Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn - Shane Madej Finds A Ghost

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

BTS, BONUS CONTENT AND MORE! Only on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/TrashTuesdayPodcast     Shane Madej joins the Trash Tuesday cinematic universe!! It’s the final fright in our four weeks of Halloween, and we’re wrapping up spooky season with a bang. That's right our favorite paranormal skeptic, Shane Madej and Trash Tuesday bestie Clayton Hawkins join Esther and Khalyla as they summon @faesighttarot for a round of tarot readings before Shane gives the gang a crash course in ghost hunting. Are there spirits in the studio? Babe… the EMF is off the charts. More Shane! https://www.instagram.com/shanemadej/  More Clayton! https://www.instagram.com/claytonhawkins/ More Nicole! https://linktr.ee/faesighttarot  Thank you to our Sponsors!Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/9vos470a  #CashAppPod. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. See terms and conditions at https://cash.app/legal/us/en-us/card-agreement. Direct Deposit, Overdraft Coverage and Discounts provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit http://cash.app/legal/podcast  for full disclosures. *PRETTY LITTLE BABY TOUR* Esther is coming to a city near you! Grab your tickets now at www.prettylittlebabytour.com   *Listen to Esther's New Solo Pod!* https://www.esthersgrouptherapy.substack.com *Visit Ebb Ocean Club & Holiday Shop* https://www.ebboceanclub.com/ for Khalyla’s reef safe and biodegradable hair products! FOLLOW TRASH ON SOCIALS: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/itstrashtuesday Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@itstrashtuesday  MORE ESTHER:TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@esthermonster Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/esthermonster/  MORE KHALYLA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/khalamityk/ Tigerbelly Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@UCIyIoM_Nd8HtY19fuR_ov2A   PRODUCTION:Guy Robinson: https://www.instagram.com/grobfps/ Arielle Jade (Editor): https://www.instagram.com/jade.rabbit.cce/ Elisa Hernandez Kohler: https://www.instagram.com/ellie.lianna/ Megan Clements:  https://www.instagram.com/egggymeg/ 

Okay. Smash all the way. A water creature? That's like the OG Aquaman. I think that's good. Oh, give me, give me. Too sneaky. Slippery, wet.

He's sort of going for a ride, very slick, very fun. I think you guys are actually sick and wrong. And I think that that's an animal. So you guys are surprised an animal. I mean, Bigfoot technically also an animal. No, he's not. Bigfoot is a daddy. Ness, he wouldn't even.

feel anything, you know? Nessie. Nessie. By Smash, I mean like a cheeky cuddle. Oh, I did not mean that. Hi, Slugs. I'm so excited. I've been having so much fun on tour. I love seeing you guys. This month, I've got Philadelphia, Boston, and New York City. Those are all going to be November 14th, 15th, and 16th, and you can get tickets at the link below or at pretty little babytour.com. Slugs. We just recorded a Patreon, all of us, Jules, Jenna and Coco and I. And if you want to check it out, you could go to the Patreon. We actually covered a lot of, like, dating, Jules has some dating stuff going on. If you want to find out Jules' secret crush, sign up for our Patreon.

Help her in her dilemma with this boy. I had to face humiliation also, and I handled it. You can check out the Patreon and shout out to our Golden Slug Brandon. I'm so skinny. I don't like you. The vibrations are low. The vibrations are low. The vibrations are low. Get that. No, it's okay. Shane is a ghost hunter, but he doesn't believe.

Yes. What? We'll unpack it all. Hi, guys. Welcome back to Trash Tuesday. Spooky edition. Super spooky. Clay said the vibes are already low. Can I fix this one hair? Because this is already spooking me out. There we go.

I know my hair is really bad today. That's okay. No, wait, it was fixed. It was just, that was spooky. I had to wash it with a bar of soap and Skokie a couple of days ago. Okay. So we'll get to that. Yeah, maybe he can like excavate that.

I can't do anything. Okay. We have a crazy day plan for everyone. Obviously, you already know we have Clayton Hawkins returning my best friend, my only friend. Yeah. But we're welcoming a new guest today. He is a paranormal hunter. Yeah, hunter's a great word.

Yeah, I hunt them, yeah. He's from the hit show Ghost Files, and he does not believe. So we're going to get into that, because that's already, he's my guy. He's from Schaumburg, Illinois. He doesn't believe, like, that's my best friend. Welcome, Shane Medea. Oh, thank you for having me. Are we on the same page with believing?

I mean, I'm open to believing. I feel like it's fun to just, like, lean in and believe. Sure. But you weren't, like, raised, like, weirdly Catholic and afraid, like me. You know, I always raised Christian, but my church that I went to growing up was the literal church from Seventh Heaven. So sometimes they'd be like, we can't film. They're shooting. So it was very, like, L.A. church.

So there was no hell. We didn't talk about hell. Isn't it important to talk about hell in church? No, I like my version better. Wait, I love this version. Yeah, it was like L.A. Christian where it was like, be kind. Also, like, don't park there because Seventh Heaven is coming in. It was like that kind of vibe.

It was like, be kind, love thy neighbor. That sounds like the best possible version. It kind of was, but then worship the TV show. Worship the TV, make sure if you're a Nielsen family, that's important. But my husband was raised Catholic where it's very like, the devil. It's like, the fear, the fright of it all. Yeah. So I don't know what I believe.

Well, we'll find out today. Okay. But he doesn't believe. Can you, can you expand on that? So let me clarify. I am one half of the hosting presence of our show. and my co-host, Ryan Bergara, is a dyed-in-the-wull ghost believer. Okay.

Like, I've seen him almost pass out from fear. It's rare that I show up on a show alone to talk about ghosts because obviously you sort of want the fair and balance. So you're like the skeptic in like the dynamic. Yes. Okay, that's fun. I love that. And I've been doing this for like a decade now.

And people are like, how are you still doing this? Because it is pretty boring for me. So do you just like set up? up like the vacuums or I don't know how it works I mean I go I walk around I I reach out to spirits I use we have a lot of equipment I brought some with me today so we can we can do you ever get close to believing no no anytime we like me viewers or people watch the show they'll be like I mean there's gotta be something right I mean it's got to have something that like got you

a little close I'm like no it's a lot of quiet rooms you know but Meanwhile, my co-host is like more than ever. It's very fascinating how the two of us can go into these places. And he comes out being like, that was very scary that I walk out sort of being like, okay. Okay, but you're a contrarian. I can already tell. Yes, you are. Yes, you are.

And I now I actually believe in ghosts more than ever. Well, that's because I'm going to actually uno reverse. I feel like if you've done this for so long and you've never felt anything, you're just a contrary. Yeah. I'm really not. I think people who know me. I swear to God, I'm not. But swear to God means nothing to you.

Oh, yeah, that's right. I'm an atheist now, but I was, I was raised deeply Catholic, so there is, you know, the war inside me. I'm deeply afraid, but also deeply non-believing. But on the car ride over here, my friend Marianne was like, hey, my college friends and I went to this little beach town, six of us. That's fun. Yeah, and then, you know, just a couple friends. Starting out really fun. I know, okay.

I'm like, having a good time. What am I wearing? The vibes are high. And then out of nowhere, this girl, their friend who has no history of mental illness, no history of drug use, no history of anything, starts acting very strangely. Where she is now rolling her eyes, speaking in tongues. And now her and five of her friends have to hold her down. And she's like, you know, kind of like a spirit has overcome her body. Like she was physically there.

How old were they? How old were you? College like around like 20s. Oh yeah, I needed that kind of attention when I was like for sure. I could for sure see myself like rolling my eyes back. I used to, I was the Ouija board family. Sure.

We love, though, I mean, it was made by Milton Bradley. Like, give me a break. Don't even get me started. And we would always try to talk to Princess Diana. And my mom would come in and be like, leave that woman alone. She didn't know you. She doesn't, like, she's not going to spend her afterlife

talking to like a gay, like 12 year old and his like ugly girl. Girlfriends leave the woman alone. Okay, Clayton, now explain this part. So as they're holding her down, one of them doesn't hold her down hard enough. So she bounces back up and then she bites the finger of one of her friends. Off? Not completely off, but like violently, almost like attempts to rip the finger.

So that's like beyond a bit. And then passes out, falls asleep. And then everyone's like, what the fuck was that? Wakes up and she's like, what's up? Oh, I know this kind of girl. Like, yeah, this is so, I could see Esther doing this literally by like EOD, okay? She just wanted attention. And that's, by the way, she created a fun experience for everyone that they're still talking about to this day.

I would always move the Ouija board. Yeah. Oh, you were the guy. You were the mover. Of course, yeah. What was Princess Diana saying? What did you make her say? She was interested in the gossip at Campbell Hall Elementary School.

She would be like, yeah, like she is a bitch, like, is this person a bitch? And Diana would agree. You got results with that Ouija board? You guys? Well, I moved it. I moved it, guys. That's what I'm saying. So I like to lean into the fan.

Like, I never believed in Santa growing up. I always thought that we were all just like playing make believe. That's what it should be. I always say this, that when I raise my children, which I am doing. Yeah, you have, you know you have a kid, right? One day. No, because I think that Santa should be like a story that we pretend. 100%?

I'm at 2%. That's sick. It's sick. I'm a sick. Sick, sick family. You're lying to your child. I, she wants to lie. I experienced the most magical Christmases, and that is such a core memory of mine

because my parents played into the bit a little too much, and I believed in Santa. Like, as a teenager, I was still writing because I held on to that, yeah. It's bad. It's bad. I mean, that's beautiful. I love that for you, like, culture and your family. But also, like, I had so much, Halloween was magical, but I didn't actually think that, like, pumpkins all of a sudden had face. I knew that we were in costumes.

It's just pageantry. It's fun. It's all just like, you know, it's fairy tale, it's drag. If you play it like that, it's fun. Were you really heartbroken when you found out the truth? No. Because you gradually get older and you gradually... She was 30.

You realize that, you know, you eventually get to a point where you're like, okay, clearly like this isn't a real thing, but the effort that my parents put into Christmas and making it seem like there was this really cool guy that came once a year and brought off presents. It was like, I was like, oh, I love that. So it became a very positive, like, memory for me.

Not like, no, no heartbreak at all. Shane, did you believe in Santa? That's actually, like, I think when people ask me, like, what was my breaking point? Because growing up, I believed in him to a degree. And then at some point, we were in our home. And my parents were like, wait, I see something in the backyard. and I was probably like four or five and I went to the window and there was a Santa in our backyard and he was like and I ran away and hid in the garage because I was so startled and

you know sort of broke my brain I was like there he is that's the man um is that a is that are you guys fucking with us Santa we're doing a podcast Santa it's not Christmas yet um it turns out it was my uncle my uncle is a professional Santa he's a professional Santa he's a professional Santa He does parades, and he looks like Santa. And I don't know why I didn't connect that at the time. Yeah, he's great. He's doing great. Okay.

Yeah, I mean, he's looked like Santa for a while. I think, see, that's really sweet. So my dad was a really old decrepit man, and so he couldn't quite, like, get into the Santa costume. So he actually hired my uncle to make noises that you hear right now. Your dad actually hired a Santa man? He hired my uncle to make sounds and bang and flang on the roof. This is what uncles are for, I guess.

But then my uncle got injured. He slid off the, yeah, it was a whole thing. He slid off as Santa. He slid off as Santa. And then a couple years after that, he did murder his own brother. Okay. Well, what's the brother do?

In broad daylight. What did the brother do? It was a money dispute. Well, did he owe him? With a machete, he did it. Okay. Okay. Yeah, the Santa's story got a little dark,

but once upon a time, my murderous uncle was Santa. I don't know why I'm on the side still. I want to know the whole story before I make a full judgment. He was, Santa was once a sweet. I mean, my murderous uncle was once a sweet Santa. That's all of the sir.

And did you like the other uncle? I did. I loved all of them. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, but, um, you know. I hate when that happens. I hate it when that happens. You know what's crazy?

My uncles, my two uncles are always threatening to kill each other, like all the time. Do they actually pull out weapons? They have guns. No, they would use guns. See that, see, if I heard the gun thing, I'm like turned off. But machete, it's like, who's passionate. Did they point guns? Do they, like.

No, but it's like, I'm going to bring my guns. and I'm really gonna kill him this time. And my mom's in the middle of it. So we're so much more similar than you realize. How spooky. So part of our spooky series is we're gonna get our tarot's read and I'm scared, I don't wanna do it.

But welcome, let's welcome her, Nicole, tarot hour with Nicole. I love tarot. Of course you do, Clay, you're gay. Yeah, I know. Okay, who are we starting with? Not me. Let's do Clay first.

I'll go first, I'm so open. I picked out a tarot deck for all of you. just on a whim, on a vibe. So we're reading yours with this reflective... Oh, yeah, I like that. So, what do you want to know? You're pretty. Thank you. Yeah, you're so pretty.

I recommend that you ask a question that's open-ended, not one that ends in a yes or no. You'll get a better answer. Okay, open-ended. I can also help you revisit. Help me, yeah. I don't know. I don't know what I want to ask.

Tell me what your problems are. We'll turn it into a question. I mean, I have a lot going on right now. So are things going to work out great? So just like a general reading on your future. Yeah, what does my future look like? How about that? What does my next three months look like?

Is there a specific aspect of your future you want to know about? Is it your career? I'm moving potentially. I'm like an escrow right now. So like is that all going to work out? Okay. Big grass. Thank you.

I know. Okay. So let's look at the future of your home in your housing. That's a very satisfying noise. Right? I like the reflective ones. Whoa. Are you also a.

casino dealer. Yeah, do you look at it? I'm not. Are we like to smoke in here now? Is that what's happening? I should maybe pick that up. Don't tell anything. That was hot.

I know. My husband would be so into this. Okay, good signs already for you. I'm so, I am, by the way, just so you know, I am so lucky. Is this how it works? You do that and the cards just jump out? They do, yeah. I never do that.

If you use the style of shuffling that I do, yeah. There's different methods, I see, okay. I like, I like, it feels like it's meant to happen. Yeah. So this is a lot of good signs for you and, like, one really intense thing in there, too, but don't stress about it. Okay. If you already know Tara, just don't look at this card. You'll be fine.

Oh. So, this is the start of something even better for you. As far as home and housing, if you thought that you already had it good, things are going to become even better. Okay, yeah. You're actually, like, right now, or in the earlier stages of building something long-term, building a foundation, accumulating wealth that feels long-lasting and not just like in a tangible money type of way, but something stable and grounding.

Along the way, you might be tested to be more generous and kind with other people if you're... What do you mean tested? Like, like written, like what is it? I needed that one. He's so generous. Yeah, but not... I'm generous, but I'm not kind. It's a fun combo.

So in tarot, there's this fun. one thing where when cards reversed, there's some sort of layer to it that's unexpected. And this one is typically about generosity, but now we're looking at some sort of twist, which might be your kindness towards this generosity. So you might find yourself in some sort of situation where somebody's asking something of you or you need to maybe up your budget a little bit on something here. Sure. Yeah.

And you'll have to approach that with kindness. Also in this move... Can I borrow $10,000? Of course, I know. begrudgingly, yes. So in this move and everything that's going on financially, the physical move part, there's going to be something that's very unexpected in nature that happens, and it's going to be kind of jarring and unsettling, but you'll get past it.

I don't like the word unsettling, because that makes me think like... No, but that's homeownership. That's what I think so, too, of course. All this pite... Wholeship is... Jarring, of course, but unsettling makes me think that, like, we're going to find, like, a body or something. Well, that would be cool. Probably not.

Probably not. But don't think about it too hard, because the essence of this card is that it's unexpected. You're not going to be able to guess what this thing is that comes and happens to you, but you're going to move past it. Ultimately, this is all going to go well and you're transitioning into the next point in your life. There's not going to be any significant speed bumps that prevent this from happening. This card is all about transitioning into better areas of life from something that was already good and grounded into something even better. Okay, I like that. I know what the unexpected is.

You do. Plug your ears. Oh, I can't tell them. Are you going to do it? But then it's going to like, so then it's like, if you already knows, it's not the unexpected thing. Oh, you're right.

Okay, well, I don't know what it is. Okay. Maybe she'll have to tell us later. How do you feel about it, Clay? That feels right. Yeah. Good and unexpected and like rocky and fun. So we'll have to follow up and find out

with the unexpected chaos is. At least you can sort of brace yourself, you know? That's my problem is that I'm always braced. I'm always like ready for like crash. No, it's not going to be bad. It's just something that you're not expecting, but that it's, like, going to be something good. Why are you acting like witchy? So the card I'm cold for you is the tower, and people are usually really scared of it.

Do me, do me. Wait, what does the tower mean, though? Unexpected, chaotic things that uproot your life. But a lot of people are scared of it, and I don't think there's a reason to be scared. It's really just unexpected. I'm telling you, I know what it is, and it's going to be good. Okay. If it's anything bad for me, will you give me that same kind of, okay.

I'll tell you. Is that a donkey and some swans? Like my heart's beating so fast. Oh, it's kind of like a dog of sorts here and then. Eagrits. I love Eagrits. I always point them out. Eagrit.

What's an Eagrit? I never heard of that. Are you guys not into bird watching? What's wrong with you? Egrits are sort of crane adjacent. We feed birds in the yard. I follow this guy called birding with Rick and he gives you all of the bird IDs, like this kind of, you know, hawk or this. Where do you see them?

Outside us. I go outside. Okay. Part of the Audubon Club, nobody, Audubon Society. We go to Cinebond sometimes. Sometimes. I'm ready. Okay, what's your question?

Gosh, I'm really bad with open-ended questions, so someone... Pick an element of your life. Don't you feel sick when she asked you that question? Yeah, because I don't know what part of it. What does my next year look like? Okay, yeah, we can do that. I'm already sweating. Since this is a shorter rating, I'm going to split it up into kind of like seasons.

Yeah. Okay. I don't even know what that means. Oh, see, okay, I see. The seasons. Yeah. I see birds on that one. Yeah, you, that's literally the lady from Home Alone, too.

Whoa. Whoa. Okay. Starting in fall, this is going to be a really prosperous time for you. This card is all about girl bossing, like, not too close to the sun, but the right amount and getting everything that you want. So if there's anything particular in life right now that you're chasing, you're probably going to be able to get it.

So go as hard as you can, reach for the stars. It's going to make me cry. This is going to be. Oh, babe. This is your season. I don't even believe it to shine. Thank you. Yeah, right.

It's the power of terror. Oh. Are you okay? I'm not. I was so scared. It was going to be something bad. Go ahead. Sorry, I'm sorry, Nicole.

No, nothing bad here. This is actually really exciting and really good. So this is all about building something for a really long in time and life and then seeing it pay off because you tried so hard. No, I'm going to cry. Oh my God. You invested so much of yourself into it. You've got that all with this tower. Okay, sorry.

I'm really happy for you. She's falling apart. So this is going to pay off. So keep on, keep on going. And this isn't also not the end. end. So there's still more to come for you. You aren't like manifesting everything in your life in this moment, but all the big things. So shoot for the stars. They're yours. I have shot. I've shot. In the winter, this is going to be a time that's more focused on family for you. This card

centers around kind of like maternal instinct, nurturing, caring for other people. So this might be a time of like kind of settling down a little bit more, spending time with people you care about and then helping grow deep relationships and nurturing that. As you move into spring, there is going to be something here that kind of tests your morals and how you exist and move through life. It's nothing like scary or dramatic, but there's going to be something where you have to prove your own values, where you're going to be asked to do something or not to do something, and it's up to you to stand strong in everything that you've built in your life up until that point.

So you can expect something that tests you to see, like, what do you really believe in? An offer to go to the Saudi Arabia Festival. But that might make some of like the dreams come true. I mean, you know, you don't necessarily have to, you know, pass the test. Right, right. There will be a test. That's exactly what I took from it too. But, you know, I'm one of the greatest test takers ever in school.

Yeah, that's been like my strong suit is I, um, I know how why the question is framed the way it's framed, and I know what they're asking for. So you either are or you aren't. Do you go fast or slow when you take a test? I take my time. Yeah, you? Super fast. And that's like Dave's big issue with me.

You rush through. What tests are we currently taking? On this Cantron, do you double check? Sorry. No, my thing is I know or I don't know. Move on. And Dave's like sit and think because he gives me my ACTs once a year. Oh, really?

That is so corny of you guys. One time I was taking like a final in ninth grade, like a serious science final. I studied so hard. I whipped through it and I remember I was a first person in the entire class to finish. A little looked at my friend and went like, I got this. I got 37% to the point where the teacher was like, I think maybe you were off by one, but I wasn't. I earned the 37. What is my final season?

Okay. So your final season. is going to be something where you feel a little bit more trapped, but it is going to be largely a mental barrier, not a physical one. So you might be feeling like you aren't necessarily taking the path that you needed to move forward, or maybe you're feeling anxiety, or maybe feeling doubt. This is not so much career focus. This is going to be more a mental kind of struggle for yourself. So you can expect that to have. In the future. But this is something you can move through and push through because it's not unknown to you.

Okay. So you might feel a little bit constricted and trapped in your own mind, but when that happens, it's important to remember whether or not you're really stuck in these sorts. That's the for the fall season of next year, right? Or you can just fly out, right? Well, this is a chicken. It's probably not going to fly. No, that's like next summer. Next summer. So plan to like up the dosage, like try to up, like as you go. We go 10MG, 10MG. Okay, got it. All right. Thank you so much, Nicole. I love I love this. Yours was good.

I'm happy for you. Thank you. Doesn't sound like you are? Oh, I am. I'm ready. I'm ready. Yours said you're getting your home all in order. I think yours was good.

That's true, I know. The tower is just, you know, the tower is hard to hear. Don't stress about it. That's why I covered the car. I'm like, don't look. It's fine. It's like, you know.

Worst case scenario, you know. Are these generally sort of a mixed bag? Or do you ever pull four cars where you're like, this is bad? Oh, yeah, yeah. It really depends. And how do you deliver the news? Well, bad cards are all about delivering things with kindness.

And also, there's this thing with taro where sometimes people pull bad cards, but it's not actually intended to be read in a bad way. So if you ask a question that's supposed to have like a positive outcome and you then get a bad card, it might be about overcoming that, not the experience of being in it. This looks like your house, Esther. I heard you like pink. So we got a full reflective pink deck for you. What room in my house? Like that one, like the wall. The Asian-looking kind of goal. I didn't want to say the Asian-looking wall.

But yes, the Asian-looking wall. The Asian wall. Yeah. Okay. I have my question. Okay. So I've been like really having some career stop and starts. And I really like need some advice and want to know what's in the future for my career.

Because I keep doing something that gets in the way of my strength and my masterminding. And so I just need to know like, I'm looking. for some career help okay we can do that oh it happens keeps doing this thing these ones are a little bit slippery this thing that I keep doing uh-huh uh-huh let's talk about yeah I understand they're trying to jump out but they're not I would buy so many of these decks they're beautiful your next calling you need to bring them into the house okay okay you're pretty quiet you're really quiet Nicole are you asking for help when you need help

that's not really yeah so so a lot of this card is about having the resources the family the friends around you, specifically even in a career setting, to be able to get through those difficult times, but maybe not reaching out and utilizing that, not asking for help, maybe not always being the most vulnerable about what you're going through or the thing. What if I don't like the other people in my career? Well, you don't have to reach out to them. This is about reaching out to the people who actually do make you feel grounded and the people you do care about. Okay. Getting those connections to emotionally help you so you can actually feel grounded enough to make these career choices. This would make sense because I'm not ready to do that. Well, you don't have to be ready,

but it looks like that's kind of the big block here. Do you ever feel like the things that are coming or maybe things you don't deserve? No. Okay. So if that's not the case, then you need to like go more and accentuate this. These are things that you're meant to have. These are things that you do deserve. So why are you not reaching for them harder? That's ringing true. So it might be more about like grabbing what you want and going for it. Would you say she needs to work a little bit harder? I can't right now. So this is not. I can't right now. Her cards are not so much about physical work as much it is about having that's a relief for her. Yeah. That's a relief for her. That wasn't even, that's not even in the cards. It's kind of more about fixing your mindset and making this feel new,

making it feel fresh, making it feel like something that you actually want to be doing? Yeah, I have been passing on a lot of, of a lot of things lately. So it's going to be all about re-igniting your own spark. You need to get back into scheming. What you deserve because you want it. Yeah. You need to connect with other new people. New people.

Are you kind of closing off? Yeah, I don't really like new people. I'm 37. That's so many more years to meet new people. I don't know. No, I think you're going to meet new people. New people are dangerous. Well, in the circles you run in for sure.

Yes. If we like... I'm 39. You've got like two more years to meet new people. That's it. Is there anything good? None of this is bad. It's mostly just asking you to reflect on how you're blocking yourself.

Okay. It sounds like it's you. That's the problem. Always. All this other stuff is like life forces. And this one is like her telling you that you need to like reach out and actually and really like believe in your, like you do believe in yourself. You just need to, like, ask for help, it sounds like, and really go for it, right?

Well, your cards, they say that you're strong enough to handle this. That's never, like, the question for you, the question is more, what do you want? What do you care about? And I don't know what I want. Yeah. And part of this for you is going to be being uncomfortable and looking in new places. And part of the way you can find this is connecting with new people. Somebody is going to teach you something you don't know.

Okay. Do you know who? I can describe. A person for you. If there is a specific person. I think the last year has been about, like, do I want to just be a mom or do I want to have a career? And I think that I landed on, I do want to have a career. And then something happened.

That's interesting, though, because this card is all about, like, a balance of selfishness in a way of, like, feeling like you're being selfish versus understanding that you need to have some things for yourself, too, and not give up everything. First it says if you want to meet new people, you need to get out and meet new people, you need to be out of your home, out and about. You're on the road. Yeah.

Are you striking up conversations with people? Yeah. So this isn't necessarily about not doing it, but it's about being in the earlier stages of it, so you haven't met these people yet. Okay. Yeah. So I just be open to like someone might pop up.

Be open to something new happening. And this is about a stage of kind of more planning and preparing. So first you need you to figure out what you want, what you're looking for, and then things will start to fall together when you get to more of this action stage. This person, if there is a specific person, I think there is, based off the cards I pulled, that will maybe help you get an idea of where you want to move forward. It is going to be somebody not in the limelight. They're going to be somebody kind of in the background in the shadows, somebody unexpected. A shadowy figure. Esther's literally about to join a cold.

I'm very excited for this. You thought your tower was bad. I know, no, the tower is bad. Okay, okay. I feel like I have something to work with here. Thank you. Yours, what wasn't bad? It would have been weird if it was all positive because it's definitely, like, I'm, I'm in a struggle zone.

I do want to point out, and I feel like I can only point this out because you've already done so, but you do have corpsey feet. I know. Her feet look dead, like a dead person. Okay, yeah. God, they look almost like waterlog. I know it's weird. How many days in the water click? They look really dead.

Like, it's really weird. They look. I say this with so much love and so much respect. Those are the feet of a hundred-year-old person. I know. I don't know what to do about it. They always look like that. No, I don't have reynodes.

I think my mom had that. What's rain? Or my mom has that. It's when your hands get real. Yeah, the blood flow doesn't quite reach. It's like if you're cold, your hands. hands will and feet will literally turn bright purple what bit you you have like a vampire I don't know what bit it's not a bat oh there is rabies in Pasadena is there yeah but I did a lot

of research like the rate there's a lot of rabies everywhere always yeah but you can't touch you know you can't touch a bat don't ever even touch one okay well there was a school teacher very recently who like saw a bat and she was like oh I lifted it up in a piece of page she died she got rabies yeah and that's the thing with rabies too it's like a long like in Once you recognize a symptom, it's too late. It's too late. Stop. You need to get the shots in your stomach really quickly.

At least in the Philippines, that's what we did. You get like bit by a dog. Yeah, my friend got bit by a rat right before she had to go to Cannes. And she was like, I'm just going to take the wrist. She had a bunch of clients there. But she's fine so far. How did she get bit by a rat? That's her story to tell.

But there was a rat living in her car. Oh. They like the, they eat the wax components in cars. And I guess, Teslas are all made of, like, corn syrup or something. Yes, yes, yes. So the rats just can't get another problem. So rats and teslas are a thing.

And in hand. Shane, are you ready? I'm ready. Okay. I don't know if this is too specific. Can I ask about my cat? Yeah. Okay.

Wait, oh, can I go grab a different deck? Yeah, you got a cat deck? I do. Oh, great. Yeah. Can I give context for this? Yeah, of course you can. I'm going to go grab this deck.

I actually put this in my bag at the very last second today. And I'm like, I don't know. I feel like I need this. Oh, perfect. My feet are. asleep. Well, hers are dead, so it's okay. Your feet are probably fine relative to whatever she's going to. I don't know. I don't know what it is. Are your feet cold? Not right now, but that's because of a condition I have. Do you have sensation? Do you have, do you need diabetic

foot care because I can help you? Do I have sensation in my feet? Yeah, like, could you step on hot colds and would you feel them? I feel like girls are not wearing socks a lot of the time, and I don't know how they do it. I always wear socks. I'm just running warm right now. for a specific reason. Okay, got it. So last, we have a cat. My wife and I have a cat that's like six, seven years old. Okay.

We found out last July he's got a very rare blood cancer. Oh, I'm sorry. I know, it was very, it was very sad. And the vet told me took him to like a whole cat oncology place. Sure. And they were like, he's probably got two to four months left. This was last July. So like 14 months ago.

He's doing great. We think maybe because it's a. a cancer that typically very old cats get that because he's still pretty young that he's just like doing it yeah every day's a gift with him because we were like last july we were like oh no we've only got like two or three more months with them and now every day we're like yay he's here again so and he doesn't seem to be you know having any sort of ill effects from it so far so how does the next year look for him okay did you ask chat chpt give me a question that's going to make me so wildly likable, so lovable.

Turn the tables in my favor. Oh, I just love my little cat. Yeah. I never had a four-legged animal before him. Really? Yeah, I never had a dog or a cat grown up. Yeah, there's nothing like it. And like, six or seven years ago, my wife was like,

should we get a cat? And she also had never had a cat. And we were like, yeah. It's a pure love. He's great. He's great. I love him. I'd kill for my dogs.

I want to kill for my dog. Same. What about your cat? It feels wrong to talk during this part. Do you want me to talk? Do you feel better? Oh, whoa. Oh, I see a strawberry somewhere.

Oh, should I feed him strawberries? I don't think cats like strawberries. I think they're pretty adverse to fruits. Is it always how many? Because, like, there's five here. Yeah. I'm curious about the rules of tarot. There aren't really rules.

There's no rules. Well, okay, there's some rules that some people follow if you want. too but it's really about a practice that works for you okay for me I kind of let the way that the cards fall to determine what type of taro spread I'm doing so if they like bunched together I'll keep them in a row if it separates one I'll sign it off that way and I kind of just decide in the moment how many and what the vibe is I'll tell you right off the bat your cat wants more treats oh we can't give him treats because he has like a horrible digestive system that makes sense

So maybe there's... Literally last night, my wife was like, I wish we could give him treats. So something that feels rewarding for him where he's like, I'm a good boy, I got a treat. This is awesome. Even if it's not like bag of friscus. I use this a lot for reading cats and they usually want. That one always flies out. Yeah, it's kind of a consistent thing here.

Your cat specifically feels loved and safe in his home. He's very happy. and he feels like he has a long time to be here and be safe. So regardless of the outcome, he feels like he has an eternity in a loving home. Oh my God. So that's the nice and the sweet part, but again, more treats.

And then I would say that his struggle with health is going to be a little longer term than expected. This card is already about things that kind of extend out longer than our expectations go. And then also in a reverse, position here I'd say even more so so he probably has a longer time than you know your vets are saying that he does yeah but that also could mean eventually like a prolonged difficult period sure so just something to be

aware of he probably will not have the super long normal lifespan of a cat that's got a lot of spunk and fire but he is going to be very happy very safe very love for longer than anticipated here. Wow. Is he kind of a dumb cat? No. No, he's pretty smart. He's incredibly. I mean, I know what people, well, no, I know a lot of people are like, my cat's an idiot. So I was going to say not everybody says this, but he's, he's pretty clever. So you'll know when he's not doing so well, when he starts to not be so clever. I see. So that'll be kind of a sign for you to like pay more attention to how he's doing what his needs are. Give him more treats. when he starts not being the clever, interesting, spunky cat that he normally is.

That'll be closer to the end of his journey. Wow. I want to do like a follow-up consultation with you. I'll call you when my cat's dead. You can. He dies. He doesn't believe. Hey, my cat died.

Did he crack you? That's incredible. As a skeptic, I find Terro very fascinating because I think it just gives people kind of fodder to think about. their lives in an interesting way, even if I don't necessarily believe it's like supernatural, you know, because you yourself were saying before the show that you're kind of a skeptic. I don't think that it's supernatural. So, I mean, there's a lot of different ways that people believe that you get messages from taro. Some people believe it comes from some sort of entity outside of themselves. That's more of the supernatural take on it. I think it really comes from

the reader, and this is a tool to help, like, interpret the future. Like your intuition. It's, to that. Yeah, of course. How worried are you about me? Not. It pretty much just said, Esther, stop, stop stressing about this. Okay. And what do you live your life? And what about me? Yeah. Yeah, so give us the one sentence for each of our readings. Yours is that you need to just allow your life to kind of be and then also decide what you want your life to be. You know what? Yes. What? Because, you know, I think what it is with you is a control and micromanage, especially when you have that anxiety. So maybe it's a little bit of a, you know, let go, let guy. So this thing that's happening is probably going to be something more mental for you and it's really not going to impact your career that much. It'll be okay. Go out. Exist like this thing isn't a problem. Maybe just sort of let go of the anxieties over it. You're a little starlet. Okay. Oh yeah.

Her starlet era hasn't even started. I know. And she's so worried about it. Do starlets itch this much? Oh yeah. Marilyn Monroe? Itchy bitch. Also Marilyn Monroe dead feet.

Yeah. Dead everything. Okay, I feel like I have some direction. And I need to quiet the voices. Quiet the voices. The voices will never quiet. What's Clay's one-liner? Yeah.

For you, everything's going to be fine. Just take it in stride when something weird happens. That's fine. Weird, unexpected. Okay, got it. No, everything looks good. It's like all the stuff with your home, building a home looks fabulous. There's going to be one moment of, like, absolute chaos.

Do you feel like, oh, that way? like rich vibes from me oh gosh I can't remember the cards I pulled for you just in general can you just by looking at him flip the cat ones do you get rich vibes from me it says you have confrontational vibes okay yeah well I think you need that in order to be rich to be rich so that answers the question you're gonna have to confront something to get rich I know you keep saying you know and then you're not saying you want no oh my itchings will tell me That's Esther's thing, and she literally just like scratches, like, her skin off and she reads the flakes. Yeah, it's bad.

Esther has rapes. Yeah. I'm ready. My one-liner. You need to reap what you've already sewn and appreciate it and understand that you've actually done it. True. True. And you need to give your cat more treats.

Oh, great. And I will. Wait, can we talk about Sylvia Brown? Do you love her? I'm obsessed with Sylvia Brown. I can appreciate Sylvia Brown. I really, I think she was so highly entertaining. I'm obsessed with her.

What are your thoughts on Sylvia? I'm not sure who you're talking about. So she was the psychic that's gone very viral on like TikTok and Instagram lately from the 90s. She used to go on the Montel show. And she literally made everything up. Have you seen the land clip? Okay. So this woman is saying to her like, you know, there's, I feel a spirit in my house and who do you think it is?

and she'll be like, hmm, it's George and Hazel, Pickering, P-I-C-K-I-R-I-N-G. Look it up in the deed of the house. And the woman will go, well, the house is only 10 years old. The land! How old do you think the land is?

Wow. Immediately. So she's very like, the land. Then she tells one woman, who's a woman's like, they never found my husband. And she's like, well, he's underwater, baby.

He's underwater. And she goes, but he died on September 11th in the tower. He was a firefighter. Well, what do you think they put out? out fires with deer. She's incredible. You should look her up because she... She's such a mean bitch.

Yeah, I did it. I dressed up as her. I did like a whole like hair tutorial as Sylvia Brown. She is everything. Rest in peace. She did predict COVID, but she predicted a lot of things. This lady sounds incredible. I mean, to be fair, I predicted COVID.

Well, you and I were on the Wuhan message boards December 2019. Truly. Truly feeding each other's sicknesses. Thank you so much, Nicole, you're incredible. Yeah, Nicole, you have beautiful energy, pretty eyeliner, beautiful girl. Thank you for being nice to me. Where can we find you? Everywhere at FaceSite Tarot, that's F-A-E, S-I-G-H-T, like looking for fairies.

You can find me anywhere by that handle. I do readings in L.A. I do them virtually, and I make some pretty crazy educational videos for taro if you want to learn to read taro. Is that something that can be taught? Yeah, absolutely. Anyone can read tarot. I think. We just have to care enough to learn it.

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I see what's going on there. The Richter's skeleton. There's something that inhabits her body, but... It doesn't go to the feet. The feet are spared somehow. A necrophiliac with a foot fetish, if that's a thing. That's who you need to branch out and meet. That's the person in the shadows.

That's going to change your life. I've taken this through TSA many times. Oh, God, and what do they say? We have a lot of questions. Yeah. Look, it's moving on its own. So, now, I wanted to get back. to saying I'm a contrarian because I really don't here's the thing I I would love nothing more than

to believe in ghosts I would love to see a ghost and when I talk to people you know we go to all these haunted locations and people are always telling us stories and I listen for a little bit and then they sort of hone in on my co-host who believes in all this and then I just kind of fade away I I tend to believe that people are not like lying and I think they've seen stuff or believe that they've seen stuff that they think are ghosts. So I'm not like saying, you know, I'm not calling into question what I don't know what this is. I'm with you where I would love to believe. Yeah.

I would love to have that experience where I'm like, oh, this is, this is happening. But it's just. Well, so do you think that when we die, it's just over? I mean, I don't believe that at all. I know that there is like, this is a drop in the bucket of what my. soul is going to experience. I know that for a fact. A weird drop, but just a drop. This is an unexpected drop. You think then this is it? It's over. I don't want to, you know, upset anyone. So I'll just refrain from answering. Yeah. Okay, what's that? This is a REM pod,

which detects temperature fluctuations. And does it do gel nails? Can we like temper? Now, one thing I do believe in 100% like I'm not I'm not scared of the like all those like nun movies or an adult like that stuff because I didn't grow up like Catholic like a seventh heaven Christian I don't that stuff doesn't scare me but what does scare me what I do believe in is aliens do you believe in aliens I actually do believe in a alien okay there we've met in in the middle because aliens feel to me and I also like there's certain I don't like aliens there's certain there's certain cryptids that I believe in where I'm like cryptids cryptids your bigfoot's uh those sort of things

Where I'm not necessarily like I fully believe in this, but I'm like, I see this there's the possibility that this exists because it's like an animal. It's meat and bones. Do you believe in feral humans? Yeah. Yeah. I mean. Like people raised by wolves sort of. That's happened. Bigfoot like feral. Like maybe there's like a whole like missing link subset of creatures that are mostly human that hide in the shadows or I don't know anything about this or anything. I guess I did. I was thought I was thinking along the lines of like bath. salts and people like yeah Florida is the whole thing biting people yes oh well that's just biters yeah okay I just was wondering yeah I don't know anything we don't know anything about parolhumans no this is probably the most entertaining thing of all which is this allegedly is a device that like picks up various sensors and I don't know if this building is haunted I don't know the history of this building again I've been ghost hunting for 10 years so I'm just sort of primed to like I have to caveat everything with I don't believe in ghosts.

But this allegedly picks up on vibes, readings, and then... I can't take any more vibes today on myself. This translates it into words. Oh, this is fun. Okay, this is fun. Now we're talking. So this is like a slightly more legitimate version. This is all pseudoscience, but it's a slightly more legitimate version than like those

apps on phones. Okay. This is called an ovalis. So this thing is going to start just like talking about what the vibes are in the room. Yeah, and if you believe in ghosts and believe that there are spirits here, you would buy into this being... I like this. Communication.

Turn it on. Turn it on. Turn it on. Point it at her. No, no, no, no. Put it at her feet. I'll say right from the jump, it may fire off a few words. I think that's maybe just calibrating.

And are any other words going to be like problematic or offensive? It's not like a racist device. I've never heard it. I've never heard it say anything. Okay, I just want to make sure. Has it ever met a Filipino woman? Yeah. I just want to make sure that it's being like, you know, it's not like a homophobic box. No, we'll find out. And if so, then we will take it to task. Here we go.

Okay. Several. Baby. Okay, now it's sort of quieting down. And you're supposed to interpret these things as if it, I mean, talk to, you can ask questions to whatever spirit is meant to be here. Is there anyone around us that's trying to, like, protect us? Like, not even like ghosts, but just, are there any nice, spirits around us? Linger. Okay. Who is here? Who are you? The ghost people tend to...

They don't want to reveal themselves. Has feeling. Okay, so it's not Esther's feet. Sometimes they encourage you to introduce yourself. Oh, there's also... I don't know what's going on there. Some blinking on the... I think the nails are done. You can pull your hands out. Creek, Mike.

Mike. Black. Mike Black from the Creek. Okay. I know him. You do? We see on 7th, 7th. I know him very well.

So now that means... Pizza's ready. Really? Who is he? He's a comedian. Is he alive? He's alive. Well, how do we know right now?

Sad what? Sad Puddle. Sad Puddle Creek. Mike Black. Okay. He needs to be careful around bodies of water it's sounding like. What was that beep? Maybe temperature fluctuation.

Okay. It's not delivery. It's to sure, no. Okay, someone asks, what? Nana. Nana. Oh, she's really going crazy here. Nana, myself, Tesla, off.

I mean, I had a Nana. Did she drive a Tesla? No, there weren't Tesla's then, dear. Someone asked a question. I can't. I'm frozen. Does anyone else want to hold this? I'll hold it.

Oh, no, go, go, go, go. Let the Catholic girl hold it. No, Catholic girl hold it. We'll pass it around. I'm not going to hold it. Hi, I'm Clay. It's good to introduce yourself, yes. I did get the tower card, which I'm not thrilled about.

Stars. Well, that was for me. No, no, no, no, no, that was all me. Stars. Yes, I'm surrounded by Stars. Oh. Wagon. Did you hear what Nicole said?

Wagon, recuse, hunting. Nicole just said the Stars is the card that comes after the tower. Oh. Give it to me. Hi, I'm Esther. Deodorant, put, on. What do you feel about me? Wash your hair.

That's really bad, my hair. So it's giving nothing for me. Clay gets stars. And what did it say? Statement cold. I want to be clear. Maximum. Planet.

Whoa. It's not like one of the Zappa kids' name, like Maximum Planet Zappa? Let me ask, let's try to interpret Maximum Planet for Esther. To be clear, it doesn't have any kind of like speech recognition. So it's not hearing what you're saying. Hi, I'm, hi. I'm Kalila. My face is crooked, but you know, it's healing.

What are the vibes? There's a lot of silence on ghost hunts. ghost hunts um i'm sure when you edit it in the show it's what you really do and people are like they don't spend enough time and we're like we sit in silence for 20 minutes and we're not putting that in the episode i think one of your words that um when you pass it over was canon canon maximum planet is actually like good no it feels like horny doesn't it's like maximum planet no yeah to me That doesn't sound very dial-up. What's going on there?

That would probably be a temperature fluctuation. Maximum planet. Don't be jealous. It's nothing for me. It might be not, you know, sometimes they don't speak. Oh, no, she's upset. No, it's probably a good thing. Your socks are cute, Kalala.

I like those. Thank you. Who makes those? Target. They do. You going to Target? Yeah. Okay.

What does the box thing about that? What do we think about Target? D-E-I-2-Woke. Well, this was, you know, before. Yeah, before. Yeah, of course. Here, I'm going to hand this back to you. Sure. Maximum Planet stars.

Maximum Planet can't. New name of the podcast, Maximum Planet. That's a great name. Maximum Planet, for some reason, is studying to me into psychosis. I don't know why those two words are, like, really impacting me. You get a tattooed? I don't know why I'm, like, driven to do something now. Sometimes this says phrases that do stick in my mind forever at one

point it said the words nighttime Dan and I just I think I think about that a lot like oh that's a real nighttime Dan over there you know one time this someone who I'm assuming wasn't well left a note on my car and the first sentence was regarding mind control and I have always like I just think about like regarding mind control all the time that was this long sort of diatribe you guys also do like true crime yeah do you believe in that Do I believe in crime? Yes, my love. Crime is all around us.

Wait, now I can't remember what was it about planet? Maximum planet. I need to write that down. I figured that's Esther going on a world tour. Yeah. World tour to Skokie. It also sounds like a brand of like Poppers too, Maximum Planet. You have got to slow down over there.

On the poppers? With sexualizing me and my maximum planet. I'm not willing to. Okay, here we go. We're playing smash or pass. Cryptids edition. Okay. This is going to be really good.

Okay. Starting it off. Oh, my God. Are you insane? I'm the only dissenting voice here. We've done episodes about Bigfoot. And the thing that always comes up is that Bigfoot really, like, stinks. The one.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, baby. He stinks so good. You ever see Harry and the Henderson's? That woke me up as a child. He was hot. And I bet he stunk so good. Is Bigfoot real?

If I had to put money on it, I'd probably say no. I want Bigfoot to be real. I want to be clear, the scientific, there was like a scientist who described the smell as smegma. How old are we talking? Like one day old smegma or like? Stop. Stop. I don't know.

Stop. It's obviously not one day old. Do we have any information on what he's packing down there? I believe, we just did an episode about this, the one, this, the Patterson Gimlet footage, Patterson Gimlin, which is the famous, like, Bigfoot walking. That's a lady because she has breasts. Oh, see, I would more likely have sex with a lady.

With a lady, big foot. Yeah, yeah, it's going to be a pass for me. Okay. Yeah, it's for sure going to be a smash. I get it. Smash, baby. I'm going to smash. Oh, smash all the way.

A water creature? That's like the OG Aquaman. I think that's good. Oh, give me, give me the nest. Too sneaky. Slippery, wet. He's sort of going for a ride, very slick, very fun. I think you guys are actually sick and wrong.

And I think that that's an animal. So you guys are sexualizing an animal. I mean, Bigfoot technically also an animal. No, he's not. Bigfoot is a daddy. Yeah, Bigfoot is a hot, stinky, hairy jungleman. And that is literally like... A bronzosaurus?

Yeah, that's giving like dino. I'm gonna guess the Nessie wouldn't even feel anything, you know? Nessie. Nessie. By smash, I mean like a cheeky cuddle. Oh, I did not mean that. And a little romp into water, just, you know, a nice little lake sesh. No insertion.

Yeah. No insertion. There's no insertion with Nessie. I wish the Lochness mom. are ultimately the best, but I want to let it do it. Nothing in the water for me. You drown. Yeah.

Okay. All right, Yet. Ooh. We're all in agreement here, yeah. Even this picture is very alluring. Yeah. I know. Sort of the red glowing eyes.

I like the Yeti. What the fuck? This is a Filipino one. What is it? I love a Tick Super Smash. I do like the thighs. So this is our version. of like a centaur kind of

where it's like a half horse half man but obviously very adorned in... Where's the man? Does it always look pained? Are the arms the arms the man? The Tickbalang actually looks a little bit hotter than this in on film. Like in movies and stuff.

He looks really sad. Also this is the only one who's sort of has an outfit. Sort of has a whole look going on. Oh. Yeah, this guy. Oh. Sort of Navi adjacent. I think he's too muscular for me There's something sad about him

It's not for me We really have the same taste I know of course we do I cannot pass on my Filipino brethren So it's super smash for me Oh no I'm seeing bat wings I know we have to worry about rabies Yeah there's something about that

The size of it I'm intrigued by Because we need a little Like a twinkie by it for scale Because I don't know Yeah. Is he, is a Jersey Devil large? The way I'm looking at that is that he's about 400 feet tall.

Is that how you guys are interpreting his or not? No. He was going like two feet tall. Oh. Because of the wings. Isn't that so funny how we all see things so different? Isn't that? And that's kind of the whole thing.

That's beautiful. I don't like the Jersey Devil because small hands, little baby hands. Yeah, I'm going to say no. I'm going to say pass. There just looks like a slimyness to his skin that I'd prefer fur or dry. Is it not further? No, there's like.

Her legs are hairy. It's sort of slick, matted fur. Yeah. Wet fur. Pass on the Jersey devil. Everyone's passing, huh? Yeah. This is a, that's a big yes.

Yeah. Yes. Oh, and we've got the scale there, too. Oh, the scale I like, because that makes me think of. Remember that cartoon gargoyles? Yeah, of course. That made me. That was like Harry and the Henderson.

That movie woke me up, too. To me, he's very cute. To me, I picture Mothman flies into my room at night. we cuddle and then I'm like you know what mothman like I really don't like this one person and then mothman flies out and then hurts them oh i like that too romantic and do you think that he could carry you and fly absolutely oh on night rides yeah night rides two key things to know about mothman before any of you get involved he is an alleged terrorist uh there was a bridge collapse in west virginia uh that they many have attributed to mothman uh who can he has like psychic

abilities. And the other thing, which is very worth noting, is that there's a, in Point Pleasant West Virginia, there is a statue of Mothman where he is, it's sort of his home. And it has an incredibly sculpted ass. Like, it looks like a Joel Schumacher. In West Virginia. Now you're talking my language. Quist question, would he do my bidding? Absolutely. Okay, yeah. Or maybe use a big, bad ass, psychic terrorist. Say it less. Stay at least. Well, thank you, everyone, for being here today. Thank you to Shane. Thanks for having me.

And Clayton. Of course. We love you guys. Where can we find you? I have a YouTube channel. It's called Watcher. Ghost Files is airing right now. We do a 24-hour investigation this season.

It's a lot of fun. So that's on YouTube. And I'm on Instagram at Shane Medea. You can find me on Instagram at Clayton Hawkins and TikTok. It's ITS, Clayton Hawkins. And give your home address. Yeah, my new home address. I'm on tour, pretty little baby tour.com, and I'll see you guys there.

We'll see you next week with a brand new episode.