TRASHFUTURE - All Aboard the Neo-Marcuse Express

Episode Date: October 3, 2023

A company that claims to be able to read your mind for your boss? An article speculating as to which member of the Frankfurt School inspired HS2? News about Jan Marsalek? Riley, Hussein, and Milo explore them all! If you want access to our Patreon bonus episodes, early releases of free episodes, and powerful Discord server, sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/trashfuture  *STREAM ALERT* Check out our Twitch stream, which airs 9-11 pm UK time every Monday and Thursday, at the following link: https://www.twitch.tv/trashfuturepodcast *WEB DESIGN ALERT* Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here: https://www.tomallen.media/ *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s upcoming live shows here: https://www.miloedwards.co.uk/live-shows Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and Alice (@AliceAvizandum)

Hello, hello everybody and welcome to this free episode of T.F. We are Sans cans today. Sans cans. Not a headphone inside. There are two cans. There are two of us drinking from cans. Yeah, yeah, we're on the cans. Not a headphone inside. There are two cans. There are two of us drinking from cans. Yeah, yeah.

We're on the cans. We're on the cans of Pepsi Macs. I'm not because I'm a professional. I would never agree on a straight edge. I gotta say straight edge to get to these notes. No caffeine, no spot A. Dying a Coke guy. That's right.

That's right. Yeah. We are also, we are Sans Alice today. We are. She is at the end of her holiday. Milo, you've just been on holiday. But also, I would like to welcome the newest member of the podcast, an old Argentinian man who just moved here and says he fought in the second world war.

Oh, yeah. I think we should honor him immediately without asking any more questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. A hundred present. This is what we'll never go. And he's a doctor. Yeah, he's a doctor.

Yeah, it's guys, Joseph, Joseph Mangle. Yeah, that's right. Welcome to the Inventor of the Clothing Mangle. Yes, that's right. We are, we're going to stand up. If I were going to stand up, we're going to applaud him. And I'm shaking my head for no reason. Yeah, well, that's the thing, though, right,

is the Canadian parliament obviously did not shake its head. To show that it disapproved. To show that they disagreed with me. Well, that would have been rude, eh? With the actions of... Guy stands up, you gotta clap him, that's the rules. Yeah, that's Canada. Of course, they would not have shaken their head

to show they disagreed with Yaroslav Hunka, who was recently fetid in Canadian parliament. The inventor of the Shisha pipe. Yeah. Who was fetid in Canadian parliament. Would he smell bad? He's very old. He was a World War II veteran, probably. He was a World War II veteran, probably. For his fighting against the Russians on the side of the Ukrainians in 1943. Okay. That seems reasonable. No need to look into that. I saw a very funny tweet about this, where someone was like, it's just amusing how instinctually

Canadian members of parliament stood up and applauded someone on the basis that they fought against the Russians during World War II, suggesting that's understanding of World War II might be a little bit shaky. Yeah, you know, when the Germans and the Russians teamed up to fight against free, I swear to God, that is most of, most especially Canadian politicians. Yeah. RIP-Bottleman, but where we sort of said, hey, a lot of demobilized SS guys, especially from the 14th Galicia in division, are just moved to Canada in the 1950s, mainly by the owners of

like the Sudbury Nickel mine. Oh, right. Yeah. My, you used to put it in. Well, they have a giant nickel. Yeah. Yeah. You know, all about Sudbury with the giant nickel. I do. And you know, it's just like this was going to happen.

This was absolutely going to happen. One of the five guys who is still alive. The Burger Chain. That's where they're in the Burger Chain. In the Nazi Burger Chain. Legally, we cannot say the five guys is a Nazi Burger Chain. Okay, these guys, this SS division, a lot of them were moved to Canada

by mining interests in the 1950s, two break strikes. But they were in like the good SS, right? You know, like the S, like the cool like you know, the cool ass. Yeah, yeah, the cool asses. The the super serious about a free Ukraine, that's what it stood for. They certainly didn't commit any atrocities of any kind, I presume. Oh, no, that happens. No. that would be the regular SS. Yeah, this is though. There was no Operation Maple Clip that would have brought, you know, Operation Maple Clip. Thank you.

I think that's from Bottleman. This is just all Bottleman. Come here. If you want to talk about my podcast with Dan Beckner, I really do miss doing it. I like that the Canadian Operation, like, because Operation Paper Cl clip, you know Morals aside it served a purpose. They were like, oh, we need a lot of expertise

We don't want this expertise to fall into the hands of someone else So we're gonna these guys may have been Nazis We're gonna bring them over because of these projects that they are uniquely qualified to assist us with But where is the ostrich the Canadian one was just like we need some really right wing guys We just need some guys who need some really right wing guys. We just need some guys who are like, more right wing than anyone we have. Like, they don't have any particular skills.

Oh, heavens no, they don't know how to do anything other than just hate the Jews. That is their prime, anything. So he's like, yeah, Venerable Braun was not brought over in 1950, as probably a demobilized SS unit to break a strike at a nickel mine. He was brought over in spite of his politics,

whereas the members of the SS released the division were brought over directly because of that politics. But that's because of their politics, they're back. Yeah, amazing. And this is obviously not to say, you know, that, well, therefore that indites Ukraine as like a country full of Nazis, like, no,

but the fact that it just comes back to, I think, Western generally, and especially Canadian in particular, I'd say credulity that there is just a black white, black and white, good guys, bad guys situation here that runs through all of history. You've really got a differentiate between the bad SS and the cool symbol SS. That's right. Well, the cool S and the bad S, we need to like figure out a better way of differentiating those two.

Due to the geopolitical circumstances of Ukrainian nationalism as a concept, it does have a difficult history with Nazism. But yeah, it's not all Nazi, but some of it is. And you've got to be, you've got to closely look at it to make sure you're not accidentally endorsing the Nazi bit. But it's just, it to me, it is hard to imagine, right, that knowing what I know about Kristia Freeland, who was going to Ukrainian nationalist summer camps when she was in like

a teenager and stuff, like who's grandfather edited the Krakowsti Vyste in Poland, the Nazi newspaper, right? It's hard for me to believe that she would not have known that Yaroslav Hunkak was a demobilized SS member. Yeah. Her father actually recently distanced himself from Lawrence Fox. So I published one article. So just to just to note, you know, the in addition to the Canadian Canadian real estate bubble now getting so bad that property is 40% of the Canadian GDP. To say, yeah, that we said in in bottom and Dan and I, it will not be long before a demobilized SS fight fighter is brought up in front of Canadian parliament and applauded by liberals

who don't know or don't care. Amazing that the defunct bottom and bottom and lathe still hums with power. There's a little bit left over in it. Yeah. The last boss will map. That's right. He can now safely pop his top. Yeah, I was the Canadian member of Parliament

who did shake his head to show that he disagreed with it. That's right, but the camera wasn't placed on me. Just because you hate veterans. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, anti-veterans of all kinds. I'm anti-old people. I'm anti-veterans. Did the guy spill a yoga on himself afterwards?

That would have been fun if you did. It would have been fun little reference. But that was just a little, you know, a little Amuse Boosh, we got some more news, we got Startup, we got Article. The classic setup, your free course meal. Yeah, a delicious three course meal, and that was the Amuse Boosh.

That was the little shot glass full of like tomato jelly with like a basil air What's and you listen and maybe asking what is the charge? So I want to now bring it back to a friend of ours. Oh a very wait the guy from Argentina No, so the guy from Argentina his Mike's broken he won't be saying much, but I'll expect him on subsequent episodes As of course, Yon Marseilleck, uh, dialing in from the barrel. Uh, he's, he's back. Now, I don't want to be in contempt of court.

And some of this I translated from a German article. So what I'm going to say is also corroborated in British press. Okay. Just know there is more to this that I can't say. There's more to this. You got to think outside the barrel if you want to find out what else is going on. So remember how Jan Marseilleck had his friend

who was like, hey, do you want a cool spy phone? The Bulgarian guy Mr. Rusev? Well, apparently Mr. Rusev has gotten bigger. And he's been working out. He and four pals have been arrested. Wait, so there's five guys. The five guys. These are the five guys.

Yeah. Bulgarian burger chain. Yeah. This is they've been a, they've been a governor of a golf. Well, operating in the UK as like a ring targeting, like targeting people on behalf of the Russian government. Okay. Three men, two women and they, so Rusev, they have the main guy, or ledge to be the main

guy, was ledge to have organized and managed their this like group of five and like South Ampton spying operations from the UK. Another friend of his Mr. Stoyanov was mostly an amateur mixed martial arts fighter who fights in the UK. Amazing. And Red string hit. How many degrees of separation

are we from Andrew Tate right now? Oh, probably Mr. Stoyanov from his gym in Luton. Another. The best place before I can get in the UK, so I'm told. Vanya Gabarova runs a hardly never, yeah. Runs a beauty salon in West London called Pretty Woman. Okay. And so yeah, basically from the set of people just do nothing.

Right, okay, yeah, perfect. Yeah, they yeah, perfect. Yeah. They all, him, they are all alleged, oh, by the way, it's in the reporting in the BBC, it's like, oh yeah, by the way, she received a 10,000 pound COVID loan for the British government, perfect, which is fun. Who didn't, and this extended you to investigate?

Everyone did, I don't even think that's bad. Like, I think everyone should get those. I just think it's really funny. It's like, she was like, well, yeah, I've got for my nail business. And then we go to give her the Bulgarian spies. It's hard times for them right now. And what they did was they,

is the police have found forged documents, press cars and clothes, the inscriptions of the Discovery Channel. So they were alleged to be going around, dressed up as the Discovery Channel impersonating the discovery channel, making documentaries, but like of presumably critical national infrastructure. I don't know what Yeah, we're doing a national National Geographic, National Geographic thing. Wasn't it the

discovery channel? Yeah, sorry. Yeah, we're doing a national geographic as well. They had press cards. We're doing a Discovery Channel piece about the inside of MI6 and the guys on the gate are like, well, we have to let you in. It's educational. I suppose there are some ancient aliens too. Maybe. Yeah. So, in the five defendants are being accused of being part of a conspiracy with a person known as Jan Marcellac.

That's so funny. Who I must now add is not being charged. Right, okay. A person known as Jan Marcellac is such a tip of the iceberg sentence. Is this like, is this even known? What's the next case going to be like, he's going to kind of refer to himself as like FKA, like Jan Marcellac.

He's been seen out with Matti, Lee from the 1975. So this, basically, the, from what, as long as we've been talking about Jan Marseille, we've been wondering like, what is this guy? What makes him tick? It's very, it's been very clear from the outset that this is a guy who was really, really fond of being a spy, but in a way that made him terrible at being a spy.

Oh yeah, classic. Which I can only then conclude is that again, he is not being charged in the case, but if he, if they were, if these five were working for a person known as Jan Marseilleck, he seems to be taking on a kind of four lions, energy of just recruiting a lady from a who owns a beauty salon, West London in a mixed martial arts fighter. He's too stupid to be a spy. That seems to be the underlying current of most things we learn about Jan Marseilleck. It's like, they're not even charging him because they're like,

this man is so incompetent that he's actually not managed to do anything illegal. It's a obviously we won't know what he actually did. But and again, the people he defrauded were mostly German investors and you know, the he got the protection of the German government. But that says much more of the about the credulity of the German government that it was so transparently fucked up. Yeah, yeah. But now, you know, the five Bulgarian lions here, again, were penetrated, well, like giving

him a fucking, you know, fancy phone. That doesn't even do anything cool. Perfect. Yeah, which is like really secure. But like, something I think honestly has gone quite wrong in Germany ever since energy stopped being cheap. Like there's something rotten in Germany. Well, there's this, yeah, the first time.

Yeah. But there's, I know this isn't, I didn't put this in the notes, but there's just been something that's been like on my mind recently, the last few days, which is I read in the FT that the German Bundesbank has hired Boston Consulting Group to try and turn it into a more like lean and commercially focused organization.

Oh boy. It's hard enough to take something called the Bundesbank seriously, but especially when it's brought in management consultant. The government shouldn't be bringing in management consultants. I know the British government does this a lot, which is yet another reason why I don't take the British government seriously. So what they said basically is that the consultants who are working at the Bundesbank have zero knowledge of central banking, and so all of the staff have to explain everything to them.

Right. But then once they've taken on that information, they'll use their magical private sector wizardry to revolutionize the Bundesbank. Of course. Well, they said, BCG said one insider, quote, in the FT, does not have a clue how a central bank works and what its legal duties are.

They've compared the work on monetary policy to a car making production line, which is complete nonsense. Amazing, okay, perfect. Well, it's because they're gonna do just in time interest rate adjustments. Yeah, well, everyone gets a custom interest rate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're introducing Japanese management terminology

into the Bundesbank. You're gonna be doing Kaisen Blitz. No, not the kind of Blitz you're used to. You, you kind of. When you last word, I'll write with the Japanese, not that kind either. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no and digital organization that needs to respond swiftly to complex and evolving challenges. But I really, it's already digital. It's Germany. Yeah, but there. Now everything's on paper in Germany still. Oh, okay. Yeah, they make all the precision machines that machine the parts to make the other precision machines,

but they all their order forms are in paper because for whatever reason, Germans just don't trust the computer. But the paper is great. Oh yeah, very well engineered. That's great engineering. And you must understand that when you have all of your records written on paper, you can't always set light to them if you really need to. You can't write the cool ass

on a computer. You have to do it on good paper. Just don't do two of them. Right. One more bit of news before we move on. Which is of course, this is something I have specifically for you, Milo. Oh, which is last week last week while we were all on holiday you didn't realize that you out there in podcast land because we pre-recorded some episodes But yes, everyone was away. We weren't doing it for a week was the March of ex-Hell bully owners and crucially not exhale bullies No, no, they didn't want to take that race did they? Why not bring your dog on the protest about how safe your dog is?

Yeah, I was obsessed with this. I may not have been physically here, but I was mentally here. It's so good to be first of all because to have... Basically, you know that everyone who owns an Excel bully, the thought process they went through when deciding to buy that dog is what is the most, like, obviously dangerous-looking dog I can legally buy. And then now it's very funny having to watch all of those people back form a reason they got that dog that isn't that.

Like, I don't really, Like, I don't really, like, I don't really feel particularly at risk from the ex-albullies, you know, I'm not a toddler who lives outside a bed-fred. Like, I don't find that, you know, it's not, I don't have strong opinions on the ex-albullie, but it was very funny to watch the march where it was like, look, there's no bad ex-albullies,

some have eaten toddlers, but it's just because they have bad owners. And then none of which are here, by the way. Yeah, and then to prove that, they assemble the group of people who, it wouldn't be right to judge people by their appearance, but if we were to do that. There are sort of people who,

if their dog was attacking you and they turned up, you would not be relieved. What are my favorite lines from that process, the video? But it was just like, yeah, there's peter files on the streets, but they're going after our dogs. It's like, what is that? There are. And it's true.

There's like peter files. There's like peter files. They're going after the dogs. What I suppose if they could, if they could identify peter files, by just putting it out, it's humans, mate. We've got to lock away all the humans. The analogy would be if you were allowed to own a Peterfile. No.

And like walk it around the park on a lead. And yeah, I probably like that. There's no bad Peterfiles, only bad owners. Like, or then if there was a Peterfile ban, you would just simply have to have your Peterfile muted and muzzled. Which I guess probably would neutralize the threat from a Peterfile. So, yeah, we're coming to take all this to here. We're solving more than one problem here at a stroke.

We're making a fairer world. We're solving that one lady's Excel bully criticism. By saying, okay, fine. We'll do it the Peter files. The same way we do with the bulldogs. Also, they ran into a rejoin the EU march and yell at them and call them all traitors. You know what, fine.

Yeah. I wish they brought the bullies to be honest. Yeah, that really, that really would have been an alien versus predator, FPP versus the Excel bullies. Oh, the acronyms, too many acronyms for me. What I like though was the warning, don't bring your dog to the Excel bully protest march. It will kill me.

No, because the police will antagonize you and seize your dog. It's like the first time any of these people have ever had to like follow safe protesting advice because the equivalent, right, the, let's say the demographically equivalent thing, the assumption being of course, would have been like the save our statues march.

Yeah. It's like there was just a bunch of guys were like, yeah, of course I'm gonna bring cocaine to the protest. I wanna have fun. Yeah, of course. I'm gonna bring the flat, put in my ass. Different things, but still. Yeah, but vibe.

Yeah. And it was like, oh no, the police are gonna seize the dogs. Gotta be careful out there. We're gonna de- arrest terror the big dog. Oh god, that was also very funny. I saw that someone had looked up the names of the dogs. Because they're all pure bread dogs. They all have official registered names and stuff.

And the names of lots of them were unstoppable genocide. And just like, he's a lovely dog. Yeah, he's called a child killer 4,000. That's just his legal name. We call him killer for sure. Yeah, we're gonna call him child for sure, because he's my child. Yeah, that's right.

A Excel bully, it stands for extra extra loving. Yeah, and bully is more like, wow, Teddy Roosevelt would have said it like extra loving bully bully for that So did the did the XL bully March? Did it did it you know win any? Concided did the people of the UK turn around and say you know what they're right the XL bully is a much misunderstood That's that the XL bully March and the rejoin March achieve much the same thing which is that the people on them, getting on chashiche. The people on them are sort of annoyed at, they are annoyed at the politics of the country.

They do not really understand much of how it works, and they're just going to go and yell about it for a little while to get their energy out. Yeah, yeah, the Axel Buddy thing, it reminded me a lot of the gun guys in America where they're just like, when you just like, you have a gun because you think they're cool, right? And then when people are like, I'm not sure you should be able to have that gun. Then you have to come up with a reason that seems sensible while you have the gun.

So then you know. Yeah, then you're sort of retort, then the retorts are sort of like these kind of insane scenarios that you then have to debate again. Because like, again, in that video, when I think I think it was done by Joe and like the reports are sort of asked like, okay, like in what situation would like, you know, what, what if,

it was something along the lines of like, okay, how do you sort of respond to the idea that this dog is dangerous? And one of them goes, oh no, you couldn't, you know, he's really loving, really carrying, like, you know, he wouldn't hurt anyone unless someone was kind of being aggressive towards it. And then they ask like, what, okay, what happens if,

like, the dog thinks the person is being aggressive, it's like, I wouldn't want to know. Right. But I think, I mean, why was, why was gonna add? Because I'm going to add to be honest. Because like, I don't want to discount, or I think like,, why was why was gonna add? Because I made it to be honest. Because I don't want to discount, or I think like it, there is a more complicated,

there's like a broader phenomena sort of happening. And the Excel bully thing I think is like, you know, there is like a lot of amusing parts in that for sure. But there were some of the owners who kind of said, that well, you know, in my neighborhood, like the police don't do anything, like they don't really protect me. And so I see this dog as my form of protection.

And we've got this about logic. There's something within that, which does speak to this broader idea of, okay, you have a broad sense of disenchantment and this broad sense of also the government and the institutions are supposed to protect you, are not gonna do anything and pretty much everyone is accepted,

but that's just not gonna be the case. And so, I do have some sympathy with the idea that people would invest, people would buy these dogs, and not just, I think, not even just Excel bullies, but other types of aggressive but legal dogs, do so because for them it's like, well, this is the only form of security that I really have. And you know, there's also the sense of isolation and the idea about like, you know, any dog is there to, you know, a dog can be there for companionship and a lot of these

types of dogs, like you can buy, like, you know, on the black market, for lack of, you know, they're like easy, much easier to access in some ways. So I think there are like broader social phenomena that are going on that does explain in part like why there is a the defensiveness towards these kinds of dogs, which can't be like, we shouldn't be like immediately discounted. Of course, but it's the the marches of music. There are definitely some amusing parts there. I, I'm sad that Alice isn't here because there were lots of situations where although there were lots of instances of like owners wearing my dogs collar. Oh, that is that is kinky. I couldn't bring my dog because he was busy. So I'm here as my dog. All right,

all right. We got we got we could do two one of two startups today. Okay. One is called we're going to do the other one in the bonus. So you listen, you're gonna hear both of them. You're gonna run through both of them. The question is, which do you wanna do today? Do you want to do Erudit? So Erudite without an E or Base? I'm very intrigued by Erudit. Yeah, let's do that.

You wanna do Erudit? Okay, you've chosen the evil one, not the stupid one. Ah, okay. Erudit, shaping the blank experience. Okay, that's not helpful stupid one. Ah, okay. Uh huh. Erudit, shaping the blank experience. Okay, that's not helpful at all. In your hands. It's in your hands. It's reading?

Like Joan Ryan. No. An empowered blank fuels business success. An empowered blank fills business success. Exel bully. Yeah, an empowered exel bully who's able to like make management decisions. Yeah, like I've been giving my Excel bully roads. And now he's finally someone did it.

Yeah, he's really helping with the business negotiations that I'm in, because I just let him into the bull. Well, one great business idea would be to bring an Excel bully into the office and just to release it at random times, because via adrenaline that your employees would get and the fear that they would have might close them to work faster and more efficiently. Know your workforce and hit your business goals. It must be like a brain-related thing,

cognitive tech tech of some sort. Well, it's an AI, excuse me, it is an AI software as a service platform that helps leaders improve culture and productivity. So is it like a spying software? Yeah, you basically got it. I don't much the way it is. They say culture is not just about employee resource groups

and pizza parties, which became clear as chief people officers gain to seat at the executive table. Eridit is giving leaders the tech to maintain the best workforce at top performance But how do you think it works and also because it's now obviously the year that it is and and stuff is off the blockchain It's now an AI program. Right. Yes I mean you could never really put that in the block I mean, I'm sure someone probably put like tried to tokenize HR But it was all it always loaned because like blockchain was all about fragmenting things and allowing things to communicate

in a fragmented but organized way, that was the idea anyway. Right, the AI is always about bringing more and more into one umbrella, it's about large institutional control. That's also basically the idea. So does it like, it has like camera footage of you at your desk and an AI looks at you and decides if you're working or not? Not quite. Not quite.

That's more of like a shift worker industrial production thing because we have talked about companies that are like that before. Yeah. That's a little bit like cloud chef is kind of like that. You know, it's just, it's you go when you work in front of the cameras and everything you do is monitored and checked. You don't even know what you're doing. You just know, twist your hand like this.

It becomes like a religious ceremony. In this case, no. IrroDit connects with companies and journal data through Google Workspace, Slack, Teams, Zoom, et cetera, to give executives real-time work environment reports that are segmented by team. So you can know the attitude of your sales team, and you can, if, what else you have to do

if you're CEO, you can see the attitude bar of your sales team go up and down in real time based on how they're messaging one another. Right, okay. So it's a, it is originally also a Spanish company. It feels wrong. Erudito. But it feels wrong because this,

Spain is like leads the world in like goofing off. Yeah, a little sleep in the middle of the day. Which is good. That's a fine thing to do. Um, maybe that's why maybe it's like produced, you know, like the... It's like that thing of like, you know, like the guy, the guy who went to Eaton, who becomes like a trotsky, or whatever, you know, because it's just a piss off dad.

But it's like the Spanish version of that, where it's like, he's so annoyed by everyone having a little sleep in the afternoon. He's like, oh, I will build a computer to stop this. We will stop everybody napping. So our psychology backed AI. Okay. Okay. So unlike all those other AI's that are only backed

by sociology, economics, English literature. And my AI's got business studies. And just psychology, nothing else. Yeah, that's only psychology. It's if it's an AI with psychology, it takes unbiased work for its insights. Here's how it works. They have AI models trained by psychologists

that extract and classify chat messages set between employees. A demo page on the company's website shows them to try detecting the following Exchange which now because Milo is sitting next to me. I would like to do in a dramatic reading with him Okay, this is again how they imagine people talk. Hey Martin I'm so stressed because of the merger. They're giving me all this workload this sucks I'm always saying it. I get what you mean But I just think about all the good things that come from this

Smiling glosses emoji. That's very easy to say for you since you've been here since forever and everybody loves you. Just give them some time. I love these new challenges now, exclamation mark. Wow, people really talk like this. I can't handle it anymore to be honest. And then there's like a, the like cross-side like gasping face. Let's talk to Susan. She might have a plan to take some of this pressure off you back. I don't really, I mean, that's the one realistic thing. I don't really care anymore, FYI. I'm looking at other jobs already just in case. So number one, we're going to take that to the West End, I think. Yeah, of course. Yeah. How did they get this transcript to the Trashieger group chat?

Yeah. So yeah, we're merging with the Romania. Yeah. It's called the old God what now? No. Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm sure it's going to be cool though, God're merging with the Romania. Yeah, fine. Oh, it's called Oh God what now? Now, okay. Yeah, I'm sure it's gonna be cool though. God what future in a minute? Absolutely. You and Ian done fighting over the show roundup position. Oh, fucking, I could take him.

But you're gonna say I'll fuck it. I'm so well. You really escalated that. No, I will not. So what they do with that transcript is they highlighted some of the phrases like, I'm so stressed, I can't handle this. I love these new challenges, also they have lighted.

Who doesn't? They basically say, okay, well, we want to start modeling our AI on the five big personality traits. Openness, discipline, extroversion, cooperativity, neuroticism. I think those are still a bit, I'm very skeptical of ways to like, I prefer love languages myself.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, attachment styles. And there's obviously star sign as well, which some companies prefer. I think these, or this, or like a Myers-Briggs thing, it's like a lot of it is just sort of, you know, a bit up in the air. Right, but they said, no, we want to make our own version. We want to make a proprietary personality model that you, you can listen. You, the CEO, should be able to measure your employees

against, and they said, they called this the semantic personality analysis theory. Right. It's the, this is something I also enjoy, right? Is we didn't lose, and they change over from like the gilded age to now, right? The great rationalization of the 20th century, we didn't actually lose that kind of rich weirdo who would be like, I've come up with a new bisection of the human

mind or whatever. I guess I've come up with a bisexual, a try one. And this one can drive. Right. We haven't lost that. It's just that they've been filtered into business double speed. Yeah. So they created a new map of the mind, essentially. Yeah, of course. And so they said, we must handle models as dynamic belief systems, calling our theory

semantic personality analysis. It states that we are the beliefs that we are constantly repeating and that we act upon ourselves, others in the world, according to that speech. Therefore, we do not try to enclose workers in a global category. So, isn't that nice? They're not trying to enclose workers in one personality kind of personality test. They're allowing workers to be evaluated on any number of personality tests that they couldn't possibly understand.

Yeah, of course. That's the other thing, if you know, right, that your company is rolling out, Irritate, what do you do? You'll find out how to talk in messages in ways that Irritate wants to hear. Yeah, you start sending messages like, love PowerPoint, PowerPoint tonight, Queen, IMAG. Yeah.

Okay, so we offer metrics on different aspects of worker hourly mental states considering their historical behavior and cultural context. My hourly mental state. Yeah. Therefore, Eridit does not box employees into globally to find categories, rather offering a different, a metrics on different aspects of hourly mental states.

We design all sorts of scrapers to get texts from books, poems, songs, dialogues, and movies and series, social media, and forums, and hired a team of psychologists to tag them based on their theory and the metrics that we knew were of interest to human resources managers. So I only have to ask, what books and movies did they use?

All the Harry Potter books. Like apparently Greg from accounts is saying that he's husband, is his husband who a murdered wife and father to a murdered son and he'll have his vengeance in this life of the next. Yeah, he's feeling vengeful. Hmm, what does that say? I wanna know what they're like, global HR categories are.

You've got hungry, horny, unionizing. So at the same time, we designed an algorithm based on AI to create word vectors that encode their meaning from co-occurrence in the same context, meaning basically the closer these words often occur together, the more associated they are with certain personality traits. But the issue, if you're just thinking in corporate double speak, then all that is legible to you is corporate double speak. Yeah. Right. And then everything is being evaluated from that kind of very, you could, again, is being evaluated from the ideal of corporate double speak. It is, like, for all

the, there are, everyone worried about 1984 because like, I don't know, there's a stonewall flag or whatever. Now, like, a lot of that stuff around like new speak or whatever. It's actually is happening. Oh yeah, it's time. It's happening here. There's all weird emojis. There's no even the good ones. This is where that is happening. Yeah, they're not even using the 100 emoji. No one uses flow. No, they do use flames.

Do they use the little flamenco dancing woman? No, they don't. The's gone now, bygone era. Yeah, it expresses too many joyful concepts. Yeah. Right, but the, if you want to see a picture of the future, really, it's just understanding what the biases of the AI that is monitoring or governing you. Well, we're answering this question as to what the future

of office work is, and I've been thinking about this a little bit over the time we've been doing these episodes because to me, it feels like there's this contradiction, right? Like if you're working in an office and if you're working in some sort of basically an email job, the, the light cleanness is, is that you've been told in some capacity that your job is basically just about to be automated, right? Like effectively, they are waiting for the AI to make you redundant, and it's just, and it's more like you, it's more of a matter of time than anything else.

It doesn't really matter about how good you are at your job or how like good you are at doing a spreadsheet or an email, because ultimately, like the AI tools are at least as a logic goes, it's gonna be better than you. So in the meantime, like, what is, what's the point of you being in an office, right? And it feels like all these AI tools are really rooted in the sort of concept of measuring performance, but, you know, this isn't performance where it's just like,

you know, your standard KPI metrics or whatever, which again, a bullshit, but for different reasons, it, I've seen it sort of now being seeped into language. And so it seems like these type, like error, error, error, it seems to be like this good example of how you can once again add like a bullshit metric to employees that they're never going to like fully meet. But this time it's monitoring the way that they communicate.

And in so doing kind of creating or at least like kind of promoting a type of corporate speak, which is, I think as you mentioned, like is friendly to the AI tools that are eventually going to replace them, but also create a different kind of office environment in which everyone sort of knows they're not really doing anything

and they're waiting to be phased out, but there is still this need to convince people that they're being productive. And so you end up having these very weird conversations where you have like sentences such as, I love these new challenges. It would've been emoji-free with sunglasses, right? Well, it's the concept, I think. The concept I've been thinking about a lot recently when it comes to AI and these kinds of tools is legibility because the whole thing about AI is that there's two, too many dimensions you can think about about it, right? But the two dimensions I'm most interested in are modality and legibility. So modality is how is it, how is the software able to consume information,

images, sound, text, blah, blah, blah, right? And then legibility is how does it index it? So is it, and who does it make, and who is, does it make something legible for? So for example, management might have access to every single slack chat, but unless they're searching for a time and an exchange There's too much information for them to see right? It is it may be there, but it's not really legible to them these is not and all of this information such as like employee engagement or whether they're unhappy or whatever that's all there, but it's not really legible to them and At the same time you think okay, well

What was the there there have been revolutions in workplace legibility in the last like couple hundred years. And those are things like the assembly line, those are things like Taylorism, those are things that the creation of HR departments, there's the creation of things like of the open office. All of this is allows whatever management cares about. It allows it to be more legible to them. And if you are legible to someone, then they have a lever of power over you, right? Because they may say, erudite says, oh, no, no, no, we're not spyware because actually workers are less productive when they think they're being spied on.

This is just so bosses can know where to put extra effort wink wink, right? They say, oh, they say, oh, no, no, no, no. But the problem is, if you are legible to someone, if they can understand you, if they can understand what action you're going to take based on what, if they know what you're thinking, it's things that you may not have said, and that is a lever of power that they have. And so this is- Don't be legible, become ungovernable. Start behaving so radically and unpredictably at work that they cannot discipline you. But like a kind of behavioral dazzle camouflage. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If they call you in for a meeting in your boss's office, go into the star of kitchen and take a shit on the floor. Ha, ha, ha. Start speaking Arabic immediately. Ha, ha, ha. Do you, Jared, let's have Joker think, just like give him a mystery box? Yeah. yeah.

I'm always fascinated as well about that whenever, and I think this is an echo of like the crypto and blockchain companies we were talking about kind of last season. Whenever a company claims to be AI, it doesn't really seem to be meaningfully doing anything that is per se AI. It just seems to be like a computer. Like when you say, oh, well, it can read all of this text and then it can like look out for keywords and associate or like key phrases and associate them with a relevant emotion that we've tagged or whatever.

And it's like, yeah, but that's already a spreadsheet could do that. Like that's kind of, well, it's, I guess this is the argument that AI is just a significantly large and complicated enough spreadsheet with sufficient rules. But then you get sort of into the weeds about, well, what is it, what is consciousness, et cetera. So sprinkling this like branding magic on something you could do with a computer 10 years ago. Because they want their funding.

Right. Yeah. Of course. Because this isn't really ever made to be marketed to anyone. Or it's not made to be bought, sure, fine. But the job of every startup founder in the AI era, as it wasn't the crypto era, as it was in the sort of general social disruption era, whatever, whatever,

it's the same job, which is just get that series A, B, C, and D. Can your investors to give you money? Yeah, exactly. A line of question marks profit. Yeah, yeah. Not even question marks needed. It's. Yeah, exactly. A line of question marks profit. Yeah, yeah. Not even question marks needed. It's just one, two. AI when it's applied to production

isn't about automation, it's about de-skilling. And in this case, you know, AI as it's applied to people management isn't about automation, the removal of bias, so much as it is about the denial of accountability. It's about being able to say, well, sorry, the your engagement score has dropped from an 80 to a 76 and to keep working in this department you need at least a 78. I didn't do it, sorry, but you're gone now. I'm now fascinated by the

idea of 8, just going it. Sarah Connor, you are not fitting in with the workplace ethos. And so they had a blog post that they said, fuck off with your surveillance software, set a comment on our digital app. It's the most hostile reaction to our people analytics solutions so far. I can guarantee it will not be the last of it ever gets depleted. See, I was quite into saying, I got on. However, as workplaces move online, managers fear to drop a productivity and a slew of solutions to monitor employee performance made its way to the market. Slew.

Thankfully, more and more leaders believe that investing in the well-being of the workforce is also an investment in the well-being success of the entire organization. Still, the reality is that surveillance software exists and can be used against employees of top management to allow it. This is our attempt at learning about and directly addressing the elephant in the room. So they say, yeah, of course, of course it, it surveils you, but they say, with great power comes great responsibilities. And it applies to that big elephant.

It applies to Spider-Man superpowers as much as it does to AI in every new technology. AI can work wonders for humanity. Engineers have developed an AI to empower persons with hearing disabilities to an app that translate text to sign language. It's like, yeah, fine. It is a computer that can make its own inferences based on multi-modal communication.

That's pretty impressive. But it doesn't change the fact, yes, AI has allowed a deaf person to hear, as this claims here, great, or let's say helps deaf people navigate to the same unit. But that doesn't change the fact that what you're doing is spying on employees. Yeah. Oh, look, it's also done this good thing.

So that's the thing I'm doing, can't be. It's like, look, this hammer built this house. It couldn't possibly be used as a weapon. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah. And then they, of course, quote a bunch of employees were like, I love being monitored. It's crazy. Yeah, look, AI can help a, you know, a deaf person to hear.

This guy fought the Russians. Don't worry about when. So last thing, anonymity is key. It has been used since time immoriel to oppose power in even topple regimes. Say the HR spyware makers. Wow, this is a really, they're going broad here. Could employees use anonymity to their advantage as well?

Anonymous metrics and even conversation topics inform leaders while protecting the identity of workers. So yeah, you could be like, but what if I get listened in on, and I say something that the government could improve on? What if I get listened in on by like the NSA and the Patriot Act, and I say, you know what, they should fix the damn potholes.

And then what do you know, overcomes the municipal workers? Yes, like Mr. President. We've all heard a lot of disgruntled people about the potholes. We've been listening in on the phone calls of Sir Rod Stewart Anyway, I want to finish up with a quick reading. Alistair Heath

I think might be Britain's most insane columnist. Yeah, and it's a league table Hmm, you know, he's gone very insane because I feel like there was some that were just like always that Yeah, like of course Brendan who could who could forget? Yeah, but he, because I had some interactions with him when I was a young budding journalist and I may have interviewed at the newspaper he was editing at the time and may have had an interaction with him. And he was seemed normal.

And if you like read the stuff that he wrote, like he's just kind of like a normal kind of, you know, his politics have always sucked obviously but he normal kind of, you know, his politics have always sucked obviously, but he's kind of, you know, for the most part, he's just sort of a finance columnist, talking about like how markets need to be more free and everything. And then at some point, I think post pandemic,

he wrote the column, which was really about how he had given up everything and how we need like Jesus back. And that's when you sort of realized, oh, you've, okay, so you've been on the computer, you've been looking at some posts, and now your brain's not going back to normal. You all need Jesus, there's Alistair Heath. Yeah.

But I think what I was gonna say is I think that's how you sort of need to understand it. It was like, at some point he's kind of understood that like all the politics that he stood for and became was very influential in doing, like especially during the Cameron austerity is, has kind of now affected him, and he's freaking out about it.

Mm. Well, so let's see what he says. I didn't know this, but. Layer and brown, still rule-written. Rishi Sunak's only hope is to brush. A spectra, a spectra, haunts, haunts for UK. Yeah. It's, um, and it's Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.

Tony Blair still does haunt Britain. Oh, yeah, especially West London. Yeah, it feels as though, you know, they think that Gordon Brown and Tony Blair did a kind of like, Putin, Medvedev, switcheroo with like the conservative government. Well, and they're just still there in the background. They're waiting to come back. Well, I think the argument here, right? And it's one that we've sort of,

we've seen increasingly as the conservative party has fewer things to do. And how true conservatism we realize has never been tried because every time a new person gets in promising to do true conservatism, they sort of run up against the fact that much of that is just marketing material and what they're actually going to do is very conservative, very reactionary, and very painful, but that it will never meet match the dreams of think tankers and columnists. Yeah, yeah, it might just collapse the economy but well that's cuz it was no it wasn't try to sabotage

yeah of course by the work banks so in this so alistair he writes despite thirteen years of torry rule hell of a start written remains trapped in a dysfunctional paradigm shaped by Tony Blinn and Gordon Brown. Actually, a beautiful second clause as well, despite 13 years of Tory rule, Britain remains trapped in a dysfunctional paradigm. Hmm. Hmm. What an interesting framing. Yeah. They, Blair and Brown,

transformed Britain far more comprehensively than anybody realized at the time, empowered by a nomenclature of lawyers, bureaucrats, and cultural propagandists committed to entrenching the revolution and succeeded in bamboozling Tory wets into believing that their brand of technocratic social democracy was the only morally acceptable way to govern. A lot going on here.

We've had a lot of technocratic social democracy in the last 13 years. Oh, yeah, the Tories are always making pragmatic decisions. That's what I would say about them. They're never doing anything crazy that makes no sense. The Tories are all about looking at the data and choosing the best course of action and damn the electorate.

That's them, technocrats to the end. The, I find the real reason I wanna read this article is the second paragraph though, is the fashionable attempts at rehabilitating Blair are absurd. Again, that's true. That is literally true. That's not how fashionable they are,

but they're setting their hour attempts. Yeah. But I wasn't impressed by his London Fashion Week runway show, but that was just me. The more abundant NHS probably is wearing a gigantic ID card. Yeah. I have for the next episode, they've released a policy paper on how they want

Starmer to do the ID cards. They're back on it, he just can't, it's the fucking white whale for Tony Blair, he will never get over ID cards. We're going to talk about it in the next episode. So sign up for the TF Patreon if you want to hear us go through that, well if you want to hear me go through that policy paper and you want to hear me go through that policy paper and you want to hear the rest of them, who'd at me will I do it?

Yeah, the Morabund NHS, probably the Worst Health System in the Western world, why is that? Our enane anti-house building planning system dreamt up by old labor. Woke, Neo-Marcusian ideology was first promoted by labor governments from the 1960s. Well, the fuck does Neo-Marcusian mean? Herbert Marcusa.

One of the Frankfurt school. Oh, okay. What's Neo-Marcusian? That's what I'm confused about. What's that? Well, I don't know what like old, like, was he talking specifically about OG Marcusian. Marcusa like, like, wrote about the, like, like, the, like, the flattening experience

of living. Kind of like, you would probably have a lot to say, actually, about like people's awareness that they're being watched by AI, shaped the way they communicate to one another, right? He wrote about the flattening of life in an industrial society, how that becomes hopeless. I don't know, I didn't have that relates to housing.

It's possible, nine of the disasters. There's no neo-Barcusianism that's on the Stanford and Psychopedia philosophy. And there's not a bunch of guys with shaved heads who call themselves Neo-Marcusian. Maybe he's a specially object, I think. Maybe he's just trying to like, carve a new sort of thing for himself,

because everyone sort of got taken like, Neo-Marxist and stuff, right? And like they're starting to sort of take on Foucault and everything but he's just been like well who hasn't been tried yet yeah and it was old Mark Eusians taking because it's just guys who went to Mulbra. Well he meant Marx and he wrote Mark Eusians instead I don't know it doesn't make any sense but okay go go for it. Well apparently since the 1960s when Herbert Marcusa was actually writing and he wouldn't be a neo-Marcusian. Labor governments were promoting.

I don't know what exactly that would have been. Yeah. Of course. It seems very specific. Herbert Marcuso was primarily a cultural critic. Does he? I mean, I would know what he would say about house building of the NHL. The only other thing, which would have been me, which had been more of a good bit, would

be like if he had sort of going from one dimensional man to one dimensional person. Yeah, that would have been a good pronouns, like bits of put in. Alistair Heath, get us for punch up. That's right. Tory MPs may have been in office, but labor ideas have been in power.

It's the labor ideas, of course, are weak economic growth dragged down by tax regulation, a destructive monetary policy, and insufficient investment. The slowdown began in 2005, for the Tories have pushed more of the same anti-free market policies. For example, devolution, the U-Less, handouts from England to the SNP in 20 mile per hour speed limits in Wales, and the uselessness of the Met Police. Okay, cool.

So this is just like a mix of grievances, but actually aren't really related to each other. Honey, more than our speed limits in Wales is it's not just Tories doing a Labour policy. It is a Labour policy. They've got a Labour government. It's a devolved, it's a Welsh government policy. I mean, say we were the government policy. Say what you were about, Mark, he would have really hated traffic lights. Probably. I don't know. Don't know, don't site me on that.

Well, because it's like, devolution meant that now there's a Wales can have its own speed limit as opposed to England setting off speed limits, which would be much more sensible. That's the argument there. But also, it's just so funny to be like, oh, well, you know, the Tories are just doing the things

labor would have done, and then point to a thing that labor have literally done. It's devolution was the argument here. Right. Okay. The human rights act, the rise of law fair and the equangalization of decision making, which spawned monsters such as the climate change commit again. He's pointing to things like equangalization of decision making.

That's a deeply anti-democratic current that runs through British politics that kind of does come from Blair and Brown. But this problem is that these anti-democratic organizations, these Kwangos and stuff, are being run not by his friends from Tuftin Street. They're not being run by like columnist-brained people. Oh yeah, people that hate that children. Like it's, he's really, what seems to be upsetting

him is like, no, we want a flat tax, and I should be able to drive my car through a living room. Yeah, and there's not enough people with gout in charge of like, you know, the company that runs the speed cameras or whatever. Our bloated mismanaged, wasteful state, the broken approach to immigration, the growing dependency and the government for job incomes and lifestyles, the top down environmental dogmatism that threatens to ruin the lives of millions are overextended university system all these originated under new labor or built on by the clueless conservatives which again that is also true but he's got it

the wrong way around new labor building on the work of that more so than the current tour administration building on the work of new labor it's almost as though these problems are are long standing but then some other things that he talks about right like oh our broken approach to immigration building on the work of new labor. It's almost as though these problems are longstanding, but then some other things that he talks about, right? Like, are broken approach to immigration or a wokeness in general, or the fact that we have too many universities now, that was just just Britain responding

to demand the demand of the global economy. Yeah, that's just what it needed at the time. Well, and also like, again, what is he talking about? Like, you know, fucking like labor, like the, the, the, again, what is he talking about? Like, you know, fucking, like, labor, like the, the, the, the, the Tories of massively restricted immigration compared to like, what was under the labor government? I mean, since Brexit has changed a bit

because they've kind of had to overhaul the whole system, but like, we're not letting any fucking asylum see, because always, which I mean, the, you know, new labor is bad as they were, probably would have let in a few more than currently. So I don't really understand what it's point is, everything he's pointing to are things which like they have persisted to some extent

due to the fact that it's impossible to not do them. But the Tories have slashed at them as much as they possibly could to the point where the Jenga Tower has basically fallen out of. But it didn't create the Utopia. Oh, right. I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They didn't just push the big real conservatism button that create the utopia. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They didn't just do push the big real conservatism button that creates the utopia. And we all know what revolutionary utopia and conservatism is like, right? It generates speakers for Canadian parliament. Well, yeah, of course. Essentially. So he's basically furious that they've done everything

he wants, but it hasn't worked. What he says, in rare cases, where Karen and Osborne sought to break with labor, they picked the wrong battles. Osterity turned out to be a reversible damp squib. Of course it's reversible. Any government policy is fucking reversible, you lunatic, other than blow up the world. Like what are you talking about?

Well the state was salami-slice rather than re-engineered and privatised. And in some cases the wrong prospects were cut. You can't privatise the entire state is a contradiction in terms Like what you're just gonna sell the country to circle like how would they even work? You fucking idiot like what like the prime minister is now just the CEO of circle like every school teacher is like a guy with a Baton wearing one of those white shirts with like a fucking embroidered monogram on it. Like how do what would it mean to privatize the entire state? Make the CEO of Circo King.

Yeah. Yeah. Pritz Charles works for Circo now. Yes, he has to check it on Erite every morning. Yeah, he's got private healthcare now. Yeah. It benefits for all right. Yeah, he's got private healthcare now. Yeah. And benefits for all right? Yeah, he talks like that now.

Every school run by SIRCO, thigh office, run by SIRCO. Well, it's so close to being that already. Yeah, it's just what he's, what his problem is is that the function of a state is hard to privatize. And he wishes that they just threaded the ideological needle to just do it.

And they didn't just do it. And that means the Tories are doomed unless they finally try real conservatism and just do it. I feel like I'm just like leasing my mind at the point where privatization of public services has so manifestly not worked. And has ended up... Because their argument is like it's not privatizing the right way. Yeah, or enough right or enough I mean like fundamentally this also does the same like someone who's kind of Would have supported Liz Truss and he did is really yeah, and it's really sad like so many of these columnists are very much

Just like people who felt that Liz Truss was hard done by well. He literally does say that in the article Well, is that there you go. Yeah, that forces conspired New York, who seems probably conspired against. But then it's a contradiction as well, because it's very much just the case of, well, again, all this sort of speaks to, all this sort of seems to echo this kind of broader thing about the world doesn't work in the way that I want.

And I'm really pissed about that. And that's it. That's kind of the depth of the analysis. And then again, it goes back to the sort of sense of like, at some point, he just felt completely defeated and realized that like whatever he was advocating for doesn't work anymore and he's kind of just going off the edge. I don't think he even feels defeated. I think he just feels betrayed.

Or that he's just, he's always back to the winning team. And yet they keep doing the same sort of relit, let's say, they do the slide to the right as opposed to the leap into paradise, which he seems to want. Saying, Brexit was the greatest wasted opportunity of all. He was the ultimate thumbs down to the Blair project. Yeah, that is largely neutered by foot dragging Tories and by Boris Johnson's unwillingness to drastically remake our economy welfare state and machinery of state. It was neutered by the fact that it doesn't fucking work! It's a non-functioning ideology!

Like, you just cannot be done! That is what we discovered! It is impossible without declaring war on Ireland to do the kind of Brexit that Tory backbenches thought they were going to have. And that was knowable before we did it. It was just an observable fact, but they were all like, oh, well, maybe if I have a go, no, it's very simple. They're like basic rules of like axioms to how all of these things operate. And like apples and oranges, and you can't like will them into being oranges just because like, you know, you want it to be.

Well, there's a glimmer of hope, which is that Rishi Soutanax started off poorly, but appears to have had a change of heart. Preventing Nicolas Sturgeon's awful plan to allow gender self-recognition, reversing the assault on cars. The assaults on cars. And then, say, stand dysfunction on cars, assaults on cars, and then they tend to function on the exel,

the exel, but watering down extreme net zero proposals before signing off on more North Sea oil. And that's the thing, right? Like these guys, the point of someone like Alistair Heath isn't to be right, right? The point of someone like Alistair Heath is to always make sure the government moves,

is to give the right somewhere to go, to give conservatism something else that it needs to revolutionize. Right. And that, and the, to always, and to always be permanently dissatisfied. Because the right wing, the right wing utopia project, the point of it is that it's unreachable so that more work always needs to be done. More things need to be rolled back. There's always a moral racism you could be doing. It's veryreachable so that more work always needs to be done. More things need to be rolled back. There's always more racism you could be doing. Yeah. It's very important to remember that.

You don't people seeing on their laurels thinking I've been quite racist already. No, no, no. There was always further you could push. What about the Portuguese? Haven't thought about them lately. Could we drum up something about those? Tsunac may now go to War against HS2, the ultimate Neo Blaireite folly. Neo Blaireite now.

This is so good that HS2 was nearly done and they've just decided to cancel the last five miles of track that would make it work for no reason. Just pure, pure spite and cherlishness. It's very Pandora not letting hope out of the box, you know? It's like, it's like, it's just like, Oh, we've spent like the 200 billion or whatever.

All we need to do is build the last link between like, fucking Watford or wherever the fucking central under there, like, no, we're gonna save a billion pounds, like less than a percent of the overall construction cost and make it useless. Just waste all of the time, all of the money, all of the pointless arguments that were hard about where the root of the thing should go, whatever. No, fuck it, fuck you, you're not getting a fucking train, we're gonna save a billion quit and we're gonna give it to fucking Circo to knock down your fucking meringue school. He says, it was backed by Archblade and her adonis before being embraced by Cameron and Osborne.

If anyone is an Archblade, Archit, don't like Arbitrary 4 and 8 targets. Hs2 is a symbol of the ruling class's constructivist ideology, a totemic project that mixes pseudo-greenery. You're a cradding him. You're a crad credit compartment and EU envy. How is it like foreign aid? It is literally a domestic infrastructure project to benefit the people and economy of the United Kingdom. It's as opposite to foreign aid as you could possibly get

in terms of what it's trying to achieve. Well, thank you for asking. Okay. Let's work. Yeah, exactly. It's work. It's to. Well, it's woke. Yeah, exactly. It's woke. It's to make everyone feel it's a piece of social engineering and woke. If you if the ticket inspector on the train asks you for your pronouns and you give them the wrong ones, then you actually end up having to pay your ticket price all over again.

That's right. But it's the connecting the two Muslim no-go areas of London and Birmingham in the hopes of building a greater caliphate across the entirety of the home counts. You can't have that. Yeah. So, the argument basically is that, is that thing projects like HS2 because they're designed on getting people to go to one place and then go to another one place, right, rather than having a car where they can stop on the way and start from their houses and never have to interact with each other.

And trains don't stop anywhere. It's a form of social engineering. Ah, you can go because you might have to interact with someone, but in your car, you can stay stuck on the road. And the only way you can communicate with people is by honking your horn and shouting, so that they can't hear you. But everyone on the change should get a little horn. It's like how thatcher said, right?

Economics is the method and the goal is to change the soul. HS2 is the method and the goal was to change the soul. That just showed it to like an anime, if it wasn't the law. Yeah. So let's hope the conservative party decides that it will be a proper conservative party committed to free market driven growth, technological solutions to environmental issues,

low tax, cultural conservatism, family and individual reliance, control immigration and the forging of a new patriotic anti-woke multiracial civic identity. How is this not controlled immigration? What are you imagining? Hamedically sealing the country, like literally just like kicking everyone who already lives here out and no one can live in Britain. I mean, probably yes.

Probably yes. Just circle. Again, it's the point is, right? It will never be enough. Even the people who work for Circo to guard the border of Britain aren't allowed to live in Britain. They have to commute from France. I mean, this does actually sort of say, I think you're right in the sense that like, I don't even think he's really mad about half of these things. I think it is, it does sort of read to kind of be this broader question about where does the right go once it inevitably, like loses in like electoral politics, like pretty soon, and that's kind of like a much broader

question. The party right, not like the right right, As much as the labor party is now occupied, the center right's been. Yeah, but I don't know, because there's also just sort of like, when the right wing are in like, don't have kind of power, like, I think that's also, I think that's kind of one of the reasons

why you're seeing Tory ministers like going to the States, like Bravaman sort of being one this week, where it's very clearly like, okay, you're looking for a job at like an American right wing think tank. The sort of attempts to import like American culture wars into the UK, some of which have sort of been quite successful others not so much. I think it kind of speaks to this broader question that a lot of these guys have, which is like,

well, where does the party right actually go at this point, right? Because in 2010, when the conservatives kind of got into coalition, but their sort of pitch was very much about like fiscal prudence, and that was kind of in the lead up to, or this was like in the midst of austerity and the post, the post 2008 recession, they were able to kind of push that fairly well. Now you're in a situation where I feel like it's kind of insane to kind of be in austerity. I mean, I say it's kind of insane to kind of be an austerity party, but the current Labour Party is very much positioning itself as being that and loves to reinforce that point.

But it does feel kind of insane to be like, okay, we're going to cut funding to even more public services. Do that. So then where do they go? Because if your whole political project was predicated on building the system that when in practice kind of fucked everything up so much that you could no longer insulate yourself from those problems, all you really have left are like various culture wars, which don't really make sense to anyone except for people who are sort of already on board, which is why you then can get this mismatch of things, you know, that range from like,

yeah, wokenness, but also XL bullies, good and also bad. Woke trains, no traffic lights, but also there should be no traffic, but also white people shouldn't have to wait at the reds until the green man shows up. You're a list. It's the abolished bedtime politics, but for conservatives. I mean, it does sort of fundamentally feel it's like a real, you know, them whining that the world has not worked out in the way that they want to. And I think, like during the austerity years where lots of people did have to face the

kind of, you know, had, did have the face to young comforts and did have to like, not even on comforts, they had to really sort of face the complete collapse of their living standards. And now we're sort of at a situation where like, because of the austerity effects everyone, this group of like very rich people who had, I've been able to interlate themselves from these problems for so long, and now facing minor inconveniences in comparison

to like people who have actually been on like the brunt end of austerity, and they're like throwing their toys out of the pram. Maybe we need to use political judo. Maybe we need to use them momentum against each other and simply say, well, if they're throwing their toys out of the pram. Maybe we need to use political judo. Maybe we need to use them momentum against each other and simply say, well, if they're so concerned with the aesthetics of all of these things, let's give it to them, right?

Let's build a racist train. We're gonna have racist HS2, right? You know, the tracks are gonna be in the shape of a swastika. The whole, every seat is gonna be made out of ham, but like, finally, we'll get like, you know, the fucking the right, we'll get behind some high speed rail. And it's like deal with the other stuff later. I just sort of had like one last,

but which is like the whole, so he's like braiding the idea of like a big, of like the, his criticism is that the Tories didn't cut the state enough. And that's what they just, they reduced it, but they didn't re-imagine and privatize it so that like... They did some nice cold cuts, but they didn't likeagine and privatize it so that, like, they did some nice cold cuts, but they didn't like, you know, do the big puck of signing.

We're not quite living in children of men, and I for one find that to be unsatisfactory. But even in his sort of fancy where you sort of like make Britain a giant Zibatsu or whatever, or like, you know, like these, what, like the private company, you know, if you're complaining that the infrastructure projects are too woke and they're kind of like the private, you know, if you're complaining that the infrastructure projects are too woke and they're kind of ruining the countryside.

But like, what do you think the private companies are gonna do? Like, they fucked up all the rivers. Like all the rivers in the countryside that are a very fundamental part of living in the drawing that you exist in where only white people are there and everyone drives at 70 miles an hour. And that's completely fine. They have blue kind of rivers,

and you don't have blue rivers here. They're all filled with shit, and that's not like the fault of immigrants, or like woke EU, the woke EU brewery cats were trying to stop you from doing that. That's very much like what you wanted. You wanted your brown rivers of shit. And now, you know, for, you know, in modern day,

not battle. In modern day, I was trying to come up a bit for that and I could, my brain wasn't fast enough. But you got what you wanted and you're a very upset by it, but you don't really understand why, or you're refusing to understand why you're upset by it. And so this is sort of comes off as just like angry stream of consciousness

that doesn't even sound condensing. Well, you know what, hey, maybe someone will finally try conservatism for Britain and prove you wrong. Well, I'm, yeah, but let's somehow list trust returned. I'm waiting for that. Look, we can only pray, right? At least we'd get someone fun back. You know, anyway, hang on. Come back. Yeah, it's like, oh, we S-A-S-S, mercenary. Yeah, now that he's been trained, yeah, he's gonna get the Johnny Mercer vote.

All right, all right, we're gonna talk about that on the bonus episode, of course. Thank you so much for listening. Happy birthday to Nate as well. Oh, is it today? Oh, thanks. It is today, one more year until he reached the problematic age gap and we have to cut ties with him.

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