Trash Taste Podcast - You NEED to Stop Skipping Anime Movies | Trash Taste #284

Episode Date: November 28, 2025

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All right, anyway. Anyway. Hey, welcome back to another episode of Trash Tase. I'm Joey and I'm with the boys, Connor and gone. As per usual. Gondra shows the weirdest thing. Yeah, you'll see it on Patreon. I've been going through my art snob phase now where I'm like watching all the anime short film.

Since Joey, you know, I'm a, I'm a filmmaker now. So I must. This is like where Joey, Joey got the CEO title. Is that fucking thing? You have to scope out the competition now. I'm unemployed. Yeah, been watching a lot of anime short films recently. Unfortunately, not been watching a lot of what's coming out.

Was it you who asked me, gone, what good anime's coming out of this season? I was like, haven't even started the season yet. Oh, really? Yeah. We're already like, what, two weeks in? Three weeks in? To the new season, I think. I did watch the newest Demon Slayer, actually.

I went out and watched the Demon Slayer movie. Yeah. I've heard that animation is like fucking bonkers. Yes, it is exactly what you would expect from a Demon Slayer movie. Okay. For better or worse. It brings... Did you cry?

I heard a lot of people cried. I unfortunately did not cry. Okay. I did. I can see why people cried. There was one backstory. Without spoiling anything, there was one backstory. that they took a lot of time to flesh out as opposed to your usual demon backstories.

I think it's one of the best Demon Slayer backstories to come out in the series. Okay. But let's just say it doesn't do anything differently than what Demon Slayer is known for. Do you think that sometimes I was watching some animation that sometimes it looks amazing, but other times it's just, I guess, flashy? Like, it's just a lot going on, but not necessarily good. Yeah. But they just bombard me with colors and cuts, and I'm like, okay.

Yeah. Yeah. I've been feeling that a little lately, and I sometimes wonder if that's the trend. Yeah, it's the jingling the keys, right? Kind of, yeah. I don't know, though. It's like, jingle, jingle. We're also like 30, so.

Oh, you're not yet. I'm 30 in spirit. So what you, I think what you're getting into is, like composition versus choreography. Thank you for putting actual words behind. With like composition, you get to add all these digital effects onto it.

It affects the way it looks, the explosions, the colors and everything. You get a lot more control over that. And you photo have always been masters of digital composition, not only with like Demon Slay and stuff like that. But, you know, sometimes you get, funnily enough the best

the best thing that comes a new movie by the way just so you know yeah yeah yeah yeah the like for me when I think of choreography I think of stuff like the you haven't fucking watched Narito narrative narrative has like some like stellar choreography in my mind

and a lot of those animators have gone on to do like Chinese animation as well which I think have some of the best like action choreography in the field right now and I think what you described is a debate that is going on in, that is going on in, at least that I've seen on Twitter.

But it's like two different takes on action scenes. And my take on it is like people can have personal preferences over which type of action they prefer. I do enjoy like very, very good choreography. But, you know, I watch stuff like Demon Slayer and I'm like, yo, some of the shit is mind-blowing. You know, some of, like it, yes, it is a lot of flashy colors and a lot of things going on, but God damn, does it not get the adrenaline pump in? No, I want to watch it because I think it'll be a visual spectacle. I didn't, was it wasn't talking specifically about Demon Slayer, but just in general, I felt like sometimes flasher equaled good. And it's like, well, not all the time.

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. No, that's true. Because I've heard the same thing with like the the, the, uh, the Rese film as well, the new chainswoman film. Oh, I've, that looks amazing. I really want to watch it. I've had no time to go to the surface recently. I want to watch it so bad. Yeah. Like the animation of that looks amazing And I'm probably gonna be watching that next as well Yeah Isn't it like number three on my anime This is something right now?

Is it? I mean, yeah Doing pretty good in Japan as well, I heard Oh, I mean, it's been in cinemas for over a month now So that's pretty telling Yeah Considering that it's competing with Demon Slave movie right now as well So it's crazy that Demon Slave movie

It's still going fucking strong I mean, it's already topped The previous Demosy movie Yeah, I was like I'm a surprised Has anime become mainstream now? Is it? Yeah

I mean, my local cinema has, what, 12 screens, and I think seven of them are still demon sleigh. And I'm just like, can I, I mean, that's cool and all, but I want to watch something else as well. Even when we moved here, it did feel like, you know, even in the short time we've been in Japan, six, seven years, it feels like when, when I feel like, obviously I love going to the cinema. So when I moved here, I always remember that the two movies that would always crush were like Derrimon movies for kids, we'd always do numbers. and then the new mecca movie, whatever it was at the time. Also the Detective Conan movies. Oh, yeah, sorry.

And any loop in if they were going out. But they weren't here, obviously, they haven't been out for, when was the last one that came out? It was quite a long time ago. Yeah, right, but those were the numbers too. But, like, yeah, it was always Detective Conan

or Drymon for the younger crowd, but I guess Detective Conan is kind of ubiquitous. And then it was always some mecha movie that was crushing it at the time. Yeah. But then, Deems like it feels like I just kind of, flipped everything on its head. Like the Muggen train feels like it changed everything.

Well, we did. Yeah, I mean, Muggan Train in Japan, at least, was in cinemas for like four or five months. Endless. It was crazy. Even now, I wanted to watch like one battle after another, which is a big film in America. Yeah.

The cinema in me, it was the week it came out, played it twice, and they're still playing Demon Slau like 15 times that day. Is one battle after another the other? The other gap year. That was like the biggest box office flop of the year, apparently. Is it? I don't know. It was really good, though.

Yeah? I liked it. That's really good. Apparently it's lost like $100 million. Oh my God. I looked into this the other day. I think the budget was like $300 million and it only made like $150 million. I feel like in the movie, if you get a chance to watch it,

Sean Penn is the most terrifying human being I've watched a lot more time. I've fucking lost Sean Penn, dude. He's so fucking terrifying in that film. Oh, really? He's really good. I don't want to check it out. How much, how much is it made? Bombed.

Shit, that's crazy that it bombed. Oh, the initial budget. Oh, okay. Okay, that's not too bad. Is it, where's Anderson? Paul Thomas Anderson. Oh, Paul Thomas Anderson. But sorry, go back to Demoslayer.

Yeah, it's, yeah. How much is Demoslayer made now? What's the revenue? It was 650 million or 700 million. It was 600 million. And I think that was before it launched in China. So it was like a legitimate debate over whether this could cross a billion. And that's like insane.

God. And the fact that- I don't get Koyojaro is seeing none of that. She is not seeing any of that. And the fact that, man, they fucking, they got part one of three. Yeah. There's two more films as well, there. 649 million worldwide,

becoming the highest-grossing Japanese film. And the highest-grossing international film in the US. Previously held by crouching tiger, hidden dragon. No! I mean, I feel like, obviously, Chainsaw Man wouldn't have done as well in Japan, but I think at least globally, the excitement would have been a lot higher for Chainsaw Man. I think had it released maybe before. Yeah. Or slightly later on. Well, I don't think Chainsaw Man has the, like...

No, not in Japan. Certainly not. No, no, no. Just even globally, I don't think it has the, um, like wide, as wide of an appeal as Demoslayer. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. I think, you know, you can't, you can't take your kids to go watch the Chainsaw Man movie. Yeah, yeah. You can with the Demoslayer move. I mean, you could if you were... You shouldn't, but you could. If you're if you're an irresponsible parent. Yeah, yeah. But-Jas the man's a little bit edgier. I mean, this is so weird because like, when did it become like,

when did Demon Slayer become considered kid-friendly? Which I, like, it is. Like, I think it is. No, it's not kid-friendly. It's family-friendly. Yeah, it's family-friendly. What the fuck does that mean? Dude, my uncle who, like, Japanese uncle, who is like, in his 60s, is like the biggest die-hard Demon Slayer fan ever.

It's like PG-13, like you can watch it with your parents? Yeah. Oh, got it. Okay. It's like parents watching it with their kids and then they get into it together. I never understood that. Like, does the theme change? Because dad's in the room? No, no, it just means it appeals.

It just appeals to, like, everyone. It appeals to everyone, like the family can enjoy together. Because it's like there's something for the kids to enjoy, but, like, the older people are also there, and they're not bored either, you know? I feel like, if Demon Slayer came out with your kids, they'd be like, is Demon Slayer too grotesque and violent for kids? Yeah, I don't.

Should Mitsuri have the tithes out? Discuss. I mean, I'm not. I'm not going to love. I'm not going to love. But in Japan, it is, though. Yeah, it is, it is. Which is crazy.

Yeah, but I love it. But I'm saying it. What is Demon Slay Infinity Castle rating, like age rating? I'm so curious. And I'm okay, this is not me saying like, we need to. It's an R in the US. That's crazy. Because in Japan, it is certainly, it is certainly, uh, at least being, I mean, I, actually,

I don't know, PG12. Wow. PG12 versus R. I feel like it is though, because like the themes, disgusted in Demon Slayer are very. It's easy to understand, yeah. Not childish, but yeah, like very, you know, it's nothing wide appealing. Yeah.

It's not like gigadeep necessarily, you know. Like there is just a lot of violence, I guess. Yeah. But I mean, in the movie, there is some legit like body horror in there, I would say. Cool. PG-12, maybe slammed on it. Yeah, PG-12. I was like, okay, okay, rating R in the USA, that actually kind of makes sense.

Based on, yeah, based on the content that I saw on it. Yeah. Japan is so funny, man. Sometimes they will just be like, yeah, a guy gets killed and run over by a truck. They're getting all ages. Yeah, my 14-year-old can watch that. No worries.

And then I'll have something and they'll be like, absolutely not. This guy stepped on the tummy, put fucking R-rating on that thing. We're not releasing Opunyama. Oh, yeah, they didn't release Oppenheim. Well, they did.

Eventually, yeah. They did. They did. But a lot of horror doesn't end end up making Instagram. We discussed before. But, yeah, sorry, we were talking about money and don't know.

I mean, I think this is, like now, like, it's insane. I think, didn't it like earn more than Superman or something like that? Yeah, more certainly. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Yeah. I think so. I mean, I'm, I'm, it's, it's a twofold thing of like, great, I'm really happy that anime's doing well, but it's like, man, I, dude. It's getting out of hand. Please don't make everything into a movie. Oh, you know what? Oh, you know what? Seeing this, it's going to happen, man. Like, I feel like as well that when I, when I, when I talk to other anime fans, people drop off on the movies. Yeah.

If there's a series and there's a movie, some people drop. Do you think so? Because there's something about a movie that loses people. I don't know what it is. I think it's because people are going to the cinemas less, potentially. But also, like, as an anime fan, we're so used to watching this stuff online. Yeah. But I don't know.

Because I watched Mugentrain as an episodic. Like, I didn't watch it as the movie. I would say that Mugentrain especially has this bad... You know, it, the feeling of Mugentrain wasn't, it didn't feel like you were watching a movie. It felt like you were watching five episodes stitched together. They also doubled it, bro. Yeah. They did both.

They released the episodes and made a movie out of it. Yeah. Well, that's what they've figured out now. It's like they release it as the movie. And then once the movie starts to like dwindle down a little bit, then they chuck it up on streaming. And then you can pay Lisa to show up again and record it back. Yeah, exactly. I will say Infinity Castle fell less like outrageously like episodes stuck.

together and more like, okay, this is a movie, this is a movie experience. And most of that is just because you are, they're in the Infinity Castle and it's just like, all right, what fights do we want to show? All right. That's, that's all we need. We're just sharing a bunch of fights, a bunch of backstories. And that's pretty much it. Because I saw the moving and train film in cinemas. And it was kind of crazy because I knew obviously, chronologically, it was a continuation from season one. But it really just like first two minutes, it literally just kicks off right after the last episode. I mean, that's kind of cool, though, you know.

Which is kind of cool. You could watch the episode the day before and just boom your end. Yeah, but at the same time, I was like, damn, you're not even going to like ease me into this shit. No, that's same with the Infinity Castle. Oh, really? Like, you're fucking Demon Slayer. You see. He's like, you know what it's about.

You know what it's is about. I mean, ultimately, I'm, you know, there's a part of me that obviously mentioned just now, like, I don't really want more anime movies. Or I, sorry, I don't want everything to become an anime movie. Yeah. But I do like the fact that stuff like Demon Slayer doing really well has been. a massive push for at least in America, the UK, and Australia, I assume, for kind of getting anime in theaters. Yeah. Oh, definitely. And I think if, you know, thank God there's three of them

because that will both certainly help push these things to incorporate it more. Do you think the attack on Titan ending should be a should have been a movie? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Because one thing I would say I like about what Infinity Castle was doing right now is that this is like the ending of Demon Slayer. It does give it a banger. It does feel like an event, you know, because this is going to be a trilogy of movies. And on one hand, I'm like, yo, dog, they're seeing the dollar numbers, and now they're seeing this first movie.

And then they're just like, Oh, string it out! We've done it. We've done it. Someone's going to be in the board meeting. Yeah. Fourth movie. I'll say you.

Demon Slayer Zero. But. The prologue. The prologue. It does feel cool to see just, like, a global event that is tied to an anime IP release, you know? Yeah. And I'm not sure how much

ChainSaw Man is like earning compared to Demon Slayer. I'm just not gonna- I think Chainsaw Man, from what I've heard is probably not doing as well, obviously, commercially, but I think- But I still think pretty well. I think critically though, it's doing really, really, really well. I've heard some really, really good things. Yeah, 50 mil. But for what Chainsaw Man, you know, because we've just got, we-

We did that first hour. Day one, day one. I mean, we've discussed before, but chainsaw-man is, obviously a very weirdly, uniquely placed anime that kind of is very specific and who it kind of is for. And it is for a very diehard anime fan. It's an incredibly unconventional story to turn into a film. But for the fact that this can do so well as well is great. Yeah. I think that's awesome too. Totally. And I'm glad that this movie is doing well. Totally. And I hope it does well in America too. Yeah. I hope it does well in America. It's been out for a month. I think, yeah, I would definitely

Definitely, yeah. Yeah. Is it already out in America? I don't think it's already out in America. I was going to say I would love us to get to the point where it can be same day. Same day a worldwide release. True. It would be nice to have.

Well, I think after the Demon Slayer trilogy, I think studios are seriously going to start considering it. Yeah. I'm wondering. I wonder at America. So I obviously, none of us got to watch it in America, but I wonder if it was mostly dubbed or sub that was being shown. I saw an article that said it was mostly sub, but.

Still, it was like, still, it was a lot of people watching dub as well. I don't have a source in this. This is a random tweet. This is a random tweet I saw, so I'm going to preface with that. But I think it was sub more than dub. But also, I don't know how many people are lying as well. It is Twitter. I mean, at least in Japan, there's like, there's most movies that come out here that are Western.

I want to say, like, 80% of the screenings are sobbed. Yeah. But every movie that comes out here. like Western. Like there is obviously demand for dubbed. Yeah. That's a thing. But most Japanese people prefer to watch things.

Most foreign films, yeah, most foreign films that are dubbed into Japanese in Japan, from my experience, I usually like the Pixar films and the Disney films. Yeah. The more family films and stuff like that. Yeah. I accidentally bought tickets to when the Batman came out to watching that dubbed. That wasn't good. Well, I was like, I was like 10 minutes in.

I was like, should I just leave? Like, should I come back and... I want to hear what fucking Robert Pants is badmets and... It was weird. I mean, I kind of... Did you don't know. I did... They did change it.

The staff are very sweet, though. Oh, yeah. They did. They were very sweet. But it's funny because, uh, also it wasn't like... Didn't like the Crunchyroll CEO or something, didn't he say that, you know, I think 70% of all anime gets watched in dubbed? on Crunchyroll and similar thing with Netflix as well.

Yeah. Despite how, despite... Man, people really hate reading, huh? Despite how vocal the anime community is about watching anime subbed and only watching in Japanese, the data says otherwise. People just don't want to read. I mean, I think you're the person,

let's say you're the person who watches, especially me at this point, like you're watching maybe, you know, an anime or two a season. I could, yeah, I'm probably going to only watch Dobb, right? Because it's just easy of access to that point. I think it's also just because most people watch

you know, anime on just second monitor, right? And so when you're saying, when you're watching something in second monitor, you don't have time to look over and make the side. Oh, was I wrong? Okay, sorry, I was wrong. 80 to 90%? It's 80 to 90%. Oh my God. Yeah, sorry, I made that number out of my ass. Damn. I also wonder, like, how much of this is to do

with, you know, sometimes when you boot up the anime, it does remember your preferences. Like Netflix, I imagine there's probably not a lot of people out there who are when the anime boots up, it's English. If it's your first time watching anime, you're probably not going to be like, oh, ew, and then put it like, yeah. The average anime fan is not as Puritan in that sense, where they're just like, um, my Japanese cartoons need to be in Japanese. I think it's good, though. I think it's good that most people are watching it dubbed because that this is just the gateway. Yeah, it is. It is what happened to me. Like, I only want, when I got into anime in like 2,000, I only watched Dubbed and then Attack on Titan came out and I was like shit

Everyone's talking about the show and it sounds amazing and the dub isn't you know because the dub didn't wasn't announced for a very long time Yeah and I was like I guess I'll watch it also just call that point on it was like yeah, like I couldn't go back also just quality of dubs have just gotten so much better as well compared to when you started watching anime I feel Wouldn't you say? Yes and no really I think some of the dubs that people think most about were some of the older ones. Oh, really? I think so. When you think about iconic anime dubs,

everyone tells us, Bacano, Cabo Bibar, or on High School Host Club, all these shows, because I think they had more time. It's 50-50 for me. There are some really, really good quality dubs nowadays.

Yeah. But I feel like back then, they did have more time to, like now it's all about like simulcasting, making sure the dub releases as soon as possible after it releases in Japan. And, you know, for the pipeline that they have, they do a really, really good fucking job.

I feel like before, they did have a lot more time to go over scripting. I think scripting is a massive part of the dubbing process and obviously just getting enough time for the voice actors in the booth to give the best performance that they can give as well. I can't remember the last time we had like an iconic watch this anime in dub moment. Have we had that recently? I have had that recently actually because I was watching the newest panning stalking in dumb.

And I, you know, because I enjoyed that, in my opinion, the original panning and stocking, the dub is so much better than the original Japanese. And I really enjoyed the dub. So when the new one came out, Akina were like, oh, let's, you know, watch it again in English. But I ran into this really weird phenomenon where I would be watching it. And, you know, if you know anything about painting stalking, it's vulgar as hell, right? Like, you know, it gives Quentin Tarantino a run for it and who is money on how many times they can say fuck in a script. But after like episode two, I was just like, this is just getting like really overwhelming. Like it's, it's almost too much vulgarity.

The cursing feels less intrusive in Japanese. Yeah. Because, you know, I don't already hear people say it normally. Yeah, it's like in, in Japanese, you know, we don't have the equivalent of the word fuck, right? So in the original Japanese of Pani Stocking, yes, it's vulgar, but it's a lot more nuanced. Whereas in the English, because of the handy F word, you can just repeat that like every three words. And after a while, I'm just like, I don't want to hear the word fuck anymore. It's too much.

And I had to actually switch it over to Japanese. And the Japanese is still great, but it was just, I don't know, maybe it's just like my taste is change. So you started off this conversation by saying, I love the Panii Stocki, Don't know if you'd immediately fucking swap today. No, no, no. No, I was saying, no, because God was, no, fucking listen. God said, God said what was the last iconic dub.

Okay. And that's why I said the penny's stocking dub. And then that led me onto the new one. Yeah, I thought he was saying that. Oh, my God. No, the panty stocking dove is great. It's just overwhelming for me, the new one. Yeah. I mean, I think the baseline quality of dubs,

is higher now than it was, but I do think we get less standouts than we used to get. Yeah. But there's a lot of factors involved why, and I also think particularly, people forget about how bad dubs were 2015, 2017 era of that space

when they were just trying to figure out simul dubbing. Right. Which is something I think that they, I don't think they do as much simul dubbing. I could be. Okay, well, then he's a question for you then, Connor.

What, in your opinion then, makes for an iconic dub of an anime? Like, what factors would you include as a voice director to make it like, like, what is it about, say, the Bakano dub or the Cowboy Bebop or the Panning Stocking Dub where it's like, those are standout dobs? I mean, first of all, I think you have to be set out by the source material to succeed.

Yeah, obviously. I don't think there'll ever be a case where we'll be talking about greatest dubs and it's set in a Japanese tea ceremony. You know what I mean? It's just like not going to have. Well, that's why, like, in my opinion, as much as, you know, it was like basically the same for the most part, the same group of voice actors as the Cowboy Bebob dub.

That's why I didn't think the Samurai Champlain dub was that strong. Oh, you think the setting doesn't fit it? I just don't think the setting fits it. I think it works for Cowboy Bebop because it's literally a Western in space. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think, like, it's set up to succeed as a job. Like, it is like, Bacchano is set up to succeed. It's got, it's a very Americana story.

And they also then on top of it got great writing, great references to the era through that writing. That would take a lot of time to research, I imagine. And so I think it's just really tough to compare exactly what one dub to another and why one might fail and might succeed. And there's so much more factors than just the dub itself. And also, we just making shit up and speculating on why something is better and why it's worse. You don't know what happened behind the scenes. or how much each actor plays a role or the director plays a part

and how good it came out. But I mean, the one thing that we at least do know is the general thought process of what the companies are trying to do at the time. And all I know is that like during 2015 to 17, maybe even 19, there's a big push for simul dubbing. But it wasn't quite figured out yet how to do that.

And so what ended up happening is that we got a lot of dubs that there's a big criticism at the time that all the actors were the same. And that's because they just needed people in the goddamn studio, like, constantly. And so I think there was a lot of dubs for a very brief period of time in anime where we've got simul dubs that were generally lower quality and had all very similar sounding casts, which ended up making it feel like, okay, what the fuck am I watching here? Yeah, right. But I think now it's gotten really good again.

I think they finally figured out how to do simul dubbing. And I think the Japanese side is also willing to help support that more. Whereas I think there was a bit, it seemed like it was a bit difficult initially. Well, I think it's because finally the anime industry has realized the huge missed market that is the overseas, you know, world. And they realize that, oh, most people want to watch anime in English. I mean, it's hard to say what factors really made that decision happen. I have to imagine Netflix played a massive part in a lot of this.

Oh, yeah, sure. And Netflix's model was probably, you know, quite persuasive in a way that, you know, And you have to remember this time that obviously Crunch Roll wasn't owned by Sony yet. CrunchRoll was owned by, I think, AT&T. Yeah. But I don't know how much they were really trying to make anime work as a, I mean, obviously, they sold it off. So I don't know how much they were trying to really push anime and also change the industry. Whereas it's obvious that Netflix has tried to change the industry as much as possible.

And one of the massive factors of how they have changed it is obviously dubbing and how that's done. Because Netflix, obviously, as we've all seen, 80 to 90% of people watch dubbed. And so if you release an anime, people are really excited about push it a bunch and then they can only watch it in Japanese. You've already lost most people. Yeah. So I think it's obviously, I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's good per se or anything or if it's bad. I don't really have an opinion on it like that. But at least it seems to be in a better point in terms of what the viewers getting.

I do. Because I think what I think about it is that it's gotten to a level now where I feel like you can always watch the dog. It doesn't really matter what language you watch it in. Before it was like, oh, the Japanese is like so much better. Now I feel like dapping has got to a point where it's like similar and level to what we get from like the Japanese cast. That doesn't really matter what you watch. It's all preference.

People are like, man, this dub sucks. I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah. Sure, man, sure. It's like you just have a preference and that's fine. And that is fine. Just admit it. Stop trying to tell everyone else that you like this thing more.

and in proxy, your way of explaining that is everything else is bad. And the thing I like is really good. Yeah. And it's like, this is not helpful. No. But I think the offshoot to that is that we get less iconic dubs. Yeah, I think so. Where it's just like, there were some shows back in the day.

Play it safe. Yeah, there was some shows back in the day where it was like, no, this anime is better experienced in dubbed, you know. And I feel like we get less of that nowadays and more of just like, ah, the dub still slaps, but the Japanese slaps as well. Okay, maybe a question. Maybe this is a topic that we don't want to open up. But in regards to that, if to zoom out, we have a look at it.

How much of that do you think is perhaps taking risks with localization, like how they kind of convey the story a bit? Do you think it's a bit safer now? Are they unwilling to, because there was obviously for, I can't remember what year it would have been. Haname had a couple of controversies with some of the localization. Oh, yeah. Where they changed some of the wording.

Well, some of them were pretty egregious as well. They were certainly out of pocket with it. Do you think that the safer approach to localization, perhaps, is, you know, maybe you played a part in that? I don't know, because I'm still trying to figure out what exactly made shows, like, dubs for, like, Cowboy Bebop and Bokano, like, iconic. Like, because I'm thinking about it now, I'm like,

like, yes, there were most certainly really good dubs. That's no shadow of a doubt of that. But is it, were they brilliant because all the other dub shows that were surrounding it at the time were just below average or even crap in standard and it just like kind of elevated those actual good ones to really stick out or is it that they were actually or was there something in those dubs whatever it might be that actually made them legitimately excellent I think those like there are a few examples where it was just right actors right place right script right time you know where

some of like some of I mean you know cardboard B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B. the dub is what everyone quotes. And it's not, I don't know us like. Well, I think it's the fact that the show is more well known overseas than it is in Japan is like speaks for itself. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And localization is always hard. Yeah. It is very, very hard.

It's kind of like you have to balance this fine line between making it accessible to the audience that you're you're localizing it too, but also keeping the spirits and the intention of the original, you know, the original Japanese. Yes. And I think that is always hard because there are necessary, there are always going to have to be some things that you change because language, you know, culture is baked in language and there's always going to be some things that you switch over. And it's always trying to find that fine line between,

localizing it without pissing off your audience and paying respect to the original. And I think respect is like a big thing, a big thing that you need to come across in any localization, localization that you do. Because if the fans think that you aren't respecting the source material, oh boy, you will get called out for it. And there have been some outrageous examples in the past where it feels like, it may have felt like, okay, this is a translator kind of like

moving too far away with what the intention of the original source material is and what the intention of maybe what the original story, the original author wanted to convey with these guidelines. Yeah, sure. Because yeah, unfortunately we have had some examples of some, you know,

maybe like bad actors in the industry setting a bad precedence And those are the examples that get the most press coverage for better or worse, unfortunately. And that doesn't necessarily reflect on what everyone is doing industry-wide. But it does mean that there are a lot of eyes on this. And if you fuck up, the audience is going to let you know for better or worse, man. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

I can't remember exactly, but I remember there was a scene in, Bacano or Bacano. I've got always agreed with how to say it, probably. Bacano. Bacano. It's a scene where Lada Rousseau is like punching this guy to death. And I think while he's punching him, he's naming a bunch of boxes that were like famous at the time. Right. I'm near certain the Japanese one doesn't do this.

Problem? I don't know. I remember. It's been a while since I watched Bacana. I could be wrong. And I swear I remember listening to like some DVD commentary or something where the guy is, they're talking about it. Yeah.

And how, yeah, they basically kind of would almost completely change the sentence at times because they're like, well, this is what the character's doing here. And this makes a lot more sense given here. And it's like, okay, that I think you wouldn't, you would be very much not allowed to do that now. Yeah. But in a way that most, I feel like little things like that can sometimes enhance and make these really stand out dubs where you've allowed some. want to research and really flex and show off the appreciation of the source material,

but also also the time, the setting, and the place and be able to use the active strength in that scene. Yeah. But now you don't really do that. Yeah, it's not worth the risk, I don't think. It's not worth the risk. And I think, yeah, when it can go wrong, it can go spectacularly wrong. And when it can go right, it'll be a thankless, unnoticed appreciation. Yeah, because I swear there was something recently where people were really praising the dub, and I can't remember what it was for. But, yeah, yeah. No, the point you said about like, yeah, even if they do it right, like nothing happens. It's so true because it's like, you know, not many people watch both the sub and the dub of the same show and like compare and contrast, right? Like, they're not going to be like, oh, in the Japanese one he said it like this, but in the English one you said it like this, it's like you're either just watching one or the other. Yeah. But those people who do compare the two are very loud. Oh, yeah. Yes. Yeah. They are the minority, but they, yeah, they will let you know. But, I mean, it's, I think it is something that obviously we had to. Michael Koji Fox on. He was talking about it.

And it was really interesting hearing how they did it for games. And, you know, obviously they worked so closely with the game. Yeah. And that was really interesting. A lot of anime, unfortunately, a lot of anime localizers don't get the same privilege. But that gave them the confidence to be able to, it sounds like, you know, really tell it the way the director intended. Sometimes in English, right? Have to change it.

Or, you know, sometimes Japanese can be stiff in English. How do you make it sound more natural? Or even get across the same point without saying the same word. words. Yeah. How do you get that across? And I think perhaps that's something that is, is less of a factor nowadays, which might be one of the reasons. Well, you had to do that as well. Wow. Not to the same extent. Not to the same extent. Not to the same extent. But I mean, yeah, and also I just ask you. So like there's no, and I feel like if I couldn't ask you, yeah, with Barn, for example, like I would probably go with the safer option nearly always.

Yeah. I'm not trying to piss. You don't want to step on his toes. Yeah, I'm just trying to piss you off, step on your toes or ruin your work. And maybe that's also from me not having the experience or confidence to be able to take those risks. Perhaps I would be otherwise if I had been a writer. Then I got into anime, which is what it felt like it used to be as well. Yeah, because I feel like, you know, I think previous, as we go back to timing and how much time they had to prepare a lot of these scripts where they had time to research to make sure that every line enhanced the characters to better suit whatever time period they were in maybe

or maybe better suit the setting that they were in. It enhanced the work rather than kind of like detracting from what the original vision was, which I feel like is very slippery slope. For sure. I don't know. There's also, how do you guys feel about slang being introduced into dub? I think we discussed this once And I think my point was

that slang always feels bad When it is the current time Yeah Well you're talking about the My Hero Academia clip As well Well that was That was pretty bad Yeah

But slang in general Never feels good to hear Because we're living in that slang Yeah Like 10 years You'll be like Oh that's so funny Or like

Or maybe 10 years You'd be gringe even more But then in 30 You'd be like Oh that's so funny Yeah Yeah It really like dates

The show whatever it is, right? Yeah, I don't know. I'm, I think, again, it's, it's, it's very highly nuanced because it's like, there can be some moments where maybe like one word can slip in that adds to that particular character or, you know, that, you know, adds on to the personality of a particular character where it's like, oh yeah, if this character was a real person, I could hear them say this particular slang word. But I think when some people, well, when, when I've seen some dubs where they just like chuck it in just because it's like, oh, this will get the kids riled up.

Then it's like, it's a bit unnecessary, you know? Like, okay, here's the thing. Do you ever experience this in Japanese at all where they have maybe a character that is, you know, or like it's either a character or a show where, you know, it's a little bit more modern. So do they ever feel like the need to put modern Japanese slang terms in there? I mean, from recent shows that I've watched, there are certainly some words that are more geared towards, I guess, like the modern day slang in Japanese. They swear they use a lot of these words.

Yeah. It's pretty common. Yeah, but that's the thing. It's like, I don't know if it's like a language difference or a culture difference or a mixture of both, but it doesn't sound maybe as jarring because the way that Japanese slang works, at least from how I see it, is it's not as like standout when you compare it to it. English slang word. Like when you hear like an English slang word, especially like, you know, like, you know, Gen Alpha slang words, for instance, right? It's very apparent. Like, this is like the new word. Yeah. Whereas I don't know what it is with Japanese slang words. It doesn't sound as like front and center or like stand outish in a sentence. Like it's,

it's managed to flow a lot better. But in saying that, if they overused it, then yeah, I would start to be like, what the fuck, you know? Like, I don't understand what you just said, but. If, uh, yes, yes, what do you say? Introduce a slang term that a lot of Japanese gamers are using now. Or chill, chidu, chit, chit. Oh, chiru, yeah. Yeah, chill, chill, chill, chill. Yeah, chill.

They say chill, yeah. Yeah, if someone's chilling out, they say they're chirut-de-r. So that's the thing, it's like, there are some, like, there are some, like, obviously, you know a Japanese slang word when you hear it, but it's either they don't incorporate it as much into the story, because maybe the particular, author is adamant against it or maybe thinks that it's not fitting to that particular character. Or it's just a lot more integrated or maybe it's like one generation behind kind of slang. Do Japanese people all care as much about slang as English people do? In what sense? I feel like there's a lot of...

Like a generational thing? There's an aspect of looking down on someone who uses slang in English. Does that exist in Japan? Japanese? I don't know, to be honest. I think maybe some older generation people will be like, what does that word mean? Yeah, like, I think for certainly when like I talk to my parents, I try to use none of the slang anymore. Or someone older. Right. Just because, obviously. You don't, you don't say Lamow to your parents? I don't say Lamount. I call myself saying lock in to like a 50 year old the other day and I was like, I felt very embarrassed. I know they

didn't care. I don't if they understood. But like, for me, I was like, I'd won, I dated myself, but also I gave away, like, who I hang out with and what I fucking do with my free time. Not that it matters, but is that the aspect in Japan and Japanese? Potentially, I don't know. I think if I say, like, I've been playing Kusel game lately. Oh, Kisorke. Yeah, Kisogu. Um, would they be like, what's wrong with you? Well, no, no, I don't think so. I think they'll just be like, what is that word mean. Then do you perhaps think there's some kind of attitude difference towards slang? Because I feel like in English we certainly have this. Like we certainly have like a prejudice against slang. Right. I mean, okay, for instance, right, um, my grandma hates it when I use the word yabai.

For everything. Because yabai can mean like bad, right? Like, oh, yabai, but it can also mean like good. Like, yeah, like yabai. This is so yabai. Like Japanese is already so like lack of context heavy. Exactly. The fuck are you not. Grandma, we need to lock in, my grandma hates it when I say yabai, because then she's like, do you mean like a good or a bad way? Like, I don't know. What? Yeah, she doesn't understand like the contextual yabai or what it particularly means.

She doesn't have any gripe with the word or the newness. She doesn't have any gripe with the word. She doesn't have a gripe with me using it. Right, right. Because she wants to communicate with her grandson in a way that she can understand it. So I actively avoid seeing the word yabai when I'm talking to my grandma. Yeah, but yabai is. just like, it's such a handy word.

It's so handy. It's so handy. It's just like, sometimes it's just like the feeling, right? Yeah. And so like, I've like, my grandma has like forced my hand to like, every time I talk to her and I have to explain a situation or something, I have to like flip the the the the source of being like, all right, what's like a, what's a word that can get the guy. Yeah. Yeah. What's a yabai adjansen word that works in this situation? Yeah. And the short boy version of it as well. Oh, yaba? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yobot. Yeah. I think slang is so fast and ever-changing as well in English. Like, I feel extremely so. That I think when you try to use it in some kind of official capacity, it ends up just looking quite stiff. And I think that's why people kind of recoil at it when they hear it. It's like, oh, it's a company.

They said to go through approvals. And everyone's 30 who made this. And there's just a lot of like aspects to it where it doesn't feel. Yeah. I think in Japanese as well, A lot of slang derives from a lot of subcultures. So if you're not part of that subculture, then you'll most likely never, like, you know, like,

Gyadu speak, for instance, right? Like, the yadus back in like the 90s and 2000s made up so many fucking words. They basically invented their own language. But if you yourself weren't a gyadu or you weren't hanging around garros, you would never hear it. It's like, cockney rhyming slang. Yeah, yeah. It was.

It was like, I've heard some galu words where I'm just like, that doesn't even sound Japanese. But it is. And but that's the thing. I'm not part of that subculture. And I don't know anyone who is in that subculture. So I'll most likely never hear it. And unless, you know, you have a Gaiu character in an anime, you also will most likely

never hear it. Yeah, but okay. So when it comes to like localizing that, do you commit to the slang? Because I think the most, the biggest example I can think of is probably like Maron Kittagawa who is not like full on Ghiaru, but definitely, you know, definitely has a lot of like, Yeah, modern, yeah. Definitely doesn't speak, speaks modern. slang sometimes, you know. I think with Martin, for instance, right? And I think this is the case

with a lot of gai-do characters. I think the authors purposefully make sure to like, yes, portray that this is a gharu in the way that that character speaks. Yeah. But they don't go, they don't fully lean into that slang, I think, because it alienates a lot of people. Because especially with gai du, again, if the author of my dresser-down fully committed to mahony speaking like a gai-doo, no one would understand anything. And it would isolate everyone being like, I don't understand what this character is saying. Yeah. So it's like, it's, it's adding subtle hints to the fact that she is a gharu, but not in like

an egregious way. Yeah. Where even if you might have the most surface level understanding of it, you can still understand it. It's like when, um, I've noticed like, I don't, I don't remember which anime did it. But like, when you have like an anime character, for instance, speaking like a Kansai dialect, there's been some like fan subs that I've seen where they like, they, they translate it in a way that makes them sound like Southern?

Like a song? Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, instead of like, you guys, it's like, y'all. I remember when old dubs used to do that all the time. Old dubs used to do that too. And I was just like, huh, that's an interesting. I guess you are committing to the fact that they are speaking in a different dialect in Japanese.

And that translates to they're from Texas. You know? So, but, you know, there are also some anime where you'll have a character speaking in Kansai dialect, but they won't bother, you know, showing that off. because it's like you're not going to know otherwise. Yeah. You know, it's still Japan.

Yeah. I think it's also because, you know, with a lot of modern slang, it also comes from, at least English, like, from like black culture a lot of the time. And I feel like seeing an anime character say that, it just reminds you of basically the 12-year-old white boy in Ohio who learned this from Kaizenat saying it. And that's kind of the image I have when I see like, yeah. Like if Deku was to say Riz, I would.

You just imagine he goes home and it watches Kaisenat. You know? I don't think that Deku would be in the place where he would learn to say these words. Exactly. Yeah. It's too culturally different, I feel, to include it without it sounding off. Well, now it's... A lot of the reasons and culture that goes into these words and why they come from in English

don't carry the same weight as they would in the anime. No, definitely not. Sorry, I don't... And also, like, not everyone speaks like that. I think we... This is all such, so online. No, because you mentioned, oh, you caught yourself saying lock into like a 50 year old person and whatever. I hang out with people my age.

And I feel dated when I'm like, when I say lock in. But lock in is one of the good ones. Locking is one of the good ones. I love locking because it's so easy to understand. But like by saying that, like I know anyone who says that is terminally online. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? It's like the fucking.

The fucking three fingers from. Yeah. from Igorishman. It's like, I know you're online. I know you're online. Like, it's just, I catch myself every time I hang out with people, not even like older people, people my age or younger than me, who are employed.

Yeah. Who are employed, who live normal lives. Yeah. And they're like, what the fuck is this aura thing? And I'm like, oh, yeah, this is, I'm, I am an online content creator. I, I've got the words in my head that I have to use. when I'm talking to someone who's normal. I'm like,

whose energy is really powerful. What are the words? Oro is energy. Lock in is to concentrate or focus. Cap, cap. Cap? He's profusely lying. Yeah.

I can deal on the fly. Stop shitting me, man. Yeah, yeah. You're shitting me. Oh, fuck off. Yeah, fuck off. Taking the meck. I got all the,

all the replacements locked in bed before I need it. That is true. But I'm trying to like, I'm trying to choose the ones I like. Lock-in's a good one. Yeah, because some of them can actually work. Yeah. And then other ones like, you know.

There's just something so, I can, a visceral image of locking in. There's something in my head that I can picture. I can hear the sound. Just the guy, the image of that, that parasite clip with that guy. Yeah. Which I love that that kind of became the face of locking in. Yes. Was that one clip from Parasite, which is a great anime that you should all watch.

Yeah. haven't because it was one of the first animator of a completely like dubstep soundtrack, which... Yeah. It was fucking great. I love this. God, I love this. But also, the context of which this is in is so fucking cool in the show.

It is, yeah. It's so good in the show, dude. You have to watch this. Because, dude, when I first watched this anime and this scene happened, it was chills. Yeah. It was chills, dude. Because that's why it's still popular. Because it's locked in.

Dude, it's a show. It's so good. Yeah, you gotta play it. Do you remember the show and what happened? Yeah, because they basically, they take a serial killer. And they're like, does something, is something wrong with this guy's energy? You know, can you tell anything? Yeah, yeah.

And he immediately censors the parasite within him. Yeah, this is such a cool scene. He senses the aura. He senses the aura. I just, like, so sick about the FBI's like, I get, we brought in the serial killer. Oh, fuck. Lock in.

But he can't, he can't sense him right initially until McGee, Mickey does something, right? Yeah, yeah. He's like, he looks him in the eye, and he's like, oh shit. Yeah, hold on, a long way for it. He's about to lock in.

Such a fucking good show. You're gonna watch this show. Oh, it's so good. Please watch this viewers if you haven't already. That's your weekly recommendation. Yeah, watch Parasite. Watch Parasite. So good.

But yeah, damn. I just, man, we say it on the podcast all the time and obviously, you know, when we talk to other content creators, man, using it in normal society does make me feel unemployed. Yeah, it really does. I really out myself.

Yeah, well, like, oh, this man has aura. And I'm like, oh, shit. I just, damn, man, I shouldn't be using that word in normal society. It feels, it feels wrong. It feels wrong, man. Yeah, I have to actively stop saying drip as well. That's another, like, oh, yeah, man.

I'm like, he's fashionable. He's got great sense of clothes. I'm like, yeah, I don't have coworkers. I don't have proper office coworkers. I need to, like, change my language. Yeah. So that everyone of every age will understand. I stop having coffee,

before I come to Trash Tastin, now I'm like, now I'm a two off of this guy. Okay, nice. I'm glad to join me. I had one before I came to this. I need to admit one. I had to shoot before this. Oh, yeah, yeah. I had to do that one.

So I was very sleepy. Do you have a favorite mug? At home? Yeah. Yeah. You have a mug where, you know, it's on like the RNG and it turns up to be your favorite mug. And you're like, you know, today's going to be a good day. Uh, it's, uh, I used to.

And, you know, this is a very UK problem because you'd always have zero matching cups because people would just... You just always got mugs in the UK. No, people give you mugs and sometimes you buy it, you go out. Yeah, the Easter eggs. Yeah, the sports direct one.

Yeah, I remember the sports direct one. Yeah, I remember the sports direct one. Yeah, I remember the sports rate one. It's gigantic one. Everyone has that in their home. That must be a UK thing. It is UK. Do you have a favorite mug?

To answer your question, in Japan, I do not, sadly. I have four of the exact same mugs. Oh, no, no. You gotta go with the R&G. My favorite is the trash taste mug, actually. I do like the trash taste one, but one, I'm scared of one using it. Yeah. And why?

I just scared of breaking it. It feels like an artifact. And then also, it's good, but the ribs make it weird. You think so? I don't like the ribs. I don't like holding the ribs. What do you mean the ribs? The ribs of the can.

Of the can. Yeah, it's got like, it's ribs. Oh, like the divvets? Yeah, the, I guess divv is it ribs? I don't know. I mean, that's what the handle's there for. Yeah, but I like grab. in a mug. Do you like doing this? I like put my hand through the mug thing and like,

oh, you're one of those people? No, no, no, I don't. Do you do that with beer as well? Yes, yeah. Yeah. Completely neglecting the fact that it has a handle. Well, it often doesn't have a handle. In Japan, it does. Not always. Most of the Zakayas have the handle. 50-50. Is your favorite mug that tries to taste mug? The Asahee fucking cup always has the handle. Yeah. But, and I can fucking grab it by the handle because that's what it was built. Premium malts, bro. No handle. All right. Actually, no, it does have the handle sometimes. Actually, it depends. Yeah, it depends. Yeah, no, I like the trash taste mug because it's,

I have a lot of small mugs where it's like enough for one cup of coffee, but there are some days... Do you want it out? There are some days where I'm just like... It's not a whole two cups worth of liquid. I need a double coffee. This is a grande size. Yeah, I need a grande coffee sometimes and the trash taste mug is the perfect size. Do you like a coffee, Joey? I'm ordering one. Yes, please. Yeah. I don't know if it's a me thing, but you, all of my cups

in my house are different. I don't have, I don't think a single of repeating mug, as it should be. Yeah, I have too many mugs. Yeah, I have too many mugs. I've got like 15 mugs. I've got like five like glass glasses. Yeah, yeah. When people come around and like, can I have a glass of water? I'm like, just pick a mug, pick a mug. Some people will ask me, do I ever think we'll run out our topics? But then Gartt whips out this one. I'm like, I don't think it's possible. No, I just, I think we always have something to talk about. Sometimes we're always going to have some mundane thing to talk about. Because God will bring out the 15 minute mug conversation. Sometimes I just wake up.

And like today I was, I wanted to go, because I wanted a coffee and I was like, oh, it's my favorite mug on rotation. Wait, no, it's a trash taste day. This is tomorrow. Sometimes, I don't know. It's all about the, appreciating the little things, right? Yeah. I have like a favorite mug. And when the R&G gets to that mug, I'm like, today's going to be a good day. I'm feeling up today. Just because I guess I've never thought that deeply about it. I don't know, man. I'm just like, yay, double coffee. I was drinking wine with Kevin and L.

And I realized I have the most outrageous fucking way of holding a wine glass. Kyle, can you get me a wine glass? I didn't realize this. How else you're supposed to hold a wine glass? I don't know. It's okay. I didn't realize I did this subconsciously. Do you hold it like L at the bottom?

Oh, no, no, no. Wait, wait. Glass of wine, anyone? I got to show you guys because I didn't really. I realized I did this until it looked at me and they're like, you are holding it like a fucking war crime right now. And I'm like, oh shit. How was it like from the top?

Like you didn't do one of these? No. I have, I feel like I've seen you hold a wine glass weirdly. Probably, probably you've seen it. I never noticed. I feel like I've seen you do this. No, no, no. Oh, I was only joking with the top thing.

I swear I've seen him do that. That's, that if you hold it like, that's egregious. This is a sequel to the, uh, To the gone drinking water. All right. All right. Conno, Connor, hold that.

Go on to hold that. Red or white? Red. Red. I mean, we go from here. We give it a little sun. And then white. Obviously, you can do this with white.

It's a little cold. Pick it out. That's what I learned from the guy in Wales. Yeah. So I think I... What the fuck? Wait, I'm trying to do it. Bro's playing it like it's a...

No, no, no, no. You try to do pen tricks with it? You're trying to like spin it? I have fit like some way that's like, wait, now, now I'm second guessing myself. Fuck, I can't do it on command. Okay, yeah, red or white, I'm holding it like this. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. And just spin it like that. That's the human way to hold it. I don't know how else you would hold. No, it needs to be one of those like fancy ones where it's like really, I think I hold it like something like that. Hey, yo.

It's like, it's, it's balanced on every point. This is like the tech tax. This is the, this is the guy who holds a wine glass who's dropped one too many wine glasses and can't trust himself and has to barricade it on all sides. Like, because this one, I'm like, this, this, this, this wobbles too much, you know? This one, you get like this, the fingerprints on the wine glass. So I just, I just started holding it like this. Yeah, that's pretty. It balances it out on every point.

How the fuck are you doing that? I don't know. I figured this out subconsciously. That's crazy. And I'm like, oh, yes, perfect. Perfect glass of wine right there. That's weird.

That's crazy. Yes. Yeah, that's, yeah, Kevin and L have every right to diss you on that way. That is weird. That is fucking weird. Well, how do you hold a pen?

Huh? How do you hold a pen? Oh, no, I hold it like this. This is normal. I've seen people hold pens like this before, and this I don't get. I've never seen that. Watching Left.

people write always scares me. I get why they're like, they're the devil. You're a witch. What do you mean? Just watching them like curl their hand around because everything's built for the right handers. Yeah. And I'm like, what is this? The ones that, the ones that freak me out of the people who write literally sideways. You know, I'm talking about where like, if the paper is like here, they spin the paper like 45 degrees and then they're like, I don't like that. You do that? No, I don't do it often, but I used to like it when I had to write a fuck ton, which is more comfortable. Right.

Like when you had to do tests, you have to write. Yeah, I hold it like that. That's weird. That's normal. That's normal, right? That's normal. I hold like what I hold my chopsticks. You know, really, it doesn't matter anymore.

It's all typing. Yeah. No one holds pen. I was going to say the art of handwriting is lost. Yeah. Sometimes I see, I meet people where they have like perfect handwriting. How can some people write in the completely straight line? with no guidelines.

Because I've seen people do that, and that to me is, that's a Mahir academia quirk. I just, I, that's a fucking superpower. I do not understand. Does yours always like slant down?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We've all been there. That's why in school you had to like draw the lines out. Yeah. Did you guys ever have good handwriting?

No. No. I used to, I used to write all my stuff in cursive because, you know, obviously we, apparently kids don't learn how to write in cursive anymore. Oh, okay. That's pretty a good thing.

But, you know, we were in the generation where we had to learn how to write cursive. And I guess I got really into it in high school to the point where it's so cursive, I can't even read it. So I had to stop doing that. Because I literally got to some points where I would write a word and then I look at the word, I'd be like, what did I just write? Yeah. So now I do like all block letters now. They threatened to hire a transcriber for my exams because my handwriting is so bad. Yeah, they were like, we're going to have to make you, like, they were like threatening my parents.

If you don't lock in. She charged me for a transcriber because my handwriting was so bad. Really? But I try to use it to my advantage as well. That's what doctors say. You know, like, you know, when you're in an exam, and you're like, I don't really know the answer, but I think I know how to roughly write the start of the answer. Just make it look like five different words at the same time. If I just write and I just write something, maybe they'll feel so sorry for me that they'll think maybe he got it right.

Did it ever work? You don't know. You don't find out. I guess so, yeah. I think because in the UK at least you have to pay to get your test back. What? Yeah. Like your exam.

In school. Did you ever get your exam back? I don't remember. No, you don't. I don't remember. I don't think so. You never got your exams back. Did you get all your exams back?

Yeah. In Australia. You would see the exact paper you sent out. Yeah. So you can see exactly what you wrote, exactly what you got right and wrong. No. In the UK, you would get a sheet that just said your score. And that was it. And then you could request like a review or your paperback, but it costs money. What? That's fucked up. Well, yeah, they probably got less complaints that way. And they got money when people did complain. Yeah, that's crazy. I'm pretty sure that's what it is. Maybe Google check or ask, I don't know,

fucking grok or I don't know who. Grock, is this true? I swear that it's at least, how it was when I was in school. Like you, you, I never got my exams back. Really? I never found like, like, like at the, uh, and during A levels, which was the one before high school. Yeah. You would, you would get your maybe section marks. I can't remember exactly though, but I think it was just overall. Yeah, see, look at it. Review of marking. Uh, 43 pounds. What the fuck. Clarical recheck, nine pound per unit. That's crazy. So, uh, because like, so you have to pay money in order to, like, review your work essentially or review your school. Priority copy of marked paper. Okay. I didn't see this one.

So I guess you could get it for free. Right. I didn't know that. No, I think that review of marking is a, you can pay 43 pounds to say like, Oh, to reevaluate your score. I'm not happy with the result. Right. Sorry.

So maybe that's what it was. That's still pretty crazy though, because I'm pretty sure in Australia, at least my school, if you got your exam back and you thought that, you know, say if it's like an English exam, right, where it's like, the scoring is very nuanced. Yeah. Yeah. You could like just give it to the teacher and being like, oh, actually, section, I think should be marked or, you know, whatever. And then some teachers would just be like,

fuck off or they'll be like, okay. I never got it back. Really? And I think maybe, maybe it wasn't, sorry, it was probably free, but maybe going through the process was a bit cumbersome. Oh, interesting. To get it. And, you know, obviously, if you did bad, a lot of the time, it was like, stop floundering. You sucked, Connor. Just fucking do it again. Except the reality. Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of that to it, right? And you only ask. for it back once you've gotten the bad mark, right? So, you know, I think at least the culture was not to get back. Oh, interesting.

Yeah. So we normally used to, I don't know if Gant did this too, but they would always tell us like right after the exam, they, sometimes they were, the teachers would be like, all right, let's go over it. Can everyone explain like what you answered and stuff? And I'll hide. We did not do that. Oh, we did that a couple of times.

In university. In G E-CSE, an A level? Maybe an A level. Okay. A level we did it. But then our classes were really small because mine was a while shownly. Right. So my biology class had like five people.

Oh, well, then there's a little bit easier. Yeah. Yeah. Why would you want to do that? So you can review your work? I think it was because... Bro, it's already done. You're like, well, fuck, I didn't know this answer.

Now I know I didn't know this answer. I think I always appreciated, like, you know when you fucking bombed an exam. Like, you know what I mean? Like, there was never a time where I was like, man, I think I did really well. And then I did fucking awful. Right. I'd had like, I thought I did really well. I did okay.

And I thought I did okay and did really well. But I'd never had, man, I definitely passed that. And I bombed. Like, that's never, you just know when you bombed. Yeah. Yeah. So I think for a lot of people, at least I appreciated knowing like, okay, I think I roughly got around here, peace of mind.

Okay, that's what I'm expecting. If I got a sea, at least I know right away. I got a C, you know, and that's it. Yeah, the disappointment isn't there because I knew exactly what I was going to get. Yeah, like, and then I could also set my parents' expectations, which was a big thing too, which was... You go home and you're like, don't look forward to this.

Well, yeah, I mean, I could go home and I'd be like, Mom, I'll be real with you. It's a C. Don't expect anything more. It was pretty ass. You know, it is a pass. It is a past. It's my mind you. It's not a great pass, but it's a pass. Maybe this is a white parent thing.

I don't know. Did you have to do this gone? no negotiating. No, dude, if I went up to my parents and I was just like, I kind of did ass, I would die. My mom would be like, oh, so you don't want dinner then? Well, I never did ask. Well, I never did ask. So that's something I never needed to deal with. All right. You know, straight a fucking student right here. All right. Stop bragging. Oh, I would say like the most stressed I've ever been. I think one of the most stress in my life actually, I don't know.

if I've said the story about me almost missing one of my exams. I think you, not sure. This sounds familiar. Yeah. This is the bane of trash taste. This is, if it is, then it's like 200 episodes. Yeah, it's probably like 200 episodes ago. But like, I remember it was like my maths exam, final maths exam,

uh, in university. Mm-hmm. Year four. No, uh, it's my master's year. No do-overs. If I fail this year, I fail, you know, you fail the entire, section. Yeah. And this particular math exam, uh, we had no coursework or everything or anything. Um, so it was worth 100% of that term. Oh, that was that would fuck me up. That wasn't, there was no,

like, safety nets. Yeah. It was all on this one exam. Yeah. Which now looking back, I'm like, this is fucking mental. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, we didn't, we didn't have any course work. We didn't have any pre-work. It was all on this final exam. Um, And I remember it was a three-hour exam, which shows how much we had to cover. Because I think most exams are like two hours or whatever. Yeah, this is like a three-hour exam. And I remember getting to the exam hall. And looking around, there's a lot of people.

I see a lot of my mates from my other engineering courses. And, you know, hanging about, I have to have this weird feeling. I was like, huh, don't see anyone in my course. here, but I see other engineering courses, other engineering students here. So the mechanicals, sort of the civil engineers. So I was like, ah, I'm in the right place. So we get to the point where we have to go in. And, you know, I go in and I don't see my name.

I don't see where I'm supposed to sit. I'm like, what is going on? Call up my friend. And he's like, where the fuck are you? You know, we're in this, other building, right? And I'm like, what do you mean other building? And you're like, no, all electrical engineers got sent to like this other building. And I'm like, okay, shit, okay, how long do I have to walk? I Google it. It's on the other side of town. It is a 40-minute drive with traffic.

Holy shit. And there is no Uber this time. Yeah. I am. I have to, I panically go to the front desk. I beg them to call a taxi. And we somehow get a taxi. And I am, this is like, I don't know, there are, I don't know if you guys feel, there are certain moments of stress that all get attributed to like the same kind of stress levels. So me, it's like, it's like, obviously, this stress and it's the dream of waking up and feeling like you're naked, that kind of stress. I don't know, that has a unique kind of stress to it. Yeah.

That I feel disappeared when I went into the working world. I don't know why, but like, it was like. It's not even stress. It's like dread. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the moment that you wake up from and you are glad that you never had to live that moment. Yeah.

That was the kind of stress I was going through. And I remember being in this taxi. I was like full on fucking monk mode. Yeah. I was just, I was trying to meditate. I needed, I need to get orchard. Yeah, there's nothing worse than the moment of like impending doom and you are literally like traveling to it.

Yeah. And you're like, I just got lock in. It's like, there's nothing worse when your only enemy is time. Yeah. And there's like, there's nothing you can do. It's just like, the seconds do not stop taking them. Yeah. Because like everyone tells you, oh, you know, you gotta be calm.

No one performs better under stress, man. How'd you de-stress in a moment like that, man? God. I think the only way to de-stress is for you to just try to convince yourself that it's like, well, it's over. It's, it just have to give off. Like, it's like, well. You have to go through the five stages of the grief.

You have to speed you on it. But you have to recognize, like, it's same if you're late to hang out with friends or you're late to a job. It's like the only thing you can do is, one, apologize profusely when you get there. And two, do the fucking thing that you came there to do. Yeah. Like, just get it done. Just get it done. Yeah.

And don't like make the whole fucking thing about it. Because it's like whenever someone's late to your things, right? Like if you have a work thing or, you know, you don't care that they're late. Well, obviously, you do. You're annoyed. But, like, that's, you can't keep, you don't keep caring constantly. Yeah. I just want to get the thing done.

Yeah. And so it's like, that's all I care about. And the same with the exam, right? So you should probably want to get it done. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was just, luckily, what the saving grace for that exam for me was, I mean, at the time, it was fucking hard because I opened it. And it was the one subject I didn't study for, which was statistics. And I thought I bombed the exam. But luckily, me showing out up an hour and 10 late. And barely finishing on time. and trying to... He locked in. I did lock in, kind of.

I did badly in that exam, but so did everyone else. So my score got bumped up because everyone flunged in that exam. I was the guy that would fucking get there and it was a two-hour exam. I'd leave 40 minutes in, fucking grin on my face,

and I'd fucking fail. I'd be like... And I'd walk out and everyone's like, man, he must be so confident. And I'm like, I fucking fail. So yeah, you have a giant smile on your face and just thinking like, it's Jova. Because I was not the kind, and I feel like

you either wanted to, you know, you get, your exam is two hours. You get to an hour and 20. Yeah. You're like, all right, time to review. Yeah. And then you review. And you're like, okay. Do I, do I review or do I just say, look, it's done?

I was always like a, look, it's done. Yeah. I would leave. I fucking hate because everyone says, go back, check your work. And I'm like, I can't be fucked for this. No, because you know, the biggest stress in your life and everyone's done this is when you are done with the exam, you're like, all right, it's done, okay.

And then you've got 30 minutes left. You're walking through, you're going through it, you're like, all right, okay. And then you get to one, you're like, hold on. I think this is wrong, but I'm not sure. So then you start fucking scribbling everything out and you start riding like a fucking mad scientist and then now suddenly there's five minutes left.

Now you're like, fuck, fuck, fuck. And then you leave and you don't feel good about it. Because you rushed an answer that you think is right. But then you're like, I don't even know if I was right. Yeah, you second guess yourself. Yeah. And it's like, I ended that I didn't want that. And I was like, I end up stressing myself out more when I start second guessing.

I had that so many times in my math exams where I would, you know, be like a two-hour test. I'd be done like, hour and 30. And I'd be like, cool, let's start reviewing. But, you know, at this stage, I'm reviewing it. I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm pretty confident like all these. And yeah, I hit that maybe page or a couple of questions where I'm like, let me do this one again just in case. and you get a different answer.

And now you're like, all right, let me quickly fix that. And then you start second guessing yourself. And then you get the exam back and your first answer was correct all along. And I'm just like, I hate myself. Yeah. Why did I, if I just had left now,

I wouldn't have had to go on through that. What's the latest you should have been for anything? It's the latest you fucked up. Latest I've been for anything? Yeah, like, fucked up into something important. Like, yeah, like you'd be somewhere and you just showed up like ungodly late.

Oh. I feel like we're all pretty punctual guys normally. Yeah. Because I just gave me flashbacks to the, remember that Netflix shoot we did? It was like the first one. And which one? I think we were reacting to something.

Yeah. I don't know what it was. In that like dark studio? What? I can't remember which one it was in. Yeah. But I never oversleep. I don't know how this happened.

But I got a call at 2 p.m. Maylene waking me up, be like, where the fuck are you? And I was supposed to be there at 1.30. And I don't know how I would, because I don't even wake up at 2 p.m. normally. Yeah. So I don't know how the hell I managed to oversleep such a colossal amount on an important day. And then it was very fortunate. Gant saved me.

Gantt was called. The call time was after me. But I got there a little early and they put Gantt first. But I was in Saitama at the time. Yeah. And so I'd go from Saitaam off to Tokyo. It was like an hour. and a half to get to where we need to go.

And I was just to be there at 1.30 and it's 2.30 and I'm in bed. I don't remember that. I do kind of remember that because I was like, yo, it's Netflix. I got to show up early for this. Yeah, yeah. I was there like 30 minutes early. I felt so fucking bad because that was like the first time we'd ever worked with them. Yeah.

And I never late to anything. I'm always on time. So I was like, fuck, dude, the one time I somehow overslept. Yeah. And then fucking Moodan gave me the scare of my life recently. we were climbing up Fuji and you know whenever you wake up early for things

there's always a discussion of what time we're waking up you know and we were climbing Fuji and we had stayed in a hotel right next to Fuji the night before so it was like quite quite a lot you know we spent a lot of effort trying to arrange this and whatnot

and there was two times you get 5.30 or 6.30 which time do you think I wanted to go? 5.30. I wanted to go 5.30. Oh shit, okay. Everyone always thinks Moordown's the one I wanted to go up early.

I was like, bastards. Because he's got that energy. Yeah. Because he's, because he's Estonian. Yeah. And he's handsome. Everyone thinks he wakes up at 4 a.m.

A stoic ball. No, because it's Moodan. Yeah, that's Moodan. But so he wanted to wake up at 6.30. And I was like, I really feel like 530 is a good idea. Just give yourself enough time. You know, he doesn't be too safe.

Yeah. He's like, but Connor, I need sleep. I'll be dead. I was like, I was like, well, I can't really argue with that. If he thinks that he can't, he needs more sleep. I was like, all right, sure.

All right. We'll get up at 6.30 and we'll, or six it was, and we'll get the, um, okay, no, I tell a lie. It would mean waking up at 4.30 versus 5.30. I want to wake up 430. Right, right. And we'd have to get basically the first bus up, which hopefully gives enough time to climb up Fuji and come down. And so we decided ultimately 530, which is the later time slot. I was like, all right? So, you know, set my alarm and I go to bed. And then, you know, I'm asleep. And then I hear on my fucking door. Yeah. I'm my fucking.

Let's go on and I answer the door, like, mood. I'm like, oh, shit, I'm so sorry. I didn't realize I overslapped. He's like, oh, no, I just couldn't sleep. It's 4.30. Do you want to go? I was like, you bastard. So he didn't need sleep.

Yeah. So he was like, I couldn't sleep. Do you want to just go now? I was like, fuck, Rudy. So I ended up being like, yeah, okay, I'll get ready. Let's go. So I went and had like the quickest shower of my life and then. Well, that's not your fault.

That's mood. That's fault. But you know, that instant dread of someone having to wake you up. Yeah. Someone banging on your door, it is like un-unrivaled anxiety within the space of 0.1 seconds. Yeah.

Have you been like woken up by someone like that for something important? Like, someone's banging on your door? Uh, only my mom when I was like late for school and shit. The worst is when they would do that, they'd bang, wake you up, and they're like, I'm going now. You go back to bed and you fucking sleep through it. You're like, God damn it. I slept through it, man.

I had my own worst enemy. I knew I shouldn't have closed my eyes. Or it's that like thing where it's like, you're already like 30 minutes late for your bus to school or something. And then your mom comes in. It's just like, you're late. And it's like, cool. You could have woken me up a little bit earlier, you know?

But that's obviously my fault as well. Yeah, I don't know. I don't see, I'm always so scared to run into that moment of like feeling that dread. Yeah. Because it sucks. It's the worst feeling ever. Especially if you have people waiting for you as well.

Yeah. Even if it's not important, if it's just, if you have someone there that who will be disappointed if you're not there on time. So now I'm like, I'm extra careful now where I was just like, oh, I need to wake up at seven to get ready. I'll wake up, I'll put the alarm for 6.30. Well, I think it's just the worst because when you at least over sleep, you can't communicate that you yeah, you're going to be late. Yeah. And so nobody knows what the fuck has happened. There's no excuses you can make eye off. But you can normally assume if it's a morning thing. What's got. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I get the like, in.

Do you ever have that moment where you have like an important day coming up and you just can't sleep. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. At which hour do you call it? You're like, I'm going to stay up. Do you, I'm going to commit to stay up? You know, I've, I've really done a lot of thinking about this a lot.

Yeah. This has been a constant thing with jet lag. You have to really, yeah. Because Jetlag pretty much just does this to you. Exactly. Even if it's not a big thing next day, it would just be like, you're awake. And then you have to be like, do you decide, do I want to get up? Do I want to lie in bed?

I do think, and I don't know if there's any truth in this, but in my own weird mental thing, I do think they're like lying down and resting, even if I'm not sleeping, still gives me some mild amount of refreshment. Oh, yeah, no, definitely. And I feel like, so that's why sometimes I'm still hesitant to get up

and start doing stuff, because I know I'm going to be tired at like seven anyway, if I'm up from three. Yeah. I would love to know if closing your eyes and lying down still gives you some form of rest. I think so. I think it definitely does.

Like not looking at like no music, just like, even if it's your thoughts, because sometimes your thoughts are the fucking enemy, bro. Because I remember the one shoot. Calm your mind and help your muscles relax. Your blood pressure drops and your heart rate slows. It can also reduce stress. Yeah.

Because I, this is like, this was like a huge stress thing, like early on in my YouTube career where I knew I'd need to go to sleep before a shoot. And I started getting to the point where I was like, okay, I need to like pop some melatonin. I would need to pop some melatonin to help me to like make sure I get to bed. But my insomnia got so bad that, and I didn't take a lot of melatonin, just like a tiny bit. And I don't even recommend it, you know, I only used it when it was just like emergency emergency necessary. But the problem with melatonin is that if you pop it,

and you don't end up falling asleep, bro, you're fucked of next day. Yeah, you just feel groggy. Wait, is that possible to stay awake? Oh, yeah. You can fight through melatonin. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Man, anxiety is a big thing. For me, anxiety sometimes counteracts the melatonin. Wait, that's, when I had my surgery, they gave me drowsy meds. And I think I was just too anxious that I, that shit did nothing to it. Yeah. And then the moment of the surgery was done,

I passed out in the cab. Yeah, yeah. Because I know some people who like take melatonin, daily. Yeah, that scares me. But also, you know what I realized with that, though, this is like such a difference in upbringing because if you, you know, obviously not, I'm not trying to bash Americans because we always had a bashing Americans, but, you know, a lot of people I know that I feel like take military and they're like Americans. And so because like, it's just normal in America. It's readily available. Yeah, in the UK or Japan, you're going to get a prescription.

Yeah. It's a, it's a very hard thing. Well, not a hard thing. It's pretty easy to get if you just want to want to want to get it. It's more of a roundabout way. Like you, it's most certainly like harder than getting like drowsy meds. Yeah. Which is the same. Also, melatonin from what I understand is if you take it every day, then it just stops working. Because you get adjusted to it.

Your body gets adjusted to it. I just feel bad, you know, because I'm like, I don't know. It's like... I only take melatonin when it's like an absolute, like I need to sleep. Otherwise, I'm fucked the next day. I'm never taking it. I'm too scared to take it.

That's great because like if you... Because I'll maybe take it like, I don't know, once or twice a month on like where it's like, oh, I need to be up the next day and I'm extremely tired, but I can't fall asleep. And so it's just like, it's just a quick knockout. In my mind, like sleep feels like the most delicate thing that we do as humans. Like it's such a hard thing to do. I'm so terrified of messing with it in any capacity. Like, yeah. Yeah, because I remember the, like, the worst time it happened to me. The night before

our trash taste drifting special. This is back in the early days where we'd not get our own rooms. Yeah. And we'd all sleep in the same room, which we don't do anymore. Yeah. But I remember that night, I was like, oh shit, this is like first big shoot. Yeah. And for that time, we spent a lot of money to make this shoot happen. Early on in our

careers, fucking Chris was there as well, you know, a big, big plan shoot. And I remember we're all sitting in the same room and I'm like, all right, I'm getting a bit sleepy. I should pop a melatonin. And I pop the melatonin. And I remember we were up chatting for a little bit. And I was like, okay, I'll stay up with the banter just a little bit.

Giggling in the dark. Just giggling in the dark. In the back of my mind, I'm just like, Gant, shut up. You need to go to sleep. You need to go to sleep. Stop banter. Yeah. And I remember we all get silent, right? And I'm like, okay.

In my mind, I'm like, get rid of this anxiety, you need a good night's sleep. You need a good night's sleep. Fucking Chris just like, just goes, and I'm like, oh, no. No, it wasn't even that. It was just, it was just a. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, that, that is such an anxiety spike for me.

Because even though it's short, I'm like, you're, it's like the omen. It's like, you got to fall asleep right now. You got to fall asleep right now. Yeah. You have got 10 minutes. Well, that's why I, it's like, whenever I had shared room with Chris lately, I had to like, I'd like beg him, like, please. can I fall asleep first?

Like, because once I'm asleep, it's good. Yeah. So please. I just don't share a room with them anymore. Well, I mean, sometimes you just can't, right? Yeah. I'm like, I don't want to sleep in the dragon's den.

That's what it fucking sounds like. Smorgs lair. Yeah. Do you ever, do you guys ever have to like get up in the dead of night to go to the toilet or anything? Yeah, I've gone to that age now. I realize I have to pee at least once every. At least once every night? Yeah.

Oh, shit. Yeah, it's every other night, I'd say. Oh, my God. I have to, if I don't want to pee at night now, I have to not drink water, like two or three hours before bed. Do you know what? Do you know what I've had to, like, start consciously doing? Right.

If I have a dinner and there is spicy food there, I cannot eat it. If it's past the hours of, I think, like, 8 p.m. If I'm having a late dinner, it can't be. spicy food. Otherwise, I will take a shit in the middle of the night. And to me, taking a shit is 100% worse than taking, like, getting woken up to take a piss. Dude, the 2 a.m. shits are just some of the most like, you'd be sitting on the toilet in the dark and just like, what the fuck am I doing? You're like, shooting at 2 a.m. I've had some nights where I've had like a big dinner,

and I'm just like, yeah, 2 a.m. shit. Sometimes it's the spicy food and you feel, you, like, Spicy food is one of those shits where you cannot like get off the toilet until it's all out because you will feel it like gurgling. You'll feel like gurgling in there. And the problem we're taking like shits, like, like 3 em shits is that I feel like when I go up to take a piss, I'm like on the clock, right? I'm trying to piss and then do my business and then sleep before my mind catches up and wakes up. Yeah, yeah. But when I fucking take a shit, I have to go through the process of re-going to, you know what I mean?

You have to walk in. Yeah, yeah, I have to like, because like, after your mind starts getting active, I'm like, no, no, no, mind, stop thinking, stop thinking. But when you take your shit, you're just like, you have to be there for a while. And your mind naturally wakes up. Yeah, with a piss, with like a 3 a.m. piss in the night, you can kind of still do it like half sleep. Yeah. You know, you just like sit down, do it, and then it's done. But with the shit, it's like, once it starts coming out, you are awake.

It's just like, oh, this is happening. And I'm like, those are the nights I'd never get a good night's sleep because I wake up. and then go back to sleep. Yeah. I find that really hard to do. For me, I'm like one session. I cannot like, I find, to me, like, blows my mind when people can wake up at seven and then just go back to sleep.

Oh, I can do that. You can do that? No, for me, once sunlight hits, and I know there's sunlight there, I'm like, I'm, I'm the master of double dipping in sleep. Like, there's been so many mornings, especially recently, because I've been going to bed like 11 recently, that I would wake up, ran. at like six in the morning. And I look at the clock and be like,

oh, alarm doesn't go off for another two hours. That is the best feeling. It's the best feeling. When you wake up and you're not tired? Yeah, you're not tired and you still go like two hours before. All you have to be up,

it's just like, yes. It's great. It does feel amazing. Yeah. It's so weird. I take so long to fall asleep the first time around,

but doing double dipping, I can do it in an instant. Do you have any wake up tricks, stuff that helps you wake up instantly or wake up fast? What's your wake-up routine look like? My wake-up routine? I would just, I would turn my alarm off and then I would immediately sit up.

That's my way of waking up. Because if I'm lying down on the bed, then I can very easily just knock back out again. So I actively like sit up on the bed and just kind of, you know, start the processor in my brain and be like, all right, it's morning, let's go. And then once I'm up and out of bed, I'm away. where you got? I don't know. I don't have an instant wake-up routine. No matter what, it takes me like two hours to wake up

unless I'm on jet lag, in which case. Yeah. In which case it's just like that. Do you have one? Yeah, I chug like half a liter of water. Yeah, a glass of water in the morning is great. Instantly wakes you up, bro.

Because you just got so much liquid inside of you, and you're like, oh, okay. It's like, fill me up. Yeah, if you want to wake up instantly, I highly recommend keeping like a big glass of water next to your bed and chugging it when you wake up.

Yeah. Something about chugging wakes you up. I think it is like actually scientifically proven for it to be like the best thing to do when you wake up. Is chugging water wake you up? I have heard that like drinking a glass of water in the morning is the best thing you can do in the morning. Well, because I don't because now I can't fucking drink water right before bed,

which I used to do. So you're just dry as far. So now I go to bed, not, not thirsty, but not not having drank water for quite a while. And then I, there you got. Drinking water when you wake up offers plenty. Offers plenty. and improve your health and give you a great start to the day.

Cucumber and mint. No, that's too fucking fancy, does. I think I just fucking drink water. It's great. What is Japan, Japanese water therapy? What the fuck of anything is water? The practices of drinking four to five glass of water first thing in the morning. Four to five glasses of water.

First thing in the morning? Bro, it's got to be the orange juice glasses. There's no way it's like, it can't be the mug. It can't be a trash taste mug. I mean, like, I have like a, a, 500-millimeter glass bottle that I dishwashed all the time. I fill that up. Room temp.

The moment I wake up, fucking poop. Yeah, I just have a, I just have like a bottle of water next to my bed at all time. So like if in the middle of the night I'm feeling thirsty, I can sip on it. It's a question. Let's say trash taste hypothetically is recording for some reason at 9 o'clock. PM. A.m. 9 a.m. Oh, 9 a.m.

And let's say you've got to leave your house at like 8.30. I get that. Right. What time are you waking up? 7.30. 7.30. Oh, I'll do an 8 or an 810. Oh, yeah. I've seen, I've done that before. I'll do an 8 or 8.10. Okay, so for example, like, you know, normally for trash days, we have to be here around on an average day, like 11 in the office. It takes me at least an hour to get to the office. So I have to be out of the house by, let's say, 9.45. I'm usually waking up at like 8.30, sometimes 8. So, like, what are you doing in that hour? Well, I'm taking my time to wake, because my, my brain, takes a while to start up. So I'm like making,

I'm making myself a coffee or like doing, you know, a couple of chores around the house that I can get done. The act of, okay, the act of getting up doing this thing going out, that I did, the idea that stresses me out. I need to mean. The salary man lifestyle. Okay, okay. So I, I can do an 8, 10 or 8 o'clock wake up, but that just means I have no time for myself, you know. I agree with that. Yeah, I don't leave time. for myself. I try to do that on the commute. Yeah. Like, look at my phone and reply to things.

The worst feeling for me is like the feeling of rushing first thing in the morning. Yes. I hate that feeling. No, the worst one for me is that my morning routine takes about 15 minutes. And the YouTube video I want to watch is 18. I'm like, fuck, I gotta find three minutes. Yeah. No, do you guys feel that the way you start of the morning kind of dictates your mood for the day? Yeah. Oh, totally. Yeah. If I could, I would always have 30 minutes to myself to relax in the morning. I always have a better day because of it. But I just never do give myself that time

because I think I'd want the 30 minutes for sleep. Right. Now, to me, I prioritize that 30 minutes de-stress. Okay, question, you mentioned doing chores in the morning. I've never done chores in the morning. Oh, really? I love doing chores at like 11 p.m. or 12 p.m. No, that's the worst.

Nah, that's the worst. Because I'm in bed by then, bro. My day's done. Well, yeah, but I am a big lover of going to bed, checking my phone for 20 minutes, boom, I'm out. Like, I do not like, I don't really enjoy sitting in bed doing nothing or like watching TV for like two hours. Oh, I go, because I have a routine now where I read for at least an hour before I go to bed. So that sounds nice. So that's like my way of like distressing before bed.

But for me, it's like, oh, yeah, I can go take my trash out and I can get all this shit sorted. I'll do that and I'll go right to bed and I'll feel so cold. Now, I do it in the morning because then it's out of the way. And then I don't have to think about it until tomorrow. I do it in midday. I do love a midday chore session too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Midday two, like break up the routine that you go.

Maybe you're like, oh yeah, no, maybe you're in work and you're like, I've got to do something else. That's the thing, though, with chores, is that if you're working from home, there's always a chore you can do in the middle of your work day at home, right?

So it's like, you know, if I would have a day where I'm home all day working on a video, whatever it might be, and I want to break it up and I'll be like, I'll look around the house and be like, well, there's these three chores that I have to do,

might as well do it. But if it's like today, for example, where I'm at the office all day, then I'm like, oh, there's dishes in the sink. I'll clean that up before I go. And that also wakes me up. Doing that process wakes me up before I leave the house. I guess I don't have that many chores to do. I have a dishwasher. I do as well. I load up the dishwasher. I do that every night. I do it every night. I do it every night. I do it every night. I do it in the morning. Because I don't want to do it a night. But don't you want all the clean stuff for the morning? I mean, yeah, but the clean stuff is the stuff that I got done in the morning. I don't know. Sometimes you have a bang of meal and you're like, I'll clean this up in the morning. Yeah. No. Yeah.

Clean this up in. Totally. I'll just put some water in that bitch. Let us sit in the sink. I always clean the night of, dude. Nah. Speaking of the spicy shit thing you mentioned, the other night, I went out with a friend. I had a couple of drinks.

And I didn't get by too late. Like, maybe like 11. And I was kind of peckish, but I didn't want to order anything. I had a bunch of instant ramen in my house. And I had like two eggs in the fridge and I was like, oh, I'm a chef it up. Yeah. Makes him some of some ramen.

Korean noodles. Yeah. Black bean. Throw a fried egg on top. Yeah. Chef's kids. Started eating it. Didn't realize it was like the lava packet.

But I mean, I'd already made it. I made the fucking egg for fuck's sake. Yeah. Yeah. I'm in this. You can't back out now. So I finished it and I just had the horrible pain all night. Yeah.

With my stomach. Just fighting for its life. And this was like really hot. Even for me, this was really hot. this is a bit of a piss take. I was really struggling and I really regretted it. And I had Indom Me right there. I should have just done the

Indomime. I was a fucking idiot man. And I realized the Korean Instant noodles are way thicker than they are. Oh yeah. I was like, fucking hell. I'm getting like, I'm getting carb loading. I'm carb loading but I'm getting waterboarded by spicy black bean noodles. I'm like oh, oh, it's so good.

But oh! Oh, you picked that. I did, I did. I haven't had instant noodles is so long, but it's so hard. Yeah, God, I haven't had instant noodles in a long time. I just haven't, you know what I've noticed? I haven't eaten ramen in a long time. Yeah, because

ramen takes a lot on the soul. I don't get the urge to go out and eat ramen anymore. Well, do you want to bless my mind when I see Reddit? And people are like, this is everything I ate in the week in Tokyo. And it'll be seven bowls of ramen. I'm like, Lord have mercy on this man's blood level. Yeah.

Blood pressure. When you're on holiday. I know, I know. You take pictures and you're like, God damn, I don't want to see how many calories I insert. I don't know. Like, I never eat ramen anymore because when I'm in Japan, I'm always on my fucking health arc. Yeah. And then I go travel, which is often. And then I'm not on my health arc. And me living my normal life is me catching up to all the shit I did while I'm traveling.

Yeah, true. I think I eat most ramen when I'm doing cycle thong. Because I don't feel bad about eating like 2,000 calories in a single bowl. That's fair. And it feels amazing after you've been cold all day and putting the soup. But I think, I feel like I don't deserve ramen half the time. Kind of, kind of been a slob, you know. I don't really deserve a giant bowl of calories.

What's your cheat day meal? When you're like... Cheat day meal? Yeah, you are in Japan, but you're like, I feel like treating myself today. I don't want to do, I don't want to do chicken breasts again. Cheat day meal. Yeah, what do you rethink or going out to eat? Probably like yakikiniku.

Yaki Niki? Yeah, Yakinikiniku is like cheat. Is Yikinikiki? For me, it is. Fuck, I'm fuck. That's the healthy one for me. That's just meat and veg, isn't it? What the fuck?

Yeah, but it's a lot of meat. It's good for you, protein. Yeah, but it's also like 3,000 calories sometimes, you know? It's a lot. I don't count the fucking calories. I'm going for yakikatoi tonight. That's good for you. Because I'm also drinking like a beer next to that or like a high ball or, you know, something.

Rice, you know, it's a lot of food, bro. I don't eat rice at Yakinikini Q. No, I do. Sometimes I do. Sometimes I do. I do. I do. Yeah, for me it's pasta. I don't know. Oh, really? That's a regular for me. Oh, shit. I see, I don't like, this is, this is the, the, the part about trying to stay healthy. We are like, I don't know what, because I know the really bad foods for me. I know, I got those down.

Yeah. Burgers. Yeah. Donald's. I'm like easy. I know that. I know that. I have the really healthy foods. I mean, like, I should be eating all the time. Yes. Yeah. But then when, like, you mentioned, like, it's like a carbonara. I feel like it's okay. Yeah. It's fine to have a just a carbonara. Carbonara. Carbonara is the neutral meat. for me. Like, that's fine, right? To have a carbonara, right? Like, I mean, it's not healthy for me, but it's not terrible for me, I think. Yeah. And so I'm at this point where I start feeling bad for eating literally anything. Like, I had a birriani.

I'm like, I know it's just rice and meat, but like... Oh, I would feel bad for eating. It's not that bad. It wasn't that much food. And I was like, is it should I feel bad for this? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Like, I eat like, a lot of, like, breads and rice and pasta. And I know that I shouldn't be eating it as much

as I am, but, like, like, You're gonna have to fight me to get me away from those because I'm packing it away. I just don't want to live if I can't enjoy a good curry or a birriani. Yeah. Or a pasta? I mean, what's the fucking point of being around here? Yeah. It's just miserable enough as it is.

To me, it just makes the, uh... Don't bring this shit up, guy. Look, I know it's hard. Don't make me feel bad. Look, look, I know. Look, I know it's bad for me. But isn't really that bad if I just have one carbonara? Yeah.

Can a man not enjoy a carbonara in the comfort of his own have? A succulent Italian soil. Cuculent? Is it a crime to enjoy this? So what is it a cheap meal for you then? Bro, like fucking fried chicken. Like, you know what I mean? Like objectively.

Like yad yum chicken or some shit? Yeah, like, just saying that there's no qualms about, is it bad for me? I'm not. See, I put fried chicken in the same level as carbunara and biryani in terms of like cheap meal for me. No. What? Mentally, mentally I do. I mean, you're probably like right.

You're probably right. I don't know. I'm not a nutritionist. And the reason I don't have ramen anymore is because on the, like, level of cheat meal, that's so down there in terms of like what I'm craving. I feel like we've been warped by, like, you know, social media and diet culture. It's like, I genuinely struggle to let myself, no, I do enjoy these things. I tell a lot. I was going to say let myself enjoy these foods without at least thinking once, like, oh, I don't know if I'm allowed to eat this.

I should be. And I'm like, does it fucking matter? It's a fucking carbonara. Just eat it. Yeah. It's fucking tasty. Now, even for me, right, like, when it comes to like the not wanting to eat ramen, I've recently caught myself being like, hmm, okay, do I want to eat a ramen or do I want to like go and get like Italian, like a pasta? Yeah. And nine times out of ten now, I'd rather go and get the pasta. But is there that, what's the difference between the pasta and the ramen in this case? What's I don't know. I feel less, in a weird way, I feel less guilty eating the pasta. I mean, ramen is heavy. It is heavy. It is a lot of salt. It's a lot of salt. It's a lot of fats and a lot of carbs, which I'm sure is also in the pasta. But I don't know, I feel less guilty eating the pasta. Also, generally speaking, I will say, like, the portions of food you get in ramen is a lot higher than your average pasta size in Japan. Because ramen is meant to be the, you know, it's meant to be, you know, you're working on your fucking construction site. You're going to get a fucking bowl of ramen. You're fucking good for the day. Yeah.

Like, it's meant to be a very extremely filling food. Yes. I don't think it's designed for, like, the office worker to be having every day. Yeah. Not great for the lifestyle. Because, like, I would also, like, if I wanted Japanese-style noodles, for instance, if I was in a very, like, craving that very niche type of meal, I would rather just go, like, get sober or something.

Because I feel, again, less bad. Yeah, sober's, like, yeah, I feel not as guilty. Yeah, sober's, like, way better for you than ramen. So I'm just like, I'm just like, I'd rather. I'd probably just get that, you know. I don't know. Maybe it's the lack of good ramen places around my house, which is a grace, I guess.

I don't know. I find myself eating a lot less. There were some meals that I feel like were in my diet a lot more before I started being like more health conscious. Because now if I want to eat, it has to be like really, really tasty. And really really up there for me like,

okay, I'm taking a day off to enjoy this meal, you know? I don't know. Weird. Yeah, weird. I don't know. But hey, let us know in the comments below if you still eat ramen in your 30s. Let us know. Let us know. How many balls of ramen do you eat when you comes to Japan in a week? But hey, look at all these patrons. I bet they eat seven bowls of ramen in a week. Please don't do that. It's terrible for you. But in the meantime, what you can do is if you are following us over on the Patreon, then you can watch Patreon exclusive content that we upload every single week. We have a brand new one that you guys can go check out right after this episode. But hey, if you want to check that out and support the boys in the process. Hit on over to patreon.com slash trash taste. Also

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