Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn - Maria Menounos is Mother

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

Thank you to our sponsor(s) *BetterHelp - Overcome your fears, with BetterHelp.Visit www.betterhelp.com/TRASHTUESDAY today to get 10% off your first month.  *See Esther LIVE! Purchase Tickets Here! *PLEASE Like & Subscribe to Our Channel on YouTube ___________________________________________________________________ The lovely and amazing Mother Maria Menounos joins us this week & we’re all obsessed.  She tells us about her Howard Stern proposal, Kim K’s Advice, and how the secret to better skin (and life tbh)  is going to target, purchasing little white towels and rolling them up to use in your bathroom once a day -- thank you for your work, mother! We won’t let you down.   MORE MARIA: Heal Squad | The Website Heal Squad | The Podcast Maria's | Instagram ___________________________________________________________________ Chapters: 00:00 How did you two Meet?  01:43 Maria is Here & She’s Mother 05:10 Esther to Maria: How are you such a good person?  14:30 An Ode to Maria’s lovely and amazing husband, Keven 30:00 Surrogacy and Kim’s Advice 38:00 Having a Kid feels like getting in a Car Wreck 43:46 Banana Break and Boarding School  50:00 Being Afraid to Admit You Want Kids ___________________________________________________________________ Listen to Trash: Trash iTunes Audio Feed: https://bit.ly/TrashTuesdayPod Trash Spotify Audio Feed: https://bit.ly/TTPodAudio   Follow Trash: IG: https://www.instagram.com/itstrashtuesday/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@itstrashtuesday   More Esther: TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@esthermonster Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/esthermonster/   More Khalyla:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/khalamityk/ Tigerbelly Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@UCIyIoM_Nd8HtY19fuR_ov2A    Production Team: Tiny Legends, LLC:  https://www.instagram.com/tinylegends.prod/ Stella Young: https://www.instagram.com/estellayoung/ Guy Robinson: https://www.instagram.com/grobfps/ Ariel Moreno: https://www.instagram.com/jade.rabbit.cce/ Edited By: Case Blackwell:  https://www.instagram.com/caseblackwell/

How do you guys know each other? So funny, Stella was asking me the same question and here's my answer and I give it to everyone from JLo down to whoever. I have no clue. I love it. Maria's like, I don't know this woman. She's like, what am I doing here?

Well, I, so for me, it goes way back. Did you read the book first? You should not be embarrassed. Yes, it starts with her book. Oh gosh, okay, I get it. Then I'm way back. Did you read the book first? You should not be embarrassed. Yes, it starts with her bow. Oh gosh, okay, I get it. Then I saw you at the Grove and just stared at you and thought about approaching you, but didn't, but I didn't need to bring that part up.

I'm dead, I love you. And then I did your podcast. I think I was promoting Dollface or something, a show. And then- Was that the first time you met in person though? No. It was. I didn't interview you on any of your shows

or anything like that while I was at Extra or Access. No, no, I was nowhere to be found in those years. Um. Well, hello. Guess what? Friday, October 18th, I'm gonna be in Los Angeles at the Comedy Store doing a very intimate fun stand-up show in the Belly Room then what then November 1st and 2nd Tacoma Washington and then I'll be in Austin, Texas November 22nd and 23rd. These are my tour dates for this year

That's it. We're just hanging out. We're having fun. Come see me live. It's gonna be great. I'll see you there Take it to the link in the description This show is sponsored by better help. Overcome your fears with better help. Visit better help.com slash trash Tuesday today to get 10% off your first month. That's better help. H ELP.com slash trash Tuesday. Hey slugs. Welcome back. This week in the studio we have the most beautiful woman I've ever laid my eyes on, Maria Menounos, welcome.

Hi, thank you. We're so excited to have you. I was very pregnant and nauseous and went to the movies a bunch. And so it was so the most comforting experience when you were there on the movie screen before every movie I saw last winter. It feels so good to see you

and it felt so good to see you then. So thank you for all the comforts. How do you guys know each other? So funny, Stella was asking me the same question and here's my answer. And I give it to everyone from J.Lo down to whoever. I have no clue. I never know how I meet anyone in this business

because it all moves so fast. I just know I met them. I've interviewed them. I know them. I love in this business because it all moves so fast. I just know I've met them, I've interviewed them, I know them, I love them, that's it. I love it. Maria's like, I don't know this woman. What am I doing here? Well, I, so for me, it goes way back.

It goes way back. Did you read the book first? Oh no, you should not be embarrassed. Yes, it starts with her book. Oh gosh, okay, I get it. It starts with Every Girl's Guide to Life, written by Maria Menounos. And Dad, I love you.

The book that changed my life forever. I owe you so much from all the life lessons in that book. My favorite one, which I always talk about, she's like, her thing is like teaching you how to have like the good life, but on a budget. After I read her book, I went and bought from Target a ton of white washcloths.

You roll them up, you put them in your bathroom and suddenly you're living in a boutique hotel. Yep. And your skin is great because there's no bacteria build up because it's one and done, baby. That's right. You do not use the same towel. It's the secret to skin that nobody tells you.

If you reuse the same towel, all that bacteria that's built up is now going into your pores after you've now washed your face, generally with some warm water, right? So your pores are open. So one and done, throw it out. Not throw it out, throw it in the laundry basket.

Yeah, yeah. This is my mother here. Mother is here today. But then I did actually, well, then I saw you at the Grove and just stared at you and thought about approaching you, but didn't, but I didn't need to bring that part up. I'm dead, I love you. And then I did your podcast.

I think I was promoting Dollface or something, a show and then- Was that the first time you met in person though? No. It was. I didn't interview you on any like of your shows or anything like that while I was at Extra or Access. No, no, I was nowhere to be found in those years.

Well, you know I was always a big fan, and I told you that last time I interviewed you. Which is so nice, and your husband too, who is my favorite person, who, like, he, you guys... It's so interesting, because you're, like, the face of the operation, right? Like, you're the star in the relationship, but, like, then when you take a closer look,

he's kind of like the kooky one. Which usually the star in the relationship. But like, then when you take a closer look, he's kind of like the kooky one. Which usually the star is the kooky one. But you're like the calm, like, right? Am I right? Yeah, I mean, I have my kookiness too, but I definitely maybe don't present that as much. But he's special, yeah. So he loves you too.

He's so funny. Yeah, he's a big champion of yours. He's like, I. So he loves you too. He's so funny. Yeah, he's a big champion of yours. He's like, I just, he like, I showed up at her house. He's like, do you wanna go for a ride in my car? I'm like, okay. Wait, this must have been, this really probably, this is why you believe in manifestation so hard. You read a book.

You buy towels. And you tell yourself, one day I'm gonna be friends with Maria Menounos. And it happens. And it happens. But you know what is crazy about you? I don't think there's anyone in Hollywood that has a career as long as yours has been and is so well liked.

And like, what is, how are you such a good person? Oh my God, guys. What is your secret? Give us advice. From Stella to you guys, I'm never leaving here. Just so you know, now you're fucked. You're stuck with me forever. Keep the compliments coming. I don't know.

I'm so grateful for everything that I get to do and everything that's happened. And I mean, you talk about manifesting. My parents were janitors, Greek immigrants from Greece. And I dreamed of being in this business and like I pinch myself every time I'm in my convertible driving through Beverly Hills with the palm trees and being like, holy shit I used to watch Axl Foley on Beverly Hills Cop drive through Beverly Hills in a shit box but but whatever. And be like, I want that, I wanna be there.

And when I, every, it never ever leaves my mind that I'm here, I get to be here, I get to be in this really cool space with cool people and doing amazing things and having even dreams I didn't even know were there come true. Part of that is Kevin dreaming for me as well when I'm, you know, thinking that this is it. He's like, no, you're gonna wrestle.

I'm like, I am? Okay. Or you're gonna do this? I am? Okay. You're gonna do this? Oh, okay. So, and, you know, I just, I love life. I love people. What is your favorite thing that you've done? Because you've done so many things like entertainment reporter, journalist,

wrestler, literal professional wrestler, which is like insane, doesn't make any sense. You were on Dancing with the Stars, like hosted different shows. Do you have like a favorite career highlight or moment? It's really crazy, guys, because when I look at reels that different people have made of like my career, I'm like, holy moly, they had to categorize it

because there's been so many things that I've done and I feel so, like I said, grateful. And it's tough because the journalism, like working for Nightly News, the most prestigious 30 minutes of news and doing the things I did, I interviewed the Obama family, no one had ever interviewed them and no one still has. I, what?

It filled my soul so much because I got to tell people stories, whether it was, you know, the story of first generation kids. When you're first gen in this country, there is a burden that's placed on you to be the family translator or to be, you know, an adult from the time you were a kid. And I wanted to tell that story.

And so there's so many things like that, that I got to do that really like fed my soul. But then on the other side, the Gemini crazy fun side, I mean, there's maybe never gonna be a moment like wrestling at WrestleMania in front of 70,000 fans at Dolphin Stadium. That is so contrasting things. Right?

It's like just so different, but I feel like that's also, it's so special because it's like, I think that a lot of people are quick to place people in categories and say, this is where you belong. This is the lane you exist in. And you're kind of just like, no, I have multiple lanes. This is the 405 freeway and I have 10 lanes to choose from.

And I think that's like speaks to your longevity in this industry too. Diversifying. Yeah. But that's Kevin. So if it wasn't for Kevin, I'd probably still be at entertainment tonight. Or maybe they would have gotten rid of me by now. But I wanted to do everything.

So that was there, that passion was there to do everything. But Kevin was the one with the balls, technically, and literally. So he would help me push down those doors because they were like, you're a journalist, you can't be in campaigns. So I'm on nightly news and a Pantene commercial is running and they're looking at me like, wait,

how much longer do we have to deal with this? Like, this is a conflict. or I wanted to be in movies. And so I'm starring in a movie, you know, while I'm doing the Today Show or whatever. So yeah, wrestling was maybe the biggest kind of stray. And I had friends after the first time be like, okay, that's enough. And then I was like, no, but I love this.

And I've loved it since I was a kid. This is a total dream come true. And like, you're gonna be known as like the wrestler girl. This is so weird for your reputation. And I was like, my rudder has always been, if I love it and I believe in it, I'm in and I'm doing it. And now I don't think you can be hurt in your career if those things are true.

If it's real to who you are, if it's true to you. And now you see like A-list celebrities begging to be in WWE and they won't even let them in. And you're like, okay, so maybe I wasn't so stupid after all. Do you always, you must have like a really strong gut, like relationship with trusting your gut. It's been an ongoing building. I think that it's hard when you're

younger to listen to your gut. And then like my first book, funny story, The Evergirls Guide to Life. My lawyer, who's been my lawyer for all these years, calls me. And he's like, the publisher called. I won't name them. Everybody knows they can look it up. Publisher called.

And they said that you're writing a bad book. Are you writing a bad book? Are you writing a good book? What does that even mean? And I go, I don't know. I've never written a book. So I have no clue. This is like big bad publisher of the world.

If they think I'm writing a bad book, I'm screwed. And I was like, but hold on, let me think about this. And then I go to Kevin and Kevin's like, Maria, they want you to write like a dummy girl book, like a just hair makeup, like super like kind of surface book and you're sharing all your tips and tricks and things that you are passionate about. He's like, don't listen to them.

And I was like, Kevin, you're crazy. And so in the meantime, I said, well, let me run it by some people and see what they think. And so I sent it to some of my choir sisters from back in the day when we sang in church choir, I sent it to some old teachers. I sent it to like a few different people from like back home. And I said, please be honest with me first of all,

because I don't want to like flop here. But if this content is helpful to you, let me know." And the resounding answer was yes. So then I called them back and I said, I'd rather fail on my own accord than fail doing something that you think is right to do. And I remember asking them about like New York Times bestseller list and stuff,

and they're like, don't even think about it. It's too hard. I was only a correspondent at Access Hollywood at that time. So I was maybe getting 30 seconds a night, if that, on TV. And so, but I had really good relationships. And so I called up Howard Stern, I called up Rachel Ray, I called up Jimmy Kimmel, I called up everyone. And I asked everyone, the Kardashians,

I asked everybody to support me and everybody did. And we made, they had to call me, and they're like, you're never gonna believe this. You made the New York Times bestseller list. I go, wow. And they're like, I'm in the hardest category. You're number three in self-help and advice. And I go, oh shit, I didn't even know I wrote a self-help book.

Which is true. I had no clue. I just wrote, Kevin helped write with me. Like we just, I wrote, he cleaned up. I didn't know what I was doing. I just was sharing. And so back to your point about trusting your gut, experiences like that are what you build on.

And you say, oh, okay, I have to listen to myself. And we always know. It's just, there's always that moment that the knowing meets doubt. And then you're like, oh shit, I'm scared. And then you don't listen. And so. That is so real because I, in my 20s, read every single celebrity book that there ever was.

And yours, I wasn't, I didn't think yours would be my favorite because there was a lot of different ones. And I didn't, I wasn't that familiar with your work, but your book was the best and it stood out because you gave real stuff and everyone else was like so superficial and like almost phony feeling. But it's so true. You yours was different than everyone else's.

It feels like you're the only one that didn't follow the big publishers advice. Thank you. Well, I'll tell you the funny. The second funny part to it was that after my book became so successful, Jessica Alba, everyone came up to me and they were like, they basically gave us your book and said, make your version. Oh, wow. So I started that whole lifestyle thing

without even realizing it. And it was just awesome that like women actually came up and said that and told me, like Jessica was like, oh yeah, they said, you know, here's your copy and go make it. And so I was like, oh my gosh, that's so crazy. I shot the cover myself, it was all homegrown. I was like, no, I don't wanna be on a couch with a sweater like everybody else.

I want people to know what they're getting on the cover. So we made these signs and the dress was my pageant dress and had the cell phone and the pen and the dress was my pageant dress and like, you know, had the cell phone and the pen and the notebook. We just did it ourselves outside with my own hair and makeup myself. And so. I love it.

I know. So it just inspires me because I feel like I'm at this like weird transitional point in my career and I don't know what I'm gonna do, what I wanna do. And I think of you as someone that's like, you could do anything if it's true to you. And so, and yeah.

It sounds like you need an advocate. Kevin's an advocate. I know. I do wanna ask you about Kevin though. Like what does it feel like to meet someone who has so that much faith in you and that not just faith in one thing you could do, but in all the things he thinks you can do.

Like what is it like to have just that, like, undeniable, like, trust in someone and vice versa? Where they're like, Maria, she can do anything, so I'm gonna pitch her everything. It's special. I feel really lucky. Oh, my gosh. We lost her. Yeah, she's gone.

Um, because my mom was that for me. She believed in me so much, and she sacrificed so much for me. And I always tell Kevin, I'm like, I feel like she passed the baton on to him. And then we moved to LA and I was able to, you know, build off of that. Sorry, guys. No, and I'm so sorry that you know, build off of that. Sorry guys. No, no, no.

And I'm so sorry that you lost your mother, Maria. I, I... So yeah, I feel really lucky. He's such a champion, but he's, I always say he's everybody's champion. Whoever he meets, he is a career intuitive. And so he finds somebody, we'll be at the mall. He drives me frigging nuts.

We'll go to the mall. Bless you. Thank you. We'll go to the mall and the cashier at the desk at the counter, he'll be like, you know what you need to be doing? You need to be doing this, this and this. And you have this and ba ba ba ba ba ba ba.

And two hours later, I'm begging him to leave. I'm like, I just came to buy socks. Please, I gotta go. But he's everybody's champion and he's everyone's advocate. And so, and he's discovered so many people. Like, Beth Behrs, when she was at the Geffen ripping tickets at the Joan Rivers One Woman show, he went up to her and he goes,

you're a star. He goes, I'm writing you into my movie. And then dumbass over here is producing the movie. He's like, I don't have the budget to fly her out from LA. Sorry, if she wants to PA, she can be in. So she PA'd on the movie and then a month after the movie, she's on every billboard in LA on Two Broke Girls. Same thing with Melissa McCarthy.

We were at Groundlings, and he goes, she's a star, get her for my movie. I'm like, okay. So I go and I get her, and she was like, I would love to do it. I just need my husband to come, and dumbass me. I'm like, I don't have it in the budget. Sorry. Said no. And then like a month later, she exploded.

And so he sees talent and he also knows exactly what to do. But the other thing is, is not only is he a visionary, he knows how to actively actually do it. He will make it happen. So, okay, now this is like the homage to Kevin episode, but whatever. It has to be. I mean, he's... I know. So, okay, now this is like the homage to Kevin episode, but whatever. It has to be. I mean, he's.

I know. No, he is my brother. He did this to me when I met him. He was like pitching me career ideas. Like he was just, he's such a great human and he is like an intuitive. I wanna ask you about, so, okay. So always go with your gut.

And one last thing, know that systems are meant to be broken. And just because there's a set way of doing things doesn't mean you have to do it that way. And all of these moments in life have really shown me like everybody would go with these specific people because they're the people or whatever. And we always kind of buck the system

and did it our own way. So you don't always have to do it the traditional way. You know, I actually do agree with you in that I think there is, when I want to do something, I almost don't study what else is out there because then I feel like I'm gonna conform or maybe be swayed by what's already been done. Smart.

Versus trusting my own vision for something. So I don't over study things. I like that, I'm gonna take that. Because also you can say, oh, well they are doing it, then I don't have to do it. But there's always a Coke to the Pepsi and like a Mountain Dew to the whatever. Exactly, and I do think that it influences to you

in a way that might get in the way of your own true vision for something so of course it's good to know like the general lay of the land yeah like when I started like my my hair company I wasn't out there like like testing every single product or overstudying how people approached launching a brand I just had this like vision that I fully trusted in and I was like, I'm going to do it this way, my way, and I'm going to stick to the ethos of it and went for it. Right. I think if I had done too much of overstudying, I would have maybe doubted myself and where I wanted to like take it.

It's always better to go with what's real and what's coming from you, but it is so hard to do that. It is scary. It's scary. It's just harder. Like there's more work involved and like putting yourself out there. It's one of those true easier said than done skills. Last thing about Kevin,

there's a little bit of a viral TikTok clip going around about your life. Do you know what it is? No. Well. No, really? Do you not, do you, you don't know? No. Do you have guesses? No, no clue.

Not a clue. You. I'm terrible guys. I really, I don't do social media. I have help with my social media. There's a moment maybe if I'm on the toilet that I'll go scroll through shit. Well, that just came out bad.

But you know what I'm saying, because I'm bored. Or begging for something to happen. On Howard Stern. Oh, yeah. Will you tell us about that moment? Like you, so Kevin. Were terrified and thought he was joking and that everyone was gonna hate him

and had no, I thought it was a fake ring because it shines so bright and there was a light in the box. And I was like, what the freak is happening here? Yeah, I was freaked out. Yeah, so- But by the way, what's funny is he reacted the way I reacted when I told him we were pregnant.

So he dove all to the other side of the gym when I told him and I'm like, why are you running from me? But the same thing I'm doing here. He proposes to you and you basically don't believe him. Yeah. And Howard tells me, he's like, Rhea, this is where you're supposed to cry. And I'm like, I was just like in shock.

I'm like, we had been together for 20 years. This made no sense. I didn't get it. Yeah, cause you thought you guys were never gonna get married. Yeah, we were Goldie and Kurt for life. I kind of love that you guys waited that long. You kind of buck this whole theory of like,

well, you know, if it's not within the first couple of years, same with you by the way. Well, mine was, it was non-consensual. I wanted to be married immediately. Oh, that's right, that's right. I was upset. But you know, like even with my niece, my 22 year old niece, a lot of the younger kids are like,

I am surprised at how much they value like a fixed commitment in that way, where it's like, if you're still his girlfriend after 10 years, like he doesn't care about you. And there's this ongoing conversation about that. And this belief system that it's like, God forbid two people just sort of like waited out because it's okay to also not get married.

Well, what people don't realize is you don't know someone for a long time. What would you say is like the year where you know them? I think like 10 years for sure. Like, I think it's like, it takes a long time for like layers to break down, but also not just layers. Layers can break down fast, I shouldn't say that. What really needs to happen is you need to be tested

in ways like illness, death, tragedy, finances, to see are you really together? Are you really on the same page? Are you a pet? So even a pet illness, whatever it is, like we only got to really know each other and bond deeper and deeper through all of the tragedies that, you know, took place where we realized, oh, we are thick as thieves. Like there's never anything that's going to get between us or

there would be moments where let's say like I'm going to Tony Robbins seminars and I'm growing and then he's like, oh shit, if I don't get on board, I'm not gonna grow with her and then we're gonna grow apart because life is like relationships take those different courses and you're either gonna grow together and we would be like, are we gonna, are we gonna, okay, we made it.

And then we would go up the hill again. That's just relationships in my opinion. And so I think it takes a long-ass time. And I think that's probably what makes it so challenging is everyone gets married in the heat of the moment and everything is amazing and then stuff happens. And, you know. Yeah, I do think it is the harder moments in life

that like show you what is, who the people really are and make you stronger if you survive them. like show you what is, who the people really are and make you stronger if you survive them. Not judging anyone who gets married within the first two years of knowing, but I've never been more emotional than watching a family member or a friend finally get married after being with someone for a decade. I remember my auntie from Germany,

they had a shot, like a weird little like elopement in Vegas. It was like so on a budget. And they had been together for like 15 years at this point. Everyone in that room was just like the tears because when they talk about their love at that point, it had gone through what you said. Like all the trials and tribulations, they were not in that pocket of being new lovers.

They had really done life together. And to me, when you get to that point of finally saying, like I do, having gone through all the uglies with someone, I don't know, it makes my heart swell in a different way. And- Ours too, when you do it, like we were like, it made us feel like it was the first day getting together again. So we flew home from Howard and I was on top of him

in the first class seat, like in the plane. I was like, like just attached in like a whole new way. It was like so cool. I have to see this TikTok though, because I never saw this. Yes. I know they replay, they replay our wedding all the time or,

well, they replay the wedding too, which is so funny. We've done so much on Stern at this point. Maria's a long time boyfriend. So much to say, I can see it all. He wants to say something. You know, I do, and because it's been so long. Are you about to propose to me? I'm gonna die. No.

Oh my God, it felt like he was about to propose right now. That was so funny. No, you're doing no what to. It was so emotional to hear you say everything that he said. Your boyfriend of 19 years wants to talk to propose right now. You're doing Noah too. It was just it was so emotional to hear you say everything. Your boyfriend of 19 years wants to talk to you Maria. Yeah. Go ahead. Because you know listening to everything you said there you know back when we were in the green room and talking about you know what you've been through but I've been through it with you and uh it's just hard you know like I well put tears too because I think about what we both have been through as a couple and when we wanted to to be together you know we

couldn't right because people didn't want us together and then you mean her parents yeah and family and then it was it was literally like the last 17 or 18 years of us you know fighting together and me defending her as best I could and you know and obviously we got to a better place and you got a better deal which is really why she left the other job. I mean, I don't know what businessman wouldn't take a better deal. It was a much better deal and it was global and all that. But you know, it reminds me just how much I do love you.

And although I said that this isn't a proposal. I want to ask you something, Maria. Would you make me the happiest man on earth? And would you marry me? Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. two. I'm dead. This is so funny. Oh my God. JD is the best. JD, you're ruining my fucking moment. Is this a joke? This is a joke. What did you say?

It's not a joke. This I wouldn't joke about. I love you so much and this show's meant so much to both of us. This is the first thing we listened to. Look at my face. On a twin mattress and I said one day you will be on that show and you will be a star. He did.

And here you are, and here we are. And it's like, why not make it official now? You know, will you honey? Will you honey? Poor thing. I know you really love him. Hey. I made him suffer.

See, this is the worst. He's been working on this ring for a long time. I've been working with Beth Stern, the great Beth Stern. Shut up, Beth! She's the only one that, other than our publicist, that, because I had to tell him because I know he'd have a heart attack, no one else knows about this. Your dad last night, I pulled him out of the hotel. That's what I pulled him out.

That's why you pulled him out of the room? Yes. I'm not easily surprised, guys. This was big. Oh my God. Yes, yes, yes! You're like, oh, I forgot to say yes. I'm not easily surprised guys. This is big This whole videos on TikTok and it's viral Wow The ring is going on it is

Maria you should be crying. I've got tears in my eyes. I didn't know I was and now I'm just like. This one? Are you serious? What do you think of the ring? Oh my god I love it. Oh my god it's amazing. You're going to be a married woman finally. Boo. I love you so much. Fuck balls. I love you honey. Fuck balls. It's just such a funny reaction because it's really hard to tell Wow. what you're actually thinking. Oh my God.

Yeah. Oh my God. Let's see the rock. Did I do okay? You did amazing. It's a nice ring right? Oh my God. Beth thought it was outrageous.

Look at my face, I'm like it's real. Holy shit. It isn't a joke. I said Maria's very careful. That's so funny. That's so special. Thanks for letting me remove that. I love it.

I love it. You almost jumped off the couch. Drove away. But if you look, I don't remember when I posted it. It was like on an anniversary, I think, of the implantation. So it was like maybe October. When I went in to tell Kevin that we were pregnant, he literally ran to the other side of the gym.

I don't know why our reactions are so awkward. Which is like, most people go and hug their spouse. We're pregnant. He freaking ran. And then he's like, oh, shit. Oh, shit. And he was like, so much was going through his head, even though he wanted this.

It wasn't that he did. And he was just, it was just so heavy and overwhelming in the moment. It was funny. Because you guys were trying for a while, right? And so you had your baby be a surrogate. Yep. Was like, what is, is there like the journey?

Did you try like to do it on your own? Like what was the... We tried. He had to have a surgery because whatever, I don't know, it's like a common thing with men. We used to call a sperm stupid because they would swim in circles. Oh, that's right.

Stupid sperm. Yeah. Anyway, so we had all kinds of jokes. And then for me, we did the artificial insemination route. He would hang me upside down like a chicken. I mean, we did guys by the ankles. It was really hilarious. No. Yes, we tried really hard. And then after the brain tumor, my

neurosurgeon was like, you can't get pregnant because there's still brain tumor, I couldn't get out. And, you know, typically things grow when you're pregnant. So that's why we had to go the surrogate route. And the surrogate route was like unbelievable. It was the most magical experience. So we have another family now because of them. Whoa. Not just our family, but they're our family now too. I have questions about surrogacy if you're okay, like talking about it.

What is the one thing where you're like, okay, like I trust this person to carry my child. And what do you find is the most important thing to build with that person? Like, I know I've had, I know of people who have even been like, hey, like move closer to us. Let's say if it's a surrogate from Texas, like, hey, like will you live in LA for the duration of the pregnancy?

That's intense. I know, kind of intense, right? But like, what do you find is like the most important thing to kind of get through the surrogacy with that person smoothly? Great questions. I just answered the first one for someone recently, and I already forgot what your first question was. It was, how do you trust them, right?

Yeah. Okay, so for me, I'm blessed because I've interviewed people for more than two decades, so I feel like I have a really good read on people. And so when we met them on the Zoom, I instantly loved them. They were like sweet Midwesterners, and the husband was very honest

that he was confused by her desire to do this, because she said it to him when they were first dating. Oh. And she hadn't even had her own kids. She knew this was a calling inside of her. And so it was, you know, well established in their relationship. This is something she was gonna do at some point.

Yeah, isn't that cool? Wait, that's so beautiful. As someone who recently had a pregnancy that I absolutely hated every second of, like these are the people I wanna find out. I wanna ask, like I wanna know about them because it's so beautiful. So she had said that.

And then he said that as he started going through the process, he started to kind of make sense to him. So I loved his honesty because I would look at profiles and be like, oh no, that guy looks bad. He looks scary. Oh, he just wants money. Like I just, I instantly just be like, oh, no, that guy looks bad. He looks scary. Oh, he just wants money. Like, I just, I instantly just was like, yeah, no. I was profiling the profiles. Were you more worried about who they were with?

Yes. Than the actual, like, woman? 1 billion percent. That makes sense. That's really smart. Wait, why? Because that's the person who has the power in the relationship sometimes. So you just have to watch out like what the influences are,

like you want someone who's gonna be supporting and loving and on the journey. And so I could just tell even just from, you know, from go, this was a no. When I met them, I was like, these guys are amazing. And the second part of your question was, When I met them, I was like, these guys are amazing. And... And the second part of your question was, how did I trust on the actual journey?

So after we chose them, I had already been on the journey for a while and had another surrogate too that couldn't end up carrying, unfortunately. And she was lovely as well. Kim Kardashian was really the reason why I was able to trust, and I'll share why. She had gone through it. She had shared with me so much. And if you know Kim, you know that she's very chill. She is very calm. And she just was like, Maria, do not be overly crazy about this.

Just, you pick the right person, trust them. She's like, I didn't over micromanage, I didn't do any of that stuff. Like she was very chill about the process. We love a delegation queen on this show. We do. We love to delegate. And so, yeah, I love delegating.

I delegate dishes, I delegate laundry, I delegate everything. Thank God Kevin's good. I'm kidding. No, but I'm not, I delegate laundry, I delegate everything. Thank God Kevin's good. I'm kidding. No, but I'm not. He's really good at it. And so she gave me peace of mind because it worked well for her.

And this is the most powerful woman in the world. And she approached it like that. I was like, okay, I'm gonna be cool because I could have been super Taipei, a little kooky too. Where do you lean, right? Like, are you normally, like in other, just everyday things, can you be more chill or are you a little more like? No, I'm more, way more controlling.

Okay. Yes, however, post brain tumor, I've chilled out and I've learned that things work out and I've learned to be less micromanagerial and less controlling and all of that. But I think a baby, I might have been a little more scared. You know, you only have three embryos. You're like, okay, you're gonna be nervous.

So with her, one of the most special things she said to me was I want to do whatever you would do if you were pregnant. And I was like, and so I was like, well, here's what I would do. Knowing diabetes is in my family, I would refrain from sugar. But listen, if I was pregnant and I had a craving, you bet your ass I'd have that sugar. So just be mindful of it.

I'll send you organic meats so that you're eating organic meats, and I'll send you some organic household products. And then, you know, just be careful from there. That's it. Like I just, I, and I trusted her. She was a really responsible woman and had two kids of her own. And it was just the most amazing experience. And we got closer and closer.

And as the date got closer, we were there and we got to all be together as families and, um, and she gives gives birth like we give, you know, a drink glass of water. What? Yeah, she was out and about the next day, like just super, super human. And so, yeah, she was amazing. And how often are you checking in with your surrogate?

Is it like an everyday? No, literally their family. Their family. Like if something happened to us, I would want them to have Athena. Yeah. They're that amazing. So she, we, I also wanted her to feel very connected

to us post this. And then we just, we just stayed in touch. They flew out for different events, different things. And so they've been here with us at our house and they're just really good people. And I just feel so, so lucky that this is how it went. And it was magical and I was there to grab Athena and put it right on my chest.

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Oh my gosh. Kim's amazing. I know. I just, like, I've always just been in awe of her, watching her throughout the years. Like, that woman works. She'll get off a plane at three in the morning, she's shooting a commercial at five a.m. with a smile, and just loving it.

Are you like that too? No, I can get more tired, I think. Like, I don't think I would be, I don't want it as much, that's the problem. So I think it depends on how much you want it to. She really wanted it, that's why she's where she's at. Esther, we have a problem. We don't want things.

Well, number one, we're professional bed-rotters. What's a professional bed-rotter? It's what he... There are two varieties of bed-rotters. One brings food into the bedroom, the other... Me? Yeah, I do not. Kevin, Kevin. Yeah, it's all over the bed sometimes.

I really need to lie down more than I would have thought. Like, and I also like, are you... Since having a baby, the biggest shock to me is that at the end of every day, I feel like I've been in a car accident. My body hurts so. Yeah, I have no wrist. I don't know if your wrist has gone yet. Yeah, my wrist hurts every day.

My wrist is gone. I can't, I couldn't do a downward dog if you begged me. I can't put any pressure on my wrist at all. So I have to like go on my knuckles if I'm doing any kind of stretches or anything. So wrists, hips, everything is sore. And it's like, you'd think like I had never worked out in life, I don't understand.

And you used to wrestle. Yeah, I'm a badass, I'm kidding. I did four matches, it's nothing, but yeah. With surrogacy, is there like a transition period in the beginning where you feel like there needs to be even like more skin to skin or because, you know, like, I know, like, I think maybe even Khloe Kardashian talked about like how she had like, not issues, but there definitely was like a transition period.

She had something to compare it to. Oh, I see. So I don't. Yeah. For me, I did skin to skin with Athena instantly for, I don't know, over an hour. Yeah. And then Kevin and my dad and the surrogate,

everybody got to hold her after. And then I did skin to skin as much as I could. And then when we got home, we continued it, but I didn't think I needed to do it any kind of extraordinary amount. But I noticed a difference. Like when I have her there, there's... She gets more attached to me, like that day, let's say.

It's like a weird thing where she's like, you know, it's like a super connection. I don't know. Yeah. By the way, I didn't do have skin to skin right away because my baby was swept away to the NICU and like I was fine in that moment because I was so relieved that I gave birth but like I look back on it now and I'm like, oh, I like missed a lot of that first three day bonding.

Wow. So it's, I feel like. I don't think it makes a difference at the end of the day because how many babies have gone into NICUs and connected. And also like. But it's, if you can, you know what? I don't think it makes a difference at the end of the day because how many babies have gone into NICUs and connected. And also like- But it's, if you can, you do it. Exactly, yeah.

And skin to skin is still relatively new, right? Like in the sense that like back then there used to be just a baby nursery and your baby stays there. Baby doesn't stay bedside with you. And they do all the shots and they, you know, like, so it was a more like separate area where mom would then be wheeled in

to look at their babies through like a window. So, I mean, and I mean, maybe we created a whole fucked up generation, like based on that, but you know, I mean, that's how they used to do it. Oh, we just get more fucked up. So yeah, in different ways. Hello.

Athena takes a remote control every day and does this. Hello? Mike, that's the closest you're getting to a phone, baby. What has been the most surprising thing about being a parent? How amazing it is. I love hearing that. Yeah, I honestly never knew how amazing. Someone said, I was getting my hair and makeup done and they're like, isn't it so great to hear her in the background in the house?

And I said, yes, like I had no idea that this was going to take from my life in so many ways. I thought, you know, I was going to be stifled. It was going to be too much. I didn't, maybe I was too old or whatever. I had so many fears attached to all of it. But it's Christmas morning every day. She's the greatest thing that ever happened to me.

I don't even know what life was before. And I did, I was really, I was sad. I didn't know why, but Kevin would be like, you want a family. I'm like, I don't think that's it. And then he'd be like, yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. Really? Really?

How did he? He just knows me so well. Whoa. And had it been something you were just'd be like, yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. Really? Really? He just knows me so well. Whoa. And had it been something you were just sort of like, lukewarm about previously? I was scared. I was moving in the direction because I knew I wanted to,

but I was always scared underneath too. Like I was scared because I had a really tough relationship with my sibling. My husband had one with his. Like, we just, we've, I mean, listen, this is how I break it down. McSaddam Hussein had a mom, okay? Osama bin Laden had a mom.

I don't know if I'm gonna get dealt a good hand and I don't wanna roll the dice. Wait, this is exactly why I withheld having a child for so long. And I, for the longest time, because I come from a very traumatic household. Everyone on my mom's side is either an alcoholic or just some really fucked up version of a human

that I would never want in like my bloodline. I was trying to just like kill, in my head, I'm like, I'm killing a whole bloodline. And I think this is the most, like this is the greatest thing I can do to this planet. Oh my God. But that's how I always viewed it. Cause I was like, oh, but then, you know, like... You can change the bloodline.

Yes. So then once I became more informed and got into therapy and learned that, wait a second, this was very likely an environmental thing. This was like, this wasn't like a nature versus, this was very much a nurture issue and they probably didn't get their needs met as children. I didn't get my needs met as a child. So then once I started to understand trauma, then I'm like, okay, it's not a whole bloodline I have to kill. But I used to say that all the time. I'm like, no way, I'm not gonna chance passing this genetics on to someone else. So scary, cause you can't get rid of them. Yeah. Once you have them, what do you do?

And then I learned about boarding school. And I was like, oh, if I get a shit hand, I can just send them to boarding school. And that's when I was like, good, let's go, I'm ready. I swear to God, I'm not even joking. I'm not even joking. Oh my God. That's when I felt better about things.

See, my. OK, so this is, by the way, I feel like all the Gen Z girls are like, do I have kids? Do I not have kids? Like, they're all like, getting in their mid-20s and stuff and thinking of, because you know, you kind of have to start thinking about it. Not, you don't have to, but whatever. We just do, because that's like what we do as women.

But my turning point, because I was very unsure for so long, my turning point was after I had already had a miscarriage, I was sort of like, oh, maybe this was like my out and I'm not supposed to do this. And then one of my friends said, you know, you keep saying, am I going to have kids? Am I not going to have kids? She's like, why don't you just have one kid? And I was like, oh. And then I thought, I know I've said this before, but Natasha Lajero, hilarious comedian, always says one is an accessory, two is a lifestyle.

I'm like, okay, I can just have one accessory and then stop there if that's too overwhelming. So that was like my turning point. You're like, what? No, I love that. I think that's great. We all are gonna have that moment of like, why don't I, that. I think that's great. You know, we all are going to have that moment of like, do I don't I, even the day before we implanted, we were sitting in the front yard,

crazy story. We're sitting in the front yard and I'm like, Kevin, okay, it's tomorrow. Like this is our last chance to pull the plug if we don't want to do this. Like, you know, because you're about to do it and you can't undo it, right? And just as I say that, and I have video of this, a stork flies out of my magnolia tree, over to the tree across the street. I've never seen one in my life. And I was like, okay, I guess that's a sign. Christmas Eve, I'm in Connecticut,

I'm gonna tell my dad that we're pregnant. I'm outside with him and I'm thinking about the fact that tomorrow morning I'm gonna surprise him with this news and a picture of the sonogram and whatever, a stork flies across the way and I go, what's a stork doing here? And it's Christmas Eve. Wow.

Isn't that crazy? So I was like, okay, I hear you, I hear you, got it. She's coming, it's happening, I hear you, got it. She's coming, it's happening. Yeah. I have a question from one of the sluggies that's kind of related to this topic. It's a 34 year old woman who wants to have kids and she feels weird expressing it. That she wants to have kids?

Single. And why is she having a hard time being able to express this? Because she's single, I think, and she's like... She's afraid of the judgment that might be attached. Exactly. Yeah. Oh, well, we are way past that shit in life. Yeah, I think so, too. I think so.

I have male friends who are opting to be fathers and doing the whole solo journey and getting an egg donor and a surrogate and feeling really strong in their decision. So I always say, well, fuck if those men can do it. Like there should be no, if you wanna do it alone solo. By the way, all of last year and the year before that, I had told Esther, it's like, this is something I think I've finally made a decision about,

like, perhaps I do want kids, which was such a flip from the years prior. And I always thought that I would feel good about doing it solo. And I felt strong about that path, like, should I ever wanna do that? But I do understand sort of this, like, shame that I used to have around admitting

that maybe it's something that I wanted. Oh really? Same. Really, why? And it was right around, I think it was because again, maybe, again, fear of like family genetics, number one.

But also feeling like a big kid. Like I never really, did you ever feel like, oh, I'm a woman, I'm a responsible girl. I never felt like I became like a full adult until like way later in like my 30s, so I hadn't really come into myself. I obviously have that too, but that's not why I was afraid at all.

Like that doesn't factor in. It's for me, it was, it's freaking scary to say that you want something that you don't know if you can have it. Ooh. Like that's so scary. Like, especially after miscarrying, you're like, oh, I may never get this. And you're managing your feelings. Yeah, I couldn't admit to myself that I wanted it because I was too scared.

I don't know, like you went through obviously some sort of fertility journey because of where you landed. Like, did you ever, were you ever scared to say that you wanted it? No. Dang. I love that. I never thought about that, but guys, listen,

like I've gone through the wringer. I had a brain tumor, pancreas cancer, diabetes, multiple other conditions. I think I've learned through the wringer. I had a brain tumor, pancreas cancer, diabetes, multiple other conditions. I think I've learned in life at this point that like no one's opinion really matters. Like in the shower just yesterday, it was hitting me. Like when you die, let's not get too grim, but here we go. When you die, people come to your funeral, they cry,

and then life moves on and you don't exist anymore. You only exist to like the core people that you impacted. Right? Your mom, your dad, if they're alive, your friends or whatever, but even their lives. The person who works at Dairy Queen. The person at Dairy Queen. Kevin's favorite by the way. And so their lives just move on and go on.

And by the way, life is supposed to go on. My mom always said, life is for the living. So why are we holding so much of what, or taking so many people's opinions into account that are never gonna give a shit about you when you're gone anyway? This is so true. So they really don't give a shit about you when you're gone anyway. This is so true. So they really don't give a shit about you now either,

really. So unless it's like you're intimate people, and even then, their opinion doesn't matter because it's your life. Why are we doing this to ourselves? Oh God, I wish I had you in my ear a couple years ago. So I think I've actually, here's why I had a lot of shame saying it out loud,

because I had gotten abortions when I was younger. And it was for reasons that were like medical. I was going through like heart conditions. I got an ablation. And because I had terminated pregnancies in the past, I was afraid of what people thought when I do decide to have kids, whether or not they felt like I deserved to have it

at that point. And there was a shame around that, even though I always talk openly about my abortions because I don't think that they were bad decisions. But now I felt like, did I deserve, could I deserve to be a mom? And you're so right. When I die, none of them will be a mom? And you're so right. When I die, none of them will give a fuck.

None of them. Maybe my mom and sister and like a handful of others and that's it. That's it. That's it. God, I wish you were in my ear years ago. I also think- I wish I was in my own ear years ago. Trust me. But like, it just was hitting me in the shower.

I was thinking about somebody. I was approaching a friend whose brother committed suicide and I just approached him at a party and I said, you know, this is probably not a really good time to say this, but I just want you to know, like, I really, I think of him often. And I know people are probably scared to tell you that, but having gone through my mom's death,

I know I like when people bring her up and talk about her because it keeps her memory alive. And we had a really beautiful exchange and that I think maybe the next day that's why I was thinking about it because it was like, I don't know how many of us even have the conversation even if we're thinking about it.

And just like I said, life just moves on. So why put so much stock in what everybody else thinks about you and what you're gonna do? Because just remember they're showing up mostly out of duty, or because the sadness, fine, and then they're going off to fucking Dairy Queen after. They don't give a fuck.

I know Jeff at Dairy Queen will not get over my death. I know that he will mourn me for years to come. I also am now feeling like you maybe, like a purpose, a hidden purpose in your life is that you're meant to show young women who've had abortions that they can still go on and have children. They can want that, they can have that, and they can be happy with that.

Right, I think also it has to do with like, Catholic upbringing of being like, well, you did this, now something, you're not gonna have this. Like there's a sense of like life will punish you bitch. Yeah. You know, and so you hang on to that. I think I hang on to that a little too tightly. That's the part of religion that I have a tough time with

and I'm Greek Orthodox and I love our religion too, but I don't believe God is a punishing God. They always say God is a loving God. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh no, if you don't receive communion before you die, you go to hell. I'm like, wait, but my cousin was killed in a car crash. She didn't have time. So I remember pulling the priest aside and be like,

hey, this isn't working for me. But then they have an excuse to make you feel better because they know you're sad. And I'm like, but that excuse is only because I'm sad right now and you're trying to make me feel better. But you said in church, if you don't, you go to hell. So is my cousin in hell?

Like I remember having these conversations. So I don't believe that you need to, again, systems are the way they are. That's great. I like to create my own version. So in my version of like my religion, God is a loving God. God loves everybody.

I don't care if you're gay or whatever you are, God loves all of his children and God loves us despite, because we were meant to sin. We were meant to make mistakes. Like, we're human. And then we make our adjustments and we grow and we do better and whatever. Sort of to build off of your, like,

visualization of, like, your funeral, no one's going to care, which I love. Have you chosen your funeral song? I'm being a little extreme, but it's kind of true guys. But this makes me sad because I've actually like handpicked the song for my funeral, have you not? I can say I have not, but I will do that today. But actually no, I just did it.

It's on my to-do list. Taylor Swift, Antihero, obviously. I'm done. Really? What's your song? Mine is Roy Orbison, Blue Bayou. I love that song! I love that song. That's so funny. Oh my God.

I mean. Phone in, phone in when it hits ya. I have no idea. I don't know why Hangin' Tough just came into my head when you put it on the block, but it did. To build off of that, just like for this girl, who doesn't wanna say what she wants in life, which I obviously is really late to,

this is advice that a dance teacher gave to me once years ago, which I wish I was, I need to remind myself of it, but it's like, she said, if you're embarrassed about how you're dancing of it, but it's like, she said like, if you're embarrassed about how you're dancing in class, what you look like, everyone is just looking at themselves. No one's looking at you.

We're all looking at ourselves. So it's like, who cares? And that really helped me in dance class. I need to apply to other things again in life, but like, it's so true. This is just the realest, we all just, we're just looking at ourselves. We have to get out of our own way, because our egos, in a sense, are too big to be like,

you know, we're thinking everyone's watching our every move. So I always tell people when they're in the press for some negative reason, I always say to them, I'm like, you're the only one that really knows, and the person that you're in it with, because the rest of us are too busy to pay attention. I, I, it's my job, or was my job, to pay attention and I could barely keep up.

And so, just remember, like, the world is so big. I had Deepak Chopra on my show, and he talked about, like, the Milky Way is, like, not even a fragment of the universe, and yet it's so fucking massive, and we're such lit, not even a speck of salt in the Milky Way. Think of what we are to the rest of the universe.

We really don't matter. So you can make- I find relief in that. We have to find relief in that because we have to free ourselves and especially women, we have to unburden ourselves so, so intensely because we're getting so sick with autoimmune conditions and all kinds of things

because we're so stressed about all of these things that don't matter. I had a woman, another woman, I think her name is Shana Nyquist. She had this really great book and it was talking about concentric circles. Like really look at your life, like concentric circles. In that first circle, it's you, your husband and your baby. That's it. Who do you not want to disappoint outside of that circle?

Like, or who can you disappoint after that? So for me, my circle is Kevin, my dad, and Athena. Those are the people I don't want to disappoint in life. And if you don't do this, you'll end up disappointing them so that you could please everybody in the outside circles. So if you can actually just do this exercise and say, this is what really matters in life. Everything else, yes, I love my friends,

I love everyone around me, whatever. But if I can just keep my focus on, these are the people I don't wanna disappoint, then everything else falls into place. And then everyone has a pecking order in a sense where it's like, okay, I can only do so much. I don't have to be superwoman. And from there, I can see what I can do.

But it's like, I'm not superwoman. I'm healed. Come join the heal squad guys. I've been healed. Where am I in your concentric? You're obviously in the first tier. Everyone around us is in the first tier, guys. But I also feel like I have unconditional,

I guess, no, no adult should have unconditional love with each other. Correct. I forgot, but with you, I do. Like, I just don't feel like I could disappoint you. Like, I'm not at risk of that. Well, actually, I don't know. No.

Yeah, I don't think so. I think we're too far in now. Yeah. It's like, okay. Like, you feel like, you know, sometimes there are family members where you have a rift with, but eventually you know that come the next holiday, you guys are like back on.

We haven't had a rift. We haven't, just that one time. But just know when it comes, you'll be back together at the holidays. Love that. Love that. And there are people where you have a rift with and you're like, oh, there's no coming back from that. And that person's like out, out.

And you're like, that's fine. Yeah, and you're like, oh, this feels good. You know, please exit my tree. You're in the seventh concentric circle. Yes. Right. Marie, I just wanted to quickly say it is 2 30 and I know you had a hard out.

Oh, that's right. You had a hard out, right? Yeah. Let's wrap up. Okay. Okay. Well, thank you for changing our lives. I'm dead. I love you. Needed this. Thank you for all the compliments.

Needed a break from the Rick Lassman type of episodes we have with our crazy comedy friends who drive us crazy. Thank you so much for being here. I'm such a huge fan of your podcast. Heel Squad. Is there anywhere else where people should be looking for more Maria in their life? I think Heel Squad is just my passion after all the health things that I've gone through. Which we didn't even touch on.

And there's so much. Totally okay. Your story is crazy and people need to like go watch Heel Squad. There's so much more to everything you've been through. It's so fascinating. And also, before you go, I just do wanna like thank you that you share all this stuff. Because for me, like when I've gone through health scares

and miscarriage, whatever it is, like it's, when celebrities speak out about that stuff, it, they, you don't know how much you're helping people. Like it's just, it's such a big deal. It makes, it makes these things less scary. So thank you. And I have so many more questions, but like, thank you for always sharing

cause you've gone through cancer and tumors and so much. We love you. Thanks for being here. This is so fun. You guys go listen to Heal Squad and we'll see you next week with a brand new episode.