, have you ever, like, watch someone's content, said it wasn't for you, and then for some reason, you came back years later and you're just like, damn, okay, this content's actually pretty good. Oh yeah, I've had a few options, like a few times where I've been like that, but I think it's also because like, you know,

as you grow older, the type of content you watch is just gonna be different, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, I've had the opposite effect as well where it's like, you know, I think it's very common to be like, oh, I used to watch this YouTuber, I grow up and then, oh, it's not so much for me anymore so you can grow out of it.

But I think like growing into a channel as well is very much. I think that's more interesting because like you grow out, you grow out of a lot of channels, You know, a lot of content becomes dated, you know, especially if the creator doesn't evolve. But what I find more interesting is that if you find a creator that you just think is not for you

and then you come back years later. Oh, 100%. And you're just like, damn, you're actually a cool guy and you make cool content. Oh, like, you know, if like 10 years ago, right, when I was in my teens, like, you would never catch me watching like a Tom Scott video or a Mark Robo video, right? But like now, I fucking love those channels because it's like super interesting. And I feel now that I have so much more of just, you know, a base knowledge. Yeah.

To be able to appreciate content like that. Yeah, yeah. Whereas, you know, again, 10 years ago, I'd be like, give me the poo-poo-pipi jokes. We're like those. Those don't exist on this channel. Boring. Yeah. I'm trying to think if there is any YouTube.

I feel like the biggest example for me was probably Felix, where like, especially when he, like, debuted as like the let's player and the face of YouTube, right? I'm just like, I'm just like, who is this guy? Who is this guy, like, making, like, you know, I think he was like. screaming every video, screaming every video, like fucking doing, fucking doing ear rapes

like every five seconds or whatever. And I was like, this is just not my kind of content. And then like, it's so, it was so interesting, seeing his content evolve over time and just being like,

okay, he's not, he's not even close to the face of YouTube anymore, at least officially. Yeah. And, and now, like, to me, he, like, makes content that was just like,

I, I just started watching him, like, years back, like, he had stopped the let's play phase because I can't remember how long it took for him to, to like change his content for being like the let's player guy to just being like the, I'm just a mean guy and I'm just going to do what I want. Because that content appealed to me way more and it was just really interesting to be like,

oh, he's a way cooler than I ever thought he was when I was a kid. And I thought, and I thought this was the kind of content that he made. Yeah, definitely. I feel like during his let's play era, like, you know, he was showing a lot of himself, you know, because at the end of the day, like, I think the best way for let's players to grow is to have that personality that you can, you know, yeah, kind of attach to. But at the same time, like, now that I know him personally,

I'm like, that wasn't you. Like, that was not fearless. That was beautiful. I feel like you become a successful YouTuber when you stop trying to be a YouTuber. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the real goal to being a good YouTuber is to stop trying to be one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, like when you just embrace just who you are, yeah, yeah. Like he makes videos on like philosophy from time to time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, even though I might not particularly have an interest in that, I think there is something that is very interesting

about someone who just wants to talk about something they like. Yeah. And once you have that basic understanding of how to make a video entertaining, you can then apply that to things that your audience probably didn't know anything about and kind of get them interested in it. Or at least have them entertained for four or five minutes.

Yeah, I mean? My favorite video from him to this day is still the one that it came completely out of left field that he made a couple of years ago. He just made this five-minute video of him just spilling his love of a blam? Blam. That was, that's, oh my God, that's my favorite feature video as well.

Because it was so just like, it was nothing like he'd ever made before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he made, you know, anime content every now and there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But for him to, like, he wasn't even on camera. It was just his voice. I remember, just pictures of panels and him just spilling his love over this very, very niche yet amazing manga series. And I'm like, damn, dude, like, that's the most human I've ever heard you being.

Honestly, like, a little secret here, but that video actually inspired me to do more personal videos as well. It was that single video. that just came out of left field. I was like, yeah, what, what, what, what, what, what PewDiePie is this? Yeah, I'm like, like, like, like, it like, it's e-rapes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, right, I know right.

Because I think it was, it was that video, not only like got me back into his content, but also inspired me and inspired me to change my own content to just be like, maybe I don't need to be the ha ha ha funny guy. Maybe I can make serious content as well, right? Yeah, yeah. Ha ha funny guy. I don't like, I think the biggest curveball I've like had recently was,

recently I like got recommended. a video of Logan Paul's editor, right? Right. Who went through his, who basically broke down how he edited some of Logan Paul's newest videos. So it was like, it was like a new, I believe it's a new editor that has just been around for the more recent content. And he broke down what he did during the editing phase and like how he broke down the story

and narrative and how he made certain jokes work. And I was just like, yeah, this is, he, this guy knows what he's doing. Holy shit, he's a really good editor. And then I watched some of his more recent content. and obviously like separating the man from the content he makes, it was just really good content. I was like fucking blown away

that I was enjoying a Logan Paul video and I just genuinely thought it was like good content. Like I don't know, he doesn't upload that often anymore because why would he when he's making fucking millions of dollars boxing, whoever the fuck he's gonna box. Yeah, I wanna box someone so bad. Just for the money.

I don't even give a shit about the sport. I was, so much money they're making for me. No, but I agree though, like, you know, again, like, there was always, for the longest time, there was always that stigma of, you know, like, oh, Logan Paul video equals bad, right? But again, like, I feel Logan Paul's one of those people who, you know, to his credit, has kind of done a 180 on his content

and has really, like, showed that, like, oh, someone can actually kind of mature and, like, make a better person of themselves. And, you know, like, you might not be exactly a fan of him, but you have to respect the fact that he has changed his content. Yeah. In a lot of cases, and for a lot of people, for the better. Yeah. You know?

And this is just me, like, people. as a content creator, appreciating, when someone makes good content, you can tell when someone's making good content. And I can at least appreciate that, you know. What you do off the camera, something completely fucking different, you know. But yeah, I mean, like going back to the boxing thing,

is there anyone you want to box, sorry? You just mentioned that and I was just like, I need to know. Yeah, now I need to know. Anyone who, I should make a tier list of YouTube I think I could. YouTube is like a beat in a fine deal list. Frash taste boxing special.

That's number one on the list, Gant. God. Let's do it, let's do it. Someone who can help me get a lot of money from it. That would be good. That's, dude, why would anyone else do it? What the fuck? No, they're all doing it for the money.

I'll do it for the money. The money seemed crazy. The money's like, the money is actually insane. But like, okay, like, one thing, one thing that I'm always, like, struggling with as a creator, right, is the kind of like the upload schedule that you gave yourself, right? Because like to me, I've, you know, unfortunately, success was-Lam-A upload schedule.

Yeah, Lamar-A-Lamah! L'A-Lam-A. I mean, like, for me, it's like way less than you guys, right? But like, you see a lot of YouTubers go for this phase, right, where they have, they have, like, this very strict upload schedule, and then they get successful doing something else on their YouTube, and then their upload, you kind of notice that the upload schedule for their main channel or their original channel?

Oh, so you get successful doing something outside of their own channel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, are you ever, you ever, you kind of, you know, you ever, you can't, So like how much personal attachment do you have you to your own channel that would you ever be scared if it like if it dies even though you're doing well outside of it? I mean we have trash taste now which is- Yeah, I mean obviously I don't like failing in anything.

I'm a competitive guy. I want to win in every aspect of my life. I don't wanna fail in something. Okay, if your YouTube channels dies, are you a successful YouTuber? Well I mean, okay, okay. If your YouTube channel dies, but if one successful, are you a successful?

Well, it depends, like, like, there's plenty of people who... Would you say you're a failed YouTuber? There's, there's plenty of people who are still succeeding on, like, other platforms. It depends how your channel died. Yeah. You know, like, if you, if you killed it with your own volition and, like, because of something you did, then, like, you know, maybe. Oh, yeah, but I don't, I don't buy the whole thing.

Well, the algorithm fuck me, fuck off. No, no, no, no, no, not like that. If it's like, you know, if someone just said, like, if you're a really successful YouTuber and one day you were just like, you know what, kind of want to do something else. And then you're just, like, peace out. And I think you can say you're a successful YouTuber. If you got canceled for some shit, maybe not. But if you had a slow decline,

your videos weren't really improving, you kind of stagnated, you know, your channel kind of fizzled out. Mm. Are you successful YouTuber? I don't think in that case that you're a failed YouTuber. No, everyone, not every, everyone will peak eventually.

You know, that's just, that's just a part of life and that's just a part of the platform. It's just a matter of like, when you think it's the right time to end it, you know? Like, because some people, Some people don't even end it, but they are, you know, they're still living pretty comfortably

and they're still getting decent enough views on what they do. It's just not nearly the same level as what they were doing in their peak. What's your definition of a successful YouTube? What success to you, Connor? Yeah. Money, fame, pyramid scheme.

I don't know, just, uh... Like, cause there's so many YouTubers now then, I'm just like, whatever happened to them. I mean, it's, you know, it's one of those things where let's, it's very hard to tell someone to do the exact same thing they're doing for half the money. Yeah.

You know, it's, it's a hard thing to do. Yeah. Regardless of how good the money still is or how, you know, it's very difficult to tell someone, hey, just accept you're doing half as good as you were last month. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because that's something that takes a toll on you.

It does. You know you're capable of getting what you had. Yeah. And how do you, you know, because especially if it's like more than just one person, if there's a team of you, it's impossible to get the team. everyone on the team to be like,

yeah, dude, let's just keep doing what we're doing for half the money, you know? It's the reality of it. Yeah, do the same thing for half the paycheck. You know, because stuff like, God, I don't know, like Yog's cast or whatever, when they were making like, I don't know, fucking a billion dollars or something from Minecraft.

Yeah, or game-gams. Yeah, how do you convince the gang to stay together when the money isn't going as well? This sounds like a fucking prelude for trash. What if we start getting less few? We get 800 K views in everything. So you guys. We're done, we're done.

What's that Twitter page where it's just like things that have aged horribly? Just see this clip getting posted like three years or something, man. Well, no, I mean, you know, I feel like in terms of that, you know, I feel like it depends on what you are doing. Like if you have an insane schedule, it's the likelihood is gonna be there

where you're gonna be more likely to quit if the money isn't as good, if the schedule is intent. You know, trash taste we just tell once and we can fucking talk. I can't see, anytime soon where this becomes a burden to my life. No, no. Oh, fuck, I gotta talk once a week.

Jesus Christ. Oh my God, I gotta talk to my best mates. Oh my God, no, you know. Is it worth my throat power? I don't know. You know, I'm just trying to say, just in case people get fucking worried. So there's like, always like,

what, they're mentioning groups declining. And, you know, I, I... Well, again, like, okay, so then taking that same, you know, like, hypothetical that you were saying, like, let's put that in the case with trash. Trash taste, right? Right, so like, would you say, would you say that in like, you know,

how would you say that in, how of many years time, if we were getting half or a quarter of the views, right? Yeah. I just want to talk. I don't give a shit. I wasn't expecting a million views anyway. You know, I don't care if, you know,

I was prepared for like a hundred to 50K. We were prepared for 100K after a year. We've said this many times. At the end of the day, this is, and it always has been a passion project, and I just want to talk. Yeah. Yeah, I've got a big mouth.

I want to just talk with my friends, you know, and I want to have an outlet to do that. Whether that's narcissistic, you can judge for yourself. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I don't know if I need to see a psychiatrist about it. I don't know.

But yeah, it's just, that was what it was for me. It was never a, it was never a business venture. It was always- We never planned for this to be like as successful as I mean. It's not more successful. Obviously, if we can make good money, we'll make good money and we'll do it we can. But obviously, if it stops making money,

I'm not gonna care. But because I have other things that I'm doing. And it's, I never try and put all my eggs in one basket. But, you know, in cases where there were channels where people's whole career was riding on it, It's hard to, I find it is hard to convince people to stay on board when the money is like one third, one, half, you know?

It's hard. Well, I think in that case, it does, like, you do have to kind of follow your passion, right? Because you're not gonna be happy grinding out the same content that you've been making. Well, that really shows if you are passionate as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If it does plummet for some reason.

But also, again, there has to be a question that has to be, a question has to be answered there. It's like, okay, if the views did half, something has gone wrong. Whether you like to admit it or not, something has gone wrong. And it's not always the algorithm. Sometimes, okay, on a freak accident,

you know, with the whole, okay, I'm back to Yonksk, it didn't even fucking know, York, York, what happened to Yolkska. So Yostcast was a channel that made Minecraft videos and they didn't really, you know, you could blame the algorithm, you could blame the algorithm,

and yeah, there was a time when the algorithm was changing. But if one thing has been proven, Minecraft has been everlasting on YouTube. Yeah. And clearly what's needed to be done was to change the content. Yeah, right?

And they didn't change the content. content. So, you know, time and time again, YouTube has proven that it is more often than not not YouTube's fault. Yeah. Yes, if you're an animator, you've been fucked over. Yeah. But also, animation channels are still doing well. So you have to change what you're doing. I mean, there's animation channels that have done well because they've adapted their kind of workflow. Yeah, it's, you know, everyone wants to demonize YouTube and they change the algorithm and it is what it is, you know. At the end of the day,

as YouTube, as you're on borrowed time. Yeah. It's always changing. You should have known better. When you were getting into this, it was always changing. Yeah.

You are building a foundation on quicksand. You should have been changing that foundation as you're building this tower constantly. And so when I get angry when I see these YouTubers who complain about the YouTube video being demonetized on Twitter, they throw a fuss that it's not being, it's not getting the same views.

And I want to reply to them, but we're mutuals there, and we're supposed to be civil, and I wanna just slap them and be like, listen, you know what's going on. Don't try and get your fans to shout at YouTube. They get enough shit, you know, and there are YouTubers, I won't name them,

but there's a lot of them who still do it, who constantly complain at YouTube, and it pisses me off, because I'm like, this is not YouTube's fault. This is your fault. Yeah. And the fact that you can't see that, or maybe you do see it and you don't care, it's really annoying.

Yeah. Yogscastle the channel that made, I should go into that, if you talk about Yogsardt, which I've made Minecraft videos and their channel started dying because they didn't really change it up and it's just over like two or three years.

So they had plenty of time to change it up. And more often than not, there is, there is an obvious factor at play that went wrong. Yeah. Whatever that might be, we don't know. Was that the end of the point? Yeah. Well, we were gonna state the obvious point.

I always said with the Oxcass, you know, like they just didn't change their content. Okay, because the way ended up was like, and then there was an obvious reason why it declined. You know, uh. You ended up, Like you ended that sentence in a comma. It's so obvious, it's so obvious.

It's so obvious that I don't need to state it. Like name a channel, name a channel, I'll tell you the reason. I'm so knowledgeable about YouTube. Ryan Higa. Ryan Higa? He just doesn't upload anymore. What do you mean? He just stopped uploading.

Every video that Ryan did outside of the podcast, did well. Yeah, yeah. That's true. When he did a, you know, when he actually tried, it did well. Like he just wanted to become a Twitch streamer. Congratulations, Ryan. You succeeded in doing what you were.

That's what I'm saying. I still think he's a successful YouTuber. He's like not pulling the numbers of his peak, but like to me that doesn't matter because it's like, you're like, everyone will reach a point where they reach the peak. I mean, I even I think I've reached the peak that I can reach making anime content.

Right now there is just like, to me there's just like a cap of like just purely anime content. And like it's, I've tried for years to break through that cap, but I just don't think the audience is there at the moment. For every 100,000, thousand YouTube channels. Yeah. There is one that will get a breakout that does well and blows up.

Yeah. Out of those channels that blow up, there is maybe one in ten that understands what they need to do to change their content and to keep evolving, to have an everlasting, like presence on the platform. Yeah. You know, people like, you know, Michael Reeves had like a few videos that blew up.

Yeah. He understood what he needed to do. I don't know. I don't know, maybe he did. I don't know if he did, it could have been sheer dumb luck, you know, But he was making moves and he was making the content and upgrading the things in the places that needed to be upgraded.

You know, I felt, maybe Michael Reeves doesn't feel like he'd blow up. But I, when I watched Michael Reeves and he didn't whole fucking, when his whole branding was the laser pointer in the eye guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was how he started and he just blew up from there and he kept riding the wave

and he kept doing what was right, you know, because a lot of people, and more often than not the channels that do die are ones that had massive explosions and growth. Yeah. That's the what scares me, actually. Because if you have massive growth, something is going,

you've kind of hit the nail on the head in so many ways and you probably don't understand why. Yeah. Because this is just sheer luck to you. And the first instinct is to go, keep doing the same thing. I'll do that again. Yeah, because, you know, when you first do it

and you have steady growth, yeah, I think all of us have had pretty steady growth, I'd say. Not us have had months or we've blown up insane amounts. Yeah. You get, you afford the cushion to make the mistakes. Yeah. of uploading repetitive content,

realizing that's not the way to do it. You get to slowly make all these mistakes. Yeah. And it gives you kind of like a very nice cushion of I can make these mistakes and then I can learn from them. It's like the buffer that you get. Yeah.

Because to me, the biggest thing that scares me when I see like maybe an up-and-coming YouTube or maybe like a new YouTube making content on the platform is when they have one or two videos that blow up, it's it, and then it's a pattern I see where you have, one or two videos that get millions and millions of views, and then the next video gets like 20K views. Like I've seen that so many times.

Like Mr. Beast, right? Mr. Beast blew up on some weird fucking videos. Yeah, yeah. Counting to 100,000. Yeah, yeah. What a, like insane 10,000 IQ move. And then he just kept building on it. He never, he never ever repeated something for too long.

Yeah. You know, he repeated it a little bit, which is fine, you can do that. I'm not saying don't repeat ideas. He deviated, like, or he, you evolved on it. It made like a derivation of the content that would do well, yeah. He would do something like watching Logan Paul every day bro for 10 hours, right? Or 24 hours, right?

So he took what was successful about the one video. Yeah, sorry, Jake Paul. Wow, fake YouTuber. Terrible. He took the aspect that people liked, which is watching something for an absurd amount of time or doing something, so much, and then applying it to something else, and it worked.

And then he realized, okay, now I'm getting all the success. How do I then, what's kind of the virality here? What's enticing people? It's just the insane absurd nature of what he's doing. So then he decided, I'm gonna spend a shit ton of money, which is like the next best step. If you can waste a ton of time, what goes hand in hand with wasting time?

Spending too much money. They're two sides of the same coin. Like, it's the same thing. Yeah, and it's genius. Yeah, he was just the master of making content that was so ridiculous that no one could emulate it. No one wanted to emulate it. I mean, I mean, watching Mr. Beast, right?

It's just like- It's a master class in YouTube. I'm just like, watching Mr. and like every time he makes something new or makes new moves or something, it's like, you know when like, you feel like, you feel like that side character in an anime that's just like, okay, this is the genius character

and I'm just merely the side character in his story. That's what I feel like watching Mr. Bees, man. You're the side character that has to commentate every movie's movie, right? It's like, I can't believe he just did that move. What's that? I'll explain it. Like when he just like, fucking opened a burger chain, I was just like, you are fucking mad,

but that is like the most genius move. Yeah. I could ever see anyone doing. Because no one's even close to his genius. And like, I don't know, like, I think part of it is just experience because, like, Mr. Beast went so many years, making so many different types of content. And then he blew up, like, I think, like seven years

into his YouTube career. So he just has a lot of experience under his belt. But there is just a natural genius to some of the stuff that he does that is just unmatched by every other content creator right now. Yeah. And, you know, God forbid, there are so many channels out there right now that are trying to do something of similar taste

to what Mr. Bees does do. I mean, I think we'd be lying if like we hadn't taken some kind of idea or concept from Mr. Bees onto our own channel. Of course, of course. Spending money a cool thing. Yeah, exactly, right? That's why many of my titles is money in it

because it just works, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I think every YouTuber has done at least one video where they've tried to do something similar to varying levels of success. Yeah, I mean, you often, you see kind of, you see content creators, Like, you see these type of content creators come on the platform every so often where they just like, they're so ahead of the game that they just like completely revolutionized the content on the platform like Casey Nice there. I remember when like every vlogger tried to be Casey Nice there because he was just when he first started making the vlogs that he did, which was just like taking taking a day and instead of just making like this handy cam vlog, but just actually making it kind of like a short film. Yeah. And that was just like that was revolutionary for the time and like nobody could touch him for the longest.

Because he had to be insane to do what he was doing. Yeah, oh my God. That man got like four hours of sleep, and he had like a family, and like this shit was insane. Like the amount of shit he was doing at a day, I felt exhausted watching. And he has like a factory full of cameras.

Yeah, and then he went home and edited it. And I'm like, I would rather shoot myself. Yeah. Like honestly, this thing, this looked insane. It's not, dude, just like daily vlog, it's just in general. I'm totally not surprised that he got burnt out and quit doing it.

Like, you know, anyone. Have you ever seen the film Limitless? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like, if there's any real life example of someone who's discovered that drug, it was Casey Knice that when he first started blowing up, man. Cause my God, like, it's such an example

for someone who's just like, how are you finding this many hours in the day, man? You are using 100% of your brain, man. You've discovered the limitless drug. Yeah, honestly. It's insane. I'm in so much respect to the dude, but like, just Jesus Christ.

Yeah. He really set the bar high. Holy fuck. I get exhausted thinking about what he was doing. Yeah. Like, it's insane. We don't even do a tenth of what he has. No, I don't know, no, no, right, yeah.

My God, like, I've had like, these past three months have possibly been the most busiest three months of my life. And it's still like, it's nothing compared to whatever the fuck that he went through at his peak. For years as well. For years as well. Okay, he's also taking a shit,

let alone just like, thinking about doing what he's doing. You know what I mean? Like, I just, I can't, I don't have energy for that. Jesus. Like, okay, so like, how long, how long did it take you doing work on YouTube before you realized, man, it's fucking tiring doing videos.

Because I feel like every YouTuber goes through the phase where like YouTube, making videos at some point was just easy. It was just like, I'm getting paid to do something, that is my hobby. It's where you first make a video and you're like, I don't think I like this. I don't think I like this video. I think I hate this.

It's when you start to become like really perfectionist about your videos, I feel. Because like when you're starting off, you again, you have that honeymoon period of like everything you make is like, oh, that's cool, that's fun. Let's do that. Yeah, I enjoyed that. Yeah, let's go.

But then as you start to make more content, and as you start to grow and start to realize, oh, I got to like up my quality in the content and up my quality of the cameras or whatever, that's when you start to get a little more self-reflective on your own content, right? And you start to think, oh, that video I made last week that I was loving, now that I look at it, could have done a little better on that. Maybe this next video I'll do a lot better. Yeah.

And I feel that's the point where you start to be like, oh, okay, now this is like serious. this is like a job now. Yeah. It's like kind of not only is my rent and like my living on the line for the success of this video, but also like just my artistic integrity of making content now.

Yeah. It's kind of on the line. And I don't know. Not every YouTuber can say that. I feel like I don't. I feel like I just make stuff I like, I don't know. Right, but you know, but at the same time you'd be lying if you said that you didn't care

about how your video looked or how to instruction. Oh no, of course not. I love making a good video. Yeah. So I feel in a lot of ways, like as much as you maybe don't wanna admit, that is in a sense, artistic integrity. Like you want to make the best,

you wanna make the best shit you can make. Yeah, you wanna make shit you're proud of. Yeah, exactly. That's just been my philosophy. And that's why I've never like paid too much attention to the algorithm and stuff like that. Maybe seeing what kind of content's doing well or stuff like that.

But at the end of the day, I'd like, it sounds like such generic advice or whatever, but it's kind of true in a sense, where just good content is king. At the end of the day, there's some videos that will not perform as well on the algorithm, but for the most part,

if you make good content, people are going to watch it. And then at every soft, and you get something like Darwin, which just fucking blows your mind because you're just like, okay, I don't understand. But that's the thing, right?

I just, okay, maybe, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe, maybe my entire understanding of this platform has just been warped, but that's the thing, right? At the end of the day, I think everyone is asking the question, what is good content? Like what the fuck does that even mean?

Right? Because like to some people, that's dumb, man. And to other people, it's a gig-a-video video. Like, we don't know. What is good content at the end of the day? I think Darwin is, I mean, you can't say it's bad. It's very well-produced. It's just, I think it's just so absurd

and just the amount of views is so absurd. Yeah. So that's what's just kind of crazy, I think. It's just insane. The amount of views this man brings in. Yeah, I mean, I can understand. I think that's the biggest thing,

because he makes well-produced content. And it's just like, it's just not correlational to like kind of like the views that they're seeing on this platform. These videos are amazingly produced, but the story is just fucking bizarre. Like, it's like a child growing. It's really strange because everything else is amazing. Right.

Like these videos are shot better than like almost any of the YouTube video. Like it's insane. Yeah, I don't know. Like I've always found it fascinating, like the kind of whole question of like, what is like a successful video? What is like a good successful video, right?

Because like, you know, if you're talking about like, okay, is a good content one that has quality? Yeah, right? And like, how do you explain the fucking chonch chart video that has 10 million views, you know? That's like, that's got quality. Yeah, right? But like on a, on a traditional sense, it's not.

It's like, you know, like report of the week, right? He just, right? It's like, in production quality is terrible. Yeah, it sucks. But it's like, it's amazing because it's what made YouTube great. And I feel that's like a big question that like a lot of people who are starting off YouTube ask, right? It's like, you know, like they go up to the YouTuber

who's been on the platform for a while, and being like, okay, so you're telling me that in order to be successful, I need to make good content. Explain that. What is good content? Good content is anything that, you know, you've taken the time to consider every aspect of the content.

You consider audio, you consider visuals. Like you watch a report of the week video. Yeah, the audio quality isn't professional, but you're like, you can hear it. It sounds good enough. It's not unpleasant. You can watch it, it's good enough. You know, he doesn't try and egregiously clickbait it.

He doesn't chase trends, you know? I feel like, content to me is someone who is just chasing trends for the sake of it. Yeah. The clickbait is just disgustingly egregious. They're making X thousands of dollars never considered to upgrade equipment, you know, stuff like that. You know, if you're a full-time YouTuber and you're using like a USB mic, I'm just like, what?

Bro, they're like, they're literally a hundred bucks and the audio quality difference is insane. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no excuse in my mind other than, oh, I don't want to look. It's too complicated. It's not that difficult. Yeah. It's really not difficult. Yeah.

But I normally notice that the people who do do. chase trends have like, have like a set shelf life. Yeah. They will get massive amounts of views for like one or two years or most. Or you'll go to their channel, one video will have a million views, one will have 100.

Yeah, and it's like, it's like, that's how you can tell, like, that's a channel where you're like, probably not making the most consistent stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or your content, you're clearly just, you know, appealing to a wider audience. That doesn't so much care about you?

Your only is worth as much as your worst performing video. Yeah. Like if you're, if a video that doesn't get in the algorithm doesn't do well, but people still show up and watch it. Yeah. That's how you can kind of tell, I guess. That's your core fan. Yeah. That's, that's like what, you know, the people who really would turn up. And that's what, if you can pull in, you know, X amount of views that is like a healthy amount on your worst performing video, that says a lot, I think. Yeah. If you are pulling in a million views, then you pull in 50K. I think something's gone horribly wrong there. And clearly you're doing something that's not healthy or sustainable.

And sure, you can keep chasing Chen, chasing Chen, but not, try, I pronounceing Chin, chasing Chen. Demon Slayer, demons slayer, demons slayer. But then that's also where you see YouTubers who start to do questionable things, because they get so desperate for these views that they start doing these horrible video ideas. You know, actual, like just clickbait.

You know, some real egregious stuff, you know, it's like where the prank channels, you know, you can look at this clear examples where they were chasing pranks so much that it became to the point where, okay. It was no longer a prank. Yeah. Well, yeah, they started, they would do stuff like pranks in the hood

where these like white guys would just go and like, slap them like some black guys. They would just try, it was just like a try to get shot challenge or something like that. It's like, what the fuck is this? And then they would also, it got to the point where every single prank channel was paying actors. And then there was like kissing pregnant women prank

and it's just like, this is just like, what is this? Like this is so beyond clickbait now where you have to get views, you have to go into such egregious territory, you know, and with the family channels where they would just put their fucking, here's my, here's my child's vasectomy for 10 million views, you know, it's like, what is this? This is not, this is not, this is not, it should be a neutral. You know, you, you joke, right?

But this is the, almost the extent of these fucking family channels would go. So much wrong with that. They would be like, oh yeah, today, my children are going to. to fight to see who's the strongest. 10 million people. Last one to survive gets Burger King. I joke, but some of these channels were doing such egregious stuff to their children

that you may as well have put that up for fuck's sake. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like when you chase trends and you're the kind of person who's willing to put morals aside to get the views is when you really see the worst side of YouTube come out. Yeah. And I'm not saying if you trace chens,

you're gonna be doing some horrible stuff on YouTube. But it is, it's a tasteful way of doing it. There is an uncomfortable similarity to the people who start to chase trends, who sort of starting to get at the questionable area. And there's a kind of, there's definitely a spectrum. Yeah. Of distastefulness, as I like to be.

And you can tell when someone's on it. Yeah. No, because like for me, like, when I think, what, when I think about what kind of content I want to make or what good content is, I just, I just think back to that, like, I just think back to that, like, seed in Bakuman or something, where it's just like, I remember, like, the editor of Shonen Jump in that series said like, it doesn't matter what you make,

as long as it's interesting. Like that to me, like that to me is like, what sticks out my mind whenever, whenever anyone thinks, you know, whatever the algorithm is, whatever video you wanna make, just has to be interesting to someone, yeah, unfortunately. And, uh, but we've seen the kind of like toxic content in traditional media, right?

Like, tabloids, right? It's like you're, you're ruining someone's life to get content. Yeah, it's, uh, it's a thing as old as time. If someone wants it, and someone's consuming it, someone's gonna make it. Whether it's good or bad or not, is another question entirely, you know,

like nobody respects TMZ. Yeah, but TMZ exists because it gets views, you know what I mean? The same as on YouTube, you know, these channels are gonna exist because people are gonna watch them. Naked yoga exists on YouTube, should it? I don't know, but people are watching it. What do you think of a drama channels?

What's, what's, because I feel like there's, that's a can of work. I feel like there's such a fine line with drama channels from being like acceptable to just pure cancer, right? It's such a- I wonder who you're talking about. It's such a, it's such a like fine line

to tread, right? And I think when it comes to drama channels, there's the right way to do it and there's the wrong way to do it. Oh, I like scarce. Scarce is chill. I was about to say, I think Scarce is a drama channel done, right, because he merely states the facts.

Yeah. That's it. Like, and there's, there, I feel there are too many drama channels, that think that they're also commentary channels. When I feel those are two very different things. Yeah. Like you can be a drama channel that like scarce who just states the facts like this is what happened. I don't wanna hear their opinion.

Yeah, and then there are people who are like, here's the drama, here's why you should be on that person's side. Like that's cancerous. Yeah. Right, like just be like, just say what happened, just state the fact and let the audience make up their own mind. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, to be honest. I think that's why I like the right opinion as well because at least like he does, he does,

he does put his opinion in it, or like whenever he's breaking down whatever drama or whatever. But that's not the core of his video. That's not the core of his video, right? He's breaking down what's happening, and he separates that from his opinion. It's like a clear divide, and that's kind of what I like,

because he allows you to make up your own mind, but then he also, you know, he also puts in his own opinion as well, his own perspective, and I feel like that's kind of the right way to go about it. And, you know, even sometimes there might be drama channels that do that, but they're also just toxic personality.

as well. Right. And again, like, I feel it really does come down to like the personality of the presenter as well. Like if you, if you sell yourself as this kind of like, like, you know, starting a mob, like, you know, toxic kind of guy who then also gives your opinion about a certain piece of drama that, let's be real, you're not fucking involved with. Yeah. You just saw it and you're like, oh, dude, check, check out this fight that's happening right now. Let's, let's root for one person, right? That's when it becomes toxic. But if you're just like, here's what's happening, you're probably heard of it. Here are the details. Make up your own mind. Yeah. You know, it's like, I'm not involved. I'm just the messenger. Do with it what you will. Then I think, I think in a lot of ways,

that's fine. Yeah. But again, it really just depends on like how you present it and how you present yourself. Yeah. This is why I can never be a drama channel because I would just like overthink it so much that I probably wouldn't even make the video. There's just so much drama. How do you keep up with it? Exactly. How? It's probably exhausting. Yeah. Like, 99% of that time, I just don't give a shit. Honestly, one thing that, like, we've talked about toxic anime fandoms, but I think in general, compared to, like, the other communities and the other things going on in other place,

I think Anitube is, like, kind of, like, chill and drama-free. I mean, we've had, like, our drama, but compared to what we've seen elsewhere, it's been, like, pretty tame. Yeah, that's pretty chill now. Yeah. It used to not be that chill, but I feel like it's a little bit of a chill. Really?

I feel like even when it was not that chill, it was, like, still way more chill than other places. It was way more contained, I feel. Like it wasn't like the other communities where like people from other communities would hear about a different community. But the thing is with communities, right? And then drama is that it's, you know,

as much as people want to, unless someone does something really scandalous, like really fucked and that transcends beyond the community and it's just so fucked that even like normal people are like, whoa. You know, that's a rare circumstance. But other than that, the drama in the community caused and solely responsible as by like the biggest creators in the community.

Yeah. If the biggest creators are making drama in a space, then there's drama in that space. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like if we're anime fans and we start doing something that's really fucked. We better watch ourselves then. No, it's true. You know, if we, if we do something, it's, it's kind of in the anime community, right?

It's kind of, that would be considered. Not saying that we're so big the drama, but like, you know, the community is kind of almost dictated at times by like the biggest people in it. Oh yeah. And that behavior is reflected downwards. So if you get into shit and you say a bunch of shit, yeah, the community's gonna kind of merit that. This episode is sponsored by Honey.

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Yeah. You know, any passionate projects you've been working on recently other than the fate one? Um, I guess I don't, I kind of don't want to talk about it now. Fair enough. Because, because like, I talked about the fate video. and people were asking me about it for an entire year. Because like here's the thing,

when you're working on a passion project, feels great, you just wanna talk about it, you wanna get it out, and then you forget that you have to make it as well. That's literally me with the OSME Poonpun video. Like, people will be asking, I'd be writing that shit for years now. It's like, when is it? When is it coming out?

And I'm like, don't fucking rush the passion, okay? I probably record it was one of my favorite, one of my favorite videos the other day. and it was just so fun and it was very fun. Everything about it was great. I filmed, it should be out by the time this is airing, hopefully. If not, I guess it's a surprise. I filmed a video where I worked at a gay bar in Shenzuki.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was very fun. They were just so welcoming. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, nice, nice. It was just a great time. I almost forgot how to have cameras on me because I was having a great time reacting and hanging out with the boys. Like, we were just talking.

The lads. Yeah, man, it was just so fun, especially in Japan, you know, because people are very closed off here. And it's very much just having a guy be like, hey, what's your dick size? And I was like, whoa. I'm glad you asked.

Well, that's the way to break the eyes. That's something you don't see in Japan, especially. I haven't had this in Japan. I haven't had this level of- Was he a Jojo fan? Yes, he was. Did he see an unsucked dick? It was after I sing, I sang,

uh, Sōdo, Sona Shino Sá-Sahame. Sona Shino Sá-Sahame. Is that for I sang that? So naturally they are. ask me. Yeah. I bet it's huge. Yeah, I can't imagine he has a girth to it.

It was like an Otaku gay bar. Oh nice. In Chi Jiu-Ku. Yeah, in the like gay district. So you could just go and sing, uh, sing anime songs. Yeah. With the boys. Hell yeah, that sounds amazing. It was such a fun bar, so welcoming.

It was just great. And, uh, yeah, I stood an amazing time. And it was great. And it was one of those videos where I didn't really think much about it before I filmed it, but I was like, damn, this is probably one of the most fun videos I've ever filmed. That's the best feeling. Just had drinks with the boys.

Yeah, literally. Yeah, it's really weird actually meeting anime fans here in Japan because you talk to some of them and it's almost like it's even less popular than it is outside of Japan, right? Because it's really weird, because sometimes you meet an anime fan and you say you watch anime as well,

they get so excited. Yeah. And they're just like, I thought I was the only one. Oh my God, what's your favorite anime? And what's you like watching? And it's so weird because it's almost being transported back like 10 years ago, except it's here in Japan. I think it's because, you know, in Japan, you know, they don't have a massive social climate,

you know, it isn't, you know, people aren't exactly the most social to one another. Yeah, yeah, especially autarkas. Yeah, and I think having a solid icebreaker, like, you like anime, like, you like anime, like you like, anyone comfortable who, who, if you, it doesn't matter who you are, if you both like anime, you can talk about something. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, like, I feel like in Japan, where, again, people aren't very socially outgoing, it's, it's such a good ice break and a very comfortable one. Yeah. And I find that, especially when you're a foreigner as well, yeah, people feel a lot more comfortable talking to you because they feel like, oh, you like the same things as me, even though you're in a different place. Yeah, and it definitely

makes them feel more comfortable. I feel it's especially as well because unlike in the West where like the whole like anime community and like otaku thing is more of like community based thing even in real life. Here in Japan, it's very much like a lone wolf type of thing. Like I feel like yeah, like the true like hardcore otaku's here, I mean, for one, don't really go out and socialize naturally. You won't go, they won't be outside like, you know, being like walking around being like, I like this thing, do you like it? Like, they're not going to be like that. They're going to stick to like, too, Chan, right? And talk about their, you know, passion there, right, obviously. But, you know, and I feel that's why like, especially in Japan, that's so

much more rare to come across. Yeah. Because for one, it's like, oh, I didn't know about this whole other side of the community because a lot of these autokas in Japan don't really interact with other people in that even within the same community, let alone, you know, across the fucking ocean. Yeah, because like you, you, you, you talk to a Japanese person. And even if they're not an anime fan, they're like aware of like, obviously a lot of anime because we're here in Japan. But like, you meet an actual person who watches anime. And it's like I'm transported back to like the early periods of when I got into anime. Because I've never seen someone's face, just, I've never seen a Japanese person's face light up so much when you say you watch Jojo or when

you say you watch some other, like, some other anime that's maybe not Ava or One Piece, you know, because those are like, those are like the two mainstream anime here that even like non-anami fans watch. And I guess like, that's just not what I expected when I moved to Japan. Because I thought, I thought at least like, I didn't know, because I'd only heard about, you know, the otaku culture from, basically from third-hand accounts, right? I'd never actually had experienced it myself. So I didn't know that anime fans just are still almost like under- ground here in some senses, right? And that just kind of like blew my mind.

Yeah, I mean, I feel maybe within like the past like, say, 10, 20 years, much like the West, right, I feel it's become a little bit more open and accepting and like, you know, like even in the West, right, kids 10, 20 years ago would get bullied for watching anime. Now you get bullied for not watching anime. I feel in Japan, it's kind of become the same thing now, except still at the end of the day, like, the true, like, hardcore otakas are still very much. because I think they're scared to come out.

Yeah. But I feel like, you know, you said that they're underground, but you know, like every time you watch a documentary, anything about Japan and Otaku, you always saw the hardcore. Yeah. They'd be like, this is, uh, this is a Tanaka. He's spent $10,000 this year on Love Life and it's like, all right, great. Yeah. But I think as well, as, as, well, because like just the term Otaku in Japan is just so much more than someone who likes anime. Like, you have like, train Otakas, you have military Otakus. The types of fans and like hardcore fans that you wouldn't really see outside of Japan.

I saw a hardcore America Otaku. Oh, did you actually? At my train station and this guy was wearing a full, what is it, bald eagle? What is it, what's it, what's it, what's it was called? What's the American Eagle? Bald Eagle. Bald Eagle shirt.

Yeah. A cowboy hat, like a 10 gallon one. Yeah. He had the pins of America on it. He was wearing the bluest denim jeans I've ever seen and he was wearing cowboy And he was just Japanese and was wearing glasses. And I was like, this is just so bizarre.

He was just at my train station. That's some drip, right? Yeah, at my train station. And he was doing the like the fucking hands in belt waiting for the train to come and I was like, what the fuck, man? That's so cool. I wanted to be like, Konigua. I was just like, this is so bizarre.

I was like, I want to know the background. I was like, I want that guy to come on trash taste. Like, yeah, right? I want to know this. I don't know, it's just like, because like, like, especially like, you know, every now and then when you go to like a train station in Japan, especially like the Shin Khan's

like the board trains, you sometimes see, you know, some train autakus. Oh yeah, yeah, they're always taking pictures with these like massive like bird watching lens. People do that in the UK though as well. It's big, big, uh, train spotting or whatever and the planes. Yeah, and you always see them at the airport.

Yeah, but like I always find like that side of the otaku fan base to be just so much more interesting. I feel, and maybe it's because I know about it. But also at the same time, it's like, it feels so much more like mysterious, because you almost never see those kinds of people interacting even within the same community members. Because you also see a lot more shows made about attackers, traditional attackers, I guess, for the anime. Yeah. Because it's just like, oh, look at this guy. He spends 20 grand a month on some P&G. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot easier to get it. Yeah, yeah. That's the thing,

right, is that they want to, these film crews just want to sound weird. It's really hard to just make fun of a guy who just likes trains. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like, you know, you say what you will, but a lot of the time, these documentaries that would just, would go into a dude's house

and be like, wow, look at, look at the state, he's got all these anime figures. You know, they're trying to make fun of it, really. Yeah, they're trying to pull it. Because I feel like there's such a, such a big divide between maybe, like, say, anime and then the otaku anime,

you know what I mean? Basically, like, if you see, if you see your series in, like, Akihabo or something, then it's probably going to be looked down upon by a lot of people in Japan, Because I remember we hang out with our friend's girlfriend and she was like a mad, like a mad Otaku.

I remember talking to her and she was like, yeah, I got bullied in school or liking anime. I'm just like, what? You're Japanese. What? How is this the thing? How? Yeah, I think it's so common that it's almost

cool to not like it and do something else. Yeah, yeah. But I don't know. Like the whole, okay, when someone, all right, this is this is a controversial take, when someone is like severely, into something, like a show, you know. I was about to describe myself there, actually.

I was like, because, you know, you see these things where, like, they make their whole life about something, right? This is me with Jojo, in it? Yeah, it really is. Yeah, it really is. I saw something, you know, when I remember that I'm watching the show one time

and this woman had like, everything in her life was Barbie. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the one living in LA, right, the Japanese woman. That's right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that. Everything she owned was Barbie. Yeah, and I was like, Is this like something that like can happen to anyone?

Or is something that like, he said, he ponders while his Jojo posts are in the background with the Jojo statues. I love, I, I, I, I'm the $10,000 Jojo merch. Everything he says is in his Jojo suits. Listen, I, I love Jojo, but I don't feel like, because when I see them talk about the show, I don't, I don't, I don't feel like they talk about it the way I feel about Jojo. You know what I mean? I think that's what every one of those, like, obsessive collectors think as well. But the way they talk about- To Connor in 10 years. Yeah, right. Here's my Jojo toilet.

This could be just taken out of context and just clip with me talking about Jojo. I realize that. But like when I see that, there's almost like this like, like this obsession that feels unhealthy. You could probably say that. You could probably accuse me

of being the same. But you know, when I, I just like the style and I like decorating my office in a certain way. Outside of that, none of my rooms are Jojo. You know, there's nothing else.

Are you talking about like when someone's entire house It's like their entire existence becomes a collection of this thing. Right. And I just wonder, I'm like, is that something that just happens to anyone? Or is that, or is it something that, maybe something's happened to you where you,

you know, you've had an experience or maybe you've been raised in a certain way and that makes you more receptive to being obsessed with something? I mean, I'm, what do you think? I'm sure both sides can happen, but I think at the end- Psychiatrist, psychologist in the chat, can you let me know? I think at the end of the day,

it's just about like, how much do you like this? this certain thing, right? How much are you willing to sacrifice? I don't know. A part of me thinks there has to be something where you have to be more susceptible to addictive tendencies in certain ways. I also think there's just some people where

for whatever reason in their life, this one thing means so much to them personally. Maybe it came along at the right time. Maybe it helped them through something, but like they are so personally attached to this thing. I'm not trying to bash you, by the way. I just want to like actually have a discussion about it. I think that's the real reason because,

I mean, I feel like, a lot of idol fans fall into that category where, right, where, you know, they, they want to support these idols because they gave them something, you know?

Yeah. And I, I feel like that's more likely. I mean, I'm sure there are a lot of people who maybe have addictive tendencies as well, right? Yeah, I guess because the, the whole thing that sucks about talking with idol stuff specifically is that,

you know, here in Japan, I mean, there was just some stuff that's fucked. Like, you know, there was this one, I mean,

the idol industry in general was, Yeah, it's, okay, well, yeah, there's so much predatory shit that goes on in that. Yeah, and also I can't remember, I don't know if I've talked about this on trash taste, but there's this one video on YouTube done by some, I can't know which news agency was, there was some, not super mainstream one.

They did like a documentary with this British guy and just goes to idol stuff. Yeah, but not normal idol stuff, 13 year old idols in Japan. And man, this is an uncomfortable watch, because it is like these dudes go to these concerts with this 13, teen-year-old girl. Yeah. And she's dancing and stuff. And the guy goes around just ask these guys,

like, hey, why do you like it? And the answers they give are just really, like, uncomfortable. They don't say it. They don't say what you, you know what I'm thinking. But they don't really give a good argument as to not that. There's actually, there's a really good documentary I saw. I think it's on Netflix called Tokyo Idles. Yeah, I've seen that one. I watched that one. Yeah. But that one wasn't that bad because that, I really liked that one because I felt like it wasn't an insulting look into it. No, that was like an actual like in-depth look. But at the same time-

It was trying to give a, I would say, an unbiased look. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that was just interesting. Yeah, I watched it and like, you watch it and you don't really wanna, you don't judge any of the people there. It's just like, to me it's just fascinating.

Yeah, yeah. Right, how someone ends up in this situation where he, you know, they spend thousands and thousands of. Yeah, if you wanna give, if you're a 40-year-old man and you wanna give thousands of dollars to a 20-year-old woman, that's fine by me. Yeah, I got no qualms about that, you know.

You can do that. That's your money, you do what you want with it. But like the one where it was like 13, I was like, come on, come on. I mean, I haven't seen that video. Should watch it. I'll send you a thing later. It's just like, oh my God, dude.

And it's just like, it's so obvious what's going on. Yeah, it's not a good look. Yeah. It's just one of those things where it's like, some idol guy was like, man, these guys are making so much money after these idols, child idols. And it's like, no, no, no, no.

Oh my God. Yeah, I mean like, even if you don't mean, it in that way that everyone's thinking, like, it's, it doesn't help. Yeah. It really's not a good look, I feel. Yeah. But like, like, especially living in Japan, I feel like Japan as a country more than like any other country that I've seen or been to, like, I understand the word otaku here because there are so many like really obscure things that people just get obsessed with. And like it's, it's, it's, there's no like definite pattern in it. But like, we talk about anime autakus, but that's like the most, I'd say,

the most broad otaku there is in Japan. Because you mean, you meet people who are obsessed with, like, really strange things. That's almost the most normal otaku. Yeah, yeah, it is, right. It is right. I think so, because like, when you look at my strange addiction, you look at these, like, sand-eating otaku's.

Coffee animal otakus. That's why it comes to our mind, because I feel like somebody who eats the stuffing in their mattress, which is a real thing, by the way. I assume TLC is 100% rock solid with their journalism, and this is, it's an accurate stage. Yeah, of course. I'm sure some of the stuff of TLC is staged.

Some. Probably most of it. But, you know, people who do the weird thing where they're like, eat only fries. Yeah. You know, I feel like that's gotta be some sort of similarity to somebody who is obsessed with a certain thing that dominates their whole life.

I feel there's a big difference between an obsession and an addiction. You know what I feel like, you know, when you are something is your identity, you know, it is an addiction. in some sense. Is I think like obsession addiction, the lines blood? Do you have an addiction to Jojo?

This is something like an intervention. Is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, I'm obsessed with the style of Jojo. I'm not addicted to Joe Joe. That sounds like denial. Day by day, I don't think about Jojo. I don't do anything to do with Jojo. Really? Your attitude says on my life.

I can not watch Jojo. I can quit anything. Listen, I don't suck cock every day. You're not looking for the next time sucks cock. Where is it? I can, I don't think about Jojo most days. Right?

I know this sounds like a meme. Right? This sounds like a meme. I don't think about it most days. I just, I love this style. I love it in my room. And the suits are banging. Straight up fire.

You can't deny. Okay. Like even if you don't like Jojo, those suits are fire. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. If the suit looked like shit, I wouldn't buy it.

Well, it looks fire. No, it does. I'm not denying that. I'm not denying that. Now, that being said, if I suddenly became just, everything about my life was Jojo, I only ever wore Jojo things. I wouldn't stop talking about Jojo. God, I know what you're going to say.

There was a phase in my life where I did only talk about Jojo. That was a short period when I got into it, and I'm not proud of it. I've changed for the better. I had an intervention. God told me to stop. I did. I'm a change man. If only every Jojo fan could be like that.

But also, you know, at the same time, I think I'm like, okay, I see these people who have these very severe addictions or something and I think, okay, maybe something has gone wrong, maybe it hasn't. But at the end of the day, I don't really care. You seem happy, you're not hurting anyone, do what you want.

And ultimately that's what it comes down to. But I am just fascinated of how one becomes addicted to something like that severely. You know what I mean? I'm not trying to bash on it. I want to make that clear. I'm not trying to say, oh, it's fucked up or anything.

I just wanna know the process. It's just fascinating. Because it's not a super normal thing to do, because it's not something that happens every day to everyone. Yeah. What happens to make someone super addicted to something? I just wanna know.

My strange addiction. Explain. Yeah, it's always about the strange addiction. Not how it became my strange addiction. That's what I wanna know. I just think like, especially in Japan, And it's part of the reason why Japan is such a gold mine for content, right?

It's just because kind of like so many people or into so many niche things. Because when you make people have to become so goddamn normal and so assimilated in society, anyone is dying to do anything different. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I think that's why we get so many these niche and crazy things. There's so many niche bars and places,

which, you know, some you've been to, some are still out there. Probably like, we're like, never to be fans, to be found. Because their entire childhood, their creativity snuffed down. They don't get to be creative.

Sure. So when they become an adult and they can make money and they can live their life, you know, finally people can- It's that epiphany moment. Yeah, they can take control. I can be different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that's part of like the,

like, part of the interest thing about living in Japan is you walk down the street somewhere and you just, you find this random place. You're like, what the, who made this? Yeah. What, like, only in Japan. A lot of things are only in Japan. Living here, you just become to have such a good

for people who really do, just don't give a shit and love what they want here. Because my God, life is hard here if you don't conform. Yeah, you don't do what everyone else is doing. Yeah, the other one sticking out. Yeah, so. And so when I saw that guy rocking all his American attire, I thought, fuck man, the balls on this man.

It's like, hell, yeah. Thank God he had a good pair of den and jeans to contain those giant balls. You know? He rocked up to a Japanese train station wearing that. Like that man did not give a single fuck what people thought. Hell yeah, dude.

And it makes you kind of happy, because you're like, this man doesn't give a fuck what anyone else thinks. In Japan. It's funny, because ever since moving to Japan and living in Japan, my standard for what's become cool and badass has just become so much, so warped compared to like when I was living,

when I was living elsewhere. Because I remember this one time. It was like, it was like a busy street in like Shinjuku, right? And we were all just like standing there, waiting for the lights to change. Then one guy, I, I, I, I'm walking behind this one guy, and he's walking towards his massive crowds,

and like the lights are still red, doesn't even flinch, doesn't even stop, just fucking walks, and Jay walks. And I'm just like, what a badass. Yeah.

You know what it? The emotion that I, and this is going to be 100% accurate, you know, at the end of Shorthand redemption when Dufrain finally breaks free? Yeah. That's how it feels. Never a Japanese man doesn't conform.

Yeah. The son of a bitch, I'm just like, the son of a bitch crawled through the mile long pile of shit to do it. God damn. I'm like, he saw the red light that says not walks and he, it didn't, he didn't even phase him. He said, fuck the system.

He said, fuck the system. I'm just like, fuck me, man. That's a badass. And I'm just like, fuck that. My status is badass. It's so warped living here. Because like, you see that in England and I'm just like, oh, it's not a fucking guy.

Yeah, yeah. That's the key to living in Japan, right? Is to live in Japan and get all the good things and not piss anyone off. Yeah, we're not saying to break the rules in Japan to be a badass, don't do that. Do it of the fuck you want. Like, as long as you're not hurting anyone

and you're not breaking any rules, do what you want. Yeah. Japan is such a depressing place if you follow every single goddamn minute rule that doesn't need to be followed. Yeah. But that's the thing, right? And I feel that's why Japan is one of those few countries that does birth some of the craziest looking

and the craziest acting and just like, the most, like, unique type of people because you need to be like that in order to fucking feel like you're living sometimes. It's weird because it seems like it's either one way or the other. It's such an extreme, right? Which is why like whenever I, like, Japan's famous for having like very low crime rates, right?

But for some reason, whenever you hear about a crime being committed here, it's the most fucking crime. It's the most fucked up demented shit I've just like ever heard. Like what the fuck? Yeah, it's like the other day it happened right on the older queue line. There was like guy who like went on

and just like stabbed 10 people. Because he was like, I just wanted to. And I'm like, she's like the women are happy, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's like, I wanted to stab happy women. I'm like, what? What, what, like, just fucking rubber,

like, hauled up a corner shop or something, man. Like, you never hear about someone, like, holding up like a corner shop. Steal a grandmas purse or something, you know, like, something simple. I just, I just said, there's some of people who are like idolize Japan in that way. And I think, you know, you have to be realistic about it.

Like, I remember I saw, I was with Chris. And there was this, uh, he was on Facebook, reading an article or something. Yeah, there was a post someone made on Facebook. Was like, did you know, Japan has the least amount of exams in the world? And it was like, yeah, but only for a specific age group.

And then they fuck them to death with exams. They literally ruin their life. They don't get to do anything other than exam and study. Like it's like, oh, great, great. They get to have one year where they get to run around the fields and have fun. And then we fuck them today with the examples, you know. It's, you know, the amount of pressure on people to succeed in exams here, I don't know anyone who went to a fucking cram school in the UK.

Are you kidding me? I don't even have cram. I'm sure there is one. I don't know anyone else who went to one. And most people had a private tutor once a week or something like that. And even then it was like, wow, you have a private tutor. Yeah, it was like, oh, yeah,

like education are not good enough for you? All right, you know, like. Five days of school, not enough for you, huh? Yeah, it's just like... I say that as I went to Saturday's here. You know, there is a lot of harsh realities about Japan that is overlooked because we wanted to be this rosy,

and beautiful place that is lived up to all our expectations. Which it is. In a lot aspects, it is. And I feel like we're looking, we're lucky, enough to not have to be part of the Japanese systems. No, we avoid the, probably some of the worst aspects which are working in Japan.

Yeah. You know, I think we work in Japan in the most comfortable way ever. Yeah, and it's working right now, technically. It's great, I could just sit on my I-3 tower looking down on all these peasants and telling them, oh, you should stop doing that, that's not good. You should try working from home. Have you heard of that?

Well, yeah, I saw, wasn't it? It's a new, hip thing with the young people nowadays. It was the other thing where they wanted to get people to come back into work and like a lot of workers were like, please God no, we wanna keep teleworking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've discovered the beauty of that is teleworking. I mean, I feel like it's, if anyone was gonna love

teleworking, it was gonna be Japan. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh my God, it's like, it's like, it's kind of like mind-blowing that it's taken this long for them to adopt it, honestly. Have you been on a Japanese Zoom call? Yeah, unfortunately. Oh my God, have you been on one?

Yeah, I have. Oh my God, I was like, whoa, where's the fun guys? Come on talk a little bit. Like, no one said anything. I got on the call, we were there for like five minutes, and no one said anything, because they were waiting for one more person. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We were all just standing there with our cameras on. I was like, oh. So the summer, right? Am I in the right, please, please. I'm just like, please, someone talk about the weather. Just just talk about the weather, please. I know it's been basic as fuck, but- I felt like I was waiting for my turn

to go on a game show or something where everyone was just nervous. Like no one said anything. And then even then it was like, everyone would like, someone would say something. I don't know how, I've been on Zoom calls with like Americans and so much more, Yeah, obviously, because I'm, you know, whatever.

But I remember there was one call I had, and there was five of us, and one person would say something, and they would just wait, like 30 seconds, like, process it, and they would be like, and I'd be like, I'm like, guys, this is in a courtroom, this is a fucking Zoom call. Well, I saw, you know, they would, in America, they would publish some of the, a lot of the Zoom court proceedings.

Yeah. And I said, that was more, more jovial fun going on on those than on these Zoom calls that I was having. I would just stand there. It was so... What are you? More jovial? More fun, more fun.

More fun having... The judge is like, guilty. JK. Ah, ha ha, got you... I don't know, just a few jokes cracked here and there, a few, you know, even the judge would be like, how's the day going, how good, good, good. Anyway, this is far preceding number.

Anyway, wife. I just thought, I used the weirdest thing that there was just like this weird understanding that no one was allowed to talk until everybody got on the Zoom call. Yeah. But no, if they were early... Because it's all about procedure here.

It was so strange. to procedure, then it's just chaos and panic. Yeah, I was just like, this is the most, like, unfun, Zoom call of my life. Not that Zoom calls were fun. Not that I expected to be fun. Not that Zoom calls are fun anyway. But I didn't expect it to be like,

all right, I'm waiting for my hostage person to tell my family about how much they're gonna ask for ransom. I'm waiting for the godfather to enter the room before I can say anything. Yeah, it felt like something, like there was some kind of like, like spiritual ritual about to take place and no one was allowed to talk like.

It was so strange. Like a seance. It was so strange. I was like, what is this? Anyway, I think that's a good place to wrap it up. Or a good episode. What a good episode. What a good episode.

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