TRASHFUTURE - Dial M for Musk ft. Paris Marx

Episode Date: December 5, 2023

Paris Marx of Tech Won't Save Us joins the gang to delve into the past of Elon Musk to explain his present day fascinations and oddities. We all know about the Emerald Mine, but how many of us know about the staircase kicking, or the baffling chiropractic grandfather? If you want access to our Patreon bonus episodes, early releases of free episodes, and powerful Discord server, sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/trashfuture Medical Aid for Palestinians: www.map.org.uk *STREAM ALERT* Check out our Twitch stream, which airs 9-11 pm UK time every Monday and Thursday, at the following link: https://www.twitch.tv/trashfuturepodcast *WEB DESIGN ALERT* Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here: https://www.tomallen.media/ *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s upcoming live shows here: https://www.miloedwards.co.uk/live-shows Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and Alice (@AliceAvizandum)

Today on the podcast, you would like to more in the passing of a very influential figure whose work was known, I would say all around the world across borders, but specifically for remaking Europe in the latter half of the 20th century. Touched lives, countless lives. And of course, we are talking about a heartfelt RIP to Sticky Vicki, the most famous stripper in Benadorm, who has transformed Anglo-Spanish relations. One of Britain's finest exports. No, she was Spanish. Really. No, she was Spanish.

Really? Yeah, she was Spanish. Oh, okay. All right, well, in any case, she certainly made version of Sarah, like abstaining the people of Benadon by, oh, one time pulling a lit light ball out of her vagina, which is the list of things

that this one ejects from her vagina. Yeah. Henry Kissinger could never, no, the list of things that this one ejects is from Havagina. Yeah. Henry Kissinger could never. No, the list of things that Henry Kissinger ejects is from Havagina, much, much shorter. Yeah. No, we are also, of course, commemorating the passing of Henry Kissinger. You, you, you, gamer horns, you know, we got him.

He's finally been compromised to a permanent and died at age. Finally got him. Yeah. Someone the age. And finally got him. Yeah. Someone found his like, you know, a phallac to reel whatever, you know, and finally his like, lich existence has ended. Yeah, one of the, one of the people who I think is single-handedly responsible for the greatest backsliding

of human dignity, democracy, at any kind of quality of life or even simply just simple comfort for millions of people throughout the world has finally fucking died. The thing is, right, he's still racking up numbers. He's still putting points on the board, even post-mortem because they're still like landmines in Cambodia or whatever that are going to kill people, which means that the mob of people currently beating him to death in hell is only going to get larger. It hasn't peaked yet, you know?

Yeah. You can die in Cambodia and your kill cam will just show a grave and you're like, what the fuck? How has this even happened? I like to think that he is one of the waiters at Sticky Vicky's table of success. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, it's been a mixed day for Dan. He's picking up the world's slimyest jug.

We've had Henry Kissinger, which rest and piss, obviously. Sticky Vicky, Shane McGowan and Alistair Darling, which, I mean, what a dinner party. So, alarming blunt rotation. Yeah. I think that the observation of where was Liz Truss in Benadorm, a two-day-s-a-gallon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think we can trace back every human being who's ever died to Liz Truss. I don't think it's unlikely that Liz trust is aware of the work of sticky Vicki

All right, all right enough enough Enough trash future Obits Let's let's bring in our guest. We are joined by many time returning champion the host of tech won't save us It is Paris marks here to talk about Elon Musk as part of having done his Elon Musk on mask series looking into the childhood beyond the end world mine. Let's say Paris, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me back. Yeah, you know, unfortunately, we're talking about Musquegan, but that's it. That's my life. So happy, happy Kissinger death day first. Thank you. Thank you. It's a great event to celebrate.

So, what's the thing? People on Twitter kind of go like, oh, well, he won, right? There's nothing to celebrate now that he's dead because he died at the age of 100, surrounded by family, never faced any consequences. But on the other hand, have you no joy in your heart? He's dead, I'm not, who's the real winner?

But I did notice, as your heart? He's dead. I'm not who's the real winner. But I did notice like, you know, as we talk, you know, he died yesterday. And I saw a number of people like commenting on Twitter like, oh, all Twitter is coming back for a night because everyone's going to be posting about Kissinger. But it still didn't feel like the same. Like, must destroy it so thoroughly that like, it was no Trump gang COVID. No, absolutely not. So speaking on that question though, today we are going to be asking the question, does the silent basketball weigh the same as a regular basketball?

Yes. Why is J.K. Morgan no longer telling me about the range of investment opportunities anymore? How come it is justom and the silent basketball on Twitter? Well, that's how Henry Kissinger died. He didn't hear the silent basketball comment. What's the silent basketball? The Kosherens? What's coming out on Disney Plus? I have no idea, but I'm filled with questions about the silent basketball. Well, it's the series about the silent basketball. And I think really, really, the way to answer that question about the Silent Basketball, and how come we're seeing that instead of all the JP Morgan ads?

Ultimately, it is. You used to get ads for fucking Patek for leap on Twitter, you know? This is the luxury watch that you never really own kind of thing, and instead of that now, it's... The Antibolic Dwarfs. Yeah, the Antibolicves, the silent basketball. I tell you what, if you gave an anabolic dwarf a silent basketball, they would be a formidable adversary.

I'll say that, mate. We've worked out a way in the first 10 minutes of this to make the NBA a hundred times more entertaining. Yeah, there's nothing in the rules that says an anabolic dwarf can't play with a silent basketball. They're absolutely so much in the rules that says that. What about it? Is it just the anabolic bar? Yeah, that's a big part of it.

You can't be choosing. Yeah. World anti-doping agents at world anti-silent bars. But then again, being a dwarf is such a disadvantage in basketball. I feel like a kind of castle's out. I can't show up to the NBA because I'm shit at basketball. Juice me up. Yeah, they should be to even the playing field.

All right. I want to bring it back equity basketball. That's what I want. When I when I said Henry Kissinger was a lich and I talked about his forlactory, I meant in the D&D lich sense of the thing that holds a lich king's soul. It was not anti-Semitic. Thank you. That's fine. Okay. not anti-Semitic. Thank you. That's fine.

Okay, I want to bring it back. So, coming back though, is I think we can say the silent basketball question is the same really as the why is Elon Musk like that? We're gonna find those answers in the same places. Sure, but first, I want to do a little bit of news. Because there is a news. You died now. Well, it's about my basketball.

It is not. No, it is rather that the IDF is taken to screening a film of the events of October 7th to select journalists and influencers. Only the most credulous journalist. And a long time. Yeah, there were like two seasons. End of all time. Yeah, the most like two's is very funny. Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure how many followers I need to have before they'll show me the snuff movie.

I mean, this is interesting, right? Because what they've been showing us publicly in some places as well. I think they were after a while, but the first wave of it was very, very strictly controlled. Secret cinema, the IDF stuff. Pretty much, and you saw only the reactions to it. So you'd see like a photo of like a guy in the nest at like crying or you'd see a guy

tweeting who's like, yeah, this is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. And like, I'm sure it's very bad. Like the footage of the Wanker Premier, yeah. On the other hand, I open my phone. I see like, you know, footage of a bunch of like decomposed babies and incubators and Palestine. And I'm like, okay, one of these gets the treatment of this is too terrible to tell you about. And the other one has to be surrounded by 50 guys with camera phones because they know otherwise, you will not believe it.

So. And I think it's notable to say, right, that again, the media story around this is that Owen Jones went to go see the film, was then seen by other journalists taking, other sort of Jones went to go see the film, was then seen by other journalists taking, other sort of columnists taking notes at the film. I don't do that. It's an emotional experience from an agenlistic one. It was then accused by, I believe, that Goldsmith, former mayor of

Canada for London, say, oh, you're taking notes to nitpick and find holes because you are not empathizing because you are, and then heavily implying because you either don't care about people or you support Hamas or your cynical etc etc which has then led and others have then sort of joined in to say look of course you can start up. Oh and Jones is a very easy target to start the ball rolling on. Yeah. You say oh he was taking notes in this thing everyone else who already hates him here so he was tying on the Hamas headband in the screening.

Indeed. And showing off to all of the other British journalists who can neither read nor write. OK, look, we get it. Yeah, I mean, the existence of the Snuff movie itself is so weird to me because in that first phase, where they were showing it only to people who would be relied upon not to take notes

and to only empathize. What they would do, they trauma bonded people. They did the shit that they do in police academies, but they show you a bunch of body cam footage of cops getting shot, right? Where it's like, okay, you're all now a sort of a shared owner of this trauma, like, you know, live with that. And it's like catastrophically irresponsible, apart from anything else. And the and frequently right what Owen Jones did by going in and taking notes is saying, well, this was very, very bad. I don't endorse

anything that happened in here. However, some people are saying some stuff in this movie that's it's not in this movie. Yeah. And then by saying that again, it's like, oh, you're trying to justify him out. What actually is happening, of course, is that this is ongoing justification of the collective

punishment of Gaza. And by showing it in the way that they have, it means that anyone who disagrees with these people is responded to with an extremely high emotional register. You can no longer talk about what actually happened. No, because you can always appeal to this kind of footage that not a lot of people have seen and go, oh, so you don't believe in some of the more like, brock kind of atrocities. I couldn't even begin to say what was in it was so horrible. Therefore everything is permitted.

Let's just say involved a harpsichord. It's almost like further kind of justifies that divide that exists between like the media and I would say a lot of the public on the issue as well, right? Because the media can say, oh, I've seen these things that you can't imagine. So this justifies the fact that like, in all of our reporting, we're so much more kind of pro-Israel than a lot of the public seems to be

in supporting ceasefires and things like that. It's a weird kind of forfeiting of the public, you know? I mean, I think that Israeli PR has been fucked on this for a, well, since it happened, more or less. But yeah, I think a lot of people who are very online and who are just like, you know, ordinary members of the public or God forbid podcasters

are getting this sort of like unvarnished whether you want to do not combat footage of like, or, you know, atrocity footage of dead kids being pulled out of buildings and so on and Palestine. And the countess of that is this, you know, kind of curated movie that you can't see. And, you know, and beyond that, right?

It's the, and what we're talking about the media, we're talking about like papers like the Express, for example, which is now what ran a headlight. A headlight record. Which ran a headline, right, saying, Owen Jones told to seek help over deeply morally repugnant and wrong Hamas claims. Uh-huh. Again, the idea that this is the British press is so baffling that it is a willing, so dripping in venom, that it's willing to declare war on one guy. Yeah. One man. The thing is, the guy who already has like had his life directly

threatened by people riled up by the news. I'm sure the footage is horrible, right? I also think that showing it's a British tabloid journalist. If you're showing British tabloid journalist footage of a child being murdered, their first instinct will be to hack that child's voicemail. It's not so I forgive me if I don't believe some of the piety's if they're coming from the fucking express. Showing British columnist footage of the thing that they are most terrified of. It's like, it's like Room Run 101

in the Ministry of Love, you know, they walk in there and it's just a video of the barman at the Chilton Firehouse saying, sorry mate, you can't have any more shardin' A, I think you've had enough. And all of this comes back to, yeah, being said, well, if you, unless you take the maximalist emotive line on this saying, everything is justified,

then you are a Holocaust denier. And again, people are saying that to him, forgetting that these things have meanings. Yes. And that's a dispeasantly disprovable claim. Not if you don't want them to. How about that? It's fine.

We can just kind of like fuck a large amount of historical memory and context of the Holocaust in favor of like a kind of a cheap PR win on this one. Well, speaking of a cheap PR win, shall we move on, of course, to the main topic of today? Elon, you're going gonna go out on stage and you're gonna make nice with everybody and it's gonna go great. Right? I am Lindy Akarino in this by the way. I saw a motherboard headline today. It was like Elon Musk gave a totally normal interview. Ha, no he didn't. He can't hold it together. This is the least holding it together man. Yeah, and I mean once again, you just have to praise if nothing else I think the real star of the ongoing Elon Musk Twitter story

Hasiman is Linda Yachtery who was eight who was while Elon Musk was telling Bob Iger to go fuck himself but but from the right, essentially, I was thinking about, maybe if I hashtag espresso. Yeah. And it all happens on X. Yeah. Bob Iger, the guy who, right, take your old records off the shelf. So, Elon's gonna get the eye-casing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

At this point, I'm starting to think that JP Morgan doesn't have a wetwork team. Yeah, we expected point, I'm starting to think that JP Morgan doesn't have a wetwork team. Yeah, we expected it, right? And we, uh, they were retired after doing Macs well. We believe that we lived in a more corporate dystopia than we do, which is, you know, forgivable for us because we see a lot of it. And we thought the second Elon goes up against like Google or whatever, they will have him bone-sword.

Not so, you know, he's fine. He's still going. And he's riding this all the way down. He's taken a huge amount of Saudi and big bank money on the basis of those guys haven't even bone sword. Yeah. He's had the sense not to walk into the Saudi embassy for a shit chat. That's just saving the Saudi capital. Because if like, if like, the myth is destroyed at Twitter, then like Tesla and SpaceX, they all go with it, right? So there's a whole load of other people invested in here. Hang on though, the inherent value of a company like Tesla, there's no way that could go under. I mean, if there's any company on the stock market that's not overvalued.

Well, I heard that when the Cybertruck finally gets released on mass, it's going to make it a trillion dollar company. So this is the thing with the cyber truck, right? There is, theoretically, there is a number that you can put up, a number of Ls before it becomes untenable for Elon. Maybe a very large number, but he's racking them up. And that's-

You've got Welsh train station number of Ls. So, yeah. Paris, why don't you just fill us in, right? On, what happened on November 15th, that sort of, Oh, there's a film, but you can't see it. That sort of kicked all of this off. And how does that play into the lawsuit

that he is, let's say, both experiencing and prosecuting? And how did that culminate in him going to Israel in order to meet Isaac Herzog? It's a wild series of events like when you put it like that. Obviously, I think everyone knows by now that Elon Musk loves to reply to crazy conspiracy theories and spread them himself like Pete Sige recently

on his platform. That's an old one. I know, but they're seeing how far they can radical write some. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a joke one. I know, but they're seeing how far they can radically write some. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a joke. Is he going to start believing like, is he going to become a freesoiler at some point? Yeah, probably. But anyway, so he replies this tweet where this random like Twitter blue check guy, which

now means, you know, it's just a dude who paid $8 or whatever for a blue check. We have verified that you are a dumbass. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know, it was basically saying, I can't remember the exact week, but it was something like the ADL or some Jewish groups kind of support a bunch of migrants coming into the United States and they hate Jews and want to eradicate Jews or something like that. And Elon Musk kind of replied and was like, yeah, you're totally, you totally got it.

And this guy also said that he doesn't have any sympathy for Jews who basically support migration or mass migration because it's these kind of really right-wing conspiracy theories that, you know, the idea is that there are all of these brown people basically coming into the United States that are doing the white genocide, the great replacement. Jews are organizing that. And Elon Musk is like, yeah, this makes total sense. We all know that this is happening because he's obsessed with Earth Rates and he's obsessed with population stuff and he's a crime-rock and racist.

Yeah, that too. Right, racist. He's also obsessed. He's gotten, I think, the Babylon B brain, which is, he is obsessed. And did it to himself. He plugged the firehose of shit into his own brain. And where he basically believes everything liberals don't believe because they are stupid and he is smart, right?

It's the simple contrarianism. And so of course he'll endorse the great replacement theory because he knows liberals don't like it. It's again, if you get so, and we're gonna come back to this a few times, I think, if you get so sucked in to just that right wing echo chamber, that extremely, we have a very particular kind of right wing echo chamber. Which is it was in one before,

but it was quite an elite one where it was like, you know, the, you know, Peter Teal and his sort of like various like speakers, like mentions Mold Bug or whatever. And you get that kind of like elevated form of racism where you can sail the racist things in private, but it keeps a kind of like lid on it. That's now boiled over into Elon is replying to cat turn to being like actually electric cars are based, but I do agree with you about the great replacement. Well, I think we can agree that real great replacement will be when the cyber truck comes

out and there's a massive factory recall. So, but I think in this, this, what, you know what this reminds me of, right? This, his inability to see that like this, you, this isn't common sense to most people. Yeah. It's like when Lawrence Fox got himself sued for calling multiple people pedophiles because he believed that pointing out something that he said was racist was as contentless as baselessly calling someone a pedophile. It's well worn radicalization stuff.

It's just that this is an extremely high value target for radicalization. Indeed. It's genuinely amazing that Lawrence Fox in Britain was able to fire off the shotgun approach of calling people at random pedophiles and miss 100%. I think that's the first time that ever happened. So, sorry, Paris, we'll go back to you. He says this thing that let's say kicks off an Exodus of advertisers, right? Another Exodus of advertisers. Absolutely, a bunch of the major ones that were left, basically, Disney, Warner, Paramount,

Silent Bull, yeah, totally. But all of these kind of big companies, even Linda Yaccharino's former employer, Comcast, which owns NBC Universal, they all exited as a result of this. Because at the same time, the following day, there was a story that came out from media matters that basically said that all of these companies ads were being run next to posts that were praising Hitler and praising the Nazis and all this kind of stuff, right?

Which is like, I'm surprised. I'm surprised. Yeah, yeah. But it's also like, you know, Linde, Akarino has been going around now for months, saying like, we have all of these tools that are designed to ensure that advertisers are protected that their content won't appear next to all this like terrible shit that we're letting back on the platform.

And it's been clear that that is like total bullshit. It's not true. Those tools do not exist. But she'll go out there and say it because I'm sure someone in Twitter is feeding it in her ear. If I can just say, my favorite Linda Yaccharinoism is at the all hat. I'm a huge Yac head. Of course.

I am a Yac-o. We know this about you. I am an absolute Yac-o. I'm a Yac. We know this about you. I am an absolute yako. I'm a yako for Linda. My favorite of her ideas was when she got up in front of an all hands a couple of weeks ago and said, who's got any ideas for some revenue street? Anybody. Yeah.

A sandwich shop. It's the Twitter version of the British solution to fixing public services by just finding people from the town. The one guy who makes money for Twizzers. Yeah, Twizzers are sort of like a massive like loss maker on ads, but it's all made back by one allow car. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so all these advertisers pull out,

Shwoma, it all happens on X. Elon realizes that he's now, he's arguing with the ADL, he's being sued, he is suing media matters now for the article. Yeah, they're actually the prime of making him look mad. Yeah, indeed. And so what does he do to repair his reputation in the eyes of advertisers?

Well, I mean, this is the thing, right? What would you, if you were an extremely anti-Semitic man who was being accused of anti-Semitic man who was being accused of anti-Semitism due to try and rescue your reputation? You would go to Israel. You would immediately go to Israel, of course, and be like, I like these guys. These are the tough ones, unlike the the woke ones who are like doing great replacement. Yeah, indeed. Again, this is not like liking Israel. Something anti-Semites do quite a lot of the time. Yeah.

Yeah. So, Musk then had a summit with Netanyahu. Real brain trust there. A couple of guys who deserve one another. A greeing quote that Hamas needs to be. A longingly bold summit meeting. Hamas needs to be eradicated. Saying, you have to get rid of this poisonous regime

exactly as you did in Germany and Japan. Yes, in World War Two, said Netanyahu with musk replying, there's no choice, repeating himself, there's no choice. He again, kind of sheds a Trump thing where he believes the entire world view of the last person he spoke to. Oh, I think absolutely that's the case. And then all of that then culminated at a New York Times deal book summit where he addressed this issue more directly. He was also wearing IDF dog tags. Again, Alice analysis.

He was, listen, I'm very good at noticing things that people wear around their necks. Liz Truss, once you went to the US to kill Henry Kissinger, was also still wearing the day collar. But no, so when he went to Israel, they gave him a pair of IDF dog tags and he was like, I will wear these in tailgars that is liberated from her mask. And so yeah, he's been wearing them since. It's cool.

Yeah, he's an epic army guy now. They should actually make Musk be in the idea. I think that is how he can prove that he's not anti-semining. I think he should, he should too love. We're putting Elon Musk, like he's riding on top of a macava into Gaza, so he's into Karnunas. He skipped out on like the, so the African army to go to North America. So now he like, you know, needs to cause play a little bit

and another apartheid army. So he's wearing his dog tags and stuff. He should drive a cyber truck into Gaza. It's famously impervious to small arms. It's very funny to like kind of cherry pick the apartheid military. You like based on what one color uniform they were and you don't like the S.O.D.F. because it's like shit brown. So you go for like shit green instead. And you just don't look good in the shorts. No. So the idea of have a very like 50s looking ass uniform, it looks very old-fashioned. Ask me about the meat sniffette helmet covers, which looks like a fucking chef hat.

So after all of this, after all of this, he goes on stage wearing his idea of dog tags at New York Times dealbook, giving him a meat sniffette. Basically being asked, you know, hey, all the advertisers, including Bob Iger in the audience, are leaving the platform. And he just says, go fuck yourself before waving, hey, Bob, saying, if this advertising boycott goes ahead, it's going to kill the company,

the whole world will know these advertisers, kill the company, and will document it in great detail. Yeah, he said, he said, go fuck yourself. He said, GFY, which is epic. And then the interviewer asked him, hey, Lindy Acaherino is here tonight. Do you, and you're telling her that? Got any message for the yak, he? Yeah, got me. The message for the yak goes. And he's, he makes six seconds of scrambling noises, which I always appreciate. I do that myself and I'm trying to fill time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they said, yeah, no, maybe, maybe we'll just kill Twister. Maybe, you know, maybe, which, you know, helpfully confirms that that was the plan all along, I guess. And I also like the, again, seeing the responding to the suggestion that, well,

I'm seeing the responding to the suggestion that, well, if the advertisers pull out because they don't like obviously being the Hitler content. Yeah, they don't like being advertised next to the Hitler stuff. He says, and they'll kill the company, he says, let's see how earth responds to that. Yeah.

Again, showing, I think that he, he, I think he believes, he's been radicalized, as you say, not like a Peter Teele person. He's now been radicalized like a Facebook commenter. 100% and the thing is, this is a man who saw a bunch of like occupying Mars t-shirts a few years ago and still believes deeply in his heart that he's popular. And some things like kind of break the ice on that.

When he got booed at that one gig, that made a dent in his psyche that made him even crazier. When he finally internalizes that no one likes him, this will break him. This will like shatter his psyche. When he loses the home county's dance, slap side of Tesla fantastic thing. No, no, no, no, no, no. The guy he's worried about losing is the guy who was on Twitter from day one has the app for like their first name.

So they're like at David, right? They were a blue tick. They paid for a blue tick. They've been wearing an Occupy Mars t-shirt since those came out. And you know, they did the soy face when he was a lion and Star Trek. And if he loses that guy and he knows he's lost that guy, it's over for fun. So the thing he's trying to do is carry that guy with him and make that guy go, yeah, you know what, these Jews, they're onto some great replacement shit.

I think it's really clear that he struggles with, like, you know, he's kind of created this bubble. He was used to the media praising him all the time. And then they, I wouldn't say they turned on him, but they started to be a bit more critical. And so he had to find something else that was going to, like, you know, praise him all the time. And so his Twitter feed became that.

But you can also see that whenever it kind of breaks into his bubble that people actually hate him, like he struggles immensely with that. There was a story in... This is the same thing happened with Trump. Trump told us to get that from magazines then he got it from his own Twisted Feed and sent him into a really dark place,

becoming present. I think you know what I think you know in a lot more sort of the respectable media started to turn on Elon is when he broke their toy. It's when he broke Twitter. They were like, I love this. I had my little check and you took it away from me you far. It was like tweeting hashtag mutual Monday. It was like a slow progression, right?

Because there was a bit of it with like the tech lash stuff. And then over time, as he got more involved in the, in the Trump stuff and started to become a bit more right wing, like there was a bit more kind of criticism of him, a bit more reporting on, you know, how he treats his workers at Tesla and SpaceX and whatnot. You know, his regulatory evasion and all those sorts of things. But then of course, when he bought Twitter and, you know, fucked up Twitter, that, you know, essentially turned the media on him in a much broader scale. But there's a story in breaking Twitter, this new book that came out that I hear is not that great.

I haven't actually read it. But the author explained that, um, I think it was after the, uh, after he was booed at the comedy show. He locked himself in a room at Twitter and the workers were gonna call the police to come do a wellness check on him because they thought he was like harming himself. He's gone or let us know he do a wellness check on your mask and have him come to the door with the fake gears of war pistol. We've transferred Sheriff Joe to Simpsons.

You've got to send a crack team, Swat fucking edgier and Prince Harry in there. There's a bloke that needs checking in on it. I am going to need the Bay Area's most trigger, trigger happiest cops. We have Stephen Segal in it. Yeah, yeah. It's our first brickmolishing one wall of the axe office. You know, so even love that. Yeah, I think we can get a lot of... He's gonna check on Elon Musk. I hope he's not got a dog in there. Yeah.

You're Segal's a little Trumpy. I think he's a little... He's a little... He's having a little crinous little room. I said, Elon, hello, hello, it's me, Donald. You're gonna let me in. He's having a little crying in his little room. I said Elon hello. Hello, it's me Donald You're gonna let me in he's not gonna let me in folks. He's scared he's scared in there He won't he doesn't want me back on Twitter. He wishes I was on there actually It would love it if I'd come back he's crying

He's crying because he misses me isn't he folks? He took on Elon should I bring him out? He's all like a fucking like a latex puppet of Elon Musk. All right, let's bring out the little cry, baby. I just think that it's a real, it's a really pleasurable turn that Elon's like security team of ex Navy SEAL Psychos, the person that they're having to watch their boss against the threat to him is probably now himself. So I think we can trace all of this oddness into Musk's past, which is something that he's South African before we detour to the past though, just unlike the Israel stuff to

kind of cap that off. I think I would also note that like in the deal book interview, like the clip that went around was of course the go fuck yourself to the advertisers. But he was also like very clearly saying that like all pro-Palestinian protests are pro-Hemos protests. And it's ridiculous that there are Jewish groups that are funding the pro-Hemos protests. And like, how many of you just... No, just dogs, like, so they have. Yeah, just repeating like all the craziest shit that he's, you know, got in trouble about. And you know, when you're reading some British government press really.

Yeah, he did go to Israel like to he says it's not an apology to where it clearly is, but I would say that this trip was probably in the works before his anti-Semitic tweets because before that he had tweeted or said or whatever that he was considering offering starlink service to humanitarian groups in Gaza because Israel had cut off their internet connections. And then Netanyahu and like the Israeli government freaked out and contacted him about it.

And when he was in Israel, he said very clearly that the only way starlink would be activated in Gaza is if the Israeli government approved it. So that was like in the works already, but I think it was probably the timeline was moved up. He's sort of tweaking, you know, we'll allow Starlink to do some humanitarian stuff and Nanyah, who's in his reply, is like, please give me a call. I know this is not your heart. I love you, but I cannot support this. Yeah. It is interesting that what happens when you give this one sort of mercurial sort of suck up access to what has turned out to be

controlling what has turned out to be kind of an important thing for geopolitics. Yeah. I'm sure nothing will come of that. Well, I mean, that'll, like, commercial space flight or a bunch of, like, early electric car, interest rate, nads, fine. Oh, it'll be fine. Anyway, about it. So I don't.

And speaking of which, yeah, just other. I have a second. There's more efficient anyway, so it's all good. Other bits of the interview that I think actually stood out as well, and this is going to sort of play on some of the stuff that we talk about about his history, is he says, I've done more for the environment than any other person on Earth. I love that line. What the fuck is David Attenborough, Chuck Liver? Yeah, that is very Trumpian actually. Yeah, I get more for the environment than anyone else. You can ask the president of France, he agrees.

But he would back it up by saying something funny about whales and windmills. He wouldn't just like say, oh, it's because of the cyber truck, which is layman socks. The Dutch hate the whales. Yeah. And also on unions saying, I don't like anything which creates a kind of lords and peasants kind of thing.

The unions create negativity in the company. Everyone's a lords. A brilliant air. What are you talking about? Yeah. You're literally a lord and you have peasants. His peasants are revolting a bit in the Nordics. Yeah, in the Nordics, where solidarity strikes are legal. And you know where the Nordics are the only place where solidarity strikes are legal?

Because they fucking work. So solidarity strike is, okay, Tesla workers are on strike. The unionized, like garbage collectors won't pick up the garbage. The unionized postal workers won't deliver the mail. Any unionized activity that comes into contact with that strike, it ends as long as the strike goes on. And this works, this chaos, the boss. You know what else is very funny? What are the world's doing?

The Swedish postal system now as well. You know what the world very funny? What are the world's doing? The Swedish postal system now as well. You know what the world's most? The world's largest consumer of Teslas for the longest time has been, Nordics. He's lost one of those, he's lost the guy who's at is like Sven. Yeah, yeah, he's lost.

He is lost at Sven. Who is like, He's lost Sven, you're an Ericsson. Who is, who wears a roll neck and square frame glasses? Yeah, because at Svenn is potentially quite nice, depending on what country is from. Icelandic's van, it owns like a restaurant that like gives back to the community a bit.

Swedish Svenn is a fucking psycho, but if he's losing Swedish Svenn, then serious, serious problems. Sorry, but Trock is stuck in the field. So your customer service is doing nothing about it. So my restaurant is going on strike. You've probably done more open source research on than anyone on Elon Musk's personal life,

background, et cetera, for better or worse. For better or worse, who isn't being, I'd say, paid by him or someone close to him to write a book. Is that fair to say? Someone should pay me, yeah. Yeah. And so with bearing all of that in mind, this sort of, this strangeness that I think

is well documented by us and others, but especially demonstrated in the events of the last few weeks, and the sort of ongoing crashing of Twitter, let's talk about his history of his life and family, starting with Joshua Norman Haldeman, who was not the inaudible Haldeman. And his beliefs in technocracy. Yeah, so this is Elon Musk grandfather,

he is from Canada, but of course moved to South Africa. That's why Elon Musk grew up there, of course. Right after apartheid started, I should say. But got to get in on the ground floor. Totally. They're doing some racism over there. I got to check that out. But anyway, so he is this wild figure.

He's a chiropractor, all this kind of stuff. He's during the Great Depression, I believe he loses his farm or has quite a bad time and becomes super radicalized as a result of that. So he joins this technocracy movement, which we know what technocracy is generally, but in North America there was this specific group called technocracy incorporated, which he joined and was a part of, that essentially believed there should be no government that everything should be run by experts, by engineers, stuff like that. But it also believed that they should create this thing called the Technate, which would be this kind of state that encompassed everything from Northern South America

that's part of Canada. Yeah, and it's just so weird to me to move specifically from 20th century Canada to South Africa. Like you have a part of home. Not good enough. Not good enough. He, yeah. Canada's a playax that it's ashamed of it's apartheid.

It's not proud of it. I don't know if it was doing that in like the, what, the, what, no, not then. No, yeah. But even no, not a fan. No. Yeah. But even then, we do that. Yeah. Yeah. Like, if he was alive today, Elon Musk, grandfather, he would have said that the Canadian

government was too woke. And that's why he was moving the South Africa. Like, I can't remember the exact language, but he was basically saying that like the Canadian government was too soft and stuff like that. And he needed to go somewhere else. But this man, like, I was speaking to Aira Basin who is a documentary producer at CBC, which is the Canadian public broadcaster,

and he was basically telling me that, like he wasn't sure if Alderman really believed in the specific political program of technocracy incorporated. He was just like super anti-government, like super libertarian and was joining whatever group kind of had some opposition to government stuff because he later joined what was called the social credit movement in Canada, which was kind of like a quasi-fascist movement that

hated the government, that wanted to privatize a bunch of shit, that was like crazy religious, all this kind of stuff. And when he moved to South Africa, one of the crazy stories that I found in reading about him was that Jewish groups in South Africa actually sent letters to Jews who they knew in Canada to be like, should we be worried that this guy is moving here because he was interviewed by like basically a neo-Nazi newspaper about how he was moving to Canada or how he was moving to South Africa and what he was into over there. And then as his life progresses into South Africa,

he writes these crazy anti-Semitic and super racist, like tracts and books and things like that. So this is the man who Elon Musk comes from and the reason why it's significant, because many people would say like, oh, you know, it's his grandfather, you can't blame him for his past. And, you know, he died when the Elon Musk

was like three or four years old. But in the biographies that have been written of Elon Musk, it's very clear, it's made very clear that Elon Musk sees his grandfather as a great kind of inspiration. And so you wonder kind of what aspects of his grandfather he's particularly inspired by. I'd also say by the way,

just another note on Haldemann is he was not, even though he believed in rule by engineers, he was not himself an engineer. Yeah. He was a... Something in common with Elon. Shocking. He was a chiropractor.

Mokki, yeah. I'd so early to be a chiropractor, I feel like, the 1930s. That's really like, it's old school, like, Ruben Goldberg type chiropractic, you know. Like, he ended up dropping a piano on you. Chiropractic society or something, like, he was up there, like, really pushing it. But he was, and of course, Canadian listeners will be unsurprised to know they were from Alberta. I think it was like Saskatchewan or Manitoba or something. It was at West.

It was in the prairie. Yeah, he was from from out West. I think he was like between some of the prairie provinces. So I think at one point it was Alberta and then I think he was in Saskatchewan or Manitoba or something. Was an Albertan, consistently Albertan. Oh yeah, I go around all the prairies doing adjustments in the like dropping cows on folks, you know. No, and specifically by 1960, he wrote a paper

called the International Conspiracy to establish a world dictatorship in the menace to South Africa that, and you quote this in your series, Paris, that predicted an outside invasion by hordes of puppet of colored people who were the puppets of an international conspiracy which ended with a list of anti-medicrydicates. An invasion of horrors of colored people without Africa.

What is this man smoking? This is quite impressive. He seems to have a lot of historical things a little bit backwards. But, well, see also the invasion of a load of Arabs to Israel. Indeed. Where did they come from? We cannot say. But very sort of, you know, let's say parallel. Yeah. Yeah. In specifically rhymes. It's like poetry. Yeah. Indeed. And so we talk, but we talk about, Elon Musk, as you say, Paris, he sees himself as his grandfather, his maternal grandfather.

Fucked up. Also, are we sure there isn't a kind of like bodies like time travel situation going on here? I'm gonna need to see the portrait signed by side. So this is this is this is that but this very influential forceful man, abusive father. Oh really? What a surprise. Lives in again very sort of inconsistent stories coming from him and his father about just how much money they had from the Emerald mind they own in a part of South Africa. To be fair, it is very difficult to prove a meaningful difference between beating your kids and doing car practice adjustments on them.

Like, what do car practice do other than like kick people down the stairs and whatever? Like, I mean, it's pretty close. Elon knows from getting kicked down the stairs, but we'll get to that. Yeah. So I think the other influence that you cite on his early life

is his love of science fiction, specifically hitchhikers and found, hitchhikers guide to the galaxy and foundation. So Paris, how does this, how does his very odd reading of science fiction kind of influence much of his later beliefs? Yeah, I think people will recognize this from just having kind of seen Elon Musk over

the past number of years, but he's a very kind of awkward, socially awkward, and socially kind of inept dude, right? And that goes way back to his childhood. He was not a particularly kind of social person. And so he retreated into computers again, you know, because his family had money and they could afford to buy him computers, his father in particular. But he also retreated and let's not say that that's the thing about. No, but at the time when he was growing up, computers would have been a much rarer thing

to be around, right? And so while his friends were doing whatever they were doing in South Africa was kind of learning coding and all this kind of stuff because he wasn't a very social person. And then beyond that, he was into books and science fiction books in particular. And I spoke to Analy Nuehits who is a science journalist and science fiction author. And she basically told me that like the kind of science fiction he was into was really this kind of golden age science fiction written by these particular white men with particular ideas of how society should be. And he never really, you know, as he grew older and stuff, really branched out into other types of science

fiction for the most part, right? Society, if Elon Musk was into Ian and Banks and Terry Pratchett instead of Doug Adams and Isaac Hasamoff. Yeah. But, but so basically, so basically, he is reading these books. Some of them are particularly critical of the type of society that we would live in now, the fact that there's someone like him that exists, that's a billionaire, but he's not pulling those particular things from it.

He's kind of pulling the more aesthetic pieces of what this might look like, the fact that people are living in space, all this kind of stuff. But then, for me, especially, and I haven't read all these science fiction books, so maybe it's part of the reason this one stands out is because I've read it, and I can see...

It's a lot like the Jetsons. Yeah, yeah. But, like, there's also foundation, and this is one that Elon Musk cites in particular when it comes to SpaceX, and kind is one that Elon Musk cites in particular when it comes to SpaceX. And kind of, you know, I guess generally the story of foundation is like, there's this man called Harry Selten.

He predicts that this empire is going to go through this like really dark period for what hundreds or thousands of years or whatever. And he thinks that if like particular actions are taken, the dark period won't be avoided and there will still be like collapses, civilization and stuff but it won't last as long. And so he's trying to like, pop it, you know, the galaxy or whatever, to ensure that, you know,

the dark period doesn't last as long as it could. And Elon Musk cites this a lot when he talks about SpaceX and like the need to colonize Mars and all this sort of stuff. Like he sees himself as someone who is trying to shape the future of humanity and figure out what our future should be because he doesn't really have these more material concerns that most people are dealing with. I think it's particularly worrying to have someone like that trying to shape our future whether or not he's successful

at it. Yeah, I feel poor. Why are you not getting emeralds out of your mind? Yeah, you're simply really like when you need more money, you just go to the mind, you get some of the emeralds out and you sell them. He was working on a sort of Minecraft economy. Yeah, he thinks that like having an emerald mine is like kind of having like a subsistence craft

and whenever you need more money, you just go down into a little emerald mine and you take, you know, you live in an emerald economy. Everyone's got emerald. So what he does, so basically this with kind of the, almost like fascistic messianism, more or less, born of his various early obsessions with his grandfather, sci-fi and so on.

Yeah, and I would say, I don't forget the influence of growing up under apartheid. Like he would say that, that has an effect in him and that he didn't support it. It's very clear it shapes how he sees the world, especially with the shit he's saying these days. Indeed. So as you say, right, skips out on the draft, comes to Canada. I do want to mention the thing, just to do the callback about this, you've got horribly bullied at school to the point of getting kicked down the stairs by another kid.

Yeah, Vandeclick. Yeah, and his dad had to like go to the school, I guess, and be like stop kicking my shitty kid down the stairs. That's my job. Listen, only I can fuck up my son's spine by kicking him down the stairs. He's back and never been better. Did you just realign my son's fucking chakras? No. So. But the good thing about that story is that Elon Musk tells it and it's written in Ashley Vance's version of the biography and Isaacson's that, you know, he was kicked down the stairs, he was bullied at school, you know, all this kind of stuff and his dad didn't care.

And, you know, it shows how like evil and terrible his dad is and then his dad tells the story and there's a detail that Elon Musk leaves out of the story and that's that the kid Elon Musk or the kid who kicked Elon Musk down the stairs his father had actually killed himself you know he had committed suicide and Elon Musk was making fun of the kid because his dad had committed suicide and that's why he kicked him down the stairs. It's like it's probably an important detail to know. Like is it okay to kick a kid down the stairs? Maybe, maybe not.

But like, he was not simply minding his own business at the top of the stair. And then it was just like, he just spott and kicks him off the top of the fucking building. I was just doing math for fun at the top of the stair case. Yeah. When a big bully comes and just leaps up and two foot kicks me down the stairs for being smart and awkward. It was just like you, Scotty, Taddlady.

Yeah, yeah. So the standing confidence of the top of the stairs going, why did your dad kill himself? Probably because he doesn't have an emerald mind. I think like if he'd have an emerald mind, he probably wouldn't have needed to kill himself. He probably could have paid someone to do it. Yeah, and then they go from that to their kind of like apartheid drill of what if there's a sort of like, you know, black uprising and we all get killed.

Black danger that was called very healthy society, very normal, you know. Yeah, I had to kick this guy down the stairs He is making fun of my father killed himself because of what he saw in Angola, okay? Look what he did in 32 battalion was for us Look yeah, that that kid's dad was in covert. Yeah, yeah, he was yes He went to jail in equatorial Guinea, but he was a political prisoner went to jail in Equatorial Guinea, but he was a political prisoner. Oh, that's just some good stuff. So he goes to university and ends up getting an internship

at Scotiabank before then joining a company called Zip2, which was essentially a software licensing company. Co-founded or founded or whatever, yeah. But an ascent, but essentially Elon, as I'm given to understand it, kind of mismanaged it more or less into the ground. And it was saved because Compaq bought it at a huge overvaluation. Yeah, absolutely. We love the.com bubble.

The board gave him the boot first because Elon was the CEO and, you know, he did have a husband like an independent board. Yeah. But, you know, it was at a time when he didn't have the power to like control the board, right? Because today, sir, his companies have boards, but, you know, they're totally enthralled to whatever he wants.

Well, they know. Very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, they know that what they're selling is him. Yeah. Right? He's a board meeting and it's like, fucking, like, blowfelds meetings in his factory. And he's like, like, great to be here at the board meeting. But why am I sat in the only chair at the top of a staircase?

I'm confused why was the door been left open? Why you were wearing very big shoes? I do like the idea that he's got all of the chairs around his conference table. I'm thinking him as blowfeld are at the tops of staircases. Yeah, you press a button and the chair like this. Really like life defining. But he gets into the business this way, right, Paris?

He starts this company and it gets purchased. He has a lot of money. He goes to Canada because his mother, because of his grandfather, has Canadian citizenship, so he can get in there a lot easier. Them from there, he uses that. Yeah, from there, he uses that to jump off into the US, to go to university there.

And yeah, then he starts his companies and starts to build himself up. And I think what is interesting is that very quickly after Zip 2, at Zip 2, you can sort of see him start wanting to be the public face of a company. That's all he really wants is to be a kind of celebrity businessman, but without the juice of Donald Trump. Absolutely. And we see then sort of him saying we want to revolutionize money with X, and that's when he starts getting obsessed with starting a company called X. That will be a payment. The first X. be clear. Yeah, first X. Yeah. But you know, when you look at

Zip2 and like that era, you know, he was deposed, he was kicked out by the board because he was mismanaging the place because he was treating employees like shit, which is, you know, a story that continues throughout the companies that he continues to found, but ends up getting downplayed as his star continues to rise. And the stories that come out of that period, when you go back and look at them, are basically that he wanted to be the face of this company. Even when he was taken down as CEO, he was still asking the board, like, can I still do interviews and can I still represent the company in the media? And they're like, no, you can't, Elon.

And then they organized this sale to Compact, which by all accounts is incredibly overvalued for what the company actually was. But then in Jimmy Sony's book, The Founders, he spoke to someone who knew Elon in this period as well, who says that you would go into Elon Musk's bedroom and it was basically just stacked with books about business leaders like people like Richard Branson because he was trying to learn like what they did to build up their personas right because he wanted to emulate it and he wanted the media to start paying attention to him and after zip 2 when he has this kind of influx of cash the millions of

dollars he gets from that sale he really does start to try to cultivate this, right? CNN notably covers the delivery of his McLaren F1, which he spent a ton of money on and then totaled the following year with no insurance. So this is the one where he's totaled it with piece of two. That's right. Yeah. Peter Teal was like, what can this do? And Elon Musk said something like, let me show you and then like hit the gas

and flip the car over. Following in the first episode of Rower Nackinson there, weirdly, another man is told a McLaren F1. So you've heard the McLaren F1, one of the most totalable cars in existence. It's like, what if you gave people what is essentially an F1 car with no traction control and allowed rich idiots to drive it on the road?

Turns out not good results. Maybe it's like a secret McLaren, secret communist organization. Yeah, maybe. Every helicopter manufacturer. Possibly. We get bell helicopter, actually only wanted to prosecute the word of Vietnam so they could stop it.

So, but we get to the celebrity businessman, Error, which essentially is coterminous with him in being at PayPal. That's then this starts, first starts getting successful and you can see him trying to build a persona for himself, right? It's where, it's also where he starts building the reputation that gets him mentioned in like the Iron Man movies, which I'm sure he was very pleased about. And it's all a cameo in one indeed. Yeah, the second one. that gets him mentioned in like the Iron Man movies, which I'm sure he was very pleased about. And it's all a cameo in one.

Indeed. Yeah, the second one. And I want to talk about how Donald Trump has to settle for home alone too. Again, weird parallels. Yeah. And I want to be clear about like the ex stuff when he started that company.

Like he starts it and then Peter T.O. and Max Levchin start Confinity, which is a separate company that creates PayPal, right? And Elon Musk's thing is he's gonna revolutionize the financial sector. He's gonna break the Dodd Frank rules and bring like investment banking and retail banking together like all this kind of stuff and his vision does not work out, but they have the same investor, Sequoia, which is invested in both X and Confinity and basically forces them to merge. And over time, Elon Musk's product gets sidelined.

And again, he gets ousted as CEO because he's fucking up the company and he's making terrible decisions and he treats people like crap. Peter Teal comes back in and PayPal becomes central. He organizes the sale. And then, you know, Elon Musk again gets a big payout because he had a big chunk of the company from starting X. And then he uses that money to start investing in SpaceX and Tesla and really kind of

ratcheting up that reputation. He's failing upwards. Oh, totally, absolutely. He did one successful thing once, which is founded a software company at the beginning of the dot com bubble, Not even a good one. All he did was start the right kind of company at roughly the right time.

It's like us with this podcast. We haven't felt all of this. It's even when Tesla and SpaceX are failing, like the government steps in to help them then, right? Because he's built up so much of this reputation. Like under the Obama administration, Tesla gets a massive loan in 2010 to kind of save it from what's going on in that period and how much they're fucking up the model, S kind of process of designing that. And then SpaceX as well is basically

going to crash, but then it gets all these kind of public contracts so that it can sustain itself, right? I want to talk about that, because that really comes back around what we were talking about initially, right? Which is that the fandom is the thing that protects the businesses. And by getting people to vie for his attention, you know, like the-

The abliss of heat showed of ats-vens. Yeah, exactly. And I think that people vie for his attention because ats-ven, right, or at David, right? This class of person requires a positive vision of the future that they can easily imagine. And all there's sort of various like, yeah, Occupy Mars.

Middle, but a lot of like middle class sensible people, they want to, they're very troubled about global warming, for example. They don't want to give up the car and they don't really want a train being built. Well, and they also need a call that they can talk about with all the dads. Yeah, agree that it's a fantastic piece of care.

This is a major part of it. Have you read the oatmeal's comic about how he owns a Tesla? That's a foundational document of the Elon Musk me, so I said, the O-Mine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, the guy did, Matthew Inman, did a long comic about how cool the Tesla he owns is, and about how it's like a spaceship that you can drive. And that's the guy, that's the guy, that's the American Sven. It's a guy who did a web comic at the right time

in the same way that Elon Musk did a .com company at the right time, or God willing, we did a podcast at the right time. The whole, what we see again and again, right, is that Elon is also one of a very small number of people who is publicly and loudly talking about the future. And he's articulating for these people a positive vision of the future because it allows all of the sort of processes that we know are negative, let's say, that they like or that they're

comfortable with to continue. Yeah. But I mean, previously, if you wanted a future, as your options were like Ray Kurzweil, right? And Ray Kurzweil sort of was in this position where he was like, he was quite corporate and also he did the thing that Elon then did of getting discredited a bunch of times by being like, you know, we're going to go to space and colonize Mars by 2010. And then 2010 rolls around, you say 2015 and so on and so on and

so on. When he like the Jehovah's Witnesses of future is exactly. When when Elon does that, he is able to sell it better because he's better at doing that. And I think really, the reason that he has this fandom that people vibe for his attention is that for a long time, he managed to get himself associated with

a positive vision of the future for people who like being upper class. But who consider themselves nice? Drive the car that's a spaceship. Yeah. Yeah, one cool source is this sort of like epic bacon type stuff where he just comes out and he just says stuff that like appeals to like middle brow.

That's more recent. That's more and the reason I think it goes back quite a long way. I can remember it wasn't it like kind of 2015, 2016, when he would keep going on about how we all live in a simulation or whatever, which is now, which was a classicbrow opinion of just like I haven't heard of Karl Popper Elon Musk says we live in a simulation. We must yeah Tesla model numbers going like S3 X Y as well. Yeah

But if you go back as well like You much earlier like Musk became the liberal darling, because he was making the electric cars and the sexy electric cars to be clear, because before the green car was the Prius, and it worked well and all that kind of stuff, but it wasn't sexy, it wasn't fast, it was more of utility, it was more utilitarian, but then Musk comes around and this is something

Edward Neeter-Mire describes really well. He basically designs a car for the tech class, right? Because there are all these cars designed to appeal to certain groups of people in society. Elon Musk designs the one for tech right as tech is ascendant. He also has the electric car. He designed a car for a snarky, sissidman. Yeah. He designed a car for a guy at a company who will roll his eyes and call you a noob.

Oh, yeah. But, you know, he does this and not only is he appealing to like tech people and, you know, he already has this kind of reputation around him, but it also plays into democratic political priorities, right as he or right as sorry, Barack Obama is coming into power and they're trying to push, you know push electric cars and all this kind of stuff as the neoliberal means of addressing climate change without really addressing climate change. And so, he kind of gets taken as the figure who is going to save the world, but also then he's paired with the rockets and he's going to send us to Mars and he's thinking about

this kind of great future at a time when we're coming out of this recession when so many people are like struggling and you know can't find good jobs and blah blah blah and Elon Musk is saying well the future is going to be amazing put your faith in me in the tech industry and all this kind of stuff. Like you can see how people kind of buy into the con right and how he ends up benefiting from it and then once they buy into it there's a lot of people who actually put money into Musk, whether it's buying the cars or whether it's actually investing in the companies, so that then you have a financial interest

in seeing this man's star continued to rise as well. And that benefited him immensely. Truly Elon Musk's aesthetic journey has been from 1337 to 1488. I think that's... So we can say with Congress. I want to sort of end on a question, which is how many more times do we have to push this man down the stairs? How do you see that?

We're looking right now. I think a few more pushes should be good enough. How do you see the kind of the conflict in MUST priorities between the showmen who needs to be well-liked and wants to be a famous businessman more than anything. The guy was like, I don't care if you fire me. Let me keep doing interviews for the company. And, you know, the reactionary nerd who can't stop talking about racial IQ tests and is in his mind always being kicked down the stairs in apartheid South Africa.

How do you square those two things? Because those two personas used to be Sitting tidally together each doing their own thing. We live in a simulation the real Elon is still on the staircase Yeah, it's a dream of a future without stairs No, there will everyone will go over and lift there will be no and then like other nerds who've been kicked down the stairs with like They've got like a big comic lump on their head. They're like yeah That's what I want but now right, they are threatening one another. Basically, if not a big lift, right? These two sides of him are threatening one another.

But I think this right-wing reactionary side was for a long time downplayed, right? Because I think that that kind of emerges when, you know, liberals basically start to turn on them, right? When the media starts to report more critically on them and he needs to find some other means of kind of filling the void of narcissism that exists within himself, right? He needs these people who are going to praise him constantly and he finds that in Twitter yes, but as kind of the Democrats and as people, not on the left, but as kind of centrist and liberals start to criticize him more and more, he needs to find that group of people who are still going to praise him incessantly. And he finds that not just in his cult, of course, but also in the right where people are

more than happy to embrace him, more than happy to praise him and hold him up as long as he's going to support, you know, their political positions, their political candidates. And I think that he also had this kind of, you know, if you go back to the early 2010s, he's still talking about this population shit. He's just not being so like directly racist about it, even though the subtext of racism is there, right? It's not kind of defining him in the way that it is today. And so I think it also kind of like it unleashed him in a sense, but you know, he also needed that to fill the void within himself. And so yes, he wants to be the celebrity. Yes, he wants to be well liked. But as long as he can surround himself with this kind of bubble of people who love him, he doesn't see, I think, to a certain degree that he's really turning

off like many more people than he realizes and is threatening himself in his companies in ways he doesn't realize. I think it also comes back to the fact, as you say, that his model of existing is to be surrounded by people that constantly boost him and then boost him to others. The line in the interview that actually really stuck out to me was when he talked about, well, where fuck you, Disney, your boycotting us,

everyone's gonna hit you. And by the way, everyone's turning away from you anyway. Yeah. Because he, again, he, because it is in his interest to believe that like, Disney went, Woken is now going broke. And so therefore, we don't want their advertising dollars anyway, because that's the direction

that that blast off is taking. The problem is, is again, this is, again, I have no problem saying fuck you to Disney, right? Yeah, come on, the problem is, is again, this is, again, I have no problem saying fuck you to Disney, right? Yeah, come on, you're an anti-sema, oh, do you hate Disney, payquan. Right, that's no problem. But it just from the pure business logic of it, right?

He's aligning with the, he's aligning with the financial interests of like, Matt and Mercedes-Schlapp, who made the Disney documentary that we watched with Matt with Mike and Jesse, right, many moons ago, right? That is the new audience, and they don't have the kind of money that Dave has.

You know, that's a little. They may, those guys, they have enough to fund the Schlapps to make a documentary. They don't have the combined spending power of all of At Dave at Sven in their equivalence around the world. They don't have the combined spending power of all of At Dave, At Sven, and their equivalents around the world. They don't have the combined investing power of companies that are of people who are who buy into the story and are interested in working with it.

Doing remedial unionism on the sort of like upper class tech guys to be like, there's only one Elon Musk and there's a lot of you. Showing them the illustration of the like little little many little fish coming together to like chase away the big for the many big-ish fish. Yeah, yeah, we are many Elon is one. We are comparatively many. Yeah, we are in this situation a number. Yeah, German guy who's like at Dorian on Twitter,

who's like, oh, Varoom, my noir Mercedes-Schlapps. Yeah, I know.'s Mercedes-Shlaped, but I think that's a good enough place to leave it for today. But, Paris, if people want to hear more about Elon Musk unmasked, where can they go to hear not just the summaries of the quotes that you provided us for the quotes themselves. You know, anywhere they listen to this, I'm sure. You know, on whatever podcast platform, Vine Tech won't save us and, you know,

scroll back to October and you'll find the series there. Yeah, get onto Truth Social and all I take quite a save as well. Get on Truth Social and form these days. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, wait a minute, Comcast is advertising. The Silent Basketball, they're gone. They're on Twitter now. Yeah anyway, Paris. Thank you very much for Coming on today do check out tech won't save us and also don't forget this is a free episode But there are paid ones there are paid ones and you can listen to them by going on patreon and paying five dollars a month

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