TRASHFUTURE - Danger! High Voltage! ft. Corner Spaeti

Episode Date: September 21, 2021

Ciaran (@ciarandold) and Nick (@sternburgpapi) from Corner Spaeti (@cornerspaeti) join the gang to discuss the upcoming federal election in Germany, and then we go deep on Europe's most embarrassing party of nerds: "Volt!" If you want access to our Patreon bonus episodes, early releases of free episodes, and powerful Discord server, sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/trashfuture If you’re in the UK and want to help Afghan refugees and internally displaced people, consider donating to Afghanaid: https://www.afghanaid.org.uk/ *WEB DESIGN ALERT* Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/ *MILO ALERT* Smoke returns for another night of new material from pro-comics featuring Edinburgh Comedy Award winner Jordan Brookes. See it all, for the low price of £5, on September 28 at 8 pm at The Sekforde Arms (34 Sekforde Street London EC1R 0HA): https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/smoke-comedy-featuring-jordan-brookes-tickets-171869475227 Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and Alice (@AliceAvizandum)

Oh, I forgot to say my Saab fact, which is that Kurt Vonnegut used to be a Saab dealer. Sorry, have we forgot the Saab fact? No, no, it's the Saab fact. It's the Saab one. We're reacting to that like John Whittingdale directive that British TV, British media needs to be distinctively British by producing a Saab fact at the beginning of every episode. That's right. Like we have since all of them.

The most out of the politics thing you can do. The entire run of the show is just cut off from the beginning of the recording until this very moment. Milo, please do the inaugural, not, I mean, inaugural, what am I, what do I mean? The 400th Saab fact that we've done on this show. The listeners of this show deserve to know that Kurt Vonnegut used to run a Saab dealership before he was a successful writer. Yeah.

Yeah. And then one day he said that they were terrible cars. He's on record as saying that that's why he pivoted to writing. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Now that we have to do entirely British podcasts, we're going to have to move into Rover

fact. So your inaugural Rover fact, my dad used to drive a Rover SD1 Grand Vitesse. Oh, I don't know what the fuck that is. Alan Partridge. Yeah. I mean, with the like special trim, drove it like an absolute madman too. In the best British tradition. Welcome back to TF, the free episode.

It is Riley and Alice and Milo and we are joined by Nick and Kieran from Quarters Beatty. Nick and Kieran, how's it going? Great. I'm just living my best life in the in the capital city of Germany, baby. That's right. DuSporg. The big apple, baby. That's right.

Number one. We're in number 1. So there are a couple. We're going to talk a little bit about the German elections. The most exciting show in the world. Everyone's talking about it. Oh, baby. We are.

You joke. You joke, man. I've been surrounded by this all day for the past two weeks now. Oh, yeah. A big question is being put before the German electorate. Should it be legal to do laundry at 6 p.m. on a Sunday? Oh, God. This reminds me like, wait, did I tell this story last time that we were on the show the

last time that you were in Berlin, Milo? Like the most German shit ever. So Milo was staying with with Kieran and Milo had had a comedy show and I walked him back to Kieran's place, you know, grabbed a bite to eat or some shit. Nick's a gentleman. You know, I walk Milo to the door, you know, like, you know, sticking around trying to get invited back up to Milo's Airbnb for coffee. Yeah, but my dad Kieran was not letting me lose my virginity to someone like Nick.

Kieran's like nine square meter room that Milo was staying in, yes. And this dude just like comes down like while we're going to open the door and then just like locks the door right in front of him. And then I like, like, you know, that he unlocks it opens it and I just have like a, you know, yelling fit with him for about like, I don't know, two minutes, he just keeps yelling like, it's in my it's in my contract at eight o'clock. I have to lock the door, you know, creating like a massive fire hazard and shit for everyone else.

And yelling and being like, that makes no fucking sense. Like why would you do this and that and that and he then insisted that then like, he's a very nice man to me. He is a Yugoslav refugee. He's not familiar with the concept of fires. They just don't have fires there so you can just lock the front door if you're building and it's fine. Yeah, but it was just, it was the funniest shit because he, I mean, what is assimilation?

If not following your renters, your rental contract to the absolute T that at eight o'clock every night, you will lock the door, creating a fire hazard for the like 40 people who live in your building. I don't know. Germans have it having like a parachute visa system for former members of the Ustiza, like it's the least we can do. But before we get into the more of the German stuff, though, there are a couple, a couple of British pieces of British news.

Number one, you'll have seen there was a reshuffle recently, boring, that Hancock not reelevated to a top spot. Who cares to say although the second best thing happened, which was that Lidl. Truss was made foreign secretary opening up new pork markets. Oh yeah, the absolute tungsten rod from low orbit straight into Dominic Robb's huge head, which is being replaced by Liz Truss. Well, imagine, imagine someone not only saying offhandedly even Liz Truss could do this better than you, but actually being so desperate that they were like, let's give it a try.

And of course, Gavin Williamson is out and was seen crying on the phone to his mom and public, which is very pleasant. Very cool. Awesome. And Nadine Doris is DCMS. Oh, yeah. We have like a pulp novelist now in charge of culture. Awesome.

That's it. Yeah, we're going to have to get, we have to get Nish in and subject him to whatever books. Oh, God. Surely Gavin Williamson is too old to be crying on the phone to his mom. Surely you've got to be at least crying on the phone to your wife. Come on, man. You're like, what, 50 years old?

I just chose. I half remembered the most embarrassing novel. No, but the story said it was his mom. That was, I read that too. What they were saying, it was his mom. British media would never make something up to be sensational. We're going to run this to ground. I'm going to fact check this by searching on Twitter for Gavin Williamson and mom.

Yeah. QuoraAnswers.com. Who was he crying to? So anyway, if you, but if you like, the usual sort of, you know, procedure humpers are sort of all up in a, in a sort of tizzy because Dominic Robb sort of got like a, rather than getting sort of ignominiously fired for, you know, badly for basically botching the withdrawal from Afghanistan, which to their standards, no one could possibly have done well because they don't like that there was a withdrawal and he wasn't treating it with a salem.

Anyone would have done that. It would. Nothing would have changed. None of the, no, it doesn't matter who is in power at any of these top spots because they're there for like two years on average anyway. They all, most of the people who were moved have like huge, like the person in charge of cop, like they're being moved. Yeah.

Alex Sharma is being moved, which is fucking insane unless, you know, it doesn't matter that any of these people being in charge of any of these positions because they basically just do the same job more or less. And the Westminster circus watchers just like, you know, want to see the clowns they like rewarded. Yeah. Well, the policy is I found this very funny about the whole Dominic Robb thing where it's like, well, why isn't he doing something?

It's like, no, his job is to do nothing. He's the British foreign secretary. What you do is you show up and you go, oh, dear, oh, dear, what a shame there's nothing we can do. Oh, well, like, and all he did was not bother with that bit. He just didn't do the lip service, but like the outcome is exactly the same. Like what do you think he's going to do? Ring the Taliban and be like, oh, knock it off, chaps.

Come on. It's just not cricket. I will do a dog karate at you. Exactly. They're terrified. Liz Truss will sort them out. Yeah. He'll open up some new fucking bought markets over there and then they'll be sorry.

I think the big loss is that just one night after making a speech that's going to require sort of any like BBC or Channel 4 output to be more, quote, distinctively British, John Whittingdale is now going to have to get ugly. But what's very funny is that one of the examples that was given as TV that's going to be more distinctively British is only fools and horses. Awesome. We're going to want to make we want to make it like the 60s and 70s again to be fair. That's more recent.

Fools and horses is like 80s and 90s, but yeah, we are a traditional, traditional British television like that Freddy Frentoff thing that they show in Germany every year. Oh, yeah. Freddie Flint off thing in Germany. Yeah. Nick might be better explaining that the like, what is it Christmas or New Year's tradition of this like British comedy that only Germans watch? Oh, dinner for one.

Yeah. Yeah. Dinner for one. I don't know why I did. Oh, it's a Freddy Flint off. Just like drunk crickets at Freddy Flint off. It's a dinner for one. Tripping over a rug.

It's cool. Yes. I like to pretend that I'm better than this tradition, but I've adopted it too. Like I. It's not bad. I've watched it. It's OK. It's a little stick.

Yeah. It actually is, you know, for, you know, whenever it was made, actually it wasn't made as early as I thought it was. But yeah, you know, for the Germans having the worst sense of humor, they did pick like something actually kind of funny to watch every single year and just like drive it into the ground. And they love it. They like, like they recite it amongst themselves.

Watch it with German subtitles. Yeah. No, they don't have to. Like they kind of don't have to know what's going on. It doesn't matter. They just like even people I know who have horrible English can recite the entire thing. Like. And additionally, other examples, only fools and horses, dad's army and Coronation Street.

Coronation Street. Fucking hell. We should make stuff. We have to sort of tune British TV output to be more like those three things. Those three extremely relevant cultural products. Why this is why this is moronic, though, is because because of austerity, like we're no longer capable of making anything that good. Like like dad's army and only fools and horses were good TV shows.

Like they're well written. They're well put together. They're interesting. They like, you know, there's like they're actually funny. Whereas now we have like what Mrs. Brown's boys because like everything is just a bunch of thrillers where we can see Martin Compton either wearing a beard or not wearing a beard. Like, yeah. You couldn't make dad's army now because if you did, they would say it was woke because

it takes the piss out of the high command. So many things, though, much of what this policy is actually snuck into the Tory, like the senior Tory drive to privatize Channel 4, they're like, they're going to need money to make all this British stuff. I have a suggestion. Yeah. Okay. So speaking of austerity and just ruined TV, the UK could do what Greece did.

Because they don't have like for the longest time, they didn't have their own television. I mean, they did, but like whatever, they just started importing a shit ton of soap operas from Turkey. So do that. They're great. Right. Or as we call them Greek soap operas, I think you're fine. They imported them from us.

I am enjoying a Greek coffee watching Greek soap opera. Yes. I don't know. Pick like a random country, just import them and then have them like all horribly overdubbed and translated. We didn't have the Turkish sopranos. Or like we imported like we imported neighbors. Oh, yeah.

Oh, crikey. It's a hot day here in Basildon. Coming from Canada, I'm very familiar with like local content laws in like our publicly funded broadcast. Right. Because it was a big Canadian content thing. It is time for us to have some authentic local content time. You're missing that.

You're, that's the wrong direction. Oh, okay. Because the thing is, right, you understand why you're doing this, right? It's because the massive concentration of capital and like Netflix and Disney and stuff basically means that most stuff is kind of undifferentiated based on what, you know, like tech execs and, you know, all of the sort of pedophiles that run Hollywood. Spencer Confidential, but it's happening in West Ditsbury. Yeah, exactly.

Think that should be, should be happening, right? Spencer Confidential. And the reason that you have like a, a sort of a content law like that is because you know that without it, you just wouldn't be making anything that was distinctively your cut type of thing. Not to mention all of your best actors fucking off to America and playing Americans for the rest of their careers. Exactly.

And so it sort of makes sense, but, and it's what we did in Canada and it's why we have shows like Corner Gas in Canada, one of the best shows ever made, but yeah, it's why we have to comedic powerhouse Brett, but, but it's here, it's so clearly like again, appealing to this real thing that's actually happening and does need a policy to counteract it, but is just sort of in order to sort of do cultural parochialism and then privatize channel for it. Like it's, it's a curiously like a regulatory and authoritarian measure from a supposedly libertarian government when, you know, the, the sensible answer for this is actually just

fucking fund the arts, just throw money at shit and hope it pans out. Whereas... And we could have British Grimes. Yeah. Whereas instead of sort of like micromanaging it. So we won't have British Grimes, but we will have endless remakes of Dad's Army. Yeah. I feel that you had British Grimes like in, in at one point or am I just like...

John LeMissurier marrying a billionaire. Last little bit of, of British news before we go on to other things. The other sort of big news that dropped today is the Alcus, a new sort of subset of the Five Eyes. We're giving nuclear subs to the Australians, not nuclear arms, just nuclear power and this is attack submarine. Yeah. I'm on my way to turn some boats back to narrow.

Well, this is, this is mostly to do with basically trying to continue provoking China into annihilating us. Doesn't the Royal Australian Navy have a terrible track record of submarine safety? Yes. Famously so. Yeah. What if they had... What if, what if the nuclear powered subs was just enough responsibility to whip them

into shape? I see. The, the important thing of all of this, the silver lining is the French are pissed off. Yes. That is good. I do like that. Because the French basically agreed to like buy some nuclear subs from, tell nuclear subs to Australia.

Billion dollars of nuclear submarine technology and that deal is now fucked. Why do you not want these great French submarines? They're not even really black. They're covered in the pollution. Fuckay. Right. It's gone. They're even more upset that the Polish were going to sell them a much better deal,

only $10 billion. And they would have had the top screen door technology on each of them. I'm pretty sure that the French just like knocked on the US's door and just asked them like for some F-35s, they could get some though. I mean, like, you know, that's a trade off, right? A plane that can't fly, you know? I mean, what are the French going to do with submarines anyway? Like what, like?

The French ambassador to America was tweeting today in English being like 240 years ago, the French Navy beat the British Navy in Chesapeake Bay and we can do it again. Yeah, probably could. Wash? Wash? Why is everyone going as insane as us? What's the British Navy doing in Chesapeake Bay? The fucking French Navy might be the only Navy I rate the Royal Navy's chances against.

That's like who decrepit colonial powers, sort of like getting into fucking a handbag fight is exactly what I want to see. Like a fucking sword fight between Captain Tom and Prince Philip. Well, what does submarine fight even look like? Because... Well, you can't see anything. Have you ever seen the documentary, Hunt for Red October? Yeah.

What I demanded, Master and Commander 2, this isn't what I meant. I mean this, like, I mean this seriously, like some, like, the entire point of a submarine is that you can't like, you can't see them on radar. Like, my best friend was a, was a submariner or a submarine or whatever the fucking term is for five years in the Navy and was like describing how they would like do their drills with like aircraft carriers and destroyers. And they would get bored of the fact that they could like never find them, you know? So two submarines just like searching for each other for like weeks on end sounds fucking

horrible. Yeah, but it's all Dayton, doesn't it? Anyway, the thing about the AUKUS thing is it's just another kind of decision that sort of the, I would say, rapidly in decline sort of NATO alliance is making in order to decide that we are not going to go out without being, without getting into a war against China that we will fucking lose. Awesome. And the sort of columnist...

At least they're not investing in surface ships, which are so much scrap metal, but good lord. Yeah. And again, much to the light of columnists, we are moving the doomsday clock closer to midnight, which is like their favorite thing is when that happens, because they get to feel important. I should point out a number of total nuclear submarines operated by the People's Liberation Army Navy, six.

Number of nuclear submarines operated by the United States Navy alone, 50 something, I think. They don't have any diesel powered submarines anymore. Surely. Surely that should be the People's Liberation Navy. No. People's Liberation Army Navy. Army Navy to annoy you.

Yeah. Just to annoy very particular people. 68. Nuclear submarines in the US Navy. Yeah. Gotta have more of those. All the submarines. Yeah.

Anyway. One more. Exactly one more is what we need. So that's, but that's just a little bit of the news today. Let's get into our core topic. Many decides in a contest between the ruling party and the finance minister of the ruling coalition. What's going on?

How many nuclear submarines do we have? That's actually a weirdly important, weirdly important topic. NATO is a big, big factor of this election, even though is anyone actually committed to leaving it, destroying it from the inside, vandalizing its headquarters? You're already like seven steps ahead of us. This is actually the main thing that the very conservative media in Germany, which is the majority of it, if not all of it, have been hammering Die Linke or the left party about, saying that because there is, as is very typical with any left-wing party in continental

Europe, is that they're split on pretty much every issue on the board from, you know, when it leftists who don't agree with it. All right. Yeah. Crazy. When it comes to things like, you know, NATO, when it comes to things like, especially in Germany, Israel, Palestine, when it comes to things like, you know, I don't know, other lame bullshit that then like leftists have an opinion about, like no other sane person

actually should, like was Walter Ulbrecht or Erich Harnick a better? There's parties that then in Germany, you know, will like side with one or the other. It's just basically Barney in the bar going, Lord, farmers. But yeah. So they've all been hammering on Die Linke saying that then that they want to get out of NATO, which part of the party has been like critical of NATO. But I don't think that they've made it a party policy to the point that then like Dietmar Habash, who's one of the party heads of it, said that like that was never like, that's

one of the first things that they're like willing to compromise on if they're invited into a coalition. Is it like, yeah, we'll stay in NATO. We'd like, like we do not give a shit. I mean, importantly, they would never reach the numbers to actually implement it, even if they did want to leave NATO. They're also like, we're so excited with everything else. You got me very excited for a second.

Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing is that like I would collapse without Germany. Die Linke is currently polling around like six to seven percent, which I mean, Germany has a five percent, you know, threshold for entering parliament. They could possibly in a weird turn of events, just not even make it in, which would be pretty shitty.

Again, would not surprise me with how conservative Germany is that there is a right word push after Mako. I think that then that's like one of the most important things is that then like Mako, whatever you want to say about her, she was more progressive than the rest of her party and her party is having a massive reshuffling that we can surely get into. They're bringing in Liz Tross. She'll sort of know. Yeah.

But the thing with Die Linke is that the possibility of them ending up in a coalition is like kind of up in the air, but they would be... I want to just move back for a sec. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because one of the things, right, is Germany, Germany doesn't sort of, doesn't have really a winner take all system like Britain does. Instead, you guys tend to have big governing coalitions, right?

Germany theoretically could have one. They have just historically never... Germany, I don't know what the historical reason for this, of why there's been these two major... I mean, I do to a degree, but why it's always been in the sense that then that there's never been a situation where the CDU or the SPD has had 50% of the vote. Because we have to remember too that then that Germany has practically a one-party system. Like, yes, there is the SPD, but the CDU has been the party that then everyone gets to...

The default party. Yeah. They're the default party that then you more or less are allowed to govern with. There have been two times that they have not been in a coalition in the entire postwar history of Germany. So it's... Yeah. But like, so theoretically, you could have a winner take all system like the UK historically

has never allowed it to happen. There's been one case, I think, recently with the Schroder government where it was just a red-green coalition. The Greens were just to get them over the bit that they needed. And the Greens got very weird ministries like the foreign ministry, which was a big deal with Afghanistan because the person who decided upon this was a green politician to go into Afghanistan who was actually from the anti-war movement. A green politician ending up being a massive foreign power, right?

Yeah. I'm crazy. Well, no. Like, it was... Yeah, you have to think about then the sense too that that was not only just in the sense that it was a green dude doing it. It was Germany's first actual deployment, not in a NATO sense, since World War II. You need peacekeepers to go over there and make sure people are sorting the recycling

correctly. Yeah. What could be more German than that? So it looks like the story of the election, sort of so far, right, has been the collapsing... A relative collapse in support for the CDU, the SPD sort of taking up a little bit of that, but almost just sort of lower enthusiasm across the board. It seems like the election, gentlemen and ladies, I think the vibes are fucked. Oh, no.

I would disagree. I don't know. I think that the vibes of the German election are actually refreshing to have them, dominexciting for a bit. It makes me feel like I can make fun of the Germans for once because you're like, oh, wow, you're from the US. You had Donald Trump. It's like, you have the literal fucking Kiebler elf running of the head of the CDU.

So tell me about who's in charge of the CDU now and what are they... What's their whole deal? Do you think they're going to get into a coalition? Who wants to take this first? Yeah, go Kieran. My dumb guy prediction is SPD will get the largest vote share, Greens might even get the second most largest vote share, or they'll do like historically great. And in classic German fashion, the CDU will end up in charge again.

That is like my dumb guy prediction for this whole thing. So it's worth pointing out that the only difference between chancellor and prime minister systems is that the person in charge of the party is not the person they put forward for their candidate. So there's the interesting thing with... So yes, Kieran mentioned the head of the CDU is currently this lovely fellow named Amin Laschet, who is the minister president of Nordland-Westfalen, or what is it? North, Rhine, Westphalia is the English term or whatever.

Yeah, most populous German state. Yeah, he's also probably one of the most cloned. That's what clone is, right? Exactly, yeah. So he announced his candidacy drunk as hell at Kahnival. Dude's rock. Dude's rock. He...all right, all right, all right, Amin Laschet sucks, but he is a definition of

German dudes rocking. Dude has mine and dude and g'rocked. There's a video of him that then appeared the other day where he's like in a school classroom, they're doing this song and he's like so unenthusiastically trying to go along with them and is just tapping his foot and that is it. He is incredibly awkward. He has been responsible, him alone for four, not just like controversies, but like full on out corruption scandals within the last year.

One part be funded because of Corona, another part because that he is way too good a friend with the largest meat production company in Germany. Hell yeah. Just like... Oh, that first baby. I mentioned him once before on a previous Trash Future episode that he's the one who did corruption with his son to get him more Instagram deals. Yes.

Yes. But even in charge of the country, I don't care. Yeah. The Tomp family of Deutschland, the biggest tragedy of him possibly not becoming the next Chancellor would be that we don't get Joe Laschet, the boy prince of Germany. Yeah. I do love a political fail son. Yeah.

Yeah. I want Amin Laschet to see his absolute power, so he's like the fucking kid, Lukashenko's kid in Belarus. Oh, yeah. Kolya. We love Kolya, Lukashenko. Yeah. But so the thing with Laschet...

And he said tonight... Oh. Oh, I didn't see you in the corner there, King. Well, I also love potato like my father. I also sound like this. Yeah, that's right. It is genetic voice. Amin Laschet was doing all right until there was the massive floods in Germany in his

state of NFA and also in Rheinland-Pfalz, the state to the north of him or west or whatever. I don't fucking know. It doesn't really matter. I'm not good at geography. I'm good at podcasting. They don't overlap. You're American. It's a lobe in the brain that you lack.

Yeah. It's fine. And I mean, I live in Germany and I can't name all the states, so like hell yeah. But so Amin Laschet really, after all the scandals that then that he had, the thing that then really had him, him and his party tank in the polls was the response of the floods that he was just really bad about. And you kind of see too that then within that there's been a transition to the polls from Laschet's popularity, not even Laschet's popularity, but like the CDU was like polling

around 30% and then it's just been like nose diving and they know like they dove a little bit during the like masks scandal that they had, like for those who don't know Germany had it that then that only one mask was legal in this country, the FFP2 mask, which was the one from the mask with Jim Carrey. Exactly. Everyone in Germany was getting full sick, I mean, no one could stop us asking them to but no one could. But the thing was, is that it ended up being that then a lot of members of the CDU passed

it so that they could like money launder or they could just like make a bunch of money off of this thing. Oh, what? Yeah. I know. Crazy, right? I love how corrupt Europe is. The CDU is like an Italian level of corruption to the point that then that there may be a

woman, May, I'm just simply, you know, no libel here. A woman, for those who don't know also, the CDU had like a massive paper trail leading to then like them being way too close to the Azerbaijani dictator, whose name I forget. And one woman died in Cuba, like an active member of the CDU died on a flight, very suspiciously died on a flight back from Cuba. She was not supposed to be there too, which is even like weirder before turning the Havana syndrome right on herself. Yeah.

But if we, if we like the CDU, I mean, also like before we sort of move on from the CDU as well, right? The Christian democracy is of course a very like, you know, European concept that definitely came from Europe and is popular because it's popular among Europeans. What's a more European weapon than the gladio? You know? Classic figureheads of Christian democracy, Aldo Moro, some others, presumably, because like the Christian, Christian Democrat, all of these sort of the Christian democracy movement

is basically just like, like with the prospect of the CDU possibly losing power in Germany. I'm sure like for like, like just absolutely decrepit, like Italian, like ultra fascists and like their CIA handler are getting their Zimmer frames out to do one more bombing. Oh yeah. It's time for real brabant hours again. So, you know, talking about people who are open fascists, the CDU, all right, so remember how I mentioned that then Mackle has been kind of this like figure who's been holding the CDU together.

The CDU has maybe not been popular, but Mackle has. And there is this like rumored, not rumored, there's this like lie that Germans tell themselves that Germans vote for parties, not politicians. Mackle has literally been the antithesis of this, that people who voted typically CDU, sorry, SPD or Green maybe in the past voted for Mackle overwhelmingly the last four elections. She has been. On argue with that ass. She's been overwhelmingly the most popular politician in this country, probably in the

entire post war period. I mean, even, yeah, okay, there's like figures like like Billy Brant and like Helmut Schmidt. But remember like Schmidt had, wait, was it Schmidt or Brant had to like step down because like a GDR scandal, like there are like people like Helmut Kohl had to step down because of a corruption scandal that then we had to do with like illegal funds being pumped. Like I'm again, yeah, CDU corrupt, you know, history baby, but Mackle has been this figure who's kind of kept this, this like false narrative of this progressive version of the CDU together. And now that she's gone, all of like the true CDU members have been like, like bubbling

back up to the surface. One of them being a Hans Georg Massen who is running in, turning in for a seat that probably may go to the left of the SPD. But the reason that they're running him and doing is because like the racist there, it's East Germany. He is an open Nazi. He got fired from his job at the head of the Bundeshafassungs-Schutz, so like the German equivalent of the FBI for like not investigating Nazi crimes that then were in Chemnitz during

a protest thing. And he just kind of brushed it off. He also like may or may not have tampered with evidence of the NSU too trials. And he openly told the alternative for Germany, the far-right wing party that then has kind of popped up within the last election, how to avoid an investigation from his own department. And then on the 8th of May, like just kind of like praise the Nazis on a Zoom call, which for those who don't know, 8th of May is when World War II ended, you know, so like he's a Nazi.

Great day for the Nazis. Yeah. And he's not the only one. Like there are people all throughout this party who were kind of like bubbling back up of like almost as though this sort of whole Christian democracy movement was maybe created, for example, by the Americans in Europe to rehabilitate a bunch of ex-Nazis and little has changed. Crazy.

I love the idea that he was praising the Nazis on a Zoom call, but it was just like a family Zoom call. But crazy uncle again. The thing is, if you don't want the CDU in there, sort of, you know, far-right corrupt chicanery, then you could always vote for the SPD, because that's the other thing about Germany, right? Is that if you vote for the main opposition party, chances are you'll be voting like the current head of the SPD.

It's the duff beer pipes, right? Yeah. Because like Olaf Schultz is the current vice chancellor. So you're kicking out, you are literally kicking out one guy to replace him with someone who works for him. Last election, their entire campaign was, remember the GroKo, the great coalition between the two parties. We're not going to do that again.

A couple of months of negotiations, we're doing it again. And chances are, he's talking in debates and impresses that like he loves the GroKo. I love my time in the GroKo. It's been great. And but like the entire thing is just like, yeah, we'll do it again. But this time we're topping. This time we're going to be in charge. Me and the boys in the GroKo.

Yeah. And the gut sipping on full. Also, like, yeah. The guy who was finance minister, the guy who was finance minister, while the wire card thing was happening. Oh, and comics. Oh, and comics. Yeah.

Yeah. The wire card went big trouble with the German government, because this is nowhere near the level of corruption, which we expect from a German company. Yeah. It's like what I'm sort of trying to driving it right is that it seems like there is just like Germany, German politics or the German electoral politics, aside from maybe Delinke is sort of just everyone kind of agreeing with one another and all giving each other jobs.

Yeah. Yeah. It's Germany, baby. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's we have six major parties, five of them all kind of agree with each other and the sixth one doesn't agree with itself. Yeah.

So that's the exception that proves the rule. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, you said this wasn't exciting. You said German politics were bullshit, yet here we are, you know, having a having a laugh about about this. You know, normal complicated bullshit and on the other end here, right, you want to go up a level so that there's a lot of talk about what this means to the European Union, right?

If you get someone like Shultz in there, there's the talk of the sort of columnist class is that this could herald a a a as Timothy Garten Ash wrote in a very stupid Guardian article, the necessary alignment for a post COVID period of dynamic European reform, which I assume he means giving sort of massive subsidies to favored businesses and sort of agreeing on a kind of continent wide slow erosion of the rights of workers and brutalization of migrants. So in your opinion, it was illegal to subsidize private companies with state money? Never.

No, I understand that that was the reason why we had to leave so that we could subsidize businesses. So to be like, all right, like I'm, I'm, I'm, I do not like Olaf Schultz. I mean, I don't. There's also a mayor of Hamburg during the G20 protests, he's like a big military cop guy as well. Yeah. However, the thing I think that's the most important thing with all of this of that,

if like the thing that the SPD is at least willing to like negotiate about, not even just negotiate about that, then that they've made a big part of their campaign is that they're willing to scrap the debt break, which is, which is something that is like written in Germany's constitution that they are like not allowed to like run a deficit. And it isn't even so much of the, well, not, sorry, they're not allowed to take on new debt. They're not running a deficit thing is the, is the CDU's version of like an even more extreme version.

So the CDU has had something called the black zero, which they have done their entirety up until Corona and Corona had Germany like actually run a budget deficit for the first time in their like modern history. So the thing like that's quite interesting is that then that if the SPD wins, which they probably are, you know, they, they were the most unpopular major party in Germany a few months ago, had an uptick currently polling between 20 to 25 to 27%, depending on which, which polls you look at. It's like Olaf Scholz is well liked probably because he's so goddamn boring.

And they're probably going to go into a coalition with the Greens and most likely the FDP. Now what's interesting about this is that the FDP is a party who wants to preserve the debt break up until yesterday, a little bit of inside baseball. Is that Christian then know the head of the FDP has kind of hinted that he's willing to scrap their obsession with this debt break. So the thing that then is going to come down to it at the end of the day is when Germany comes into coalition building, it's going to come down to this like literal one stupid issue, which is what to do about Germany's ability, like constitutionally, like, like

bound ability to take on new debts and like negative interest rates as well. There's like no reason for them. It's like nerdy bullshit. But at the same time, like you can so easily explain it. Anyone who's been to like Berlin or like a bunch of other major cities out in the West and wonders why like Europe's leading economy looks like fucking shit. This is why they don't spend any money. So the FDP, like, I mean, not to not to give them, you know, too much of the spotlight,

but they have kind of like really like they're pulling around 11% currently right now. They're probably going to be the first ones to go into a coalition with the the SPD and the Greens. So they will be what is called a traffic light coalition in Germany. And they are probably going to gun for the finance ministry, which to like like put that into some perspective is like, you're like dumb libertarian high school friend is then now head of the like most powerful economy in Europe. Christian Linder is like a briefcase kid.

Oh, yeah. Like no shit. He was footage. So I want to talk a little bit, though, about one more party, a party that might not be getting the 5% it needs to enter to enter the Bundestag. But but the Matankochen party as but when we want to talk about briefcase high school kids, is there like natural home? It is the expression of the power of high school briefcase kids.

It's vault. Yes. Oh, yeah. In my mind, the like John Cena music was like building up before you mentioned that. Right. We've talked about all those boring old parties that are going to, you know, we have caught, captured and compromised to a permanent end. They need for backpacks in school.

From 10. We got them because all these these parties are the ones that are sort of duking it out over yesterday's issues. Like, for example, should Germany be able to borrow money to fund the stuff it does? Or who cares? Yeah. Germany being NATO. Yeah, stupid.

Boring. We want to know when are you going in ATMs? Yeah. Bitcoin ATMs, more telehealth. I want everything to be a Zoom call. I want it to be illegal to wedgie me. I want to tell my doctor over Zoom that the Nazis were much misunderstood. Can you please tell me what is vault?

Oh, my God, what is in vault? So for anyone who hasn't listened to Cornish Beatty before, they won't really know about our terminal fascination with vault. Are you mean your? Yeah, mine, mine, my terminal fascination. I stopped appearing on vault episodes because I can't take it anymore. It's like Kieran has the Pepe Silvia board behind him. Yeah, it's the Pepe Silvia mean.

But so basically, if I were to somewhere, OK, vault on their own terms are a pragmatic, progressive pan-European party. When they're pan-European, does that mean there's a pole vault? Oh, thank you, my love, desperately unpopular in Eastern Europe. What a surprise. Like, excuse me, are you in favor of ethnic cleansing? No, they're big in like the Netherlands and, you know, like, yeah, Germany. They're the weed smoking.

Sista countries. Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah. So like the trajectory was they got an MEP in 2019 in Germany, the country, the easiest place to get an MEP in. And they got three MPs in the Netherlands, in the National Parliament, the country that's easiest to get into the National Parliament. They are basically, imagine, imagine the Greens. Imagine every European social democracy party currently without

without any of the radical history, without any of the protest power in the in the past that might convince you to vote for them or stay voting. Kieran, I'm sorry. Being like the son of a McKinsey, like CEO is revolutionary. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, because you're choosing to go into public service. But I do it. Don't get it.

The party was founded by three friends, an Italian, a German and a French woman who met in McKinsey and company while working there. Walks into a bar together. Yes, they decided to like just do austerity. The southeast of France. The Italian guy and the French girl have since left the party. This is Christine Lagarde, Mario Draghi and Voltaic Schoipel. Meeting to fucking murder Greens.

What are you doing? If that's the Muppets, Volta's Muppets babies. Yeah, it's an incredibly hollow party, but does kind of campaign and have like Valplicata posters everywhere, being like, we want to do social housing like in Vienna, you know, ignoring all the big communist history that resulted in that. And like you see these posters and they do well in student towns, which I guess technically Berlin is as well,

where you see that. How do you think they don't like support radical measures for housing that are currently in the city, but they really do not, absolutely do not. Other positions they have, they're really, really against the reintroduction of a wealth tax because, and I kid you not, their MEPs that they have from Germany, whose name is Damien Buzalaga, or actually Damien Horonemus Johannes Freiherr von Buzalaga, of the Buzalaga family.

But Buzalaga, the beer made in my asshole. His granddad was involved in the July 20th plot, which they all claim that. That's like my grandfather was in the French resistance. No, no, no, he actually was. Like, you don't understand the July 20th plot from the actual German perspective, because the July 20th plot was, I would like to be Hitler now, please.

Mom said it's my turn on the Reich's furor ship. It's a tactical disagreement with the Nazi party in 1944, not an ideological one. OK. So, and naturally in the Netherlands as well, the people who fund this party are, with the exception of some FinTech startup people, are mostly people with fawns and fans and graph and fry hair in their names, like former nobility of these countries.

A couple of them put together, like graph, fry, hair, fawn, and so on. Oh, yeah, you can stack those, you know, the bonuses add up. And it's a bunch of cons, basically. Yeah, and they really, really, really want you to believe that they are the most progressive option that you can pick from, because they are willing to show you all the donations that are made. Are there any limits on the donations? No, of course not.

No, no, no. Are companies forbidden from donating? No, no, no, absolutely not. Would you limit the taxes that people in companies could pay? Doesn't sound very progressive to me. No, no, absolutely not. Would you stop, would you stop an individual person from Munich donating to the party and then also his social media for authors

company donating to the party under a different name? Of course not. No. He's on Instagram, like bench pressing with books to advertise his social media for. So you mean to tell me, you mean to tell me, you mean to tell me that he took your joke and made it a reality? Yeah, what a kind. What a piece of shit.

I am sorry to announce that the dude didn't have once again garage. So I think 250 pounds, and that's with the right arm alone. What about the left reading poems? So hundreds of copies of Atlas shrugged. It's this party of it's this party of dorks that are basically like don't even have the history of like Starmer's labor. Basically, yes. Yeah, our board of spinkly in the German context don't have the history

of the greens, which as much as they suck now, at least they were like. They're a radical environment. I mean, yeah, like that also. But which which party has had a fee. And then like but also like anti NATO stuff and like anti like Germany should never rearm ever because, you know, things happen. Invading Afghanistan. Yeah. Yeah.

So but they've they've departed. What does what does vault actually stand for? Because you've shown me a big list of some of their policies. And could you give me some of the big hits? I think the best thing of this is that actually from my end of this, I know Kieran has been wrecking his brain left and right. I'm a brain with vault is that I I interact with them here and there. The thing that I love about them is that they're all really dumb.

And I think that like my Twitter avi is actually me. For those who don't know, my Twitter avi is Paul Wall. Yeah, it's you. Yeah, it's me. And they just every day is calling up the jewelry store in town and making a grill. Exactly. I mean, you know, you see it. But so they like they're the kind of they're the kind of fucking idiots who like will screen cap me and be like, look at this guy. And cannot even have a briefcase

calls himself a political commentator. He has a grill, but no briefcase. But they cannot post the Sather lives. No, no, no, not at all. They there was there was one case where they were going against the appropriation campaign, which is going on in Berlin of just to back up for a second. There is a current thing that that is on the Berlin level for the elections,

because it isn't just national, it isn't just a federal election this year. There's also some national elections, sorry, state elections. And then certain like local direct democracy, things that can be voted for. One of the things in Berlin can be that then that. Sees all the apartments of the mega property management. Exactly. Sure. Yeah. So the dream, the dream measure. Yeah. Yes. It's also widely popular, Alice.

Yeah. Crazy, right? So for any of the TF listeners who are in in Berlin who can vote, yeah, I mean, they probably already know, but, you know, just shouting it out twice to one Coen Eignen is sick. Corners Bay tea has had multiple episodes about this and we support them. Even if you're in Berlin and you can't vote, I voted six times already. Exactly. Put on a series of disguises. Get a briefcase.

I got a fake ID, y'all. I'm going to vote. Germany, Germany, just got dinner for one. They don't know who Grotto Marx is. You can wear the glasses. That will work. But if you start changing the mustache, don't go too far in. That's all. The freaking German monster.

Volk did a thing that then that they are explicitly against the Deutsche Von Coen Eignen campaign because they want to be like like Vienna. And then I like, I mean, just me and my dumb stupidity was like, they just want to do a public-private partnership. And this Volker just then responded with the definition of a PPP, saying that it was different. And I feel that that's all the different thing. The perfect example of what this party is that they're so bad at grifting

that they will like try to like gaslight and grift you and not really know trick themselves. Yeah, exactly. Also, like if you look, you can sort of know on one level, like, no, these people do not want to do anything that's like Vienna. They want to do public-private partnerships that will sort of they can say are going to be like Vienna because if you want to do something like Vienna, that requires you to have at some point mass expropriated a lot of the owners. If you want to do a PPP, you exist already.

Then is Berlin like Berlin like Germany is is the perfect PPP country where nothing can get done because there are so many different connections between them. Like, I mean, you know, there's the example of the airport that just finished like what last year, two years ago. The reason that is over schedule. Yeah, the reason that it didn't finish wasn't because of the state. It was because the state cut corners giving out contracts to people who couldn't fulfill them, you know, or like we see this with like hurricane relief in the U.S. and shit.

Yeah, I mean, this just seems like blairism without the labor policy. Yeah, yeah, there's a bit of that. I mean, there's also a great deal more. Oh, it's Change UK. You guys created a Change UK from like, you know, from you have a you have. That's the grassroots of Change UK created a party, the briefcase people. They made one. Yeah, really, but Riley in every major Western European economy. Oh, I mean, the political parties are just like expret have to be understood

just as expressions of tendencies and preferences and stuff like it's expressions as sort of the relative power of sort of different interest groups. And it means that because there are enough like rollerback pack people, you're never going to get away from that tendency in politics. But my God, is it the most just nails on a chalkboard annoying one? You do Vault, Vault UK to get Britain to rejoin. I want to see German guys with briefcases doing door to door in Basildon. Oh, Milo, you sweet, sweet summer child.

Did you not know that vault? Oh, no, no, no, Milo put the lace down. Vault UK has run in. Let me check the terrifying spreadsheet that I keep. They have they have run on a local level in. Oh, my God, what the what was the name of this place? It's got a stupid English tiny name. I want to say it's like Warwickshire or something like those.

OK, no, sorry. Coppington and Leek Wooten in Warwickshire. OK, there you go. One Louis Peradiago is running for Vault there in the local council. They've also won. Oh, oh, right. They've also run. They ran as an independent in the last EU elections before you guys left.

And they ran in Scottish elections as well with renew Scotland. Do you want to hear the way I forgot about the funniest vault thing? Holy shit. How did I forget about this? There was a guy who sued Germany, who is a member of Vault, because he was from the UK and is not allowed because of Brexit to run in Germany anymore and seems to have forgotten that Brexit happened. So look, amazing. You can get you can you can you can check out what Vault believes.

They believe that that Europe faces five plus one challenges, right? Plus one. So the first challenge is about the number six. Well, I don't know why five plus one. Oh, it's plus one EU reform. They added that last one late. That's the actual reason the five challenges are the smart state such as and that has such weasel words as not enough computers.

Yes, they want to digitize public services to reduce waste going. Which basically they want to replace government with going on the computer. They want to modernize education systems, which means replacing school with going on the computer. Yeah, way ahead of you. They want to make high quality health care available to everyone. Guess what that means going on the computer? Oh, boy, is it ever taking your weird dick problem on the computer?

Ripley start post a picture of your dick on Reddit and see if they can figure out what's wrong, providing, providing a fair, transparent legal system with effective law enforcement on the computer. I think no, that just means more cops. I got the vaccine. My balls are so big. Riley, speaking of which, the Berlin chapter of volt is still in favour of having a random

warrantless spot checks in crime-ridden areas. No, no, no, no, no. OK, no, I love calling it a chapter. It makes it sound like a biker gang. Yeah, I know, right? Rather than through this world. They basically said in the description, 99 a boo boo don't do racism. So, you know, there won't be any racism with the random spot checks

in crime-ridden areas. Yeah, I read their report on this and they were like, oh, we will combine this with police try like just stuff that has been proven to not work. Well, it worked this time because German police are famously very good at following orders. Yeah, imagine giving yeah, imagine giving German the German police the like power of like stop and frisk. I mean, they already kind of have it like informally, but just like

you can't you can't do racist cops here. Like the Greeks are still different race according to them. Those will be just terrible. I know, I know, I know. I feel the Greeks are the only people who are a different race. I'll have you know. More research needs. Some Germans will implement smart railings on the guard tower

to protect our law enforcement. The economic reticence. That's the second challenge there. 1930s vote running everything of a big IBM computer. They want to tackle unemployment with innovative working schemes and easing the setting up of small businesses. Also, they want to create a European labor platform, which I can only as far as I've been able to tell, it's like a publicly funded LinkedIn.

Going to be on the computer. Oh, they love LinkedIn. Yeah, like all the party. You've got to do it and you've got to LinkedIn. Yeah, I think the the European jobs platform is even worse than that. I think it's literally just a European wide monster.com or monster.com. Why is no one thought to do this like monster.com? No, monster energy drink for all Europeans.

Yes, get buck wild. Now next will be for locals for every European. I am for this. That would be awesome. Fear locals, a German equivalent. So like create a unified European social and fiscal system. Is it that just called the European Superstate? Yeah, they also have the most backwards opinion of like how to go about

making their federal Europe project because they're like, we're going to get into the European Parliament and we're then going to do this. And I was like, that's not who's in control of this. Like you should be getting into like you should be trying really like the guy who's the head of the party is the one MEP they have. And it should be the people they elect is the Dutch Parliament because they actually have more power by being in the Dutch Parliament. They think they could they still think the EU is like this top down thing

rather than like, no, it's the member states. The member states still run this because they all they all probably like went to did some kind of eye art degree where you sort of have to learn some, you know, hinky theory of European integration. It's like, oh, it's actually driven by, you know, actually drink enough of the Kool-Aid that you believe ever closer union. Yeah, I think the best way to put this into perspective for anyone who is, you know, not familiar with the stupidity of European politics,

which on TF is probably not the case. But to maybe an American listening to TF, it is a party of just people to judges. That is that's the easiest way to describe it. They all worked like literally the party heads all worked at McKinsey and Co. Every single responsibility, Greek lives matter. Yeah. OK, Riley's reading the modern five plus one.

When we read it back in 2019, had a lot more slurs in it. They genuinely had the corporate responsibilities, Black Lives Matter line, except it was about it was they were talking about digitalization. And then the end of the logs all the time, which I really didn't appreciate. But, you know, I thought it was a digitalization. And then it veered into like pro-choice language. If you go on the computer enough, you will develop the ability to no longer become Greek.

That is right. Hence why I don't know how a computer works, just genetically unable to. So they also talk about there. Another goal is social equality. And I mean, again, these are all like, you know, a quite laudable a quite laudable set of goals, such as stopping our discrimination, alleviating sort of poverty and homelessness. But like once you look at all their other goals, right,

you can't take any of that seriously because we want to alleviate poverty and homelessness, but we will do everything we can to make sure that, like the big landlords in Germany get to keep all of their will do anything. But what works to achieve all of these laudable goals that we can all agree on? Basically, one of the big and early criticisms we had of back in 2019 was that they basically have no analysis of what's happening in the individual member states of the EU. They are too like European EU wide lens.

So the Buck Wilde stuff does come out when they're running nationally and they have to take positions. This is where like all the all the various German state elections that have happened this year so far, like in Baden-Württemberg and stuff like that, is where they have stated their opinion and never did before. But they've stayed the opinion because they've been forced to because the politics of the country to say we oppose a reintroduction of a wealth tax. Because if anyone doesn't know, Germany's progressive tax system stops really early.

Like if you earn 48,000 euros. Yeah, like your top bracket, huh? That is the top bracket. Yes, very, very, very easy to get there. A school teacher is taxed as much as like any one million times richer than them. Yeah. And Volt is like, good, we're keeping it. Yeah. Germany has already attained the best. We know we need we.

How can we make going on the computer more of a big part of this? Yes, basically also because they list all their donors and stuff by name. And when the name is given, classic pro tip, take the last name of that person and search for Volt and then find their son or daughter running for the party. This is worked remarkably well. Take your kid to campaign day. Essentially, absolutely just creating Europe, sort of what next generation of of revolving door, true believer, neoliberals.

But like represent what they the thing is in the 1990s, right? This political tendency had real heft behind it. It was actually it was convincing a lot of people. Yeah, way. Yeah, it was the thing. It was the other third way that happened in Germany. Yeah, this is this. It was a political tendency that was a real political tendency. Like you said, it was that it had heft.

It had, you know, it was quite, you know, not good what it did, but it did sort of do things. It was God have it was the thing that emerged in the aftermath of the end of the Cold War, just like trying to sort of act it out again because you were excited about because you were excited about it and wanted to do that when you were a kid, just seems sort of faintly ridiculous. There is a sense of like with like the vault people, the people who kind of like make up the actual party

and some of the diehard supporters that there is like a sense of like failed prophecy behind this because the idea of the European Union not becoming like this glorious federation bastion of like progressive rights. Then like then you start to ask as an individual, well, what the fuck are we doing then? Like, what is this meant to be? It's it's it's an economic agreement, dog. It always it always it literally is the sense of like the two astronauts,

like the one with the gun behind it, like it was always wasn't it? Yeah, like, yeah, it's always been exactly. It is it's never changed. Yeah. Yeah. It's always been like the social arm of NATO. Yeah. And there is like they're like, like I think it is in the sense of like like living in Europe long enough as a as a dumb, dumb American. There is like a bit of like the like European federalism stuff

that then like does like tickle my fancy a bit because Europe, like, especially in the sense where you have like things like the ECB and whatnot, things that like literally can't function because there's no communicate. Like, oh, yeah, like this is my most liberal opinion is the sort of like, you know, the the Gandhi joke about Western civilization. I was like, if we're going to have the EU as a sort of like ever closer, you know, transnational union that transcends borders and allows like, you know, a shared vision of progressivism and human rights sounds great.

When are you going to start? Yeah. Yeah. And like if we are now currently engaged in this Cold War against China, which is deeply stupid and we shouldn't be. But if we are going to be anyway, as it seems we are, then the only way that like Europe is going to be at all relevant and that is as Europe rather than as like Britain and France, yeah, about giving submarines to Australia. So if you're fucking real politic, yeah.

And I mean, like, I think in the sense, too, of that, then, I mean, like, like I being a dumb American who gets to live in Germany with like a European passport that is not a German passport is like kind of nice, you know, like, I'm not going to I'm not going to bitch about it. But at the same time, it's like then there is these things like that I can understand from then. Yeah. Like, I mean, the ECB is the example that I used that then it's like the I think I may like the last time I was in the show came and talk about

like the sense of that the the vaccination thing that then was apparently to be done by like the European like centralized thing that then never really happened because like Angela Merkel is like way too much of like a like like Eurofile. And there are things and programs that like if Europe was given more authority, they probably exercise more efficiently than individual countries in some regard. And maybe like vaccinations aren't one of them, but like budgets and you know, monetary policy and physical policy when you were on a common currency

is probably one that then like Europe or or not even just like that type of stuff like investments and all these kind of other stuff, especially like transition is in like a green economy. Volt never actually answers these things, though. It's just a it's a vibe. It's simply in the sense of a club. Yeah, it's in a sense of like we want an infinite idea then of a feel good, you know, Erasmus party where Rob has made the joke a thousand times

in our show about getting a hand job in a in a in a foam party in Spain with like no politics behind it. Like like pan Europeanism, like at its core is like actually probably something that could like make this continent better to live on, you know, or this like sub Asian content that we live on. But infinite PPPs is like going to make this place like Berlin everywhere or, you know, London everywhere, wherever it is, you know, like I don't think. Most importantly, Volt in Berlin announced their manifesto as slam poetry.

And that's what's really going to make change. Well, I think that's probably as good a place as any to to call it and to give the official TF endorsement for a vault. Yeah, you can go to the official TF briefcase from our website. I'm here actually telling you to vote for that's right. Yes, the base in Germany, a.k.a. time to explain this. Oh, Al-Qaeda. OK, good.

I thought it was going to be something of a different. Yeah, fine. That that base. Fine. Vote for them. Not the other one. Definitely not the other one. All right. Perfect. I think like, yeah, like we said, we think that's about enough time. Nick and Kieran, thank you so much for coming on.

Thank you for having us. Time. Yeah, I love being on here. Don't forget to check out Corner Speedy for all of your European politics needs. Also, a quick plug. Smoke comedy, 28th of September. It's a Tuesday night. I remember doing these. Come come to that.

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