Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn - Natasha Leggero and Sabrina Jalees Parenting Hot Takes

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://trymiracle.com/TRASHTUESDAY and use the code TRASHTUESDAY to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF.” We’ve got comedians Natasha Leggero and Sabrina Jalees, Good Enough Podcast, hanging with us for some hot takes on gentle parenting, Khalyla getting hit with banana peels in her youth, and the idea that raising kids is all about balance. They’ll probably end up in therapy anyway. Trash Tuesday LIVE! January 28th at the Comedy Store. Tickets on sale now! https://www.showclix.com/event/trash-tuesday-2026-january   BTS, BONUS CONTENT AND MORE! Only on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/TrashTuesdayPodcast     MORE SABRINA: https://www.instagram.com/sabrinajalees/ MORE NATASHA: https://www.instagram.com/natashaleggero/ Good Enough Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@GoodEnoughPcast  F*%k your khakis and get The Perfect Jean 15% off with the code TRASHTUESDAY15 at https://theperfectjean.nyc/TRASHTUESDAY15 #theperfectjeanpod *Listen to Esther's New Solo Pod!* https://www.esthersgrouptherapy.substack.com*Visit Ebb Ocean Club & Holiday Shop* https://www.ebboceanclub.com/ for Khalyla’s reef safe and biodegradable hair products! FOLLOW TRASH ON SOCIALS: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/itstrashtuesday Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@itstrashtuesday  MORE ESTHER:TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@esthermonster Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/esthermonster/  MORE KHALYLA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/khalamityk/ Tigerbelly Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@UCIyIoM_Nd8HtY19fuR_ov2A   PRODUCTION:Studio Ten42: https://www.instagram.com/studioten42/ Guy Robinson: https://www.instagram.com/grobfps/ Arielle Jade (Editor): https://www.instagram.com/jade.rabbit.cce/ Elisa Hernandez Kohler: https://www.instagram.com/ellie.lianna/ Megan Clements:  https://www.instagram.com/egggymeg/ 

I want you to hit me in the next 10 to 15 seconds. Oh! You don't do it to me. I'll do it to me. Ow, that really doesn't hurt. Are you serious? Okay, Kalila, we have a huge announcement to make. I can't believe I said yes to this.

It is booked. It is on. It is happening. I can't back out. You guys, we're doing a live show. Tickets are on sale. It is too late to change your mind. It's too late to back out.

Yeah, I'm doing this. Los Angeles. We are doing our first live show in so many years. And I have been foaming at the mouth. But listen, it's going to be my first night out ever since having a baby. You're right. That is so. Because, you know, it's like past his bedtime.

I put him to sleep. So you guys, I'm sacrificing my motherhood duties to be there with you guys. I'm not. I'm good. She'll be very pregnant. Oh, no. Oh, my God. I'm going to be so big.

You're going to be like four weeks away from birth. So, you guys, Wednesday, January 28th at the comedy store in the main room. I'm going to love seeing every day. Jenna will be there. Jules will be there. Well, we have a bunch of regulars booked and ready to go. Sluggies galore. I'm just really excited and I want this to go well so that we can do it more often and I think it's going to. So get tickets. Get your tickets. It's going to sell out and we'll see you there in January. A fun little post-holiday, like something to look forward to. Post-holiday pre-birth. Welcome back to Trash Tuesday. We're back in the new studio. We love it.

we're so grateful we're pretty can you believe it i've had to look at your ugly face fucks i'm just kidding no it's true i had bell's palsy are you serious yeah like two days after i gave birth i just paralyzed what yeah are you kidding me no that's what happened and then everyone was like oh everyone fucking gas lit this shit out of me they're like oh give it a couple weeks you'll be fine but it turns out that's not the case with um postpartum moms because we're anemic healing our bodies are fuck so mine never fully healed so everyone can fuck off with her medical advice is it not fully healed it's not really yeah i have synchinesis it's probably i'm probably going to have some type of like lack of movement and dysfunction for the rest of my life and was that the first time that that happened yeah no way

and percentage wise how how often does this happen with mom i don't know percentage wise but i know that your chances of getting it are three times higher in pregnancy and postpartum but i don't know how your postpartum unit was but my nurses were not nice postpartum like i would was as soon as the baby was out. What hospital was it? Cedars. Yeah. I didn't sleep.

They helped me with nothing. Yeah, but then labor and delivery was incredible. Yeah. But postpartum was a nightmare for me. And they stick you in that really small room. Well, it's like long term. The post, it's like easy to be like fun and charming in the big delivery room because it's like you're in, you're out.

It's like doing like a five minute set versus doing like a 24 hour marathon set. Yeah. Wait, should we introduce our guess? It's not that they need an introduction, but they just started a new podcast. I've been watching every week. It's so good. It's about parenting. They're so honest.

And like I just don't have anywhere else to turn for that kind of material in my life. Please welcome the hilarious comedian, Sabrina Jalise and Natasha Lager. Oh, what a good intro. Thank you. And Natasha, I think I maybe tell you this one's every three years. I do have a framed photo of us in my office. And it's every time I remember that I have that, I'm like, that's weird. What are you guys doing in the photo?

Are we in a hot tub? Yeah. I had to frame it. I just, I love you so much and I'll just leave it there and then I'm going to be normal the rest of the time. I'm so excited you guys are here. The podcast is called Good Enough.

It's called Good Enough. Yeah. And we also were like, what is this garbage? There's nothing for parents that isn't like about, you know, being some sort of perfect version. It's like how bad you are. Yeah. And it's like we, when we get together, we connect and it makes us feel better to talk about

like yeah this is fucking hard and so we thought we should we should spread that give like a chill parenting you know vibes i want to ask you klyle what synchinesis that you said you had oh so it's basically say it right yeah it's synchinesis oh synchinesis yeah so when your nerves are like coming back online um they're supposed to come back online a very specific way like the original way except now they're confused so they cross wire so when i purse my lips and my eye will shut. This is convinced me that we all are AI. And this is the way it was explained to you.

It was like, well, your modem went down. And so the coating was crossed. And this is from giving birth, like the shock of giving birth? The stress of it, the blood, like, I guess the blood loss. I want to say you look great. Thank you. I also want to say I've known a couple. I've known a couple people that this happened to.

You do? Really? I do. Yeah. It actually, it happened to our donor on his wedding day. And it happened to another friend. And everything chills out over time, but it's, like, not as fast as you want it to be. And I will also say there's a strength in having just a face that doesn't move.

In fact, look at every famous actor. And I'm not talking about Botox. I'm talking about, like, what I'm realizing is, like, the only time I'm booking work is when I'm like, what do you mean? Like, it's like holding your face. You're saying it helps your acting to, like, underact. Just shut every part of your face down and whisper. And they're like, who's this powerful, bitch? Oh, yeah, like you're, I am always envious of the girls on the red carpet who are just, like, serious.

Like, how do you do it? It would be so embarrassing. It feels foolish. It's directors continuously telling you, like, stop moving your face. Like, you just want to look out into the ether. Like, you're, like, looking for some serious thing, you know? Like, none of us. I'm always hand on my hip, dimple.

Well, because we're like, stand up and we're like, hey, everybody. We can't, look at the business we're in. Like, we can't. be taken seriously on the red carpet. You don't think it's out. You could still. No, she's, it's over for me. She's in comedy.

I got this. Oh yeah, you do always do that. I'm always doing things with my hands too, and I regret it so deeply, and it's always like you're like surrounded by real actors who do it all the time. You could just look to the left or right and just do something exactly like what they're doing, but instead

too much handwork. Yeah. Wait, I want to talk about gentle parenting. Please. One, because I don't fully understand what it is. But, like, do you guys subscribe to that or what is your idea of what it is? Have you explored this at all? We definitely talk about it often on the podcast because we're always talking to people

about, like, what's working for them with their parenting, what are they, what's challenging them in their parenting. We had one of the women from Big Little Feelings, you know, that account? It's like, it's a parenting account. It's got like four million followers. And so it's a lot of memes or a lot of like sort of infographics and ideas on how to parent. And I think the first thing to acknowledge is like there's no fuck, you can't put a title on like a parenting style. And like that's the one because sometimes you do need to be gentle and sometimes you need to be firm.

And what I hate about the gentle parenting trend is this idea that we are having this huge like polar juxtaposed reaction to the old. guard of like abusive parenting and it's like you get to pick out your belt yeah and it feels like gentle parenting as if you're going to take it sort of like to to the tea feels like it was created by a trembling person that was hit by a belt you know what I mean like don't say no and don't lighting shouldn't be too harsh it's just like life is fucking hard and kids need both positive and negative feedback and you don't give it like a troll and you don't spin everything about your kid like it's positive and somewhere in the middle you'll find your way and either way hopefully your kid ends up in therapy because I mean isn't that better I mean I think it's been pretty proven that authoritative parenting is the thing that we're supposed to be doing which is having very strong boundaries but being very sweet about it and being very loving about it whereas like authoritarian like I had a lot of boundaries and no one was nice about it authoritative sounds so I know it sounds dictated I know, but it's not. Authoritarian is what my family was, which was like, this is my house, this is how you do it, you're in trouble, here's your consequence. We're supposed to be having strong boundaries, but doing it in a more loving way. Yeah, like loving guidance. Yeah, everyone I talk to it seems like that's the goal. Yeah. I don't, I'm not exactly sure where gentle comes into that. Do you feel like you're able to successfully execute that or do you struggle with it? Yeah, I struggle. It's the work, you know? Like, even,

Even how like a relationship, there's always going to be that little percentage that you're always working on your issue, you know, and relationships kind of, it's the same issue over and over again. I have it in my marriage. And with your kid, it's almost like they're going to have their thing that you're going to have to work on. My child's very strong-willed and doesn't want to take no for an answer ever. And so that is my particular thing. I really have to work on and really work with saying no and not being upset when I make her. upset by not letting her have everything she wants. It's so hard for me.

And I know friends who that's not their trip with their kid. They got to work on something else. Their kid has social anxiety. Their kid, you know, it's like you have your thing with your kid. And I think it really starts to rear its head when their full personalities are coming out now that they're eight. Both of our kids are eight or seven. They're going to be eight.

Yeah. I think we both are very kind to our kids and have almost like a friendship. And not in a way. don't you write your comments. I'm a parent, okay? I'm doing parenting things. But when you're trying to approach the journey of like shepherding your child through this life with joy and infusing a lot of joy and like just by way of living in L.A.,

these kids are spoiled. You know, they have too much. And you can't cosplay your way into making them feel like they don't have pretty much everything that they want to need. And like it becomes about, I feel I almost like slip into a character. which is bitch. You have to be bitch sometimes. Like Shauna and I will sometimes look at each other and we're like,

he's taking it too far. Let's be bitch. And we start and we're like, we have to agree because if we were in our real selves and dealing with him as if he was our friend, we would tell him a note and then keep on moving on. But if you just give your child one note about something that actually does suck, you know, they're being unkind.

They're not listening to you. They're not respecting you. You say, hey, respect me. They go, yeah, yeah, yeah. move it along and if you don't take a moment to make it like no no no no did you hear me because the way that you said that to mama is unkind and a lot of the parts of your day revolve around all of us bringing positive energy so if you are going to decide that you don't care about the energy you're creating and we're going to have to create different energy it's not dissimilar from like

the dad in the car being like you want me to teach you know it's like it's a version of that but I think we like throw the baby out with the bathwater and then the babies suck. We did listen to that better though. Of course. But you know what? I think everybody needs some sort of tone shift and eye contact that makes, that has stakes for your child. Otherwise

you're powerless and we have to create that without hitting them. Yeah. We can't hit them for it. And hating them was the easiest one. My son is so young but even he knows the different tones where it's like you know he's too young so like I want him to explore his surroundings. There isn't, I don't say

know a lot but if it's involved safety like the cords my tone is my tone and then he stops and he's like okay that that sounded really different yeah but like you i grew up very very authoritarian household the beatings choose your belt choose your banana peel choose your weapon like choose your banana peel you get hit with a banana peel that's just wacky well i have to say i was not hit a lot i was spanked with a paddle i've never heard of choose your banana peel She's from the Philippines, bro. Yeah, the Philippines. Oh, this is Banana Peel, Philippines?

I think my mom just had her own version of martial arts. That was her version of gentle parenting. She's like, I'm doing it with a banana peel. But this is so soft and nutritious. Yeah, yeah. She was a wild one. I got hit with a pineapple, bitch. The paddle sounds like pretty like intentional and like across the lap with a paddle, right?

Yeah. That was like the vibe. That's like BDSM vibes too. But you guys, that was pretty normal. Yeah. I'm a little older than you, but like in the 80s, like that was how people parent. I mean, I didn't know anyone who didn't get hit. Yeah, really?

No, I don't. Everyone got hit. Yeah. Oh, you're Canadian. My mom had one time took out a wooden spoon and we just kind of were like, this is obviously not happening. But she at least got the spoon out. I think that I got one on the bum, like a little, but like it was never, I think it was already sort of phasing out. That's like me when I bring out the spray bottle to my dog.

I'm like, shaking. I'm going to spray you. And then I'm like, I'm just kidding. I love you. Give me kids. I can't do it. Oh my God. Esther, you got it coming.

I know. No, you guys need to be bitch. Be a little bit bitch. Do not, guys. You guys have to because do you want a nightmare child or do you want a child that understands energy and kindness? I even did the shadiest thing the other day. Like, she, oh, she wanted something. And I was like, Daddy.

says you can't have that and then Dave looks at me across me and he's like what the fuck like I didn't know what else to say I'm so sorry you need to be a team I'm like uh I feel because it's so interesting hearing you guys like you guys are at the stage where you know the personality you know what you're up against like

I because she's 20 months it's like I don't I'm trying to like get a set I don't know well my younger one I also don't know but there's little hints you know like him pushing something off the table and smiling is like okay I see you. They give you little hints of what they're going to be up to. And it is really hard.

This is something kind of maybe more of a conversation for when they get older because they also say, you know, I was just watching this video on like hitting because sometimes Rowan will hit me. And I'd be like, no. And he'll be like, oh, this big reaction, even though it's saying no, he's into it. So I have to troubleshoot and figure out like a different reaction. Neutral. But I kind of just put him in his cage.

There's that, you know, those cages. Shana doesn't like for us to call it a cage, but it's a cage, right? Oh, like the gated communities? I like gated communities. I drive him to the valley. You know the little play spaces? Yeah, yeah. I just put him in there.

I go, no, I put him in there. And then he's like, why am I stuck in here? And hopefully he realizes it's because he's being physically abusive with me. It's just, it takes a lot of repetition. And I think that really just trying to get your boundaries going is very hard. And also incentivizing within the boundaries. One thing that I feel is working is like incentivizing being good. You know?

So that because if everything's always good no matter how they act, it's like incentivize the little treats that you were going to give them anyway. You know, we were going to order pizza anyway. But Wolfie, if your handwriting is really great for this sentence, we're ordering dominoes. You know, it's like attaching. See, that scares me because then I'm like now food is a reward and like, you're going to have an eating disorder like me. Like, I don't, if it's feeling eating disordery, then that's one thing.

But I just think like we measuring every single thing that we do also just creates anxiety, which is more infectious, I think, than just trusting that like, you love this kid. The thing that is not intuitive for all of us is being bitch. So we have to create the character and stick to it together in your partnership and make it feel like there is a repercussion when your kid misbehaves or doesn't respect you. Clyla, do you ever talk to your mom about like how were you so hard on me? Like maybe she could give you some tips.

Like she just did it the way her parents did. There's no, I don't think she thought any more than that. Also, she was 22, 23. Do you like unsolicited parenting tips? Yeah. I actually do too. But I'll tell you who doesn't. My mom.

I'm sure your mom doesn't either My mom is just like I think I've just bombarded her With you fucked up so hard So like for the past like 15 years Every time you eat a banana You send a picture and you're like bitch And the way that I'm working on this in therapy

I don't know how to be nice to her And I've become her abuser Because it's like everything she says I either have to correct Or Or change because that's what she did to me It's almost like a knee jerk reaction So I have to kind of stop that

at its tracks and be like hey she's a she's a changed evolved woman she's really a great grandmother she's kind to you she helps you in motherhood but it's that kind of knee jerk it lives so deep in my body all the time she's ever beat me so that's i'm working on that like that's been the forefront of my therapy sessions it's like how do i treat her with loving kindness you have to move through that you have to move through that this is a real feeling that you're upon and i think this is very common and shana my wife also i think has moved through a similar thing where it's like you have this baby and on one level you relate to your mother in this new way where you're like oh my god this was the role that you had but then she was 22 yeah and only had the guidance of her abusive

past right and her response to any sort of anxiety or tension was to try to beat you into a good girl yeah which is so misguided but you are a good girl I am a good girl you are a good girl And I feel like moving through this phase And being like real to yourself about it And moving through it in therapy I feel like you will actually get to a place Where the goal place that you're talking about Will feel more natural

Yeah, where it doesn't have to, I don't have to stop and think about Because when she goes home at the end of the day After she's helped me out with my baby With vacuuming, with folding my clothes, doing laundry, everything Like working for you? She is the best grandma. Well, that's crazy. But that's sounding like full.

service nanny. She is. She is. She is wonderful. Forgive her. I know. I know. Yeah. I got a deal with my mom and she's not doing shit. She's incredible. You guys. Like I like I cannot even believe how lucky I am to have her. Everything. Everything. Everything. And then when she goes home. She's just a victim of the times. I know. And when she goes home, I like, I cry. I'm like, why did I? Why did I say this to her? What I? And then I go backwards and I text her. I'm like, hey, Ma, thank you so much. I love you. You're the best. But it's always after. I can't do it in real time. I snap at her and I don't know how to snap. Abusive boyfriend. I love you. Please stay. I know. She probably has childhood trauma that made her unable to do her own thing.

And she then just kind of did what women did then or what they were told to do. Yeah. It was just yeah. But she's the best. I guess like incentivizing it too where you're like whatever movement you have in healing this relationship with your mother is going to be a gift for your child and like demonstrating that. Sean, I've seen her have such a journey with my in-laws.

And it's like, it does feel sort of like all of the work that you're doing to, to like feel the thing, execute it poorly, apologize and know you're headed to a place where you don't want to have to feel so loaded about it is going to pay off. And it's going to be so beautiful. It already is. When I look back now at the newborn trenches, I mean, my baby was a refluxy baby. he wasn't a baby that liked to be put down on his back. And my mom knew, because I had Bells Palsy,

my postpartum anxiety was so horrendous. Like I was afraid of my own shadow. You came out with a disability. Yeah, I was afraid to hold my baby next to a window because I thought a stray bullet would come through. Like, my brain was just so dis. Wait, a bullet? Why? Because that's where my anxiety thought.

If I hold him, she had the baby in America. Yeah. That's what postpartum. I never experienced postpartum. So part of postpartum is like horrifying envisions of like the anxiety is like yeah it's it's not like rooted in any reality it's just like you've taken it to a whole new cinematic level of like final destination outcomes yeah and um during this time i couldn't sleep because i was afraid of everything and my mom for three months

every night would hold that baby awake like she and she would tell me i'm not going to bed because i know that me sleeping will make your anxiety worse because you're going to be like the baby you know and he couldn't be laid flat because of his reflux so she held him every night every night for 12 hours and i was like okay i bet she's also in in within that like labor she's also apologizing yeah the way she did it with you i think so and the way she sees you acting with your child and the way she's emulating that yeah is like you really are teaching her how to do it more lovingly and that's so beautiful yeah and i love when she says you're an incredible mom like she's never really said you're any she never really given me any compliments

in my life that's just not part of our love language at all she's never and really said hey i'm sorry for you know the banana peals but that was it was so big to hear that from her she's just like i am like so in all of you like this is you're doing it right i didn't do it right but you're doing it right i can't believe her mom says that too that's amazing that takes a lot because a lot of people in that generation, they're not willing to go there. I mean, we're, we're seeing Esther Perel on our algorithm every day. It's like we are going to be a different group of people, like, you know, because we're all so introspective now and therapists and thinking about things in just a different way, even thinking about what kind of parent you are didn't used to be a thing.

On my deathbed, I will still be thinking about how last year my mom said to me, your child would be better off in daycare than at home with you that will not go away i hate to be a mom apologist but i do think kids should go to daycare i think it's like i've dropped my kid off a daycare he's got his back on he's got his co-workers i think you're right you know it's like we are all sort of in this board game it's like we don't if we lived in the jungle or or the board game of our life wasn't this like western society that we are all kind of training our kids up into. I agree.

I mean, we don't do daycare, but whenever we go somewhere where it's like, you know, a story time or like there's a bunch of other little kids, watching her just mess around with other kids, it's so fun. I don't know, that's so cute. It's really cute. And it's the beginning of them starting to feel this like, this like independence and confidence that is so cute because it's like, you still shit your pants. You know, like you shit your pants.

You need me so much. But, like, in this configuration, this is your job. I really see it as a job. How do you guys feel about, because I assume we're all here women who became mothers, like later post-35-ish, whatever? How do you guys feel about that? Like, because for me, a big thing that I dealt with after I had her was all this, like, shame and regret that I didn't want her sooner and that I didn't try sooner.

I mean, I just feel like if you had her sooner, you wouldn't have had the resources to have her in the way that you wanted. and you wouldn't have the choices that you may have. And you certainly would have regrets about things in your career that you wouldn't have been able to see through. That's so real. And you and Benji were doing that show. You would have just been like...

With a baby. Nursing. Wouldn't have the band with. I think it's like now that women are seen as humans, there's a shift. And I think late 30s is kind of in all of my peers, that feels sort of like the natural time to be getting into it. unfortunately, no one talked to us.

The natural time, not for our, not yet. Unfortunately, our rooms are like, peace out, bitch. I'm on TikTok. I'm retired. That is the time, right? It's like, I feel like 20s, you're trying, you're like figuring out who you are. 30s, you're finally like honing in on your voice and you're starting to actually be able to create some sort of stable career out of it if you're lucky.

And then by the end of your 30s, maybe you've got 50 cents in your pocket to like make this thing happen. the baby not 50 cents adjust for inflation this was recorded in the year 1722 but also this is brand new like in the past 10 20 years like you know this this way that women can have kids is like yeah it all makes sense do you feel that at all like was that any part of your postpartum struggles or are you no no I'm so glad I waited really okay that helps me to hear um 40 sounds perfect I had a newborn in my arms when I turned 40. I was like, I think this feels correct. And Esther, you look 14 if that helps. Thank you so much. If that helps a swage some of the. Up close, you would be scared. But thank you.

I'm close. I'd say maximum 15 up close. Lighting is everything. Do you ever wake up sweaty, uncomfortable? And you realize like the temperature in your bedroom, it can really make or make or break or bake your sleep. That's why I've switch to Miracle Made sheets. They're inspired by NASA technology and use silver-infused temperature regulating fabric to help you sleep perfectly all night long. Thank you to their antibacterial silver technology. Miracle made sheets stay cleaner and fresher up to three times longer than regular sheets. That means fewer odors, fewer wash cycles, and way less laundry. Upgrade your sleep or give the gift of better rest. Go to try miracle.com slash trash Tuesday to try Miracle made

sheets today. You'll save over 40% and when you use promo code Trash Tuesday, you'll get an extra 20% off plus a free three piece towel set. They make an amazing gift and with a 30 day money back guarantee, there's no risk. That's try miracle.com slash trash Tuesday. Code Trash Tuesday at check out. Thanks to Miracle Made for sponsoring this episode. This podcast is brought to you by the perfect gene. So I've been really struggling with gift ideas for my partner this holiday season, but I think I've found a solution, and that's the perfect gene. What's cool about the perfect gene is that it moves with you. They're super comfortable. They look like real jeans, but feel like loungeware. And I think for me, that is the ultimate combination. The perfect gene has six fits,

a size range from 26 to 50 inch waist and lengths up to 38, giving you 5,000 ways to find your perfect match, whether you're thick, whether you're skinny, short, tall, no matter where you fall, the perfect gene has you cover. These genes are made for real bodies, not mannequins. Perfect gene is a great value at only 799. And for a limited time, our listeners get 15% off their first order plus free shipping at the perfect gene.n. NYC or Google the perfect gene and use code Trash Tuesday 15 for 15% off. That's 15% off for new customers at the perfect gene.n. NYC with promo code Trash Tuesday 15. you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them.

Please support our show and tell them we sent you. Fuck your khakis and get the perfect gene. Thank you. This is our banana break, which now I realize, Claire, is this triggering? You guys do this every time. This is why I love bananas. You've only ever talked about the beatings here. Are we all going to get to try it out or that'll be too trouble?

I wouldn't know what? I really don't mind. Natasha, if you want to slap me with a banana. I can't finish a banana. That's the problem. I'll finish this in three seconds. It's going to be the actual banana. Why do you guys do this?

Because Dr. Drew says we all recreate our trauma And I think this is why I love bananas I'm obsessed with bananas We recreate our trauma How do you stop recreating your trauma? There is something really deep going on with this Right This being not just something that like

I thought you were fucking with us Because she said that she was beaten with bananas But it's like it's our Banana break Regular Can I tell you the hair clip I was about to wear to today A banana Oh my God

It's in my bones, you guys. I'm on your side, Kalila, but maybe I shouldn't say this. It just doesn't seem like it would hurt that bad. If someone hit you in the face. I'm always minimizing her beatings. I'm like, but look at how hardworking you are. And like, you're such a good swimmer because of it. I'm like, I wish I had that discipline.

Like, I'm so jealous. You are. You were a swimmer, right? I was on swim team because my mom made me do it. But I do think there is something to making your kids do things and it's freaking hard I feel like Esther I don't want to tell her to do anything I don't want to give her a piece of fruit that's out of season see I'll do that I'm like you won't notice I'm having the better one we will the producers explain to us what is

fuck around and find out parenting kind of just the opposite of the gentle parenting just letting the kids sort of discover the consequences of their own actions right like put that's just called being a deadbeat parent is it I kind of am kind of like that you're a dead beat. Bitch. No, you're not. But it's like, so if they don't want to wear a coat, then be like, okay, and then they freeze.

I just feel like one thing, our instinct when our kid falls is wrong. They're made of like gelatin, you know? Like I was taking a bath outside. This is my reminder to everyone. If you have a cloth foot tub,

access to a cloth foot tub, put her in your backyard, you're in your own Viagra commercial every day. Hot water. That's the next step. So you, you, hook up the hot water. Okay.

I take a bath outside often with my baby. And yesterday, he was trying to get out. And I was doing fuck around and find out parenting because I was like, let's see. Let's see if you can get out. So he put his turkey leg over and then he did a action stunt full flip over and fell on his head and neck. Very shocking. This is not good for our podcast. This is great for our podcast.

No, I'm saying he was pretty okay. Pretty okay. That's what Jonathan Haidt says. He calls it the broken arm tax. Like, what's the worst that's going to happen? Your kid might get a broken arm, but they're out playing in the trees and that they need to...

Because the whole thing about this parenting is that people are way too cautious about outside and completely not cautious at all about the internet. About where they go on the internet, yeah. Yeah, so it's like, how do we reverse that? So what you're doing is like, hey, let them do their thing. I'm not hitting you across the face. Sabrina, on the face?

Is that what they would do? Yeah, yeah. Just my mom. I don't want to put this on all Filipinos. I can't, sorry. I can't. I can't. I'll do it to myself.

I'll do it to myself. What? You want me to do it to you? Yes. Like, really do it? Can I give you a pro tip? Yeah. If you really want maximum impact, you're going to have to have this hanging.

Oh, that's really. I thought this was the handle. That's not the handle. You hold it from here. You want this dropping. I want you to hit me in the next 10 to 50 and 70. Oh! Oh!

Oh! You don't do it to me. I'll do it to me. Ow, that really doesn't hurt. Are you serious? I'm sorry, are you mad? You told me to do it. She begged you.

No, I'm not bad, I asked for it. It's like a slap across the face. I think it will get red. Yeah, it is. Oh, that really hurts. It's really not bad. It's a couple fingers, you know. It's like three fingers to the face.

It's definitely like, it's definitely a slap. Yeah, it's a slap. You can't really slap yourself across the face. No, no, no, no. I do think it's hilarious. And I do wonder if it should be mixed into gentle parenting. I think if you gentle parents

90% of the time, but then 10% is banana time. If you're getting the banana in the face, I think it could offset the damage of gentle parenting. Well, I have to say, like, this is interesting, this fuck around and find out. Oh, so how did you end up? You're like, okay, he's okay.

So he did cry. I had to kind of decide in my psychotic mind whether I was going to rewrite what happened. But he did cry, but I let him have the minute. I held him. I put him back in the bathtub. And then I let him play with a while. I distracted him with like the wad,

the, the, the, faucet and then he got into the faucet. I think it's like comforting, you know, when they need it and moving on to something else. They're so at the age of my younger and your kids, they're so easily distracted. And I think it's like, to me, the psychology of it is like bad things happen. And oh my God, here's something interesting. So let's focus, let's divert the attention instead of like doubling down. And oh my God, it was shocking for me to see. I'm like, this is paid done man work what you did but also like when they get older like this fuck you have to think about like what is my parenting style how's it going to affect me so fuck around and find out in this

example they're like okay well he it's cold out i know it's cold out he doesn't want to wear his jacket he's just going to have to find out that's stupid now cut to i'm going to have an annoying kid complaining they're cold asking to borrow my jacket and instead what i've started doing which Sabrina's wife told me to do which has been one of the best things for the stage of parenting I'm at a very willful seven year old I say

time to put on your jacket she goes I don't need a jacket today and I go it's not an option babe yeah and that's what Shauna told me to say and now it's I'd say it with everything because it's sweet it's nice but it's also

authoritarian in the sense where it's like this is what you're doing yeah yeah the tone of is did I stutter? But it's also like, it's not an option. It's firm. And, you know, that's really been challenging because part of me is like, yeah, just let her find out.

She's going to need a jacket, you know? And then the other day I made her take a jacket. She didn't want it. And we left it at the restaurant. It was really hard to get it again. And you know what I mean? It's like, part of me is like, well, this was annoying. But, you know, it's hard.

Or she won't wear sunscreen. You do everything to keep them safe. You try your best to have everything that you need when you get out the door. But I will say, like, I'm kind of the dad. My kids call me Baba, which is worthy for dad, I thought. Why does my daughter call me Baba? Because she's Pakistani.

And I actually wanted to talk to you about that after this rap, is that you're raising her as a white feminist. That's my name, Baba. And she's actually a South Asian feminist. But yeah, I do not have every single thing that I need when I get out the door. And that's maybe, again, how I'm fuck around and find out. But I also think it's, like, good for our kids to know they will be so pampered and taken care of if Shaana's out the door with them they're going to have snacks they're going to have water

they're going to have and like my kid not my little baby but my kid who's seven going to be eight it's like you might want to start thinking about if you're going to be thirsty later you might want to pack your water i don't have one dude i don't have a purse i will never go to the beach with what i need you don't you promise it doesn't matter it doesn't i just can't do it and i do feel like she should be remembering things and she doesn't and never will wait okay I have to bring something off subject but I just feel like I need advice my sister my favorite topic I thought you were an only child I am a half only child I have an older sister for my mom's first marriage she's eight years older so okay legally I am considered only child because I you know I'm annoying and whatever so and selfish

she legally in my family like we on our group texts like we definitely are free like problem dump right like we just let it all out we don't hide whatever and most of my sister's problems i'm like a huge bitch about i'm like you this is your fault you suck like whatever i hate you like stop doing this okay she should have a drink with your mom but i feel so bad because two months ago her ex-husband took his own life oh my god and that was the father of her two children and this is like that's like traumatic as fuck like I can stand children yeah it's like your kids lost their dad in this horrible tragedy that like makes no sense and like should never have happened but she keeps like I've noticed she'll just like keep texting like every day every few

days like I can't believe this happened like I'm crying outside the my son's football game like she's clearly really struggling with it and this is the one where I'm like yeah like Like, yes, I, you know, I try to say encouraging things, but she is that type of person that won't go to therapy. And like, I just don't, it's like, I can say the things that I feel will be helpful, but I'm also like in over, it's like above my pay grade. And I don't really know how to help her if she's, if it's not like with a professional. So I don't really know what to do.

But what if she just, because this is a problem I have with people is that I always want to fix their problems or help them. Same. And maybe it's more about listening. Yeah. I think you have to listen because I think when you say she's the kind of person that doesn't want to see a therapist, A, maybe this becomes a catalyst for her to be like, I cannot manage this. And talking to you and having you listen is not enough.

Here I am a year later. It's not feeling any different. I'm going to need to do something different. Maybe that could be a silver lining from this deeply tragic thing. Yeah, it's also really hard because, like, I, you know, I'm on Lexa Pro for my anxiety. and then it's like I see all the symptoms that I have in her and I'm like I know this would help you and I do say it because I am you know I'm just like I'm telling you this is the one subject where I'm really nice when it's about her and her ex I'm like you fucking lose her but like

with this I'm like I understand like I see it you know and I just know it's not going to happen and I think I'm just struggling with I think this is like a probably a recurring theme with my relationship with my sister is like seeing her struggle in ways and wanting to fix it, but having, being completely powerless. And she doesn't put her kids in therapy because of this? Her, the daughter, my niece is in therapy, and my nephew isn't because I guess he keeps saying he doesn't need it, but I'm like, he probably does. Yeah.

I mean, isn't that, like, kind of like, as we stretch into our 40s now, it's kind of like, this is the big new lesson is like, I feel like there's like something. in your 30s where you're like, I'm tailoring my life. You're cut out. You know, like, I'm not, I'm not like boundary. You're like titillated by these ideas of like, I can choose the design of my life. And then at 40, you're like, well, you know what? If I boundary every fucking person out, if I'm like, my sister's not taking any advice and

it's really bumming me out, so I'm just going to cut her out. It's like, you start to be like, oh, actually I just need to accept. And it's really hard for me too because I, you might be able to tell. I'm like, I'll tell you how to do everything the way I do it, you know? No, it's like that's part of my personality, but it's like I think that now I also need to make this amendment to my personality and I'm working on it to be like, I am the kind of friend. I feel like when people talk to me, I'm quite opinionated and I've got sort of this like prescriptive advice, but I also want my friends to know and my family that like once I've given

it, if you find yourself circling around the same drain and it's again, I'm like labeling it drain, which is judgment, I'm still here for you. And I love you. Yeah. And I think it's hard too because I actually am the kind of person where I want to hear your opinions. I want to be told. I want to change. And that's kind of how it is like with my parents too. Like we'll all sort of like hear the people out and like take sometimes like really take the advice, take the action or whatever. And so I don't know. I just I'm like, I would listen to me. So why aren't you? I just, It's a frustrating thing. I'm sorry that she's going through that.

I know. I feel really. It's like I genuinely do feel really bad. And for a while her last problems with, you know, this ex that she couldn't get over, I didn't. I was like, I mean, I felt bad. But I was like. No, my sister.

But yeah. No, what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. Different ex. Yeah, yeah. I was not nice. And I was whatever. I guess it's like empathy for the fact that whatever her nature and nurture was, it

built her to be someone who is less likely to troubleshoot and take action. And it's like, I guess that's also a cool thing to think about for our kids is like troubleshoot and take action. Like that things that are troubling will come up. And these are maybe little gifts where we can try and demonstrate that this is not going to like pull us down. And this doesn't mean we need to be stuck in the sadness. We can feel the sadness, but we can also have plans of how we're going get into some other brighter chapter yeah and that's so real because it's like we have different dad so that makes us really different and then also like eight years apart our childhood's obviously completely different your choice too of like part of your nature that you like see a commonality with

her that gave you the symptoms that made you say like i think lexapro could help me and then that you tried it and then that it do you found the dosage that works and then that you're also giving people the gift of like talking about it and being open about it is like demonstrates a completely different sort of like neuro pathway that you have that has not been built for her. So it would be like a completely new path. It's it is a bummer when you're like I mean my thing that I'm talking about with everyone and their dog is like freeze your embryos. If you see because because I'm so passionate and I'm holding my baby. It took us a long time to make the second one and I'm like I just just want to help anybody that can do anything preventative or, like, helpful to themselves, to empower themselves, especially queer people that are, like, going to have to go down that path anyway if they don't see adoption as, like, their sort of, like, path.

Well, adoption is not that easy either. It's not that easy. And, like, none of it is easy. But, like, the best thing you can do is confront it sooner, especially, like, people that are in the Writers Guild have coverage. It's called carrot fertility of the coverage And a lot of people have jobs You can ask Freeze some embryos

Get donor sperm If you know a gay dude in your life That's like is open to it Like figure out what the other piece of the puzzle is If by the time you're ready In your late 30s early 40s To make a family You haven't found your love yet

Sounds like you just want more gay people I want more gay people I want more everyone to be able to access The joy of being a parent because growing up, I thought when I came out that that was something that I couldn't have. And now that I'm like, I have it and it feels so great, I'm like, everybody should know that you can access it. It is hard work. But the earlier you tackle it, the better.

And we had Ricky Lindholm on our podcast who also had like, her story is incredible. And the lengths that she went to to find her baby to get her baby, it's like such an incredible story. And it's so inspiring. And after she had her baby, she fell in. love with Fred Armisen. Cute. Dress for where you want to be. Build for what you want your life to look like and then you will attract.

I just do think that it's such a worthy path to take if you're interested. Well, it's nice that it's even an option. Yeah. I don't know that I would have done it on my own. I would have. I wouldn't have because I saw my mom do it with three kids and it was a nightmare. I just know that you, me, everyone on this podcast is cute enough. that someone's gonna be attracted to the whole package.

You know, it's not like I'm... It doesn't have to do with cute. It has to do with your personality. Cute is a full, when I say cute, I mean, like, you know, the way when, if I say queer, it's like anyone who's done something different. I mean, like, cute, like big, broad, cute umbrella. If you're like, you know, you work on yourself,

you're a worthy partner. I think if I would have had a baby on my own somehow, that I would have found a little cutie to trick into being part of the whole thing. I have this weird theory that's like no one agrees with. but I think that men who like typically are like you could call them like womanizers or whatever like they can't settle and they just keep dating and whatever they're never going to commit I feel that those men often do end up with a single mom because there's something in them that they were looking for a mommy there's something about it I don't know the alchemy but I think that

then they go oh this is this feels right and they marry a single mom and they ruin her life I've seen this happen. They absolutely ruined her life. I can think my dad is one of them, and I can think of other examples of, like, I'm not going to name names, but like famous men where they were, you know, players or whatever. And then they end up with a single mommy because they need a mommy. Well, I just think that like being a single mom is not such a cock block as it used to be. Yeah. Also, these men are faced with the idea that they will end up alone eating soup at a table by themselves when they're 60.

Right. And then they see this woman. like feeding a child they're like hmm what flavor soup is that? Who could work I need this well you know the Bachelor lifestyle doesn't age that well I mean it's like there does come a time I think you're probably on to something Esther it's true men need women yeah and that there's that study about that women don't need men that's what's weird yeah yeah my dad was in his 40s using paper plates and my mom came along and he changed his mind she's like feel the weight of this not plastic fork she already had she had she

She had a daughter. She had a seven-year-old, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Not to backtrack into banana territory, but we're obsessed. So my mom just started Lexapro and she has ascended into a version of herself that I now realize was buried by her trauma all these years. Who she is now is such a joyful, like, silly, funny person. From the Lexapro, you think?

Yeah. Yeah, she just up her dose. And I'm like, who are you? She's like singing songs and dancing and being silly, which is so not my mom. And I'm like, oh, that's like you. That was you this whole time just buried underneath all this like rubble. How do you know it's not the drugs? Oh, I think it is Lexapro.

But Lexapro like takes the edge off your anxiety. Like as a user. Yeah. Like, can you snort it? I don't know how to snort it. That would be the best way to take it. I know. Okay, as a user.

It's not like making me. happy and silly and fun. It's just like taking away the spiraling that could then make room for me to like be a little bit more fun, you know? I'm not, by the, I'm definitely not having this joyous. But her mom just upped her dose. Yeah. This explains the vacuum. It's the ascension. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. She's actually vacuuming less on Lexa Probe because she has OCD, right? So it's not her thoughts aren't as obsessive anymore. so she can actually cope. Vacuuming was like her coping mechanism.

So now she can sit still and converse and sit with her feelings. Every old person deserves to have some sort of SSRI, some sort of Lyft, some sort of Lexipro. Why not, you know? I think every old person deserves a new vacuum. A new vacuum, their own TikTok account, with a great algorithm and some Lexipro.

I also think your mom's living the dream. Like, she gets to help her daughter. I think so. raise her child like to me that's like the ultimate like okay there was some success that happened yeah you know because first of all your kid is healthy and alive and it just gave birth i don't know that's definitely a goal yeah i think it woke something up in her that had been dormant for a while but another thing on ticto speaking of vacuums those ticot vacuums are legit i know everyone's into the dyson and the shark and whatever expensive whatever made in china shit the dupes i was

such a non-believer, they work. And they're like 70 bucks and they work the same. Really? I always see the ad for the like kid one. I want to get that. Get ACE working. Yep. They work. I hate to say it. I caved and I got one for my mom and she was like, and she's like the vacuum. You know, she is. I guess the question is how long will it last? It's lasted over a year so far. It hasn't stopped yesterday. My partner broke four plates. We all vacuumed with a little shitty TikTok vacuum and it picked up all that ceramic. Don't just scrap past that. No one breaks four plays. We did because it was actually not his fault.

He was like, he cooks a lot, but he was pulling it. My mom tried to put stuff on top of it and it slid. Your mom lives with you guys? No, she lives a couple blocks away. Wow. Yeah. Just some questions for you guys, some parenting questions. Hopefully we can get some advice.

From Liz, I have a 15 month and a three month old. Does it ever get better? L.O.L. I found myself saying it'll be worth it one day and then realize how selfish that sounded. Oops. But there's got to be some. pay off. Oh, Liz. You did it all a lot, very fast. Wow, I'm jealous. You bit up more babies than you could chew. I'm really actually so jealous of that timeline. Really? Really? That's the timeline you

want? That's one, that's exactly 12 months apart. That's what I wanted. You would need so many more Alexa pros with that timeline. Esther, talk me through that why? I think because my age gap with my sister was so ginormous that like there's something about like the closeness that is really appealing to me. But do you see what Liz is going through? Also, my husband is like a hundred years old and it's like, we got to. I never wanted to like go older than my dad because I always felt like I had the oldest dad and he was 44 and Dave is 47. So I'm like, we got to. I see. Go a little faster. You got to move. Well, you're going to feel like this, but that's okay. It's too late. I, it's, I waited too long. But Liz. Oh, wait, you are pregnant. Yeah. And you do have,

you are going to be, we're going to be 20. No, they'll be like two years apart. Yeah. Benefit is that they will be closer in age. They'll be able to play together. They'll also fight over the same things. And then you take the good of the bed. Yeah. But for Liz, who's struggling. For Liz, I would say this absolutely is going to be worth it one day.

You're going to have two babies that are so close together. And I see that in my sister's kids and they have the most magical bond I've ever seen. And I know Kalila grew up with that kind of a close sibling. Yeah. So the question of it'll be worth it one day, will it get better? like of course yeah but when you're struggling you don't see you know I never see the light I don't think I'll ever not be pregnant like I get it she could also do lexopra I don't think she needs lexapro this is just hard also I feel like my instinct and I don't know if this person

has a partner but my instinct when I had a baby and my instinct always is to just do it everything on my own you know like I got it I got it I got it I got it but sometimes you might have to surrender a little bit and you know Liz you can maybe tell your partner if you do have a partner, I need you to, this isn't okay. Like I need Wednesdays off. I need you to, to dinners for the rest of the week, like a little bit of delegation. Is that what the word is? Yeah, delegate.

I think delegating like something's off your plate so you can then go and do something that gets you excited, whether it's like play tennis or go have a drink with a friend or whatever it is. That's good advice. Thank you. Three months is still so baby. Yeah. Three months.

Yeah, her body is still probably. Of course. Of course. I mean, she's still recovering from the first one. Yeah. I remember we got this woman to come help us with dishes. Like when we were like deep into the throes of like she would come at like 6 a.m. And sneak in and just do the dishes.

That's great. Even like little help in little areas can be very helpful. I also think when you were talking about like postpartum, I think that there is something that happens. I didn't carry either of my babies. And I, in seeing the way from the outside, but like from a. as a white feminist on the outside. As the non-carrying parent, I feel I witnessed this for my wife,

which is part of the postpartum is this like urge to control how things go down for your baby. It's out of protection, but acknowledging that actually one other big important thing for your baby is that they have a mother whose sanity is intact and trying to control each,

aspect of these spinning plates will drive you crazy and I just I agree with Natasha where it's like you figure out the ways where you can even though the baby is only three months old and the other one's only 15 months old where you can let go and say I trust that they will be safe

in someone else's under someone else's eye for X amount of time I need this and go do something for yourself that's not taking care of the house and if the house falls apart it's like this is the time where the house is going to be upside down Also, watch an episode of the Gilded Age. They, like, literally never even looked at their kids.

Like, there was, like, wet nurses. They didn't even breastfeed them. Dry nurses, wet nurses. Like, you never had to even look at your children. So, you know, you're killing it. Is wet nurse people that would breastfeed for you? I think so. That's pretty cool.

I feel like at this rate, I could be your wet nurse. Will you? Hit me up. Yeah. That would be interesting. I'm surprised more women don't do that. If you're interested, I can hook you up. I'm drug-free.

You know my lifestyle. You would let her baby suck on your teats? If she needs it or wants it, sure. I wonder how often that happens. It's a lost art form. Yeah. It's such a sisterhood. It's just like a deep meaning to, for me at least, like helping.

Because I know like in the beginning, the first four months of breastfeeding was a nightmare for me. But, but yeah, my nipples are primed now for wet nursing. It's been almost 15 months. I'm still nursing, so hit me up. Hit me up anyone. Okay. One more question. I'm freshly postpartum.

And I absolutely love my baby and my husband, but hate everyone else and have such a strong rejection and rage towards anyone who asks to see my baby, but does not ask me how I'm doing first. Is this normal? Yes. I just am or am I just being an angry mama bear. Will this feeling ever end? Yes. Yes, this is normal. And yes, this will end is my quick answer. So see, because I, I kind of lopped my husband into the group of people that I hate as well. So it's nice that she's like, oh, I just, I love my family, but everyone else makes me crazy. kind of had a little bit of that where I was like, I don't want to, we had visitors a little earlier than I would have liked, which is tail as oldest time that happens to everyone pretty much on Reddit, I feel like in the parenting forums. And yeah, I was like, I was not chill about it. I was not cool. I'm like, I don't really, I'm not loving seeing you hold my baby. I am on the extreme end of this in that I wouldn't even allow my in-laws to touch my baby. And he was already six months old feed my bait nothing nothing change a diaper my postpartum anxiety just wouldn't was blocking me having any kind your in-laws were like she's fun yeah yeah I feel really bad I had to

apologize and just be like hey like I'm just going I don't understand when my brain is operating this way I respect that you held your ground like I didn't you know like I was like I guess I have to just like let this be and I wish I was so uncomfortable but like I wish I would have been been a bitch or whatever and just been like no I'm not there yet that was a monster I had a huge urge to take my baby to a secluded place at top of the mountain and nobody

breathed his direction my it was I was so fucked in the head wait you know what's crazy I always thought because I was never diagnosed with postpartum never had it I always thought postpartum was and I'm sure this is a version but the mom gets very depressed because she had a baby

that's how it was in my head but hearing you guys talk about it you're like I was crazy scared that something could happen to my baby because I definitely had that. Yeah. I think that you also, we were doing an episode where someone said like your birth and you're like, oh, I didn't have a birth. And I was like, what are you talking about? You have a kid? She goes, well, no, I had a C-section. I'm like, that was your birth. That's a very intense birth. That's more birth than birth. Yes. And like postpartum means like the era after giving birth. You sound like when my dad is like postpartum. Is that when the mom wants to kill the baby? I'm like,

No, it's not that simple. But I just didn't know about it. Yeah, no, you probably had some level. For sure. Postpartum is just, first of all, the term for the time where you're, after you had your baby. And there's postpartum depression, postpartum anxiety. Oh, I see. Anxiety is more about the baby.

Right. Yeah. But depression, too, is like, I think people think the common misconception is if you have postpartum depression, it's like you had a baby and you hate it and you wished you didn't and you regret it. But it's like so different than that. it's actually like the hormones and the chemicals are just making you sad and it's maybe not even you're still love your baby and are happy with your baby but yeah you probably had some level

of postpartum anxiety that you didn't know was postpartum anxiety i still have it though i never went away like yeah i feel like it probably won't i love natasha's reversals she's like oh yeah i didn't have that good luck with that to us and you're like wait a second i am that to be honest in a nutshell that's what i hate the most about being a mom is that Now I have a level of fear that I never had before. I had a lot more joie de vivre before I gave birth. And now, you know, that part of me, the freewheeling, let's see what happens. She goes to sleep.

She dies, I think. She's dead. Mine too. I hate it, though. That's who I was. Me too. I would just, you know, take any random flight anywhere and have myself a time. And I don't even want to leave 10 minutes.

anywhere. I'm like, in case I die, like, who's going to take care of anything? I would go. Whitewater rafting without a helmet. I just thought it was funny. What the hell? I would do whatever. We're glad that you're not doing that anymore. I would juggle knives on the Empire State building top. Go base jumping. I think there's like it's, you get older and you start to

value your life and that's a good rounded thing. But you are going, you know, you're going to taking, you take huge trips with your, we were all in Italy together a couple summers ago. Wait, how old were you when you went on that grand RV tour with did you have a baby then yeah I took a baby on an RV tour how was that because I feel like I'm um right around the corner from it was okay I mean the thing is when they're little and all these people calling in and the size of the ages Esther's baby is and your baby is it's like

they're kind of your bitch for a while you know it's like you can kind of like fit your lifestyle pretty easily because they have they don't go talk yet yeah you know they're coming with you but I do love this version better. I like when they come into their personality. Yeah, you know. And not that your kids don't have personalities, but like, you know, they're just like these cool humans that now you're their little bitch are obsessed with you. Yeah. So, you know. Well, thank you so much, everyone. Thank you for being here for a little parenting special with the Good Enough podcast host, Natasha LaGero and Sabrina Jalise. And everyone should check out your podcast. This was so much fun. I'm so glad that you two have babies oh thank you

us too yeah oh my gosh well we're creating hopefully cool kids our more kids are guaranteed cool and as always we'll see you guys next week with a brand new episode like follow subscribe