TRASHFUTURE - Game of Slurs: International Worst Columnists Invitational Part 1 (feat. Boontavista)

Episode Date: August 31, 2018

For this week’s episode, Riley (@raaleh), Hussein (@HKesvani), and Milo (@Milo_Edwards) join guests Andrew Law (@IllyBocean) and Lucy Valentine (@LucyXIV) from the extremely good Australian podcast Boonta Vista Socialist Club (@BoontaVista) for a discussion of a topic close to all of our hearts: the worst right-wing columnists in the Anglosphere, their greatest hits, their origin stories, and why ‘white man’ is the worst slur in the English language. This discussion ran a bit long, and so we’ve cut it into a part 1 and 2 — part 2 will publish very soon, maybe next week, who knows (we lack professionalism). Also, Hussein fell asleep during the recording. You can commodify your dissent with a t-shirt from http://www.lilcomrade.com/. You can also purchase useful kitchen implements from our socialist cookware sponsor, Vremi (https://vremi.com/). Nate (@inthesedeserts) lives in Britain now and, after reading the Wall Street Journal, expects to be forced to say the Shahada at any moment.

Hi everyone, this is Nate. And by now you know that if you hear my voice, something is not quite right on the episode. Well, that's not quite the case this week. In fact, we enjoyed ourselves so much that the episode went a little bit long. And rather than having a two hour episode, we decided to instead break it up into two segments. So if you're wondering why there are only three pundits critiqued when we promised you six, that's why.

Anyway, enjoy the episode. We have we have an international cast today. We've joined together with our our our our brothers and sisters in the white Commonwealth. It still has access to all the visas for some reason. Let's all go around say and share a memory of the late great Jonathan McCain. Hi everybody. Hi everybody first. My name is Andrew Irwin.

I just want to share how important it is that John McCain introduced Sarah Palin to political discourse. He was the man who thought he was the man who thought that Sarah Palin should be one brain cancer away from the presidency. She was so close. She was so close. She's still out there. And who who Andy, thank you so much.

Who would like to go next? Can I go next? It's Lucy, my favorite John McCain memory is when he died today. He truly did inspire a million. How dare you serve replies to a lot of extremely funny tweets. Rest in peace. You piece of shit, motherfucker. Done.

Is it really Jonathan shine on you piece of shit? Motherfucker. He's well either two kinds of John's there or three kinds of John's. There's the there's the sex work customer. Then there's the Republican John with an H and the Democrat John without an H. John, John Kerry heaven. Yeah. Have an H.

Yeah, but no, but he's a he's a Republican. He's an older Republican one. I look what I do is if I ever have a kid, I'm going to take the McCain fries and I'm going to say here comes the crashing plane. Oh, man, it's a good it's a good thing that the weird centrist honor defenders only read my posts and don't listen to the podcast. They get mad. Yeah.

The podcast isn't searchable. I gotta say from our from our time doing the show, one of my favorite attempted owns by someone that you're fighting with online is I spent an hour listening to your show just to tell you that I don't like it. I've deliberately wasted my time in order to judge you. I can raise you one of that, which is a guy who really hates us who tweeted us to say that he's never listened to the show because obviously it's dumb and that would be a waste of his time, but he went back and read every article I wrote for a student newspaper.

Eight years ago, just to say how just to make yourself mad. It's like, dude, reading the podcast would have been quicker and even reading it, listening to at least at least he could have multitasked and done something else at the same time. Guys are gone for an angry job or something. Our eulogy panel for John McCain has gotten way off track. Okay. John McCain. Yeah.

It was a, it was a fresh spring morning. Jew was glistening upon the crisp grass. A young boy was struggling to untangle his yo-yo, which had become frantically sort of bound up in itself in about of attempting to practice for the world yo-yo championships. And a man came over and he said, Hey son, if I can survive being tortured by the Viet Cong, you can untangle that yo-yo. That man was John McCain and that boy grew up to be Yu-Gi-Oh. Welcome back once again to this special extraordinarily international episode of Trash Future, the podcast

where I don't say the intro anymore, but where it used to be the podcast about how the future is Trash. I am still Riley. You can find me on Twitter getting yelled at by angry liberals for making fun of John McCain at R-A-L-A-L-E-H. Hello everybody. Who else do we got on? It's all digital episode.

We have Milo Edwards reporting from The Fringe. It's me at Milo Edwards live at the Edinburgh frying gate. This is Trash Future, the podcast about how we find out which way the toilet flushes in the Southern Hemisphere once and for all. And we're also joined by Hussain, burning the midnight on in Vancouver. Yeah, I'm in Vancouver in Canada. Canada is a cool place where everyone calls each other's person because that's the law. Yeah, I've been hanging out with my teenage cousin who's been teaching me about hype and what's hype

and what's fam. So apparently Supreme is fam. Palace is like meh best but largely for old people. Stuzzy's apparently cool. Lil Xan sucks but Lil Yachty is good. X used to be bad but when he got killed he was good. It's just been like this wild roller coaster and I sort of feel like I'm a teenager again but also like I'm an old man. I don't know. I mean everything you just said could easily have been a word game

and we are also joined from across like several ponds by half of the wonderful show Buntavista Socialist Club. We have Andy and Lucy. Hey guys. The better half of Buntavista. That's so true, Lucy. That's so true. That's so true. There's a reason you guys asked the like the A team to come on, you know.

Oh yeah. That's a reason. We needed some like some elite tier posting and podcasting. That's it. You guys are being collected in the maximum security stockade known as Australia. And the thing is once we ask Ben and Theo, you know, and they turned us down, you guys were like the best available. So it usually works. And what would John McCain being dead all of our usual guests?

Oh, excellent. So what we have for you today is something a little different for our usual, you know, sideways glance at the news and current events. We've decided because I've been listening to Buntavista, even though it's because if even though it's for a country, I basically know nothing about. And everything sounds either really strange, like, you know, gukaburra or whatever or really regular, but like they have a reactionary fascist called Blair. It's all very weird. And so I really enjoy it, but I keep hearing them talk about Australia's terrible columnists and I keep wondering to myself of the two countries with the world's worst columnists, the UK and Australia, who has the worst columnists? Oh boy. You might be shocked to find that all of the worst columnists in Australia are all from some kind of offshoot of some Murdoch rag.

Hugely surprising. Hugely surprising. The spectator, which is in the UK, I believe, right? It's a lot of crossover. Oh yeah. The smartest publication. It's the top 10 anime crossovers. If you guys think that the spectator in the UK is like a sheltered workshop for just huge fucking wet-brained idiots.

Oh man, you should see the Australian one. Wow. We didn't elect to choose any articles by Taki, but we do have a regular columnist for the UK spectator who has written two columns. One, in praise of the Wehrmacht and two, we should bring back feudalism to own the SJW. Oh my God. At least he's honest. At least he's honest. My favorite thing about the Wehrmacht is that they had the decency to only do a market at a full moon.

God damn it. You're really weird this morning, Milo. I like it a lot. Yeah. Thank you. I'll be here for the next hour or so. In your ears. Shall we kick off with the first salvo? This is one of our... Would one of our guests like to fire an inflate of awful opinion journalism at our broadside?

Well, let's see. We've got some of our favorites on our show. One of which... What should we kick off with? Yeah. I wonder if we should kick off with weird spaghetti head freak Rowan Dean. Yes, let's do it. He's the editor of the Australian version of the Spectator.

He also... He has a column in the Australian Financial Review, which is purportedly satire, but I'm not actually sure he knows what satire is. Yeah. In its written form, it's extremely weird. He hosts a show called Outsiders on the Australian version of Sky News. So much like the Spectator, we have a version of Sky News that is like just some real Z-grade shit. Basically, as soon as the sun goes down, all of the craziest freaks in Australia get a show on Sky News.

So he hosts a show called Outsiders with Ross Cameron, who is also insane. He regularly gibbers about his deep and unabiding love for the moon. Is he aware? He just loves the moon. He's just constantly writing extremely unironically about how deeply infatuated he is by the moon. It's really fucking weird. They're both completely cooked units, and they used to host the show with Mark Latham, who I would have included in this if he hadn't have basically detonated his own career.

He's kind of like a Milo. Not this specific Milo. He's kind of like a Milo. We're like, you know, at this point, I wouldn't even call that Milo a columnist because he basically can't get published or get a gig anywhere. Yeah, he has no job. Like Mark Latham has no job. Yeah, honestly, no platforming him just made him more powerful.

Yeah, like, and so Mark Latham's done something similar. He's basically like he's nuked his own career in mainstream Australian media. So, and he did that on this show that he used to host with these guys on Sky News by doing stuff like getting into long running feuds with domestic violence victims and speculating on which kids he thinks are gay. That was the one that did it for him. That was the one that finally tipped it over the edge was. Is that when he got fired from Sky?

Yeah, well, he was doing his columns for the AFR as well where he was talking about like how any woman who admits to using like any kind of meds or anything is a terrible mother who's deliberately drugging herself because she hates her children. Right, he said anxiety was made up. Yeah, mental illness isn't real. And at the same time he was doing the show on Sky News and we had this whole controversy about like an anti-bullying program that was introduced in Australian schools called the Safe Schools Initiative,

which was basically just about encouraging tolerance for like gay and trans kids, very normal stuff. And they freaked out about it because it's cultural Marxism and enforced gender fluidity and all this shit. And yes, all it is. So they had, you know, some kids making statements about this thing on the news and they're running this footage while Mark Latham is going, look at this one, he's probably gay. Come on, look at this kid, definitely gay.

And apparently speculating on the sexuality of like 12 year old boys was a little too much for them and they finally cut him loose. Exactly why I imagine Australian Sky News to be like. Yeah, exactly. For Sky News to be like, cut it, cut it. And so from now on, he's been doing shit. He got like a gig doing like YouTube videos for Rebel Media, the weird Canadian racist. Oh yeah, no, it's UBI for people who pushed their conservatism slightly too far in mainstream media. And so even Rebel has dumped him at this point.

So pretty much Mark, Mark doesn't register enough for us to include him anymore, which is a shame because he's spectacularly insane. Okay, so this is basically, this has been an honorable mention. Yeah, yeah, but we got to get him in there. But yeah, but Rowan Dean, his old colleague, he basically looks hit me. Rowan looks like a severely aged Muppet made out of leather with like long, long Justin Timberlake ramen hair, you know, Oh yeah. Okay, I'm picturing it.

Weird looking dude. He was on Sky doing a show when they broke the news of the kids getting rescued from the cave in Thailand. You know, and he thought it was very important to chime in with his commentary because they broke into their show and were playing the footage live. And here's a quote of him talking over the footage of the kids getting out of the cave. Quote, those kids would not be alive if those pumps had been powered by windmills and solar panels. If they hadn't had Western technology in there, if they hadn't had Western expertise, it wasn't a bunch of gender fluid divers that went down there. It wasn't a bunch of touchy feely identity politics,

diverse and inclusive unconscious bias mob that saved those boys lives. It was solid Western know-how. But was it a group of Thai divers? I think it was. It was a whole bunch of people. There were like, there were Australian guys over there and stuff. There was the dude that Elon Musk called a pedo for some reason. Told him to shove his sub up his ass.

Yeah, because he wanted to get to the children in the cave. The cave was the only thing protecting them. Yeah, so our friend Mark does which kids are gay and Elon does which divers are pedo. The two TV shows that we need. Yeah, which divers are pedos and which pumps don't work if they're solar powered. Although, to be honest, I'll tell you, I was half expecting you not to say something along the lines of we should worry about rescuing those kids from the cave because then they might immigrate to Australia. That's it. Well, that would be a concern.

I was also loving his take that like, it would kind of imply that windmills are fucking Thai technology. Oh, the fucking ties with their windmills and e-dam and clogs. With their wind and their sun. So Rowan writes these columns, right? And I'm only going to be able to read a small section of this because they are frankly fucking unbearable. This is what we do for our listeners. Oh, my God, this is a whole other level. So Rowan writes again, I'm doing hugely exaggerated finger quotes around satire.

And he wrote this piece about a former Prime Minister, Julia Gillard being appointed the chairperson of a mental health organization called Beyond Blue, which is mainly about depression. And he chose the most tactical way to approach this was to write the entire piece about her being appointed the head of a lunatic asylum. Mm-hmm. Make sense. Make sense. Yeah. So the title of this was Nurse Gillard. We'll see the lakeside lunatic asylum patients now. The world of political depression was rocked to its core this week by news that former Prime Minister Julia Gillard had been appointed chairperson of mental health organization Beyond Blue Ties, which is a reference to an exceedingly stupid thing in Australian politics from a couple of years ago when

former Prime Minister Julia Gillard made reference to the Liberals, the conservatives being like a bunch of old white dudes wearing blue ties. And from that point on, all of the made an extremely conservative effort to wear blue ties every single day of their lives to troll her. Oh, it's conservative identity politics. Oh, amazing. Yeah, extremely. It's blue ties matter. Extremely normal. Blue ties matter.

You can't take me take my blue tie off my driving license photo, it's part of my religion. Yeah. Miss Gillard is believed to have been handpicked for the job due to her lengthy experience, diagnosing imaginary mental disorders such as sexism and misogyny. During her three year stint as head nurse at the notorious lakeside lunatic asylum in Canberra. Oh, oh shit. He's doing a clowns in Congress thing. He's absolutely the asylum, which is very deep underground and can house up to several hundred patients at a time in its notorious green and red twin chambers is known scathingly as capital punishment hill. Goddamn. I was skeptical initially.

This guy's a brilliant satirist. I almost have a fucking aneurysm reading reading these and imagine him's like I imagine him smiling to himself as he types them out. Oh, this is so this is so fucking good. The great thing about someone like Rowan is that he knows that comedy works on multiple levels because like yeah, there's an asylum, but what if the inmates are running the asylum? That'd be weird, right? Like, you know, he's smart like that. He's making those connections. He's also written.

He's written like quotes from the former Prime Minister all the way through in like phonetic bad Bogan Australian accent. Okay, good. Morey. Morey. Good friend. Was it dangerous? Swanker pan. It's it's all it's all extremely like insider references to lots of Australian political figures.

Nurse Gillard remains convinced that her controversial approach to mind control allowed an entire generation of women and young girls to discover that they were inflicted with severe bouts of non existent male oppression. Yeah, it's true. It doesn't exist. Oh, the worst kind of male oppression. That's right. The reason I love this guy is that he tells the truth and makes it fun. Like, not everyone can do that. Like, like depression isn't real.

Depression isn't real. Sexism isn't real. And hey, what if those clowns in Congress actually wore baggy pants? You know, it'd be it'd be like they'd be just like the apex gang that's murdering all the children. I'm glad you know. I'm glad you know about the apex. Oh, that's gonna that's gonna come up again. Don't worry.

No, I mean Australian politics is like a weird hobby of mine. Like some people build model ships and in bottles. I find out about like mid nineties racial controversies in Australia about an invented gang. Oh, it's it's back with a vengeance, baby. Carry on. We get to the apex. They're going to bring the fucking army. Well, look, here's another really clever bit of wordplay guys.

If you're ready boy hit me. So we're talking we're talking about the mind control of nurse Gillard here. These girls are now so oppressed that they feel they have no choice other than to go and jump off the wage gap. Explain to one expert. Oh, damn. I fucking hate him so much. I hate jumping off the wage gap. How do you jump off a gap?

What does that mean? Oh, no, maybe he thinks that like Julia Gillard implemented a series of policy mix that allowed girls and women to double jump. Jump off the gaff is like jump off the gap is like right wing boy off the tank. Doesn't like really mean anything, but it sounds cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're going to work. Oh, perfect. So it's it's I mean look this guy is I don't know why you brought him on our terrible columnist show because he's clearly a genius.

True master of comedy. He's not even his best jokes. I like the ones where he just like implies that someone's gender fluid and that's the whole joke. They might be trans. That's the joke. Yeah, but what if they were there? I like the clip. There was a clip of him today.

So so one of our like right wing shock jock radio dudes was was on the other day. And he used a very antiquated expression, which I haven't actually heard. Yeah, which I haven't actually heard before. It's the end word. It is the end word. No, no, no, it was it was it was a phrase that involved the end word. It was him referring to to a politician like being a problem as the the end word in the wood. Oh, one of ours did that.

Yeah, so this was snap. This was Alan Jones and what this refers to, right? What does this mean? I've never heard this before. So it's basically like a psychotically antiquated version of like a thorn in somebody's side. You know, if you say that version, it has no slurs in it. So who's going to listen? Yeah, that's the problem.

What it actually refers to is runaway slaves hiding in wood piles. Oh, boy. Yeah, that's that's the origin. I retract that. Yeah. Very problematic. That's the origin of the term, which again, he's a fucking Australian guy. Why does he even know it?

It's not the first time he's used that phrase on the radio. Jesus Christ. Henry Morris is a conservative member of parliament in the UK who was actually suspended for saying the same phrase in parliament, but then being like, oh, I didn't know it was racist. I just thought of it as a phrase. Hey, some of my best friends are black people in wood piles. Well, just in case, just in case you are thinking to yourself like, look,

you know, he's like a 65, seven year old guy or whatever. Natural mistake, slip of the tongue, you know, we all we all make mistakes. He followed this up immediately with a sentence straight after that one, which was now I know I'm not supposed to say that word, but I refuse to censor myself by not saying certain words and I'm going to say whatever words I want. See, so just in case, just in case like you weren't you weren't sure what was going on there.

So Rowan Dean was on Sky News chatting to one of our other entries in this competition in which he explained it for everybody by saying, look, you can use the N word without it being offensive. I'm not going to say it on the show because everyone will get all in a tizzy, but when I'm using it at home with my friends, which I do, I say it in a nonoffensive way. I love like when all my friends come over for a barbecue with me, just you know, we sit around the table and we just say the N word back and forth to one another for three or four hours and it's not offensive.

You know, you know when your friends come around, you know, when your friends come around, you get around a table and just do a round of nice slurs. You guys, you guys want to do a round of slurs? Oh, I haven't played slurs in ages. All right, so you guys better hit us with one. Oh my goodness. Okay. I feel like let's say let's save Brendan O'Neill for last.

Milo, why don't you hit us with James Dellingpaw? I bet it's better for me to go earlier rather than later because my brain is like deteriorating. Oh, sorry. Sorry, Senator McCain didn't see you come in. It's a hot day. Got him. All right. So, I mean, the Dellingpaw is only making my brain deteriorate more, especially because

his byline photo on the spectator is like a weird Picasso self-portrait of him, which looks really fucking weird. Anyway, James Dellingpaw, everyone's favourite, brace yourselves, get yourself a nice cup of tea as James Dellingpaw eases his James Dellingpaw into our James Delling hole with an article entitled, It's not science I don't trust. It's the scientists. And it has a massive picture of Margaret Thatcher in a lab coat, like doing science supposedly, but she appears to be just looking at a vase full of water.

Cool. Anyway, and it says underneath Margaret Thatcher quote, the facts of life are conservative. But is he saying that he doesn't trust Margaret Thatcher? Yeah, that's kind of weird, right? Yeah. Because, I mean, to be fair to Margaret Thatcher, she was like trustworthy. She was like very open about, she never once really lied about what she was going to do. They're a play to work.

Okay. Yeah. Pouring one out for my girl. All right. Maggie, the scientist. So, what does Dellingpaw think of the scientist? As ever, Dellingpaw begins his article with a sarcastic paragraph which sounds like what any reasonable person would think.

Dellingpaw is writing in a sarcastic voice and you're intended to be like, yes, that's mad. So, everyone knows the real reason like people like Donald Trump for skeptical climate changes that conservatives are fundamentally anti-science. Some doubt science conflicts with their religious beliefs. Others good simplifications might mean radically shifting the global economy in anti-growth or heavily status direction. Wow. What a smart James Dellingpaw column this has been so far.

Now to put down the papers. What a reasonable thing to say. Anyway, time to start my day. You have a short attention span. The spectator is a Marxist newspaper. Yeah. Yeah. So, which goes against their free market or geology.

Others being conservative, they are prisoners of their dogmatism, need closure and fear uncertainty. I hear this all the time from lefties on social media and there seems to be some evidence to support it. Indeed. Is there James? At least there is if you believe studies. Like the Republican war on science, Mooney 2005.

He's used like Harvard referencing in an attempt to sound like he knows anything of what he's talking about. Politicization of science in the public sphere, Go-Shat 2012 and not for all the tea in China, methodology and the voice of distance arousing situations. Now I'm at Al 2013. I like the idea of dissonance arousing situations. Right. Now, but there's a wrinkle here and you may have guessed what it is.

Is it that we're reading a James Dellingpaw article? Let's find out. The world of social science is overwhelmingly left wing. So heavily agenda driven, so rife with confirmation bias and skewed methodology that almost any of them could be invited to write for the spectator. But almost inevitably studies will show conservatives of blink and dim lefties lefties. Weird. That's the only thing that could that could it could be doing.

It's got to be a mistake. Yeah. That's if you believe evidence. When I when I'm having an n word party, right? All my friends have their eyes wide open. What I like to do is I like to put in my academic gown and mortarboard. I sit down and have a party. So I put my pinky out so it's extra intelligent.

Having free speech intelligence is on. I love this so much because it's just like it's this is a conservative self owned that gets published all the time. Like one of my favorite ones is a Charlie Kirk tweet where he's like if if there's no left wing bias in universities, then how come conservative students always get lower grades? It's the best cell phone. We're really we're getting to this because we've got this is the best paragraph of the article.

Lest you think this is my own bias showing another recent study confirmed it. A survey of 479 sociology professors found that only 4% identified as conservative or libertarian while 83% identified as liberal or left radical and 0% had ever studied the blade. In another survey of psychologists this time, only 6% identifies as conservative overall. It's almost as though James, it's almost as though if anyone who actually knows about any of this stuff doesn't agree with you. So funny to me.

I do love. I love how many conservative things involve them just like reverse engineering of thought out of something like this. Yeah, nobody nobody involved in learning any of this stuff believes any of the shit we say anymore. And we score poorly because we have very dumb ideas. This must be because of a bias. Let me let me work.

Let me work backwards from here and see what. Yeah, desperately trying to take a reactionary thought from overwhelmingly normal evidence. Yeah. I'm going to I'm going to skim through the rest of it. Like it starts talking about fucking like studies which he's trying to suggest like show that like conservatives aren't more anti science than lefties, but he doesn't really explain how. No, he's like, is this brilliant?

So he quotes this one academic. He says, as cough nurse, the academic told campus reform, a site that exposes left wing bias at universities. What a fucking website to run. Conservatives are right to be skeptical. Take any politicized issue that is connected to some disagreement about scientific fact. I do not believe there is a single case in the last couple of decades where a major scientific organization took a position that went against the platform of the Democratic Party.

Like again, maybe the correlation is the other way around. And the Democratic Party tends to go with the science. Yeah, I can't. I can't believe like, you know, that none of these people ever agree with the party that like shuts down the EPA and teaches abstinence. The two big A's of American conservatism are now asbestos and abstinence. This is a golden quote. He added one odd coincidence that science in scare quotes always without exception supports

the liberal world view. Oh, it was you. So called science. This is incredible. This is wonderful. This is just an entire column of I'm a huge idiot. I'm a big idiot and no one knows why. Oh my goodness.

I think it's like at UK universities as well. Like there is a small. I don't know if you guys have this in Australia, but there's like a cottage industry of like aggrieved professors saying that actually everyone in the global south should be thankful for us for to us for colonialism because of trains because we just we just nutted a fucking eight roper of trains all across the developing world and that those train fucking guys. Yeah. Absolutely.

Old old train kiss. Just a J train kiss to quote a tweet from you. It was our it was our ambition just to sue the autists of the global south. And no, but so and then they're but they're like like most academics like we'll write papers that get put behind like an insane paywall and accessed by 10 people ever trying to write an exam. But the only academics that ever actually get serious media coverage more or less are the people who are like, you know, in invented doctorates to like in in Cologne and they

have a PhD in why colonialism was good, for example, and they just constantly get published in global level newspapers complaining about the fact that no one listens to or likes them. Classic. It's like a cottage industry here. I love having a column in a national newspaper or a complaint that no one listens to me. Oh, man. So is that this? Sorry.

No, this cycle like just keeps on giving like I'm reminding myself of it now. Well, Margaret Thatcher said that the facts of life are conservative. How can we be sure that the facts of science don't naturally swing left like my dick? What is what this is what left wing scientists seem to believe. But as Coffner's shows, in order to reach that conclusion, they have to torture the data till it screams, which sometimes is necessary. Okay. Like when the data has important information that we need to do, we need to get hands data

interrogation techniques. Waterboarding my data to make it left wing. Waterboarding my data to it. So Delling Poll continues in 2014, a paper was published in science. Now, I presume he means a journal here, but I like to think that he just thinks of science as like a big amorphous thing in which things are published. When contact changes minds and experiment on transmission of support for gay equality. This demonstrate the instinctively homophobic buttoned up conservatives were more likely

to become liberal on meeting a gay man. Their study showed that 20 minute conversation with a gay canvasser increased their acceptance of same sex marriage nine months later. Like what was a gay camp? Like just someone who goes around knocking on doors being like, hey, have you heard about these gay people they have now? He thought about switching teams. Will suck your dick real good.

Have you heard the good news? The gay over's witnesses. Gay people in a shirt tie. Quick, Nate, edit this bit out. Hussein, are you still there? Is Hussein snoring? It's late for him. He's taking a little nap.

That's adorable. That's amazing. Can we do the rest of the app like that? I love our great podcast. Hussein, big fan of the show. Oh, poor guy got tuckered out. Hang on. I'm going to call him.

It's a Pavlovian reaction. Like Delling poll sends everyone to sleep. Initially, I thought that noise was really like angrily growling at Delling poll. I'm calling it. Leave all of this in. This is so good. Don't leave any of this in. Leave it all in.

You've got to release some of it in. I can hear the phone ringing too. He's out like a light. That's a first. That's a first for me. Is that weed smoking with the gamers? Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Holy shit. We literally cannot edit this out. It's too good. Oh, that's incredible. Okay. Should we just carry on and hope that he wakes up in time to do Brenton? Yeah, let's do that. Maybe he'll hear us.

Jolt away. I'll just talk about Delling poll more loud. Okay. So do you want it? You conclude Delling poll and then we'll pass back to Lucy and we'll see if Hussein wakes up. It's like one in the morning for him and he's always tired like post Malone's face tattoo. Oh, my goodness. This is killing me.

Shall we go on a different hangout? No, I like this snoring. I'll say this way. We might wake Hussein up. Lucy, I'll just show you a link for the Andrew Bolt blog post. That recent one we were talking about. Oh, are we doing Bolt? Good old Balty.

Oh, right. Oh, let's do it. I've heard him on your show before. He's uniquely bad. He's incredible. Okay. Take me on a tour of this man's brain, please. Please.

So Andrew Bolt is also on Sky News. He is a... So Andrew Bolt, he is according to his byline the most red columnist in Australia because basically he gets an opinion column in like every Murdoch tabloid every day of the week. Not because he's like peaced with rage. Oh, he's fucking nuts. He's also like a documented denier of the stolen generations in Australia, which is like in sort of colonial times when the country was being colonized and there was like government

policies to go and basically just take Aboriginal children from their parents. Good. Normal. It's a fine thing to do. Yep. And then give them to colonial families to raise. And the idea was that they would both like, you know, teach them to not be savages and ideally breed them out of the country basically.

Okay. Good. Good. So they were doing like, what's the opposite of white genocide? Something... Yeah. Just regular genocide. And the other reason is that it seems like it actually happened unlike white genocide,

which is a made up thing. Yeah. So, so he's sort of banged on about this for years because he's a big smug idiot, but he's also really fucking dumb. He, he interprets it as because he can't find documentation from the time or policy from the time that says, we're doing this to be racist. He says, you can't call it racist. He's got a point.

Yeah. So he's, he's on that whole kind of like, oh, well, well, the people at the time were doing things that they thought were good. They thought that like he says that, you know, because if you go back and look through the documents that says, we were taking this child off this family because, you know, they couldn't take care of them properly. That he's like, oh, well, that's not racist. They're just offering them off.

That's, that's science. That's like, that's science that doesn't have a left leaning bias actually. The Nazis were misguided. They got over excited about producing synthetic rubber. Okay. That's it. Things got a little out of hand. So, so he has been accused.

He's had like long running public debates with university professors where he's been accused of like historical denialism, which comes, comes back into play actually. He also, he also holds the distinction of, of all of our colonists as being the one convicted racist. Oh, convicted racist. Yep. Convicted racist Andrew Bolt. He, he has a, so, so we have a set of racial discrimination laws and put in place by Julie

Gillard when she was the clowns are running the asylum. I remember. That's it. When she, when, when they took over the man house, imagine being racist enough to get arrested for racism in Australia. Yeah. Well, well, the thing is that like it, it has to be like, it has to be proven in a court as being like sustained and deliberate and targeted and stuff.

So you can't just like scream the N word at a person on the street and then get picked by cops, which is what like, which is what free, free speech warriors like to act as though it's like someone, someone overhears you whispering a slur and the police come and take you away. Well, cause that's just a barbecue. Right. That's like a normal barbecue. Well, you're trying, you're trying to have a slur party in the privacy of your own home

and the thought police come in there. It's like George Orwell. I can't even say slur. Whereas, whereas the reality, the reality of like people who have been convicted under 18 C and like you don't go to prison or anything. I think you just get like a fine and they publish a thing saying this dude sucks. So what you say if you get convicted of Australia, of racism in Australia, you get like put in the text equivalent of the stockade for people to whip tomatoes at you.

That's it. They just put out the one big billboard that we have in the middle of the country and they just put it up. They actually put you in a giant wood pile. Yeah. So, so the thing that he got done for was writing a continuing series of columns in which he accused various members of the public and of like academia of like pretending to be aboriginal for advantage.

Basically. So, so yeah. Holy shit. So, so nine people sued him over his various posts and articles with titles like it's so hip to be black. White is the new black and white fellas in the black. So his article is curious and the news beside tip to being black. The article suggests that it was fashionable for fair skinned people of diverse ancestry to

use aboriginal racial identity for the purposes of political and career clout. Okay. And he did this by naming all of these people and putting their fucking photos in the paper so that you could see that they were too white looking to call themselves aboriginal. So like a helpful like Pantone color guide next to it. Yeah. Yeah. Weirdly enough, these people took offense.

And it was it was upheld. But the most recent thing that we thought we'd run you through is there was a new a new like far right senator who got into got into the Senate and gave his maiden speech a week or two ago. Yeah, I remember this. And it was like thick and fast with crazy like white nationalist Christian bloodline really psycho identity stuff. Okay.

Cool. And and weirdly enough, everybody freaked out when he called for a final solution to the immigration problem because he's totally copying the Nazis. Yeah. Fuck. Was this when he tried to get out of it by saying that it's not he's not quoting the because they would have said it in German. No, no, that was that was a different guy.

It was a different guy who said that. Well, well actually if you if you had if you had to set it in German, it would have been German words. So they actually it was like they never actually even said final solution in English to say what words are actually your bias left leaning dictionary. So Lucy, do you want to take us through the blog post that he did about the final solution controversy? Hussein's back.

I was. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. I fell asleep on you guys. But I have I have been listening. But then I started dreaming sweet dreams of little of small small kings running running through. But then should be around.

Podcasting moment. So what so what actually happened? Well, we were just sitting around having a game of slurs. Yeah. And then we heard snoring. Was I just like was I just snoring? Yes. Yes.

Incredible. Incredible. Okay. This is what we get for podcasting late at night. So Lucy, would you like to take us through this particular bit of sweetness? Yes. I'll take you to the title of Andrew Bolt's blog post. Final solution was bad.

But so is climate denier. Oh. The phrase final solution has outraged dozens of politicians from labor in the greens because of the link to the Holocaust. Will labor and the greens now express similar outrage at the phrase climate deniers given its deliberate link to Holocaust deniers. You can't deny anything these days. Although call your races.

That's amazing. Oh boy. It's incredible. It's so it's so galaxy brain. It's fantastic. But he then he goes on to do like exactly what Milo was just talking about with Delling Pole, which is he's he like quotes some university professors talking about like why they think it's reasonable to use that word specifically.

But he thinks that they sound insane, but he's just quoting people giving a reasonable explanation for a thing. That's incredible. That's a Delling Pole move. Classic. The sarcastic sensible stuff. Also right. What a normal person would think.

But in a sarcastic voice, I love the conservative mindset that's like no, everything has to be completely balanced. So if you're going to if you're going to condemn us using Nazi rhetoric, then we get to condemn one of yours. He quotes these professors and one of them says he quotes extremist professor Robert Mann. And the guy the guy just explains he says like skepticism is in general also, you know, obviously referring to how a lot of people like Andrew Bolt, who is like insane about

climate denial stuff. For example, we're having like this terrifyingly bad drought through tons of farmland in New South Wales and Australia at the moment. And he's convinced that it's like it's just a conspiracy. He thinks it's like a false flag drought or that the National Broadcaster is putting on. So just to advance their international and diverse transgender windmill agenda. They're hiding all the water in the wood piles.

Because because people, you know, refer to themselves as climate skeptics and stuff like that. And this guy says skepticism is in general as it should be a positive word denoting scientific or humanistic curiosity and in particular the presence of an open mind. Denialism, a concept that was first widely used as far as I know for those who claim that the Holocaust was a fraud is the concept that I believe we should use. Like again, he's just saying something sensible in the face of overwhelming evidence to pretend that a thing is not happening.

You're not being skeptical about it. You're denying it. I'm actually very skeptical about my wife leaving. Yes, you claim I owe this much in child support, but I'm a rational humanist skeptic. He's a good one. There's no end of stuff about Andrew Palt. So that's it for this week. You can look forward to hearing the remaining three pundits getting critiqued in an upcoming

episode. See you next week. Thank you.