Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn - Andrea Jin Was NOT Expecting This

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

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After you place your order, be sure to let them know we sent you. Select podcast in the survey and be sure to select our show in the drop-down menu that follows. You don't have a communal brain. I don't. I know that about you. But I've also fully accepted it about you because. Oh, I know you have. I could tell.

Yeah. But yeah, you don't have a communal brain. Yeah, because I'm a sister. I'm a sister. I'm a family and a real family member. Wait, you're not an only child? Yeah. You just behave like one?

Yeah. Yeah. We should talk about this. Communal brain and not community brain. I have no communal brain. And whenever like you show your communal brain, I go, wow. Yeah. Yeah.

That's so cool. Yeah. I like to remember bits and pieces about people, like important things that I know are important to them. And I like to show that you remember. Yeah, like I like to come around full circle and be like, hey, I thought about you. Are you a good gifter? I'm not a thoughtful gifter.

That's like what I can't really do. Okay, so give me an example of, okay. Like, let's say, it's your birthday. It's my birthday. And everything you know about me so far, what are you gifting Esther? What are you gifting me? This is terrifying. We have to all do it because I,

I have so fucked. I have got nothing. I have a couple things already in my head. You already know? Yes. I don't know. I'd be like, okay, she's Filipino. Filipino flag.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think she likes me. I get you a jersey. I would love that. A Filipino, like a flag jersey? I love those ones, those old school ones. Good to know. Yeah.

See, now I will blank that. So I just went through this with my friend who turned 40. She has everything. She has great stuff. She's amazing. She's like an amazing gifter. Yeah, that's the hardest person. Yes.

When they're good at it. Oh my God. It's so much pressure. I think there are people truly that are very hard to gift. Why is that? Impossible to gift. I kept like second guess. I'm like,

do I not know this bitch? Like, she's one of my best friends. Like, how do I not know exactly what to get? I think it's because you know that there's going to be judgment. That part. Yeah.

I think I'm afraid that she's going to be like, oh, thanks. Which is literally how I would. react if you got me a gift. I would, because I can't hide it if I don't like it. Okay. So I would ruin you. Okay. I'm trying to think about you and one thought I had was like a vintage t-shirt, but then I would second guess and I wouldn't do it because it's like it's not going to fit the right way. It's like, it's not going to work out. If you know me at all, you know that like I care so much when someone thinks about me in that way and they're like, hey, I like this thing. It may not fit you. I will treasure it forever. Like I'm so thankful for it. Like, even,

Even if it doesn't fit me, I'm like, oh, my goodness. An angel. Come on, my mom, I missed you so. Oh, my God. It looks pain. She looks really good today. Really? Yeah.

I'm beeping with Andrea over this all the time because every time. Oh, because of her hair. She leaves our house with long, beautiful locks. And then Andrea sends me a picture the next day of Pingu completely shaven. Oh, my, Pingu looks really, really good today. Did you just cut her? No, this is like a month of. a month after a month of growing it out.

I know. I know you don't like the shave, but like... Wait, can I show you something? I just shave my dog. She looks fucking crazy. Yeah. I just think it's, like, funny. I know you think it's funny.

I feel like I'm getting another flavor of donut right now. She's so much like my dog. Really? Yes. We have to, if you were to get anyone on this panel a gift, what would you get us? Do you know enough? Do you think you're a good gifter? I doubt it.

Oh. Read? Stand up comedian. Selfish. Selfish. We're selfish. But you know she does have communal brain. Yeah.

Because she comes over to my place with like cookies and like gifts. I really do not have. Like the last time she went on the road, she came back with all these like gifts for me. You really do accept me for who I am. Yes. I'm really seeing that clearly. Yeah, yeah. Every time I just, more and more I see how you really accept me.

Be thankful, okay? Why? Because you don't do it. Any of the stuff she likes? I just am not community. I am not community. Let's say you're meeting up with a friend to go to Jenna's house, say, for instance. And it's lunchtime. Are you calling her and being like, hey, I'm on the road.

Like, what can I pick up for you? Of course not. No. Around lunchtime and we didn't talk about lunch? You're going to someone's house, though. Yeah, I'll ask. Yeah. I'll be like, can I pick you up something?

Yeah. I would literally never even think about that. I would be, I'm just trying to get there on time. Oh. Yeah. Wait, why are you so upset? I'm upsetting. I need to practice this.

Because your automatic thinking is she's going to want to eat. I should get her something. Yeah. Or like I'm here already. So I should if they want something. Oh, if you're already getting food. Yeah, because nothing would piss me off more than someone coming to my place knowing and then they bring their own lunch and they haven't brought me anything.

Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Oh, no. If I'm getting something, I would check it. Are you be sure? There's a little hesitation there. Honestly, I'm not sure.

I'm not sure if I would. I would check in because I wouldn't want to eat in front of you while you're just sitting there going, okay, what? But you are very frugal, right? I like to save money. So do I. Nothing wrong with that. Hey, I'm a great saver. Historically, my mom will tell you like the best saver ever.

I believe that. I'm shocked by some of your behaviors. I believe that. Yeah. I have been told I am very self-absorbed. The way you delivered that. Like, it's, they told you, like, you have dense breast tissue. Like, it's just a fact.

It's nothing. They told you to pernuvoscan. Yeah. It's like a slight scoliosis. I, but I haven't. Incidental finding. Yeah, yeah. Self-absorption.

I don't know. Do you guys feel selfish? Yeah. No. No. I don't think so. You're others first? Mm-hmm.

That is very interesting. Yeah, she's not selfish. But don't you think she's giving off selfish? No. Giving off? Like, she presents. Yeah. Like, you're, like, kind of quieter.

You dress dark colors. I feel like quieter is, I'm trying to make sure everyone feels like they've talked and they have space to speak. But as I've gotten to know Andrea more, like, She has a very, like, fundamental, like, morality about her that I really like. There's, like, principle. Wow. So you're saying me and Peter don't know. Yeah, we're just trash.

We have no morals. We're the trash Tuesday. You're the Tuesday. I think you're, like, very boundary, which I very, like, much respect and envy. But you're for sure, like. Me first. Yeah, yeah, me first. Yeah.

And I have family member that's, like, that are, like, they're, like, I think they're givers and takers in this life. Mm-hmm. Okay, I hear you. This is, I just want to defend. This is the way that I was raised and it's not good and I'm working on it. Like, even today, I was driving out of my neighborhood. I saw one of my neighbors and we waved and I go, wow, that feels good.

That's good. And like, five, ten years ago, don't look at me. Don't look at you. Same. I really had this like mentally ill mentality of like don't have small talk, don't talk to others. like and it's not it's not good i'm learning that i want to show up with brownies wait that's mentally ill that's that's not because i feel as i have the same thing but i thought i was a new yorker i think that's different though i don't bother me i won't bother you i think that's different the whole like

waving to neighbors like i'm not like um i'm not particularly like warm right like out of the gate with neighbors like it it takes time that's more of a big city person thing maybe yeah i i don't Because the alternative is worse for me, like a neighbor who's just all up in my shit all the time. I haven't lived with Bobby in four and a half years. And his neighbor still texts me and be like, what's happening in there? Some construction going on? That would be me. I'm smelling a little dust.

Oh, God. And I'm like, yeah, there's construction. Just, you know, redoing, remodeling a bathroom. But like, he needs to know. That's weird. And I'm like, what's the two user? Yeah. We're already in such an intimate setting.

of living next to each other yeah that's enough like i don't need to be oh let's exchange everything you guys are now being anti-community now i should know what your neighbors are up to if it's if you're hearing the noise or you're smelling i think it's very neighborhood to neighborhood where bobby lived i had no like i absolutely did not want to engage with anyone like if you saw the next door chat for that particular neighborhood it was like i don't want to know these people i don't want to and then my Altadena neighborhood, the best. We talked every day. I had neighbors who would come across the street and be like, hey, like your cars parked on

the wrong side. Like, you know, and they were the freaking best. Real community. I'm in Boyle Heights right now, which is very like Mexican families. And my neighbor, shout out Lydia. She is like in her 70s, 80s and she just got this giant husky. And she's like, I wish someone would take him on walks. I'm like

I'm like that like Homer Simpson I don't want to engage And she keeps passive aggressive She's like Because I'm like washing my two dogs You know giving them bath That's like a whole ordeal It's an afternoon

And she goes Aw Your dogs are getting a bath My dog could never get a bath Because I'm too old And I'm like Oh my God And I never offer

Because I'm like That's just going to be like a chain of events I'm with you. It's the chain of events. It's if you give a mouse a cookie, they'll want a glass of milk to go with it. Yeah. I go, oh, that's too bad. I hope he gets washed. Okay, let's talk about liars.

Okay. Well, we just recently had someone give us a crazy excuse and it felt like too big of a story that it feels like a lie. It made me think like on one hand, I love a lie. like especially on a podcast would be so fun like because they're just going to entertain you Peter was like, well are you trying to catch them in the lie and I'm like no and like I think the scariest thing is to catch a liar and a lie like you you want to just let them be because what what is catching them it's like that's dangerous there's a part of me that's like so justice oriented where I'm like I need to fucking get this like even if you know there's like a pathology to it like

You know that you created that justice in that moment. Yeah. They're just going to keep. Keep doing it? Yeah. And attacking you. It's not getting defensive. That's bad.

Yeah. It's like scary. Has anyone been lied to in a really crazy way? Yeah. Probably. Oh, my God. Probably. I just believe everyone though.

Oh, so you haven't like found out yet? No, I don't think so. I feel like everyone has one big liar in their life. And then they like learn about. they're like, oh, that's what it's like to deal with a liar. Like, I dated a big liar and everyone would tell me this person's lying to you. This person's lying to you. And I would be like, you know, whatever.

And then I eventually found out. And then it's like, okay, now you kind of know what are the signs and what are the differences between like lies that are inappropriate and maybe the ones that are a little okay. Yeah, because I think that there is, there are levels to the game always. And I do think that in some ways, I would rather almost know. a good liar, meaning they lie for the right reasons versus a bad truther, which is they only tell the truth to be cruel. Like there are people who are who call themselves like truth tellers.

Well, really they, for sport almost, like they have a hard on for hurting. And I'm like, that's no longer just the truth. That's just cruelty. Like there are so many times where it's like a moment doesn't need. At the absolute truth. The declaration of truth. Sometimes you just let it pass because someone's already hurting. This is the exact thing that's going on with Rhode Island right now.

Do you guys watch Housewives of Rhode Island? I haven't started the Rhode Island one. Okay. Is that the one with Jared and Ashley? No. Oh, it is. From The Bachelor? Yes.

Yes. It's the exact situation we're talking about. Like someone being like, I'm here to like tell you the truth while this person's like, it's not about that. Like, I'm hurting. And, you know, it's. Not surprising. that that person is on a real housewives.

Yes, exactly. Yeah. It's like the whole arc of the latter half of the season is exactly what you're talking about. For me, if you lie about really simple things that aren't lie worthy, then you're gonna lie about bigger things. 100%. Okay, so you're not into the white lies.

It depends. I'm telling you, there's levels. There's levels. It also depends on my relationship with the person. Some people can lie and it's like, okay, you're not in my family. I don't care or lie, whatever. It's not your lies are not my business. Yeah. Knowing that it's a lie or a truth.

It doesn't like it's almost too weird. Like I know that you are all about like the justice seeking, but to me it gets like a little strange like wanting to prove a lie. Then I don't know. I feel like you're kind of the weirdo. I am a little weird about that. Yeah. I don't know.

Andrea, where are you at? I don't know. Because I guess I just believe everyone. You're just still. And I'm like, wait, has anyone lied to you before? I was like, who's lied to me? Oh, how do you detect a lie? Well, when it's like so out of pocket, like,

but when people tell me something, I'm like, oh, wow, that's crazy. Well, I think that the reason we are covering this right now is because a person told us, like, this group, an excuse that felt like a really crazy lie. And it was a person who already had, like, some lie history. A reputation of lie. Yeah. I've had really weird things happen in my life, and I'm sure a lot of people have where I've had to cancel certain things. And then I'll be like, oh, no, this happened.

It feels like I'm lying, but I'm not, you know? There's been instances of that. And so then when other people come up with something crazy, I'm always like, oh, something weird and crazy happened to you. You know, like, I've never, I'm never like, this is obviously a lie. But, like, if someone has a history of it, then. You know, I actually think that I learned a really hard life lesson about being too suspicious of lies. And I think that's like why I feel this way is because when I was in college, this guy that I had a crush on asked me out on a date. And I was like, I couldn't believe it.

Like, is this real? Because I was so insecure. Like, I just was, I couldn't believe it. And then sure enough, day of the date, he texts me, got into a car accident. I can't like come pick you up. like my car is not you know working and I'm like I knew it like I knew that I was just like being tricked or messed with like I'm not pretty like why would he ask me on a date and so I literally text it back I'm like you know what it's all good like we don't have to go on a date and he was just

like okay like I basically like I basically was like let's it's it's done you know close the door three hours later I see on his Facebook like when we had like photo albums of like his car getting towed oh and I'm like Oops. And I feel like there was no going back. Like I'd already showed like a little too craziness. Like, you know. Especially because something terrible just happened for him.

Right. He was having a bad day and you're like, you know what? Fuck it. We're not going to go on a date. Yeah. Instead of being like, hey, do you need help? Yeah. Right.

Which could have been a very like bonding moment. Like, oh shit. Like, where are you at? And I feel like everyone deals with it differently. But I feel like to the liar, it's a more, if they were lying. and you're more sympathetic, they would feel worse about lying. Yeah. Yeah.

And then you're like extra thirsty for them. You're like, can I help you? Like that would just be so, I was too insecure to even go there. Yeah. But obviously that sounds more. What a bitch. He's already having such a bad day. You're on the highway.

Like, no, thank you. I'll feature anything. Yeah. I don't even want cheesecake factory. I have been practicing. lying to spare feelings, which is something that has been hard for me historically. Are you like Jenna and you can't lie to be nice? It's a little hard for me.

Yeah, it's hard for me too. Really? It's hard to lie. Some of my friends are so good at it. They're like, oh, but your feelings. But because I don't think about people's feelings, I don't think about my feelings or anyone's feelings. So it's not like I'm like, oh, me, I'm sad. It's like I'm just not thinking about feelings.

No feelings. Zero feelings. Okay. Yeah. So like I'm practicing trying to think about people's feelings. Are you someone who has to like inject your opinion in that moment or could you withhold? Not even lie, but just withhold. I'm better at withholding now.

But I'm someone who's always like because it's always like it's very self-involved. Like if you're telling me a story about something, I'm going, oh, how do I apply myself into that thing? because that's how I relate to you but it comes off as very much like oh but this is what I think about it this is how I feel about it and the person who's telling talking to me is like I don't give a fuck

like it's about me it's about me it's about me and I'm like oh right this is not a time for me to be applying myself out loud like I could think about that in my head but like I don't have to like say it out loud to you but I feel like that is such a like

great awareness on your part because I don't there are many 40 years that just never get there where you're like oh wait this isn't about me they don't understand that concept of this isn't about me right yeah I like ever like they it's almost like they have no interest in the conversation period if they cannot apply themselves yeah I think where these people like me are coming from is like oh how do I relate yeah but it comes off the wrong one way. Well, that's what I'm kind of working on too is like stopping myself from saying me too.

When someone is telling me like a good experience and even if I've like, let's say like, oh my God, I went to Jollybee and I'm my favorite thing is the sweet spaghetti. And I really want to be like, oh my God, yeah, me too. Like instead I just, it's their moment to tell me about their sweet spaghetti and I don't need to to like jump in there and say like, what? So what do you say that? That's crazy. I don't know how to have a conversation. That's really crazy. And you go, sweet what? Yeah, sweet spaghetti. Tell me about it. What's your favorite part about a sweet or a spaghetti?

Like, doesn't it, doesn't it annoy you when you tell someone like, I've been having like a lot of joint pain lately or, and then they're like, oh my God, me too. And it's like, wait, I'm telling you about my joint pain. You know what? Why are you stealing my symptoms? I do get annoyed. Like, with food, if someone's relating like that they love something that I love as well,

I don't get annoyed. But for some reason, if it's like pain or specific, experiences yeah and they they go like yeah yeah and like they act as though they know exactly what i'm going through that annoys me a little bit i feel like because i have been through a whole scale of life events yeah it's hard for someone to be like hey this is happening to me that it didn't already happen to me that's where i'm stopping myself from being like don't say it happened to you too colila why but i find it so comforting when you say stuff because it's not me in that moment especially if they're venting, it's not about me.

They should have their moment to tell me everything about it without it being my experience. It's their experience. Yeah, so I need to figure out when you're venting and when we're relating. That's my biggest thing. Ask V or R. Do you want to just friends?

I've actually been asking my partner about that. Do you want me to, do you want a vent or do you want a solution? Yeah, no, that's a real thing. I've had that I've had friends teach me where like I call, call with a problem. They're like, do you just want to be heard or do you want like advice? Yes. I'm a person where I'm pretty much never going to say no to advice.

I always want solutions, help, coaching, whatever. Whereas I have learned the hard way. Most people don't want that. A lot of people don't want that. I don't think I've ever called anyone to vent. Yeah. Literally ever in my life. Really?

I find it a burden. Wait, you think you're the burden? Yeah. No. So I don't do it. Okay. Who are you venting to? Because I feel as though when I receive someone's like tough day, it's, I feel like it's an honor.

Because it's like they feel close to me to tell me this. And they think somehow like I'm a safe place and I feel like we're closer. Yeah. So like who are you venting to? I guess to Eric. He feels like a safe place. Yeah. Like if I had a shitty day, I'll like say something.

But like I don't vent to anyone else. Yeah. No, I hear you. But just know that there are people out there. You like that when people call you? I love it. That's such a relief to hear. When you vent to me, like even this morning, when you text it and you're like, does this ever go away?

I'm like, I can't even text back. I got to like talk to her in person. No, it's so human. It makes me feel closer to you. Yeah, me too. I have that too. Yeah. Where it's just like, oh, you're opening up.

That's nice. Instead of just being grumpy. Because some people are just grumpy and then I'm like, oh, what's wrong? And they don't say anything. And then now we have a wall. Yeah. You know? But then if you tell me what's wrong, then it's like, oh, yeah, that sounds terrible.

Yeah. Do you give advice? Maybe at the end if there's some empty space, but then during it, I'm like, that's bad. That's bad. I hate that person. Yeah. Nothing feels better. And you're like, fuck that bitch. Yeah. But do you guys ever then as vent as good recipients of venting? Like, do you ever get in those cycles or those situations where a person will vent the same thing over and over again, day and day out? And then you start to go, oh, they're never hearing me or like they're, this is just what you get stuck in a cycle with them. Yeah. I'm, I'm acutely aware when that happens. And I usually tell the person, hey, like, you're telling me the same thing over and over and over again. Like different day, same fucking saga. Like, what's going on?

You might, if we're close enough. Yeah. Right. But usually if it's someone like I don't know that, well, go go mama. You want go mama? She's horrendous. I want to pose Oh my god

Are you okay It's okay I want to pose a scenario to you guys Yes I love role playing I'm just going to go ahead and say This isn't someone very close to me It could be

If it's me It's so mad Yeah please be super I have a male friend Who is in a committed relationship Previous to this committed relationship He was hardcore crushing on some girl And the girl kind of led him on for a long time,

but eventually was like nah and kind of like tossed him to the side. Months later, he finally gets into a committed relationship. The girl who tossed him to the side months ago knows very much that he's now in a committed relationship, but proceeds to text him this, hey, I'm ready to be in a relationship. So I think that there is a pathology, second time I've used this this morning,

around people who want what's already taken. They don't want it when it's not taken, but they want it when it's taken. It makes it more forbidden and fun for them. It's toxic. They want the drama. How is this guy receiving? I think that he's like, you know,

because he had like a crush on her before, he's kind of like, oh, like really, there is still something that excites him about it. But I'm trying to tell him absolutely. not. This giant red flag. It is the biggest red flag because she does not want a relationship with you. She is just playing a game.

She's ego driven. She wants to see she could do this. This is my sister's ex. Every time she moves on to a new guy and is like, oh, things are sure. He comes knocking. Once he feels that he's lost her, he comes back. And then once she goes back to him, he's done with her. This is Dakota from Mormon wives.

Oh, I hate him. I hate him. But yes. They don't, this is a pathology, this is a sickness, it's ego. To me, I go, oh, you just, like, want to know that you can get them. We're in our 30s. Like, we're still playing this game. Like, I just don't understand it only because, like, we're girls.

And I don't think that us girls should be behaving that way out of respect, not even for the guy, but for the girl in their relationship. I know. I know. Yeah. Like, what is this game? We're still playing? Like, we're too old for this shit. I feel, like, spiritually, that person who, you know,

know wants to win you back like i don't really believe in spirituality or like universal stuff but i do think in this instance those people can feel when you've moved on yeah they're like the spirits guide them and they know that you've moved on because my dad had a crush his high school ex like uh oh like father like daughter um just hit me he like had a crush on this girl they dated she dumped him whatever she got married she had kids years later he she calls my dad up and she's like hey i'm divorced like what's up and my it was literally the day after my dad married my mom oh my god my and my dad like to his credit was super honest with like all of us about this story he's like he was upset he's like oh man i said to this woman like i just got married like and what did she say that she

like pursuing? I don't think so. I don't know, but he was like a, it bothered him, you know. She got to him a little bit. Yeah. That's a terrible thing to do to someone. And in this case, like I have to believe, I don't, I don't think she knew like he had just gotten married, but I, maybe they're really, I don't know. The universe spoke to her. Yeah, yeah. She can feel it. But on lying, this was actually the only person that has lied, crazy to me and I believed her time and again it was like the most lying and just straight face lying hardcore lying that I've ever experienced what were the reasons for lying do you know she was obsessed with this guy and then she went and talked to like I'm dating someone somebody that like

went on a few dates with the person I'm dating um she connected with them to exchange secrets. They wanted each other's information. Yeah, well, like things about me and my relationship. So that, because that girl wanted to know, that girl had information on the guy that she was, like, obsessed with. Yeah, too much. She told me, like, they talked and I was like, okay, what did you say?

And she's like, nothing. And she kept saying nothing. I was like, okay, well, if you said something, just let me know now. And it's okay. Please don't lie to me. just tell me, no matter what it is, just tell me. And she's like, I didn't say anything. And then we find out from the girl, like, all these intimate details about our relationship

that there's no way that she could just have found out herself. I was like, oh, you lied. Like, I've never had that. I vouched for you. I even stood up to the person I'm dating where I'm like, no, there's no way. Like, she's my friend. She wouldn't lie about this. That's diabolical.

That's just so violating. I've never experienced that before. in my life. But I feel like because you believe everyone, it's more shameful for you to be upset with that liar than if it was someone like Esther and I who like think it's everyone in the liar

anyways. I know because you have like an open heart. Right. You're like giving by defaults. I'm like, I don't believe anything anyone says until they prove themselves. Can you think of a time though in your younger life where you maybe your frontal cortex was not fully formed

where you were truly like the villain. in a story. Oh, yeah, so many times. Probably. I can't see how that's not possible. Yeah. I was just thinking about when's the last time you've hit or been hit? Hit? Like, when's the last time you hit someone?

Now the time to remind everyone on the internet, yes, I've never been hit. No one shows. Wait. That's why I shouldn't have communal brain. It gets beat into. Wait, but I got beat the fuck down, but why do I not have communal brain? Because then it's like everything I have. Now you have like scarcity.

Scarcity. We're the spectrum of big downs. We react differently to being hit, I guess. You were also hit? Yeah, as a child. Yeah. Me too, yeah. I mean, it's just like, it's part for the course for Asians, I feel.

I guess my sister hit me, but it's been a while. I don't remember. The last time I was hit was by a closeted ex of mine. He had cheated on me, and then I caught him cheating. But then I was like, you know, let's just talk. And we took a trip to Vegas. and then he saw that my ex had texted me saying that his grandma had just died. My ex's grandma and I were really close.

And he was like, hey, just giving you the heads up that like my grandma passed. It's just so funny to be close with your ex's grandma. I'm sorry. Yeah, because we lived in the same house and she was this old lady. And then she would drive me to swim practice. And she was just like a really sweet lady. And he saw, but mind you, he had already cheated. And we already knew this was the discussion on the table.

but he was like, who's that? And I'm like, oh, my ex, so and so. See, you're doing the same thing. And I'm like, no, his grandma just died. I didn't reply to the text. And I said some shit. I probably said some crazy cutting shit. But then he like full mounted me,

like full mounted me on the bed and like punched me several times. I know. And he drove back to Long Beach and then he changed all the locks to our apartment, called my mom. He's like, get her stuff. What a bitch, right? Download gay. The downloads are so mean.

That's down-logade, that velvet rage. Wait, I don't understand, like, a man punched you in the face? Like, were you okay? No, because I stood right back up, because this is when I was, like, deep into MMA. I stood right back up, and then I put, my reaction was so insane. It probably scared the shit out of him. So, yes, it hurt. My face was very swollen.

But then I put my hands behind like this, like around me, and I was, like, hit me again, you little bitch. And I told him, basically, I felt nothing. I was like, that's all you have. I was like, you're a little bitch. You can't even knock me out. And then he drove back to Long Beach and changed all I a lot. Yeah, but he was so mean.

Oh my God. But he's like, you have the devil's wine. You drink the devil's wine. And I'm like, me. What the fuck is that? I know. And to this day when I like, but that was his big thing. The devil's wine.

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be sure to select our show in the drop down menu that follows we got a banana break you guys real quick oh yeah yeah yeah special today in honor of andrea never getting her pizza party we got a pizza wait i'm gonna cry wait this is this is lore that you remember yeah of course of course this is a really big point in in your life because Because she had a pizza party and that no one showed up to. You have to cancel it. Oh, my God. This smells so good.

And no one came to your house for the pizza party. So here's your pizza party. Oh, that's so nice. Should we open it and see if it's really pizza or a drink? Is it bananas in there? Yeah. It's a banana pizza. Thank you.

Which we sing happy birthday? Yeah. Okay. Oh. Ready? Sing with us. Happy birthday. to you.

Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday dear Andrea. Kingo's mom. Happy birthday to you. Thank you. Thank you guys. Now you live somewhere where never snows.

Yeah. So I'll never be sad again. Yeah. Is that why you live here? Wait, I saw, I wanted to bring this up to you. I saw some guy on TikTok and I sent it to you. Yeah. Baby.

Oh, Pingu! Hi! How old is Pingu? Eight. Oh, yeah, she's so close to donuts age. Has she ever had DNA testing? No. I want to know.

LA is such a hilarious place because I couldn't find a date for a John Mulaney show at the Hollywood Bowl. So I went on Raya and I just sent a copy-paste message to all of my matches. I got tickets. If you can be ready in three hours. pull up, but I'm here at the Hollywood Bowl and I look up and one of the girls that I messaged is on stage. What? And so I looked down on my phone like, oh my God, I messaged the comedian.

Hey, I got really shitty tickets for a John Mullaney show at 7.30. Can you be ready in three hours? To her. Who is on stage right now while I'm sitting in section S? And I sent it to you and I was like, is this you? Was it? I don't really have right. Like I have it because they gave me a free membership and then I just kept it.

And I don't remember this person at all. But then I went back to check and I was like, oh, ha ha, that's funny. Like they did message me. I didn't open it though. And then I just deleted it. I like how this is actually like a cute sweet story. But part of me really, really wishes that like he, he had, you know,

left you on red or said he was going to take you on a date and then didn't. Like, I really wanted this to hurt him. But none of those, none of those conversations. Yeah, my own ways. None of those type of conversations happen on Raya.

Everyone just, like, likes each other and then moves on. It's such like a little moment of an ego boost and then, like, you carry on. It just like a, it feels like a video game or something. Yeah,

it's exactly what it is. And I think this was from, I don't even know, like a year ago or something. Yeah. where I was like, whatever. And then, but it carries over. I feel like you tried to make a point about something.

And I think I'm understanding what you were trying to say. Like, when Andrea's friend, like, lied to her and heard her, she's, like, so open and innocent that, like, it really, really hurt her and, like, broke her heart. This girlfriend broke her heart. And I feel like you are trying to insinuate, which I think is correct, that, like, if that happened to you or me, like, we would almost, like, expect it. Yeah. And like not a shocker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. It's not even that I have a low bar for people. It's more like I think I've been burned so many times, especially like in L.A. where I'm just like, of course you're a shady person. You know what? That's what I'm finding. It might be an L.A. thing. Because I've never had this happen in like British Columbia in Canada,

you know, like where I live most of my life. I don't know. I don't think it's very. to say it's like a city i think it's it could be like the industry industry i think so yeah i think you're right i think for sure it's industry because like there is an extra level of like what strings can i pull like and there's an extra layer and by the way like that no i'm not even trying to like throw shade at that like you do have to kind of be that way friendly yeah like political yeah i think for as close as you were to this person, that's just like not warranted because at some point you're like, hey, we're friends, right? So I guess it would still hurt us because they were really close.

Would you say she was like top five friends? At the time, you know, so I thought and then, you know, saying my business to just this stranger. And I was like, who is the most you shouldn't be saying this to because this is someone who like dated the person I'm dating now. It's such a bad feeling when someone has made. you feel safe and then you like get to share with them and maybe it's because they've shared something really vulnerable and so then you share and then you're like why would I ever tell that person

that stuff about me and it's like because they were fun and they were exciting and wait a minute what we're all having revelation like flashing to everyone who's been vulnerable with me and wondering like if it was a ploy no no no stop you are all trying to get me bitch No. Oh my God. You're going to start spinning. No, no, no, no. And you know what?

Starting with my dad. There's real human connection. There's real interactions. Are you feeling more guarded now? Or are you like that was her? And it had nothing to do with me. Well, it's both. I feel like maybe I should just be more careful who I say my business to.

And also who to even be friends with. Because I can't, I just can't be so open. all the time because we're not in you know Canada anymore I just feel like a like I blame myself a lot and I still do where I'm like why did I let this person in? Why did I

I just felt like a snake was in my house you know well that's what I'm saying like she might be those one of these people who are good at that for sure you know what I mean? This doesn't seem like a first time thing for her like a betrayal of this kind of right because if she's going around and asking for dirt. Yeah.

That's someone who's like, speaking of pathology, she's dug into like a behavior. Like she's done this before. She's also ultra charming like up front, which is like should also be like a red flag for someone. Now I know better. In my 20s, you couldn't fucking. I was so just like enraptured. Like a little charm went a really long way with me.

If they were funny, if they were shiny, if they said all their right things, if they were funny. I'm like, oh my God. Like we're friends forever. But now I'm like if you charm me Like turn my pants off the first 10 minutes Like I'm taking a step back I'm gonna be like okay

So it's good to know like if I If someone wants to be your friend They just need to be like really boring Standoffish yes quiet Yeah yeah yeah dress bad like just have no shiny qualities I think so I think that's what I'm looking for these days Nothing shiny just real

To your point like I'm saying like oh Were those people sharing vulnerable things with me Like just to get stuff out of me I actually do believe, even when I think of a specific example of something very similar to your experience happening to me, I don't think that those people are vulnerable with you. Like, at least I'd like to think that they're like, the connection we shared was real. They just went and like kind of got nasty with it. Yeah. I agree with that.

Because you can't live like that either. Like that's a bad way to live to be like everyone who's ever been vulnerable is like trying to snake. me from you know what I mean and I feel that a bad way I know I feel like we're giving mixed messages no one's fully a villain everyone just has like moments moments where they slip and then they fall into something which I can relate to but then I just I just feel like as you get older you just you're supposed to get sturdier this is something you you do falter to when you're like 18 or something okay so I wanted to ask you guys like there been things that have woken me up in the middle of the night where I'm like I need to make amends

for that like and it's something that I did when I was 22 and drunk and I hurt someone's feelings horribly and it keeps me up at night at 40 in my 40s okay I'll paint you the scenario this is a co-worker of mine at Abercrombie and Fitch her and I was like she was like a really sweet girl um there was some like shadiness about her but like never towards me we always like went to We partied together, early 20s. She liked this boy a lot that worked at Abercrombie, except that he had a girlfriend, but she always crushed on him hard. But then when he became single, she didn't get the attention that she thought

now that he was single. Fast forward a couple years, he then tries to pursue me, right? At which point, nothing happened between us. But then she confronts me as if something did happen between me and him. And I'm like, hey, I'm actually not interested in him, but she came at me in a very aggressive way. And I said something so horrible. And then her twin sister defended her and said, don't you fucking talk to my sister like that. Which, by the way, no, she didn't work there.

Her twin sister, by the way, which I was like, now that I think about him, like, fuck yeah, girl, you should have fucking come to your sister's defense and attacked me. Because you both believe I stole her man, her long time crush. I didn't. We were just friends. And I respected that. I respect it now. But at that time, I said the most vile thing. And the email, the message I wrote back to her, the sister haunts me to this day.

Because this is where I was like, I was a villain here because I was so mean. And I was like, wait, like, you're talking about your, I basically called her sister a slut. Oh, you slut shamed her. I slut shamed her. If Kalila thinks it was bad, I believe her. It was bad. She can be really like. Cutting.

Mean? Cutting. She can. And I think that was so deeply hurtful, especially because at her core, she really was like a nice girl. She really just thought I was after her long lost crush. And I was not. I just wonder, like, does this person want to hear from you? Maybe not, right?

Like, I don't know. I'm making it about me, right? Yeah. In a sisterhood way, though, I could see maybe if, like, that random, like, message hits my inbox. And I'm like, oh, that was kind of nice. Like. What if I say this? Hey, so and so, what a shitty thing that I did?

so this many years ago you don't have to reply I just really want to say that was shitty and if it made you feel bad like I truly I'm sorry just look into the camera and do it she'll see the episode she won't she won't she go direct to camera and I look at her now honestly I look at her Facebook I'm like she's a mom like she's like she's got a whole life she was always a nice girl and I feel like I really like hurt her deeply well you were falsely accused yeah I was falsely accused yeah I was lying on your name she was lying on my name righteously you know like I didn't fucking do it yeah and at that time I was like hardcore to Atkins and she did say her remarks like gosh eat a sandwich which really hurt me at that time. That hurt you? That's like the best compliment. Oh really? Yeah you're too skinny. I was in denial about my disordered eating at that time. I was like I'm exercising. I'm running

13 miles a day. What are he talking about? Okay thank you for saying that. I will not be apologizing. Don't do it. Don't do it. I think you'll ruin someone's day. In honor of the theme of today's episode and our long lost guest who didn't make it, we did have, we did have, We were going to play two truths in a lie.

Do you guys want to play? Sure. A celebrity interaction of any kind. Oh, about a celebrity? Mm-hmm. You're the celebrity. Okay, no, I can do this. Okay.

Okay, I'll go first. Okay. I've met Emerada. I have been to a dinner party with Guy Fieri. And Gordon Ramsey once told me I was funny. Gordon Ramsey. I know it. You do know it?

You probably know it, yeah. Wait, no, I don't. I'm second guessing. Okay. You three have to like probably come to a consensus. Right. Yeah. Okay.

Do you actually know or no? It's like, okay, I know that there was a period of time where Esther was obsessed with Emerada and I feel as though she would have like weaseled her way into some event. What was the second one? Guy Fieri. That's a little too basic for me. I'm going to go with me. That's a little too like I had a dinner with Guy Fierry.

Dinner party. Dinner party with Guy Fierry. It's very uninteresting. Can we ask questions or no? I don't think that's how the game is played. Oh, okay. Let's take a swing at the Emerada thing because I think she was obsessed. but never met her because I would have seen that photograph.

Right. All right. Let's go with that. But met is like meeting. Would she take photo for sure? She would. Oh. Because she was so obsessed.

If you know her lesbianism, you would. All right. Meeting Emerada. Okay. That is actually true. But you are really, you actually had so much good thought put into that. I was obsessed with her. And Hannah Burner, I had heard through our agent that Emerita was going to win a Hannah Burner's

shows. And so I texted Hannah. I'm like, Hannah, you're letting me open for you. And she's like, okay, come. And so then we got to meet her after. And she was so pretty. Did you take pictures? Why didn't you take a picture? I don't know. It was, honestly, that's crazy. That's how freaked out you were. Yeah, I was so nervous to meet her. Like, I got it. And then when I, I don't know why these are like all opening for friends shows, but then when I was, went on tour with Nikki for that weekend, Gordon Ramsey was there. And he said, I was funny. And I'll never forget it. Because he's so mean. I love him. I love him. I thought. I thought he was. for sure would be mean.

He also just seems like the best dad. Have you ever seen him and his daughter? Yeah, they do TikToks together. Yeah, they're so cute. Oh, my God, that's sweet. All right. Yeah. Okay, who's next?

Who's next? You're a turn. Okay, I've touched Gordon Ramsey. Not the Gordon Ramsey. What the fuck? Where? Where did you touch him? I think just, you know.

Don't answer. It's not up for. Don't answer. Discussion. Oh, right. Because then we weren't allowed to ask questions. I've held eye contact with Kendall Jenner and then I've been in the room

She forgot her own lie It's that one. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's whatever you're about to say. No, no, no, no, I've been in the room when Bobby was naked. Oh, who has? That's a lie. No way. I think that Kendall Jenner is a lie.

And I'm only based on off of just the fact that Gordon Ramsey was at Nicky's show, so he's probably at one of John Malaney's shows. Oh, okay. He was a comedy fan. Great, great, great. He does love comedians. And I don't think Kendall Jenner can hold eye contact. I can't imagine.

She does have those, you know, beautiful, omnid eyes. When I met Kendall Jenner, she did not look at me. So if she did hold eye contact with you. Didn't you attempt to say something? Yeah, I tried to invite her to a comedy show. It went horribly. I think I was pretty much escorted off the premises. I was never invited back to a push event.

Okay, not off the list. So I fucked up You invited her to a show? Yeah, it was horrible. So I think Kendall Jenner was the lie. I think Kendall Jenner too. Yeah. She looks at no one.

No. Yeah, that's not the lie. Which one was Gordon Ramsey? It's the Gordon Ramsey one. Oh, you didn't touch it? I've passed by him. I've never touched him. Oh, never touched him.

How did she hold eye contact with Kendall? Okay, so I was, she was at a show. She was at, um... They're closer in height. They are closer in height. I think maybe you just couldn't see you. It might be the height thing. She was at one of Dave Chappelle's show.

shows and I was there and I my eyesight is really bad so before a moment I was like is that Kendall Jenner and then I just stared at her for a really long time and she stared back at me and we stared at each other for quite sometime because she because I wouldn't let it go and she was and I think she was like who the fuck is staring at here now? Also she is like bisexual do you think I don't know imagine your eyesight was so bad it was actually Gordon Ramsey but I kept staring and then like I think she thought maybe like I was someone that thought like maybe we knew each other or something so we just held it for a long time until I was like oh it is Kendall Jenner and then I just I just like when you could have slept with Kendall Jenner yeah I don't know I don't think so she was with Bad Bunny at that time sure they were like talking to each other I was like what how are you guys talking to each other I know but seeing a celebrity is super strange where you're like You can't believe, you're kind of like, no. They're always so small.

Yeah. Kendall is really tall. He is really tall. And it's also like disorienting. You're like, you want to be like, hi. And then you're like, no. Yeah, yeah. I don't know you.

Okay, who's next? Okay, so Ethan Hawke has bummed multiple cigarettes from me. Very specific. I have kissed Lance Bass on the cheek. Oh. And I shared an elevator with. Sarah Jessica Parker. I believe the Lance Bass thing,

just because, you know, he's very, he's everywhere in the gay world. I think Sarah Jessica Parker is why. Yeah, I think so. I guess. I'll just go with the group. Why?

Because I think, like, sharing cigarettes with Ethan Hawke feels so specific. Mm-hmm. I don't know. I can't imagine Sarah Jessica Parker, like, being open to sharing an elevator with someone. I think she's going to wait for the next one.

Yeah, she's closing the door. So the lie was kiss Lance Bass on the cheek. Because he threw the most obvious one there. Right. Yeah. Yeah, like sneaky. We hugged, but we didn't kiss on the cheek.

Oh, no, yeah. That wasn't a lie for me. Yeah, that was the truth for you. Can you tell us about the Ethan Hart? So, this is when I was to live in New York. And he, I worked in the same building as the then-CAA New York office. and he would always be around there slash like different restaurants around there

and that's when I was heavily smoking cigarettes and he's like a chain smoker Why do we have his own cigarettes? He never had his own cigarettes It was that was so I'm like you're so rich what's going on Maybe it's because he's one of those guys It's just like I'm not gonna smoke

I'm not a smoker I'm not a smoker I'm just gonna bum it all day That's like how I feel when I'm like I'm not gonna eat the whole thing So I don't serve myself a plate But then I'll eat it off the stove Because then I don't see how much I'm eating Because if it's a big pot

I don't know how much I'm actually eating Right But if you're down on a plate It's like actual food Yeah then I'm like I ate that much Right Versus just grazing

When your girlfriend doesn't order anything You know Yeah And she's eating Or your mom Wait so what happened So what happened with Sarah Jessica Parker In the elevator

Yeah She I was in the elevator And she was like Excuse me hold the elevator And I was like what And I held it And I was like Whoa it's Sarah Jessica Parker

She gets in I'm like stunned because it was the height of Sex and City and I was like trembling and I couldn't, I was about to say like I'm such a fan but I didn't even want to do that because I, you know, she doesn't want to fucking hear it so I'm like who

Who? Who are you? Guys. New York, it's same CAA building. Oh. Yeah, they were both I guess represented there. I'm going to keep mine really simple. Okay. She has to win. No, no, no. I feel like you're going to

know some of this. She's getting weird. Trust me. You're going to crush it. I've locked eyes and flirted with Jim Carrey. I've locked eyes and flirted with Alexander Scarsguard. I've locked eyes and flirted with Hojure. Oh, everybody. Those three are so good.

Yeah. What was the second one? Alexander Scarsguard. Where would you meet Jim Carrey? At the comedy store? Because you think I don't leave the house. They're all right. Where would she meet Alexander Scarsguard?

Comedy stuff. I just, Jim Carrey's not around. Yeah, he's now out of hiding with that new face. But he did date a friend of mine that is a similar ethnicity makeup vibe. Yeah, I think he goes across the board, to be honest, is what I've gathered. I would say Scar's God because he's so tall. I would imagine it would be hard to lock eyes because your neck would be like this. Wait, who was the third one?

I don't know who the third one. Hoosier. Hoosier. Is it a DJ? Take me to truck Oh, I love that song When even no Blasada sings it Or is it hosier

I think Jim Carrey is the lie But even though I I kind of think none of them are the lie I'm going with Jim Carrey Just because I never see him Okay I'm gonna go Hozier I'm gonna split on this

Can you think of Peak Kalila Not Mother Kalila Not Bells Palsy like peak like No one is thinking that Because everyone's like none of this could massively be true I literally think all of them are possible But I just don't know where you would see Jim Carrey.

I see what you're saying. Like even like I don't see him out and about. Yeah, I don't see where Bobby would have seen him. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, let's go. Are you with the Jim Carrey? I'll do Jim Carrey too.

He is reclusive. That's not a lie. Oh. Where did you meet him? At a CA party with Bobby. And then I went off to get my own food. And we had a very long moment of he was like, who is this tall? brown drink of water.

And Bobby immediately was like, oh my God, oh my God, my God. Jim Carrey is going after my girl. And then he like, intercepted. Oh, my God. Yeah, and he was like, oh, hey, what's up, dude? But it was big head as Bobby's like, hey, can you go get me some caviar? So I was like, oh, I gotta get up. Yeah, and so like we, I stood up

and he just happened to be also serving himself food. And he was like, hey, like, how are you? And in a very, like, I know when a man's about to, Yeah Yeah Why did you feel? Nothing I was just like

No I would have felt like The prettiest girl in the world I know Yeah Really? Are you kidding? That's kidding me

His energy was very like sweet though Not like predatory Which I liked I can't believe You would eat like And Alexander Scarscarred twice You guys One at a party and one at Oak's Cafe

And Jules was like I cannot believe Like how long you guys Like locked eyes Really? Yeah But then I know that. And the Hozier is a lie.

I felt like they were all true to. Of all of those, Jim Carrey's my number. Like, I would be so excited. Yeah, him over Hojier and. He's huge. He's so inaccessible. Scars guard. Either way, Jim Carrey, starve, liar, liar. Listen, I get right back to the name.

That was one of a member, the Klaw. That was one of my favorite movies. Yeah. I want to watch it when I get home, jerk off. Oh my God. Okay. Just kidding. Just kidding.

That's a twist. That's a twist. Let's get out of here. All right. Happy pizza party to Andrea. Thank you. This is so sweet. I'm so glad you.

My heart is healing. Thank you guys. Anything to plug from anyone? I have a YouTube special out called Rice Biglet. Go check that out on my page. I have nothing, but like, but you know, things are happening, I think. And things will happen in the future, but so just kind of look at me sometimes. Andrea Jin

Eb is at Sephora if you want to have a gorgeous pretty hair It's at Sephora it's saying there Go to Sephora Your mom texted me and she's like I need more Ebb Oh my God I love all the marketing for it It's so cute

Jules and you guys all look so good Oh thank you You guys have the best hair I know I know at a Norwalk Sephora Oh no way a Norwalk? I was randomly at a Norwalk Sephora And I walked in and I saw you

On a corner thing And I was like Wait she He was, no, her company. Oh, okay. I was like, huh. Imagine. By the way, I was just mentioning to someone how your brand is in Sephora and they were like,

that is a huge deal. That is so, like, I knew that, but just reiterating, like, from a beauty world, like, that is a really hard thing to get. Yeah. I do understand the gravity of it all now. It's like. Do you know how many drag queens would love to be in your position right now? Really?

Yeah, to be at, like, at a huge beauty, like. I know. The beauty. The beauty. It's prestige. Yeah. All right, we'll see you guys next thing with a brand new episode.