Trash Taste Podcast - We’re Now Too Old For Anime | Trash Taste #166

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

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Welcome back to another episode of Trash Taste. I'm Connor and I'm with the boys, gone Joey, they didn't know I was gonna do that, so welcome back. What the hell? Give us a warning. Yeah, I was just singing Pendulum there for a second. So, I, last night, I ordered Thai food, and I ordered Thai food from this place.

It sounds like an AI conversation. Yes, yes, okay. I am judging you have my attention, Connor. I know you like Thai foods. He's a Thai man. And I had two Thai places that I like to order from. One of them does like just the best, green curry. It's just great. It's perfect spice level. The other one, they have Thai sausage,

which if you've never had it, it's amazing. Try it. It's so good. It doesn't taste as much like sausage in my mind as other stuff, but it's just filled with ungodly amount of spice. Yeah. And they do that, but the green curry isn't as good. Yeah. So I'm like, oh shit. So this time I order from that place with the Thai sausage, because I'm kind of craving the sausage. I'm just joking. And I leave a note saying, Last time you gave me this green curry, there was no spice to it. You add the spice, please. Yeah.

And they did. And they added a lot. And now you're bleeding out of your ass. Today's been a rough day for me. Yes. I think they definitely, I literally, I put it translated into Japanese. I said, can you please make it spicy?

Last time it wasn't. And I think the chef. I think it's a thousand insult. The chef, I didn't want to be that guy. I try to frame it not like an insult, but that it would definitely catch their attention to be like, oh, this fucking guy, fine. Because I wanted the spice level to be insane.

Yeah. I was not expecting the jump that they added. It was like, it went from like no spice whatsoever for Japanese people to just automatically extreme Thai difficulty. It was like, it was spicy for even Thai. It was crazy. I think it was the, you know, if I were to see that note, it's the, it wasn't spicy enough last time.

Yeah, last time it wasn't. That was like no spice to it. Yeah, the only reason I thought to do this because you did this one time as well, but you wrote it in Thai, right? You were like, hey, please make it spicy, I'm Thai. Don't worry, I'm Thai. Don't worry, I'm Thai.

Well, that's the thing, because I swear I wrote it last time as well and they just completely ignored me. Right. You can ride it in Thai then? I wrote it in Japanese. That's why. And this time I wrote it in Japanese too.

Yeah. They listened. And my God. But they took it as a challenge. I think they took it, yeah. They literally were like, let's kill this man. And I ate it all. It was great.

It was very spicy there. I was like the kind of spicy where you're like, you know, when you get the burps keep coming up, you're like, who's good there? Did you get the hiccups? Did you get the hiccups a little bit? But it was great. That's how you know it's good though.

The flavor was amazing. They finally upped it. Next time I gotta be like, hey, where was the chicken though? There was like one bite. So next time you write that being like, hey, so where's the chicken? It'll just be a whole chicken in your curry. Oh, you want chicken, eh?

It's a rotissory chicken that turns up. Just keep challenging them, and they'll just like keep upping it. Well, now I know they're list, they're actually reading the special instructions, which I thought they would anyway, but I guess sometimes they just don't. Sometimes they're like, fuck you.

I'm not listening to your specials. I'm not getting paid enough to do this shit. I'm not listening to your damn special instructions. Someone named Connor. How are you with a Vietnamese food when you're in Vietnam? Because I know Vietnamese food for like Southeast Asian levels, isn't that spicy? No, I would definitely,

there's a tier list of spiciness when it comes to Southeast Asian food. And it's from least spicy to most, It's Filipino, Vietnamese, and then like Indonesia, Malaysia, and Thailand are like up here. Yeah. So it's like, you can choose spiciness if you want. It's like a choice like with Filipino food, but it's not like, oh, with or without the spice makes a difference.

Like a Thailand just removed the choice. No, no, you will die. Yeah. You will get used to. Thailand's like, this is how it works. You're gonna take it or leave. But I mean, I understand why they would do it. But also, I mean, I know there's history behind it and whatnot. Yeah.

And stuff and spice stores better, yaddi, but from just a modern day perspective, surely it ruins your tasteboards going anywhere else in the world. You're like, man, nothing is spicy anymore. No, okay. I don't agree with that just because I- Fuck you, you're wrong, you're a piece of shit. Fuck you, fuck you, actually spice is superior.

Everything could be improved with spice, no. I don't think that's true. I think Thai cuisine especially is just like, the way it's cooked and the way it's flavored, it just really much lends to having some spice, Yeah. And because I don't like all spicy food. I've talked about this before,

like having the Japanese curry and having like the different tiers of spice. And sometimes there's a point where you just feel like you're adding spice in artificially. And that just like, that ruins this. It's not like spice that's integrated into the dish. It's like kind of spice on top. Did you see the cook or did she added a new level?

Have they added a new level? Yeah, it's level 15 now. Do you just like take a scoop of like the chili powder and just like, yeah. It comes with a side of like bowl of chili How bad can it be? Yeah. Well, I mean, I can't do a 10, so.

Kind of tempted to order it now. Yeah. I've seen, I only found out because of course, every Japanese YouTube was like, oh, free-content- If we order it right now, would you try, take a teaspoon? I'll try it. Let's order it.

Let's order the 15. Are you serious? Let's do it. We'll get a small, we'll get a small. We'll just, I want to see how bad it is. How bad can it be? Okay. I wasn't expecting to die today.

No, no, no, no. It's a little bit. It's a little bit. It's just, so, in Cocoichi, they do one to tan. And the 10 is pretty bad actually. I don't know what the fuck they are. I can't, okay, mind you, right, just for reference. This is how we keep people hooked as well.

Yeah, I gotta come back later. Yeah, wait till the end. It's too bad. For reference, my, the comfortable level for me is level three. Right, right? And I've tried level four because, and you know, that's a glow up considering me who-

Yeah, you've done well. I used to think level one was like, oh god, God, yeah. Because that was my other concern. Yeah, like, I used to think to, I'd say like before these guys move. It jumps from 10, 10. Hopefully I'm not showing anything.

It jumps from 10, just to 15. There's no like 11 to 14. No. They got burns by 15 days. Yeah, I'm ordering. Yeah, but like for reference, like before these guys moved to Japan, I was not as used to eating spicy food. Or, you know, I couldn't handle it as well.

It's only thanks to like me eating spice food with these guys and just doing like, you know, like the spicy ramen and like the ghost pepper and shit that I've had to do for video has definitely helped me. Having just one ghost pepper in your life reframes like spice for your body. Yeah. It like makes you reevaluate what a jalapeno means. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I used to be like, oh, oh, this is a nice garnish. Yeah, I could, I legit couldn't even like eat a habanera. I love having a, yeah. I remember a video of you eating a habanera and you would just die. Oh yeah.

Because like back then I was like, jalapinos were like my max that I could go to. I told you that one time I made like chili with ghost pepper, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, when I did that, I don't know if I told this on the podcast, but I basically put two ghost peppers in, because I thought for like a batch of chili

of like eight people, yeah, it would be fine. It would level out. Yeah, it would level out. It didn't happen like that before. And I gave some to my housemate, and she was just dying. She was like bright red, be like, yeah, you had a little of this place too?

I was like, yeah, a little bit. I had two peppers, ghost peppers. Yeah, but it was fun. See, the thing I, you know, as a Thai person, And when I like spice, I want chilies. I want fresh chilies. I don't like so much like chili sauce. I don't like, you know, dunking in a fuck ton

of chili sauce. I want like the fresh chilies. I wanna see the chili seeds in the dish that I'm cooking. Cause to me that gives a much more like, fresher kind of like spice like feeling. That's not kind of like artificial. Like if I have like too much chili sauce, it just upsets my stomach, I feel.

But that's the thing, right? It's like, you know, when I had the ghost paper, right? I completely understand, you know, the whole concept of adding like chili peppers or like ghost peppers into a dish, right? Because the spice complements the baseline flavor of whatever the dishes. It did not, it was terrible.

I mean, maybe with your, not yours, but with a lot of like Thai food, for example, and Vietnamese food, like, yeah, I can totally see why this is necessary. But when I had the, when I had the ghost pepper on stream, it was like, the ghost pepper itself doesn't really have flavor, in my opinion. It's like I ate into bell pepper,

but it had gun powder inside of it. Like, it's like, there's no, like, Yeah, this is delicious kind of thing. Yeah, it's just pain. Yeah, it's just pain. Well, that was like when I did that, did the one chip challenge, and I thought it was just like,

it can't be that bad, because people do it. Yeah. And I thought, you know, if it's really bad, people wouldn't be doing it. That one was pretty fucking bad. That was like, I think it was Carolina Reaper. And that one was like, it tastes like two of them. Yeah, if it's just one chip,

I assume it's gonna be the spiciest pepper that you can get, just just concentrated. Yeah, I'm good dog. Yeah. That ain't it. That's just, oh, let's just fucking take pure capsation or whatever, it's called. You know, let's call up Nigel and just be like,

fuck. That'll be the next Kokoichi level. My stomach hurts thinking about this Kukubishi is coming. I still haven't recovered from this Thai food. Yeah, you know, I wanted to have a good day today. What's a spoonful for? It's fine, it'll be fine, it'll be fine. But while we're waiting, you know,

I had my weekly existential crisis because, okay, I was just lying in bed and, you know, just next to Sydney, it was the first thing in the morning, And she's just like, hmm, is that a gray hair I see over there? And I'm like, and I'm like, Sydney, don't say that. Don't, don't, don't. I think you could rock gray hair though.

Huh? I think you'll look great with gray hair. I mean, I think, okay, here's the thing, right? So next arc. I don't mind having gray hair. Yeah. I don't, okay, this, I know this sounds like fucking copium. Yeah, you wear, you wear turtlenecks scar. Yeah, you are built. Turtle necks are built people with gray hair.

Yeah. You're gonna look great and it'll complete the full arc of Gigoo's from full anime pro tag to mellowed out Southeast Asian bad. Yeah, you're gonna go from anime enthusiasts to like, fucking Southeast Asian mathematician. Yeah, so I don't mind having like the odd gray hair if I am graying, oh my god, I can't believe I'm talking about this on a podcast, but whatever, but like it just put like a thoughts in my head, right?

Just to be like... Life is futile. Life is futile. I am getting old because whenever this video is coming out, so like my next stuff, my next video that I've been working on this week, which it will probably be out, it's kind of like a fucking,

it's a full on fucking Digen anime, like full on Digen manga kind of level. And I'm just like, I remember like, it was that day where Sidney told me how to gray hair, took the shower, started writing my script, and I'm just like, how much longer can I get away with doing this shit? Talking about degenerate anime stuff.

Yeah, yeah, because like, I remember when I was younger, right? My parents would be like, you're gonna grow out. of anime someday. You'll grow out of this phase someday. You're gonna grow up and then I just never did. Okay, and to be fair, I do not think I'm ever going

to grow out of like anime or gaming or this shit that like our parents told us we grow out of when we were younger. But there are certain things where I'm like, can I get away with this? I see you came to the realization I came to about two years ago. Oh yeah, yeah? Yeah.

Well, it's like, I think obviously, anime being, well it's not new, but in terms of like having more of a fandom around it in the West, it's certainly more on the newer end compared to something like, let's say, Star Wars, which has been around since, what, 80s? Or like comic books. You know, and you look at like the demographic people

go to Comic-Con, you're like, a lot of you dudes are like, you're 50s or late 40s and it's like, well, clearly this is not, like nowadays we are past the, because obviously the consuming media and this type of stuff is all kind of new and this generation or the current generation that's alive. So it's like, I think, I don't think it's like you grow out of it anymore.

I think it's, if you're still under something when you're 30, you'll still be into that thing or something adjacent to it at 50, 60. I think, maybe talking about anime titties, you might do that less. Okay, okay, Joey, Joey. When do you think you're gonna stop liking anime ludes on Twitter at what age?

Do you think it will become? The moment you have a kid, the moment you have a kid, you have to stop. Definitely. I did think about it. The moment you have a kid, you cannot be like a little. Definitely the moment I have a kid, for sure. I think the moment I have a kid, I'm probably just going to like just cut back on social media entirely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which is the right thing to do. Yeah, which I think is the way to go. Or, yeah. Double it. Make the kid the new star. Melch him for money. I'll be like, the anime man Twitter account is now being handled by my son. So anything he likes and you like.

The anime man Jr. is gonna like it. So, you know, his taste, it's all his taste now. It's got nothing to do with me. Yeah, because I've had this thought because I came to the same conclusion where it's just gonna be like, okay, when me and Sydney eventually have kids, that's probably going to be a huge catalyst

to change some of our behavior. But just because I know that, you know, it's gonna become less socially acceptable to, let's say, talk about this in public, It's just something in my brain gonna change to be like, okay, actually anime tiddies, uh, I'm cool now. You should not like this stuff because I- I think so, yeah.

You think so? I think it's like a gradual change of like taste. Like maybe one thing that was super lewd, you might not be as comfortable interacting with that kind of stuff. Yeah, but you still like lewd stuff, but it's like, okay, you're slowly maybe going away from that. Yeah. I mean, even just like-

your opinions on life, stuff like that happens all the time. I mean, even just like my taste in like, you know, like the more degenerative shows or whatever, Like I remember there were so many shows when I was like 13 to 15 years of age where I'm just like, oh, it's lewd, masterpiece. This is the greatest piece of piece of shit. High School of the Dead. Yeah. And now, and now, you know, and some of them are still great just because of the other components that made that show great. But, you know, I would say a good 80% of those like lewd shows that I used to think were like great shows. I look at it now and I'm just like, eh. And it's not like, and you know, maybe it's because I've just like grown out of that phase or maybe. You have a girlfriend, Joe. Well, yeah, or maybe because I touch grass. I don't know. Either way, my tastes have definitely changed,

but I don't regret that, because I feel that's just the natural process for anyone, regardless of whether you fucking do it for a living or not, right? It's like, yeah, obviously the shows that, you thought were fucking amazing back in the day. Yeah. And you look back in retrospect, you probably think to yourself,

it either didn't age as well, or you're just like, it's not really my wheelhouse anymore. Yeah. You know, I think it's interesting as well, because on the podcast, where you always talk about, we like, dislikes their opinions and stuff, because that's all we ever do.

Yeah. And I've noticed that it started happening more and more where people will be like, oh, one of us says something that contradicted something we said three years ago. Yeah. And it's like, okay, trash text is gonna get to that point where, as we're growing older and we're changing our opinions

and our views on things. Yeah. We're obviously gonna contradict what we said three years ago. Yeah. Because we're gonna change your mind on stuff. And it's so weird having to do that. Isn't it insane to think that opinions change?

Well, it's- Isn't that crazy? And also, isn't it's not crazy? insane to think that we just say dumb shit sometimes. Yeah, sometimes we don't think. But I can understand why our viewer can get that because it's like you have this kind of want, it's like a, a complete video

that is a complete recreation of you three years ago. It's completely there and you saying that thing and it's still you today who is that person in the video. So it's very easy, I think, for a person to think that why would their opinion change? Because it feels so recent and so, accessible this opinion when obviously you said it three years ago. Yeah. And they don't see the entire journey or follow that entire journey of how you

changed your mind. Yeah. On things. Yeah. And sometimes it doesn't even, it's not even like a matter of like time, you know, it could just be something like you thought about this one thing maybe because you were, you know, uneducated in it or you didn't have enough information, you didn't have enough of like a scope on it. And then once you got the more full picture and you really thought it through, then you're like, oh, you know what? Maybe my prior opinion on that was just wrong or, you know, wasn't reflective of what I think now in my current headspace.

And you know, that could happen as early as like fucking within the year with some people. You know, it's like sometimes one person could say, like last week. Yeah, yeah. One person could say one thing that just completely shifts your mind on it and your opinions change on that forever. But on the world of the internet where any video

of any timeline is accessible at any time, someone will look at and be like, oh look, see he's contradicting himself. I'm like, who doesn't? Everyone contradicts themselves. That's what an opinion. opinions are supposed to change. Yeah, did you guys, okay, like going back to what it means, like grow up and like change your opinion,

like being adult, did you guys have this like image of let's say you're like, you know, in your late teens, going into like, you know, 17, 18 year olds, going to university or whatever and you had like this image about how adults are like supposed to act. Like, oh, once you finish high school, adults are meant to act this way, or once I finish university,

going to the working world, adults are meant to act that way and then you actually do grow up and you go into the working world, you go into university, and you just have this like image in your mind about how people your age are supposed to act and then you've realized, holy shit, people do not act the way that I thought they would at all. There's that, but there's also the opposite

where it's like you look at an adult, say like your parents, or your dad or whatever, and you think like, not every dad likes this kind of, like I'm not gonna be like that when I get older. And then you know, and then you grow up and you're like, holy shit, I used to think trips to IKEA were boring as fuck. And now I'm super excited to see this new couch. Like, and it's not even like a matter of like,

you know, you growing up. It's just like, oh, this is just like a natural progression that every adult goes through, whether you like it or not. And it's like, and it's not, and you get old enough to the point where you realize, oh, it's not even cool trying to go against that grain because now everyone's doing it. Yeah. You know, it's like, there isn't a single adult out there who's like,

You're like furniture, fucking normie. Like no one's like that. It's like it's just a natural thing that like, as an adult, there's nothing wrong with and it's completely a natural progression to just adopt those like interests and styles regardless of how you live or how you grew up, right? I have a question.

Okay, when did you, because obviously we turned 18, we're adults. Yeah. What did you feel like you became an adult? Still waiting. Yeah, really? Okay, okay, it's half and half. When do you feel like that you felt

that you were comfortable in like who you were as a person and as an adult and like a functioning? I would say 26. I'm still uncomfortable. I'm still uncomfortable with some things. Because one thing I, there was this feeling that I always struggled to shake. And I don't know where this comes from.

But you know when you like, let's say, maybe this is because I went straight into YouTube being after finishing university. But you know when you turn up to a place and because we're like, we're like, we're like YouTubers and stuff and I don't know what of this, but like you feel that like everyone is like doing their job

and you feel like you are like fake at being there. Yes. Being like present. Like you feel that everyone knows their role and you feel like you're faking that you're involved in this. Every time I get invited to like a company outing or like a fancy dinner party and shit, I'm just like I am a child. I should not, I make you,

YouTube videos, I should not be here. Even though all the adults around you are just like, yeah, he's got a job, he's making money, he's got his own business, he's an entrepreneur. But like in your mind, you're just like, no, I'm not, I'm just a fucking kid making dumb videos on the internet and somehow making a living off of it. Like I don't feel like all of you actual professional adults,

whatever that means. I think one of the biggest realizations I had when I was like fully an adult was, uh, yeah, growing up I thought the one thing that would happen when I went into the working world was I'd realize that people would suddenly become competent. And then I soon realized that no matter which industry, no matter where you are, there will always be incompetent people

and they would especially somehow be incompetent people in high positions of high power. Like no matter what. And I just had this image that I was like in fucking university. I'm just like dealing with this. the university kids, I'd just be like, everyone here's a fucking idiot. When I get into the working world,

people will suddenly start to make sense. The world's gonna make sense. People will do their jobs. And then I went into the working world and people still didn't do their fucking jobs. And you were like, damn, adults are dumb. Adults are fucking dumb asses. And I'm just like, is this what being an adult is like?

Just realizing that the world is actually incompetent and everyone's coping with the fact. Like, damn, bitch, you live like this? Holy fuck. I'm like, how are you adulting? How the fuck do these companies function? And then somehow these companies do function, but you go into the companies at like an entry level

or you see how the company function is internally. And you're like, how is this, how does the world turn? I don't understand when there are this many incompetent people in the world. Maybe this is just a me thing. It's people like that that make me realize, like, oh, you can be a dumb ass adult and still survive. Yeah, yeah, well, I think, yeah,

because you remember that one guy who fucked everything up more than the 10 guys who did their job. Yeah, exactly. Is it here already? Yeah. Wow. Like I thought that one guy who does nothing in a group project was like a school thing. You know, I thought that one guy who just sits around

and does nothing and takes with credit for the group project was a school thing. And then I realized that this is just a world thing. That's called a CEO. It's people like that who end up in high positions of power. It's like, yes, I am present. You just tow, right, you hope that those people don't get rewarded for that

and that the people who work hard do. And that's kind of the trust you have in the system. Yeah. Who work hard, you just hope they'll be recognized. And it's interesting, right? Because it's like that one kid in every school project that as you were saying like fucking is just shows up but takes all the credit.

Yeah, you know, some of those people just never grow out of it. They're just like, oh, I mean it worked in school. Yeah. It probably works as an adult. Let's see how it goes. Yeah. And then there are some people I feel who are in that position during school

and they're just like, wait, this, This works in a school environment. If I did that shit in the real world, I'm getting sacked, dog. Like, I'll be out of a job. Oh, if you're not in Japan. If you're not in Japan, they're just like, we've gained the system. Just show up and don't do anything and you can't get fired.

Yeah. Sounds alright. I mean like, okay, I don't know if this is a loaded question, but do you guys feel like adults? I already asked that. I literally asked you that. You ask, you ask when? You ask when if you do, do.

See, okay. What is your, okay, in that case, what is your, shut the fuck off. I just loved it. I just said that. You got, you're so different, but it's just sounded the same. Apologies. Okay, we're fucking idiots. Okay, so to reiterate on that question though,

what would you say is the defining feature of what you consider an adult? I think. Like, what is the difference between an adult and still a fucking, like, young guy? I think that being an adult, means feeling like you have a place in the world and you have a purpose.

And you're serving a goal, whether to yourself or working in a company, and you feel that you're in something that is right for you and you're benefiting yourself or whatever it is. Like I feel like it's a purpose. That ain't an adult dog. That is not an adult.

No, I think it's like when to yourself, it feels that way. Right. I think society is the term adult, yeah, 18, but I think the moment you internalize like, when you feel that like you yourself have like figured it, not figured it out, but like you feel that, okay, I'm starting to get a grasp on this life thing. Yeah.

Because when you're like, the pieces start to fall in place. Right. Yeah, because like, I think what you just- Is it the Koko-H-G? All right, we'll do that later. Like, I feel like what you just described is pretty much like the, almost like the opposite for me. Okay. Because when I feel like an adult,

when I first started to feel like an adult, is when I first started to feel like lost and I kind of realized, holy shit, everyone my age feels lost. You, because when you think that you found like, as an adult, you're striving to find that place where you kind of feel like you know your place in the world, you're bringing something useful.

I know so many fucking people, let's say like, I think most people don't feel that. Yeah, most people, most people, Most people don't feel like, most people like that I've met in like their mid to early 20s to like sometimes late 30s, early 40s, they feel fucking lost and they're like, I do not know what I am contributing.

Yeah. And I do not know where my place in life is in the world is. And you think that feeling of being lost equates to being an adult? Like that's the shared experience of that loss, being lost is. Yeah, I feel like because when, when you are a teenager, you think that you're just gonna suddenly figure it out.

And I remember getting like, I remember getting my first, like getting my first acceptance letter for like my first real job, which you all know what it is. I thought, fuck. This is it? Yeah, I thought to myself,

I thought to myself, fuck, this is it. I am finally an adult. I've made it, man, I've got my first job, actually gonna have disposable income, gonna get a paycheck, work there for a year and I felt more lost than when I started. And I feel like that experience is probably not going to be an alien experience

to a lot of people. And then when I started feeling more comfortable was when I talked to people and I was like, oh, this isn't a me thing, this isn't everyone thing. We're all feeling the same way. We all have no fucking clue what we're doing. See, but then like, I would argue, you know, you said that like during, you know, like high school or whatever,

there's a lot of people who are just like, yeah, I have like a set plan, I'm gonna figure that shit out. But I don't know, me personally, I felt lost as fuck during high school. Because I was just kind of like, I understood that in this school environment. That's the norm though. Yeah, but that's the thing, right?

It's like, so it's interesting you say that the feeling of being lost made you feel like an adult because I feel like when I was lost, it made me feel like I was still a child because I was still trying to figure out my place in society. And then it's when I finally figured out what I wanted to do, which was this whole YouTube creative thing. That's when I started to be like, okay, this isn't like games,

just games and play anymore. Like this is like a serious occupation. This is a serious job for me now. Yeah. And like, even though I still, you know, treat that whole business and occupation as, you know, with a lot of fun and, you know, casual, you know, way, I also understand at the back of my mind, I'm like, if I fuck this up, then it's not just a matter of like, oh, well, no, I've lost a hobby or I've lost a thing that I like. Like, I have lost a job. Like I am, you know, and that creates serious consequences in my life. So I feel like, for me it was the opposite. Being able to its consequences. I think, I think, yeah, I can. Because in high school, if you fucked up, you had people around you there to support you, right? Whether it'll, you know, and you know,

obviously not every high school kid has this, but you know. We all have very three different interpretations. Yeah, I mean, because I feel like, I think they all have valid reasons as well. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think that just come from our own subjective life experience. Because I feel like we are all in very lucky positions now

and that we do have a job which we find fulfilling. You know, that is a fucking rarity, and that is a goal that everyone strives to get. And I feel so fucking blessed every day I wake up. And I know that I'm doing something that I find fulfilling, because doing like three, four years of an unfulfilling job working for a company, it's, that's soul-sucking.

And people have done that for far longer than I had to experience. So, you know, it's something I think we have to acknowledge that I, you know, I feel like we've found our purpose in life. Absolutely, yeah. a lot earlier than some other people may have found. Yet isn't it interesting that even though we, you know, as far as what we've talked about,

the definition of being an adult. Yeah. By definition, since we have found a job that is an actual legitimate job and we find satisfaction and we feel fulfilled in, which is what we have kind of lightly defined as being an adult. Yet, if you ask any traditional media about YouTube, they'll be like,

oh, these fucking kids just fucking around, not having fun, all that kind of stuff, you know? And it's like, it's interesting. like this disparity of like having a stable job, I guess, or like, you know, a real world job that's not like content creation on YouTube is considered like the adult choice.

And yet I'm sure there's a lot of people in those like job fields who maybe don't feel that way themselves. Yeah, I mean like I feel like times change a lot and you just gotta adapt with the times. I mean like fucking 40 years ago, you have looked like a degenerate child if you're still living with your parents at the age of like 30 or 20 gay.

And now at the different, reality of the world is that the housing and rent prices are so fucking high. Give me money and I'll get the fuck out. There are a lot of people who still live with their parents, not because they are a deadby degenerate. It's a wise financial choice. It's a wise financial choice and they still have a job that they commute to from like with their parents.

And it's just like a smart thing to do nowadays. You know, it's just like the way the world is. But like what I, okay, so you're an adult when you feel like an adult. I feel at the end of the day. Yeah, I guess what I was trying to get is like how do you, like what is the turning point or what is the series of thoughts or emotions that make you feel that way?

Because obviously, of course, you feel like an adult when you're an adult, whatever. But like what is the, what is that? Okay, at least for me personally, it's the feeling of every action I take from here on out, every choice I make from here on out, have real life consequences, whether that be good or bad. I think the term you're looking for

is responsibility. Yes. That's it. I am responsible for everything I do, everything I say, who I interact with, how I interact with everything in my world is now directly gonna come back to me. There's no parent buffer, there's no teacher buffer, there's no anyone in between to like, hold your hand or smooth it out.

I always wanted that, though, as a kid. Yeah. I hated the fact that I was tied to like, my, you know, not in a bad way, but like tied, everything was directly tied to my parents in some way. I always wanted to have independence. And I think that's why a lot of high school kids, you know, have that feeling of like,

I want to be an adult, you know. But okay. One of the independence, why I'm American. Do you ever like, you know, you know, like as a kid, the kind of like stereotype is there are kids who grew up way too fast and they miss like their, let's say, childhood or things that you can only experience as a kid. Do you feel like, do you feel like there are parts

of your childhood that you do miss? or as a kid where you just like, I just want to be an adult as fast as possible. And it's kind of like, let's say, met the hype of everything that you thought being an adult was as a kid. I mean, I think there's a lot of- Well, again, we have to bear in mind that I think it's different, right? Because I think that again, like you said,

we're successful in what we do. So obviously, being successful at whatever age or having money at 23 is obviously like great, whatever. I'm like, that's awesome. That's so much better than being 23 and having to work two jobs just to pay rent. And that's like, and I think that's not on the person from their childhood.

I think that's just purely of like, were you dealt a good hand in life? Were you fucked? Did you make any big mistakes that came back to haunt you? Like, I guess there's a bunch of reasons. So it's hard to like be like, I think it's impossible to be like predetermined if you were gonna be someone who like thought

that your childhood was better. Yeah. I think it's saying that just happens, fuck up, Like what if you were, you know, you had a, you had a really good childhood, but you were super, you couldn't wait to be an adult, you matured and whatever, and maybe you got like a bad car crash, and then maybe you can't, you lost, you know,

maybe you're blind, or maybe like something bad happened to you or maybe a loved one died and it's like, okay, well that would completely change how you view all of this stuff following. And you would obviously look back at your childhood in a lot more like kind of, what's the word, nostalgia. Yeah, because you're like, oh, everything was fun and safe, It was fun and safe and great back then.

And I could play video games and drink Ribina and it was fun. Yeah, I guess we can only really talk about our personal. Yeah, I mean, we can only talk about our personal experiences. However, I do think that if I had to go back, I'd probably still enjoy being a kid because all I was play video games and that's kind of what I wanna do now.

Okay, question, what age, if you could go back in time to your childhood, right, for let's say a week to experience it again, how old would you be? Dude, being like 15, 16 was like the best age. I love that thing. Cause I felt old enough to enjoy shit

and be mature about it. Yeah. I hated the exams, obviously. Yeah. But I felt like I was caught, like I was mature enough, but I could still spend all day playing video games. I would go back to like 12.

12, I 12. I think 12. Because like 12 is like kind of that point where you're like, you know, transitioning from primary school or elementary school to high school, at least in Australia, right? And I feel like just you're taken more serious,

a little bit more seriously than while you're in elementary but you still have all of the benefits of being out, fresh out of elementary school, right? Like you can do like more like kind of childlike activities and like be okay with it, you know, you can basically indulge in all your hobbies, whether they're like more mature or less mature for your age.

Like, you know, I could, I could do all of like the more immature, I guess like high school hobbies at the same time. But if, but if I wanted to fucking stay at home and, you know, watch anime for 15 hours while, you know, sucking on my thumb, then I can also do that too. Like it's fine. Like you get...

You're like, take me back to when I liked anime. Yeah, take me back. Take me back to the time where I could watch anything and I'd probably enjoy it. Honestly, Joey, Joey's same. As a jaded old man now, I can't do that. Take me back to when I discovered one piece and I, like, fucking marathon that shit.

Exactly. I think as an adult, you just miss being able to not feel bad about spending one week doing fucking nothing. And now... Because that was your whole life. Yeah. So the next time we had to do that is when we retire, and we're like 50 or 60 years old, an old man.

But we don't have the, we don't have as much energy as we did back then, so you're kind of limited to what you can do. I can watch a lot of TV. Yeah, you can do that, but I mean, like, to me, I think I can just boil it down to like a sentence, which is like, when was the last Christmas I was actually excited about? You know what I mean?

Like, when it was last time you went to bed on Christmas Eve and you're like, oh, I got some presents. When I got that Nintendo Wii, it was a game changing Christmas. Yeah, yeah. And to me, it was like, I think, I think it was around like 12, 13 years old. That was like the last point where I'm like, oh, I can actually get presents.

It was when holidays actually like meant something. Right, right? It wasn't just like I'm doing stuff with my family and friends. It was like a fucking event. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It was nice when you're too. Christmas Day, you're like, damn, I gotta play Crash Bandicoot, Spiro,

and this newer game. I don't know which one to do first. Oh, man. It was just the excitement of just being like, this is just gonna be a bang a day. No matter what. The next week I am in heaven. I'm gonna play new video games

that I can only get this many video games at once on this day. I'm gonna eat some bang of food. And it's just gonna be a good day. And that to me is kind of like the pure happiness that I will never experience again as an adult. Because it's great. It's a different kind of happiness. It's a different kind of happiness, which, you know, it's,

we, I'm still, I'm very happy being an adult. But, you know, there is a, certain type of happiness you feel as a kid that I would love to experience again, just once. Just, just, just, just, just once. And I feel the only way to, like, realistically be able to experience that again is when you have your own kids, where you can kind of live vicariously

through the, through the enjoyment of watching your kids experience that exact same thing that you probably experienced as a kid as well. Hopefully, if... Until we become an anime fan. Until, yeah, and then the moment when my son or daughter comes up to me, they go, what's one piece? And I'll be like, rest in peace. He's following his dad's part.

I want to try this curry in front goes gross. All right, all right. Let's just do one little try. Let's try to scurry, though. Go on. I'll be the first. Go on. I can already see this will be the most replayed part of the episode.

God damn. I just want to, I'll take one little test. Bro, that looks viscous. Can we get some spoons? Oh my God, it smells. Oh, smell that. Oh my God. Dude, why is it so thick?

Oh, my God. That's like a paste. Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, oh. Oh. I'm not excited for this at all. Do we have any milk? It's fine, it's fine.

No, it won't. I'm sure it's not going to- You guys go first. I'm just to try this real quick. I'm just to try a little bit. All right, all right, all right. That's all right, I'll deal with water. How is it?

It's not that bad, actually. Is it not? I don't, I do not. I do not trust these two's opinion. The thing about like... Actually, it's not as bad as 10. I remember 10 being worse. The thing about this is that a few bites isn't too bad,

but it's when you have like the whole thing that you start fucking hell. I can smell that fucking hell. I can literally see like the curry powder. It's more powder than curry, man. They're like salt grains and curry powder in there. It's a little. It's not awful. The time I had yesterday was worse, genuinely.

It's not that bad. You could do this. You could do this. You could do this. All right. The one bite isn't that bad. One bite isn't that bad. It's when you have an entire-

And it's going down your throat and- We're good. We just shed. Yeah. We just shed. Yeah. No worries. I think it's like more peppery than it is like.

Yeah. Spicy, you know. I mean, it's definitely spicy. Don't get me wrong. It's definitely spicy. I'm just funny a little bit. It's very peppery. Yeah, yeah.

That's it right. It's the peppery kind of. Of spicy? Being an adult is enjoying pepper. The salt and pepper. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Nah, that's fucking spicy. That's spicy.

It's not that bad though. It's as bad as tan. I've never had tan, so I don't know. It's pretty, uh. I mean, I didn't actually make a video, a whole video about eating tan and it was. Yeah, I didn't fucking eat it. It was like a 12 minute video about how bad it was.

I don't think it was that bad. Yeah, but she can't eat level one. Oh, okay. She's Filipino. She doesn't eat spicy food. I should do that with oranges. In a video where I'm like, Benchized orange from Florida.

Okay, to be fair, I think because I have trained myself now in the past couple of years on that, that's not as bad as I thought it's gonna be. That hurts, but I can deal with it. That is the kind of spice I don't like. That's so much like artificial spice. Give me like a good pepper. Give me like a good trash person.

The Thai peppers, when I see them, they strike fear of me. I know my digestive system is gonna be fucked the next day. I've been, I've had, I've shit four times today already. Like, okay, so. I'm sweating. I guess go, go. This can be an interesting post-class.

Being an adult is being able to know that you're gonna regret a decision and still make it. When, uh, if, I'm leaving that right now. If or when you eventually have kids, would you try to give your kids, like, would you try to make it? So they don't grow up too fast either or, you know, they kind of have like the chart, like, what is like a good child? You know, what is a good childhood that, uh, aside from obviously just being in a good position,

uh, having rich parents. Being a nepo baby. Yeah, no, uh, I don't know. I think, I think it's the idea of, you know, I would say I had a pretty good childhood. Um, not because like my parents were like well off or like, you know, I was like fucking privileged or whatever, you know, that's all dependent on perspective. But like, I think the one thing that made my childhood really good was that my parents were like open enough and were understanding enough for me to be able to pursue what I wanted to do.

Or like pursue like, even if it was like fucking insignificant, even if it was something like, you know, hey dad, I wanna start playing tennis. Yeah. You know, I wanna learn how to play the piano. No son, you shall not play tennis. Yeah, you know, or it's like any kind of like thing where it's like, you know, I wanna be,

I wanna like learn how to do this or like learn this skill or be able to do this or play, you know, this thing. And as long as it wasn't like too fucking extreme, like, you know, if I was 11 years old and I was like, Dad, I wanna skydive, he'd just be like, you're on crack, you know, I'm not gonna let you do that. But, you know, if it was just like, you know,

like childhood, you know, I guess discoveries of like, you know, certain things you want to do or certain skills you wanna try, I think a good childhood is having those parents that just let you do it. And, you know, being like, all right, we'll let you do it. If you don't end up liking it, that's totally fine.

If you end up liking it, hey, good for you. I think it's just having that option open. Yeah. You know, because there's a lot of, like, controlling parents out there. You will do exactly this and this and this, you know. They were so tired of me swapping hobbies all the time. Oh, same. They were like, fuck's sake, pick something.

Yeah. We just pick something and stick with it for fuck's sake. That's why, to my parents, it's a fucking miracle I've done YouTube for 10 years because they thought for sure I was going to get bored of it and just quit. I know what I liked, right? I was not going to compromise on it. If I didn't want to, if I thought I liked fucking. and playing badminton and I thought it sucked afterwards.

I had hobbies that lasted like not even a week. But it's the fact I think that my parents let me discover for myself whether it was something I actually wanted to do or not defines a good childhood. But I guess that's also like, I guess that is, it's not like privileged, but also obviously if you have to be a bit well off to allow to pay for your kids to do this kind of stuff.

Because nowadays I feel like this, it's a lot harder to be like, hey, yeah, I can afford to give you piano lessons that are probably never gonna come to anything. I mean, mind you, there were some things as well that I was like, hey, I wanna do this thing. And my parents were just like, we don't have the money for that.

Oh, fair enough. Yeah, so like, they were fair about it, you know. So they obviously saw they were like, all right, is it financially viable? Sorry, Joe, you bought a fucking Mario theme song for my phone, so broke, so no palaces. No palaces, fuck you, Jay. My dad always used to say, like,

I'm putting that on the tab. Yeah. For when you have to pay me back as an adult. Every time I was like, dad, can I buy this like candy? And he's just like, how much is it? And he looks at it and he's like, all right, I'm putting it on the tab. And so as a kid, I dead-ass thought,

I had this fucking I-O-U that my dad was like, keeping track of being like, I was just prepared for when I turned 18, for my dad just be like, happy 18th birthday. Kind of cool to know exactly, how much money your parents have spent on you. Yeah, interesting. Just out of, for no reason,

just to see a number that was like, this is how much we spent. I mean, it'll give me a good idea of how much I have to spend on my kid, right? So, I think you're about to say pay them back. But you were like, nah, fuck him. Joey finishes, I am the gift. Joe finishes university and he gets a student loan

and his dad comes along. He's like, this is the real loan. Yeah, this is the real IOU. This is the IOU from your entire life. So is there an interest rate on this? What's the, can you Google, what's the average amount parents spent on their kids in their entire life?

I'm sure because I know this, I remember there's a figure like 10 years ago, but 10 years is nothing. I was also watching this thing. Like, you know when you watch things and they mention like money and then like in today's money, it's this. Yeah. Yeah.

And then you're like, oh man, that's crazy. That's so long ago. And you're like, it's only 100 years ago. You're like, oh, shit. Wait, I'll be alive for like most of that. Yeah. So my money could go from being like nothing to something if I just held on to it. Well, yeah, that's literally every person who like bought a house.

Like that's like your parents and grandparents age. It's like, we bought this fucking seven bedroom, four bathroom mansion for like $20,000. And it's like, today it's like, oh, I can buy a shoebox for 1.5 million. That's just every American realizing how young they're country is and how much of their lifetime they've already spent in their country's history. Australia was the exact same thing, bro. Do you have an average?

300k in the US. 300K in US. For one child, all right, for one per child. Per child. All right. Fuck you now. Well, future child, I've got three brothers. Future, future, future, my future child, if you're watching this, I expect the 300K back by the time.

Yeah, I want to run, I'm gonna write, I'm gonna actually start a tab. Just to see. I dead-ass wish my dad actually kept a time so that as an adult I could be like, all right, let me see how much. It would be super interesting in hindsight to be like, we spent how much on this weird hobby for you? Yeah.

I'm sure people who don't keep track, right? I just because I love looking at numbers and it's so fun seeing data. Yeah. Like all lined up. Bro, I went to piano lessons for like 15 years. I don't want to think about how much money my parents spent on. Did you choose to do piano lessons or did you have parents? So how it ended up happening was who,

my sister was actually the one who was like, I want to learn how to play piano. And my mom was always like, you know, being the Asian parent, she was always like, oh my Asian child wants to learn an instrument and its piano, destiny. So we bought like an upright piano for the house. And my sister was like learning out play.

At this point, I hadn't started at all. My sister, I would just watch my sister like practicing and kind of struggle because I guess piano wasn't really a thing. And then I would jump on the piano and I would, without any lessons, just be able to play the exact same thing my sister was. He's a savant.

What a flex. And then that's what my parents My parents are like, I think we should get you in instead of my sister. So my sister immediately quit after that and then I filled her place. And then I did it for 15 years. So it's like my parents, my parents of Pauli thinking like,

oh, thank God the investment on that piano didn't go to waste. Because if I had never picked it up and my sister would have quit, then we would have just had a fucking, you know, dust-filled piano just in our house. But it was actually put to good use, thankfully. Do you know why I saw a guitar? Why? I'm not to call up my mom here.

my mom here because it wasn't actually my decision to start guitar or I didn't have like, I don't think I had interest in it. But my mom was like, I'm starting you up to guitar lessons. I'm like, okay, why? And she's like, you'll get girls. Did she really? Yeah, she was like, your mom got the wrist, bro.

She was like girls like, she was like girls like it when guys play guitar. I'm signing you up for a guitar. That is true. That is true. I thought it was gonna be like a status symbol thing, because often it's seen as a status symbol

to make your kid as talented in an instrument, right? Yeah, yeah. Play the thing, boy. Play the thing, come on now, play the piano. I understand my guest. I think it's more like a piano or like a violin or like a classical instrument. My mom just like tried to get like,

tried to like riz me up. She was like, this was we used to one life one day. And then I just started playing guitar and I think I was like, as a kid, I just like, I was the type of kid that just did things because people told me to do. To do it. I didn't really,

he's a sheep! And I just continued doing guitar lessons and then like accidentally started a band just because I kept doing guitar lessons. So, so basically the whole reason why nine and a half pounds exist is because of your mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hell yes, let's go. Yeah. I never did any instruments. I actually did try to learn drums, but I just realized I just didn't understand rhythm. Like he was trying to teach me it And I was like, it just doesn't make sense to me. What do you mean? It's just like, he would try and teach me like basic shit.

And I'm like, I just don't get it. Like I would be able to replicate it. Yeah. But it would be, be because I like had to translate it in my head into like, like ones and twos or like hitting numbers. Yeah. Like I had a like a sound system. Yeah. Like a robot essentially.

Like I can't recognize the rhythm as like a thing. I just, I can't listen to it. I can't replicate it. Right. So I gave up on that pretty quickly. And then I just did sports. A lot of sports, but only, I only really liked the sports

where it was like, I hated team sports because I hated having to be in a team. And you go into League of Legends. Yeah, exactly. I hated having to rely on other people. Which sounds so fucking anime MC. I don't need other people. But I genuinely, like, hated sports

where I had to like, I was part of a team because I wasn't very good to get it. No, I'm totally the same. That's why I started tennis. Yeah, well, so I didn't like tennis. That's a one V1, bro. Yeah, yeah. I didn't like tennis, but then I got into squash,

known as racket ball. Maybe you ever spoke about this? No, you've never talked about it. I've never talked about it. I'm just squash, as it's called in the UK. Yeah. It's called racket ball in the US. Or as I like to call it, privileged tennis.

It's normally like, yeah, what's weird is, I guess like when I left the UK, I realized how bizarre this is. Like almost every, every sports center in Wales, at least, I'm not sure about England, they would have a squash court. Really?

Every single sport center, they'd have a tennis court. They'd have a... Is it big in Wales? It's pretty big in the... I guess it must be. Yeah, it's pretty big. And they'd have like those, there's the, like the giant concrete walls with the glass front. So yeah, yeah. And like every, a lot of people played it. But then I realized when watching American like TV, that it was only played by like super rich businessmen when they wanted to like talk. Yeah. And it was like, oh, I usually played that in

school a lot. It was golf, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so I played that. I played, uh, I was on, I, I guess by default, I, I played for Wales for a little bit, because there was, there wasn't many of us. I was like number like 19 or something, number in Wales, no, it's terrible. It wasn't very good. Out of 19 players. Yeah, I was like, I think I was like, the rankings at least.

And, yeah, it was fun, I liked that. And because I liked the fact that I could just sprint and hit a ball really hard. Yeah. Because tennis was so much about like technique and being elegant. I guess. But then I started playing badminton.

Yeah. Like I guess even more so that. Yeah. Bameters is like more finessey than tennis. Yeah. And my brother did it as well. So I, and it was kind of interesting because we were like the opposites.

I was always looking to like smash it as hard as I could. Yeah. Like an ogre. Like I was very fat like because I was, I was very good at sprinting. So I was very good at sprinting and smacking it really hard. Whereas my brother was really good at technique. Yeah.

Being like smart about it. Well, we never played together because he was in an older bracket. But yeah. So I just, I was just a Neanderthal. Right. I was like hit it. Everything I wanted to do.

I wanted to just rely on like raw ability. I never wanted the study. I never cared about learning to get better. I was like, I just wanna be good at something. You're right. Just do it. Yeah. Over and over again.

It's always weird to see, to like talk to people and just see how many like weird hobbies and phases they went through as a kid. Cause like, yeah, I remember when I was in like middle school or high school or something, I was like on my like teams basketball team. We didn't even have a basketball team. I did a bit of basketball as well.

You did a bit of basketball. We didn't even have basketball. I mean, the only reason I joined was because we had PE and the coach was like, you should join the basketball. And I'm like, why? And she's like, you're tall. And I'm like, okay.

Now, I only joined because it was, I read slam dunk and I was like, I wanna fucking play this game. Of course it was Joey. I wasn't, I was the shortest dude in my team. I'm just like, no, no, don't worry. I can be like Mitsu. I can be a short, sprinty, fast guy in the team and I'll be good.

I did that for like a few months. And then I was just like, this too hard. Yeah, were you, were you any good at it? I was decent at it. But I think it's because like, because I'd grown up doing a lot of like ball sports, like soccer, and like tennis and like just a whole variety of them.

And like I did a bit of like baseball and cricket and stuff like that as well, but nothing too seriously. I think I was just used to- I did a bit of baseball. What the fuck? Yeah, when I come to Japan, I would have like some friends who like play a bit of baseball.

I never play baseball. I think sometimes when I explain to America I was like, no no, we do not know anything about baseball. We don't under, we don't know it. It's, we don't have it. No, dude, baseball would be the perfect sport for you. Because if you're a batter, you just have to think to yourself,

I need to hit this ball as hard as I fucking can. And as a fielder, you just have to think, I need to grab the ball and throw it back as hard as I fucking can. There's no like, there's like little bits of finesse in it, but it's not like squash or like tennis where you have to like think about your moves or anything like that. There's got to be more techniques to it.

There is technique, but not as much as like squash. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if this is going to get my passport revoked. Um, I think like baseball is funer than cricket to play at least. Because I had like one baseball, like we, I have no strong feelings about cricket, by the way.

I have no strong feelings about cricket, so I don't care. I do. Because, so we had like, you know, in PE in high school and everything, we had like, you know, Indian viewership drops to, you know. Hello fellow Americans. But yeah, we had like one baseball lesson

in our PE class because I guess there was like one of our gym teachers was just like really, really fucking into baseball. And I'm like, I've, I despised every cricket lesson I ever had. I was just like, maybe I just hate the act of hitting a ball that's thrown at me on a stick. And then I've realized that when I played baseball,

for some reason, it was just so much more satisfying when you just get the strike in, like way more than it was for cricket for me. I don't know why. I just, something about the way baseball was way more satisfying. Swinging about like this, I think it's just more natural than swinging about like this.

Yeah, you know, like holding something like this when something is coming to more. wear all that stuff as well. Yeah, yeah. Because otherwise you gonna have severe injuries. Well, I mean, in baseball, if the pitcher is shit, you're gonna get, you know, you're gonna get a fast ball thrown at you, right? It's still dangerous.

Yeah. Both, both, I think, I think the ball for cricket's obviously like a little bit harder. Oh, that thing is a rock. Yeah, cricket's fucked. Yeah, I hated that ball. The amount of times that ball has just like smacked right into my shin and left the biggest bruise on me while playing cricket,

oh my god. Yeah. That shit's painful. Yeah, so yeah, I don't know. I've always found baseball more. fun, but there was so many sports I wanted to get into when I was younger, but I just also didn't have. Like what? I really enjoyed hockey.

Hockey or normal hockey? Just normal hockey. Ice hockey and in America, if you say hockey, it means ice hockey. No, yeah, just field hockey, I guess. Yeah, I've really, really fucking enjoyed hockey. But in England, at least that was more seen as like, you know, that's like what the girls do, you know?

It's like the girls did, the girls. Girls did hockey and netball, and the guys played like basketball and football, you know. Yeah. And I was like, shit, but I really, actually really fucking enjoy hockey. I wanna join the girls. We didn't have a team in our school,

but I really wanted to play it more. And yeah, that's, I really enjoyed that. Was there a sport you always wanted to do, but never got the chance to? Even if it's like, just for like one time, just to see if you're like even like it or just interested in trying it. The sports where I'm like, how the fuck did you get into that?

Like the one where, what's the, like how do you, how do you, if the one where they ski and shoot things, like I'm like how the fuck do you even get into that? What's, what? You know the, in the Winter Olympics when they do like the really long distance, like ski walking?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like going uphill a lot of the time. And then they stop and pull a gun out and start shooting targets. I've never seen that. You've seen this. I've never seen that. What's it called?

I think it. Not curling. I wanna try curling. But like curling. How the fuck do you get into it? I wanna try curling. Like, there's certain sports where I feel like I'd crush it and I'm like, dude, I feel like as a kid,

if you let me do the, what's it called, Clay Pigeon shooting? Yeah. I feel like I'd pop off. I'm, I feel like I would, but I'm like, oh, that's only for people from very wealthy backgrounds who had a-close to a connection to some. And you say, like, oh, a lot of these sports are kind of interesting.

You just never get to try, because you either don't live in a place where it's done, or you just don't have the financial means to do it. Like, another one like that is like skiing or something. Yeah. That's something that all just requires being a bit more wealthy to do.

Did you find a guy? Military patrol. No, no, no, no, no. Military patrol. Yeah, I was gonna say, what kind of described sounded like a call of duty mission. Yeah, no, it's not. It's not, it's not really not.

No, no, no. Take down the helicopter. I'm gonna do, do, do, do it's not like a rifle. Pretty sure that's a scene from James Bond, right? You know, it's like a Mission Impossible way, if I can see it. And then they skis off into the helicopter. Tom Cruise slaloming down

and then shooting a fucking RPG in a helicopter. The biathlon. Byathlon is a winter sport that combines cross-country skiing and rifle shooting. It is treated as a race with contestants skiing through a cross-country trail whose distance is dividing to shooting rounds. So like how well you do on the shooting

gives you like time penalties or thing? It's really cool. But man is it like one of those sports I'm like, how the fuck do you even get into this? Because you're cross-country skiing, but a lot of it is like the skiing where you're like kind of having to do the running with the skis on.

It's pretty fucking hard work. And then on top of that, you gotta whip out a rifle and fucking shoot it. It's ridiculous. I'm like, who came up with this? Bro, that's badass man. That is bad ass. It is dude.

I mean, that's like average, I guess if you're just from Finland, that's just childhood, but for like other countries, I'm like, who the fuck, who the fuck from like Morocco learned to do this? How do they learn to represent this? How do this happen? It's like, that's just like cool runnings, you know?

Yeah, that's just the plot of cool running. Well, yeah, I guess it's like that's like, you're like, how the fuck was I was supposed to get into the sport that looks cool? I'd love to try and do bobsledding. How the fuck do I get into that? Who do I go to? Am I too old?

Can I try now? Like, what do I do? One hobby that I kind of like am interested in getting back into, because this is just like, I think everyone has like one wild card hobby. That would be a great hobby to have. My heroine hobby? No.

I remember I went through a brief period where I did like ballroom and Latin America dancing. Oh. And I was actually really fucking fun. That would get- That would riz people up. That would riz people out. You're not saying you the wrong thing.

Male dancers get so much. Holy shit. So much. Yeah. I mean, I did it cause a mate kind of like dragged me to do it. Yeah. This is like in university phase. He dragged me to do it because he wanted to meet girls. So he dragged me to bore him on Latin America

because he needed like, he needed the guy to go with him. And I ended up just really fucking enjoying it and just doing it for two years because it's actually really fun. Now do you know what's a male like an activity that you do as a male that gets you the ultimate Riz? What? Fucking ballet.

That shit gets you ultimate Riz. Every time. Like it sounds like a budget like alpha conversation. Yeah, it is, it is. Which one will get you the most pussy? Welcome to the Diet Alpha podcast. Hello, I, today I'm gonna convince you why doing ballet will get you ultimate arras.

Hello, it is I, Andrew Cake. We're gonna talk about the ultimate alpha. Ballet. Ballet is where it's at. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I think now, I want to get back into it, because I think it'd just be a really fun thing to do with Sydney and romantic. Plus there is like, I will swear to God, there is nothing that makes you feel like more powerful

as a man than just dancing the tango with a girl, man. I'm jealous man, because I have like absolute zero coordination when it comes to dancing. I cannot. I have as well, to be fair, to say this, I sucked at it. I was that one guy that just sucked at it because I suck at dancing, but it just was so fun.

And that one time you get the steps on and it's like, you know, dancing like something like salsa or tango where you kind of like, you as the, you have to like lead the girl. So like they have to like follow your lead and there's just something so fucking powerful about that feeling of just being like, okay, for this one song, you have to follow everything I say

and everything I do. Not only that, but that comes in clutch at the retirement home as well dog. Like if you're that one old dude that can like, fucking break their hips doing the salsa bro, all the grannies would just be like, that man still got the wrist after all these years. Yeah, it is weird to like, a lot of girls I know actually

did ballet when they were younger. It's funny you bring up ballet because Sydney did that. I don't know, like, maybe it's a fucking Midwestern country girl thing, but every, every girl. It's what piano is to Asian parents. Oh, yeah, it's ballet. It's a white parents. I'm not sure.

I'm just speculating. I've never, that's such a good analogy. Ballet is just piano for white parents, man. Well, it's like a hobby that 99% of kids will drop and the 1% will keep down. Yeah, and the 1% that holds on to it become like savant. There's almost a part of me that wants you to try playing drums again. Why? Because I just...

Because he wants to start a band. Yeah. We're gonna get the band back together. I mean, we can do it if you like basic beat. Like basic beats. I can teach you. Yeah. I feel like, honestly, like, you know,

you say that you don't have, like, the concept of, like, rhythm and stuff like that, but I feel that's something that can be trained. I feel it's like, you know, when it comes to, like, musicality and stuff, yeah, well, when it comes to, like, musicality, right? And, like, you know, playing, like, an actual instrument. You know, there's, like, people who are just like,

I can't fuck. Like, I can not imagine you playing, it's going to sound bad, an actual musical instrument. Whoa, what are you saying about drums? Dude, you know the joke of what do you call a guy who hangs out with a bunch of musicians? No. The drama.

Oh. Because, because like, I feel percussion is like, hey, look, hey, I play drums, it's fine. I feel like it's something that can be trained, because I think just like knowing rhythm. Can we teach a monkey to cook? Yeah, probably. We can make it put together a carbunara,

but it might not taste it. Yeah, it's still the skill though, right? Like, I'm not expecting you to be the fucking greatest drummer in the world, but I reckon when it comes to like simple, you know, different stuff, like a four, four, or three, four, like you could easily do that. You have a little faith for me, yeah.

I almost wanna do it for a video. Like, take you to like a recording place. It would be interesting just to see how, yeah. Teach you'll teach you drums for a full day and see how well you get. If I enjoyed it, it would be easy, but if I don't enjoy it, I suck it stuff like this. Right, yeah.

It's like, I just have no motivation. to get better at it. Yeah, right. I mean, it's unfortunate. Yeah, it is normally like that. What's like a one skill you want to be able to like absolutely master by the time you're like, I'm too old to learn anything new? If you had to pick one.

I don't think there's anything I can't learn getting older, I guess, that I would want to learn. I mean, yeah. I'd like to be good at cooking. That feels like an OP strat. Just in life. That gets your risk. It's in general.

Not everything has to get you, Riz, Joey. I'm not doing it. unless I get rins. I just think I- We already have partners, Joe, you have nothing to prove. I'm passionate about eating food. Yeah. And I think I would equally be passionate about making it

if I had the time and just the space to do. I just don't have time right now. And also I don't want to, that's not something I'm interested in right now, but I can see myself being interested in like 10, 20 years. Right, right. When do you, okay, I guess, I guess since we don't have time right now,

which I guess is like the biggest factor for me learning any new. as well as it is for every working adult. When do you guys think you're gonna retire? When I have enough money, though. I mean, we've seen, we've seen us like a slow trends now about like a lot of like well off YouTubers who have, I guess, announced their retirement,

like, you know, PewDiePie, I guess is like the biggest one. He's also a dad now though. He's also a dad. He also made crazy bank. Yeah, that man is, that man and his son are set for life. Yeah, let's be real. Exactly, and like I know there was a few others as well that were announced that was,

Tifi or something announced that he retired as well. Yeah, he also made crazy. Yeah, basically just made crazy bank and retire. I guess how much crazy bank I make. See, I think for me, it's not only about like, do I have enough money to be able to not work for the rest of my life or, you know, be able to support my children if I have any or whatever,

but it's more so for me it's like, you know, because I feel like retirement is that kind of point where you're like, there's nothing I want to like, turn into a career. There's nothing I want to do that will necessarily generate money anymore. Yeah. And I feel for me it's like that's a really important part about it because it's like, you can say you're retiring, right? Yeah. You know, say like, oh, I've made enough money to support myself for the rest of my lifetime and I've been able to achieve this, this and this. And I'm ready to put it to rest and just like, relax for the rest of my life. But if I retire and I get to

the point where I'm like, yeah, but there's still shit I want to do. Yeah. Then would you even consider that retirement? I mean, I think. Like, it's not so much you're going into retirement. You're just retiring one thing to start another thing. I mean, for me, I'm the kind of person who I just need to be doing something. Yeah, same. I need to be doing something, you know.

Like, luckily enough, I'm in a position where I am comfortable, you know, financially to be stable, which is, I guess, what I thought I'd spend my entire life working towards. And I'm, you know, lucky, in a position where I'm lucky that I'm like, okay, I am stable and my, Parents are stable and my family's stable. So I'm like, if I were to, like, when I reach retirement age, whenever that age is, I still think I'd be doing something. Yeah. You know, I still, like, right now, it's all about, okay.

You know, right now, right now it's all about, okay, everything I do needs to, like, have, like, you know, longevity. Needs to be, needs to give me longevity to hopefully set the way for the future. I am stable 10, 20 years from now. So there's still like a part of my mind where everything I do needs to build towards a foundation. Retirement to me means that foundation is set.

I do not need to worry. And I can focus on doing shit that does not mean anything in the grand scheme. Yeah, because like, for example, like my dad went into retirement this year a few months ago. And I was like, oh, congrats dad, you know, you're finally retired.

He can, you know, get out of this whole IT sales thing he's been doing for 30 plus years of his life. And I was like, so what are you gonna do? Like, what's your retirement plan? And he dead ass just looks at me and he's like, I wanna drive a bus. And I'm like, dad, that's not retirement. You're just changing jobs at that point.

Like, why, like, because I think in his mind, it was like, it's not so much like, oh, I'm still in the workforce or like I'm going back to work. It's just something for him to do during the week. Yeah. But I feel, you know, it's still, still technically a job, right, being a bus driver. Even if it may not necessarily be a nine to five,

you know, five days a week type of job, it's still something you're obligated to go and do and you get money to do it, right? So I'm like, I almost don't count that as retirement. I just count that as like, I think retirement for me is when it's like, okay, the things I'm going to do after all of my actual obligatory work stuff is done. Well, it's when like the burden of having to provide

is kind of gone. Yeah, and it's like, I, and how you spend your time doesn't necessarily generate money or there's no obligation to do it. Like, you know, like I'm sure like, you know, I'll still be making like YouTube videos just like casually after I like, quote, Joey has a granddad.

Retire, right? Like, you know, maybe that will never stop. Who knows? Like I could be in my 80s and I'll still be like, you know, I still really wanna make this video. Who knows? We don't know, because YouTube hasn't gone on for long. I'll get to my arc where like,

my, like, I just have a YouTube channel where all I do is like, right, boys, I gotta fix the toilet. Yeah. I'm thinking about remodeling this room. Basically, basically, let's go through the, it's basically the content that like Felix has been doing as of late, you know, to like,

did you do a video where you like install the TV? Yeah. Like, he's, to him, he's made his money. He's good, right? But he's still making those videos, not because he's like, I need to put up this video to make money to feed my family. It's more so just like, I just want to do it, regardless of what it does, right? That's the stage I want to reach.

Yeah. The I don't give a fuck what I need to post stage. Yeah. I mean, I'd argue, I'm not, I'd argue, I'm just, I'm already at that point, but it's like, for me, retirement is just like, it's a combination of like, do I have enough money where everything I do

after this point may not necessarily generate any amount of money whatsoever, but I'll still do it. Or is it like to the point of like, there are still something I want to do that I can turn into this big financial thing that will like still support me and still be bringing in money.

And it's like, it's, I feel there's like no age for that. It's just kind of at the point where you have to just kind of self reflect and being like, all right, am I there yet? Like is that, have I done everything I wanna do? Do I have enough money in the bank? You know, is my life steady and happy to welcome, you know, my inevitable death?

Like when all of the stars have lined up, that's when I feel like and be like, all right, you know what? I'm comfortable to retire now. You say retirement is just the point where you can just pursue all of the hobbies that you'd wanted to pursue. Retirement is just like end credit games. Like that's, you know?

It's like post game. It's post game. That's what all retirement is. It's just like I can keep doing my shit, but I know at the end of the day, I've already got to the credits. Like there's no obligation for me to do it. Give me a new game plus.

I want a new game plus. Let me start over. That's called reincarnation, actually. There's something I look forward to you, but I also equally feel bad that I think, like, I know it doesn't matter. I don't know that it doesn't matter, but it's not my life, whatever,

but I feel bad that a lot of like, where most people are at right now, they can't even like consider retirement. Yeah, of course. saving for it. And I, you know, because I think we get excited and we're like, yeah, I wonder what we're gonna do with when we retire and do what we're gonna do it.

And I feel bad when I'm like, when you hear about people who are like, man, I gotta work two jobs. The thought of retiring is not even an option. Right, I can't, I can't ever do shit. And I hope that whatever happens in the world, that it gets easier for people to be able to consider retiring and do it, because the age of retirement

is rising in every country. It is, it is. God, especially Japan, holy shit. Yeah, I mean, what the fuck? Like, can you, like, if you are somebody who joins the workforce in like this, like, this, like, decade, can you even like consider retiring? Like, can you even like, can you genuinely get

to the end of your career and be like, oh, yes, I can live off the retirement money? Like, I don't think most people can even do that now. Like, I think that's, and also- I mean, you'd have to be like, I'd say, like, living a pretty frugal retirement at that stage, right? Like, because you're only so limited to what- Yeah, most people can't live off the government retirement.

Yeah, like, you know, like Japan and like America with like 401ks and shit, like, and pensions in Japan and shit, like, you know, they give you options to be able to like save up for that retirement. But, you know, maybe you'd be in a position where your job isn't paying you enough or the lifestyle you're living is like cutting into your, you know, you're spending too much and stuff like that, that to the point where it just makes it more difficult to welcome that stage. And a lot of people don't even make it to the retirement age.

Yeah. In Japan, they do. Yeah. I certainly do, but a lot of countries. A lot of countries are very good at making them, make it to retirement age. It's like, better or worse for this. It's getting close to, is it,

it's getting close to 70 in some European countries. And it's like, well, don't make it to 70. And even if they do, like, you know, maybe they have a few years in life. And it's like, what is the, what even is retirement anymore? Yeah. Is retirement even gonna be a concept

that is like afforded to everyone? Or is it gonna be something that only rich people can think about it. I mean, it should be rewarded to everyone, you know, to be honest, but yeah, just, Some countries it makes it difficult. Yeah, I mean, I think it's like one of the happiest moments in my life, at least, was being able to give my dad his retirement.

Yeah, yeah. Because my dad had me very, very late in his life and has been like fucking giga-chat, working his ass off to provide for me his entire life, especially since my mom has had a lot of health issues in her life as well. So a lot of it stems from my dad having to, you know, put the hours in. And there was a point when I quit for YouTube that he did not know if he was going to be able to retire because I'm an only child

and I don't have any brothers or sisters to prop up the family. It was all on me basically. So my dad went through like massive, massive fucking stress. He passed retirement age and he kept working because I still like hadn't, let's say like made it then. And you know, he kept working his ass- So he was waiting for you to kind of, I suppose,

have money to give to him, is that? No, no, no. He was waiting until, I was stable enough to take care of it just in case, hey, God needs some help. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, because he always wants to, like, I remember him telling me once that, uh, at one point he was like, I guess he just had accepted that he would just be working until like he passed away. And, you know, that, that fucking hit me when I heard it. So I was like, fuck, I really, really, really want to make this work. Not just obviously for myself, but because I want to give my dad, his retirement and you know the I will never forget the moment where I you know I was able to like say hey dad we're financially stable and that was the moment where I kind of like you know said that we've paid off the mortgage for the family house that we've been paying off as a family for like years and years and then you could like for like I I saw like the strings of tension just like just like

completely like cut off. Just everything snapped and years of- anime Tudorin dad. Hey, let's go! They said I wouldn't be able to make a career off of it. Now I have. Look at them now. Yeah, and my dad just literally just like collapsed on the sofa and that's, I hope my dad didn't mind me telling

the story, but like that's the first time I like, has ever seen like my dad like shed a tear. Oh, and I was just like, holy shit. This is this, this is what I've been working for. And now I'm like, oh, Okay, I'm satisfied. I'm happy with my life now. I'm happy, I'm like, monk mode activated.

I am satisfied with what I've achieved and anything else now is a bonus and a new journey for me. I take it back, ballet doesn't get you the most risk, paying your parent retirement. That's what gets you the most rate. That's the ultimate move. Yeah, and I'm glad my dad can enjoy his retirement fully now,

even though he was working way harder than he should have been for a person his age. I take a toll on you, man. So how is your dad spending his retirement? Learning guitar, actually. He's, he wakes up and he learns guitar and just reading books and I'm like, that's what I want.

That's what I want. My dad's retired. Oh yeah? Oh yeah? He works. So he hasn't retired. Well, he found, no, no, he doesn't work. He just helps people build stuff.

Oh. So he's kind of, it's not, and now he's like remodeled in the house. Oh, that's funny updates. They've literally the house looks like a hurricane hit it. Ah, they get an open plan. Hell yeah. Has every remodeling of a house here. Yeah, he's doing a lot of that.

Yeah, hell yeah. I'm jealous. My dad just knows how to do stuff. Yeah. He's like, yeah, oh, the plumbing's broken. Oh, yeah, I know how to fix it? Like, how do you know how to fix it? Who taught you this?

Why didn't know? Why wasn't I taught this? Yeah, do you ever feel like there's life skills that people just know and you're like, where do people learn this from? Yeah, I mean, anything to do with like just fixing everything? Yeah, and do you use any skill involving any tools? So it's fixed something.

I'm just like, how, where, who taught you this? For me, it's cars. Like, anything to do with cars? Like, I remember one time, I had to listen, I was in, like, Ireland, in Ireland with Sydney. And then, you know, we had a rental car and we were just driving around. It broke down, like in the middle of Ireland.

And I was like, what do you do? What am I supposed to do now? I'm like, I know maybe I'm supposed to call the AA does the AA exist here? Do we need insurance? What is the process? And I just realized, I had just never been taught this

or I had never been taught how to change a flat tire if I'd like ever had a, if you ever got a flat tire in the middle of the road, right? And I was just like, I am just so unequipped with this life skill that people,

I think people are supposed to know, I have just never experienced it. Well, counterpoint. Yes. I think that's because there's this whole level of information that is like stuff you should know, but you don't need to know them now, because in two seconds, you can watch a YouTube video

on how to do it. Right. Like I think learning how to change your tire, yes, you should know how to do that without having to do it, but I think the reason why people don't feel so pressed to learn it is because if it happens, and let's say you have all the gear with you, you're like, all right, well, let's watch the YouTube video,

how it's a good tutorial, and you can just watch someone explain it. And you're like, okay, and even if I knew how to do something like change a tire, I think I would just watch the video just to be like, I need to make sure that I don't fuck this off. Do you know how to change a tire? I think if you gave it to me,

I think I could do it. I think that's so confident. I know, like, I think it's the kind of thing where like if I was with like a friend of mine who was shitting themselves, I would lie about it and be like, yeah, I know what I'm doing. Because I'm always that guy. Whenever someone is like freaking out,

I'm like, yeah, of course I know what I'm doing. And I'm like, no, I don't know what I'm doing. And I'm like, no, I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know the details, but I know like the basic steps. I'm like WikiHow. You don't want this to happen with me that. Yeah, but I think I could wing it. No, no, no, because the thing is, the thing is,

I had to be that guy. So I'm explaining it, I'm explaining my... Because Sidney's like, she's like, I don't know what to do. Yeah, I'm explaining my internal thoughts because what happens is we break down. We break down in the middle of the road. And Sidney's like, oh, what do we do? I'm like, don't worry, Sidney, I got it. Let me check, let me check what's going on.

I get out of the car. I walk around. And I'm like, it's broken. I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm just acting like I do so. Sydney doesn't fucking panic because we're in a country we don't live in. We know we don't nobody here.

So I'm like, oh, let me let me just check the engine. Let me just check the water. I have no idea what that means. You're basically just staring at the engine for 20 seconds. Like I think, I know. I literally open up the hood and I'm like, when I was with my dad, he would always check the water. So that's what I'm going to do.

I don't know what that really means. I'm just gonna check the water level and then I've opened up the hood. I checked the water level and I just start Googling shit. I was just like making the shit out as I went on. Yeah, I mean I think there's a lot of information

that we aren't taught because everyone just, I think, assumes that you'll be able to figure it out. Yeah. Like I think that stuff like that is like that. Also I think that like the fact that, at least in the UK and I think the US and whatever, I think they don't teach you anything

about how to be responsible with your money. This is the one that always comes up, right? Taxes and all that. The fact that we aren't taught any of that is wild to me. Yeah, oh yeah. Because I'm like, that is some shit we all have to deal with. And it fucks you in the ass if you don't do it right.

You get fucked for life, you fuck up those bills. I never knew how to do my taxes or get a fucking mortgage or like any of that shit. No, I don't know any of those shit. Yeah, I wish someone taught me that shit. Yeah, I wish someone told me that shit. Now I'm flailing around like an idiot. You should be taught.

Yeah. It's not like Google. Like that we definitely. We definitely need to be taught like, hey, just because credit cards say they give you money, there's a lot of bad things that could happen if you fuck it up, so maybe don't use the credit card. Yeah.

You really really think you can handle it. Like, that was never taught to me. I didn't even know what the difference you know credit card and the debit card was till I was like, like 19 or 20. And I'm like, I've been using this for two years. I still don't know what the fuck it is. If something breaks in your house,

do you know who to call? Yeah, if my dad. I think I legit would be like, hey dad, you think it's just like a serious thing or a thing I should fix? Yeah. I assume that. Where do you think our dad's learn it from?

Do you think they're just making this shit up as, because I don't feel like they are. I like to think that every time some shit breaks down in my house and I call my dad and I'm like, yeah, dad, so I got this problem. He's googling it. He's like, yeah, hold on son, let me check. He just opens his phone and looks it up. Because I've never asked my dad who taught him.

But all I know is that he never taught me. Or at least he never taught me all the intricacies and everything that he knows, you know. So I'm like, what the fuck did he learn it from? I was just, they weren't wasting their damn time learning these liberal arts courses. They were learning and had to ride trucks in and I. Yeah, because, you know, when I eventually have as a kid,

whether it's a son or daughter, I'm sure they're gonna ask me about stuff, right? You're gonna reach that point in your life where your kid's gonna ask you Your kid's gonna ask you about stuff and you're gonna have to pretend like you know what the fuck's going on. Well, it's like, maybe the kid will be like, hey dad, how do you install the server

or something to this thing? You'll be like, well, he's gonna be like, how the fuck does my dad know how to do this? It's like, well, you just had to learn it when you were then, like, right? I think that's just like, we had to just learn everything about the internet and then using it.

I'm sure to our, whatever the kids that come along, they'll be like, how the fuck do they know all this stuff? Yeah, sure. You know, I'm sure, How do they use the sponsor today's video, especially if it's actually sponsored? How do they make a click-bait title? How do they just know that?

I'm sure it's like something that we, you just grow up learning and then it seems like crazy because they had like 40 years worth of knowledge that occasionally comes in handy. Right. Who taught you guys how to shave? I knew you're gonna ask this. I had a feeling about this.

I had the sixth sense that you're gonna bring it. Okay, was it? Okay. I taught myself. Really? My dad told me. And I fucked it up for a very long time. My dad told me and I fucked it up. Okay, so your dad told me.

told you. Yeah. Did you have to like ask him, father, teach me out of shave? Was there like a, was there like a day where your dad came to you? My dad just said, your face looks like a toothbrush. Let's fucking get rid of that shit. And then he was like, he took me to the bathroom sink and he was like, all right, I'm going to teach you how to have a shave. Oh, that's awesome. And then he was like, all right, bring a roll of toilet paper because you're probably going to cut yourself multiple times, which I did. Yes. And then and then after maybe he was with me, you know, to make sure I was like doing it correctly, maybe like two or three times. And then at one point I was like, yeah, I got it. Figured it out. So like, we forced it. I'm gonna figure this shit out.

I still don't think I've perfectly figured this out because I guess like when you like, I had to go to my dad to ask him. I was like, hey dad, how do you shave? And he never looked like more happy and excited that he's just like, oh, oh, I get a father son moment. He taught me, I'm sorry he's calling you out,

call you out for this dad, but he taught me that, okay, yeah, I mean, you can't use shaving cream, uh, so it's fine as well. And so, and so for my entire life, I've just like never, and you guys figured this out when I was shaving when we were like on holiday, but I've never, like, you shaving cream for most of my life. I've just used, I've just used shower.

And the fact that you- That's-fucked. And the fact that your skin is like impeccable is just like not fair. Hey man, maybe my dad was onto something. I don't know. I know in desperate situations, I've used conditioner. What? Yeah, conditioner works as well.

Really? Because it's just about having like, I think it's like a, just a barrier, right? You just need something in the way that's smooth and that you can still shave through. If I don't have the option, then I just don't shave. I'm just like, I'll wait until I'm actually. Yeah, but I look homeless if I don't sometimes. I look homeless with or without it. So it doesn't really matter for me.

I have this weird hypothetical. Okay. Okay. And this is something I've been thinking about all week because I've been playing Final Fantasy 16. Hell yeah. Right. I knew you gonna bring that.

Great fucking game, right? But one thing I noticed while playing Final Fantasy 16, right, is that like, so to explain to you, oh no, you've played the demo, right? I played four hours of it. Yeah, so you know that it's like kind of gone back to the whole like medieval setting, right? Of like, you know, kind of the Renaissancee type of setting.

Yeah, just brilliant. Yeah, just basically bring in 16 hours. Everyone's fucking British. Yeah, they are. I love it. But like one thing, right, that I thought about while playing 16, right, is that like, When you go to like a random village,

and this is not just in Final Fantasy, this is like in any RPG that's set in like the old British setting, right? And you go to like a random-ass village. And there's the village elder, right? Who's like usually like pretty senile, you know, like maybe like 70, 80, sometimes 90 years old, right? And I kept thinking to myself, I'm like,

where did that stereotype come from? Because it was like an actual thing? But was it an actual thing? Yeah, it was an actual thing. Because like I find that hard to believe, Because it's like, Wait, why? Because-

But that old people existed? No, that, I find that, okay, here's the reason why, so here's the question I had, right? Are you asking why is that one's old guy that is the old guy? Yeah. Because people died. But that's the thing, right? It's like, that's why I find it. People didn't make it to like, serve, certain-

But that's why, it's like, is it even possible to get to that point? Or to be old? Like, no, like living during those times. Well, it was obviously rare, but- Because the average age was like, fucking. 40. Yeah, but like people still live till like 70, pretty often.

You think so? Yeah, pretty often. I think you just answered your own question. Why it's a stereotype because, you know, of course, if you live to like something, you're like, yo. I just find that hard to believe. Especially in like, you know,

maybe at a village of 100 people. Yeah. You know, odds are people would, I spend, I mean, what age, what period are we talking of time? Like, let's say, like, let's go back to like 1300s. Yeah, I mean, odds up, people weren't, like, what was the, can you Google what the average age?

Yeah, yeah. Because like, during the dark ages, the average age was probably like 30. No, it was like 40. Okay, not much better. But that was mainly because of like child mortality as well. Right. Infant mortality was huge. Yeah, but even like, you know, the whole like fact of like, you know, the, you know,

medical practices weren't up to what they are now, obviously. And like obviously hygiene was less of a thing. It's like how you sometimes see old people now who will go to like seven years old with zero like ever going, ever going to get a hospital. Yeah, but that must have been insane. Like if you were living in the 1300s, that's why they were the village elder and everyone fucking listened to them. And there was like, if you were in the 13,

like dark ages in Europe and you just went to a random village and you saw like an 80 year old, that's like the equivalent to seeing like 120 year old today. No, no, no. I would think. Well, I mean, it was like rare, but I mean, it wasn't that rare, but it's like, you know, someone who had been around,

who'd been in the position where they had been in a lot of power who was still alive. Yeah. Obviously they would become someone who's respected. Yeah, I mean, at that point, everyone would be like, I mean, he's fucking alive. He must be doing something, right? Why did Final Fantasy make you think of this?

Because I was just thinking about- You have the average age? 33. Yeah, see? 33. It's young. I mean, every, they were having a war, there was always a war going on. Exactly.

People were dying. So it was like, how the fuck did the older survive? Um, well, I mean, there was, I mean, I don't fucking know. I don't know the exact answer, but obvious people were still, just because the average age is 33, doesn't mean people couldn't get to say. No, no, no. but it must have been like incredibly rare.

Yeah, I mean, I think you would be the village elder at like 60 at that point. Yeah, even 55. Yeah, you'd probably be the village elder. Yeah, but in all video games, they're always like fucking 90 plus. Oh, they probably just like the modern view of looking at an old man.

Also, they might just look that way because they're British, you know? Yeah, we also like. Well, it's like the concept of like, why do people look older in older media? Like someone who's 16 in like an 80s felt, looks like 25 to us. Yeah. Is that like that?

That is a thing. Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever noticed that? Watch a movie in the 80s. Yeah. And everyone in high school, oh, like, sorry, well, I understand, not a movie, sorry. Like look at a yearbook of like the 80s. It's like a generic yearbook. People will just look old.

But even movies as well, like if you go back and watch like a James Dean movie, right? Like that dude died when he was like, what, 23, 24, something like that. But you look at it and you don't think to yourself, that's a 20-year-old in that movie. That's like he looks older than, I can believe he's 20, but he just looks older to me

for some reason. I remember V-Sourced the whole video. Yeah, yeah, I just pulled up a yearbook from 1980s America. Look how old these people look. These are high school students. See, they look like in their 20s or 30s. Yeah, they like, yeah, someone look older shit.

Yeah. It's like, why is that? Have you ever seen your parents' pictures when they were younger? Yeah, it's weird. Dude, do you ever get this thing where your parents tell you a story, about some shit they got up to when they were kids

with your age and shit. And it just doesn't seem real. And it almost seems like they're like reciting a movie or something when, when, like. I mean, it's gonna be even worse for our kids. It's like, so I was just online meme and harambe. You know what I mean? Right, you know, right?

And I pull my dick out. Yeah, but here's like the difference, you know, when our kids get to our age, at least for us, they're gonna have like, there's gonna be a generation of kids that can see like video, and photo proof of all of the shit and all the stupid shit

that their parents got up to when they were like their age. But for me, for our generation, we have like one or two photos that our parents stick at high school or something like that. And the rest is all anecdotal, right? Yeah, so when my aunt tells me,

you know what your mom got up to when she was 18? And let me tell you what happened at this like one... She blew up this building. It was insane. Let me tell me this about some antics she got up to that.

There's one bar. And I'm just like, that didn't happen. There's no fuck. There is no way my mother did that. You know, there is no way. My mother, unhinged. My mother, getting blackout drunk. No, that doesn't happen.

And then, you know, you hear these stories, and it just, like, it almost just doesn't feel real to you because there's no, like, grounded evidence to, like, prove it in your mind. See, it makes sense for your parents because I look at your parents now and they're, like, so well-behaved and so, like, you know, on point.

When I hear my parents talk about their, like, the shit they got up to when they're, they were young, I look at them now, and I'm like, yeah, I can see that. Well, they also got to be on time. I mean, the parents will never tell you the really wild stuff they might have done. No, of course not.

Because they're afraid probably that'd be like, oh, well, you know, since I did it when I was young, then it gives you an excuse to win you're young, and I don't want my child to do that. There might be some parents I like that. I'm asking you next time. That's like conversation you have when you're like 40, they're like really old and you'd be like, all right,

you're going soon. Tell me all the fucked up shit. I'll start. Spill the tea. You have got four years left tops, tell me. I think I'm actually slowly starting to reach, like, that age though, because I've slowly been kind of like being drip-fed tea, like here and there from like various family members to be like, wait,

Auntie did what when she was younger? Uncle was like this, and yeah, it's slowly getting to that point for me at least. I don't think I've, I don't think I have the entire tea kind of, I have like a little, there are a few, few little drops of tea of like, crumbs. Yeah, a few little crumbs of tea of like what's, what's going on. I'm just wondering, how do you think our kids are gonna react

when they see this dumb shit we've done on YouTube and stuff like that? It must be weird. I'm never showing my child my YouTube channel. They're gonna find it, Joey. Joe, he's gonna find it. No, I'm deleting that shit before. No, he's gonna find it.

Seventh, actually. Oh shit, yeah, it's sick. It doesn't go down. It doesn't go down. The accumulation of businges. I'm gonna break them all, I'm going back to the fear. That would be hype as far. Like I start the lineage at my son being four

and that puts so much pressure on the first. Yeah, yeah. He's like, all right, you have to deliver. Do you sound crazy. You got, you got, we got four generations to figure the shit out. Yeah, we should go back. I think this is more interesting.

Go back. Yeah, we literally put a timer on it. You're like, you better do something fucking cool. You're the first. I think it would be pretty hype though. I would be pretty hype if I discovered, like let's say Facebook existed back in the time. Like if I just,

discovered a long-loss Facebook of my mom when she was like in university to be like, oh, these are all your drunk photos and all the shit you were getting up to? Okay. I think at that point you'd have to like lock your socials up to a point to your kids are old enough to be like, all right.

You have, you're ready to see what your father was really like. You are ready to see what your father was like. Your father was a mess. Yeah, really to see how much of a fucking idiot your dad was. It would be weird when we get to the point in social media when there's like multiple generations, gone by.

Like I'm doing like 200 years away. And you're like, I wonder what they were up to 200 years ago. You can just see pictures of people getting smashed 200 years ago at a school party. It's like, that's gonna be so fucking wild. You can just tap into that. Yeah. Do you know anything about like your great grandparents?

I don't know shit. Great grandparent? No. No, nothing at all. Because I've heard like just like one or two stories, but yeah, it would be super interesting just to see you get to a point in social media where you can see what your ancestors got up to

got up to be like. That'd be hype as far. That would actually. The family trees will no longer be more mysteries. All those TV shows about hunting down the family tree will be so less interesting. Yeah, so actually we found your great grandmother on Facebook.

She was kind of cringe. She posted a review of the emoji movie saying it, not bad. So all of all, I don't know how you came to be. Yeah, your granddad was saying some sauce things on Twitter. Yeah, your granddad was in Q&On. Don't worry about what that is. Your granddad was liking anime,

anime ludes, like it's fucking weird, bro. It's gonna be really weird. I could see where you get it in your bloodline, I do. We've stamed it back to this moment. Yeah, to think there'll be services in like 100 years that'll be like, hey, we can track down your family tree of social media. Yeah. We can find your great, great granddad's Facebook.

Yeah. Maybe. Unless they just start deleting it. Yeah. I don't know. That'll be interesting. Speaking of- creepy as fuck. Speaking of fine fancy though, what do you think of it? Uh, it's good. Definitely better than 15, that's for sure.

It's most certainly a game that you would not enjoy. Well, I enjoyed the first two hours, and then I did another stream playing it for two hours that was sponsored, and it was fine, but I don't know if I'm gonna continue. I wanna play the other Final Fantasy's first. Yeah, I mean, I know you finished eight. I think when I went into it, I liked the fast-paced combat.

We played eight. I like the eight, yeah. I like the part of me as much like, like, hey, turn-based combat. It's kind of nice sometimes. Really? You should play 10 next. I hate it in modern games

because I feel like it's outdated. Yeah. Excessant in Pokemon where it just feels like it works. So do you want to go back to like the first couple of Final Fantasy? Yeah, I'm gonna play some of them earlier ones. Play six.

Everyone says six. Yeah, but I feel like six I should play and I've played some of the other ones. Because everyone says and all the Final Fantasy staff are like six is the accumulation of the perfect Final Fantasy. It is.

And I'm like, okay, well, I'll save that then. I don't want that right away. Okay. Because then I can never play like four or five. Yeah. Then maybe play like, yeah, probably play four first then. If you play the old ones. The S&S ones seem tough to get into.

They seem like it's like more like a slog. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, they can't be. What didn't draw you in about this Final Fancy? Fun Fancy 16? It's on paper, I'm like, this is very much. I mean, it's not that I didn't draw me in. It's just I think that it's a lot.

And I was like, I also, I think, well, I don't even know what I can say I was sponsored by them. I don't want to get pissed off. Okay. Sometimes I did feel like it was like, I could put my controller down, and then I, when I had to pick it back up,

I was like, oh shit, it's a game. Yeah, that was like, I was like, oh, fuck. No, because, yeah, because they, the, the producer said. 17 hours of cut scenes. Yeah, I know, I love it. That's an hinge. Now I understand why. The producer actually said before the game came out,

that this was supposedly the most cinematic. It is, yeah. I almost, they weren't lying. I almost like wish, and I know that there was an easy story, but like there was a version of it that was just like a 17 hour show. Yeah. Yeah. That like didn't require you to put any input because I actually like I found myself getting really into the cut scenes and then I was like, oh shit, I got to play. And it was fun. It was great. But it was like, it was like, it was like, it was just getting confused with the fact that I was like, oh yeah, I got to keep playing the game. It's an actual game. Yeah. It's really interesting. It was very interesting. So I think that it's it's for me it I think it'll lend itself well and history.

as being a great in-between point for the series. Yes, yeah. I think it'll lead to like 17 being, like, figuring out a formula that really works, but I don't know if having that many cutscenes is good for a game. I'm torn as well, because even me, I fucking love the cutscenes, I love story.

The voice-sides are so good. It's so surreal just seeing like a JRP without, like, let's say the typical anime-esque voice actors and just saying like, do you mean Xenar Blade? Yes. Yes, Joey, or any JRP. Oh, you're doing, mate.

Just go and get the fucking blood show. Yeah. And hearing actual British voice actors, but there are like some moments in the game where I like the gameplay and I really, really like the story. I don't know if it wants to be a game or a movie. They made the cutscenes too damn good.

Yeah, they did. To the point where it's like, damn, that's like I'm so hype for the cutscenes that when I go in the gameplay, yeah, like I said, like it's like, oh shit, okay. Yeah. But I want more of the cutscenes. Yeah.

It's weird because like I really, really, for example, like Middle Gear Solid, right? The Middegar Solid series who, those cut scenes were so long that I could just put my controller down and just zone out for like 30 minutes. I was like, I'm fine with that. I'm totally fine on that.

It's so weird with Final Fantasy because the cut scenes are short enough that I still have to pay attention about the controller, but it's long enough that it kind of like breaks the flow of like the gameplay. I think the one issue I have with 16 is that like, I don't mind cutscenes in my video games as long as you're telling, you know,

as long as it's for a purpose and, you know, the narrative is good, which so far with 16 is been great. But I think my problem with 16 right now is that like, the, I guess the switching between cutscene and playable part of the game is so, like, constant. Yeah. Where it's like, you know, there'd be moments where it's like, okay, you get out of a, you enter a village,

there's a cut scene that, like, explains the village and the main quest, and then you walk for 15 seconds, and then another cutscene plays. And then you walk another 15 seconds and then another cutscene place where it's like, I think I would just prefer it where it's like, just give me one long cut scene and then one long gaming session

and then I'll be good. I also like it, but I don't know how to feel about it. I like the active law button. Yeah, I can just, you're like, I don't know what the fuck is going on in the story. Let me hold down this button. And then it brings up a menu that you can, you can move your like cursor over it

and it'll tell you about what this concept is or what this faction is You have to be careful with that, because I heard. It's balls some stuff. Yeah, I've heard from people, like, especially near, like, the last 10% of the game,

that part just straight up has spoil, isn't it? I believe it. Yeah, I mean, I've been trying to avoid as much possible. I mean, I think it's a game changer, because especially at the beginning, where they just introduce you to all these, all of these, like, countries and people and, and, uh, characters.

And I'm like, I can't remember who the fuck this is, yeah, and then there's time skips and stuff. And you're like, okay, this is, it's like being thrown into Game of Thrones at like, like, well, I mean, actually, actually being Thurons, Game of Thrones, because you're just like, what the hell is happening?

But in Game of Thrones, you have the time to go through all of it. And I feel like they may be, you know, maybe the story tells a little bit more, they introduce things a little bit better. In front of finally, the one thing I did with the new one I found to struggle with was that there was,

there was too much stuff that I was trying to keep track of and I didn't quite understand. And that's why the active Law Button felt necessary whereas I feel like it shouldn't be necessary, but a nice little thing if I want to refresh. Yeah. But a lot of the time I found myself

having to do it. I think the active law thing though is definitely a good step and direction of like explaining law within the story. Without having these like bullshit pages Yeah, without having to like go to system and like going to like the log

and shit to be like who's like a fucking drop-down menu of everything, you know, where it's like. Actually, I'm actually that guy. Fuck's sake. Why? Okay, so. Why do you hate yourself? When well, because I was genuine like, when I, one, one reason is I fucking love Final Fantasy 16 is because like the world genuinely,

genuinely, It's great. It's fucking great. And I just wanted to be immersed. So as soon as like there's a character in like your hideout that basically has like, is the law keeper and that like has all of the Wiki articles. And I literally just wasted, I think in like an hour and a half

when that opened up just like reading, just like the law. Yeah. Reading everything just so I can just immerse myself in what was going on. I think my biggest problem with it so far, I'm about like 20 hours in at the time recording. There just hasn't been a character that I have really- Yeah, yeah, normally in a JRP,

I fall in love with the cast and the dynamics and, you know, just spending time with these characters, but so far there just hasn't been, like, the characters haven't called out to me yet. I mean, I did have one, but he didn't last long. Yeah, I mean, without giving spoilers. I just feel like there hasn't been enough, let's say, like the main story, I feel like the biggest weakness

of Final Fantasy has actually been so far the side quests. Because side quests, yeah, the side quests for this one are a little bit boring. Yeah, the side quest for me, in like, especially in JRP's, is a great way to just ignore the story, ignore the main story for a bit, and just flesh out these characters hanging out together.

Yeah. And just exploring like and expanding the world, giving you the opportunity to learn about the world and the characters organically. And all of the side quests so far has just been fetch quest. And there's been no- Pick up dirt. Yeah, pick up dirt, go find this person.

Oh no, it's the Assessons Creed style. Yeah, it is. Kill pig or kill these dragons. Kill five crabs. And it's just like, I don't get anything more from doing these side quests than if I had not done it. So it's just been like the main story for me.

And the main story is great, but the main story so far has not given me enough time with these characters, enough banter, enough, just, natural chemistry for me to like get attached to like the whole cast and I don't know if that's gonna change. I hope it does. Uh, but that's like my biggest gripe with Final Fantasy 60s. How many Final Fantasy games are you played? Uh, I have finished zero Final Fantasy games. I've played a lot. I've played a lot. How many have you played and not finished?

Uh, seven, eight, nine. That's gotta be a crime. That is, I'm crying. Uh, hearing this. Yes. I think I got, I think, yeah, ten, I've started FF7 remake. I haven't finished that. You have to see through the hand. You have a problem. You realize that, right? Finish a goddamn game.

Fuck sake, bro. I just, I don't know. Are you gonna finish 16? I think I am. I think I, because I'm not counting on it. I'm not counting on it. The biggest thing that gets me to stop play. Bro, bro, read like 1,000 chapters of one piece

and thought, I'm done. I mean, the biggest thing that has stopped me from finishing it is turn-based combat. And, uh, because I just get bored. I get bored doing turn-based combat. And, you know, especially in the older games, you have to spend a lot of hours grinding out the turn-based combat.

And then I just got, I just get to a point where I get bored and I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna take a break from the game. Take a break and then never come back. And with 16, because I've really fucking liked the gameplay, I will probably like stick through it. It's probably given me a first, fun, fancy game I finish. So I've been more Final Fantasy games than you. That's so funny.

That's so funny. I mean, yeah, I think that's just how we consume games differently. I like to binge. I like to just destroy a game in one go and be like, I'm done. Yeah. And I feel satisfied that way because before I even get a chance to be like, I'm bored of this, I'm done. Yeah, I can only play like eight hours maximum in a day

before my mind turns into like mush. And I just like, I need to like step away from it. Like, mine turned so much at like 14 hours in. Right. But then I can keep going. I can keep going, but it doesn't feel good. For me, it depends on the game. Like I could, there could be some games

where I'm like, this is just like a couple of hours type of thing and then I gotta wait, I gotta, you know, save it for tomorrow. And then there's games like 13 Centennels where it's like, if I spend any time away from this game, I'm going to forget everything about this law. Because it's so fucking confusing. I need to not.

I binge that game in three days, bro. It's a 30-hour game. And I bet you remember nothing about it. No, I remember a decent amount of it. Only because like for those three days, I just, only because for those three days, it's all I was fucking thinking about.

Yeah. And it's a fucking fantastic story. It's great, it's great. Yeah. There's just a lot. I needed a day to process some of the, like, plot twist in that game. Are you the type of motherfucker in 13 Sentinels that went to like the encyclopedia section? Of course I did, man, of course. That is literally like the, when you described doing that to me, I'm like,

I'm like, that's like, just being like, you know, I just enjoy castration. It's just fun. Okay, no, okay. It's like, I can't imagine anything more fucking unfun in my life than opening up an encyclopedia. I have to read. Ew.

Because there's, okay, I like, I'm that motherfucker. Okay, I'm that motherfucker. If there is a, like, let's say a TV series that I really, really fucking enjoy. I'm that motherfucker who's like, I will watch like an hour YouTube video, breaking down the lore of shit that happened before the story take, like,

took place, you know. I love, if I'm like emotionally invested in something, I want to know as much of the world as possible because it just helps immerse me in the story that's being told. See, I feel though that only becomes gratifying when you make it to the end. What do you mean?

Yeah, you gotta finish the goddamn. You gotta finish the, if you're, you're so focused on finding out like, what happened to these characters and this world and the setting before the game took place, but you never see. see it to the end. No, no.

Like, you don't care about how it resolved? A percentage of the, like, in these games did you drop out? We didn't like 10% in, 50% in. What do you mean? Like, with the Final Fantasy games, like, how far in were you before you dropped it? About 50% I think. Fuck it out. That's crazy.

That's crazy. To be fair, to be fair, I didn't so far drop it. I just never finished it. No, no, you dropped. Bro, yeah, Hunter, Hunter. It's definitely not dropped. For me, for my, my rule of thumb is, if I'm not invested in the game by around 20, 30% of the way through,

I don't see it to the end. I feel 20, 30% is like a kind of a good time to get a good indication of like, is this game even worth finishing? I mean, to me, it's like hours. It's like, if I'm not hooked an hour and 30 minutes here, I'm done. Right.

An hour and 30 minutes is like 10% of the tutorial in like JRP's. No, I know, which is why we struggle because it's like, I just don't know if this is worth investing and I'm not interested in spending 10 hours figuring out if I should be invested. No, for me, it takes me like minimum 10 hours for JLP

to be like, am I invested enough in the story? Yeah, that's what sucked though. Because when I played eight, I wouldn't have, there's no sure I would have stuck with it if I spent an hour playing it. Because I was like, yeah. You don't know anything in this. This game, every, I think every Final Fantasy does this.

They just throw a bunch of menuing at you. They're like, oh, this is this, this is this. You're like, this is a ridiculous amount of information to ask someone to take in and just through like explanations. And it's like, not a lot of the things None of this makes fucking sense. And it's like, you guys are insane for thinking

that someone would sit 10 hours through this to do it, and people do obviously, but I'm like, it's fucked that they design a game that is just not fun for 10 hours. And then you're like, okay, but now it's great. Fun is subjective. Yeah, fun is subjective. I find it fun learning new mechanics.

I mean, yeah. I found it fun when I got the hang of it, but it's crazy, I mentioned this in why we played initially, but like it's crazy that I felt like I got the hang of it like 20 hours in. That's insane. Did you enjoy the story of eight? Yeah, yeah, I did.

Yeah, I liked it a lot. Yeah. I thought it was fun. Okay. I thought it was okay. What's the general consensus of the story of seven? Isn't it like the, it's the best one? It's great.

It's great. Yeah, I don't think it's the best Final Fantasy, in my opinion, but I think it's a very, very solid entry. I thought Seproff was like the villain in all of them. No. And I realized he was only in seven because, but then for some reason he was just the poster boy for Final Fantasy villains. Yes, because, so a lot of people, seven was their first Final Fantasy because it was the first 3D Final Fantasy.

Yeah, I was, I'm having like, fucking Roblox-ass characters. Yeah, it's, with their egg beater hands. Yeah, it's like, I just have this, I have this fucking ingrained in my head and I can't stop thinking about it, and I've been thinking about it, the entire conversation we've been talking about it.

She's this TikTok of someone with like Zephroff hair, like dancing, and it's like, Zeproff when he like kills your entire family. It's him like twerking and like flailing his hair around. I'm like, I can't stop thinking about this. But that's why I'm so glad seven got the remake because like it is in my, in my opinion, the original seven is like close to

unplayable because it's just, because it's got a great fucking story and the combat system is great, but I just can't get over the graphics now. I actually am having huge fucking, huge fucking trouble playing through the remake. Really? Yeah. I think the remakes fucking fantastic. Because like, I remember playing Final Fantasy seven

when I was a kid, I don't remember fuck, I remember, all I know about it is that there's like, they go to like a strip club or something. Yeah, so I know about it. Yeah. That's all I know about it. Yeah, they do. But like, I think I'm like noticing about him

because like, I don't know, I'm playing to the remake. I'm about like 10, 12 hours in right now. Is it like it's gonna be three games as well? Three games. That's fucked. When do you start liking the characters? I'm just gonna be straight up, Matt. I'm just gonna be straight up.

I love that. I love that. When do you start liking the characters? Well, I feel for a lot of people, there's a nostalgia factor playing the remakes, right? Like, at least for me, I had it, like, you know, When I saw like, you know, you know, when fucking, you know, when you first see Cloud and everything, you're like,

there's that motherfucker. There's that motherfucker I've already spent hundreds of hours with. So far, Cloudstimely, like, has got as much characterization as your general Isikae protagonist. Oh. I'm like, when does Cloud become interesting? I can't believe Cloud Stripe copied from Kirito. Wow, the absolute audacity of Square Inix to do that.

And like, like, Tifa so far has just been. The childhood friend. Hey, don't bad mouth Tiva. She's my fucking wife, right? Why is she everyone's wife? Actually, no, Ufi. I like, but like Yufi's my friend. I don't think Ufi's been introduced yet,

but like the only motherfucker- Wait till Yufi comes. The only motherfucker I like so far is Barrett, and I'm just like. Yeah, but everyone likes Barrett. I'm just, okay, because it seems like he has a personality. He's like Jet from Calvoi Beavit,

it's like you just automatically love him. He is, I don't know, and I'm just like, because I remember going into this being like, this is the classic. Everyone loves this Final Fantasy. Yeah, man. This is gonna be a banger. I love JRP's and I'm just like,

when do the characters get interesting? I'm, I'm waiting, I'm 10 hours in. Normally I'm hooked now on the JRP. Just wait till you if he comes out and you'll be hooked. I can't stop thinking about Sephroff twerking. I'm listening to you talk and it's all I think about. I don't know why. It's just like, I know it's like a super serious story as well

and I'm just imagining him twerking. And if I play the game, I'm all gonna be able to think about is that. Yeah, but Sephora doesn't come out until way, way, way later. Okay, generally though, what draws you to like Cloud and Tifa? Um, I think because I've played all the other Final Fantasy and I've played a lot of JRPs that would just like,

had the most unlikable cast of characters. Why didn't you come to JLPG man? I already am. Why didn't you choose that name? Because it's shit. Not good ASIO. Yeah, I guess, yeah. And yeah, and then I'll get to the point

where I'll just start playing like, J-R-Page's guys. Yeah, I'm only playing cold a dude. Yeah, I'm only playing first-person shooter, isn't it? I think it's because, like, look, it's, in my opinion, like, you know, like, Cloud and Tifa and, like, that whole gang is, like, they're, I think there are solid cast of characters. I'm not going to say they're the best cast of characters. Who is the best cast of characters in Final Fantasy game?

In a Final Fantasy game? We were the best cast. JRP's. I think I, because I come into this, I come into Final Fantasy 7 after playing so many of my favorite JRP's. Yeah. And with the. critical claim that I had, I was expecting more, I guess. Yeah. From the characters.

Okay. One game that I've always wanted to play, and I'll say this, because I'm just gonna forget it if I don't say it right now. Yeah. One JRPG that I've always been interested in, and everyone always talks about is like the one of the best ever is like Chrono Trigger. Yes. Always one of the play there, because it looks fun. Okay, you asked me what the best cast of characters in JRP is.

I probably say Chrono Trigger. Okay, Chrono Trigger did something, like, not only, like, what was amazing about that game, like for one, one of the best game soundtracks ever made, in my opinion. Two, it's just like a really interesting concept of not only combat concepts back in the day, because like back when Chronotrya came out, that it's not turn-based anymore.

It's like, it's not your like average Final Fantasy turn-based. It's like turn-based with a mix of real time. Yeah, yeah. Right? And that was like unheard of when that came out. So that was already amazing. And then just the fucking story is... I've heard the story's amazing. So good.

Which I really want to play it. Yeah, it's an incredible game. You should definitely play it. Yeah. Like playing through Final Fantasy 16 now, I'm gonna play Chronic Tree again now. Yeah. Is there a second one?

There is on like PS1, right? Or something? Oh, yeah. That's something, which is something different. Yeah. Like playing through Final Fantasy 60 now, because I looked up the completion time of Final Fantasy 16 and it's like, you know,

some people complete in like 35 hours, which is- skip cartoons. Yeah, probably. Which to me is like, seems like incredibly short for a day. But it's not the standard completion time of Final Fantasy games. No, it's more like 50, 60 hours.

Yeah. I thought most of them were like, because I've been, obviously been looking which one to play next. Most of them have been clocking in at like 35. Really? Yeah, I mean, name one, I'll just have a look right now. Six.

All right, all right, time. Because I remember, maybe I was just like a dumb-ass kid trying to figure this shit out, but like, I remember, first time I'd be Final Fantasy six. Yeah, 35 hours. Name another one, name another one. Dude, I spent like 80 hours in that game. Are you serious?

Yeah. 10, okay, wow, 46 hours. Yeah, 10 is long. Geez, okay, what about, uh, 13. What does it feel a lot longer? Nine is 39. It feels way longer. Wait, look up 13 Sentinels.

How long does that take? It took me like, that took me like, that took me 30 hours. I literally use this website for everything. Cause I'm like, when I'm streaming, I gotta know how to longer, like, because I am the average gamer, if not better than the average gamer

at most games. That's like what I would clock in at. And then streaming kind of slows it down. So I'm normally around the video. Okay, time to be, Corona Trino. I think I beat it in like 50, 60 hours. Uh, when folks on the main objectives, 23 hours,

but if you were trying to do 100%, 42 hours. Can you search up? I might have just accidentally done 100% then. Can you search up persona 5? Yeah, Serna. Cause that is a long J-R-FGG. That's a long game. That is.

No, shot. What? 100 hours. Yeah, that's about right. Yeah, that checks out. Yeah, 173 hours to 100%. Check out. Yeah.

So I think these are like, what, what this, I think how this website works is that people play the game, and it's like a community thing. Shout out to the people. They submit it. Shout out to the people who submit the thing because you are doing it.

You are helping so much. Yeah. So I think that's on average. So that means that if you're a fast gamer, it could be 90, but a lot of people, it could be like 100. Oh, first time it was person to 5 for me and I definitely took more than 100 hours.

Yeah, I took more than 100. It's also interesting seeing how on the different platforms of changes sometimes. People who played on like PC can emulate so they can speed it up. Oh, sure. What's the longest? What is the longest?

I feel like it's 10. 10, probably. Really? Yeah, or maybe one of the 13 games? Uh, I mean, 14. 11, apparent. No, wait. 11? 11's the MMO. Okay, that's, well, that's, well, that's,

11 and 14 don't count. Okay, then 14 a second. Yeah. 12 is 60 hours, apparently. Oh, Zodiac age, yeah. Yeah, I can see that, that was pretty long. But then again, for me, it's- Chronic trigger a clock at 20 sounds great. That's something like 20 hours to complete a main story

for a JRP, that sounds so nice and digestible. and easy to get into. It's hard as shit though. If it's like a good game, like I said, I want to be immersed in much possible. You asked me why I read law and why I read Wiki articles. It's because like, to me like good world building,

the world should exist, even if the story isn't being told. Just imagining like, God, reading the law while Saffroffroff's twerking, ending the world. I was like, oh, oh, no, oh, and Zepro's like, yeah, that's actually, that's a canon event actually. Sorry, I'm so sorry for interrupting you.

Yeah, like, Like to me, like a good world should exist even if the main story being told didn't exist. The world should still function. And to me, just like the world existing to me is almost even sometimes more interesting than the story being told by whatever it is. That's how aliens feel when they saw like World War II going on.

They were like, I just wanna know what the world's doing. But I have no, I have no interest in getting involved. I want to know the background lore is behind World War II. I was an alien. That sounds pretty interesting actually. Aliens watching has been like, you know they were arguing about toilet paper before this. Fascinating stuff, truly.

But in the meantime, thank you so much for watching the podcast that is named Trash Taste that we three are the host of Joey say the thing. Hey, look at these patrons. And let us know in the comments what JRPG Conner should play next. What is the best Final Fantasy? Let us know down below.

If you're a real one, you'll tell us. Yeah, if you're a real one, you'll say six. No, if you're a real one, you'll say six. the one that I like the most. Which should be six. Also, since I know I'm gonna piss off a lot of Final Fantasy seven fans, please, tell me, tell me why-

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