TRASHFUTURE - 50 Cent: The Global King of Cool feat. Patrick Monahan and Kimberley McIntosh

Episode Date: October 17, 2018

On this week’s Trashfuture podcast, Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani) spoke with Kimberley McIntosh (@mcintosh_kim), policy officer at the Runnymede Trust, and Patrick Monahan (@pattymo), comedian and cohost of What a Time to Be Alive, about some topics close to our hearts: the insane writings of the next Tory candidate for London Mayor, Shaun Bailey. We also touch on our favourite topics: the absurd products of our current bad gilded age. Kimberley wrote a great article in the Guardian about Bailey, which you can read here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/11/shaun-bailey-offensive-comments-london-mayor-candidate You can listen to Patrick’s podcast here: https://soundcloud.com/whatatimepod Also, remember that your favourite moron lads have a Patreon now. You too can support us here: https://www.patreon.com/trashfuture/overview Don’t forget that you can commodify your dissent with a t-shirt from http://www.lilcomrade.com/. Get whichever slogan you want, but get the damn shirts!

Last night I was at a party and this girl was talking to me about this magazine that her grandma subscribes to, and she was like, yeah, my grandma was always telling me about these crazy articles she reads in the federal magazine, and I'm like, isn't that one of those crazy American racist ones? And she's like, wait, what? And I'm like, well, the federal magazine, and she's like, no, no, no, I mean the Roger Federer magazine, that's what my grandma subscribes to, and I was just having this great, fun imagining to myself Roger Federer writing these like insane right-wing Jewish conspiracy

articles like in his own personal magazine, and her grandma being like, this Roger Federer guy knows what he's talking about, a genius on and off the tennis court. But I've heard there is actually, from the Roger Federer magazine, I've heard there is a civil war brewing in the United States. Yeah, it's strange, you never would have thought that telling some Republican policy wonk that you're going to put him in a diaper or whatever, lead anywhere beyond just, you know, instability on the website. But yeah, things are getting weird here.

I don't know, you wouldn't think it would start in New York, you think it would start somewhere a little bit more contested, but right now there's actually, it's not really being reported on, but there's a blockade around Williamsburg, and not a lot of alcohol, drugs, really all that stuff can't get in or out. So we're losing a lot of the fuel that we need. Drastic shortages of bad oil. See, what we need is we need an inspiring speech from one of our leaders. We need the Gettysburg Periscope.

That's right. So you know, I think hopefully cooler heads will prevail, but you know, we're looking at the next Fort Sumter, and I think it's going to be something along the lines of a fight at the Park Slope co-op or something. I don't know. We'll see. I just hope that the real heads prevail. Or maybe at a restaurant in Northern Virginia called Fort Sumter, when Mike Pence is trying

to order some like a root marm or whatever food doesn't make you jack off, someone's going to come in and rush him out, and that's going to be the inciting incident. No, it's going to be something more stupid. I feel like that's the only way that something this could happen. So it'd be like, I don't know, like what's the most inconsequential thing that could happen, and then somehow it's turned into like an Antifa scandal. No, it's going to be like a racism thing, right? So it'll be like some old white lady, kind of, you know, getting angry at a cashier

because she paid, she gave, she gave him, she was given change in like coins instead of notes, and it was like, this is racism. And somehow like Fox News will be like Antifa, Antifa, like, what's it called? Like Antifa, my brain is fried to death. Antifa operatives have given me my change in coins when they should have given me my change in notes from this pint of piss, which I purchased as I do every day. Here at this pub. It's because Antifa hates George Washington and then somehow like all the fucking, you

know, Gavin McKinnon's dickheads will like, you know, come to New York and like, it'll just be some weird proud, you know, that's how it will start. It'll start with the stupidest thing. It's going to start with the proud boys doing a flash mob, and it's going to, and it will end with the quote unquote, thousand year, right? That's actually just a joke to trigger the liberals. Hello, and welcome back again, dear and loyal listeners or new listeners or disloyal listeners, because we know who you are to trash future.

The podcast where I don't say the thing anymore. We have a full, an almost full group of us here today. It's me, Riley. You may remember me from every other episode of this podcast on the boards today, operating at 30% capacity is Milo Edwards. Hell yeah, it's me, your boy. I've been interested with the technology on the basis that the most hungover person in the room should always operate the like complicated recording software.

Like, which if it goes wrong, we'll mean this entire podcast will never exist. So that's good. Who's saying Cassavane? Hi, it's Hussain. Thank you to all the people who signed up to the trash future Patreon just so they could debate me. A little backstory to this. So I think it was Friday when we were all here.

Yeah. So we were talking about the real wedding that no one was paying attention to and how the husband, I think, was like, he read The Great Gatsby, an excerpt. No, it was a sister. It was some, some rich idiot. Right. And like, didn't actually know what The Great Gatsby was about. So, so we were like, well, if one of us get, if one of the trash boys gets married,

like what, what's going to be read? And I was like, well, obviously it's going to be like all wells, 1984, but we won't realize it's a very important book about a man who lives in an egg. So, so I came up with this tweet. I was like, something along the lines of if you're not allowed to be racist on the internet, then we'll be living in the world of 1984 dash George Orwell. And like these guys were just like, oh, uh, George Orwell didn't say that. It was like, yeah, he did.

Hey, yes, he did. And then as it continues, it was like, well, look, if you want to debate me, you have to sign up to the Patreon. And then when we look at the Patreon, we have like two new subscribers. Yeah. So thank you guys. But you didn't sign up to the right tier. You signed up to the $5 a month.

By the way, we have a Patreon sign up to it. $5 a month bonus episode tier. When really you meant to sign up to the $25 a month debate me tier. And debate me pay pig tier. We also have joining us in studio, Kimberly McIntosh. Hi, thanks for having me, guys. Kim is a policy officer at the Running Me Trust, a think tank promoting some of the BME issues throughout the UK and joining us by phone line from New York.

We have Patrick Monahan. Patty, hello. Hey guys, what's going on here? We're mid siege in the opening stages of our new civil war. So, you know, if the line cuts out, it's because they cut the power. Well, you got to worry that they might send Ben Shapiro sappers after you because his hitbox is really small. So like he's he's very, he's very, he's very, he's very hard to hit

if they send a troop of Ben Shapiro's Ben Shapiro guys, they come. It's one unit, but it's three guys. I don't remember wearing a trench coat. Well, it's three Ben Shapiro stacked on top of each other in a trench coat. And you don't even know where the logic is coming from. It's like, you know how, like in, in some animes, it would be like in Dragon Ball Z, it's not like you can't follow how quickly Goku and Frieza are fighting.

It's like, you can't even see it because they're so fast and it's cheaper to animate that. Yeah, I just realized that now that's why they were that fast. So fast, you couldn't see them because you didn't have to animate them. But that's how what it's like debating three Ben Shapiro's at once because you're like, what is coming from his stomach? I've never heard a man with a stomach that smart. You're just screaming into the air and like you're convinced that Ben Shapiro is there.

Yeah, you hear something like facts. Don't care about your feelings from the back. And then you go Dragon Ball Z surprise noise like, oh, like that they all do. He's going to flash his dick at you when he opens his trench coat, but actually just going to own you with logic. Yeah. Patty is a New York based comedian and the host of the What A Time to Be Alive podcast as well as the first thing.

Which is true. Yeah, it's true facts. Thank you for that fact check. It's very important to we famously love facts. We care about them more than our feelings. Absolutely. Even though we are all emotional boys. Yeah, we're all we're all emotional boy leftists. We all listen to Post Malone.

Yeah, you know, we all like to listen to emotional rap like Post Malone. Oh, yeah, I see. He's my least favorite of the two Malone brothers. Hey, please don't stop listening to my music. That was most Malone's most recent news story. Post Malone, come on the show. But may not be as weird as it sounds. We'll wait. But both Malone brothers are gangsters.

But you know, Post is more into like face tattoos and stuff. Whereas Bugsy is into like being a kid and wearing pinstripe suits. Carrying a gun and a violin case. Personally, I'm very excited for this because right now the SoundCloud rapper trend is to like, you know, wear a supreme hockey jersey. But your number is your name and like to have different kinds of multicolored dreadlocks and to get face tattoos. I'm really excited for them to go past the like giant boxy outfit trend

and then go full back into 1920s. See, gangster style. I think that's the next place for for SoundCloud rap to go. That'd be great. Like fiery, silly stringing each other. Yeah, you could get you could get face tattoos that are like, you'll never take me alive, copper. It'd be wonderful.

And and your face tattoo of Roger Rabbit kind of still fits, you know, along with the fashion. They're still wearing tracksuit pants, but they're pulled up really high. Yeah, it's it's and I mean, the really what it's going to be, it's going to be the the Bugs Bunny Lord, forgiving it's time to go back to the old me with the flintlock pistol. Perfect. Absolutely wonderful. Someone make that song.

One of the many friends Ferdinand, you listen to our podcast, become SoundCloud rappers and make that song. Anyway, I have I have like content and stuff to go through on this Google Doc. Hell, yeah, due to the witch's curse, we can't leave this dank hellhole until we go through it. So we're going to kick things off of the product and then get into some freaking politics, which you know what? It's spooky.

We get into some spooky politics because it's October. Oh, boy. Yeah. Right. He's currently holding a torch under his chin. For the benefit of this. I'm holding a tiki torch. Halloween life show. Oh, yes. I forgot. We also had to plug the live show.

We're doing a live show at the Sekford on the 30th of October, which is Halloween, which is what's it's Muslim Halloween. Yeah. Muslim Halloween. It's it's Muslim Halloween here in the Caliphate. Yeah. Well, I mean, every event in the Caliphate is a Muslim event. Oh, yeah, of course. The Muslim Super Bowl, Muslim Christmas, Muslim Easter.

Muslim Super Bowl where like the best team from the sheer Muslims plays the best team from the Sunni Muslims. And we get to find out exactly. Yeah. What happens at Muslim Easter, though? Who comes back? Oh, this isn't a theology podcast, man. But yeah, think about it. Yeah. Well, I think who comes back is obviously the hidden Imam.

Like it's them. It's when the Mardi comes. That's a controversial one. Yeah. Bear in mind the Caliphate here is a Sunni Caliphate. OK, I was the Mardi. The Mardi comes back and then finally Rids Britain of the Infidel. But I thought the hidden Imam was a SoundCloud rapper. I mean, it's not completely unfeasible. Put it back. His law follows on LinkedIn.

Yeah. All right. LinkedIn rappers have a new thing. All right. So before we get into the into the politics today, the spooky politics, I do have a product and who, boy, is it ever Frighttacular? I mean, it's Frighttacular if you hate dumb shit. That's very expensive. Is it a Wi-Fi connected pumpkin? That would be hilarious, but no.

Well, maybe let's go through it. So it's actually called the King George the Sixth, and it is blank based. And the place the place where you get it uses three different blanks. And it celebrates the best of British spirit and decadence. Right. It's a pub where you're served urine. This is a throwback. This is a throwback. This is for the heads.

This is for the classic heads. This is from one of the many times one of us has got in the cards bar. That's your boasting, isn't it? Yes. One of us. Yeah. So like the free tubes, they represent the certain type of viscosity of P, but you drink in the pub called the King George the Sixth. Yes. And the reason it's being done is because the libs are being owned.

Absolutely. It is because it's conservatives and they come to the UK, go to this pub, and then they order one of three types of premium urine to what own us. Yes. Yeah, exactly. Because it's make America great again by drinking pee from this pub. Yeah. And yeah, of course.

And in the words of Tom Harwood, our friend at Guido Forks, you may not want it, but don't deny me the right to drink my own pee. Okay. So it's a Tom Harwood theme pub where you drink something else's pee. That's guess one. Anyone else have a guess? I feel so sorry for the list. I'm not a big anglophile, but I'm assuming it's just one of those things, those weird cracker things you guys use at Christmas, where you just blow open the things and there's stuff inside.

That's pretty much all I got. Do you guys not have that in America? No, we blow a lot of stuff up, but just not a Christmas morning. And usually not in America. Yeah. So my girlfriend's American and we were doing Christmas shopping last year, and she got excited about the idea of Christmas crackers, but being American didn't understand what they were called,

and she shouted really loud in the supermarket, Milo, don't forget we have to get Papa's. I'm like, that is not the same thing. That is a very different shopping trip. I mean, if you're not a much more American style Christmas cracker experience, what you can do is instead of a nativity, you can set up a small Yemeni wedding at the top of your plate in Christmas, and then the Saudis will just come bomb you into non-existence.

Oh, I thought you were going to describe an American Christmas where everyone is just having wild anal sex. Anyway, Papa's, anyone? The Christmas tour America, everybody. Yeah, America. The Christmas cracker is, I think, a Larry the Cable Guy holiday movie. Okay, so we have a pub where you drink pee or a Larry the Cable Guy holiday movie.

Any more for any more? Shall I move on to the next hint? Yeah, can we have another clue? Oh, can I guess one aspect? You may. Is it vegan? It actually might. No, it's not.

It's not. Okay. It's not. It's not. Is it plant-based? No. Okay. Is it a euthanasia device that kills you

by giving you an overdose of a speedball? I mean, it's definitely something that someone who's eventually going to dignitas would get. Okay. Oh, wait, was it King George VI? I think it was King George V that died that way. The monarchy's great. I'm so glad we pay so much money to support it.

King George V was murdered by his doctor using a speedball. Genuinely. Little way to go. He died in the same way as John Belushi. Are we suggesting that King George V, just met his doctor and then was like, dude, I have so many good ideas for us to start restaurants? Yo, what if?

What if we take Buckingham Palace, take out all the furniture and make it levels? It'll be modern and forward-looking, well-keeping tradition. Of course, we'll serve small plates and have a DJ. That sounds great. Can we get a call out to Vesuvio, like the restaurant in the Sopranos? Okay.

Here's the next clue. It's easy to create an expensive blank using premium blank, but we wanted to focus on the customer experience. It's possible to create a really expensive house using premium bull semen. No, it's not. Isn't that the most expensive material? I'm sorry.

My brain doesn't work today. Well, how do you create a house out of semen? It wouldn't be easy. Frozen. No, it wouldn't be easy, but it would be the right thing to do. Sometimes the easy thing is popular. Damn, I really smell like over here with the nice and the good.

Are moral obligations to build a house out of blank? I guess you could freeze it. Sometimes to walk the road of peace, you have to jack off a bull. So it's easy to create an expensive blank. I'm a little hung up on the language here. They said it's easy to create something premium, but we wanted to focus on the customer experience,

so they want to make it not premium for the customer. I'm a little confused. I still think it's the P-Pub. Look, I mean, every time I research these, I'm always more than a little confused. But it uses three different somethings. It celebrates the best of British spirit and decadence, and while it's easy to create an expensive blank

using premium blank, they wanted to focus on the customer experience. Right? It's a tricky one. It's one of the somethings deep blue something. It's the movie Deep Blue Sea, you're correct. Yeah, deep blue something. The band behind the song Breakfast at Tiffany's.

Okay. No one else has my frame of reference. Here's the last. There's going to be one last clue that we're just going to quickly go through, and I'll tell you exactly what it is. It's available from a place called Bletchley Park, but Bletchley Park is located in Chelsea.

So it's not like the Bletchley Park. It's like another different Bletchley Park. Yeah, it's another different Bletchley Park. Oh, how odd. This one's a real puzzler. And when we did them, when we did the mirror, Matt Lawrence got it immediately.

Wait, hang on a minute. Bletchley Park is like a guy who's like half really posh English and half Korean. Absolutely. That it's available from him. He makes an Igloid of bull semen, and it's easy to create an expensive Igloid of bull, using premium bull semen,

but he went for the right thing to do. Okay. I'm just going to tell you guys what it is. It's a drink that costs a hundred pounds. Is it pee? It will eventually be pee, but no, it's bull semen. It will never be bull semen. It is a hundred pound drink

that's made of a mix of normal bourbon, a normal Polish liqueur, and shambord, a normal, a normal, a normal other drink available. Here's the thing. Experience economy episode fans take note. It's available at a cocktail bar

called Bletchley Park, named after the mansion where they broke codes in World War Two. Where you have to say the secret password to get in, and they dress you up like a code breaker from World War Two. But don't worry, ordering is nightmarishly complicated

because you need to use a code-breaking machine. Oh, my God. Oh, wow. And if you go, do they also sterilize gay people in there to make you, to make you feel like that? That was the dumbest ever policy,

sterilizing gay people. Literally, aside from the rights and wrongs of it, it's just like you've not understood gay people at all. Yeah, good luck getting pregnant now, boys. You're not going to make any more gays. We'll see to it. Oh, yeah. Right.

So, okay. So, I get some of this, right? Because, so, as the person who doesn't drink, I don't know. No. Yeah. Other combinations, good. Like, do they work?

They sound weird. Well, I mean, No. We've all had, I mean... What's in the Polish liqueur? I think that's the real question. I mean, there were chosen... Is it like a carp-flavored liqueur?

Because if so... I mean, I didn't say. But, I mean, here's the thing. Like, what really gets me is it costs 100 pounds. It's an infusion made using dry ice, topped up with mascarpone foam, gold chocolates, edible diamonds and caramel. And it's finished with...

Edible diamonds. I don't know what an edible diamond is. Either it's edible or it's a diamond. Those two things do not meet at any point. No, it's like when the gold-coated fried chicken was a thing last year. Yeah, I saw that. And it went like super viral.

And then when they were like, Well, how do you get the gold on? It's basically, well, we get this really tiny bit of gold. Just reduce it into flakes that are so irrelevant that you can't... The second they touch your tongue, they'll just dissolve anyway. Flakes that are made out of Toby Young's opinions.

And the only kind of purpose having them is so that you can Instagram them saying, Oh, I'm eating gold, like gold-plated chicken wings. Yeah. And it just, in this case, it costs a hundred pounds and takes three days to prepare. It takes three days. You have to order it three days in advance.

Then it takes a half hour for them to make it. That whole process just seems like no one would enjoy it though. Because like, so you're like, let's say you're like your, you're disgruntled like city worker, right? That's who this is for, by the way. Yeah. It's for certain people who work at certain

mid-sized management consultancy companies. None of them are gruntled. You know, so you're going to this bar and like, you have to dress up like a fucking loser. They dress you up. They dress you up. Yeah. They give you a jacket when you get there.

In the Soviet cocktail bar. Yeah. Did they wear a particular kind of jacket in the code breaking facilities? Is this something I'm not aware of? Yeah, the special code breaking jacket. It gives you plus four in your intelligence skill. You have to dress like that.

What are like, you know, I'm assuming that like, the codes that you have to break are not going to be like super difficult. No, they have to be good enough that a drunk idiot, white collar, you know, person with a 2-1 who now has like UBI for people with 2-1s can then effectively order a drink without accidentally getting the rat poison.

Although that would be cool in high stakes. So it's kind of like mid-2000s football trivia. Like Oasis songs. I'm going to say that, give it, here's the, a couple more things about this. Because I just, I love, I love hearing about things like this because A, it's a proven fact that all cocktails taste bad. That's not true.

No, all overly fancy, like five to seven ingredient cocktails. They all taste just sort of miscellaniously sour. That is true. Any cocktail like that, it's just like, it took a long time to make. It cost 12 pounds or for our American friends, like $20. And it just tastes sort of sour and unpleasant. And it's gone in three seconds.

I'm going to start a band called Miscellaniously Sour. Why would you start a band? It's 2018. This is another weird thing, right? It's kind of like you're simulating, I read this essay a couple of weeks ago and I can't remember, can't remember where it was. It's an essay and you don't drink?

Yeah, I might as well just be on the Romaniacs, right? So it was kind of like this idea that there was a certain generation of people who are obsessed of simulating themselves in like World War II situations because their lives are so mundane and boring, that they kind of want to fantasize like, you know, the stories that you say that, oh, you know, my granddad was in the war and all that stuff.

Like this is kind of a next extension. They want to like live like that and experience it because like nothing else, you know, the fantasy like, you know, that whole like inject it into my veins. That's effectively what it is, right? Cowboys are gay. I'm going to be a real Nazi. I love the, I also love the whole idea of going to the, going to the code breaking bar

and then accusing everyone who hasn't been there of stealing valor. It's like, sir, I serve, I serve four hours in the, in the Chelsea basement. It's been upwards of 500 pounds getting myself some like drinks made with like normal just booze you can buy from an off license and dry ice. You don't know what I went through.

Yeah. Men, men, men have been bored on Tinder dates to wear that jacket. So when, if you break the code, everyone has to like call you a troop. Yeah. That's exactly it. This is, this is how we're going to beat, uh, al-Qaeda, Russia. Who are we fighting now again? All of them.

Yeah. All of them. Yeah. It's just together in a big, it's like a sort of Marvel Avengers talk. League of shadows. So, yeah, this is how we're going to beat the league of shadows. This place, this is just a, this is just a bar for well-dressed people with autism. Is that, is that what this is?

People in fedora is basically. It's people who want, there's a thing, it's, because it's all very easy. It's people who want to steal autism valor more or less. It's the type of guys who like really love going to like, you know, make, believe, speakeasies. Oh, well, I'll tell you, it is from the brains behind the breaking bad RV cocktail bar

that used to be parked near here. And the naked restaurant. Is that a thing? Yeah, it used to be a thing. Do you have to go naked? Yeah. Well, the other restaurant just doesn't work like. Well, it's, it's a restaurant.

It's always posting thirst traps. It's a restaurant that serves you really salty food, but has no drinks. It's a restaurant. It's a restaurant that was all in darkness, but you go naked and all the waiters are naked and then you eat naked. But no one can see you.

Uh, I don't think so. What's the point? Oh, yeah, it's like, it's like, it's like, the perfect, the perfect place. The point is, it's deep, Kimberly. It's deep as hell. Point, the point, the point is, you know. How wide are the aisles between tables in that restaurant?

Right? Yeah. Not wide enough for my comfort. Like, we really have to decrease the chances of a bus boy's dick like grazing like shoulder, right? I don't want that. It's doing my meal. That's, that's, everyone is so bored by like the sort of

plastic fun houses that London and New York have become that we need to like, you know, use a little enigma machine to order a 200 pound drink or 100 pound drink and like risk a bus boy, like crop dusting us as we like have a mediocre hanger steak. No, that's an experience. Now that's the experience economy. Of course, honorable mentions in London's horrible theme bar

category include the aforementioned meth lab, prestige TV theme bar, the prison theme bar on bricklay and the worst of all, the job center, which for the benefit of Patty is our like unemployment office theme bar in Deptford. Wow. In Deptford as well. It's like the least sensitive. Apparently it's doing really well.

Like it's still existing. It's like, it's actually better funded than most of the DWP. Exactly. Exactly. Trash future, baby. We had, we had that here. So we don't have like the full on theme places as much, but we had a, there was a place in Crown Heights that was like,

they had what, what the owner who was like a lady who worked as like a lawyer for like 10 years and then bought a place right when it was gentrifying. So, oh, these are like real bullet holes in the wall. I remember that one. The neighborhood was not happy. She was not sorry. I saw a video with her.

She couldn't have given less bucks. So when a normal person went in that bar by mistake and tried to shoot themselves and missed. I love that. No, these, these bullet holes were created by like crime and deprivation. You just put those bullet holes in yourself. You fraud.

What it turned out, what they were, I think was they were marks from where they had like attached the bodega fridge to the wall or something. It was something insane. Like very mundane explanation, just holes in the wall, not bullet holes. Like, you know, just because it's in Crown Heights doesn't mean there's bullet holes.

Okay. They're, they're coming over to our country. They're shooting bodega fridges at people. It's very dangerous. Oh, okay. So everybody that is, that's the King George the sixth. Donald Trump finally builds the wall and then some Mexicans just bought a massive fridge.

It's so dumb. I don't even know if it's funny. All right. So we all know, right? That, you know, Silicon Valley is of course a hotbed of lefty liberalism that is excluding conservative voices, whether it's discriminated against employees like James DeMore, who is our logic genius, or, you know, shadow banning

David Vance, meaning he's not getting enough likes and retweets on his tweets. Right. We all know that, of course. David Vance is a real one. David, no, David Vance is like whatever stupid stuff we do, like he'll always, he'll signal boost it. Oh yeah.

Question. Oh, you know. The mystery of the vents. Yeah. So, but we all know that, right? Now we've, I don't know if you guys have seen this. I mean, you've all read the show notes. So of course you have.

I actually have a peek behind the trash feature card. But there was an article recently in Australian magazine Quillette about the, the successor to James DeMore, a guy called Brian Ammeridge. James DeLess. James, thank you. Who's saying that? Did you, did you make that up?

James, James DeMore ready. James DeMorse. James DeSufficiency. Sounds like a sound cloud rapper. James DeMorse. So could some extremely rational sound cloud rapper please pick up the name James DeMorse. Okay.

So, but Brian, Brian, but James DeMore was, so let go from Facebook for writing a memo that basically is like women be shopping, not Cody. More or less. And that's, see that, that's actually a myth. He was fired because he kept stealing eggs. He read the great Gatsby and he just got very excited about eggs. No, that's, that's, that's the, that's the Muslim Easter Bunny

is a very rational online high IQ guy steals eggs so he can then sell them in Watney market to fund the debate me tier Patreon. Dan, that was so many callbacks. So, but, so Brian Ambridge just did a similar thing. He has, he wrote, but he wrote a memo about how Facebook has a political monoculture, but what I find almost more interesting than that is the magazine in which it came out, Quillette. We've not discussed Quillette directly before,

but we read it quite a bit because it's basically like a long form online magazine started by Claire Layman, an Australian enthusiast for poorly thought out reactionary condescension. They tend to publish a lot of Toby Young who we all know who that is for our American listeners and for Patty. He's a guy who got into Oxford by accident and then got fired from a government job after three days for being really, really stupid. And he also is into eugenics.

And also bullied a student into paying for his cab that time. But if you want an approximation of the writing style of Quillette, it's like being berated at length by someone wearing full body prospector underwear with the butt flap down. But that's just anyone in Australia. You can't like, let's be fair. So we took this article from Gideon Scopes last month. It's entitled, A Facebook Engineer's plea for political diversity.

So he, this memo would much like the fire for truth memo, basically says Silicon Valley is intolerant of me, specifically Facebook. We'll get into why that's nonsense later. But he presents two main arguments. Number one, Facebook is a political monotulture that's intolerant of different views. We claim to welcome all perspectives, but are quick to attack often in mobs. Anyone who presents a view that appears to be an opposition to left-leaning ideology. We throw labels that end in OBE and IST at each other,

rather than attacking one another's ideas. Yeah, I don't remember anything about any connected guys with no Facebook. I mean, all we can say is that quote tweeting someone with dot, dot, dot, fam, and then the kind of exasperated emoji, that is violence. That's literal violence. That is literal violence. That is antifa. So what Amarage is claiming is that you cannot advance a conservative idea

without sort of people calling you a racist. In this case, we theorized the conservative idea is, I have a hood pass for some reason, but in this case, it could be anything. Why are these people talking about politics at work? That's an extraordinarily good question. Maybe if these places didn't create... I mean, this is Facebook's fault because all these Silicon Valley companies create this thing where it's like, we want to be your whole life.

Where your mom will bring your laundry to you, we'll do all you know, you don't have to go anywhere, and talk about whatever you want on our message boards. I mean, these people are morons for doing it in the first place, but I don't talk about politics in the break room at my... What are you, nuts? It doesn't make any sense to me. I think so, you know...

This kind of extremely rational conservative needs everyone to know what they think and wants to be able to sort of sit, because they feel persecuted all the time. But at the same time, this is a very deliberate thing, because what I noticed from reading this stuff, and also I guess the stuff on Spiked, and various that kind of revolving door around these publications, is that they're very well...

It's all well and good for them to kind of say that, every time a conservative opinion is announced on social media, everyone just goes for them. But they never really kind of go beyond that. They never really say, well, what conservative idea has actually been said? They kind of use these very ambiguous terms, because for all this work, if someone tweets that,

tweets something along the lines of, I don't know, a government department should be closed, because the big state is bad, or something like that. It's a stupid opinion, and it's one that's kind of founded in randism and stuff, but it's not going to be something that you're going to be like dunked on for. So the opinions that you get dunked on, are like the fucking eugenics shit, right?

It's kind of like comparison of skull shapes and stuff, which is where the whole Toby Young thing comes in. Yeah, you're not allowed to bring your phrenology calibers to a Facebook. You're not allowed to measure women's heads on the tube. I have to pretend they're tweezers. Look, no one will debate me on my legitimate conservative opinion that we should go back to the good old days, and all teenagers should have to wear leather jackets

and drive around in big old cars with flames on the side. Oh, I was going to say, it seems to me that another problem with this in the tech context is a lot of these guys, they lack, let's call it, they lack emotional intelligence. Maybe they lack the ability to feel certain emotions, and when they want to have these debates that are very dry, they say things like, well, why are you offended? It's just a word, just log into your terminal

and toggle off anger emotion. They don't understand that these things provoke a reaction in people, and that's just the way it is. I've just realized that the alt-right guys are like that villain, Renard, from the James Bond film, The World Is Not Enough, and they've all been shot in the head, and it stops them feeling emotions. Eventually, the bullet will kill them,

but they'll get more logical every day until they die. It's like the episode of The Simpsons when Homer gets a pencil stuck in his brain, and he becomes smarter as a result. It's that basically all of these libertarians who are worried they're being censored at their billionaire run, extraordinarily conservative Republican donating companies, by the way, they all have a crayon shoved somewhere into their prefrontal cortex.

It was a crayon, not a crayon. Yeah, it was a crayon, and as a result, they don't understand that eugenics isn't popular anymore, that you shouldn't bring phrenology calipers to work, and that the word doesn't actually mean ignorant person. This guy's an engineer, though, right? Yeah. And that's all it says, so his job is basically

to make sure that the platform works, and that's pretty much it. So it's kind of, yeah. But I think the second concern is, we do this, this policing of opinion, quote unquote. I made air quotes for the benefit of the listener. So consistently, that employees are afraid to say anything when they disagree with what's around them politically. HR has told me this is not a rare concern,

and I've personally gotten over 100 messages to this effect. So people are blowing up his inbox. Your colleagues are afraid because they know that they and not their ideas will be attacked. They know all the talk of openness to different perspectives does not apply to the causes of social justice, immigration, diversity, and equality. On these issues, you can either keep quiet

or sacrifice your reputation and career. Just don't talk about this stuff. Just keep working on how to mine our personal information and sell it to the highest bidder, okay? Stick to the task at hand. All of these guys, because they're conservatives that feel incredibly aggrieved, and even social limits on their behavior are unacceptable to them.

They feel like, no, they all, and I'm so rational, all of these libs need to be educated. You know, I'm doing them a service. They just can't take criticism. Yesterday, I had the joy of being a free speech event as like the rogue left-wing panelist. Sponsors include Anne Rand Foundation. Was this the very normal battle of ideas conference?

Oh, totally, yeah. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. I've been so fascinated with this, but I saw some screenshots that Ned Donovan had put up on Twitter yesterday, and one of them was like, is me too killing romance in the office culture? And all the kind of anecdotes he was getting,

so there was like, oh, what was it? There was this one person who was just cornered Ned and was like, I think elitism is good, actually, and these are like 100 reasons why. And he was just standing on his own, like having a drink or something, right? So number one, what was the whole experience about dislike? It was very different.

I'm used to being surrounded by like-minded peers, the kinds that would inspire such a long letter. Really intelligent people like us. So yeah, exactly, they're super smart people. Some of the people on my panel were really nice, but it's a strange place. I don't think one of the weirdest things was that as soon as I got there, this guy was like,

yeah, I think at the beginning of my session, I'm just gonna just start singing the Tommy Robinson chant just for like bands, Tommy Robinson. He was just like, yeah, I just think I might open with that. And I was just like, okay. What tune is that to? I'm not sure, because I've not heard it before, actually. No, it's just for because baby give it up.

Yeah, because I hear it sometimes, sometimes when I like do any kind of counter protesting, there will be people chanting, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy Robinson, hey, Tommy. Yeah, oh, that's definitely it. He was doing the, hey. It sounds like a sitcom theme tune. Welcome back to Tommy Robinson.

Seinfeld bass line. Dilute in with four parts, water. Their whole thing was like, we like diversity of opinion. I guess the fact that you were there may be various like an argument to say it's like suggest that, but like, the impression that I got, the impression that I get as like to someone looking online and kind of the things that, the panels that are like

selectively hosted and stuff like seem to suggest that, even if there is like some diversity in opinion, like generally like, you know, there was like a panel like cultural Marxism. Yeah, not a thing. Yeah, and it's kind of like, okay, well, you know, come, I guess that I guess that I guess the thing that I'm kind of curious about is, you know,

how far dude like they kind of, because they like to champion the idea of diversity. But I sort of wonder like how genuine that is and how that like, how that attempt actually manifests. Like, you know, did you see anyone like saying something that, you know, was kind of very left leaning and people were just like booing or like, you know, shaking their heads and stuff like that.

People weren't booing. It also depends who organized. They have like a system where different individuals are responsible for panels. So mine was organized by like reasonable person who made sure there's a range of views and the whole thing was quite reasonable. I'm not used to having people not clapping when I say things,

but obviously my views weren't popular at all. There were like two rogue people like, yeah, you know, maybe like measuring like people's ethnicity and trying to get more black people at the theaters, like a good thing and like three people clap and everyone else is like- What do I always have on the caliper industry? Caliper producers are workers.

What do I have more women caliper produce? Well, that's the thing that I think that really applies to, that sort of applies to this. It's the same premise. It's this sort of this idea that like free speech means where like really, most of these free speech events wouldn't have a token lefty on them.

Most of the free speech events are a group of libertarians who are doing the Tommy Robinson chant. And that's the thing only, like I went to other panels for the rest of the day and a lot of them, it was all just right wing people. And for them, that's what it means. For them, free speech means the freedom to do, but it means the freedom to like sig hyal in the office

or whatever. It means the freedom to do whatever they want. It means the freedom to say that like, we should, you know, build the damn wall, kick out all the immigrants, family separations are good. That's what it means for them. That's what they're mourning. They're like, oh, I used to be able to just walk around

saying that, you know, like, Danny, I bet he doesn't work as hard because he's black. And now they can't say it. And they're like, damn, what an encroachment on my free speech. I used to be able to say the N word, but now I have to like be attached to a black symbiote. To be able to do it.

The black symbiote gives you a hood pass. Political correctness. Cultural Marxism. Now, here's the thing. I have no idea what this Brian Ammerich guy said. Maybe he didn't say anything, but what's clear from the fact that of what he's written is that he basically harbors beliefs that he feels

will brand him a homophobe or a racist, probably because he believes that those, probably I'm inferring here, that someone would say that if they believe that those people aren't fully human. Here's like a question that I have, like he hasn't actually said, he hasn't like, has he said in his piece that I said this

and this is the reaction that I got. No, no. So he's basically like, he's created the situation in his head, right? He's imagine that. If I say this thing, then everyone's going to pile on me. And my thinking is like, okay, so shouldn't that like be intuition,

but maybe the thing that you're saying isn't like particularly well for him. Oh yeah. He's detected a social limit on his behavior and he resents that it's there. So he quit his job. That's like the most rational thing to do, right? So in the Quillette article

that actually presented this summary, the guy who wrote it, this scopes fellow, Gideon scopes. What's his name? Yeah, it goes on. Suggesting that outsiders like Amarij and D'Amour, protesting against Silicon Valley's culture, may actually be remembered as history's path breaking geniuses.

He says, the great physicist Albert Einstein, the only smart person to be on the campaign. Formulated his theory of special relativity, not as a professor, but while working at a clerk as a Swiss patent office. In several centuries earlier, Galileo Galilei was brought before the Inquisition and sentenced to a lifetime of house arrest

for presenting the results of his research showing that are the earth revolves around the sun. Do you know about the, do you know, do you know about like various groups on Facebook that still believe that Galileo was wrong? Yeah. And I bet many of them probably quit their jobs in anchor. It's very, it's very, it's extremely funny.

It's always a break that up. But like the anti-Galileo contingent of Facebook, the extremely rational platform. Galileo had a dumb ass name. I'm going to put that out there. No, it was Buller. Because his surname was Galilei. And his parents were like, what should we call him?

Galileo. Yeah, but if he was around in 2018, he would just call himself Galileo. And like he would just have that one name. Post Galileo. Post Galileo. But right, so it's Galileo. This is basically how these guys see themselves,

is they see themselves, is that whole, this is why this sort of disruptor culture that Silicon Valley produces, is not at all progressive. It just, it's just contrarian. It's literally just contrarian. It's contrarian for the sake of it. And this is the thing like,

they actually had openly admit some of this, right? So like the spike, some of the spike people were like, yeah, we should kind of, we should, we should, we should like encourage people to kind of say provocative things just for the hell of it. Because like the notion of free, you know, the notion of unconditional free speech is the thing that, you know, matters most.

You know, so this is, he's kind of like following in that tradition, right? But then like, I still go back to like the thing that I was saying before that, this is a very peculiar thing because it's like, he hasn't even said the thing that he wants to say. Right. And he clearly wants to say this kind of like thing about,

it's perfectly reasonable to measure people's heads and public transport. Whatever point you actually, yeah. If it's for research and you shouldn't judge my hobbies, you know, don't, don't kink shame, don't kink shame on Maine. So the other thing is we can look actually at the evidence of what Silicon Valley does with this disruptor ethos that it sort of values so much.

And where everyone seems to think that they're all massively left wing, even outside the fact that they consistently donate to the Republican party, they can, they like build Trump's border wall. It's concentrated efforts of workers that stop them from building AIs for like drone programs. And the fact that like, that they are facilitating

like mass scale surveillance and data mining, working with police departments around the globe. Right. Like that's not, that's not even liberal. That's not even left is not even liberal. It's damn conservative. I mean, recently there was this story came up that Amazon created an AI program to help it,

like, you know, to analyze resumes for it. And they said, you know, everyone wanted this holy grail. They wanted it to be an engine where, you know, you give it a hundred resumes, it spits out five and we hire those people. And all it did was just massively discriminate against women. It just, if it included the word women, then it cut it out because all of all this AI,

all these algorithms have to be taught based on existing data sets. And so they're all of their mind, all of that facilitation, it just facilitates what already has existed. The idea that they're going to create any kind of like progressive utopia out in the West is utterly laughable.

Building a hiring AI to own the women. Finally, finally, those games got taken down a peg. Like having jobs women? Well, guess what, owned. Yeah, no, where Amazon is building a post-work future for women just without, and a post-money future too. As we all know, Theresa May and Donald Trump have been allowed to write all their own news coverage

for the last couple of weeks. The new minister for suicide prevention in the UK has no budget and austerity shows no signs of slowing down. And we're all going to be swallowed by a boiling sea in about 10 years. Hang on, let's be fair, Donald Trump can't write. So, de-dictated. Yeah, he is like functionally not that literate.

But today, we are going to focus on London's mayoral candidate, Sean Bailey, the Tory party's London mayoral candidate, Sean Bailey. Now, he is one of the biggest shitheads in the history of politics. Kim, can you introduce our listeners to this guy? So, Sean Bailey is ultimate lad. They've unearthed something he wrote in 2006.

Half our listeners are American. We might want to do a broader introduction. Can you speak louder and slower? Use shorter words if possible. Okay, wait, guys, just as an American, I can add some perspective here. What is a mayor? Kim, over to you.

So, Sean Bailey is the Conservative party's candidate for to be the mayor of London. And we have an election coming up in about two years. So, the current mayor, Sadiq Khan, is pretty popular. He's also an ethnic minority. So, the Conservative party thought, we better get one of those as well. The only way to be a bad guy with a minority

is a good guy with a minority. Exactly. A really weird sequel to the film Minority Report. But that was set in London for a bit of it, wasn't it? Was it? I don't know. I mean, it might have been. It was. Let's all re-watch that.

Alex Keely with the answer. Please, carry on. But Sean Bailey is Black, but unfortunately, he said some not-so-great things about Black people about 10 years ago. And some journalists from BuzzFeed have found it. And the top gems. Oh, have you got a quote?

I've got the two quotes. I have the quotes that we found. And he, well, actually, he said a lot of not-great things about Black people and Muslim and Hindu people as well. Yeah, because going for all of them. Going for everyone, you know? He's an equal opportunity free speech offender. Exactly.

Maybe he quit his job at Facebook. He's like Eminem of politics. You know, like the Kamikaze album was just like 18 destroys. He's like rhyming stuff that doesn't rhyme in this article. Turns to Steve Khan. It's like, you went to Cranbrook. That's a Muslim school. So he wrote a pamphlet in 2005.

And he says, I speak to the people who are from Brent, and they've been having Muslim and Hindi days off in school. Hindi, that's a language, not a religion. Anyway, carrying on. But what this does, what multiculturalism does, is rob Britain of its community. And without our community, we slip into a crime-riddled cesspool.

Ah, yes, taking days off to spend with your family is very anti-community. It's really awful. And you know, anytime that you like leave work early to eat because it's Ramadan, like you actually have to commit several crimes on your way back. Like you, whether it's if you have a snack, you double park. If you're going to have a full meal,

then you need to commit some minor fraud. And if you're going to eat with your family, then of course you need to load up the nearest white person into a trebuchet and then send them over the Thames. I heard that that's all in the Quran. Yeah. It's a Hiddi. It's a Hiddi.

It is. Scholars maintain. Just go to two in High Street. You'll see like all the double parking anyway. And on single mothers, now this will be a well familiar to you, Pat. On single, because you've heard this before, I'm not saying you're a single mother.

But you keep that a secret. You'll have heard this in the 1990s. In fact, Sean Bailey does a lot of reacting, digging up 1990s ideas and bringing them into the early 2000s. Yeah, he's a 90s guy. He's wearing parachute pants. You're from the 70s, but I'm a 90s mayor. So on single mothers, he says,

in some cases, they will deliberately become pregnant as they know that if they do, they get a flat. They talk to me about it openly. They tell me that becoming pregnant is an opportunity. So Cadillac Queens. This is just such warmed over garbage. It's just, you know, it's the Obama phone again or whatever. They just love this welfare queen thing.

It's the Obama phone. It's really something. Is that like the Obama phone? Oh, that was like the thing. Somebody misspoke or something, and then there was one person at one political event back in the Obama years that said, I got my Obama phone or something,

and they still talk about it. Conservatives still think that Obama was giving cell phones to basically welfare queen type people. It's really unbelievable. If you don't have a job, you should be forced to use a pay phone. It was good enough for the characters in the wire. It's good enough for you. They should have to use an Amstrad emailer.

Right. So this, but this indicates, right, that Sean Bailey thinks that due to people's culture or poor choices, poor people, especially minorities are responsible for their own lot in life. And as such, he sort of is taking up his post as Mayor, or running on a platform for Mayor of London

on the basis of gutting stuff and bringing back private markets and community and individual responsibility. Yeah. And what I find interesting, but also confusing is that the Conservative Party in the UK says that they're constantly complaining about identity politics.

There's been like eight articles over the past month saying that liberal democracy is under siege because of identity politics. But Sean Bailey is straight up saying, if you're from a certain background, you want to have a baby to get a flat. If you listen to rap music, this was another gem of his coming up soon.

He's really down with the kids when you wait till you hear the artists he's named as being the most popular. Yeah. But he believes that he pathologizes the communities he's meant to represent and basing it, distilling them down to their identity and nothing else. And the only sphere he thinks

that any of us have agency is within the economic sphere. And that's where we're failing and could do more, but we're not living up to our potential. And instead, we're taking handouts. It's very paternalistic. He also thinks working class people need rules.

That's just what we need. One loves rules. Yeah. Love needs some rules. Rules control the fun of being working class. Exactly. What would anyone do in the morning? Yeah.

Yeah. I'd get up and be like, what am I going to do today? There's no rules, I guess. No, maybe he thinks working class people are just like poorly programmed AIs that if they aren't told exactly what to do, we'll just keep walking into the same wall

over and over and over again. But I mean, the thing is like it's... People have suggested that his pick is tokenistic and the George Osborne paper has said, oh, this is vile racist abuse to suggest that Sean Bailey is a token. What is ridiculous as well is that George Osborne used to be our Chancellor of the Exchequer.

He does not have a background in journalism and yet out of nowhere got given editorial ship of a major London paper, even though he has no experience. He will see us be part of the Bullington Club, right? Yeah. We'll get it slightly up. Oh, okay.

Yeah. But what I was saying is that basically, it's the suggestion that sort of Bailey's pick is tokenistic has been called racist. Yeah. By... But Osborne's given him the front page day after day, which isn't warranted for just someone

who's a candidate for London Mayor. And front page to the abuse that he's faced. And don't get me wrong, I don't support people tweeting him abuse. But compared to Sadiq Khan and Diane Abbott and basically any other ethnic minority MP or public figure, he's got like two tweets. He doesn't deserve a front page.

And it does blur the line between legitimate criticism of selecting someone who seems to be pandering to identity and being able to criticise that and not be called a racist. And... His excuse was that, like, I wrote him along to... His excuse was that I wrote it a long time ago when he was 34 years old. And his thing was like, oh, you know, I was making comments

like the single mother's one, because like I was a social worker based out in Ladbrook Grove and no one was writing about Ladbrook Grove at the time, which like number one, I'm pretty sure like Zadie Smith was writing not about Ladbrook Grove, but about like areas that were pretty similar to it. And also all the kind of like themes around kind of, you know, parenthood and, you know, being kind of second generation immigrant,

like poor immigrants and stuff, right? So it was being written about and it was being written about in like a much smarter and much more nuanced way, right? And second, like you're 30, you know, if you're like in your 30s and he's got like kids at this time as well, right? There's got to be like some sort of like at least like self-awareness about like these are comments that like number one, they've never really matched up to reality, right?

And number two, like even if you sincerely believe that stuff, you're running for like political office. And it's just like really busy, you know, and I'm pretty sure that he knew this, you know, because he seems like someone who was like very ambitious, like someone who kind of wanted to be involved in politics, but lacks like the self-awareness of, you know, this is how you kind of present these really bad points,

at least like in a slightly more palatable way. And at least using some kind of evidence, like once again, that apparently identity politics and anecdotal evidence and the personal is political are meant to be the antithesis of small sea conservatism. Yet his whole pamphlet, there's no references to research. He hasn't even interviewed people on the estates to ask them about their views.

It's just his opinion, the whole thing is his opinion. And he hasn't distanced himself from it now. He hasn't said, do you know what, 10 years ago, I did think that, but now I've moved forward. I've done more learning. I've read more. And I know that this isn't the truth. And I'm going to implement these policies when I'm there

to help single mothers to try and reduce crime. And I'm sorry about the Muslim stuff I said. So none of that has happened. Who's still in a pre-walk period in 2018? That's a lot of people actually. Everyone who writes the Kuala Lumpur. Oh, right. I forgot about everything. It's not just us guys.

You should stop living in your political bubble. Yeah, maybe I should go up. Maybe I should leave my political moment. There's a country off the coast of Indonesia. Listen to a few more. So I've got a piece by, well, we've got sort of two pieces from Mr. Bailey, from one from 2006 and one from 2011 that we run through

to see how we're going to, how his views have evolved. They haven't evolved a little bit. So the first one is called The Malign World of Gangsta Rap by Sean Bailey for the Daily Mail in 2006. Huge. 2006 when... It was a big time.

I think n-dubs were big. Oh, yeah. I'm not in pre-n-dubs actually. No, it wasn't pre-n-dubs. I feel like peak n-dubs. Yeah, it could have been peak n-dubs. So this is... Before Dappy went off the road.

So-called Gangsta Rap glorifies violence, even murder, and Radio One, a station funded by the license payer, should not be paid playing it. You should only play the Bradley Walsh Christmas album. The only appropriate music. Aggressively violent lyrics by the likes of 50 Cent, Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre. He's not even a real dog.

Or a real doctor. Oh, my God. He's like, this guy's the Herman Cain. He's Herman Cain. Oh, my God. Do have an impact on young people. And I think deep down, the powers that be at the BBC know that. And yet they do nothing frozen by their earnest middle-class,

middle-aged, accusing people of being middle-aged, while saying 50 Cent is the most popular rapper in 2006, desire to be fashionable and in touch with what's happening, quote-unquote, on the street. Yes. So, this is a conservative guy claiming that other people are on hip. Is that what's going on? Yes, precisely.

Yeah. He's claiming that. Okay. Yeah, good. Well, that's good. I mean, he's got like the, they all have like Benjamin Button, like these guys. Like they have like the soul of like an 80-year-old man

in the body of, what is this guy? Like 45 now? Oh, he's 45 now. He wrote this article in 2006. So he would have been in his mid-30s. This is around when he was making the sort of anti-Muslim, anti-Hindu, anti-single mother's comments.

He was believing that Snoop Dogg was a popular, yet violent gangster rapper. That's what's really, maybe he should have put the anti-Muslim comments into a rap, and then he could have sort of said, oh yeah. Well, like Sean Bailey, Sharia Diss track. So who is Snoop Lion? He's Snoop Lion now, I think.

He's gone back to the top. Has he? Okay. But this isn't the Snoop Lion era. No, no, he's pretty. According to Complex, the most popular rapper in 2006 was in fact, Lupe Fiasco. That was a big album. It was like with T.I. being second.

That's not as well. Ghostface killer being third. Killer Mike, pre-Run the Jaws. Oh yeah. And Naz being fifth. So 50 Cent isn't even in the band. As Sean will tell you, the real hip people are listening to Bobby Whiz and the Skiffle Diddles.

This is absolutely a guy who is convinced that a guy in a purple suit with a big feather in his head is going to be the person to commit some crimes. And the most popular British rapper in 2006 is Lady Sovereign. I'm English trying to port me. That's the best line. Yeah, she wouldn't say that now, would she? Please don't deport me and my grandparents.

I realize I should have much documentation to prove it. So if you're a listener, if you're a listener, at Sean Bailey, Call Him a Fam, Saver in 2006, the most popular rapper was in fact, Lady Sovereign. The thing is, he's saying basically in this article that by listening to, I guess, Golden Oldies of Rap in 2006, that young hip young people were going to be inspired to commit violence.

But just yesterday, there was an actual fascist street riot in London by a group called the Democratic Football Lads Alliance, which for the benefit of Patty is our version of the Proud Boys. And they all love Oasis. Okay. That is literally like what an American ship poster would make up as the name of Frigid,

the Democratic Football Lads. Yeah, that's like the, I forget whose tweet it was, but it's like, hey, American politics is crazy. Anyway, I have to go to one of my racist soccer rallies. It sounds like one of the names like a Russian bot would use to create a fake. Yes, Democratic Football Lads Alliance. And this is how I take down the list.

Like after one viewing of Green Street Hooligans. To be fair, to be fair to the Russian racist soccer hooligans, they're the most consistent in their beliefs because there was, so Hulk for a while used to play, he's like mixed race, I think. He's a Brazilian football player. And he played for Zenith St. Petersburg. I'm pretty sure this is the pair I have to.

We don't have to, but, and he was basically their best player. Like he was the reason they were like winning the league and their fans were like still like throwing bananas and shit. I'm like, that's commitment. Like your team's winning because of this player and you're still like, you know what? I'm sticking to my principle. It's not really, it used to be about the football.

Now it's just about the racism. But he says, for a long time, rap was the nearest thing and the average young black person got to politics. This was our music and it spoke to us. And then about 10 years ago, rap started to change with a new generation of rappers emerging from the housing projects and trailer parks of the U.S. And their eyes, gangster rappers are in the eyes

of the youth rather. Gangster rappers are simply the coolest guys on the planet. Now, wait, so is he talking about Kid Rock? Sorry, Senator Kid Rock to you. Sure. So Bailey's the kind of guy who I imagine would probably listen to Kid Rock and like Tim McGraw. Yeah, Tim McGraw.

We can't have these children hearing this message and learning that when it's your birthday, you go to the club and have a bottle full of Bob on your birthday. Like that's the thing. It's like, if you're thinking that like, like British, like British, like British, like, like black kids are being influenced by like the music

that's actually being played. It's like, they wouldn't have any time to commit any crimes. They only have 21 seconds. I mean, I mean, these were, these were the same people who, you know, 60 years ago were saying that Rock Around the Clock was too suggestive, right? I mean, this never ends. Absolutely.

It's the culture was always perfect just before now. It's just that Sean Bailey doesn't seem to be able to understand, yeah, doesn't seem to be able to understand what's going on at the time. Like if you're listening, like in 2005, it was like, like T.I. Lupe Villasco, T.Pay. It was just guys singing about going to the club. And a bit of skateboarding.

T.I. was offering his girlfriend whatever she likes. Isn't that what he's saying? No, this was before that. This was before that. This was before he even like offered that. Like, so the T.I. song that was number one in 2006 was What You Know, which is basically a song in which T.I. basically says, but I have lots of money

and I keep it all in like a Louis Vuitton rucksack because my love, because the other one, because the other one got stolen. So I had to buy a new one. So he's a victim of crime. Exactly. Yeah. This is a great message for the kids, really.

And he doesn't trust the banks. Foresight. Yeah. Yeah. Very true. Yeah, 2006. So, so I've got one, I've got another sort of couple of sentences that may like, this may be a suicide note

because it might melt our brains. Here is what he continues to write. Forget David Beckham and Wayne Rooney. As far as the average urban male teenager is concerned, the worldwide king of cool is Curtis James Jackson, the third, AKA 50 Cent. Not only has he been sold 25 million albums and made a film, but he's been shot nine times.

How cool is that? No, he got shot at nine times. So every time, when he was like popular, right? So when Eminem like first like helped him like produce his first album and he had all these interviews, like I remember like there were these kind of Saturday morning music shows like SM TV or something like that. And they'd like bring him on and they'd be like,

so, so, so you were in Canada. You were like, I was still listening to grind. You were in Canada texting like, what's it called? Babe station. Person station, please. Sorry. Right. So they were like, you know, Mr. 50 Cent,

you were like, you were shot at, you were shot nine times. He goes, nah, man, I was shot at nine times. I was, he was shot four times. Right. Oh, that's what's like less than half is cool. I just, I just found it funny that like the label that he was on was trying to emphasize this fact that he was this gangster rapper that got shot nine times.

And every one time, time someone brought it up, he'll be like, no, I got shot at nine times. Yeah. I got shot four times. Also, this is a cool misconception. I just, let's clarify. Sorry. Actually it's 50 cents monster.

The best part of that quote is the very last bit of it where like, you didn't get that far before Hussain interrupted you. Which is what? He says, he's been shot nine times. How cool is that? Of course it isn't cool at all. And I should know. Right.

But it's also like, come on. Like it's forget David Beckham and Wayne Rooney. The worldwide K of cool is 50 cents. Famed rappers. This guy like went into hypersleep for 10. 10 years or something before writing this. Oh, it's so good. Like I just imagined like Sean Bailey is basically a guy in a gown and a night cap

leaning out of the window of city hall going, will you kids keep it down out there? Some of us are trying to read books. Some of us are trying to read Albert Einstein, the smartest man in the world. Forget Larry Bird and Michael Jordan to kids these days. America's king of cool is Orinthal James Simpson. Otherwise, he's been in hypersleep for a while. These kids worship the big bopper and drink milkshakes all night

when they should be studying for their phrenology exams. I'm so, I'm worried that my kid is getting involved with a doo-wop group and has been listening to too much of the Glenn Miller light orchestra. In the mood for sex. In this house, we all listen to the haircut's version of Shaboom, not the cords. Look, I only, I only listen to those hobo ditties like the big rock candy mountain for the beats. I don't care about the lyrics.

He says, I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want any daughter of mine answering to the name of bitch. We shouldn't have called her bitch then. Really short-sighted. She has to go by middle name. And if DJs like Tim Westwood are reluctant to remove the offensive tracks of these players, then the bosses should consider removing him from their Saturday night schedule. Wait, wait, wait, no, wait.

So he's going into a moral panic about Tim Westwood, the man who is literally the son of a bishop. The actual whitest man who has ever lived. But have you seen Pimp My Ride UK? Oh, yeah. It was always like really funny because in America, it was just like really like, everything was overhyped, right? And like the cars were just like, the cars were already big and then what is bigger?

Whereas like in the UK, it's like, oh, we've got this like Honda Civic. The extent that like pimping went was like, it gave it like a slightly like brighter color. And it was like, yeah, we put a TV in your boot. I remember like there was one episode where it was like, yeah, we put a TV in your boot so you can like watch your video, you know, all that stuff. And the guy was like, I don't know what I'd watch TV in the boot. Yo, dog, we heard that you like football and democratic lads and racism. So we put a racism in your football so you can football while you racism.

That's a very old school meme. Here's the wonderful thing. After all, there is an awful lot of great rap music out there that can take its place. Oh no, does he give examples? I wish he did. But like he means, he means Will Smith. Yeah, he means that song with going to Miami or how parents just don't understand. He means Will Smith.

He means Limp Biscuit. Yeah, he means clean rap like Kid Rock. He means Weird Al Parodies. He means like the little rap that Nelly does in the Tim McGraw and Nelly song. Come on, you've got to know this. So Tim McGraw and Nelly did a song, right? And like something- It's called Over and Over.

Yeah, it's this really bizarre song. And then like somewhere like three quarters to way through as like Tim McGraw is like sad about something, like Nelly just starts rapping. Is that why Tim McGraw is sad? Nelly came into a song and rapped over it. Put the video of the track with the episode. Yeah, Nate dropped that in. But here's the thing.

He then goes on to, Sean Bailey says, such an act of course wouldn't be considered censorship. It would simply be a belated admission by the publicly funded BBC that this particular form of rap is dangerous, destructive and demeaning and should not be broadcast to the licensed payer's expense. Hiya, more DJ Jazzy Jeff. It's not censorship for some reason. I wonder if like before the mayoral race and there's like two years left.

Yeah, two years. In theory, if he goes on for two years, I don't see it happening, but if he does, at some point he will like make some type of comment about like six, nine. No, no, no, that's going to be in 10 years from now. Right. He's going to discover SoundCloud rap in 10 years. The most popular sex position. This guy, what's going to happen is Sean Bailey in 20 years,

he's going to post to like the core mind or whatever version of Twitter we're all on. Like, hey, you hear about this post Malone fellow? Hey, everybody, TFWN, huh? So where is he now? He's like, well, usually 10 years behind the times, 2008. He hasn't quite discovered, can I have a cheeseburger yet? No, yeah, no, he's getting that. He's getting to lawlpats now.

Elon Musk is cooler than this guy. Yeah, he's, yeah. Elon Musk is cooler than him. Elon Musk has been listening to end-ups for years. So we're going a bit long, but there's one more I want to dip into. This is a much shorter article and this is an update. This was written in 2011 after the London riots had taken place. Uh, here's how he begins this article and it's published in the notionally sort of

leftist guardian, which always fails to actually live up to this idea. Ahem. Word up kids. Oh, no, he was sitting backwards on a chair when he wrote this for sure. Smashing up your neighbor's business or setting fire to someone's home is pure criminality and throwing bricks at the police is not okay. Is this a Will Smith rap? Ah, yeah. The thrill of being part of the crowd is, I believe,

why and how most young people got involved in the London riots. Now, um, the running paint trust has some ideas about the London riots. If you look at any set of riots in the UK, um, 1981, if you look at the Tostat riots, if you look at the Railton Road riots, if you look at the Tottenham most recent riots, there's always, um, a disintegration of the relationship between the black community and the police, um, an austerity program and a recession, um, and normally the closure of youth services. None of that has been mentioned from supposed expert in youth and crime, um, Sean Bailey. None of that is.

Have you done any analysis into the correlation between that and how many times 50 cents as hoe in a given year? Do you know what I have? And I might put that proposal at work tomorrow. I'm just going to be like, I think we've missed a trick here. So here is here. So that is, this is, this is the running me trust sort of, uh, theory of why this happened. Here's Sean Bailey's theory. How do I know this? The riots have sprung up in seemingly random places and certain brands have been targeted. Young people have been looting the shops. They like JD phones and mobile JD sports and mobile

phone shops have been hit. Yet waterstones bookshop has been left alone. So what we have is basically a, a, an article version of, Hey, I haven't seen you at the nightclub. Oh, interesting. I haven't seen you at the library. Coincidentally, that's, that's what I use whenever, you know, whenever you're being targeted by the police, like, Hey, I haven't seen you at the police at the library officer. How is this man a real person? Go read safiens.

How many y'all reading sapiens? It's like, it's like, it's, it's how many y'all, how many you read in sapiens? You know, actually, do you watch Game of Thrones, prestige TV is the new movies? Oh, he's going to get really into prestige TV by the time he's actually running. Have you heard of this show, Game of Thrones, by the time he's running for mayor? How many y'all heard of prison break? When a, when a film comes out that people are encouraging to see Sean Bailey has to wait, well, because he has to wait for the novelization of the film to come out. Because that's the only smart way to enjoy it.

For me, the deepest issue here at play is one of responsibility. Can we blame the state when parents have been allowed to abdicate responsibility for the behavior of their children? We watched previous governments talk up rights for young people with no mention of responsibilities, and we've allowed our welfare system to prop up their immoral lifestyles. Great rights come great responsibility. We have not taught all our young people that an entitlement culture is morally wrong, editor's note, for some reason. And we have paid the price for this liberalism. Now we need to collectively grow up and take some responsibility.

Responsibility of what? The Conservative Party, and in this case, Sean Bailey, love to talk about responsibilities, but they have taken absolutely no responsibility about how their own policy have impacted people's lives. So their austerity policy has clearly impacted, in fact, BME, Black and Minority Ethnic, single mothers, they've lost the most over the past 10 years from austerity measures, equal to about 8,000 to 11,000 pounds per year because of cuts to public services. So if they really want to, if they want young people to have agency to change their lives and be able to resist the mauls of the rap music of 50 cent, which if they don't want young people to be influenced by the very aspirational 50 cent,

he's like first album was literally all about how he left crime and used music to buy like a really nice house. Yeah, they love 50 cent. He's a water entrepreneur. He started his own business. Look at him now. He's an inspiration to the youth. Buy your whole family houses. Sorry, I just remember DJ Khaled. Oh yeah. Buy your mama house. All of these rappers that Sean Bailey is talking about, all talk about personal responsibility and being kind to your family and community on Instagram. Like Jordan Peterson gets all the credit for it.

Now Sean Bailey would like DJ Khaled definitely because DJ Khaled is always just saying utter nonsense. It's multicultural. It's race music. No, but crucially DJ Khaled is not cool in any way, which will be like definitely in the bar. Oh, fuck DJ Khaled. Yeah, we've all just had a moment there just remembering about DJ Khaled. Another one. Pouring one out for our boy. Pouring out some apples to rock for our boy. And another one. Another one. They don't want you reading books. They want a bit Jersey mob there. They don't want you reading sapiens. And of course, water. Get that knowledge. Get that knowledge. Flowers.

But seriously, other than obviously aspiring to take care of your family and start a business like our rap idols, if the government wants young people to take responsibility, if they want parents to be able to support their children and keep them away from writing in the streets or at least getting them to riot from a water stones if they're going to steal from anywhere. Exactly. Maxing out your your your instead reading sapiens over and over again. Man stealing a copy of it. Eat, pray, love. I got Catherine Hepburn's me. I got 12 rules for life. I got the novelization of Jurassic Park to the missing piece by Shell Silverstein

Being Jordan by Katie Price. Oh, yeah. We keep derailing this by talking about funny books. Well, Jordan forgot about her. Yeah. Do you know she got arrested? She got arrested for like drug driving on the street near my house in a pink four by four. We're listening to too much rap music. Yeah, you know what that does. But the government doesn't have a coherent policy. They want young people to take responsibility for their lives, but they also say that they need rules and are very paternalistic and pathologize them. And it's not really clear what they want from any of us. They use anecdotal

evidence instead of research. And they've taken away support from young parents. They're not supporting people working on shifts. So if they really want people to, they've closed down youth clubs in most of these areas. So if Sean Bailey really wants to be London Mayor, if he's serious about it, getting us to stop listening to rap music isn't going to change anything. But he could actually implement policies that could help these families. And I've not heard him say anything to indicate that he's going to help change those people's lives. He just talks about them in a negative way. It's almost as though he doesn't actually care. I couldn't possibly comment on that. It's almost as though it's a huge smoke screen for the fact that he just has incredibly

regressive views. Okay, any final thoughts from our panel from New York? Yeah, I mean, you know, it's nice to have, to know that it's going on on both sides of the pond where we have these guys who pretend to be hip to the youth and really care what's going on. And then just immediately dismiss everything else and just say, anyway, what you really should do is vote conservative and that'll take care of your problems. Just be an amazing exceptional person with no sort of safety net or anything from our government. And just assume you'll be rich. It's fine. You know, be an aspirational millionaire. That's worked out for everybody in history. They always use the word exceptional. Like everyone has to be exceptional. And it's like

it's like, yeah, it's like, you have to overcome the odds and rise out of your circumstances as though the people left behind are just part of the terrain. Dinchel and Bailey, he promoted that story from the evening standards. Our favorite newspaper about the kids who was so desperate to become rich that he, we watch this like business show in America. Oh yeah. And then he just started knocking on doors. Kensington and Chelsea and he was knocking on people's doors and he was basically like asking them, like, how did you get rich? Right? So you go into the most expensive neighborhood in London and ask for stuff and like the stuff they were telling him apparently,

according to the article, like, you just have to work hard and go to college every day. And you know, you know, and stay focused and you'll be successful and you'll be able to buy a house like this. I mean, he happens like knock on the door of like someone who works at BlackRock. You know, famously good back. BlackRock who was like, who offered him an internship and then like, you know, he got a job and stuff like that. So Sean Bailey was like, oh yeah, what an exceptional and outstanding person. We need more young people like him, like completely missing the point. But like, number one, everyone in that neighborhood was like feeding in bullshit, right? And number two, and you should not have to like be knocking on people's doors,

like asking them why they're like so much wealth, why they live in like these fucking massive houses in London when you're like living in like a council estate with like your mom and sister, you know, and your kids, despite the fact that your mom works like night shifts. Number three, it's also like the definition of exceptional is that it's not the norm, right? So like everyone can't be exceptional because by definition, that's not, I don't know, whatever. Libertarians keep saying, well, you know what it is, if it's and it's a, that's number one and two. Number three is he got his job at BlackRock, not because he studied hard and went to college every day, but because he made friends with the guy who's the head of BlackRock by knocking on

his door and wearing a cool suit. Right? Like, so all of the other advice, all the stuff that the personal responsibility stuff that Sean Bailey is talking about was all disproven by the fact that we actually saw nepotism in action because he got a job from making friends with the guy. It wasn't working hard or taking responsibility, it was luck. They were like, but hey, son, just tell me, you don't listen to any of that rap music. Oh boy. All right. I think we've gone on for an enormous amount of time. Nate's gonna kill us. I've been listening to too much rap music. This has been, it's been a very fun, a very fun sold guys. Thank you very much for coming on and dialing in. I actually feel less hungover

than at the start. It's great. Damn. Damn. Maybe we should patent trash future and sell it as a miracle cure for hangovers. See what an hour and a half without listening to the satanic music of vanilla ice. I for one will be walking back home listening to twisted transistor by corn featuring Snoop Dogg exhibit. Um, and there was another rapper on there as well. It wasn't 50 cent. Yeah. He was too busy selling water. I can't wait till Sean Bailey. Like it, whatever year 50 cent got into vitamin water, I can't wait till like it's 10. It's 10 years after that year. So Sean Bailey can realize that. All the kids are doing vitamins now. He's definitely got like a weird 10 year Memento disease, right? Anyway,

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be, it's going to be great. It's free to get in. It's also at the Sechford, right? It's also at the Sechford. Yeah. It's good. It's good standup comedy. Yeah. Come to it, please. Um, and you guys anything shameless plug? Yeah. This is the shameful plugs. If you want to cover your head so God can't see you. Oh yeah. That is true. I don't want to go to hell and everything. So, um, not really. I'll just plug my Twitter. Is that a thing you can do? Okay. Um, my Twitter, I'm going to spell it Macintosh. It's a hard name description. Okay. Then just cut that. Follow Kimberly on Twitter or Twitter is in the description. Yeah. Uh, Pat, you got anything coming up? Where'd you go? I don't really care. So I'll put a cloth over my head like I'm going to eat

Oralon behind myself. And uh, no, I, I don't know. I mean, yeah, you said at the beginning, I have a podcast, what a time to be alive. Uh, we're having fun doing that. So myself, Eli Yudin, Kath Barbadoro. Uh, check it out. I guess that's easy enough. Yeah. Brilliant. And as always, you can commodify your descent with a teacher from little comrade. Um, you can get, and there are a couple of pre-made ones, but we suggest you go for custom text. You can put anything you want on there and Edie will print it within reason dogs. Not even a real dog, for example. For example, you could put in some of your favorite, uh, rap lyrics from 2006 superstar 50 cent. What was 50 cent doing in 2006? Get it put on a shirt with our branding on the back.

He was in the club. Yeah. He was in the club, not in the library actually. He was on a treadmill. He wasn't even in a club. He was on a treadmill. He was exercising. I believe he was both on a treadmill and at the club. And finally, um, our theme song from the first half of this episode was always is provided by Jinseng. You can find on Spotify. It's called here we go. It's extremely good, but I think I'm going to ask Nate to put in double up by kid boo as our end theme song. What is that kid boo? Come on the show. Yeah. Kid boo. Come on the show, please. I want to talk about the time that you put on like a demon mask and flamethrower to pig on Instagram live. Anyway, yeah. Uh, anyway, Kimberly, Patty, thank you very much for coming

on the show. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having us. It's been a lovely time. Good night. Everyone. Goodbye and don't listen to the static music of vanilla ice. No, that bitch is like it's up.