TRASHFUTURE - CSI: Bedford

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

We do a full rundown of the reactions to the online safety bill across the political spectrum, belatedly discuss the Epstein revelations, and learn about a new Guy who has decided to become the Duke of Bedford. Plus, never trust a man with a tube amplifier. Get more TF episodes each week by subscribing to our Patreon here! Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and November (@postoctobrist)

Hello and welcome to Trash Future. If you're in the United Kingdom, then due to the Online Safety Act, unfortunately we will have to ask you to verify your age. It's simple to verify your age. You simply have to go to a pay point at an off license and attempt to buy a handle of Glenn's vodka and the last dirty magazine, at which point take a picture of yourself with the cashier

and upload that to our very simple and easy to use app, which we will definitely not store at an unencrypted Amazon S3 bucket. I'm in the folder full of our own listeners' photos of themselves with their mouths open, with their shoes on their heads holding up, like their credit cards in front of the camera. I gotta say, some of these are really good. I think that more of our listeners, to listen to the show, should have to cut themselves in half and then show us a picture of the rings.

I think that the verification, we should do like a sort of like facial recognition thing. But for some reason, like because we sort of like half asked it, it doesn't work if you just take a picture of your face as is. You have to be doing like the Arhegal face. I mean, the thing is, the British government is so fucking needy, right? Like not only like send me a pic, send me another pic, send me one from this angle, one with your mouth open, one with your panties pulled to the side. And I'm just like, can you fucking freaks leave me alone, please?

I'm so excited for how this inevitably like, not necessarily ends, but like the inevitable story in a couple of years, which is that the people who did do the facial recognition so that they could add so that they could access Pornhub without a VPN are all fucking MPs. Yeah. That's going to leak. Yeah, it's going to leak, but also all their weird porn habits are going to leak because you know Pornhub do that report every year, which I'm not entirely sure is real. I do think a lot of it is bits. During the Spotify This Is You for the year on Pornhub and that all gets leaked. On Spotify it's called This is you, on Pornhub it's called Is This You? Weirdly, it's like unwrapped in both senses.

Yeah, I'm excited to find out in like a year's time what Keir Starmer has been jerking it to. Not sure why there's so many Ukrainian twinks, not sure why. It's all kind of based around arson, I'm not sure how that particular kink plays into it, but like, yeah, sure. Whatever. Older sugar daddy buys middle aged author clothes. There's this great new category of BDSM that's all about getting outed in the national press as an arsonist. And it's like you and three of your friends can do it. And like he, I guess Starmer's in like the D role because he's outing them to the national press.

It's arsonist. The thing is, right, as we've established, the one guy who runs Britain is now also going to be an age verification officer, which means that job is going to go to the grottiest count in Britain. Who is going to sit behind a desk in like a ruined Macintosh and be like, I reckon you look 18. Yeah. Awful. Terrible.

It's just the office is just school gates. We have made efficiencies. I was trying, I was venturing towards a star with that, but I'm going to bail out of it like still being like, we've made efficiencies, right? Because if the entire civil service can work out of one Renault Clio, then the savings on office space are going to be immense. Because if the entire civil service can work out of one Renault Clio, then the savings on office space are going to be immense. Well, I was thinking about the online safety act and it's something I've wanted to discuss

for a bit, but we like for a bunch of different reasons just haven't managed to get to partly because of the law. Because I even intended to talk about it at a live show and just got too drunk. Yeah, something happened there. Yeah, I was trying to log into the notes that we were gonna use to talk about it, and then I had to like post 15 photos of myself by mail to the government. Yeah. Me with a shoe on my head.

Buying a lottery ticket. Buying a lottery ticket, complaining that the lottery funds the woke national trust, stuff like this. I think there should be more stuff in Britain. Please upload a photo of you getting a tattoo and giving a thumbs up with at least one hand. Please send in a photo of you holding up a bill from Virgin with your wife looking terrified. Please upload an illegal sauna that you built in your back garden. Please do 100 laps of your back garden for the NHS. You can just play a greatest

hits of Britain in terms of things you have to upload to look at porn now. Well here's the thing, like they've chosen to implement this so in such an Orwellian manner when it could be. You could fully hit it with like only 90s kids will remember and that would be a pretty decent cut off. All the cold, short stuff. You're like, do you remember Busted? If you do, sure. Jerk off to your heart's content to Pornhub. Yeah, it's like, which of these pop punk bands was British? And it's like a multiple choice question. It's like the Life in the UK test, but it's the Jack in it in the UK test. If you can identify the band Blue, you are allowed, appropriately enough, to view like adult content online online Which of these was not in blue?

Williams some poor kid like hunched in front of the laptop looking at an also playing government video of a plane Smashing into the South Tower and the question. What is this and be like, I don't know It was that was this mr. Beast or something I don't know. It was, it was this mr. Beast or something. I don't know what this is. Yeah. The 20th, the 20th hijacker was filming himself on like a flip phone being like social experiment, social experiment. It was weird that they found Jimmy Beast's passport just on the street in Manhattan.

Jimmy Beast. Yeah. Jimmy Beast. Yeah. His name. Yeah. Jimmy Beast. Yeah. Mr. Beast. That's what they call him. Oh please. Mr. Beast was my father. Oh, I know. Yeah, Jimmy. Yeah, Jimmy. Yeah. Mr. Beast. That's what they call him that. Oh, please. Mr. Beast was my father. Oh, I know the other good one. The other good test because like there's sure you could test if you're older. Anyone can test if you're above a certain age, but can you catch out someone who's under 18? Right? Like what if the test was it's like, all right, give us your email address. And then within 24 hours, we'll tell you if you're allowed. And what they do is they send you an email that looks like it's from Jimmy Donaldson.

And it's like, do you want to be in the Mr. Beast video that's like coming out next week? If you click on that, you're barred from all content online. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it establishes your age perfectly based on how long it takes you to click on it. The only problem is I guess it would be sending by email. So it's like, we're sort of fishing in the wrong pond here. But look, listen to us. This is all better. And crucially, a lot of our ideas have been less invasive than what the government is

actually doing. This is true. And but think about this, right? By doing all of this, by making everybody post videos of themselves getting tattoos in order to look at Wikipedia. We have protected children from horrendous grooming, the likes of which Jimmy Savile famously did on the internet, not through being connected to politicians and stuff. And if you have a problem with anything that you're being asked to do, if you have a problem with being asked to upload your last six months of bank statements in order to like open YouTube or Spotify, you

are in alliance with, if not actively conspiracy with, Jimmy Savile from beyond the grave. Yeah, Jimmy Savile is running you from beyond the grave like a mob boss running his organization out of prison. If you're against this. But like, honestly, and by the way, American listeners, Nova said you have to upload six months of bank statements after we just did a bunch of bits about ridiculous stuff that you have to do. That's a real one.

That's a real thing that they will ask you to do to prove your age. And then they have to ask your bank, would you lend money to this person? And they're like, yeah, they're above 18. They're like, okay. The same thing with your mobile phone provider. The same thing, I believe we touched on this very briefly

in an episode you weren't here in Nova last week. We didn't talk about it that much. But like, you also can give them access to your emails and it will scan with AI to see if there's shit like utility bills in there. Yeah. It's like, have you been writing letters to the editor of the Telegraph or whatever? Yeah. I mean, genuinely as someone-

Sorry, you're too old to engage with Pocky Blue. I'm afraid you're too old. I will support this if it were an upper age limit, if it were like, OK, over the age of 60, no more internet for you, grandpa. Like you're just going to have to go and go and play like shuffleboard or whatever it was you were doing back in the 17th century. Imagine how good, imagine how like less cooked society would be if we did like Logan's run, but reverse it with an upper age limit for accessing the Internet.

Or like you get hived off. Too old to jerk off by government fiat. It's like, sorry, sorry. For your own safety, you're too old to know who Bonnie Blue is. That's right. I was going to say that that's also like the thing that we could personally lobby of a new left party slash your party to have in their manifesto. There should be a pledge that says that you are too old to jack off.

And Jeremy Corbyn, like fronting that, I think would be a very powerful message. I'm going to be in the your party digital working group, advocating for this very strong. It's like upper age limits for driving and wanking. Getting kicked out of the your party meetings because you keep just like hammering that the only thing you care about is implementing an older like an older age limit for jerking off. So, Sarasota was like, please for the love of God, just like say something else. What do you think about like farming policy? It's like, older age limit for jacking off. Yeah, that's right. I mean, here's the thing, right? By analogy with driving, I guess we

could, we could continue to allow older people access to the internet if every let's say year they Recertified they passed a test to prove that they could handle being online and they weren't cooked Yeah, I like we sort of joke about that. But actually I think I don't know I number one I don't think that's like such a bad idea Showing them showing them the like AI Facebook slop like shrimp Jesus and being like yeah Just explain in your own words what the deal is with this. Yeah. Or it could be like the drivers like, you know, when you have to get your provisional

license and so you've got to like watch out a simulator and you're like constantly looking about Bush because you think that someone's going to jump out of it, right? An online hazard perception test? Yeah, but for like, you know, online culture. Okay. And I didn't know necessarily how it would work, but I feel like, oh yeah, like, is Shrimp Jesus coming out behind the bush while you're driving this car. Click here when you, when you think you're about to be radicalized. I think I have the

synthesis here, which is a Voight comp test for elderly Britons. Did you fight in world war two? No, but really did you fight in World War II? Or then you're shown a picture of like a paraplegic puppy holding a paint brush that's like, nobody loves me on my birthday. And it's like, how does this make you feel? There's a puppy in a wheelchair. It's holding a paint brush. You were born in 1959. Did you fight in World War II?

Yes. Slamming the yes button, weeping at the memory of Dunkirk. It's Trashfuture, by the way. Hi. Oh yeah, sorry. Yeah, hi everyone. It's Nova, Riley and Hussein. It's TF.

You know the drill. So look, I want to talk a little more about the online safety bill. Just because like, this fits perfectly into this whole category of British thing, which is, in this case, it was proposed by the Tories. It was brought in by Labour, it's being defended now to the hilt by Labour. Yeah, and being of course attacked by those famous **** files in Reform UK, right? As the Labour Party would have it. Now here's the thing, if you cast the dice into the future

and you were like, the Labour Party is going to be campaigning on calling Reform **** files, I would have been broadly in favor of that, right, but under these circumstances it's the stupidest possible way for it to happen. Yeah. The blank-a-files at Reform UK could be almost anything. I could have been saying wean-a-files. You don't know. Maybe they really love a nice wine. The audiophiles over there at Reforge UK. And his party of cinephiles. Nigel Farage just sitting sitting in parliament, not responding to it like a question that's being asked by the

speaker because he's listening to like tube amped headphones. He's listening to like Steely Dan album like Asia on perfect tube amp headphones. And he's just like blissed out in another world. Yeah, I was fucking audio fine. Yeah. Labor labor didn't even mean that.

That was just a fuck up in the briefing papers and Stum was like, you want me to call them water files? Sure. Got it. Whatever. I'm not going to read it twice. I'm not made of time. I skim read. Yes, I skim read because I skim read because I only have time to read when I'm driving. What's that? It's also, this explains a few things because it means when he was director of public prosecution he's like, why do I need to know about Jimmy Savile being an audiophile?

Not a criminal offence, no matter how much he spends on his hi-fi cables. Look, as a Labour government, we will make audiophilia a criminal offence. Finally, some like policies I can actually support. Be like, look, we're no longer going to do moral panics, we're just going to declare war on random groups of enthusiasts. Convicted audiophile, because you once bought the like, you got upsold on the gold cables. It's, you get stung. You get stung by the police, like into buying like some vintage Bowers and Wilkins.

Getting put in a headlock in a McDonald's car park by a bunch of audiophile hunters who only want to listen to like Cabas or radio on the on like the stereo that came with the car. Oi, Mike, what speakers you got in that car? And then they just stick an iPhone in there and it's just like, it's as I fought. You know, they have to keep all the files in a separate wing of the prison because if like normal criminals got at them, it would be like a bloodbath. They have to keep them in a special audio treated wing of the prison.

It's got like baffling on it. Like they're so shitty about movie night. They don't even care what movie they watch. Oh my God. I so wanted to talk about the online safety act, but I was too delighted talking about the audio files. Okay. Zen. Yeah. Wiffy's migrants. You don't know which one of them is an audio file. You don't know which one of them has like really, really, really controversial opinions about Dolby surround sound. Yeah. That's the thing about, that's the thing about these migrants here.

They're from a different culture. They don't understand THX. They've never sat in front of a speaker and had a martini blown off their chair and that's why they'll never integrate. Oh my God. I have to like summon the 14 wines mindset in order to like continue getting through what I actually wanted to say about the online safety bill. So here's the thing, right? There is this, the way that this is working of reminding Americans as well is

that internet companies with a very broad brush have been told by the British state that they can be fined 10% of turnover globally, which for like, I don't know, Spotify is like 11 billion pounds, like some like consequential sum of money if they fail to protect children from harmful content online. This isn't just stuff like pornography, although that's like a big, a big part of it. Also it's stuff that could be deemed like via, like gore. However, that means also like, like Al Jazeera has been roped in with to this as well because it's like, oh, uh, seeing images of- It's on Wikipedia.

Yeah. Oh, indeed. So yeah, like seeing images of like, you know, um, what Israel is doing in Gaza, that's considered now to be unsafe for children. And I, to be honest, I would agree, but it's like, okay, well now you have to verify your identity if you want to follow, you know, the news about like the global atrocities that we are supporting. Yeah, it's not to say that there aren't online harms, right? It's to say that this is one of the dumbest possible ways you would try to go about preventing them. Well, quite. I mean, you could almost imagine that maybe the solution to online harms isn't just another piece of software, but the solution to online

harms is, for example, social, right? Yeah. And it's also, I don't think you have to be particularly paranoid to see a kind of stalking horse here of de-anonymizing or like sort of identifying individual internet users along the kind of broad political axis of do not at me on Twitter, I will have you arrested. Every Labour MP seems to be very, very fond of. Yeah. Some now actually are sending the police to constituents' houses for emailing them. Oh, I know.

That's in fact what I'm referencing. I mean, like, and, you know, so if you then have the kind of drive from that to be like, okay, well, if you want to use the internet in the UK, then you have to sort of like with your ISP or with the government or how it's going to be implemented, you have to have like an identifier to you that is like hooked to your driver's license or something, right? Or, you know, whatever it is. And right now it's just, well, we want the kind of sense of that, but we don't want to implement any of that ourselves. So we're just going to like throw it to Spotify or Pornhub or Reddit or Wikipedia to be like, okay, you guys develop a system of age verification, and if it isn't good enough or it doesn't work to our satisfaction, we will find you

infinity trillion dollars. And so that's where, aside from being just a boon to whatever company wants to flog its age verification system, this is where you get this thing of, okay, we'll just post a photo of you getting a tattoo, holding a handle of vodka. Yeah. Well, in fact, we've talked about one of those companies before, YOTI, Y-O-T-I. We talked about them like years ago, in fact, and saying more or less exactly what we're saying now. Trash future, never knowingly behind the news.

Yeah, that's right. Sometimes way too ahead and then we forget and then it's like, we're behind, but it's because we need an archivist. Anyway, so basically, right, there is this and then there's this other fear, which I think is quite reasonable, which is that, well, especially for for stuff like this, there's on the one bucket, there's stuff like pornography, stuff you wouldn't want people to know. It's a Compromat file now being generated, connected to your name. You know, they say, OK, well, we don't store your photo. We delete it immediately. And it's

like, okay, prove that. Prove that you've deleted my photo immediately. Or also, it's even saying, oh, well, we don't store any of your details. We just create a token that then these companies will trust from us and then allow you to create an account. But then you have an account. And so then if like... Because you have to have an account, if then that company gets hacked, there are now way more identifiable people next to all the content that's been consumed. And then there's on the other hand than that, right? I want to put the all like the porn stuff into one separate bucket, right? Because there's lots of other things that if it were leaked,

that if you were browsing them could cause serious personal harm. And the thing that I come back to is the fact that guess what? A lot of the subreddits about being trans are now age locked, right? Mysterious, curious, interesting. What if you're questioning your gender identity and you're from a conservative family? Now there is a verifiable identity linked record of you having browsed like Reddit slash r slash transgender questions. Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm. And it's not just that, it's any number of things where, as you say, that it might be kind

of harmful to have that disclosed. Like, even like sexual health stuff, stuff about like alcohol use or like drug use or gambling. Yeah, making a cider, r-cider is like, you have to sort of, or like drug use or gambling. Making a cider, our cider is like, you have to sort of, or at least like, you had to like show some ID. So if you want to like make like a relatively accessible alcoholic drink using some nice apples, like you can't do that without getting arrested. Your politics have to be traceable too. I guess the other thing I would say about this is even the stuff that seems kind of

innocuous, right? Where you're like, oh, I guess sure, I'll just give them my face or my ID or whatever in order to look at this. It's like, kind of as a basic principle of cybersecurity, so much of your shit is incredibly identifiable off of like one or two things being known about you. And those things can be completely mundane. This feels like the most sort of like,

again, it's very much emblematic of like, how Britain sort of deals with its social, well, sort of deals with social and political problems through outsourcing. But it's just the contradictory advice you're given about, okay, protect your information online. Don't give your photos out to anyone that you don't know. A lot of being online now is very much, basically, there are so many ways for people to get your passwords, to get your personal information. It's very easy to sort of like string a location. You know, if you're a stalker, it's like more easy to be stalked than ever before. You know, you are basically told like in sort of like internet awareness classes that like,

this is a very easy way to die, right? This is a very easy way to die or get arrested or get into trouble, et cetera, et cetera. It also happens to be the only way that you can engage with society in any form. And as we sort of continue to securitize things over like largely moral panics that are not really grounded in any sort of particular evidence and are mostly guided by like a commentariat

that has no idea what they're talking about, you end up with like a system where it's like, okay, all the things that you're being told are dangerous to do and could sort of get you into a lot of trouble or could compromise you are also things that you have to do in order to survive or in order to have any type of social life that has to be digitally mediated. I've been thinking about that.

It's not just a case of accessing porn. When people talk about the fact that this eventually comes for everyone and you have smarmy dickheads who are just like, well, I actually just read the guardian.com every day, so I'm fine. Or their online life is free websites and they never jack it except to their wife and stuff. Like whatever they sort of say, right? Whatever they like lie about. You know, the sort of the point of this type of securitization is that it never ends, not least because like once you open the box or like the box was already open,

but once you kind of continue opening the box, like there's no sort of putting it away. There's no sort of going back. I don't imagine there's any situation really where there's like any sense of kind of like regret or any sense of like attempt to rethink like whether this actually works or not. Oh no, it only turns one way. So what we're also going to deal with is like, okay, well once it's sort of admitted that like the online safety act doesn't really work, the answers that are going to be given are like, well, we just sort of need to beef it up more. And you already see like politicians kind of

doing that right now anyway, right? Mm-hmm. It talks about banning VPNs, for example, which Riley probably knows more about that than I do in terms of whether that's feasible or not. But there's also talk about banning legal porn. So this was supposed to be a way of preventing children from accessing adult websites. But now it's like, okay, we're going to use this to like ban specific kinds of porn. We're going to use this to like ban specific kinds of content that we deem to be like dangerous. And obviously that's going to seep into like political, like, you know, politics more than anything because, you know, like rise of different

types of extremisms. But more importantly, it's like, well, we also have a kind of counter extremism program that gets to determine what an extremist is without any real guidelines and no one really knows how it works and no one's really allowed to know how it works. So if you happen to be like a left-wing activist or anything, yeah, this is probably like coming for you as well. Or even like, if you happen to be like a liberal activist, this is probably coming for you as well.

Oh yeah, the led by donkeys guys are going to Guantanamo. But like, I've been thinking about this too, because I've been wondering about how you, for instance, get a job that requires like, say like a security clearance, right? What the kind of envisioned use of the internet there is. And I genuinely feel like at this point, to be that person, you need to have this kind of monk-like existence where your entire life you have had one email address that you have used only for job applications and you're like, I never need to like read anything on Wikipedia, I never need to like watch anything on YouTube, I never need to have any kind of experience for

social media and I just like have this one thing and nothing else outside those kind of like very rigidly defined lines of what is like appropriate internet use and that's such a strange unsupportable standard that now I guess everybody's going to be in. It's like it's a bad law for a number of reasons like technical ones, political ones, but also just on a practical level. It's so alien from the way that most people live is to be almost unenforceable, I would suggest. And what we want our economy to be! Well also, yes. That's what, that's specifically what the people who are making this law, they're like, okay, digital Britain, everything on the computer, everything's computer in

Britain from now on, forever. Yeah, we want everything to be computer, we want AI scrapers on everything. But what if we made that as hard as possible? What if we, what if we like try to get as much tech stuff to come in here as possible, but we also made it extremely difficult for them to like roll out products to consumers. And again, this is very much like indicative of how this government sort of thinks about policymaking and its attempts to sort of like placate everyone and in, and in turn sort of making everyone mad about it. So the other thing, right, and going back to it is that again, if you're gonna be harmed as a child, it's gonna be by someone who's powerful, by someone that you know. It could be, for example, just picking an organization at random, the

South Yorkshire Police. Interesting. Curious. Why'd you pick them out of that? Oh, because they were too woke to pro- no, sorry, sorry, I'm getting an update on the ticker. It's that they were as complicit as everybody else, apparently, in child abuse in Rotherham. And none of this was mediated by the internet, except maybe incidentally, right? These are things that are actual power relationships between people. Yeah, well I remember us talking about Rotherham and saying at the time that the reason why

the police kind of, like, let child traffickers get away with it wasn't because they were afraid of being called racist, it was because they didn't want to do their jobs because they would be, like, found to be complicit if they investigated themselves. So it now seems. So again, like, the sort of enforcement side of this is just ripe for kind of corruption, which is also great, I think. That's good when that happens. Yeah. And, you know, if you want to talk about how the Labour Party's defending it, right, is like, 10 minutes after it went live, they were like, oh, so you just want to let all of the pedophilia rip? You want to live in the Britain from the Chris Morris special of the pedogeddon, right?

And so I didn't know that's where we were living before until 10 minutes ago. That's what it was. Like they're talking about this fucking thing like it's the NHS, like Labour Party is making the Labour Party is making these scare ads about, oh, Nigel Farage wants to remove safety protections online for children that have been there for 10 minutes and like aren't popular. Yeah, he does apparently. It's like we have to go back to the completely unacceptable status quo that there was, you know, last week.

Yeah, exactly. I think it's very funny about the Labour Party have sort of like correctly realized that like one of the ways that you can mobilize people is through like fears of being a nonce, right? Or fears of nonces. But they've kind of executed it in such a bad way that even like, even your, even like the most easiest like constituency to sort of placate are like, yeah no, this isn't it guys, this is not it. Like, I think only they could have fumbled it as much as they have. It's also like the only thing that they've bothered like, defending with their full chest as well. Like, everything else has been this kind of really, really tepid thing,

except for, except until now something has changed, I guess because like, you know, there's the sense that Stammer is on the way out and so like, Streeting and Rainer are kind of on maneuvers, that now it's like, alright, fuck internet users and fuck doctors. Which is an interesting position for a government to take, I guess. Hey, you know what else is fun? And this might just be because they already have to have age verification, but you know what's not blocked by these age verification tools? What's that?

Gambling! Oh, well, it's not like there's any connections between the Labour Party and the gambling industry in this country, right? Again, it's like, you do already usually have to prove to a gambling website that you're 18, but there are lots of ways that you can gamble with, I don't know, cryptocurrency, for example, you know, that children often, often engage in, right? Using this as an end run around by like getting into Wikipedia, by posting like a photo of yourself in a high stakes poker game.

As a 14 year old. Also, I know this is a little bit old news, but I did want to talk about it, which was of course the release of the Epstein birthday book. Yeah. Speaking of speaking of speaking of audio failure. And what shortly after this was released, I mean, Trump has now been continually under pressure from loyalists in his own administration, who were all true believers, by the way, that he was like a white hat Epstein guy, right? You know, like Cash Patel is like a true like

Dan Bongino, true believers, guys who are like, yeah, he was only on the island to find the real Preds, you know? And so now Trump is being consistently more and more under pressure having to say, well, wait, why? So wait, when you cut ties with Epstein, why? And also because Trump is doesn't have Mnuchin around him anymore. It doesn't have Mattis. And he doesn't have Reince Priebus. He doesn't have those people, but he's also like the dementia is starting to hit. Like this is apparent. If you look at Trump, he's kind of losing it, right? Which is why he's

he's going on these weird detours, but it's also why he's volunteering details that are the most incriminating sounding things in the world. Like, for instance, when he's like, oh yeah, like his long time position has been, I knew Jeffrey Epstein, and yes, the quote that he said about, like, liking girls on the younger side is something that he said, but he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago for being a creep. And then Trump, unprompted, said, yeah, I broke relations with Epstein because he poached Virginia Juffre from the spa where I employed her after the allegations, the first set of allegations against him came out. Yeah. What the fuck, dude?

What? Sorry. Fuck dude. Sorry, like the now recently deceased, like preeminent victim of Epstein's crimes was working at your spa and you got mad that Jeffrey Epstein head hunted her at the age of like 15? I think, guys, I think this guy's a fucking audiophile. I think he's buying the Bang & Olufsen headphones. I think if Rex Tillerson was in the Trump 2 government, just when he was about to say, oh yeah, I considered him to be a rival Chomo, then Trump would have been like, blackbagged before he got one syllable out.

And the thing is, he's got like three more years of this as well. Like, a maximum scrutiny, and also he's going to war with Rupert Murdoch about it because as much as Rupert Murdoch is a gigantic fascist, he also enjoys fucking with people, and the new editor of the Wall Street Journal is this kind of like, sort of journalism vampire, so she's been pushing this. Which is wherefore they found the cards from both Trump and Clinton being like... And Mandelson. And Mandelson being like, loved checking out your hi-fi setup, wink wink, kissy kissy.

And that doesn't hit as well anymore now either, because the Clintons are a spent force politically, so the Democrats don't really even feel the need to be like, uh, this doesn't mean anything. And it's just like, really, it feels like we're getting to the point where this is a story that's unsustainable, but then, on top of this, Galean Maxwell gets to make a deal with the art of the deal master himself, Donald Trump. They're calling it the most innocent thing anyone has ever done. Yeah. Yeah. Of moving her to like low security prison to like control her testimony. Yeah. Moving her to golf jail and then somehow getting Jeffrey Epstein's cellmate in the

next cell over, whose job is just to like sharpen a knife. The thing about golf jail is that it's actually mostly audiophiles in there. And then it's like, you know, like three Samsung guys who got caught on an insider trading beef, who are all gonna say that they were doing an NBA when they come back to Korea. There was the three Samsung guys, the guys who are just like, I just used like a normal soundbar I bought from John Lewis. What are you talking about?

So the actual quote here is Trump says, again, asked by a reporter, Hey, why did you cut ties with the pedophile, the famous pedophile that all the rich men seem to have loved? A question for which he has had a like, pat answer for years. A pat answer that has been like unsatisfying, but like works well enough to move any report line of questioning from reporters on. Instead, he says, he took people, I said don't do it anymore, you know they work for me, but he took some others, and once he did that, that was the end of him.

People were taken out of Spa, hired by Epstein. I told you we don't want you taking our people, whether it's Spa or not Spa. He did it again, and I said out of here! Why was Virginia Jiffre working in your spa, Mr. President? Is a question that he'd... Yeah. Yeah, you could ask that as a follow-up. Yeah. No, no, apparently. Like, shit, I didn't, I didn't know that. I didn't know that about her. Yeah. Okay. He says, was one of the stolen people Virginia Jouffre? Trump. He stole her. Just grim, grim, grim. Mr. President, as your lawyer, I am advising you to keep saying this.

Mr. President, as your lawyer, I'm very busy fighting a parochial related case right now. As your lawyer, I'm currently individually suing everyone in the world to try to make them send me a Valentine's day card. So the birthday book continues. and I'm afraid one of our faves has been implicated. And that is of course, Peter Mandelson, current ambassador to the US. I mean, you see why these guys like they go way back, you know, they were in what I guess is like this sort of modern version of Skull and Bones where you're also blackmailed.

So as you recall, Mandelson said, I regret ever meeting him or being introduced to him by his partner, Ghislaine Maxwell. I regret even more the hurt he's caused to many young women. I regret buying that white belt, which was very gauche. So, do you think he bought the belt? Because he was just trying it on in the photo. I wonder if he bought it. I says, he went on to add,

I'm not gonna go into this. It's an obsession of Frankie that you can all fuck off. This is what he said the last time he was asked about it. So this is from the Wall Street Journal article Nova that you mentioned a letter from the current UK ambassador to the US. Mandelson included photos of whiskey, a tropical island and referred to Epstein as quote my best pal. Yeah.

Yeah. Why would anyone be obsessed with this? I mean, like both the Trump and the Clinton ones were more forward and less subtle, like the Trump one in particular, and it genuinely makes me kind of feel a bit sick to talk about. It contains the line, and may every day be another wonderful secret, which is, I would say by some margin, the most audio-feelig thing I've ever heard in my life, and I really think that that's, Oh, genuinely. I don't know how we got to this point, or I do, but I don't like any of the steps on how we got to this point, but it's also striking that that existed, and people presumably knew

it existed, that book, for years. And it now comes out as a result of an internal kind of Murdoch power struggle. No, it was Democratic Party oppo research, they just didn't use it because it implicated Clinton. They had it. Even when she wasn't the candidate. Just by virtue of the fact that, okay. Kamala Harris could have used it. I mean Kamala Harris wouldn't have used it because she would have been like, unable to

find it because she'd be too like zoomed out on lithium. But like yeah, generally speaking. Biden could have used it if he was still able to read, you know? Biden's like, I have the smoking gun on the Trump Epstein thing and just opens it. And it's the worst drawn clock you've ever seen. I mean, it also it's like it's it's like every new piece of info on Epstein is always like Donald Trump or Bill Clinton or Leon Black. I have Leon Black in here as well, writing something like, no matter what I say

in the future about our relationship now, I want to claim right now on the record that we're close associates who spend a lot of time together, have a secret kind of language, and are clearly very fond of one another, regardless of what I ever may say in the future. Yeah. Is that the same Leon Black who paid Jeffrey Epstein $110 million for tax advice? Yeah, it is. It must be great advice. Okay, okay, sure. dollars for tax advice. Yeah, it is. It must be great advice. Oh, you think so?

For a guy with like no expertise in like tax. Yeah. Must have been a real like savant, you know? So good. Maybe the tax advice was the wonderful secrets, you know? I'm so often when I'm speaking to my accountant about like, you know, business expenses or whatever, that phrase, you know, another wonderful secret, you know, definitely comes to mind all the time. Oh, totally. Like that's, wait, that's how we all talked to Nick, the TF accountant when

he was still the TF accountant. Is we used to message him WhatsApp and, you know, be like greetings of the ecstatic Nick. Yeah. Can I, can I, can I expense this pair of headphones that I bought? By the way, you are my best pal. And I love doing sort of like secret island activities with you. I love listening to music on two bamps with you. The submission with Black's name had a handwritten poem with a rhyme scheme. The poem included the acronym VFPC with an asterisk that it stood for Vanity Fair poster child. Two lines in the poem read, blonde red brunette spread out geographically with this net of

fish Jeff's now the old man and the sea. Shit poet and audiophile. Yeah. And like, again, like these are some of the most powerful people in the world. Gods on earth, like the masters of the universe. Like that's how finance guys always, I don't know if they still do, but like the finance guy thing was like, you want to become the master of the universe. You want to become Jamie Dimon, right? They, they use that phrase masters of the universe and like you're like that. And then you get a call from Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother, who says, I'm putting together a book of perversions for my brother's

birthday. Please write a poem. I'm putting together a Borgia style gif. book of perversions for my brother's birthday. Please write a poem. I'm putting together a Borgia-style gif. Yeah, I'm putting together a banquet of the chestnuts for my brother's birthday. Imagine being the brother. Fuck. Oh, God, yeah. What do you get for the man who has everything? Brackets negative, brackets extremely negative. Yeah. You get, like, the most evil people to attempt poetry.

Yeah. So, you know, and obviously, Team Trump is obviously handling the fallout well. Because like so many political operators in the English speaking world right now, all they know how to do is say, we're not the other guys who suck, by the way, right? They're like, we're not the Democrats who suck. The Democrats are corrupt and we're not them. And you tell yourself stories and you want other people around you who tell you those stories. And so you hire the guy that writes the child's children's book about you.

You hire the Facebook man. You have these like fucking like these goons who know nothing but brazen defiance of mainstream liberal opinion. And now they have to deal with an actual real problem instead of just being able to pull the be a contrarian to mainstream liberal opinion lever. Instead of just running cover, the first thing they do is they say, oh yeah, we fold, we fold on everything. And you say, oh well, CNN is a party political broadcast organ for Democrats. And it's like, yeah, that's half true.

But like, if you're Dan Bongino, you don't have a clear... Everyone knows that, but it's like, if they're doing that and they're saying, why'd you write the like, another wonderful secret card, the another wonderful secret card doesn't go away from that. Yeah, because you act like CNN is Barack Obama calling Wolf Blitzer every day telling him the script to read, and so because you kind of believe that, you go to power campaigning on like, we're gonna release the Epstein files, because I guess no one was smart enough to what, check?

Yeah. Yeah. The hubris required to campaign on that while knowing it was out there and live and just thinking, well, if it hasn't come out by now, probably not going to use it. This sword hanging over my head, it's going to stay out there. Wouldn't worry about it. You know, that fraying string, it will never actually snap because by the time it frays half as much as it has to do to snap, it will then have to fray half as much more and then half as much more and it just never will. Yeah.

Because the thing is, right, whether it's pizza gators or like lunatic, like race riders in the UK, right, the way that right wing politics, and I'm not saying it should work like this, but like the way it's supposed to work so that it functions to do evil, basically, is that you have the pizza gators and the race rioters, and then you have the people running the pizza gators and race rioters. And you need to remember that pizza gate isn't real. You need to remember that like the race riots are largely fomented on the basis of nothing, right?

You have to actually perceive reality so you can twist it to manipulate other people. I see what you're saying. The sort of the tail is wagging the dog now. Yeah. Because if you hire people in charge, if you hire Dan Bongino, right? Or you put, I don't know, fucking like Lee Anderson into a position of authority, who forget that these things are fake, they cease to be useful to you because instead of discrediting your opponent, you're putting actual effort into locating the basement children, and you find yourself backed into a corner where your guys have been doing

exactly as much of this activity that you're being sensationalist about and What then what's the point of like, you know giving all this like limited immunity? Like you're just you're very clearly guilty and again, it's astonishing to me what that like this isn't just inescapable The opposition party is not making this a completely inescapable message. Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely Well, I mean what is there anything left that the Democrats can't fumble, you know? Uh, well, I guess we'll find out, because there's definitely a few long years. I mean, look, we have two sort of sides to the same coin in power across the Atlantic of just relentless fumbling, but I want to leave the world of high politics behind, and I want to talk about the city

of Bedford in Britain. Bedford. Okay. We're not doing no gods no mares, right? No. No, we're not. Because this person has explicitly ruled out running for mayor. Okay.

So this is a guy. A guy has emerged. There's a new guy on the Hergizen and his name is, thank you, that was exactly what that deserved. Yeah. Just a scorn. a scorn for you yeah a sort of a scoff his name Peter McCormick now Peter McCormick has been in the news recently because he has decided to hire private security to patrol the town of Bedford to like move on alcoholics and, uh, you know, like hassle, like homeless people and, um, you know, otherwise like many, many such cases in lots of like

cities and towns where you have like fake cops. But these guys have been hired by one rich man who wants to change things up a little bit. Mr. McCormick said, quote, we used to have policing in this town, but now it was quote, very, very rare and that my girlfriend is afraid to visit with her son. Uh huh. Mr. McCormick, a heavily tattooed 46 year old who made a fortune in Bitcoin and for years hosted cryptocurrencies most successful podcast, co-owns the real Bedford football

club with the Winklevoss twins, is determined he will not sit back and watch his town go to the dogs, but that he also won't become a government. Thereby meaning that he's not eligible for no gods, no mayors. Okay. Local potentate, however, so I think that counts. When you say real Bedford, are we 100% sure that they haven't been pretentious enough to name it Real Bedford, like Real Madrid? So, thank you for asking. I did look into this. It used to just be called, like, Bedford Football Club, and then Peter McCormick renamed it Real Bedford.

Uh huh. Yeah, that tracks. Yeah. So, Real Bedford FC, by the way, was a League 10 football side that has now become, quote, the first Bitcoin football team. Sick. Ugh. God. I mean, like, okay, you're spoiled for choice for like unethical football club sponsorships. Every day. But like... Every day I regret that we didn't follow up our plan to buy a non-league football team for pennies during the pandemic. Perhaps we could have like filmed this and made it into a kind of documentary series.

That's like a feel good TV series. For people with varying knowledge of like football as the game of which it is playing. The thing is, what we do is we go to this town and we, we both learn a little bit from each other. They take, we take some of that kind of like scrappy, like outsider energy and they get a bit of our, our like upbeat American, like Hollywood show bits kind of thing. And then we both kind of, we help each other. Yeah, they get a bit of our audio engineering knowledge,

not audiophilia. So by the way, yeah, the Real Bedford FC, by the way, yeah, it's this league 10 football club. They bought it. They basically did a YouTube welcome to Rexam with the Winklevoss twins, which sounds wretched. There's an article from the Times, which coincidentally came out a few days ago, unrelated to what

I'm talking about mainly. Thomas Pacquia owns the Pubkey Bitcoin bar in New York, where last September, Donald Trump stopped in the campaign trail to buy a cheeseburger. Oh, Pubkey. Okay, sure, I get it. The first Bitcoin transaction by a current or former president. So they should make a monument. Pacquia screens all of Rayal Bedford's evening matches in the bar.

I watch most of them. It's a beautiful project. McCormick wants to retain Rayal Bedford's punk attitude with a black painted graffiti covered tunnel, Nirvana style t-shirts on sale and a burst of rage against the machine blasting from his phone whenever Rayal Bedford score a goal. That's epic. Yeah. He was he was fined for improper conduct by the football association for holding a gun in his chairman's photograph in the match day programs. Um, so this is, this is one swell dude. So this is the guy who's like, Hey, you know what?

I can fix the town. What if we let me, the Bitcoin billionaire do it? What if we, what if we, what if we called it like Bitford instead of Bedford? What if that, maybe that would help. What if instead of Ferd, was coin? Just call it Bitcoin. Doing like a kind of El Salvador on Thames situation. You know who's been a guest on his Bitcoin podcast. Motherfucker, I was joking. Yeah, so he pays for private security guards to patrol the streets of Bedford,

sorry, Bitford, armed with body cameras and radios to help deter crime, hostile begging, drug taking, public drunkenness, and general anti-social behavior. The guards from Belmont Guard security services will wear body cams with Mr. McCormick saying he wanted to set up similar to the New York based Guardian Angels. So I guess not real and never did anything. Yeah. The long sliver, you know, the sort of like long legacy of Curtis Sliwa. I always said, we need a British Sliwa, right? Yeah, like if Trump's an American Perone, this guy is a British Sliwa. Yeah, he's kidding grannies and patting fannies. Which doesn't mean what that means to you, actually, usually.

So this is what Curtis Sliwa said. He said people should view his patrols like scarecrows, and that if they spotted someone taking drugs or causing trouble, they would quote, ask them nicely to move on. For this initiative, he's been dubbed Bitcoin's first Batman, and is hoping to entice shoppers back to the town. Cool. Yeah. Again, we can't solve any of the social problems, so it's a real dated way of addressing homelessness,

of just forcing everybody out of like addressing homelessness of just like forcing everybody out of town until they come back. You'd never guess who else he cites as an inspiration. Tommy Robinson. No, an American. Who has been on his podcast but... Another New Yorker. Peter T.

Another New Yorker. Eric Adams. No, earlier. Rudy? Rudy! He cites Rudy. America's mayor himself He cites America's mayor himself as a core inspiration

Suggesting that he was going to again in his capacity as just some guy Attempt to introduce broken windows policing to Bedford cool and also again like the whole idea of we are going to solve a Housing and poverty crisis by getting rid of everybody who does not currently have an address. Not even arresting your way out of it because they don't have any power to do that. They're just kind of like pestering your way out of that. It's like, it's Oscar Goodman remonstrating with the homeless again. So check out No Gods No Mares.

Listen to No Gods No Mares. It's a good podcast. This is where a lot of my references are now planted. But he says, I've been saying for ages that if the police won't fix it, I'll do it for them. They haven't. So here we are. So McCormick tells me, this is from the interview in the Times again,

his life story as he comes across as both a savvy businessman and a man on a mission to save his hometown. I want my town to win, he says passionately. He takes me down crack alley among the shops near his cafe where three men are smoking drugs in a car with shouldn't have called it that I wouldn't have called Yeah, just kind of invites the crack dealing at that point You know and also it's like the Times journalist is saying we're three men are smoking drugs in the car with a smash-back window

And I was just say you're a Times journalist It's like a Times of London journalist you could let say wonder if there's motivated reasoning going on there, right? Well, possibly, but you know. And even if true, right, we know the reasons for this. We know the reasons for this is because we've decided to stop funding the stuff that keeps the people safe and inside. But it's the same reason that deaths of despair are always spiking in ex-industrial areas. It's the same reason. It doesn't get solved by any of the things that he's proposing. Well, it could be an interesting thing for a journalist to like use your capacity to like walk over there and talk to people, you know?

Yeah. No, no. I think what we're going to do is we're going to let him just like take us through like a Bedford handler. Like when you go to El Salvador, doing, doing a ride along with a guy who isn't even going on a ride along with some guy. That's just a car ride. It's just a drive. Just hanging out, yeah. Then he shows me the tidy facade of a boarded up Debenhams that closed four years ago. And he complains about how high business rates are putting off

budding entrepreneurs. We must be ambitious, he said, a place of economic opportunity. But if a town center is not safe, it does not work. Which again, I would say, you're just... The Times Journalist, I mean, obviously this person is. But you're just going to let him say that. You're just going to be like, yeah, the problem is the high business rates. Yep. Well, better not ask a follow-up question because we're too busy pointing out all of the unhoused

people. So we won't be asking a follow-up question to that. We're assuming it's taxes. It's the taxes which is why it's like this. Not the... Again, choke hold placed on local authority funding by central government. Certainly not that. Not the like, or in fact, also not like that as the economy has changed in places like our... I mean, Bedford is like a bedroom community for London, right? You know, or, but even other places in the UK that have dead high streets, right? As the economy has changed, I don't know, more people are buying stuff initially in big buck stores out of town and then online, right? As these like efficiency gains accrue to a smaller

and smaller number of economic players, you would say, oh, the taxes are high as opposed to the economy has changed in such a way that has made a nice thing, the nice high street obsolete. You wouldn't say because you would just realize, oh, hang on a minute. This nice thing that I liked, which was a busy bustling high street with lots of shops and places to sit down and stuff that I wanted to be at. That wasn't made by capitalism. That was an inefficiency of capitalism that it got rid of as soon as it possibly could. Yeah. Yeah. John Tizzard, the police commissioner for Bedfordshire, described the move as a quote, political stunt

and that reported anti-social behavior was in fact the lowest it had been for a long time. Yeah. But you know, don't let facts get in the way of a good story, right? Oh, no. But yeah, so this is one hell of a guy, right? McCormick started his career in online advertising in early 2000s, then got so hooked on cocaine that he couldn't stop doing it ever. Ended up getting divorced from his wife, losing his online advertising business and then getting hospitalized with cocaine induced heart arrhythmia, which he recovered from through the magic of podcasts. I mean, listen, I'm never going to denigrate the magic of podcasts, right?

They've done a lot for me. McCormick began listening to podcasts by Rich Roll, an American former drug addict turned ultra endurance athlete. A friendship ensued. And in 2017, he asked Roll for advice on how to start podcasting. So he told me, pick a subject and stick with it. I'd come across Bitcoin in the past because I used to buy cocaine with it. So I thought that'll do. I got on a plane.

Yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah, fine. I know what it's the closest I can get to cocaine now, I guess. So I said that'll do. Got on a plane and flew to America to interview people in the industry. And four years later, I found myself interviewing the president of El Salvador. Great. I mean, you know, famously no link between that and cocaine. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Famously no link between that and a gigantic criminal justice system that was initially popular because it was targeting a really, genuinely large crime problem but then immediately became clear that it was just used as a tool of political

repression. I'm sure not. And just also, just to be clear, just because they said initially popular didn't mean I said it was initially good, just that it was initially popular. You know what you can listen to about this is a podcast called No Gods No Mares because I wrote an entire episode about Naebu Kelly and you can, you can hear an interesting theory about him. I promise I didn't do this on purpose.

So just by way of almost ending, McCormick has handed over his Bitcoin podcast after 861 episodes now host the Peter McCormick show where he interviews people like Tommy Robinson, as well as Liz Trust, Chelsea Manning and the cancelled historian David Starkey. After my divorce, I was only happy when I got away from Bedford. Travel was therapy, but time heals and Bedford is home. I chased away a lot of the things I wanted in life, but in the end I like being in my own community with people I know.

And I guess crucially, no one who I find it upsetting to look at, you know? ALICE Yeah, I guess not, no. NICHOLAS Yeah. So he, uh, he re- something I mentioned as well earlier, he launched this thing called the Bedford Project, which aims to be like a shadow local government run entirely by this podcaster, this Bitcoiner. ALICE Bedford Doge strikes again. NICHOLAS Yeah, he says he wants to create Bedford Doge. ALICE There's already a Bedford Doge. Reform were

gonna create a Bedford- that's where Shadow Doge came from. It's because they got control of like Bedford Doge. There's already a Bedford Doge reform we're gonna create a Bedford that's where Shadow Doge came from. Because they got control of like Bedfordshire County Council. No it was Kent County Council. Was it? I could have sworn it was Bedford Doge. I'm afraid Shadow Doge came from James Watt but let's see what she's won. Oh god damn it. Either way this like much like online back in the day there's too many fucking Doge's around here. Well these are also the only people that believe in it, because I think what's sort of interesting about the doge stuff is that you can sort of see, at least in the state, among certain liberal commentators, bloggers, etc. who, I'm not gonna name names, but people who are way too into the soup will know who they are, are sort of starting to admit that

oh yeah, this thing didn't work and maybe Elon was a fucking idiot and maybe like it was very obvious that he was an idiot. Like the sort of like, you know, and I guess even the fact that the US government has basically said like, fuck those, we're not doing that. We're just going to like, you know, we like cutting things for like ideological purposes and we like saying that we're doing it. But it feels like in the UK at least, like there is like this kind of like reform adjacent group that really still sort of like, they are like the believers in it and they're still the believers in like,

they still think Elon's great and they think that he's a genius and they've sort of, there is this whole sort of like political, I don't want to say like political movement around it because it's not really that organized, but it's more just this sense of, I guess they sort of picked up that like, you can sort of use this to enact your own politics of resentment. But a lot of these people like also really lack imagination. And so it comes off as like being very mundane and it's like, oh yeah, this like county councils got loads of like woke stuff and we're going to cut it. And what they go in and they realize, oh, like the woke things that they were sort of looking for was like a little section in

the library with like a few books on, you know, it's okay to be gay or, you know, like an LGBT flag that's flown at like half mast, you know, for a couple of weeks in a year. Like those are the things that they've like sort of found in Kent and have made like a really, really big deal out of. Right. And it feels like, and so it feels more, it feels more like a signal than anything else. And I imagine with like this guy, like the sort of attempt to develop a kind of doge is more this sense of, I mean, really what he's trying, it feels like what he's trying to do is like build like a shadow security force or like a shadow like local, like a shadow local government, I suppose.

He wants to basically take this through this thing, the Bedford project. He wants to basically organize a block of voters to pressure the council into doing what he wants, which is again like crackdown on crime, arrest shoplifters, the stuff that's already illegal essentially. And he wants to ignore the fact that we have statutory obligations around social care and so on, but there's something that's really I wanted to highlight from the Bedford project, which says, it's a call to reclaim our town. I want to open with three simple questions.

Have you noticed the decline in Bedford? Do you think things are getting worse? And do you want things to get better? Have you noticed the decline in Bedford? Yes, certainly, in a lot of places. Do you think things are getting worse? You wouldn't be wrong if you said yes. And do you want things to get better?

Well, yes, of course. And right now, I go back to, is that this person is using that very real feeling to leverage a private security force for himself in his town, right? If that very real feeling is not directly addressed with the same intensity that it is felt, and it doesn't mean the intensity of tone, but the intensity of an equal and opposite solution, essentially, then there's always going to be a guy who's willing to say whatever he can so he gets his private security force in his town.

Great. Yep. So really looking forward to the left-wing populism machine getting started again as soon as possible, please. Name the party, name the party, please name the party. Yeah. I'm gonna be there, I'm gonna be there sort of like arguing for maximum age limits on the internet.

So, you know. Again, November is absolutely joining this party. No question about it. Yeah, I'm a single issue VOSU and that issue is get these old cunts off the internet. Yeah. But also, before we go as well, there's this thing, there's these discussions that like always, every three months it seems, there's a discussion about like, should there be like a left-wing dating advice or whatever for young men? Fuck off. Yeah, nonsense. But it's like, do you know what

would solve a huge amount of the alienation that you are claiming to want to address and you're like fucking, you know, this is referring to something Ian Dunt has written about like, oh, we have to counter the sort of fascist sort of dating advice that young men get. And it's like, you know what would make all of these young men feel a lot less alienated, you know, if that's what we want to feel less alienated, is answering those three questions and answering them better. That's just something that popped into my mind.

It's like, hey, all these things are connected. All the stuff about like, you know, we should have, like, a kind of a leftist thing for reproducing some part of the social fabric that's been torn asunder, it's like, that stuff, like, does fix itself organically and more convincingly if you address any of the root causes. Like, I think you can say that, like, it's the same whether it's, like, homelessness or why does every, you know why does every young white man under 20 think that Hitler was a pussy. It's just, you fix the stuff with some socialism.

You don't need necessarily to do a lot of like, and by the way we're doing a leftist dating night slash silent disco, you can offer like immediate solutions to the stuff that is like, you know, plaguing people's lives, maybe. Just a thought. Anyway, doesn't matter for me because I'm not working on that, I'm working on the age limits thing. So, best of luck to my comrades in the other caucuses. Yeah, best of luck to my comrades in the actually doing stuff caucus. I'm in the fucking with the elderly caucus. Yeah, well, I think the thing is that's my natural place in your party, or I guess our

party is somewhere where I don't think I can do a lot of damage to the revolution, you know? You know what it is? Somewhere where you can really let the whimsy out. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know what it is somewhere where you can really let like really let the whimsy out. Yeah. Yeah exactly Alright, look, I want to thank everybody for listening to the free episode today Remind you remind remind you that there is a if you have four pounds fifty There's a patreon bonus episode that will be coming out on Friday ish

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