Trash Tuesday w/ Esther Povitsky & Khalyla Kuhn - Taylor Tomlinson & Sophie Buddle Can't Believe This Was Normal

Episode Date: June 9, 2026

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and then like followed right back. I'm actually, what did I do? Yeah, I'm surprised to hear that you care. He's a chef. He's chopping. He's unfollow it. You can't take the heat. Stay out of the kitchen.

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First of all, everybody was like people's moms are like texting me being like, you're about to blow up. And it's like it's absolutely just because I got a spray tan and posted pictures. Like spray tan really is like a wow factor. Anyway, I get this spray tan. The girl comes to your house. You get naked. Zip, zip. She like sprays you.

And then she was like telling me all the aftercare stuff. And she's like, okay, you really have to like avoid water for like, you know, the next three hours. So don't like exercise and don't wash your hands and don't do the dishes. And I was like, have I been tan this whole time? This is the best news ever. And so I think these just are getting spray tans so that you like can't do those things. I've never gotten when I'm really like against them because I feel like it would turn my whole home that color. No, it's not the same as like when you do like at home, like when you do it yourself.

Have you ever done like moose or like self-tanner? In like high school, I think, on my leg. Those ones I feel like do end up rubbing off and everything. But like a professional comes and it doesn't get all over your stuff. No, she, like they do like a pop-up tent and you stand in it. But doesn't it leak off your body? It didn't for me. Where does it go then when it goes away?

Down to your eyes? You let it dry for a little bit and I think you get in the shower and you do have, get the excess. Once and once only, but then I got so insanely itchy as it was like coming off like a week after it dried out my skin. Yeah. I'm like, oh, never again. Yeah. How did it look? Oh, you're saying that because I'm already brown?

I'm being racist, yes. Yeah. You're like, what even would have? happen. I got browner. I think it just gives you not even necessarily that I wanted to get darker. I just wanted to glow. It makes your whole body like this same exact tone too where I realize that a lot of stuff that I don't like about my body is just like the color because I have like some redness on my arms and stuff. And then when I had the spray tan, I was like, oh, I actually like my arms. That would be cool. I feel like I've been so against it. Like I'm afraid of it. I say you go full bodybuilder tan like just golden. Go. Just golden. Go,

Oh, are you on a granger? Do you think I, what if I come in and what if I take a picture of you and I'm like, make me this? And then I'm like, you can't cancel her. I was the inspiration. Yeah. I had like vacation braids in elementary school. I'm glad Taylor's coming in now. I don't want to cancel myself.

Hey, Taylor. I love this jacket. Thank you. You can have it. I love it. Can I really? Don't say that. Don't just say that.

Well, I've now worn it on camera. Okay, so now it's dead. Yeah. Okay, great. Okay, best friends. Oh my God. When we were on tour in Europe, we were trying to like marry Kate and Ashley everywhere. Yeah, we're matching, but it's like not matching exactly.

It's matching. Yes. It's matching like tomboy, Ashley. Yes. Yeah. So, yeah, take notes. Yeah, right. Yeah, right.

We were just talking about my spray tan that changed my life. Oh, yes. I scrubbed off now, obviously. You still are glowing. I'm a human again. Have you ever gotten a spray tan? No, because I have really sensitive skin, so I'm scared. Yeah.

Have you? I haven't. And I knew you'd be the same as me. And I knew Esther would feel the exact same way. That's why I asked you. But I do tan naturally. You do get quite dark. But now that I know about skin cancer.

You just learned? Well, honestly. I know. You start monitoring your internet. I never wore sunscreen until COVID. Why? We were inside during COVID. I had time.

It's the worst time. I had time. That's when I got on tick. And TikTok was like you're doing everything wrong. But we were also the age during COVID where you start being aware of like skincare and like mortality and aging. Yeah, because in your early 20s you do like you'll do like full glam makeup and then fall asleep with it and wake up and be like, woo, day two.

It looks better. This is the life that you're living because you are early 20s. Yes. And when you grow up, you're going to understand the dangers of that. I haven't gotten there yet. Which brings me to my question. Does anyone here on today's show also have a recurring nightmare that they're back in high school or college? No, but I do have a recurring nightmare that I get cast on SNL.

This is crazy. And every time it happens, it feels like high school where everyone's like, congrats. And I go, you guys, I'm not talented enough to be here. And everyone's like, you'll be fine. And then the show's happening and I don't know what's going on. And then I wake up and I go, oh, thank God, I can't do accents. So thank God I'll never be in that position. Do you have that?

No. No high school dreams? I have the same one where I'm missing a particular class and can't graduate. And I'm like, I haven't been to this particular math class in, I don't know, like 12 weeks. Like I'm never going to catch up. I'm missing a credit. That's the recurring high school one that I have. I thought for sure Taylor would have it because you dropped out of college.

Oh, yes, I did. And I feel like that has like a. That is a lasting impact on your self-worth. Yeah, you have that too, right? No. I mean, do you still have it? Oh, no. Well, you're successful now.

Before I was successful, absolutely. Maybe I'm not then. No, I, I, you're more successful than me professionally and personally. That's not true at all. You've been doing this way longer. You have a podcast. Look at this. Look at this.

I have a couch. This is even your main furniture. This is even your main furniture. And you have two whole babies. Come on. I know. do love my children. But how often are you having this dream?

A lot, you guys. I think it's because you're breastfeeding. That's my theory on it. Because breastfeeding really gives you the most vivid out of these, like completely out of the world dreams. It does. Yeah. Like you fall asleep while you're breastfeeding.

No, no, I hope not. No, no, no. No judgment, but. Come on. No, just because you have a lot of like prolactin. Okay. And I think it's meant to like, because you are sleep depressed. the little sleep you do get is very deep and vivid.

And I think also when you have like a newborn, it seems like it is a generally stressful time, especially probably the first one, because you don't know, like, what's safe and what's not safe. So you're probably holding on to a lot of, like, stress. Probably. I can't weigh in on that.

I'm expecting. Because my breastfeeding dreams were like apocalyptic. Everyone was just like, Apocalypse. Always apocalyptic. Yeah. Yeah. I have those.

I feel jealous of this conversation because you remember recently, I realized I hadn't had a nightmare in quite a while. And so, I was trying to like spark one. And so I was like asking my friends for advice on like how to like how to get back into the nightmare game. It is exciting.

It is fun. Yeah. You wake up and you're like. Thank God. And so I tried having like really, really spicy hot wings and a bunch of candy right before bed and I fell asleep on the couch. And that did give me a nightmare. I don't remember what it was.

But it was like pretty scary and I woke up and I was like, we found it. That's the, that's a recipe. Yeah. And that's kind of the dream nightmare, one that gives you the rush, but you don't remember it. Yeah. It doesn't haunt you all day. Exactly. Yeah.

I want to be haunted all day. You do? Yeah, because it's exciting. It's thrilling. And then you're like, oh, no, that's not real, you know? And you get to keep just like, you're so happy with your life. What's the last nightmare that haunted you? Okay.

So one of the recurring ones that does haunt me, well, it's like part of the high school one. There's like a new storyline in it where I, my dad won't let me use my car. And I'm screaming, I'm screaming at him. I'm like, I paid for it. Let me use it. and he won't let me use it. And that, like, is haunting. Why won't he let you use that?

You paid for it. I don't know. I think it's because he doesn't let me, like, he doesn't let me do things. Okay. Oh, no, this is, this was a nightmare? Taylor, you asked me this.

No, no, no, I'm sorry. No, no, no, you're right. You're right. And that is scary. That's just, that's the nightmare of someone with two parents who love them. Like, you know what I mean? And someone with a car. And someone with a car.

Not all of us have a car. I think that I didn't have a car in high school and I really wanted one. I hate myself. Let's cut me out of this episode. That's really good me out. Just blur me, blur me. Can you blur me for this? We're just, it's like, we brought Apocalypse. And you brought my dad will let me drive to the mall. And I just, you know. And I brought that I'm jealous that my friends are having nightmare. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Thank you so much for being here.

But I feel like that is, to be fair, I do feel like that is apocalyptic to you. Yeah. I am trying to get on your level here. Yeah. Wait, I also have upcoming my two. 20-year high school reunion. Are you going to go? I don't know. Are they throwing one? Yeah. You got to go. Would you guys go? I would absolutely go. I was so mad that my high school didn't do a 10-year reunion. I think, wait, 10-year might have been during COVID. Mine would have been 20-21. So nobody did anything. Would you really go? Of course I would go. I would go. Wait, to mine or to yours. I've been on billboards. I'm fucking going. Are you serious? No one would ever want to be like,

you went here, but I was like invisible. That's so, but I also am so like, Like, why is my high school not doing it? Why does everybody else have? Also, my boyfriend got a jury duty notice, which I've always wanted. And it's everybody's having high school reunions and doing jury duty. And not me. I'm always the bridesmaid. I have, you know, the other end of that is what my high school is doing, which is very scammy.

And they throw reunions every year. And each ticket is like 200, 300, 300 bucks. And now they've built a whole business scheme around it. And I hate it. So now I'm like, I'm not going to any. And they keep calling it a 10 year, 20 year reunion. It's like no the whole school is going. I don't even know those people from 10 years ago, but it's a fucking scam. I'm literally jealous. That's so cool. You have the opportunity every year to see everyone you went to high school with. And you go to a party and to wear a gown. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think it's a gown event. They're not. They're like at bars. Oh. I keep buying gowns and no reason for them. I would that's I did picture high school reunion as everyone's wearing gown. We you would really go. I don't picture you going to your own high school. I would go with my friends if my friends were going. I would like with. I would like. I would like. I would like. I would like. I would. I would like. I would. I was. I. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I go by myself. I back you up. You back me up. I bring Sophia's a plus one. Who bullied you?

Let's get them. No one even cared enough about me to bully me. That's the thing. Truly, I think everyone was like, who is that? That's so funny. But do you feel like people would be too excited to see you and like it would be like scary? No, I, the thing is, being like successful as a comedian is so weird because like there's like a small pocket of people who get excited and then everyone else is like, did we go to middle school together? Like, you look familiar. Like, no. Nobody, it's, I don't know. You do have resting. We went to middle school together.

And people thought that about me before I was on TV. They were like, Jody. Oh, you do look like a Jody sometimes. I know. I had an older couple, like two grandparents come up to me. I swear to got this close to me in the airport and went Jody. And I went, what? And they went, oh my gosh, we're so sorry.

They thought I was their granddaughter. Yeah. So I do have that. I went to Sam Taggart's hour last night. He was running his hour and he has such a good joke. Are we allowed to do other people's stand-of-jokes? What is the copyright? Yeah, burn it.

Burn Sam's joke. I won't do the joke, but he has a joke about how like old people really always want to like leave their homes to him. And so he doesn't want to like meet his friend's great aunt because he's like, no, you should have it. Like they're going to want to give it to me. I don't know, but we'll have to have Sam on. I know. That's incredible. I feel like for me, like I was.

I feel like I went to a restaurant once and they were like, were you here yesterday? And I was like, usually the answer is yes, but that time it was no. They just like saw me on like I was the whatever. They saw me a new girl or something. Yeah, do you get, you look so familiar. It's like, it's like that. Yeah, I know what you're saying, that experience of like they, they are like, maybe they're like extra nice to you and they don't know why and you don't know why.

No, they usually say it to me. They're like, you look really familiar and they're almost upset. I was like, why do you look like someone? And I know. But you and I, you are actually from the Midwest. I look like I'm from the Midwest. I know you do. So I think that's part of it. Yeah, that is so weird that you don't find people that are half recognized you are particularly nice to you. I just am thinking of so many different customer service experiences where I like can't believe how people are talking to you. Really? Remember when you was in that green juice when we're at the airport? Which one? Was that at Panera bread? Yeah.

In Dallas? Oh, what's in the green juice? And the woman was like, green stuff. And you know what's crazy? I saw that woman again at the same Panera bread at the airport. And the second time I saw her, she was like, where do I know you from? And I was like, well, you know me from here because we had that interaction. But I was just like, oh, I just looked like a lot of people. And then I guess on her break or something, she came up to me because we were sitting at a table eating, held out her phone. And it's a real of mine and just goes, this is you. And I went, oh, yeah.

And she goes, and walks away. Got your ass. Got your ass. Nice try. Also, you would never pass for a Midwesterner calling it Panera bread. What is it called? What did it call it Panera? Oh, I'm sorry.

I'm not on a first name basis with Panera bread. I'm sorry I didn't call it pea bread or whatever you do in Chicago. Shit. Be be fraud. We just call it peepee. And I caught you. You loser. It's like when I call it cutlery and everyone's like, where are you from?

And I'm like, oh my God. Like somewhere better than you. Yeah, I have healthcare. Huttlery. Oh, it was horrible. Well, because for us, we don't say silverware. Like, silverware is very much like, it's a, you know, fancy, fancy place. You say silverware.

Cutlery is just like, if you need a knife and fork, you go, where's the cutlery? I feel like that's a common way, though, that people flirt. Like, are they flirting with you? No, like by calling out. Oh, that's true. That is a good point, actually. What did you, how did you say it? Like, they're trying to, like, go out with you.

No, that is. actually a really good point. I think everyone was flirting with me. Yeah. If it weren't so pretty, no one would care about great time. Yeah. No, I think that you are actually so right though, because it's like any in to be like, wait, where are you from? You're so weird. You're so exotic. Yeah, like I have a chance with you because you're stupid. Because you're new. Yeah, you're new here. That is one thing that's like to be the new girl somewhere is you get so much attention. All my friends that are like from California and then like started stand up here. Never got to be like the new girl in town. Like Ali is like from California and she's never like moved to New York or anything and I'm like being the new girl in town people go crazy

Yeah, I'm the same But I feel you get flirted with a lot in public Yeah, people are always correcting my language I'm not getting flirted with by strangers are you getting flirted with by strangers? Absolutely not It's a Midwest thing I don't know What about you? You're absolutely getting

No no no no I used to have a more approachable demeanor and I think lately I've just like like look scary. Like your energy is closed off. I'm closed off and shut down. But you're so hot. Does that really stop people? I think it does. I feel like that.

Yeah. Yeah. What kind of Megan Fox? Like. No, not the last couple years. Or maybe I'm just like not leaving the house at all. Yeah, you're not giving people the opportunity to find you. Let's find out. Let's find out.

Let's drop you in the middle of the city. Yeah. The GoPro. Let's go to the mall. Let's go to the mall after this. We are so overdue for like the girls of trash Tuesday at Sunset Tower. night out with like everyone. Esther, we're not showing up and you know this.

Your only version of Girls Night that you've ever invited me to is at your house. Yeah. And your house only, right? No one's leaving. That's true. Maybe your husband will hit on her. You're like, girls are you meet at my house. And it's like, woo.

You're like, and it's here. And welcome. You arrived. And we're done. It's Dave. That's so funny. I will say, um, my boy. boyfriend is away for three weeks and so I'm like alone in the house and I'm really reverting to all of my like living alone like single behavior.

So fun. What are you doing? Well, it is so fun, but I'm also remembering all my flaws. Which is like, well, so, you know, nothing, obviously. But I remembered when I lived alone in Vancouver for so long. I was on like the sixth floor and I had like a small balcony. And I never, I'm not good at taking out the garbage. It's my least favorite task. No girls are. I have a really like, I gag when I smell something bad. I'm just like not good at taking out the garbage. And so I used to when I was single, like invite guys over and like get them to. to take out the garbage. And then I also, if, you know, if I didn't, I hadn't shaved or whatever, I would just put the garbage on the balcony and then wait for an opportunity for a man to be in my house. And then on his way out, you're like, and while you're leaving.

Oh, if you're on your way out anyway, can you just take this? And I did that for years. And then, you know, I've had a boyfriend now for many years who takes out the garbage. And so that's no problem. And so now I'm just in my apartment and the garbage is stinky. And then I had Dan Donahue come over, take it out. You want me to come over and take out the trash? Well, Dandotnik, you took out one batch, Ali Murkowski.

We'll make a chore wheel. It is getting a little bit full again. It's free after your other podcast. Is it chore wheel something that you had growing up? I've never heard of that. We didn't need a wheel. We just remembered them. But we did have a lot of chores.

Really? Yeah. What kind of chores? You're a family of four. Yeah, we did everything. I guess like in order for that to like exist, you all had to like be put to work. Yeah, 100%. I think I do think chores are important.

I do. You know I do too. You don't want to end up like me. You can't do chores. You can't clean. I mean, it's just really hard for me because my mom did literally everything and like ruined me. What a bit. Yeah.

But it's like I see I just you want to grow up with chores. It was like a weird thing though. She was like was controlling and like wouldn't let me do anything. My mom and I feel bad. Start feeling bad. I have I think I have a Sophie. neighbor who doesn't like taking out the trash. But what she does is she leaves, she's an older lady.

I think she's starting to have a little bit of dementia going on. So me and my partner forgive it. Or she's just smart like you where she takes her trash. She leaves it in front of our door and we take it out for her. There has never been a agreement or confrontation. It's kind of just like she says hi to my baby once in a while. And maybe there's just an understanding that it's like we live. look like the trash take her out is dewy.

Does she know you're doing it? Or does she think like a garbage man is coming by? We've literally caught her just and we have like a little wagon outside of our door. She puts it on top of the wagon. That's nice because then it's easier for you to take out. I think she did it one time and it got taken out. And then she's like, oh, it worked. And then now she just.

I actually love this story. I'm with Taylor that I feel like she doesn't know. Has she seen you rolling the wagon? Yes. Okay. Then yeah. I think that this is a beautiful. story and I think that this should tell girls everywhere that you shouldn't fear aging.

Because the older you get, the more shit you could get away with like that. True. That is true. My dad plays that card a lot. You have to. You have aging is so stressful. You have to use it to your advantage. Yeah. How's everyone feeling about aging? I'm freaking out a little. Why? I like saw some videos of me when I was younger and I was like, oh my gosh, I got to get back to using my new face every day. That's probably why I looked so good. No, you were 25. That's why you look. look better in this video. I know you see a picture and you're like, she's so dewy. Oh, who's this doy goddess? Here's what you need to learn from me. This is what I can help you with. Need my warning.

Stop looking at pictures and videos of yourself when you're younger. I can't my social media manager is like, do you want to post these old clips? Just try not to absorb it. But also you look 13. No, I look 13 with wrinkles. No, I think you're the wrong person to give this advice because you really do look like a child. You look so young. But I will, okay, thank you.

And I graciously, humbly accept. those compliments. Thank you for doing that. However, I feel that when I do look, it's not fun. When I see me 10 years ago, I go. When you were 11. It makes me, it's not fun. I don't do it.

I literally don't look. I am feeling good about aging because I feel that I'm the hottest that I've ever been and not even in the way where people say like, oh, I'm just so much more like comfortable in my skin or I just like don't care anymore. I'm like I am now not those things I am now the hottest by society standards that I've ever been and so I think that it's just you have to start uglier I you know I'm with you on this when I look back at my 20s like early 20s my style was shit my makeup was shit my hair was shit I think that my late 30s is when I started to really kind of come around and peak so I'm with you on that I felt very ugly as a 20 year old but like I think that per society standards I was way hotter in my late 30s. Yeah. Interesting. See, I feel hotter, but I think objectively I'm wrong. I don't think so. I don't think so. Really? I think you're hotter. Yeah. We didn't know each other until like the last few years. You're, you're early 20s are really well documented. That's true.

No, that's true. Four hour specials. You're right. You're absolutely right. I also think you look better. Right. That's nice. Yeah. I just start seeing a dermatologist. But there's just, I just have a weird thing where I'm like, I can't tell what's true and what's real. I also do. I also Did you guys have this where like I had a day where I was like, I think I looked the same, but something kind of shifted. Do you know what I mean? Where you're like, oh, I think it's begun. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't. It's so silly. But it's the way you frame it as a dissent that makes it maybe like an ominous. I know. You know, I know. Oh, I look so tender.

I'm falling off the bone. You should write that down. That's really funny. Okay. Someone write that down. This is all I do to Sophie all day. that's a bit every other thing she says. I think maybe motherhood has made me obsessed in wanting to live longer.

Yeah. So like I've kind of not given a shit as much about how I look more so that I am now obsessed with my insides where I'm like, okay, are my arteries clogged or is my cholesterol? I want, yes, got everything. So full body MRIs, full blood work. Like I want to live till like I'm 120 so that I can watch my son become an old man. Like I'm obsessed with that. So everything else is, you know, tender and falling off the bone. But, you know, we are okay with that as long as the insides are good. Yeah, I feel also, and I say this on this podcast a lot. I'm sorry. I keep saying it. But like, I am on the pursuit. I have a belief that like we can stay younger like with our minds. Oh, I saw a clip of you talking about. Yeah. I think it's real. And I like, because I ever heard this. I'm not going to like get injections. Like I mean, I shouldn't say I'm not. Like I'm just not there yet. I'm not against it. Like I'm not. Like I'm not against it. Like, like, I'm not against it. Like, like, I'm not. Like,

I might, but right now my, my approach is like, laugh more, have fun with friends, eat good meals. Like pleasure. Duolipa shit. Yeah, it really is. It is a duolipa era. It would be like, you have to just laugh with friends more. That's why I look, that's why I look like this. It's like, when Zara Larson's like, my abs from laughing.

Yeah, you're like, don't piss me. No, it's not. No, it's not. Are you kidding me? I didn't realize we're doing a fake news, misinformation podcast. We sell tickets to our conference. cancel her. Get her. Build abs from laughing. Oh my gosh. It's so funny. Yeah, I don't know. I just think that I feel optimistic about it, which is maybe like I've got like you're at the beginning

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So this is like when she got diagnosed with cancer. So this was like a weird. So I got like a lot of checkups. Yeah. And a lot of like scans and stuff. And I'm fine. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What? But I'm okay. So I was like, oh, okay. Are you still feeling that or not? You know what's crazy is I think I've like worked through a lot of it and I think I'm feeling better. And then with that comes a new fear, which is, oh, no, I have to keep doing this. Keep doing what? Just like working, living. Just like I have to keep being here. You mean taking up my garbage? Yeah, exactly. And for I think for a while it was like, oh, I'm just going to push myself really hard as far as works concerned because I only have until like this age. and now I'm like, oh, no, I might be alive for longer and my career I might have to start thinking about it, you know, the longevity. You're training life as a sprint and it turns out it's a marathon.

As it turns out. Yeah. And for most people, that would be good news. And it is. And it is. But, you know, it's just I'm tired. That's really been, that's what's freaking me out about aging is how tired I am. Are you able to rest or are you one of those people that just like cannot take a vacation

and take a break? I'm getting better at it. She's that one. No, she's lying. I am getting better at it, though, I think. But I need, like, a good excuse to take a break. Like, I have to be sick or dating someone or writing something. And then I can rest. And how long are the breaks?

I mean. Max three days. I haven't been touring since November. That's huge. I don't know if any of your projects are secret. I mean, I don't, like, I don't talk about it. She's writing, like, she's writing like, this isn't a break. But I'm not touring.

Yeah, you're doing nine other. things. Full time. You're doing full time work. But does it stem from I want to do this or does it stem from like fear of now it stems from I want to do this? I think it was both before for years and now I think it's purely. You're tapering into joy. Yes. Like you and I were hanging out the other day and we were talking about something we want to write together. We wrote our movie on your phone. We wrote our movie on my phone and I was like I left and I was like oh man like I love Sophie so much because she and I are so similar in how much we love stand-up and how much we love working. Yeah. Well, it doesn't feel like work is, I think, a big part of it. And like stand-up really, it's like, I really can't clock it as work.

Like sometimes the travel is kind of hard on you because you're on a lot of flights. And sometimes when you're like losing your voice or you're sick or something, it's like really hard to get through it. But it really doesn't ever feel like work. I think once there are expectations on it, it feels like work when I'm just like like I did sets on my friend Dustin's shows in Portland and I was like this is amazing like this is just doing stand up purely for the sake of doing stand up because like they weren't my fans like I didn't sell the tickets nobody knew I was going to be there like once I feel like you're selling tickets and you're like oh I can't cancel any of these and I'm running down and I'm getting sick all the time you got to walk a mile in my shoes you got to open for your friend on the road it was really high pressure it was it was really really really nice to just swoop it and kill for 10 minutes and then leave yeah it's like mintus gig and showbiz can you guys give me some advice because kids i can't i haven't done stand-up in six months well how would you how would you start from scratch i've seen you at the comedy store you haven't done it oh those are old clips that wasn't me jody you have you're putting out clips all the time yeah i was i feel like i'm i just am

really in this era of like I'm breastfeeding and I'm tired and my brain is working in a whole different way and I'm like I know that this I'm like reaching for what you guys are saying and I can't I want to well I've never taken this much time off of stand up besides COVID and it's because I've been writing a book and amongst a few other things but like I really I never understood why when people got into writers rooms they like stop doing stand up I'm like don't you miss doing stand-up and then once I was like writing other stuff full-time I was like oh no this is like this takes up all your energy that's why I was so impressed when you were doing the monologues on after midnight I've never stopped doing stand-up I've had I've had our writing you know the writing job on the show for

two seasons season a half and then I did three years on a show in Canada also like you know six or seven months of the year and I never stopped doing stand-up and I was like yeah your schedule was insane but it's because all I want to do is stand-up and stand-up is always the easiest thing to But like if you're really overwhelmed and you have all this stuff going on and you have a job and you have to do all this stuff. Standup is the easiest thing to cut out of your schedule. But it's the thing that makes life worth living for me. And so I just can. And so I just will all cut out sleep or like.

Oh my God. You know? But if I had a kid, this is what I'm saying. If I had a baby, I would probably just be like obsessed with the baby. But you said that you haven't been on tour. Have you, do you feel like nervous if you'd go back to stand up or have you been doing it? I've done like stand up like 15 times since November, which is crazy for me. And like November, December was really tough for me.

When I first got off the road and I didn't have that like dopamine hit at night, that was really tough. You had to detox. Yeah, I honestly did. Yeah. Yeah. I honestly was kind of detoxing from like attention. Yeah.

And then I feel like I got into a rhythm where I was like, and I'm totally fine. And I don't even need that. And then I got back on stage and I was like, oh, I'm like me. again. Like I didn't realize I was kind of like withering away. And now that I'm working on stand up again, I'm like, she's back. Yeah. I feel like that's how you're going to feel. Like yeah. And also it's like right now it's like it's hibernation, but hibernation is like necessary, right? You're like all of these things that you're experiencing now, you're going to get to talk about on stage in like a couple weeks. Okay. Thank you. Because you're a completely different

person with a second baby. You feel nervous? You feel nervous to go back? Yeah. But you're so good at stand-up. It's like at first, at first, even when you take a couple weeks off and you go back, you're, you're little nervous because you're like, you're trying, you're using, you know, even a few nights sometimes it could be scary. Yeah, because it's, we rely so much on like the muscle memory of saying our set. And so it's like, of course, getting back in the rhythm is scary. But it's, you jump back in so fast. You also are going up at the store. And I'm scared to go up at the store, even when I'm in my sharpest. You're so weird about that. It's just like, it's like social and going.

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Like, I'm curious too now that, because it sounds like you've gotten through some of the, like, the fear about becoming the age that your mom was. Like, what is your relationship with your mom like now? Like, like, I don't know, you're a successful adult. Like, well, she doesn't say much. No. No, that's interesting. I, I mean, it just varies on the day. Like, I feel a lot of weird.

responsibility to like succeed because I think she was so creative and cool and she like didn't pursue any of that she just got married and had kids which is totally fine but like I just feel that because she died like all this potential is just gone and so I'm like okay well I got to do something with everything that I got from her maybe a little bit and then it just I don't know like it was just Mother's Day and my siblings and I were all all like, ooh, this year it kind of sucked. But then other years you like forget it's Mother's Day and it's not a big deal. So it just kind of like comes in waves. It's like grief is so weird in that way is that it's like, you know, just not linear at all, which I know is a hacky thing

to say. It's just so interesting to hear that you said this year Mother's Day sucked because that day you came over to my house for about six hours. And that was what I loved. That part I love. So it's just interesting to me that they sucked so much because we had so much fun at my house. But. Well, and after I left, no, it's good to know. It's good to know. that after I left her got sad, but while I was there, I felt great. Yeah, but I think that that's really nice. I think that that's really nice is that you're, you're honoring your mom and following your dreams. And I think that your mom, I mean, obviously I don't know her, but I think that she also would want you to rest and take care of yourself and do those things as well. And I think that

you so have run with these opportunities and with your passion and you've created this life around your, your creative abilities. And I think that she would want you also to to have balance and have rest and like not have to um over exert yourself or she's in heaven going this single childless cat lady who can't even handle a cat what are you doing down there keep a relationship alive bitch yeah i promise you that's not what she's thinking well i'm like getting emotional well you're i am no don't cry so it's okay um it's fine it's fine You can cry. You want me to cry too? Yeah. You cry so beautifully. You really do.

You guys, this is huge because she's on Lexa Pro and tears are hard to come by on Lexa Pro. So this is deep and real. Then go with it. Then yeah. Should we lean in? Taylor wants me to stuff it down? No, no, should we lean in? If these are rare, because I don't cry as much anymore and I miss it a lot. Do I have me to tell her more about how her mom would be so proud of her? Would that be helpful? No, I know. That's true. I have lashes on.

Do you, are you on an SSRI? No, I'm on a mood stabilizer. though, and then I'm on something for sleep, and I feel like all of that makes it a little harder to access certain emotions. So then when I get real weepy, I try to lean into it for like a week. That's right. Like when I watched heated rivalry. I see. I collect SSRI tears like this right here. I'm like, let me have some. Because I feel like that's really special because if you, it is hard to access those tears. So when you do access them, it's like, oh, that was deep, what you felt.

Yeah, no, that does really the kind of thing you'd put in like a spell. Yes, yes. It's spelled tears. The tears of a depressed woman. Yeah. One tiny one. Did you have to get off of SSRIs when you were pregnant? No. So my first pregnancy, I did go off it just because I was like, maybe I should.

And then I shouldn't have. That was a mistake. But it's safe to be on them. Yes, it is. My second pregnancy, I stayed on them the whole time and I am doing much better around that decision. Because that was another fear of mine about getting pregnant. Oh, no. Most, I mean, I know maybe not all, but.

Lexa Pro I was good. Like, I'm sure you could, whatever, find something. But, yeah. I'm pregnant. I'm still taking my Ozumpic. I would talk to your doctor for. No, I just want my baby to be skinny. She won't mind.

The smaller the baby is, the easier it'll come out. That's such a good point. Keep it tight. Do you want kids? I want one laid in life. Yes. So chic. That is chic.

Go with 40, K. I want to. I want to. 40. Is this on your mind at all? Where are you at? I could kind of go either way. Like, I'm, I'm leaning towards no, but I've also changed my mind about so much stuff over the years. And like, when I was 25, I wanted one so bad. Really? Oh, so bad I wanted a baby. Even when you were doing stand-up at 25, you wanted a baby? Yeah, I was like, I want to have a baby at like 30. I was like, if I can just get to a certain level and hopefully I can have a baby when I'm like 30 or 32 or whatever because I

really just always thought I would have kids. It's depended a lot on like who I was dating to where I've dated certain people where I'm like, oh, I would totally parent with you and then I've dated other people that I was like, I would never parent with you. But I've let myself kind of think about what a future with everyone would look like and that has allowed me to picture what a life without kids would look like and I think I could be just as happy either way. But if you have a kid now, I will help you raise it Jewish. No, I really, I... And I would love our Jewish baby.

I could see myself in like five years just like pretty quickly being like, oh, I have to have one. Well, I do think it's interesting to hear you asking about like, you know, as you approach your mom's age when she passed away, because I think a lot of people end up reflecting on motherhood when you reach the age that your mom was when they had you. Yes. And I came... I think my mom was like 28, so I'm past that. But I am now the age that my too old for me boyfriend was when I was a teenager. And so I am. This is a real thing.

I am now like considering having like a teenage lover. Wait, so when I was 22, I dated a 40 year old man and I thought he was so cool. Now that I'm 40, I'm like, that motherfucker was weird. Yes, of course. What a fucking weirdo. And creep. Oh my God. I'm so icked out by him.

even a thought of him because I was 22. Yes. No, but you think about it now. Think about our friends that are our own age. And if they brought a 19 year old around that they were dating, how much you, how much when you are alone would you be like, what are you doing? If they brought a 27 year old around, I'd be like, ew. What are you doing? Petophile? It's disgusting.

No, I, it's funny when, like, pop stars started coming out with all those songs, like, Demi Lovato had one. I know. And, like, there's been, like, a few pop stars who had, like, songs. about their old boyfriends and them realizing that was really Billy Eilish had one yeah and I was like oh I thought we all did that but maybe ours didn't feel as weird at the time because ours weren't successful you know like we weren't dating John Mayer or anything we were just dating some guy who was 30 when you were 20 yeah I mean it's mostly losers it's mostly mostly the unemployed guys that are doing that yeah that's the thing is once you get like

older I just you realize those guys are losers I don't either this this is what you're saying, but I didn't have like a, I didn't have the experience, the personal experience where I dated someone like that. But when I see people I know and they want to date someone in their early 20s, I'm just like, that's because the women are age, don't respect you. Yep. Yeah. And so you have to do that because they're too stupid to know.

Yeah. And that's like when it's so, that's when it gets so sad. Think about my criteria for friendships even in my 20s, very, the bar was very low. It's like, if you wanted to drink and party, you were my friend. Yeah. Like, and that's how I felt about like boyfriends. You had to have nothing to offer. And I would date you if you were cute enough.

Yeah, if you were tall and you liked me. Yeah. Yeah. It's basically little kid rules where you're kind of like, you're the same size as me. Like, let's play. Yes. In your early 20s, it's the same. It's the same recreational drugs as me.

Yes. Let's spend our life together. The guy I dated when I was like when I was really young and was like, oh, the 10 years older than me said literally what you just said to me at one point. It was like, look at my life. Like women, my age. you're not going to be into this. And I was like,

this is the kind of self-awareness I'm not going to find from a 20-year-old guy. And that's why you're here. In the other way to find that cool. It's so funny. It is why are we like that though? That's so messed up. Like, why are we so dumb that like we think that we're special?

And like, I know. It's not that you're mature. It's that they're immature. It's there. It's them. They cannot find people within their own, their peer doesn't respect them. So they're going to dip down to,

you know the next level or they're just not attracted to women over 19 and that's not their fault oh you can have a preference for them oh I'm sorry okay sorry woke police I'm only attracted to 16 year olds lock me up I guess yeah I get into this fight with one of my friends who has only dated Asian chicks younger way younger no you know what his credit some his age oh his uh wife now's older oh okay but she's Asian so she looks like 20 years younger than him yeah and it's like you said oh it's just a preference we can't have preferences it's like no that is exoticism yeah you're a creep yeah he prefers to be a creep yeah that's my preference i know in all of us when we were 19 we're like oh i can't date a pedophile oh

i can't have a preference i can't have agency of my own body and date a pedophile oh i remember I remember being, like, surrounded by media that was, like, pretty little liars. I think she married her teacher on that show. And so, like, to me, the ultimate stamp of approval in high school was, like, if I could get a teacher to like me. Yes. That was like the, oh, my God, if I ever got that, I would know. I would know. Shout out to Mr. Scott, who I really thought I had a chance with.

That's. I did not. I did not. I did not. I know. I know. I had a crush on, like, a coach I had. I know I had a crush on like a coach I had and I was like it's 11 years

what's 11 years in the grand scheme of things come on I'm like 15 oh I wonder if it's like cute teachers because we've all had them do you think they know that yes yes you do absolutely 100% they know we all have a crush on that's why it's their responsibility to shut it down they are the adults in the room they that is you're aware that we have a crush how do they know Because we're obvious. Because we're sitting on the floor. Yeah. Yeah.

We're dumb teenagers with our stomach kicking our feet behind. That's so embarrassing that they know. It is so weird. It is so weird to think back of that time because we all had such similar experiences. And they all did such easy steps on us to get us kind of into it too. Like, of course, when you're like a young girl, you see like a cool older guy. He's got like, I don't know, a car or an apartment or like whatever the next like life step is. that for his age group, it's not impressive at all.

It's an expectation. But then for us, we're like, whoa. And then they all take, it's just like, it's so sad how simple it is for them to just be like, oh, tell us that we're so mature for our age. And then we get to feel like, wow, well, if he is stamping his approval on me, then it must be true. Okay. So I heard this, this from a therapist.

And it really resonated with me. And I feel like it does apply to this, like, relationship maybe. but if someone came to your doorstep and was like, I have a pizza and I'm going to give it to you, you'd be like, and you're really hungry, you'd be like, oh, okay. And like, but I need to, I'm, if I'm giving it to you, I'm coming into your house. You'd be like, you'd probably be like, no, you're a stranger. Like, that's okay. I don't want the pizza.

Like, it's fine. But if you were starving and you had no other food, you'd be like, okay, come on in. And we'll eat the pizza together. And that's like resembles love. Like if you have enough love in the house, you'd be like, no. But if there's no love and you're starving for love, like you'll just let the stranger in. You'll take anything. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Even the risk of getting robbed or hurt or your safety. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And then it also is like, yeah, if you don't have enough people around you who are really looking out for you, whether it be family or close friends or whatever, then also people are not speaking up about like, oh, this is a really inappropriate relationship or like you don't need to be doing this. Or like, let's find it.

Like, if you don't have that support system, you're also not fully aware of how people are viewing it. Yeah. That's, I was going to say that's a pattern for me is like I'm like always like starved of like love and connection. And so like if it's bad, it doesn't matter. Any of it is good. Like I want it.

I don't know. That's like something I'm learning. Speaking of teachers, we had crushes on. Our whole neighborhood had a crush on a member of the church. And shout out to Brother Marie. His name was Marie. A member of the church, someone who worked at the church. I guess I don't know how it works in like priesthood, but you have father.

But I think when you're working towards father or. Uncle, daddy. You have brother. Dada. Yeah, you have brother. Brother is a step down. So he had like the whole like every woman from like a, every girl to like older woman was in love with brother Marie and would gaslight him and say, well, you're not a priest yet.

You still have a chance. They would seduce him. And he shut everyone down. Like he shot, he shut men and women down. And he was so hot. And to this day, like, I love Brother Marie because he was so just about one thing. That's the hottest thing I've ever heard.

I know, right? Brother Marie. But he, boy, was he the forbidden fruit. Why was he like that? Because of God. Yeah. Oh. Your face.

I have more question. Do you see Fleaback season two? I love. That's like my favorite. brother Marie. It's based on brother Marie, but even Brother Marie didn't even give as much as Andrew Scott did. Because he gave a little bit. He was in love. He just chose. That's so true. Wow. Boundaries. It's to have firm boundaries. And when I was younger, I thought boundaries were so lame. And now I'm like, that's the hottest thing. Yeah. To have a boundary. To have the confidence in your own boundary. Well, this is something, oh, I was going to bring this up earlier. And then I think we moved on. It was like about your repressed anger.

Yeah. My whole life, I've had a really hard time expressing anger as an emotion. It's something that's never come naturally to me. If I'm upset about something, I'm crying usually. I have a really hard time being angry when I feel angry. And I don't even know that I'm angry. It's like later that I'm like, oh, I must have been so angry. And I'm learning now that anger is really hard for women to express a lot of the time.

And part of it is boundary related. And anger is actually a very self-loving emotion to have. because you're like, oh, I'm experiencing this because somebody crossed a boundary with me. And now I feel angry and I'm standing up for myself. Mm-hmm. And so I think anger is very positive and people should express it more. And also for me, like, bringing stuff up that's upset me will be really scary sometimes, especially if it's like a newer friend or someone I've just started dating.

But then whenever I do or whenever they bring up something that upset them and it goes well and it's like received either by me or by them, you just get closer to that person. And it's like a tool to get more intimate with somebody. Yeah, because you're learning somebody's boundaries. And it's really nice. And then it's like to also know that. Because for everybody it's different. Like for everybody, it's like you could have no boundaries with so many things.

And then one thing you're like sensitive about. And so it's so nice to get to know somebody on that level. Conflict and resolution is beautiful. Yeah. But some people just. Some people are so bad at it. And also getting older. And like especially, I mean, having kids and stuff, it's like if somebody

pisses you off or crosses a boundary, is it even worth bringing up to them? Or are you just like, oh, I'm just done with them? I have enough going on. It depends. If I really feel as though it's like a salvageable thing and there's like real like earnest like love for this friendship in person, like I'll fight for it. Yeah. But if it's someone where I'm just like, you know what? Nah, I'm good. I'm good. Never seeing you again. And there are there have been situations where I'm totally fine, like never speaking. And it feels good. It feels peaceful. And you're like, all right. I think because I think you can feel that way. That's like how it is too before kids.

But there's just like a little bit more clarity of like my time. Yes. I'm filled. I'm fulfilled. So I don't need to hang on to these other relationships that I was desperate. That's absolutely right. Like I will say the gift of motherhood is boundaries. I was very boundaryless before.

I didn't. I felt a lot of rage but didn't know how to bring it up in real time. So I would have a long. period of processing something and then blow up at someone after because I'm like I love to do that you don't blow up that's my journey no not yet not yet I'm saving it just way it's more impactful yeah it's better when you save it for years right right right let it just boil over but I couldn't find my words in the rage like I knew I couldn't properly communicate when I was like that upset so I would give myself time and then forget about it and then come across that person again and then

eventually just blow up. But in pregnancy and in motherhood, I just don't, I'm so depleted in a lot of ways that it's like, I got to address it in real time. And I'm like, I love me now because it's like, oh, I'm going to tell you bitch. Like I got, you know, let's let's let's work it out now. Because I won't have time down the road. And it's also less heated when it comes up right away. When you're expressing it right away, it's so easy to be like, why would you say it like that? And then they go, oh, no, I didn't. I didn't whatever. And then it's like, it's like it comes up. fast and then it goes down fast. Yeah.

Yeah. It comes and go. And that's the thing that I'm learning with emotion because I've, it's taken me so long to like learn how to have emotions. How does it feel though, the anger in your body do you get like hot? Because like for me, my heart races. I get clammy. I get like really like a physical response.

I just, I get the like closed up throat. The throat. Closes right up. Might be an allergy. Might be a food allergy. I'm allergic to it. I'm not angry. I have you guys.

Okay. So I saw this woman on TikTok who said she's like, Actually, if my friends talk me about me behind my back, she's like, that's fine. Oh, yeah, I saw this one too. She's like, I don't care. She's like, they should. And it made me realize, like, there is a difference, I think, between venting and hating. Yeah.

And, like, it actually is maybe healthy to, like, vent. I mean, I know for me, like, especially when it comes to my sister, like, I have to do a lot of venting to my mom and vice versa or whatever. And, like, that is different than, I guess, like, shit talking or, like, hey, hating your friend secretly. Yeah. That's why I feel about the comedy community. Like, I used to really be like, anybody who talks shit is that is so not okay. Or like, if someone said something about me, I was really upset by it.

And now I'm like, I get it. You know? It's fun to talk shit. It's fun to talk shit. And like, it doesn't. We talk shit. And it doesn't even. And we change our minds about people all the time.

Yeah. All the time. We'll be like, well, I don't really get what. And then two days later, we're like, actually, I think they're great. Actually, I think they're so. No, but this is a problem, though, because I'm so loyal to my friends. And so when any of my friends have a problem with somebody, I'm like, well, they're written off forever. And I'll block them and I'll be cold to them.

You're the kind of friend I like. But then the thing is, nobody updates me when they change their mind. Nobody tells me, oh, actually, we like this person anymore. I'm like, I've been being cold to them for 10 years. And you know, you guys are buddy, buddy. Yeah, no. Because my higher self, right, in therapy, you were like, you know, you learn that you're not supposed to. Like, let's say, for instance, I hate Sophie, but you continue a relationship.

with her. You should be allowed. My therapist would tell me that has nothing to do with you. Their friendship is theirs and theirs only. But then my lower self would be like, no, fuck that. Like, where's the loyalty? Yeah. Yeah.

Even though I know it's not operating at my higher self, I still do demand that like require that loyalty. I think it depends on the reason why you don't like the third person. Yes. Yes. Because if it's just, if it's something where she took my parking spot one time. She took your parking spot or did something that you didn't like. that wasn't like she didn't do something to you, she just kind of did something.

Like I think that there is a difference, but I think that you also can feel the difference where it's like if she disrespected you specifically and wants bad things for you, that is a conversation that you're allowed to have with your friend where you're like, this person did these things to me. Why are you okay with that? Yeah. I think that there is a level of that that is okay. I think it depends why you don't like the person. Because have you ever come across someone so neutral with everything and like has no

loyalties or sides? Yeah. It drives me fucking crazy. I think in Hollywood, that's every. That's so many people. That's my biggest problem with making friends in L.A. is everybody is so, like, ready to go with whoever's doing well or whoever has, like, oh, this person got a new show.

I want to be friends with them. Because you're like, oh, you're just wishy-wash. You're just, like, willing to go anywhere. You have nothing that there's nothing fundamental about you. And everyone's like seven degrees from insert, predator here. So you're just always trying to figure it out. Yeah. It's a nightmare out here.

Greece, it's a little smaller than that. I know, I know. And you get surprised. You're like, oh, that person's friends with so and so. And then you're like Googling the article again. Like, did I make that up? And then you're also like, well, how bad was it? Like the amount of times where you go back to the article and you're like, well, what did he do exactly?

Like, was he, was it misconduct? Right. There's also, there's also sometimes where people will not like somebody, but you don't know how serious it is where like sometimes you're annoyed with people. And then you have to go like, wait, how much do you hate? them. Do you hate them or are they just annoying? Do you just like prefer not to run into them? Exactly. Exactly. Because there was a period in my life where I was like, oh, if somebody is annoying to me, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. I had that period too. No, and it's just because

you're like so annoyed by that. You're like, oh, I can't. It's like painful to be so annoyed by something. But then you do get to a point where you're kind of like, that person does have a good heart. They're just socially or not great. Like it is, it is important to have that, that change eventually. And that really pisses me off when male stand-up comedians will like talk shit about people who they find annoying and then their best friends like literally a predator. And you're just like, okay. So they make you feel weird at parties, but your main guy is forcing himself on people. It's like so crazy. But this is why it makes me so insane when people are like, oh, chapel ron is mean.

Chapel ron is mean. It's like, first of all, she's a lesbian pop star. obviously she's mean those are the meanest scripts of people in the world she's so talented she's allowed to be mean it's also men are raping people yeah chop around can't be mean to somebody like mean is so and women are so dragged through the mud for being mean or being short or like even yelling at someone I'm kind of like it's not that bad no everyone hates a woman with boundaries so much more than a man with allegations than a man without boundary it's insane exactly it's so crazy yeah well here's what I want to say about the like friends with the friend that you don't like or whatever i feel personally so

exhausted and burned by like years i've spent being close to someone who hated everyone yeah and then i like fell for it and i took the bait and i was like i'm a good friend because now when i am around that person i'm going to be weird and not nice to them and then it takes you a while where you're like, oh, wait, no, the problem is that person. And I just, like, was weird now to people who are so normal and nice. And, like, I've fucked up. Yeah. I've done that too.

And there's, it's, you live and you learn. Yeah. You'd be cold to someone for 10 years. You learn. You switch it up real fast. And you're like, hang out. Wait, they're actually so cool. No, I've definitely been there too.

And it's sad when you realize you're like, oh, my God, how many bridges I've burned. Yeah. I had a bad one. I had a bad one of those. I had a friend who was one of my friends who I was very loyal to. And we were in the same scene in Canada. And she didn't like this other girl. This other girl had said something mean to her or something like that.

I, good friend. I'm like, let's block her on my phone. Because that's one thing that I like to offer to people who I really love is if they're talking about someone they don't like, I'm like, well, block them from my phone. Like block them from my Instagram. And you go, Sophie, you've never met them. And she goes, and now I never will. exactly exactly good friend

good friend I hope to never cross pass with them but then I was not updated that the situation had changed between these two that they had become sort of friends and eventually I found out about it I unblocked her I was like you know hope that's not going to come back and bite me

and then I'm at a party and she comes up to me and she's like really upset and she's like why don't you like me and like I saw that you blocked me and blah blah blah and I felt so fucking bad and it's like I didn't even have a good reason. I was like I was to I was being funny to my friend who the and who I would have told her. Oh, I would have been like Instagram did an update. And I and my whole everything's weird

and all my messages open. Yeah. I don't even, everyone's telling me I blocked them. It's crazy. No, I blocked so many people. I blocked my mom. I don't even know why. Damn Mark Zuckerberg. It's damn Mark Zuckerberg. It's the problem. I bet. No, I should I don't know. I just felt so bad. So I know what you mean where you're just like, oops. But good. That girl. I love that that girl approached you about it. Yeah. I would never. No, yeah.

Okay, so something hurt my feelings a little while ago. I didn't even know I hurt my feelings until it happened, which is I got a notification that said, Chef Roy Choi now follows you. And I'm like. From best friend? Yeah, I was like, but Chef and I have, we've always followed each other. I'm like, did he unfollow me at some point and then refollowed me? And now I'm like, what did I do, Chef?

I've accidentally unfollowed people. I've just like hit the button truly and then like followed right back. I'm actually, what did I do? Yeah, I'm going to apply to her that you care. About chef Roy Choi, yes. Yeah, so that easily could have been an accident, truly. I'm talking to you, chef. Please clarify the situation.

He's a chef, he's chopping, he's unfollow it. You can't take the heat. Stay out of the kitchen. And it's so hard to cook and not be on your phone. It's so boring. I'm not even being sarcastic. I mean, no. I love it.

I love Reddit. I'm new to Reddit. How do you feel about? I never went on Reddit before the I don't use Reddit. It's a scary place for, you know, you're on Reddit actively. Yeah. Oh, I messaged strangers on Reddit. I didn't even know it had messaging on Reddit. I didn't know that either. I just go on there for like health stuff. Same. Yeah. We're probably messaging. No, we probably are. I go on there. That's my doctor. So. Am I the asshole if I tell my friend, I can't be a bridesmaid? We're both 23 females. I get her heart isn't a good. place and I said yes initially because we've been friends basically our whole lives but we haven't been that close recently I was roped into planning this engagement party planning picnic and there just seems

to be a lot of extremely detail-oriented tasks that I've never even heard of we've been on zoom four times just for this the wedding isn't till next year but I'm worried I'm signing up for way more than I will be able to handle I'm about to be in med school I have a young niece and newborn nephew work full time till school starts and have a lot going on between me and my boyfriend's family. But they just got engaged. I'm also thinking this is just a lot of early energy that will be burned through. Does anyone have any have a similar experience? Does detail oriented necessarily lead to Bridezilla? I guess I'm on the fence, but also freaked out. Am I the asshole? Oh, I love this. And so much good detail was given here. Right. And they're both 23. They're both 23. And she's also giving

giving her a lot of kind of benefit of the doubt too with the like it's a year away maybe this is just excitement like I like the way that she's coming into this conversation she seems very mature for 23 she does yes I can't date her don't tell 23 year olds they're

too old for me too old people you see where you're going with this sorry I have a new niece you have a new niece no I mean my first impression with this is it's like you seem to really know like your own bandwidth.

I mean, for Zoom meetings for like a bridesmaid game is unacceptable. I think that that does stand out as like, that's crazy. Yeah, no, I don't think that's going to get better as you get closer to the wedding. Yeah. That seems like that's going to be the energy all the way through. If I was going to be in med school, I'd use that to get out of everything. Yeah. Yeah.

I have a kind of intimate experience with something similar to this. So I got invited to a wedding. My close friends in New York, I said, yes, because we've been friends for a long time. She was great as a bride. the bridesmaid group was not great to me they were all friends because they had but i was sort of kind of kind of one of the two outsiders they didn't know me personally and when i said i didn't know that they were they had planned a huge bollywood dance at the wedding so they would practice together and then they were like colila do you want to do like zoom practices with us and i'm like no this is not what i signed up for and i was just going

through and they kind of during the wedding they were not nice to me they kind of like outcast me i politely said hey i'm not going to be part of the dance you girls do your own thing have fun but like i can't do these like hour long rehearsals like once a week or whatever like no thank you i mean even hearing that it's like a dance group of girls is like it's all i need to hear like this is not it was too serious and it's not all dance girls i know that you're a good dancer yeah but i'm not like would you have done that what would you have been in the dance? Does that sound fun? Even you wouldn't have done it. See, that's a crazy. If it was the girls that I all knew and we were like, let's do this thing, maybe, but they were all friends,

so they were having fun doing it. So I would have just been the outsider, just been like, hi guys, I'm here for the Zoom. No, that's crazy. I don't, I've been in that situation where I feel like I'm the one person that's kind of, and like, like, I'm on a group text with like a lot of people that I've been on for years. It's like from a previous job. I never read it. I never respond to anything but I'm just like and it's kind of weird but I'm just like I'm good like I don't feel a type of way about it I'm just like this is how it is I don't know I think in every group chat there's one cuck yeah I've been it I'm for sure I think you're totally right about this isn't going to get better no and but I also think that when you try to speak up and say that like maybe I can only do so

much that that's not going to go well. Oh yeah there's an update for sure to this yeah are you guys able to read this note as you know you're one of my best friends I love you so much I humbly invite you to join me on the journey of bridesmaids it will be euphoric magical challenging and dot dot dot like life changing oh my god this will be a huge opportunity for everyone involved won't you join us I know you won't make this difficult love Emily oh oh what this is I know you won't make this difficult. Emily. I hate Emily. I hate Emily. I know you won't make this difficult. And to write it in pink marker to really throw you off. With her non-dominant hand that seems like to. Welcome to the engagement party planning. No. They have a picnic for the planning. Okay, but there are

going to be, this girl has friends who will love all of this. Truly, some girls love this and you just have too much going on. No, and you and I have actually talked about this before with weddings. where we both can't see ourselves being Bridezillus at all. And I think that, and we've talked about this. It's like, we get to get glammed up,

be the star of the show all the time. Some people, this is the only opportunity to get a high-res photo of yourself. Yes. It's true. And that's stressful. And that's stressful.

Do you remember the first time you got head shots done? Do you remember the first like event you went to? Like it is so stressful and you're like, I have to look perfect. Everything has to look perfect. You're so right. And so for people,

who don't get an opportunity to be seen and to like have a day be about them. This is what happens. Laminated pieces of paper happen and are passed around at a picnic. And it obviously makes us sick to even see it. I can't even look at it. Oh my God,

it's gemmily. But some girls are going to love that. Yeah. And it's going to be fun for them. And I'm sure there are lots of friends in the group. Oh my God. They have dues and don't. Oh, my God.

Reveal time. Use a hashtag gemily. Tease launch wedding. Wow. I mean, I respect the organization. I really do. I kind of wish that this was me. Like, I'm drawn to this.

Something's coming up for me. I don't know. I'm feeling something. I want this. I regret. Okay, so I want this out of my wedding planner. I don't want this out of the bridal party. I want to show up and be surprised at my wedding.

Yeah. You want to be like, wow. You want everyone to go surprise. Yeah. I want to be like, oh, we went with burnt orange. Okay. I love it. Not really my color palette, but I like it for others.

Oh my gosh. What's the update? Oh, I want to read the note. The amount of handwritten notes that are being circulated. Okay, zoom in a little bit more. I can't believe you would post what you did and embarrass us with your toxic lies. Never speak to me or anyone I know again. And just FYI, as unhinged and rude as you are, you can't take away from hashtag Gemily's potential.

Don't be nervous. Love always. Emily. I take it by everything I said. Emily's insane. This is so crazy. Oh my God. But you're so right. Asher, you can't say she shouldn't have said anything. Yeah, there's certain people that you can't. But also, you should have and you dodged a bullet. Now you're out of it. Because this, this is shit is crazy. Okay. Thanks for all the comments, everyone. I had no idea that the post would take off like that. Oh, so is that Emily responding to the Reddit post? Did Emily see the Reddit post? Yes. I just wanted to update you that the day I made the post, Emily blocked me on everything. And to be honest, I I figured that might happen, like I said before, we were close, but it wasn't really,

it wasn't recently middle school. And this kind of felt like being roped into something. Yeah, I mean, if you ask your friend for a favor and then it goes viral on Reddit, you are kind of like, yeah, don't come to my wedding. Oh, wait, that's, okay. I was going to ask, if you look at the note of the laminated paper, all the way to the right, it said, no, Abigail. And I was like, I was like, wait a second, who is Abigail?

Oh, my God. That's so fucking funny. Oh, my God. This is insane. I told you I want to be this. Wait. You want to be this? I'm back in. I'm back in now for no Abigail.

That's so funny. It says the reason I'm not freaked out because Abigail also sent me a DM and we ended up talking on the phone. She said it's a lot more complicated what happened with her. But she was reassuring that she didn't think Emily would actually do anything besides bad mouth me a lot. So Obeye is now calling Abigail to go, what's she going to do to me? Abigail was an op.

And so, and they were like, no Abigail. Now I feel like this girl, the original poster, and Abigail are going to be lifelong friends. Right, right. And what a story. Wow, both wounded soldiers. Yes. What an origin story for your friendship. Oh, my God.

This really makes me grateful for my friendships. I know. I love you. Every podcast we do, we're holding hands. The wedding on the laminate says the wedding is the weekend of September 10th. And everyone's pointing out that they're trying to avoid saying September 11th. It's September 11th. Probably because it's cheaper.

He's an air of mystery. God, this is incredible. Thank you so much. I'm so grateful. We finally made this happen. This was such a fun hang. I feel like we've just been trying to plan a hang. I know.

And Taylor, your new special prodigal daughter on Netflix is so funny and so good. I'm like blown away. I also the all the viral clips from it like the whole thing about saying what you grew up with so you don't you're afraid of it now is so funny oh thank you oh that the bridge to terribithia author wrote me about oh my god i know wasn't that crazy she wrote me a long letter too wow i just posted the signature but she wrote me a long letter about yes she is a writer and it was very sweet and also she told me to read my bible again oh so i was like but you know maybe she's right yeah because she was basically like well you should never hit a child and read the bible again

And I said, okay, all right. Sure. I'll take both. Sure. I'll take both. Yeah. Next time you're here, though, I do want to talk to you about how you're afraid of low-rise jeans because I, we need to. Well, I have.

These are low-rise jeans. These are not low-rise jeans. These are not. I do have some now, but they're not. The low-rise jeans that are available now are mid-rise. They're not the low-rise jeans from when we were kids. These are fake. Yeah.

These are fake. These are fake. Those ones had zippers this long. Yes, those were insane. I know you're not on tour right now. No. But I know you will be very soon. but I'm sure I will be soon.

Yeah. I am taking June off, but I have lots of tour dates in July and August and September. So you can find me Sophie Budds on Instagram. You can find me all over Taylor's Grid, hopefully. Sophie's so funny. You're so funny. You're so funny. You're so funny.

Remember when we were talking about Sophie? Once we were like, wait, where did she come from? She's so funny out of nowhere. Like, we were just totally... New girl in town. Yeah. We were going off about you. And then Taylor pointed out that you had already been doing stand-up for like so long.

And that's why you're so good. But I didn't know until we hung out. I know. Because I just, she like, you would like, had you just moved here? Yeah. Yeah. I moved here. I moved here when, um, when I got my first late night.

And so it seemed like I moved here and then I booked late night. But I was like waiting for my, for my cordon date to move. Because we were both like, how is she so funny and so amazing? You're so funny. You're so funny. I'm so excited for you to get back into sand up, too. It'll be so nice to see you at the store. Thanks, we'll see.

It's going to be great. I don't know. You have Dulago. Do Largo. That's a soft reentry. Okay. That's true. Yeah.

It is. Largo's great. Do Largo. Yeah. We'll do Largo. I'll text you. Okay. Yeah.

That was how you broke the seal when you took a little break too. Mm-hmm. It's all so scary. Anyways, we love you guys. Thank you so much for being here. And thank you. And we'll see next week with the right episode. Yay!