TRASHFUTURE - Canadian Jet-Ski Dealership Conservatives feat. Luke Savage and Fraser Watt

Episode Date: July 12, 2018

Riley (@raaleh), Hussein (@HKesvani), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), and special guest Fraser Watt (@fraserwat) speak with Canadian journalist and writer Luke Savage (@LukewSavage) about Ontario’s recently-elected Premier Doug Ford, the right-wing politician that Canadian liberals can only compare to Trump because they’ve forgotten about his moron brother Rob. Additionally, the team takes turns dunking on Theresa May’s Chequers summit and Elon Musk’s dumb toy submarine. In this recording, Luke mentions two groups that deserve your support in Ontario: Fight for 15 and Fairness (https://www.15andfairness.org/) and Black Lives Matter Toronto (https://www.facebook.com/blacklivesmatterTO/). You can commodify your dissent with a t-shirt from http://www.lilcomrade.com/. You can also purchase useful kitchen implements from our socialist cookware sponsor, Vremi (https://vremi.com/). Nate (@inthesedeserts) produced this, wrote the show notes, and has two opinions about podcasts: first, that any episode over 70 minutes is an abomination; second, that any podcast with more than five guests is a Blazin' Squad reunion.

Right. So before we get on with them, with the, with the, with the meaty goss, the meat, the meaty goss, the trash feature, I have an important update for all the boys around here, which is that our special boy, uh, Michael Rotondo, um, he is up to, he's up to something now. So do we remember who Michael Rotondo was? He's the guy with the like the terrible shirts. Like, yeah. No, he's a white Coke. He's the, he's the Michael. Michael Rotondo is, um, the disgraced magician's apprentice who got kicked out of his parents garage. So he's like the 30, he's the 30 year old who was living at his parents house and he got evicted and he took his parents to court. Oh, this crazy thing happened where like he ended up on info wars and like Alex Jones gave him like $3,000, possibly

more than $3,000. And like Alex Jones was trying to recruit him to be an info wars reporter. And he was like, no, I don't want the job, not because he had any like issue with info wars because he didn't want to be, he just didn't, he thought that being a reporter was like too difficult. It was going to distract him from his main calling. It was distracting. Which well, he is too, he has his main calling now is his pending $400,000 lawsuit against Best Buy. Yeah. So, so there was a video that came out from the New York place, which was kind of like, well, what's he up to now? Well, he's behind the music for Michael Rotondo. Kelly McGillis and Michael Rotondo, where are they now?

So he is living in an Airbnb just around the corner from his parents house. He helps like, he helps the woman who lives in the Airbnb with like her gardening and putting up fences and stuff like that. He's suing Best Buy because he basically said Best Buy ruined his life. But why? Well, how did Best Buy ruin his life? Cause this is the best bit. That's this boy. So he said that like, you know, they, so I can't remember what happened with the Best Buy stuff because I'm too distracted by like something he does in the video. So what did he do at the Best Buy thing? Oh no, it's the thing is he was, it's like, like the whole thing really is a lot like an late 90s Christmas movie where he was discriminated against for being a dad.

Yes. Yeah. Wait, is it, is it dad? Yeah, he's a single father. He's being played by Ice Cube. He has like a kid living at his parents house. So he has an eight year old kid, right? And it lives with, he lives with his ex-girlfriend. And he was complaining not only on Info Wars, but on this video as well, that like the courts basically discriminated against him because he was a single male, a single straight male. And that there was this bigger problem of like women gaining custody of like kids and you know, the whole like, you know, you've seen it before in Alex Jones. Alex Jones lost the custody battle. This is like a line which like so many of these people are

like, I know there's this like trope of like, oh, you know, like, oh, how's the divorce going? But like a lot of these people are like, they're really resentful and they're resentful of Family Court. They hate Family Court and now Best Buy, the ally of Family Court. Excuse me, your honor. It's big, big Family Court and big best and big DVD in league. So there's a scene in this video, right? Where he's basically living in another beer there. He's basically living in this bedroom and he's like learning how to do all these very basic things that you should have learned like when he was a teenager. Like Instagramming is breakfast. Like Instagramming is breakfast and not being able to buy a house because he's bought too many

avocados. Oh hell yeah. So one thing, one thing that's like particularly gross in this video is when he cooks chicken in this deep cooker. Is it a deep cooker? It's like, oh, it's a one pot. And so what he does is he puts the cooked chicken back on the same plate with the raw chicken, which you can just tell that's Best Buy and Family Court working together to try and do cultural Marxism by killing our highest IQ individuals. Shilpa Sauras wants to give our best boys Salmonella. And it says this like really bizarre, sad video of him like, hasn't really like gone on like gotten anywhere. No, he's going to get rich. He's going to get rich from Best Buy. And he, yeah, and that's the thing. Because they have, they have all the, all that CD money.

When they asked him like, taking back all my mini discs, when they asked him like, are you going to get a job or are you like, you know, are you looking for work or something? He basically said, no, it was like, I just, I, I work with this woman so that I can live in the house and basically waiting for my Best Buy money to come in. That's the American dream, right? I'm waiting on a big deal with Best Buy. It's going to be a huge deal, folks. I'm making the best deals with Best Buy. Best Buy, Best Buy. They're not, they're not called Bad Buy, guys. Okay. They're called Best Buy. There's a reason for that. All right. So I'm so luxurious. I'm so luxurious. I get everything from Best Buy. I get

my toilet paper from Best Buy. You can't even get toilet paper. The rich president calls it the Best Buy. Solidarity with Michael Rotondo and Nate put in a clip. Now, check out the link. We'll put it on the website. Yo, if you don't forget to like, share and subscribe. And visit, visit my SoundCloud, which is just the audio for the Michael Rotondo video. And welcome back once again to Trashfuture, the podcast where I'm not doing the old slogan intro anymore. I've stopped doing that because it's become something of a gimmick. Why don't we start every show with a haiku instead?

Well, no, because I barely do anything. I don't want to have to write a haiku. I just want to be, I want to be by myself. I want to be left to play civilization. I want to get pretty drunk on show beers. And I want to stop dying of this record breaking worldwide heat wave that's a prelude of things to come as we're all gently sauteed to death because of, you know, people need plastics. Why is climate change happening again? It's not. I mean, the galaxy brain take. Yeah, we're an anti climate change podcast.

No, welcome to our new fifth host, by the way, Scott Pruitt. Do we need to do intros, by the way? He's gone straight into a new job. Climb it's coming home. If you're woke, you'll support the free lions, but if you're really woke, you'll support the trillion line. No, if you're really, if you're really woke, if you're really woke, you'll support England's newest football team for lions from the movie for lions.

One of them is lion Ted. Anyway, god damn it. Fuck in Milo. I swear to God, I'm going to replace you with a fish. I'm I'm Riley. You can find me on Twitter at Raleigh. I'm still getting ads from people mad about about peeing in the beer. Oh, yeah. Just go to the pub in January, like a normal person. Who else? Who else? Who else be here?

I mean, you know what? I'm actually going to do a little differently this this today. I'm going to introduce everybody. It's my job. I'm the I'm the leader of the podcast who say not you. You're the print cat. You might be the leader, but I'm the cala. You have the biggest dick energy. Yeah. No, I missed this whole thing, by the way.

Like this whole I I was kind of like offline for a week or so. And I log back on like everything's so self-referential. And everyone was just like posting BBC news articles about big dick energy. I was like, okay. It's a pretty wild thing to like walk back into. So we have a guy called Richard energy, right? We have an absolute unit. We have with us.

We have with us. Who's saying Kesvani? Hi, are you just going to like, are you just going to use me? I'm doing it now. I'm introducing everybody. Okay. We have who's saying Kesvani. You can follow him on Twitter at hkesvani. We have Milo Edwards.

You can follow him on Twitter at Milo underscore Edwards. He's still back from Russia. Fraser Watt is sitting in who you may remember from never having done this podcast under his own name before, but but has been on. Yeah, you can find me a phrase at phrase what on Twitter? That's one T because the one with two T's is actually a Russian book. It's posted like three times in the last like four years. It's really annoying.

I want that account. And then our special guest, big boy, Canada, fucking the only six God I represent, represent, respect. Jordan Peterson right here. My man, my man, my man, Luke Jordan Peterson, savage, journalist and no Peterson and leftist Canada poster extraordinaire podcast host. He's the works. What's up, guys?

Thanks for having me. Who in Canada is it? Who in who in Toronto like isn't a podcast host? I'm a podcast. Actually, I think I think podcasting is sort of just arrived in in Canada. I think it's pretty new. Like we're due for irony arriving here. That's probably in the next six to 12 months.

It's not here yet. Oh, should we go to do a tour in Canada? The Brown Peterson tour. Yeah, we can we can we can bring all of our like esoteric British politics takes. They'll love it. Oh, yeah. So I have one one dumb Silicon Valley thing, a bunch of British politics stuff. And Luke knows actually about British politics because he's here a bunch.

Poor thing. It's the I'm so sorry you have to know about this. And then we're going to get into some Ontario politics. My home area, my home area. Which is now under the grip of a very cool dude. Extremely cool guy. And any initial thoughts on our friend Douglas before we jump into all the content? It's I don't know.

It's pretty bad. Like, you know, in these in these perilous times, I find like I often oscillate pretty hard back and forth between like extreme irony that I use to try to like make myself feel better and just utter terror. And I think today I'm sort of back on the like terror part of the cycle. I don't know. It's scheduled you for the day. We were trying to get you on an irony day.

Yeah, sorry, but that might be tomorrow. I don't know. It's like it was there was this really weird purgatory after the election where we're like, holy fuck, Doug Ford actually won. But then there was like these two or three blissful weeks where nothing was actually happening because like the new government hadn't been sworn in yet. And then this week things really started, you know, I don't know, kicking into high gear. Like, you know, they're like they're like withdrawing cooperation on asylum seekers.

Like turns out Doug Ford seems to have gotten himself like personally involved in some way and like stopping a homeless shelter getting built that was like near his mother's house. Oh, so just like Jeff Bezos, Doug Ford like chaining himself to the fence in front of a home. It's like no homes for the home. Well, well, you guys should look after. There's a famous clip of the late great Rob Ford rest in power talking about a homeless shelter. Like there was a consultation or something for a homeless shelter is going to be built in his ward and he stood up in city council and like you have never seen a man this mad.

He is like so righteously angry at the idea of a homeless shelter being built in his ward. We can't have more homeless, they'll buy all the crack. And then what will I smoke? Yeah, so he's like the like equally awful but straight-edge brother of the old mayor. He's a little more he's a little more with it. Like he's all he's often been seen as like the competent one. Like they're both like they're both rich boys, right? They inherited their daddy's business, which makes like little labels.

Like, you know, when you go to the supermarket or the Tesco's as you guys would say, and you know, you buy like some meat and it has like a little label on it. Like they make that and apparently that's a really lucrative business. So they inherited that, but apparently like Rob Ford didn't really do anything because he didn't really have much of a business savvy. Whereas like Doug was the guy doing all the heavy lifting like the signing of the checks and all the other hard work that's involved in like inheriting your dad's business. So yeah, he's a little more like RSI from side.

I mean, it's just like the chocolate brothers really, right? No, I was going to say he's he's Laurel to Rob Ford's Hardy, essentially. Which one of the chocolate brothers was on crack? But that little Barry on that. That's the intro. We're going to be talking about Ontario's reactionary government after we run through some other terrible dump. To this message from our sponsors after this message from our sponsor,

Elon Musk, who has decided he's going to save the Thai boys in the cave. Oh, hell yeah. Basically, Elon Musk has, as far as I can tell, decided that he's going to approach the problem of the that the Thai sort of early teenage soccer team stranded in a cave below like lots of water and craggy rocks and sharp edges and whatever. By filling a bouncy castle, like a long bouncy castle into the cave, because he is an experienced tunneller who has almost two years of owning a company that's themed around tunnelling and hasn't done any tunnelling.

Elon Musk is actually a mole. A lot of people don't know that. Yeah, I mean, like it's one of those things where, you know, Elon Musk does does know some things about engineering. I know nothing about engineering. So I'm not going to necessarily say that I don't I don't know how you should rescue boys out of an underwater cave. That's not really my space.

Like they didn't really come up. I mean, you can just leave it to professionals, right? I mean, that's definitely, that's definitely like, yeah, step one. Step one, leave it to professional boy rescuers. Yeah, but not, maybe not professional. Not if they have like long hair and are wearing a satin tracksuit. That's the thing. Why are we going to like?

Now then, now then, now then, what's it with all these boys in a cave? Like no, anyone like that? Don't, don't let them. It's, it's, if Elon, if Elon Musk is going to do it, like I'm sure that he's going to be very safe and careful about it just like he is with his factories. Oh yeah. But it would be better for the boys to die in a sort of Laurel and Hardy style accident than just by asphyxiating in a cave.

Like, yeah, they got them all the way out of the cave and then a piano fell on them. And again, it's it through underwater passages that are 70 centimeters in diameter is to insert a one meter diameter bouncy castle tube. I mean, like the wildest thing about this whole like plan that's come up with is like it's only via tweets. It's just like him, like one-handedly toilet tweeting stuff like maybe worth trying and then like some stuff. And it's like sub-tweeting the Thai government.

And it's like maybe. Like he's not even sure about it. There are probably many complexities that are hard to appreciate without being there in person. Like this isn't his area of expertise. Have you tried switching the cave off and on again? And then obviously like he'll tweet at the Thai government and you have loads of people in like the replies to his tweet being like, wow, like just arguing over whether he's more like Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark.

It's like the dumbest time to be alive ever. And then someone else is like, he has spider-man sense of humor. It's like they're like children trapped in a tunnel and they're like, oh, yeah. But like spider-man, the only thing worse than Elon Musk tweets are the really like earnest, impressed replies to the tweets, like from from his fans. Because those people, like it's hard to believe they actually exist. He actually has like a more insane fandom than like One Direction. Ironically, they're all the people who think that like the One Direction fans are like gay as hell.

That would be like the take of like the, no, they're like little girls. And I'm like a cool, I know, but science. I like, I follow, I fucking love science on Facebook. And I like Elon Musk because he's like Iron Man or Spider-Man or some shit that isn't real. I mean, this is like the only real horseshoe theory, right? Like One Direction and Elon Musk. No, I'm saying that the One Direction fans are way smarter than Elon Musk. Like the One Direction fans are like a lot, like at least they have a certain degree of like self-awareness.

At least they understand what sphere One Direction operating. Like no one's like tweeting at Harry Styles like, please raise the One Direction signal. Harry Styles, now that's something I'd watch. Harry Styles saves the Thai boys in the cave. Thai is his fucking hair back. Swims down there. It's the, I mean, I like breast feeds them when he gets them out. But what I love about this is like, it's just our entire society for the last sort of,

I don't know, 40 years ever since the 70s has been dedicated to kind of building up and flattering people like Musk to the point where he genuinely believes that with his fucking, with a bouncy castle, he's going to be able to like, you know, basically do an impossible feat of engineering because he has a company that has a pun. I'm just imagining a board man with a van shouting at the kids in the cave, take your shoes off. No pushing. I mean, that's the worst thing about it all is that like the boring company wasn't a good

joke before he copyrighted it and nothing becomes more funny. Once you like legally put it into like copyright, it's his whole approach to building shit is like, I'm basically going to pour a bunch of money into stuff that's going to be able to fail all the time. I'm going to sell Mike Cernovich a flamethrower. That was the whole point. And then, and, and, you know, it's just, he's got his mindset. He's like, yeah, I can, I can, I can rescue these 12 children.

I have a wacky idea. I'm going to, I'm just going to do my Willy Wonka thing. And then, you know, they're all, Elon Musk and Motley, it's that they're all, it's that he's going to put in his bouncy house and then like it's going to expand and expand and expand. And then it's going to be like, oh, no, okay. A couple of children were crushed against the wall, but we did manage to save their phones.

I mean, yeah, it's like the challenge of disaster part two, some point in the next couple of years, it's like directly going to be Elon Musk. I cannot wait until Elon Musk takes over all the public transportation. And then the question isn't, will we have another challenge or disaster? The question becomes, how many challenger disasters do we have per day? The question will be, how many like special edition comics are on board? The challenge of disaster when it blows up. It would be great if Elon Musk like invented some stupid contraption

to rescue the kids. And then accidentally it's like, well, we didn't rescue them, but we did send them all into space. All right. That's the cap around that segment. Luke, thank you for being the swift assassin on that one. I got two more bits of British politics I want to run through, and then we're going to go back to Ford Nation.

So as well as our British listeners will know, as our American listeners might not, one of the last affordable shopping centers in all of central London in the neighborhood of Elephant and Castle is basically, it's been condemned to destruction at this point to make way for, wait for it, wait for it, what's it going to be replaced with? Luxury flats. Oh hell yeah. London's really short of luxury flats.

I wish there were more. It's the one thing that it definitely needs more of. Have you ever been, I guess we've all been to the Elephant and Castle shopping center, right? I never have. I actually haven't. Does that make me a bad leftist? Yes. Yes.

No, we're really showing our answers here. So let me make you exactly the same as all the other leftists. Let me describe the Elephant and Castle shopping center, because I go through it most mornings on my way to work. And I... The same as a man of the people. And therefore that does make me work in class. He sees his subjects.

It's a very interesting place because it does sort of feel like a dystopia. It feels like you've kind of stepped back in time sort of, right? So if you go into the shopping center, you know, you're not going to find like H&M's and Primarchs and stuff. You're going to find like, you know, discount clothing stores where most of the stuff, you know, comes from, you know, most of it is like knockoffs from like Pakistan. Oh no, that's where... I think that's where Uba Butler went shopping before faking that he was a fashionista in Paris Fashion Week.

So he went to a market, but a lot of the clothes that go to those, but a lot of the clothes that you see in the markets are also sold in there as well. You know, there's a lot of like empty space because there's a lot of like shops that have closed down. There's a couple of like cafes that have been going for a long time. And there's also like, like, you know, internet cafes and like a couple of learning centers. So like the busiest places in that shopping center are learning centers where like the local, like local people within the area can go like pick up new skills or like, you know, basically equip themselves to find new jobs.

Elephant in Castle is a very interesting place because opposite that shopping center is like all the art schools. So you've got like the London College of Arts. I think there's another one there as well. And immediately like outside you see like the huge building, you know, these huge like luxury flats. They basically like dominate the Elephant in Castle Castle skyline. So it's like this really kind of strange juxtaposition. And I think that's kind of what's made this, you know, made this thing so powerful. You know, the fact that you can basically see what the consequence of this is going to be. All the kind of like small markets around that shopping center where they sell like fruits,

vegetables, they have like a very lively Saturday market. You know, that will all like go if they're going to like do this development. So like a lot of the stuff that like makes this local area like a local area is going to go just to kind of make it like another generic part of London. And this is where like the elephant and I don't know, have you seen like the plans for like they're going to like they take like shipping containers. I've got the I actually have it in front of me. It is that the the council's policy on new developments is that it should be 35% affordable

housing with 50% at social rent. However, what's happened is that in the sort of selling off of this of this estate that includes this this shopping center, the approved project includes like two thirds of the affordable housing required. So it's it's not even replacing a place that had community with a place people can afford to live. It's replacing community with yet more luxury flats, which which again, thank God. But Riley, I mean, if I live in a luxury flat on Elephant and Castle, what else should I look at apart from other luxury flats? That's what you bought.

Exactly. Yeah, I bought the opportunity to be in a luxury flat and look at another luxury flat, which is basically a kind of luxury flat threesome. So that's that's the situation that what we have, which is there is yet another tale of London being made shittier by so called regeneration. Can we talk about like the actual flats themselves? Because I don't know if you know, I mean, I know nothing about my hot water has been off for weeks. Luxury my anus. There's a serious point in this about like how poorly like these new builds are actually made,

right? So I've got friends who like live in new builds, like whether they bought them, whether they live them and live in them and stuff. And like, you know, you go into the flat and everything looks like really nice and well done. But in order to kind of meet the demands that developers put that local government puts on property developers, they kind of like build these luxury flats like very, very quickly and very, very cheaply as well. So you're also creating like really shitty housing too, right? Stuff that like, you know, rich people will be able to live in for like maybe two, three years, then sell off their portion, you know, because their argument is that, you know, this housing can be used for like a long time and we can kind of, you know,

as time goes on and people move out, we can, you know, increase the level of social housing, which I don't know whether that's the case in elephant and castle, but that's definitely been kind of said in areas of like Lamberth and areas of North, like North London. And I love how it's worked out that way every time. Yeah. Yeah. So the argument is that they're going to build these luxury flats for, I guess, to house like wealthy, centrist, management problems or something. And then after two or three years, they're going to fall apart and then poor people can have them. Like that's the argument for these. Well, they don't want to admit that like it's going to fall apart, right?

Right. But, you know, even property developers kind of say that like you should not be looking at like buying new build flats unless like you really have to. So even they kind of lack faith in like how solid this is. So like solid flats are like a sort of pinata and the poor people should be smashing them with baseball bats until the rich people fall out and then they can go live inside them. Yes. Yes, that's exactly what they should be doing. It's just like you're building property of really, really cheap and shitty material. Well, that's why I love kind of getting rid of like long and trans communities in order to do so. Yeah. That's what I love. That's what I love the most actually about the private housing market is that you pick what you love the most. I mean, yeah.

Okay. It is just, you know, it's if we didn't have the profit incentive, then how would we create a plastic modular kitchen that, you know, falls apart if you look at it? It's my right under capitalism to live in a house that's made out of cardboard and gum. And you know what? It's I love to support the genius billionaires who are putting it all together for me. Like love to support my own house because it's falling down. I mean, I think it's like, so this has happened across London, obviously, but it's like they're all so in Haringate, right? Right. Oh yeah. There's a block of flats. I can't remember whereabouts in Haringate, but essentially like HDV, bitch. Oh, no, no, no. This is like a completely different thing to HDV.

So there's a state which was inspected and was deemed to be like unsuitable, like condemned for like you. It's like literally unsafe to live in by law. Rightfully, actually, like they had to sort of like, you know, it had to be rebuilt in some way. Now that the obviously there was the whole like scare stories last year. It's like, oh, there's this big purge of the left. It's like bullying because people are like elect and have different councils wherever. So this is now really with the exception of like a couple of places outside of London, which people don't really pay attention to because all the journalists have been London. This is like the first like Corbyn Easter Council, right? So what they have done is they have done things like, oh, it has to be like

replaced for like for like, if one gets right for return, you know, like the rent is going to stay the same. Obviously, if they have to upgrade to like more rooms, it increases a bit. But like there is going to be not rent caps, but you know, you're going to be paying the same for the same thing as before. But when this gets rebuilt, it won't be illegal to put people in there because it's falling apart, basically. So like, they're even under like the current system, there is a sort of like less shitty way of doing it. Just it's a failure with the labour left not to clear these people out. I mean, like clear the councils out, not the people who live there. Well, actually, that that brings that brings me we kind of buried the lead on this one

because Neil Neil Coyle, just one of the best back bench labour MPs. He's up there with Jess Phillips and John Woodcock of just real quality MP John Woodcock. I'm so happy. I'm so happy about that every day. Still still sitting MP for ISIS though. Justice in Development MP John Woodcock. No, it's but no, Neil Coyle is up there. He's like almost as good as Sarah champion. What names these people have? Neil Coyle and Sarah champion. John Woodcock or penis penis penis as well. Yeah, one of the one of the Faraday labour branch very rightfully condemned the the council's basically decision to turn more of London into pretz and luxury flats that are never occupied.

And they did so by sort of making criticism under the law and of the plan. And Neil Coyle's response is what a sad bunch of bullies shameful treatment of a wait for it white working class woman counsellor. Sorry, white, comma, working class, shameful treatment of a white counsellor, caps lock, white working class. Have these people know race? It's never a good sign when when I was just saying it's never good sign when when like an MP tweets something like that. And like if you were, you know, an out of town or you wouldn't know if they were Labour or UKIP. Also, like Neil Coyle is the MP for Bermansy, right? This isn't like, you know, like,

I don't know, sorry, somewhere, you know, this isn't like Horsham town. This is like a very diverse place. So for him to be like, it's like, it's a weird thing to say, right? But even in like the most sort of like, if you're going to give him like as much leeway as you possibly can, but like the best thing you can say about it is it's weird. Shameful treatment of this of this working class female counsellor who by the way is five foot eight. It's also like the bullying thing. Like the thing with the Labour right to this day and like the Labour Party is a whole like pre 2015 is like the most sycophantic and like dumb people like raised to the top. Like I mean, they're attack. So so like obviously I am older

now, but when I was like young after being included is like young Labour. I was on a young Labour right wing dominated young Labour committee where the left were accused of quote unquote demonising landlords. The person who said that is now a counsellor in London. Landlord is a slur. It's great. It's great how like amidst all the political turmoil of Brexit and whatever, there's like every three or four weeks, my impression of UK politics is that there's just like a regularly scheduled moral panic because like leftists on Twitter are calling people like a melt or a gammon or centrist dad. Like, oh yeah, like Britain has the the

twist most like sensitive political class in the world. They called me a centrist hamlord. I think it's because they're look, I've said this before and I'll say it again, is that Liberals are fundamentally positivists. And so when they think that they have some exclusive claim to knowledge that somehow totemic and that they're it can just be known and that any liberal believes that the ideal political party would just get 100% of the vote the form of the political party. Yeah. And so we inhabit the cave. So they see dis they basically see disagree like liberals see any kind of disagreement with them as like personal because they don't understand how anyone could be ideologically different from them. I mean psychological,

right? Like the entire Labour right came up through Labour students. So they were the kind of people to wear suits to like freshers week. Like, you know, like these are the kind of people that we're like dealing with. Are you saying that people who didn't do that? Bear in mind that these guys went to Oxbridge. Sorry. Sorry for that. I like to say they went to the most Tory University of all. Oxbridge isn't a slur. You have to wear suits. I'm woven by choice. And you have the audacity to come to me for help now. Well, you were out partying. I studied for 18 hours at a time. I studied the suit.

I tidied my room. Yeah. No. So, um, yeah. Anyway, Neil, Neil, Neil Coyle just really showing out well for the party here. Just re-elect, like de-select. Yeah. De-select. Two fucking two. Get rid. There is a conference going to the 2019 Labour Party National Conference on mandatory re-selection of MPs. Just saying. Just saying. When girls on Tinder don't get my jokes, I just type in de-selected before I unmatch them. Can you say what a sad bully you are? What a sad bully you are. Shameless treatment.

Bullying a white middle-class man. In a suit, no lats. Yeah. You can't see this, but I am wearing a suit. Believe me. Dude, you're wearing a shirt of a guy picking his nose. And also a fancy watch. Fuck off with that. It's my dad's watch. Laura's going to call us a liberal again. No, liberal. It's not just a liberal. Don't pretend to me that you don't have fancy taste in things.

You have far fancier taste than I do. I do not have fancy taste. 10 times as much money than me, and you always have less disposable income. Fancier than me. No, it's because I invest in various futures. You're the only person I know who has free syllable cheeses in their fridge regularly. I invest in track suits. I made some serious... Stur-ilton.

The track suit market is very bullish. I've invested in track suit futures. It's actually just three lines on a graph going up and down. I think just to close this particular topic, right, that Neil Coyle has the same idea of what Labour's constituencies sort of naturally ought to be as the economist, which also recently published an article today called Labour is no longer the party of the traditional working class. And when they say... Oh, I love the traditional working class of Mary Poppins.

Exactly. Well, it's... I mean, they use that model where it's like... It's like ABC1 and wherever where it's like, accountants are working class, but people who work on zero hour contracts in supermarket are middle class. That is the definition of... I think it's like from the 40s or something. If that's your definition of what's middle or working class, then you're mad? Well, yeah. It's Jamie Corbyn once introduced a tax on people jumping up and clicking their heels together. Well, it's that Neil Coyle and the economist together both see the working class basically

as a ruddy faced coal miners and not like graphic designers on zero hours contracts who are struggling to pay their rent in zone three, right? It's like the liberal idea of what the working class is is so incredibly... The liberal idea of class is like... Class is a lifestyle choice. They only understand it in relation to these cultural signifiers. So the only way to be correctly working class is... Yeah, like to be like a coal miner in the 1950s, like living in Yorkshire, right? Whereas class... It all goes back to that David Brooks taco article, right?

Did you guys see that? Oh, I read it. Are we talking about the David Brooks afraid of prosciutto article or is this a different David Brooks article? Yeah, the afraid of prosciutto article where... So he and his friend who I guess was of less noble breeding or whatever. No, he is cleaner. Anyone's afraid of Donnie Prosciutto. He's crazy.

She didn't recognize any of the trendy Italian words on the menu. So then he's kind of almost getting to a point where he's like, Oh, wait a minute, we live in a stratified society. But then his solution instead of fully automated luxury socialism is, Oh, we'll go and get tacos instead because that's like a plebeian cuisine that she can understand. Well, yeah, it's the... And that's the other thing, right? It's like, it's the... Because their idea of class is all cultural signifiers, then like, you know, someone who is like Rob Ford can be seen as working class.

Because he's like... Because he's like, I don't know Italian meats. You know what I know is baloney sandwiches like my mother used to make me. I mean, it's the new statements like favorite take, right? Like anyone who drinks, you know, one pound coffee is middle class. But like... A lot of soup. The whole like coffee is middle class thing is just like... Don's, do you prefer your coffee?

It's a class as a cultural choice rather than economic reality. And for Neil Coyle and for the economist, class is a cultural choice. And so the Elephant and Castle development is just... Oh, you're some kind of... Oh, you just... You just... You're just against a working class woman who's white, by the way, getting her way. Because actually you're the real sexist. All the working class people are moving into luxury flats.

Why does the economist all of a sudden care about the working class? You know, the tone of that article was so kind of like concerned, truly like, oh, labor is not the party of the working class, like single tier. It's like, that's the thing is like the services industry is now 80% of Britain's economy. So fucking... Of course, no one has coal on their face anymore, because the working class are doing things that you would have imagined in the 1990s, as the professional class. The course into workers.

I mean, I don't hate myself. So I didn't read the article, but like, what was their solution? Oh, no, they were just doing a little bit of anthropology. They were just saying that, hey, you know what? Actually Corbin's a middle class candidate, because he's from Islington and grew up on the matter. Yeah, one of the like, which has one of the highest rates of poverty in Islington. Yeah.

Islington, which has like one of the highest rates of poverty in like Britain. Yeah. Yeah. No, it is just absolute... Does also have one of the highest rates of wankers to be fair. I definitely know where people are coming from. Ooh, baby. We're... I have one more British thing,

which I want to run through real fast, and then we're going to go trans-Atlantic, which is that Theresa May... Right. By the way, Fraser was the assassin on that one. Thank you. Which is that Theresa May has decided to have her cabinet meeting on sort of the terms that Brexit deal they're going to negotiate, which includes certain parts of membership of the EEA, a rejection of the single, a rejection of freedom of movement. Will cheese still be allowed?

It is utterly unacceptable to the European Commission. They've already made that clear, but they're having the meeting anyway at checkers, which is very hard to reach. Oh, this is a bit like, you know, when the NUS has one of those meetings about whether they approve of Israel or not. And it's like, well, you don't really get to decide. It's like, we decide what will be good for the European Commission, whether the European Commission will have said no.

So essentially, the thing I want to highlight about this, we all know the deal won't work, but the deal is not hard enough for Boris Johnson. It's not hard enough for me, to be honest. I've gone on the record as like a full blown bike. But that's something you did anyway. Well, essentially, they're basically driving everybody into the countryside. And then if they don't agree with the deal and resign their position as a front bench minister, then they will lose their ministerial cars and be stranded.

So when they come in, everyone has to put the keys to their ministerial car in the bowl. Okay, so like my take on this is that the problem with that entire sort of like strategy is that they're members of the Conservative Party. If Corbyn did the next Parliamentary Labour Party meeting like that, I would be very happy. Oh, yeah. Just like leave Jess Phillips and Chuck Romana like stranded in, I don't know, like the Lake District or something.

Oh, right. I'm very, look, don't get me wrong. I'm very excited for Buckinghamshire Love Island. Chuck Romana tri-ass-lonning his way back to London. I hate every... Wait, this is Tory Love Island, isn't it? Yeah, it's Tory Love Island. Ian Duncan-Smith looking like Keketishly at David Davis across the long now deserted table.

No, David Davis would couple up with Esther McVeigh. David Davis going like, I'm not a slut, all right. I'm not a slut, but like there is something there. So I just want to see like, you know, she's got a cracking personality. She's got a good boss. I just want to know what's going on there. Is that your impression of like an... What's that even?

My impression of David Davis. David Davis. What are you implying, Riley? That's not a good impression of David Davis. David Davis on Love Island. My question to you listeners, do any of you know what David Davis sounds like? No. No, you don't.

Don't write in. Milo here suggesting the concept of truth is philosophically controversial. I mean, it is. It is. It's not wrong. Yeah. The concept of truth is very controversial to David Davis. Who doesn't even know what truth is?

No. No, he is SAS trained. He knows how to take people out. So I was just thinking like, because David Davis gets stranded. He's going to go full Rambo. He's going to be drinking his own piss. Crouching in a lay by and grotting a trucker. Like I'm not good with names and also all these people looking exactly the same.

So like, I can't tell them apart, but this is the guy who... So he was like running some spiel about how he's, you know, best like place to do all this because he's like, he was in the army once, which is like, you know, it's a bit from like the UK office pretty much. And then like some journalist was like, oh yeah, I was at like some journalist party with him and he was just like looking out into the horizon. And we were like, are we looking at... And he's like, oh, I'm just like surveying the territory for, you know, if we were to be like

invaded and he's trying to do this like big hard man like... No, no, no. What was that amazing article about when... He's guy who practices with his katana in the university quad. No, no, no. There was that amazing article. Anime guys at school, like... Yeah, he's an anime guy.

He's like, I learned how to fence this out. Yeah, there was that amazing article where someone got a quote. Someone got a quote from someone who was in the territorial... The territorial SAS, like the SAS only does like overseas operations, but he was in the territorial SAS. Anyway, um... Dad's Special Forces. Basically, yeah.

Who's the father for justice? Don't tell him, Pike. But yeah, there was someone who was in there with him who said that when he was commanding this like platoon of territorial SAS on an exercise, he got them to like to ambush by crouching on either side of a road. So that when they popped up to shoot the enemy, they would just shoot at each other. Which is something that would like only work when Age of Empires. Only...

No, it would only work in Age of Empires, the Tory cabinet. Like it's a... It's... It is... Brexit, please. It's incredible that all of these people are being stranded in a situation like the young adult novel series Hatchet. I cannot wait for them to have to survive by themselves.

You know, your politics is a good idea when you have to threaten members of your own party and to agreeing with it by saying you won't give them a lift home. Also, like all of these people are millionaires? It's nice having your dad does. Like getting all these like Uber... Holy shit, they're all millionaires. Anyway, that's Britain. Luke, how's Ontario?

Oh man, it's much the same. It's really hot. Everyone's watching soccer. And there's a reactionary right-wing government in power. So... The Ontario is B.I.G. You guys should feel very at home here. The Ontario is B.I.G.

So we've heard a little bit... I think that would be a saying in speed. We've heard a little bit about Doug Ford. So just a little bit of background. How do you think that basically like... Again, because this is so Canadian, right? Which is that because a lot of the Trump comparisons that people tend to draw, I think are really stupid.

Like anyone who compares Lopez Obrador to Trump, I think is a complete smooth brain. Does he tweet and block caps? No. Right? Like I think anyone who compares Corbin to Trump is a smooth brain, Bernie to Trump is a smooth brain, et cetera.

Doug Ford is actually comparable to Trump. Right? Yeah. I mean, like the only thing I don't like about the comparison is just it's part of this thing in Canada where we sort of have no political imagination that's our own. So we have to compare everything. Like everything has an American analogue.

And part of that is sort of like how American liberals are obsessed with painting Trump as like somehow a phenomenon imposed by Russia because they refuse to grapple with the fact that their own society and culture and politics like produce this. So yeah, Doug Ford is like Trump in some ways, but he's also like very, very Canadian, you know?

So how is he especially Canadian, this Doug Ford phenomenon? And then I kind of want to ask you what he's intending to do. Sure. Well, he's, I mean, he's Canadian just in the sense that he is very provincial. Like he has all the same godness and sort of like exaggerated behavior as Trump and the sort of like, you know, self-conscious,

embrace of anti-intellectualism and all that kind of stuff. But then just imagine that, but on the scale of like a small and kind of modest suburb, you know? It's like that's what Doug Ford is. You know what it is? Doug Ford isn't Trump. Doug Ford's a Trump voter. Yeah, that's exactly right.

Like I think there's this whole narrative about, you know, which I'm sure you guys have talked about, you know, in the United States around like the white working class and how they're to blame for Trump. And then like, you know, whereas like, you know, the average Trump voter is much more just like, you know, an upper middle class person with, you know, maybe a college degree and a mean streak.

Like if you guys have never seen like this sort of all right home improvement where Tim Allen, it's, I think it's called last man standing, where Tim Allen plays like, you know, this conservative dad that works at a sporting goods store, you know, and is just like effortlessly make six figures, like not even being the manager of the sporting goods store. Like that's what Trump voters like.

And yeah, Doug Ford is pretty much that, except with like labels that go on, you know, food packets. So in Ontario, that's what we have. And I think one of the things to remember is that Doug, is that Doug Ford's, Doug Ford's fatter, dumber, thankfully deader brother, Rob was elected by almost a perfect divide of the suburbs versus downtown. On the basis again, that downtown contains all the elites

and the suburbs contain all the working class, despite the fact that the suburbs are actually made up of like people who own boutique IT consultancies or whatever, who will help you set up Salesforce, but like hate all the Indians they employ. Yeah, I mean, like, you know, that, that, that sort of, I don't know, you know, lower income, you know, kind of suburban voter does exist and it backs,

you know, it backs the Rob Ford mayoralty. The thing is so did all the rich people like this, like all the, all the rich people that will vote for whoever the most conservative candidate, you know, is in every election. Of course, like they voted, you know, it's, it's like, it's like UKIP, you know, it's like a cross class coalition between like, you know, angry racist poor people

and angry racist rich people, you know. Yeah. Voting for a man in a flat cap who dresses like Rupert the bear. I mean, at the end of the day, it's like the same thing with like Corbin in the 2017 election. It's the same thing with like, Ocasio-Cartez in the, I'm probably like butchering New York, New York primary the other day,

where it's like, you don't win by like winning over sort of like on, you know, unrepentant racists. You win by like turning out people who don't think anything. Rightfully think the system doesn't work for them. Like you turn out non-voters and that's how you win because like the sort of like rich reactionaries, they have at least one candidate they can vote for in their like class interests, right?

And there are like five of them. Yeah. Yeah, there are like five rich people. Why would you expect they're going to be electorally? It's like, that's why rich people vote because their interests are like, you know, like they're on the ballot paper. Yeah. Let's make socialism work for people who are in jet ski dealerships.

25 cc socialism. Hell yeah. I don't understand how big an automated luxury gay space jet skis. I don't understand how big an engine is. Is 25 cc big? No, it's like, I mean, it's small for a motorbike. I don't know about jet ski. I don't know anything about jet skis or motorbikes.

Do not message me about the Trump comparisons. So like during like during Trump's like election campaign, though his like actual, you know, like devil in the details, economic plan was like incredibly like right wing and like favored, you know, rich people basically, like his rhetoric was like, he just like kept on talking about like jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. Like was Rob Ford the same? Not the Rob Ford, his dog Ford by Doug Ford.

Yeah. Like was that the thing or was he just like, did you just pick up the sort of like racism and then run with it basically? Yeah. I mean, so there is that sort of like small P populism of, you know, let's make Ontario great again, all that kind of stuff. Although I would say that for Ford, it was more like, Ford is more conventionally conservative, I suppose, than Trump in that like,

he talks a lot about like the deficit and shit like that. It's so laughable. Oh, so he's a nerd basically. Yeah. It was all just like government spending is out of control and we have to cut the deficit, you know, like initially it looked like the, you know, the right in this province was going to run like a much more kind of like, I don't know, culturally kind of culturally oriented campaign where they were going to complain about political correctness and stuff.

But then they got cold feet on that. So they reverted to that hallowed conservative theme, spending being out of control and the provincial deficit. But that's the thing you got to remember, right? Like is that every, is that of all three countries in which we're interested, the states, Canada and the UK, all of these, all of these parties, fuck you Australia, all of these parties will pick something to run on, whether it's the deficit, whether it's I'm angry that, you know, there's more than one brown person in my neighborhood

and they're not just wearing a turban and being a stereotype, or whether it's like, my kids hate me or whatever. The right wing parties run on one of those and every time they get into power, they do the same thing, which is jack up the deficit, blow a hole in the budget and engage in a massive wealth transfer to the wealthiest, like two people in society. Love to jack up and blow. Actually, like with Ford, he's been very nonspecific about how he's going to eliminate the deficit. Like they didn't release a proper platform.

The one thing that they were not cage on was all the taxes they're going to cut. So, you know, it's like they, the one thing they'll be up front about is like, here, rich people, here's all the money you're going to have if you elect us. So, where's like the Ontario left in this? So, obviously, it's like 2018, you know, like left or right. Like you don't want to be like, oh, populism of the left, populism of the right, because they're like qualitatively different things. But like there isn't the sort of like, oh, we'll cut the deficit.

Like doesn't really cut it unless there's like no real opposition. So like where is like the only, I mean, I know like two Canadian people and I both asked them, like, what's happening with the Canadian left? They both said, I don't really follow the Canadian left. So, like, what's happening with that? Well, actually, you know, the Ontario election was kind of encouraging because the Ontario NDP, which is the Social Democratic Party, actually came pretty close to winning the election.

They finished just a few points behind the Conservatives. And the, so the Ontario has been governed basically by like technocratic West Wing liberals since 2003. And they spoiled the election by basically in the last two weeks, when they realized that they were finished and they were going to finish with like their worst result in 100 years, they pivoted to sort of this hard right, like union bashing thing, where they basically said that, you know, on one side of us, we have like the Conservatives who will cut.

And on the other side, we have the NDP who will let the unions run the province. Whereas like, if you, if you elect us, we will guarantee to crush the striking teaching, teaching assistants at like York University. And like, you know, so they kind of, they kind of decided they wanted to drag everyone else down with their failing political brand. And that is kind of what helped Ford get by and win the election, which was very frustrating. I love, I love, I love the Ontario Liberal Party. And the way it's like, you know how we're going to excite people

by reminding them it's not what I want to be at that debate of the Ontario Liberal Party anyway. I want to be at that debate where it's like, it's like Doug Ford going, cut the deficit. And then is the Ontario left is going like, better living sense to everyone. And it's like, and now from the Ontario Liberal Party, Skeletor, crush them. Crush them all. Yeah. Well, it's like Trudeau's boys.

Yeah. Yeah. It's all the liberals. I like the Skeletor guy. It's like, he's like, it's like, it's like, it's like the Ontario Liberals, like the only that's right. They only appeal to West Wing nerds because they're like, no, both sides are wrong and riven with ideology. Politics isn't something you should get excited about.

It's something that should be left to the professionals. And they're great campaign slogan. Yeah. So the ironically named Kathleen Wynn essentially has, has just handed the election to Doug Ford because liberals lose. Wait, am I right? Because I think the thing that we haven't spoken about is the only person who can stop the Ford, the Ford dynasty.

And that's the number one six God, Drake, right? Like I feel like that's, that's going to be like that's effectively Toronto politics for, you know, the next decade is going to be a fight between like Degrassi alumni and the Ford dynasty. Yo, Skeletor doesn't even respect his mother. I mean, it's a, it's a Drake Peterson run next time, right? Drake and I are going to return balance. There's so many weird people coming out of Toronto. And like I'm, I'm, I'm Canadian, but I come from Vancouver, right?

I don't think there's actually that like many interesting people in Vancouver anymore. Or like all the, all the interesting Canadian people seem to be coming from, from Toronto now. Who are the interesting Canadian people? So Jordan Peterson, Drake, can you name a third? Besides myself, of course. Justin Bieber. Yeah, he's, he's interesting. No, I mean, he left like, he left Toronto years ago, didn't he?

He's for everyone, he's for everyone. Everyone leaves Toronto. Brian Adams. Alanis Morissette. She's going to be the one to make everything okay. Isn't that ironic when you, when you vote, when you vote for the left, but all you get is a reactionary fat guy as the, as the liberal candidate is crushed by 10,000 spoons has, has, has, has Jordan Peterson like endorsed Rob Ford at all?

Or not Rob, the Doug Ford? I mean, has he also endorsed Rob Ford? Hi, IQ. We're just smoking that much coke. You like have to clean your room smoking that. Okay, so actually it's a slightly serious question based on the fact that like the actual left in Ontario experienced a huge surge at the expense of the liberals installing the conservatives, if not beating them.

What do you think the Ontario left has to do in the next couple of years of living in, you know, austerity, Tory hellscape? I think like, I think more of the same and just maybe get a little bit angrier because, you know, the campaign was very good in terms of proposing like, you know, it's cut, you know, in some ways, not unlike Labour's campaign, right? Like in 2017, like, you know, if you elect us big, big new social programs, like the way you deal with the cost of living crisis is you give people better services, you don't cut things.

I think like, if I had a friendly criticism, I would say I wish the campaign had amped up sort of the anger directed at like Ontario's elites because I think if the left doesn't do that, then it's left to kind of politicians like Ford who are members of the elite, they get to cannibalize that language. And I don't think that's helpful. It's really exciting that He-Man just won the primary. Right. And I feel like, but that's what we've been, I feel a real sense of that's kind of what's been going well for Labour here is that there is that is that we are able to name a malefactor, we are able to decide what's evil and we're able to sort of cast nuances side

and make a strong moral stand quite simply just for what's right. And what that enables us to do is shed the sort of liberal fiction that the ideal political party gets 100% of the vote and that we are able to say to conservative voters, we don't want you, we're not interested in caping to you. And what we're going to do is marginalize your voice as much as we can and make it so that you don't matter. The ideal political party represents 100% of my boat dealership. I mean, that was like went in the, I mean, I know it's like very, you know, like British leftists to like relay everything to like the 2017 Labour campaign. I mean, look,

we can either relate everything to the 2016 primary in the US or relate everything to the 2017 Labour campaign. No, that's what it's. It's a merit. That's the 2020 when they run they run Hillary in 2020. Guys, we relay everything to England winning the World Cup now. No, but it's one thing I want to get back to is that is that the thing is and this is, I think, a lesson we have learned from the last three elections that we could talk about. We learned it in 2016 in the States. We learned one. We learned it in 2017 here. We learned one. We learned it. I mean, Corbin is the Prime Minister, right? Yeah, Prime Minister. That's what I heard. And I think we also learned a very bad job. If he is,

he's allowing Theresa May to hang out with the cabinet. We also and we also are learning that from 2018 in Ontario, which is that we will is that the is that the Liberals have to convince the reactionaries to get on side because the Liberals actually have something to offer the reactionaries, which is we're going to Cape to you and we're going diesel. We're going to give you whatever basically whatever it is that you want, but that when you don't Cape to the reactionaries, you can achieve. You can achieve electoral upset and whether that is and whether that is producing an uncommonly strong primary performance in 2016 against a shoe in candidate, whether that is reducing a minority government by surging up in the poll of reducing the Tories to

a minority government by surging up in the polls as Corbin did or by coming from behind is Andrea Hawarth of the NDP did in Ontario. That what we have to do is strengthen and double down on this strategy and not try to abandon it because what has failed is not the left. What has failed is liberalism. It's a failed experiment and it has to be done away with entirely because their entire world view has been discredited. Bring back gulak. I mean, the thing that the Liberals have to give the reactionaries is the fact they share the same economic platform. The thing they differ with is whether they prefer Wall Street bankers or Silicon Valley technocrats basically. They have the same platform. We see it in the EU debate as well, where you had loads of very pro-EU labor MPs going

for crazy free trade deals, literally to the other day. These are the people who are fronting single market campaign. It's like Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. There's a matter of extremes, but they both shared a broadly liberal economic. It's like one of them represented finance and one of them represented real estate. Big whoop. It's of the sort of extractive oligarchy that we live in. They represent two wings of extraction. It is only SpaceX who can save the trap boys. The only Doug Ford policy I'm actually familiar with is that he's going to make it legal to have a Bucca beer again. He's going to make it legal to sell $1 tins. I don't really know how that works, but that's one of those things that I feel like the conservatives only do it because

it instantly makes centrist newspaper columnists write about their populist credentials. There's this weird symbiosis between conservatives who want to be seen as the party of the people and centrist newspaper columnists or whatever because all Doug Ford has to do, he says folks a lot. That's the running joke because he always says folks and he's going to make it so you can buy a tall can of beer for $1. Then that's enough to make every columnist be like, oh my god, he's like a pro whisperer. He has powers that are beyond our understanding. It's like the man from Del Monte of politicians. All he has to do to take it one step further is going to be like, everybody, I'm not going to legalize drugs, but I'm going to make it a Bucca

heroin. He's just trying to get the leftists onside. It's like, okay, it's a horrible right-wing reactionary platform, but $1 beer and the leftists have to be like, well, it's got something going like a can. It's going to make podcasting cheaper. Yeah, exactly. And as we know, everyone in Toronto is a podcaster. So no, no one in Toronto is a podcaster. Right. He was the only podcaster and he left. So before we close out, what from your experience of sort of this, this election and this kind of horrible troll winning, what does the, we say the Canadian left has to do more of the same, but if you're listening to this and you're in Canada and you're, you know, you take off your headphones after hearing this,

what can you do over the next like day, week, month? Well, besides podcasting, I would say one of the things that was I think notable about the NDP's campaign here is that there were a lot of kind of social movements and activists adjacent to it. One of the big ones that Ontario has been the fight for 15 campaign, which kind of is modeled on the American one, which, you know, in the last, in the sort of dying, like, I don't know, road to Damascus days of the liberal government, actually, you know, these kind of activists made the liberals change labor legislation in some really positive ways, things like that. We got a $15 minimum wage, although Ford is going to cancel the phase in, so we're going to be stuck at $14.

So I would say get involved in groups like that. The big thing in Canada is like, like, we don't have to, we don't have like a super neoliberal party that's nominally on the left that has to be like taken back. Instead, what we have at the federal level is like, you know, a centrist party that people think is like a left-wing party and that works really, really hard to convince people that it's like this super progressive thing with like, you know, a woke prime minister and all that. And like, dissuading people of that and pointing out the, you know, the extremely not progressive things that Trudeau liberals are doing, I think that's got to be a project for the next, for the next few years.

Oh hell yeah. Well, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe we, this podcast is primarily listened to by Brits and Americans can, can do a little something about that with more Trudeau content. Invade Canada, the galaxy brainest option. No, I'm just down. You know, we send this, we send this to Drake, get him to like do a mixtape. We get, we get David Davis to lead. So there was a vice, there was a vice news bit this week about how like Drake contributes like 4% of all like economic growth. He was responsible for like 4% of all economic growth in Toronto. We need to diversify from Drake. And it's all, and it's all been driven by like, like random tourists who want to like take the photo, the same like photo of him as the cover

of like the Take Care album. And they all like want to like, you know, sit on blue screen. So they look like they're sitting on the CN tower. It's not the CN tower, it's the CN towers and Seattle, isn't it? Okay, there's another tower, there's another space needle. I mean, what, like what the leftist response to that would be would be to reinvest that Drake money into like jumpstarting SoundCloud rappers. We need to cash you 416. Who are these people who like Drake? I swear, like if Drake was a contestant on Love Island, he'd get voted off in like week one.

Luke, do you want to, do you want to link a couple of these organizations that people might be able to join in the description of the song, of this song that we've been singing of this episode? I'll send you guys some. But yeah, 15 in fairness, you know, a lot of, I'm only really familiar with the Toronto chapter, but Black Lives Matter does a lot of really good work on Ontario. And then of course, there's my podcast, which is the most important part of the Vanguard. Do I get that at some point? I was going to say where, where can people find you on the internet, including on the Apple podcasting app or wherever they like to download podcasts?

So I can be found at Luke W. Savage on Twitter. I have a podcast called Michael and Us that started as a novelty Michael Moore podcast, believe it or not. It's kind of like looking back at looking at like present day politics through the lens of like bad early 2000s liberalism, which works surprisingly well. We just launched a Patreon yesterday. So check that out. And if you want to hear our interpretation of Star Wars, The Last Jedi as a liberal retelling of the 2016 election, give us your money. Yeah, it's available online wire. If you want to call someone on your flip phone, I mean, that's just pure keys to the VIP at that point. Hit us up on email. No, you can find us as contestants on keys to the VIP.

We're on all the major platforms. Spotify, iTunes, keys to the VIP. All right. So thank you very much, Luke, for dialing in with us today. This has been a joy as ever. Thanks guys. This was fun. A real transatlantic collaboration. Absolutely. Pleasure. Thanks to Fraser for bringing the big sack of cans. No worries. And thanks to you guys for just being yourselves. Hell yeah, always. All right. And thanks finally to Jin Seng, who provides our theme song. You can find on Spotify. It is called Here We Go. And Commodify Your Descent with a t-shirt from Lil Comrab.

Yeah. I'm thinking of buying one of those Tech Won't Save You t-shirts she does, and then definitely not wearing it to work at the tech startup that I work at.