TRASHFUTURE - Gender Critical National Infrastructure feat. Abi Thorn + Mattie Lubchansky

Episode Date: September 28, 2021

So you've decided to run down the functions of your society? What's left to get people up in the morning? We are joined by Abi Thorn and Mattie Lubchansky to talk about the political usefulness of transphobia. But first, we talk about how Britain engineered a gas crisis it is unwilling to escape from, and talk about a cool business. If you want access to our Patreon bonus episodes, early releases of free episodes, and powerful Discord server, sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/trashfuture If you’re in the UK and want to help Afghan refugees and internally displaced people, consider donating to Afghanaid: https://www.afghanaid.org.uk/ *WEB DESIGN ALERT* Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/ *MILO ALERT* Smoke returns for another night of new material from pro-comics featuring Edinburgh Comedy Award winner Jordan Brookes. See it all, for the low price of £5, on September 28 at 8 pm at The Sekforde Arms (34 Sekforde Street London EC1R 0HA): https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/smoke-comedy-featuring-jordan-brookes-tickets-171869475227 Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and Alice (@AliceAvizandum)

Hello, welcome back to the free one Oh fun and as you can weird today Do you have that one of whom is a woman it's it's Riley and I am of course here with commander Milo Edwards and commander Alice Caldwell Kelly outranked by Admiral Devin yeah that's right we are very pleased to be joined by commander Maddie Lepchansky of the nib and also of our friend and what's great is that you are going to say a holy anyway and that just happened to play into it yeah we are also we are also very pleased to be joined by actress commander Abigail

Thorn philosophy to and kill James Bond Maddie Abbey how's it going very well thank you delighted to be here pretty okay I'm excited America is opening Guantanamo to soon electric Boogaloo electric we mean the current through your testicles yeah what's that that's what we're saying you know they say oh America doesn't build things anymore but here it is making a sequel to one of the worst things it's ever done I mean they are off-shoring it though yeah there you go and the thing is they're not doing what a mild lecture on negotiations would have called increasing the size of the pie before dividing it they want to

build another torture camp why don't they just put people in it voluntarily why don't they build a tour for Alice yeah yeah both went there at the same time look we got a packed show for you today so I'm just gonna dive right into the startup it's called hell biz come on yes it's coming at you from the hellbiz hellbiz hellbiz one hour I'm rich lava one hell in hellbiz I'm gonna throw in Maddie please the hellbiz it's hellbizness um oh god hellbiz it is it is it is sort of like electronic Bible that helps it is electronic mm it's nothing to do with hell is it a podcast about how if we don't do fully

automated luxury communism the future is and will be hell just cutting room floor tf names no it's not it's not it's not a podcast it does have to do with an electronic abbey it's the unlikely fusion of the fusion of the Hellenic and Byzantine empires oh okay isn't unlikely fusion and it does have a lot to do with electronics my love before we go into quite hellenic I would say I hate it I hate it but it just comes out of no pleasure from it yeah of course I'm sure it just comes out of you involuntarily to remind us all that you know a lot about the ancient world yeah it was like that time when someone was

trying to have a go about a white woman being cast as Cleopatra and someone was like she was white she was Greek she wasn't Egyptian she was just she ruled hellbiz yeah hellbiz I think it's an app that helps you order helman's mustard oh that is closer to the truth mustard than anyone anything anyone has said oh it isn't I don't like that I don't know why you mustards in my hellbiz order but none of them go with my sandwich normal world app of unlikely fusion is to do with electronics and you can use it to procure mustard but the mustard will come atop something else usually I don't think you can just buy straight

electronics so I'm like ordering a phone with mustard on it it's like another Joker gorillas grocery thing yeah the guys from gorillas are also still on the call the gorilla all right all right okay okay I'm gonna give you I'm gonna give you there there are there they're long already twisted eight taking ideas twisted tea flavor is just eight just eight flavor no I've got these scars banana probably quote taking ideas and making them into reality is our strength at hellbiz that's just anything doing stuff having a wank is doing that technically so this is just more evidence that it's Satan it's like oh

you could have a wish but at what price don't pay with money on the air here at hellbiz it's a star stop that teaches you to make fantastic delsa blues music but at the cost of your soul it summons the something wicked this way comes carnival to your town just Memphis stuffily is with an app so here's the thing hellbiz is a global leader in micro mobility services that helps you move a really small distance so it gives three connected vehicles but one electric experience it's a scooter startup basically one of these other scooters right oh wait wait wait but it's right so like I can ride my electric

scooter into the back of an electric car that then drives into the back of an electric truck oh it's thunderbirds it's three slightly different kinds of scooter but it's gotten incredibly out of hand in other ways I never get anything cool sorry you should we should start a show where we review fun technology I know I've never loved anything more than Alice's interest it's like horrible sex stuff cute little dainty modes of transport I'm a land of contrasts I contain multitudes hellbiz is a leader in micro mobility services launched in 2015 and headquartered in New York City the company offers a diverse

fleet of vehicles including e-scooters e-bikes and emo pets okay all on one user-friendly platform wait those are all the same thing that's true hellbiz uses a customized proprietary fleet management platform AI and environmental mapping to optimize optimize operations in business to stay on that's what they're saying well what it and then they in fact just today they've been on announced a partnership with an AI company where basically as soon as you're done riding the scooter you have to take a picture of a scooter and then an AI tells you if you've parked it amazing that's gonna work so well it's

not gonna frustrate anyone no I mean the good news is you'll be able to defeat this by parking it wherever the fuck you want drawing a chalk circle around it and rising parking space in that circle yeah and genius it also the AI will automatically control the speed of the thing based on what kind of road you're on right so you're trying to like get away from a pursue and the AI is like I'm sorry but based on the road surface you can't you're not allowed to go any faster than 47 your target is taking an e-scooter it would be a shame if someone was to increase the speed well done six hundred miles an hour yeah

well done agent 47 they died by themselves so it's and you also have to take a selfie when you get on to show what you're wearing a helmet while you're driving amazing yeah so you have to wear a helmet take a selfie and it's like okay you're wearing a selfie you can get on then it's like but if you go onto a side street we'll automatically slow you down this company's like we're not interested in Sikhs no fuck them they're not using this we don't like them we don't care for them get rid of them yeah but so look so far right all this see like basically it's like yeah it's all of this seems like it just starts

turning you in okay so but like so far this isn't sort of a big deal like we've seen crazier startups than this right sure like seriously there's nothing else completely insane about this company right no of course they're put kind of so I've just scrolled down a little bit more help is has announced that it's expanding it's it's now an urban lifestyle company the scooter the scooter firm is now going to include live streaming services food delivery financial services and more so it's run by like a chat hanks type guy one of these kind of guys he's just like I don't know I just I'm interested in lots of stuff it's

run it's like it's run by Bill Gross's awful son Nick yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you can like tune into someone's helmet cam live streamers then like follow your delivery driver and like follow around their day to YouTube down to my school yeah we're calling it the scooter zone we're all going to be riding together like a bunch of mods in Brighton in the 60s unfortunately the scooter company has partnered with Amazon to be the exclusive deliver that's exclusive distributor of Italian football like the lower league worldwide what what surely that gives him an unfair advantage if the Italian team are all

on scooters scooters are AI controls they don't tell me that my beloved Livorno has been bought out by a fucking scooter company run by Bill Gross's idiot son effectively yeah more or less it's the Italian ultras coming at you on little electric shit is only is it coming home but you can actually track exactly how close it is to coming so it's it's basically if you want to stream football like the lower league Italian football doesn't you it's like the hellbiz brings it to you on any TV equipped with an Amazon Prime video

channel in Italy no it's nothing to do with the scooter is hard but also they're doing food delivery yeah they've also built a large ghost kitchen I want to order a piece I want to watch the deliver no I actually genuinely think that was their line of reasoning you have to take a picture of yourself doing the Italian possibly being Italian has a more racist view of Italians than we do and we're pretty racist against Italians on this show that's right here's their final bit well they have another couple of business lines here's their other big one

because they have like a financial services through a cryptocurrency as well of course taking mad pills we'll get to that in a bit oh what don't they do yeah I've you comp you global megacorp so they're final line of business and this is I've transcribed this from a video that they did okay we asked ourselves how we can leverage our experience in microability and sustainability and unite them in a ghost kitchen a dark kitchen it's the same as dark I love to work in the hellbiz ghost kitchen they have the largest international they have the largest ghost kitchen in

Italy and what they've done is they've basically licensed the branding of tons of other restaurants put it in the ghost kitchen and then there's just a big vat of ingredients in the middle and they just slop into different like Italian chef is like they take multiple restaurants bring them into one kitchen the kitchen is covered in IOT sensors and then they say what that allows them to do is get the minimum oven to bag time so it's like that they can put the meal in the bag in the minimum amount of time versus like other ghost kitchens and I suppose it hasn't occurred to them that when I order a meal I'm not interested

in it taking the smallest amount of time to reach me I'm interested in it being tasty well I'm sure Internet of Things sensors could help us with that I hate it when I wish for wealth beyond imagining and then in death I am forced to be whipped by the devil for my oven to bag time so in 2017 this is from coin desk in the midst of the ICO boom Salvatore Pellea who's the house CEO yeah promoting this guy hellbiz coin and its associated blockchain platform as a peer-to-peer solution to reinvent the ride-sharing economy this is just words that just saying words they put two

dictionaries in the large hadron collider and it came out with this fucking startup yeah capitalizing on the mania over the crowd-string business and crypto Pellea raised nearly 40 million from small investors and we've replaced the large hadron collider with a small moped collider these small investors children is that why they invested in it well I I think I think someone who buys a like a token from a delivery company I think is legally a child yes this was this was that then they were sued because the coin didn't do anything obviously and the 62-page court document they were served with

outlined several supposed instances of salt false advertising deceptive statements as well as the expropriation of investor money to fund the CEO's lavish lifestyle is it a crime to defraud your investors and is it a crime to lie about your product that you're selling to everyone because if that's a crime then we got to put the whole economy in jail man so these these include a non-existent partnership with Alibaba as well as plans for a quote a flying hellbiz drone taxi that would revolutionize urban travel awesome what are they just stealing bits from us I think so I think they're just like they

were just like yeah our startup does everything that these these people have talked about this guy has been having his business ideas from looking at trash future shirts yes and also we do crypto and also we're a scooter company and we're born Italian football team and we do live streaming at one point listen we see here and respect people with a DHT on the point you have to tell us if you're the CEO at one point otherwise it's in trap at one point the vision is all crowdsourced yachts and private jets I mean I'll now list just another of their partnerships

and events so the only place it can go from here is Epstein ship the only way it can impress me no no it's stupider in 2019 they tried to do a fashion runway show with electric scooters what awesome what how many models died not enough the in in 2019 the New York City e pre they announced a partnership with hellbiz where they hellbiz allowed new yorkers to ride a little circular track near the track where like the formula e trap cars are racing they also partnered with the governor with the government of antigua and barbuda

to operate a pilot of drone taxis which I don't think have taken off literally they also they renamed their one of their e-bikes Greta to honor Greta Thunberg presented on the green carpet of the final ceremony of the Milan fashion week you know Greta you're actually older than many of our investors and some of my girlfriends also they were one of the corporate sponsors of the biden harris inauguration oh my god just a bunch of secret service agents riding next to the limo and little scooters uh they all companies giving me a headache yeah um this company pick one thing this company actually is uh it's it's a psychic attack

that i'm doing uh they also have partnered with vox media to create an experiential tourism what uh uh company um listening to this is kind of experiential tourism of a certain kind it's so around Rome basically vox and hellbiz can rent you a scooter also they claim to have joined forces with alipay to offer a safe and convenient mobility service for tourism but at the same time have like alleged to have claimed a false partnership with alibaba in the past they also have worked with miami football club and they're going to sponsor the miami football club match kits and finally as we said they've now acquired the rights to broadcast uh italian football this was like this was like getting stunned locked right like i

i think you are in a combo being like juggled yes i i'm being juggled yeah what what are they they're gonna advertise what on the miami football club kit so they're just gonna put their name on there but i didn't google this like really really small fun they're just gonna listen if you want literally anything contact us and you won't get it but we notionally offer it yeah this like we know a guy but also he doesn't work start us up it's like this is like that tweet about the founder of yamaha being like well time to start a saxophone and moda scooter company but just like more more than he could ever have imagined i live in the former company town of steinway pianos and streetcars so yeah um but the uh yeah i mean this tracks entirely with if you've

ever met someone from miami they're all just kind of like this it's like a very loud shirt and like a still wearing a bluetooth headset thing and just has like seven businesses and like i'm a brand ambassador and a content creator and i've got a company that uh sells a scooter television miss the worldwide anyway that's uh that's help is uh so i'm ready to invest what the hell is that's all of that we begin every meeting with dale it's an opportunity abby it's an opportunity for you to be all that you can be it's the army also i i feel like the james bond guy who like reacts to things by taking a big look at the bottle he's drinking from right now i'm just like what yeah good morning man it is four a.m italian time you will take out your

computer and use it to do stuff do whatever you want pretty much anything comprises your duty so get on it one jono rick atz yeah all right all right that's that's help is that's help is shall we discuss the continuing set of overlapping crises that continue to no no i want six to seven more minutes of italian foreign legion bits great cool uh fantastic we'll put them in and post in the meantime uh so can we talk about the dam gas the dam which one natural natural gas or co2 because we're having different crises at once we're having different related gas crises uh we did we're running on what is this my dam intestines gas gas or gas we don't have any of them that's as what is this my dam intestines referring to of course ibs ibs but i but i but i i love

that britain is experiencing a shortage of co2 i just yeah it's beautiful the irony that even as the climate reaper is poised to cut our legs from under us we are also experiencing a shortage of co2 because we've got too much but it's in the wrong place and earth at the same time yeah it's so great that's so much of like our food and drink supply depends on one thing that we produce in fertilizer factories by accident and as a consequence of natural gas prices going up it's not economic to produce that anymore and so the government have had to bribe one of these american fertilizer firms to restart production they won't say how much they paid them which means that and they say they won't do it for anyone else which means they gave them absolutely fucking everything

which means the government and i are as one on this we both believe that the second that we cannot get coke zero or pepsi max on the shelves it's fucking over it's the october revolution instantly the next day people are setting police fans on fire so let's talk about what's actually happening here right so there is a sort of much much discussed natural gas shortage in the uk and i'm sure it will by the time this comes out another shortage will have reared its head because after the long the long tail consequence of thatcherism is that our economy is actually 90 comprised of monkeys pool it's mostly hellbiz stuff yeah yeah the entire economy is run by one beast yeah who don't work and then you find for some reason that hellbiz requires 600 tons of

natural gas a day otherwise it stops working local italian restaurante okay so what happened basically right is that as a as a result of like a bunch of factors coming into play sort of at once one of which being a bunch of factors coming to play at once one of them is just the fact that there are still no lorry drivers uh the other one is that most of the natural gas plants in Russia all underwent maintenance at once we've lot yep and so then this is an efficient and then the other thing is um is that basically we're just there's a europe wide gas crisis that's especially bad in the uk because we use a lot of natural gas and also the private company that owned most of the storage of natural gas in the uk centrica dismantled all the storage of natural gas in the uk in

2018 because it wasn't making enough money on it as efficient you want to know something else really funny so a lot of the reason why we need natural gas is for power generation right now part of the reason why we need a lot of it is because alternative fuels like we've had a sort of a low period for renewables there hasn't been a lot of wind right um but you'd think okay we've got nuclear power plants why can't we just scale those up well uh britain has managed to produce the only fleet of nuclear reactors in the world that depend on an abundant supply of cheap liquid natural gas what why what yes we are breaking a rip start british nuclear reactors depend on natural gas as a coolant it's actually just no that is not a joke that is absolutely true but is it but is

it not reusable no apparently not enough it's up fucking hell yeah can't we just put anything else cold in there no it's british we gotta do we gotta put all of the flat coke that we now have through the nuclear reactor yeah ben and jerry's island everyone on the nuclear reactor forums is arguing about what coolant you can put in there yeah but i i think don't put anything in there it's not bmw on a bottle mate so i think what's worth what's worth sort of discussing about this right is um several things so uh number one number one we should build more nuclear power plants we shouldn't build them wrong as a joke on purpose monkey's paw everything is monkey's paw right so let's just say it doesn't burn natural gas if anything it does the opposite it requires it to

be cool that's all so one of the let's sort of organize our thinking here right is the the the what's happened is that the there's an energy price cap which means that if you're on sort of certain kinds of default tariff which many people are there is a maximum amount of there's a maximum amount of money you can pay per year for your energy which means it can only go up by certain amounts um and but also we have a private energy market because british gas was sort of created by thatcher in the 80s and then sort of spun out into a big six group of companies that about 10 years ago were found to have cartelized and controlled pricing obviously yeah yeah right so our solution and the other thing is though in a way that was good for the consumer uh it was privatized

well what we did was we decided how we were going to fight that was more competition so there's a little bit of just there's a little bit of a difference in sort of a big power company which has enough money and resources that it can hedge what prices basically they don't have to buy energy in what's called the spot market which is buying energy today for the price that it is today yeah they can buy energy on the futures market which basically means they can smooth their prices they buy some energy spot some energy futures and so the average price remains pretty consistent because they've hedged however they're paying you uh they're paying you tuesday for a hamburger today at all times that's the that's the like that's that's pretty that's pretty normal behavior

sure um and that but to fix that the problem was they were cartelized so to fix that the UK government was like we need way more competition and so a bunch of tiny energy providers need italians who make scooters to enter the energy market paying for your power with dogecoin but the other thing right is that these energy these are they don't generate any power they just resell it yeah they're just call centers and billing departments they have no relationship with power generation at all no nothing the most british thing imaginable of course and so we've created another generation of retail of resellers all of whom are quite small and they're trying to undercut the big six by charging low by charging a small amount of money yeah like apparently niche your markets like people's energy

which was going to sell you like uh sort of like on a co-op basis or like energy that was going to be exclusively like from renewables or green energy or whatever but crucially a lot of these small providers uh either didn't or didn't hedge didn't hedge at all or didn't hedge enough which means all of them have now gone out of business because they can't exist with the price cap yeah so it means that it seems like the and on top of all of this uh labor has said they in the middle of this ongoing crisis that means where the business secretary is saying we promise you won't have to you won't have to turn out your lights in the winter right which means there's a very good chance you may have to do that in the middle of all of this labor is still

committed to not ever bringing any of this back into national control almost as if private property and free markets have some kind of tendency or like for for things to move towards what you might go like a situation in which one person owns everything i wouldn't i wouldn't worry about a board game wouldn't worry about if i was you like a man with a moustache and a top hat is like grinning and looking at me scrabble a tendency towards scrabble yeah a tendency to scrabble um what's really funny is tendency towards cranium as part of what my general bit of the funniest possible outcome is the uk moves to a planned economy under the tories while they're constantly bleating about how they don't want to do a planned economy but they have to uh

morris jones has to start wearing uniforms with loads of medals and i don't know how this keeps happening the last the last safety net and the thing that will inadvertently turn the tories into letter nests right is um we end up with like a buyer of last resort and then you end up with a possibility of an administrator where the government just sort of temporarily nationalizes the energy sector runs it centrally and then pinky promises to give it all back when they're done when it works again the way that they'll do it because they're the tories is they will appoint someone incompetent so they will give it to hellbiz and hellbiz will fuck it up like handcock back in the cabinet finally i'll take it in charge of the energy i'll take it redemption

knock yes yeah so basically the other so what was revealed right is that in order to solve the problem of the energy cartel we created a bunch of businesses that folded as soon as there was a crisis great and it was now been revealed by the energy regulator off gem uh that 70 percent of energy retailers are loss making but they're loss making on somehow they are loss making on a rent seeking activity for which they just have to bill people yeah all they have to do is buy something at one price and sell it for slightly more it's a commodity that everyone needs when the government have gone yeah part of the reason why we don't want to bail out these companies is because they've been poorly run they're not wrong about them having been poorly run

because they're like their inability to make a profit on this isn't just uh like inherent to their inability to use a hedge it's also that they're very bad at their business they're running documents down the hallway at the office building using hillbiz scooters and that's just a lot of overhead and what but what makes this sort of a sort of doubly vexed issue right is that you is that we've basically dismantled everything but the most just in time energy infrastructure possible but also it's like this isn't like right to buy or whatever where uh or like sort of cuts to like increasing like taxes or national insurance or whatever this is stuff that like affects pensioners as well and the Tories are much smarter about politics than labor currently and so they know

that like they can't pull all of the pensioners that vote for them and put into the cold literally this winter so they're they're faced with a fucking die they're faced with an actual they're having to govern again and they hate it they hate doing that but they're being made to do it and every time that there's another crisis that's a slightly worse one that requires them to take like the minimum measure they can take which is the one they always do the one that kicks the can down the road gets a little bit more governement and so every time they get ratcheted up closer to full Tory Marxism Leninism it's like when your dad's watching the football and you and your friends are doing something stupid upstairs in the house and your dad's like don't make me come up there

don't make me govern i fucking hate that everyone hates it when i have to do that but like the thing is let's if thinking about sort like the Tories are going to Tory right they're going to try to fix this problem in such a way that they keep their voters as alive as possible as long as they need them and then they're going to try to do it in such a way that like makes one of their friends an enormous amount of money of cool like that's that's sort of table stakes at this point like what i find very interesting is that yeah it's just like it's we are the sort of almost like we are in a world where we have to just believe that this is the only way that it's possible to run an energy system is if you have all of these late layers of

sort of constantly failing middlemen between the people who actually need the power and the people who are generating the power yeah there's no other thing that has to be a profit most of involved you can't run something as public utility no it's emperor's new cloth new cloth shit it's like at what point do you acknowledge that you've tried free markets for what 200 years and it's a fucking disaster and every time you try and do free markets this keeps happening it sounds like you haven't been googling venezuela enough apparently not and also it asks like you know this is if i were uh say uh party in opposition i might sort of try to ask well what do people actually want from the state because i think what most people actually want

from the state um is they want there there is this great scary world out there and what most people want from the state is to be protected from the bit of the world they find scary well you're in luck because big here has written an essay explaining what he thinks people want from the state next bonus episode i'm making you all listen to my selections from it i mean this is this is the most kia starmer thing ever is to write homework for fun yeah um it's so good but but like also riley's one of like three people who have read this 11,500 words and you're gonna make us read it no i'm gonna read the whole thing i'm gonna read you and the listeners the bits that i think are worth laughing at i'm gonna do the actual hard work to get you the little nuggets

from inside tasty morsels um uh but like highly shucking gist on his essay for the desire for the desire to have a state that protects you from things outside the state out in the world is sort of can be cashed out in xenophobic terms protect me from other workers coming in and undercutting my wages or changing my culture or whatever but it also can be cashed out in simple welfare terms which is please ensure that this disruption in global energy markets means i don't have to choose between my home and some other essential thing i mean now we're getting into the real sort of like survival stuff of the government is there to keep the lights on um yeah and the people who are now in charge of keeping the lights on have been on a

you know depending on how you look at 20 or 200 year ideological program of the government's job is to do anything except anything that might look like keeping the lights on it's one of these things right where the lot before we sort of move on to our core topic for today right we've talked about before how the winter of discontent was like made up but it was did not real it was not real it was a press phenomenon right the the winter of discontent as it is remembered by people did not actually occur sure you know the thing was we had the only grave digging system in europe where to bury a body actually required a huge amount of natural gas as spain lubricant yeah you're not getting a shovel in the ground unless you're covering it in natural yeah we

had to bury all the bodies in coal it was very strange right but to frack open the holes but the thing is right we're about to go into a real one and i think you can i mean i can open content in years it's almost it's almost hacked the point out right but you can sort of see very very clearly that the whole story of the winter of discontent or whatever was essentially a sort of right wing and media plot to break the unions because there's one going on right now and no one seems to be interested in getting to the bottom of why it's happened there is one sort of inexactitude here right which is that like if you say winter of discontent that does imply that it hasn't end right um energy production is not going back to normal after this supply chains and not

going back to normal after this they can get weird in like different ways they perhaps could even get better maybe that would be an idea if someone wants to advocate for that but like even the society of like 2018 is now beyond our reach which is a great fucking thing to think about it's really weird right to think that oh yeah it did peak it peaked recently and it's now very apparent that it has peaked because like if you think about in in the totality of the history of the world i think it's worth bringing up right how completely fucking insane it is that you can get an orange in december in britain right and not i'm not saying that shouldn't happen i'm not saying that's bad or we shouldn't like it like me like me scars even open because of scurvy

and i'm not i'm not just saying oh that's bad and we shouldn't have that like no that's that's good we can if it's something that can be done it should know it's just that when we were saying that like our modes of production and our modes of logistics were unsustainable right what that meant was at some point they will no longer be able to be sustained this is one of those points unsustainable as in oh maybe it's always a bit naughty shouldn't do that it's like actually you cannot keep doing this i also think like the mode of production and the mode of production and the sort of infrastructural thickness required we're at odds with yo infrastructure looking dummy thick the average british podcaster in one week has more access to orders from burger

cunt at their fingertips than the average medieval peasant but if you think about this right the the the point that the people are organizing most of this and by the people organizing it you're talking about the people actually make taking financial planning decisions the people deploying capital right because every economy is planned it's just some some planned economies have people who had an economic planner the bank of england the cabinet yes yeah yeah well some but also you know uh some some societies have economic planners called ceo's right but it's all economic planners and i think people have forgotten that a few short decades that the sheer totality of infrastructure that was required to like keep this very historically unusual state of affairs afloat as you say milo

like the the economic planners have been just removing sticks like a game of kerplunk and the marble is kerplunking yeah the society has a tendency to kerplunk we're in a kerplunk type situation the the miracle world like this miracle world of instant commodity instant universal commodity where the they're just a pure flatness between something that is easy to make nearby to you and something that's very difficult to make you flatten instead of thick i think it's important to bear in mind listeners that we're not saying oh it's because you're so decadent and like you shouldn't expect your treats in in december you've felt the little void because you've presented to you it's no it's because you don't have democratic control of the life

that you lead on the state that you live in or the economy that you have to live on yes that's why yeah it's like we had oranges in winter and and like maybe this year we'll still have oranges in winter but the continued getting of oranges in winter depends on more democratic control the economy you can't be sort of vice and virtue about this but i think you can say and this is why i like talking about the co2 shortage right that there is to some extent an unspoken deal going on here between the various like planners of our economy and us right and that deal is we have access to treats so long as we have those that access to treats right and some sort of like basic standard of living for enough people that we don't feel too bad for

the people that we've thrown out of that then we're not going to make too much trouble right and that's the real like political risk that's the thing that if i were in charge i would be very worried about is taking the fucking coke zero away taking the treats away yeah taking the heating and light away for enough people that it starts to count with the people who had those things normally well riley i guess that if my standard of living is going down there is probably one thing that could satisfy me and that's if i can see the state disciplines and people i don't like so can you offer me some of that if i didn't know any better i'd say you were teaming me up to go into the next segment i was just going to say that in uh in britain there are now basically

three kinds of people there are foreigners who we drown in the channel and there are like people who do delivery and other such things where you know you get paid like four pounds an hour or whatever and then there's the little birthday boy yeah and if you're lucky you get to be the little birthday boy you wear the sailor costume and the man from electricity to france or whatever gives you the big lollipop and you pay the bill and you're the little birthday boy and you shouldn't worry about it and to some extent this is a birthday boy podcast right like we are all wearing the little sailor suits it's just that we don't want to we have been we don't have a house but we do have this lollipop and that's more than most people get exactly we acknowledge that but let's

let's let's talk go into our our third segment right um because boy ever since we last since we last spoke to you abby um and since we last spoke to you as well maddie but not about this particular issue uh boy have things gotten uh worse every time i see ryan so i'm going to start us making it happen maybe we've uh we've talked about we've talked about this sort of beforehand how we want to organize this discussion because uh it's obviously a very difficult one yeah it's the serious segment it's a difficult one to have and i almost i think i want to start with um the the lighter end of it which is uh isabel oak shot a sort of spectator woman who loves parking yeah uh tweeted i'm i'm bored of the trans debate i wish we could talk about something else me too

for a twix yeah so am i babes why don't you stop fucking having it so this is the official tf message to any right wing columnist if you're bored of the trans debate you can shut the fuck up about it yeah friday and it shut the fuck up from me and shut the fuck up from the rest of us yeah it's ironic because it's like it's it's that kind it's that classic spectator thing where it's like accidentally perceptive whereby like the elite are so close to realizing that there are like 50 people who admittedly all have newspaper columns but they are the only 50 people in britain who really give a shit about transphobia and everyone else even like your right wing man on the street is just like what the fuck are they talking about what about women's toilets why

don't think about that shit i just want to kill the asylum seat that's exactly right it's a very like insider opinion right it's like all i wanted to do was like defund essential public services but now my my nice movement is being hijacked by these freak shows like i'll talk to like your average like car dealer and be like hey what do you think about women won't weashed and see what they say uh women women won't weashed women won't weashed for better service better savings Lepchansky's Ford it's saying they won't weashed for better savings that is better savings savings but we should have a house band we should get a house band we need a house we have one for specifically so and i think what we can talk about right is that

there is this there has been this this movement i think in in sort of british transphobia since we last spoke where i think the political consensus seems to be pretty it seems to be sort of have moved broader right the media consensus has sort of stayed where it is which is this is an elite opinion across kind of the right to the liberal of the political spectrum primarily is the entire political spectrum most of the political spectrum on offer but that it is it has become even though the level of media consensus has stayed roughly the same it has become much more politically acceptable and that's not to say that the previously labor leadership was like great about oh god not trans right one of Corbyn's biggest weakness weaknesses

but this current one seems to be actively hostile to them effectively because once again because as Hussain would say were he here everything is posting because MPs have been fucking getting radicalized on twitter and that only ever seems to go in one direction and so once again we are talking about rosy duffield doing some fucking posts and those posts having immediate real world repercussions riley's law i think that's riley's law riley's law once once you start posting transphobia you never post about anything else so i think so don't even do it as a bit because you will get sucked in no matter how ironic you're being so i think like there is there are several layers of of discussion here right there is on the one hand there is the story of one labor mp

who's someone who has had several staffers quit due to alleged transphobia and who sort of herself claims to have a gender critical position and says that oh i'd love trans people to have rights i just don't think they should be able to act on any of them to like actually live in society right that's one level yeah well i mean let's uh let's call things what they are what she's actually did she she tweeted about how she wants trans people to have some of our rights under the equality act taken away and she used explicitly transphobic language to do it and that there's there's this one mp this mp issue has become a party issue where the labor party has in its infinite wisdom decided to formally say they support the equality act as written but emphasized that they also

support the exclusions of the equality act that is to say it seems to be what they have said is correct me if i'm wrong is we want to we number one we don't want to address any of the problems some of the problems that we talked about before we support we support excluding trans women from women only spaces in specific circumstances we're not going to say what those circumstances are but what we are going to do is try and wink in both directions at the same time with both eyes he's stamina he's stamina he's a centrist he sat on the fence he was just like well i welcome trans folks and i welcome the trans people and a debate coming together let's all just come i would encourage them both to go further by never talking to me again because i found it very

stressful i'm trying to write a very long piece of homework and i would appreciate it if everyone could stop bothering me by asking me to have an opinion about things i don't and that's part of my role as the labor leader i don't think anything and most importantly more importantly than that i don't do anything when these are trans sex people but i think we can say like there is this is an individual it's about a party but also it's about britain right because abby as you said right it's health care system depending on who you are it's health care system doesn't work its laws aren't applied its media doesn't tell the truth and it's incapable of serving the needs of its citizens almost like it's not a real country

britain isn't real yeah and as i said to to riley in the notes uh this is a little preview of the next episode of philosophy tube by the way listeners um this reminds me of uh the french philosopher etienne belibar who was one of the early critics of the european union in the early 2000s in particular on the grounds that it was particularly brutal to migrants and he said you have to understand the state exercising its disciplinary muscles in the context of its inability to solve other problems like britain can't make its laws apply it can't care for some of its population in terms of its health care it can't keep the lights on it can't keep pensioners from freezing to death or can it we shall see it can't build nuclear power plants that fucking work

all they can do the only thing that works is the fucking racism button and the transphobia button so they're just like building more and more versions of that button and fucking slamming them because as long as the nation is able to quote respond to threats which means kicking the people we don't like then i guess the party's still going yeah as a government side we can't help you with any of your transgender surgeries but on the upside the country's being plunged into eternal darkness so no one will know except you alas what the simpsons quote yeah yeah the law is um i thought you said the law was powerless yeah powerless to help you not to punish you there we go so uh uh maddie i mean coming from coming from the state sort of i want to know what's your what what's

going on sort of stateside with this same dynamic because it's something we've discussed as very much present in both places and beginning to coalesce around the same things especially because in or in no small reason because the lot of these sort of specifics of the british transphobia movement sort of started out as like evangelical american concepts that they were rapidly adopted by british liberals though boy did they love them yes like what what evangelicals here like to do is that like so evangelical americans are actually a fairly small segment of the actual population of america you know like i don't know the numbers in front of me but they're small i mean it's like a sizable chunk but it is not most people and most of the really wacky do ideas nobody cares about

no one gives a shit about so what they do is they go over the world trying to like implement their little their little get their get their fingers and other people's fucking stews and i guess the the transphobia thing took in england and the homophobia thing took in some african countries where they got like sodomy banned and so i mean but i think it's this interesting thing where it's just sort of like accidentally sort of now because of the the transphobia taking hold and specifically like british academia and the media there there's a lot now of like your american wine moms reading you know um ellen joys book or whatever and being like wait a wait a second now they're sort of like becoming turfed you know like in this way that we didn't have any red

they're getting turfed yeah and like i mean it's the sort of thing we're at the same time only republican psychos really care about this stuff and like you know most republicans really only hold like insane minority positions in america most places where they like their positions are not popular like roe versus wade is going to get overturned in america and less than a third of people want that to happen but it's going to happen because republicans have so effectively captured the government um but i was looking before and it was easier i was looking at a map of america of like the states that currently have anti trans legislation in going through state legislatures and it was easier to count the states that don't have it which is 13 which means 37 states currently

have some anti trans legislation being debated in their legislative bodies texas has 41 bills alone which is a lot of bills and like mostly in america it's manifesting as sports stuff because americans love to play their little games as a as a nation of birthday boys ourselves so it's like you know it's very i think the sort of like entry for turfism here is very much just like fairness in ladies sports which is uh it's it's because it's a it's a way to get regular people to give a shit about it it's like well your your daughter's not going to make the lacrosse team because um someone with the shoulders who are too big is going to get that spot let's just say that your daughter was excluded from the pickleball club julie appearance on a lot of translating now

how would you feel about that um pickleball co-ed milo come on nothing of america come on pickleball is the ultimate non non-binary sport and so like we've one of the things i think we sort of we talk about here right is that it's important to forget it's important to remember not to forget remember not to remember to forget yes remember not to remember to forget don't do what donnie don't doesn't do yeah on this the 20 year and two week anniversary of 9 11 remember not to forget you know uh but that this is as me you're saying matty like this is a wildly unpopular position generally it's just a very popular elite position because rather than engage in what you might call the synthesis mode of um of sort of social uh like sub social management

where you say do things uh all they have left is the discipline mode you say we don't make anything in this country anymore and yet look at all this consent but then on the other hand you have the elites who are like actually i don't want to be a bathroom cop for the rest of my life uh and this comes in like two flavors right there's the isabel oakshaw thing of like this is stopping me from doing more privatization but there's also the sort of like let's say the biden mark milley sort of axis which is like uh well wait a second this is like gonna impact our whole new cold war with china thing if we're busy being bathroom cops you know why we're depriving ourselves of the defensive value of having charlotte climber and the military that kind of thing because it's i think it's also

important to remember right is i think it's it's a popular it is a popular and wrong belief i think on the left that things like this are distractions right there's it is a popular and wrong belief that things like this are distractions and um they're meant to sort of oh they're only sort of taking rights away from trans people because they want to strip essential services from others and i think it's important to think especially like as sort of uh you know trans and gender non-conforming people generally are like literally currently being monstered as dangers to society dangers to their critics uh in in the british press especially and in america i'm a danger to that critic that that effectively um there's it's not a they're they're just taking away essential

services yeah it's just more of the same it's not a distraction to us right and like there's also this thing that you see sometimes where trans people say like oh talking about the equality act talking about exceptions to the equality act is a distraction from the fact that say uh you know i can't get a g-i-c appointment within five years or whatever and it's like well i disagree with that because i think you have to kind of walk and chew gum at the same time right like the sort of like foundational legal principle of am i allowed to get kicked out of places for being trans that's not a distraction for me that is very important for me that that not be a thing uh so you could you could have if this was 15 years ago you could have said the same thing about islamophobia

because there were some muslim women scholars who who made this point that the state was smashing the islamophobia button in the absence of really being able to politically solve terrorism in any like real way by addressing the causes that disenfranchise people um so i mean yeah i understand the temptation to say oh this is just a minor issue but uh it's not and alas there's something that you've said which is that you are canary in a coal mine cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap uh but it's well the canary has stopped cheaping so i assume that means everything's fine thank goodness thank god that canary was really getting on my nerves cheaping away can we stop talking about canaries

so i think like what we can if we want to talk about sort of an example of uh you might say the ideological rubber meeting the road we could go back to um rosy duffield and what she was saying she wants trans women excluded from when this includes uh domestic violence refuges single sex wards school toilets and women's prisons because women need to use prison yeah this is this is like a user of prison this is this is the part that makes me feel worse about doing any harm reduction is putting my fingers together and being like please can you send trans women to women's prisons that's less bad could you do that this is like no this is still terrible this is still a horrifically violent thing but it's like it's sort of an order of magnitude difference

between women's prison and men's prison and it's like i would prefer neither to be honest all these trans women clamoring to be let into women's prison i mean i feel like the prison downstream of like if you just legally recognize trans people as the gender that they are identifying as they'll go to the prison they're supposed to go to like you're like it just doesn't seem like uh a real uh thing that we all need to like coalesce around is getting i don't even try to make it make sense like the nhs would save so much fucking money if they just treated us like everyone else but then right there would there would be a danger to like cis women in prison there wouldn't be and also nobody who says that has ever cared about violence in prisons women or men's before

but there would be even though there wouldn't be and so we have to legislate on that basis so i think the reason i sort of say that this is kind of the point where the veil is thinnest on the ideology is that um well jenny jones the fucking uh like um green party member of the house of lords who ran for mayor of london a while back literally was on twitter saying essentially in the uh the the speedway voice why not like uh surely it's better to have these safeguards than to not have them because just why not and it's like that's not a good enough reason well it's why not because we've because we're sort of expanding the number of people and this is i think sort of why you can see britain as either not real or like a zombie polity because it's just

shambling forward and it can just expand the number of zombies it can just expand its disciplinary and terrifying function because there are continued to be problems created by its inability to say do anything but it only knows how to do one thing which is more discipline and the more a greater extension of discipline i just remember i just remember something yeah absolutely fucking hilarious that is that encapsulates what we've been talking about which is that i have been talking to um the director of one of the nhs gender identity clinics um who uh told me that they have 10 000 people on their waiting list and they get several hundred new referrals every month they are required to treat people within 18 weeks of being referred

but in fact they and every other gender identity clinic in the country is routinely breaking the law and the waiting list is actually estimated to be several decades which goes to show what a minor issue and how few people it affects you know indeed and i i i made this i made this point to him and he said he said well we are working hard to improve the quality of weight and i was like i burst out laughing in this man's face and he seemed quite hurt and i said that's like telling me that you're going to continue kicking me in the face but when i help if i change my shoes and there is literally nobody in the political firmament who's willing to stop the face kicking no quality of weight sounds like a gene race novel you know speaking

about the face kicking stuff i think like other people have said this before but definitely as like a sort of uh younger more evil version of england america's got this going on where it's just sort of like we no longer can do anything that is not the deployment of troops right we can only deploy troops this that you can't even really do that yeah but like the only thing the state can do really is deploy troops and that includes to me cops but like literally until very recently in new york there was a law that was like an anti loitering anti prostitution law a walking world trends and it was called the walking world trans band very colloquially because like it was just a way for police officers to just like harass trans people for standing around

and like that's all we know what to do walking it's a some a jane walking that's right don't tish but we talk like so let's we have our sort of thinking about sort of these things at a polity level right how this is a symptom this is a symptom of a polity in decline it is it is something that happens when there is a narrow wing of political possibilities hmm and also you can think about like the the party level this is you know the this is the labor party deciding that it is going to be in step with what it considers to be because the labor party as an extension of the british state right is deciding it's going to be in line with what it considers to be that sort of overall mission of sort of discipline managing a decline managing

the labor party is so terrified of everything right that seems to sort of define everything it does it's like it can only triangulate all it can do is try and work out what's going to upset the least people like that's and it's it's usually picking the wrong people to not upset but like it's like the idea of like that the labor party could like stand for anything or have any sort of ideas or try and shape public opinion in any way is like that's just gone what i've seen some like labor liberals say is well here solve the anti-semitism crisis i can't wait for him to do this with the transphobia crisis also because we're coming from inside the house you dumbass oh my god remarkable just imagine how happy those people must be to have such perfectly smooth

brains great perfect it's all just it's a it's an organization for solving problems and not a you know that sort of anyway point is right is that if then you go back down to the individual level and you can sort of see how you can see how there's i think a conversation between the sort of people who are you know the you know the the politicians the media people and so on these people who are in conversation through their institutions with the polity level question of what is possible and what ought we to be doing right and you can see how this is such a fantastically not it is a fantastically i think undemocratic and pessimistic impulse right sure i mean the fact that this the state is failing around us does i suppose provide us

with a little bit of a solution um which is i mean purely in the case of trans people listeners you you are the state now that they're not going to provide us with health care they're not going to provide us with shelter they're not going to help us at all so if you can help a trans person do it give us a couch to sleep on if we need it support the stuff we make come and see the shows that we're in fucking like and subscribe not just to me but like donate to trans people's fundraisers if you can provide us with health care if you know how to do that and you know a trans person who needs it then do it open an illegal pharmacy fuck around i can't tell you to do that but yeah but you're also the state so you have to do it in a way that makes a lot of money for one

of boris johnson or my handcuffs friends yeah i'm sorry that's a regulation you can't avoid time as we can get help is to deliver us estrogen and then we need you i mean personally i'm always a little bit suspicious of of sort of like sort of mutual aid discussions whatever but in this case there literally is no possibility to get the state to do it and i think we're sort of in would you say we're sort of in a harm reduction mode at this point yeah it's fucking dallas bias club and like fucking yeah it is you have to cut that but like fucking yeah we'll bleep it that's not even the best one yeah anyway with all that being said um i think uh it's probably about that time for us again time for us to hang up our podcasting hats and uh eat our special little

podcasting lollipops yeah there's special boys every day consecutively yeah everyone's gender in britain is the birthday boy that's right birthday book see birthday book see uh so that's right that being said uh abby maddie it was a delight to have you both on the podcast um mylo and alice better luck next time no abby and maddie a delight to have in class mylo and alice see me after yeah i have your special treats uh to everyone listening thank you so much for listening uh and don't forget there's a patreon five bucks a month second episode a week this week the bonus episode is me reading the highlights of keir starmer's awful piece of homework homework homework to mylo and alice alice and who's saying hate this is coming out on tuesday right yeah

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