TRASHFUTURE - Infernal Theories ft. Grace Lavery

Episode Date: October 26, 2020

Writer and academic Grace Lavery joins the gang to reminisce about our favourite Quibs - but honestly, how could you even pick one? We also discuss how the Tories are very concerned with protecting working class students by fighting imaginary culture wars against "critical theory" while subjecting them to holiday starvation. If you want access to our Patreon bonus episodes and powerful Discord server, sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/trashfuture We support the London Renters Union, which helps people defeat their slumlords and avoid eviction. If you want to support them as well, you can here: https://londonrentersunion.org/donate Here's a central location to donate to bail funds across the US to help people held under America's utterly inhumane system: https://secure.givelively.org/donate/the-bail-project If you want one of our *fine* new shirts, designed by Matt Lubchansky, then e-mail trashfuturepodcast [at] gmail [dot] com. £15 for patrons, £20 for non-patrons, plus shipping. *WEB DESIGN ALERT* Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind GYDS dot com). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/ Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and Alice (@AliceAvizandum)

Extra Extra Meg Whitman and Jeffrey Katzenberg the co-CEO's of the now doomed short form video sharing service quibi are making a joint announcement on the future of the company Hello, welcome back to trash future the podcast you're listening to right now. It is me Riley. I am also seeing Milo Hello, it's me your boy. Um, I'm very I'm very sad about the demise of Of the quibb the quibbs. I've seen quibbs you people wouldn't believe Chrissy Tygan on fire off the shoulder of Ryan Golden arm glinting in the Then the tan house again, that will soon be lost like quibbs in rain That's right with Milo getting 80% of that quote more or less right time to refinancialize

We also have Hussein Hussein What is your favorite quibb that you remember from the high hey days of quibi and how will you be commemorating the company? Well, my favorite show was Chrissy Teaghan's Chrissy's Court So I'm not sure what I'm gonna do without that all I can say is that once again Nancy Pelosi has gotten her own way She's packed Chrissy's court and Yeah, this is this is once again another example of Joe Biden's leftist agenda To get to give more and more power to family courts and away from the true neutral judge of our society Chrissy Teaghan

Yes, and and excited we are for Biden to pack the court with the stars of failed quibi shows And we also have Alice. Yes golden quib. I will be wearing a poppy this November But only in memory of memory only in memory of quibi Fuck the troops. No, this is this is the sacrifice that I care about is there's no more quibbs There's no more quibbs I just got three of these drops I can hit you with the golden arm at any time These days you can't even go to the loo and have a pie in a nonce and watch a quib These days you can't even eat a pie out of a toilet bowl

When I was growing up it would you only could have one it was it was a quibbus then And I think thank you a latin bass Love Latin Don't like it go to mania Yeah, he's coming over here from Cappadocia Yeah, you're fucking when I drink that frothy coffee or whatever It's Mifreda is mob, all right Indians coming over here illegally on boats I

Like my taverner go down the taverner have some garum. Yeah, we don't want you We don't legium. Yeah. Yeah, we're playing China play some bones Some some car Virginia in no bed comes in with fucking elephants said you can't bring them in here The bro flips him the V and he went five what I Got a little shed. Yeah outside the computer line, and I'm like no leaf or gladius It's a big wooden gladius for you say imperial guards. Yeah, we're using a putting down Isini revolt in the Britannia

And we're joined by Professor Academic and author Grace Lavery Lately of this parish grace. Welcome to TF the podcast where we stayed laser focused. Thank you. What's a quib? Play the theme song twice Is Is it an item on on the quibi? Yes. Yes a quick bite and you had like a 10-minute segment of like drama or reality shows or whatever

But the quality of the writing was such that they would be like That was Is yeah, she had a golden prosthetic arm and she wouldn't stop wearing the golden prosthetic arm even though I thought that was from the Frank Sinatra movie. I couldn't remember it. Yeah, the man with the golden arm Which is a great movie obviously No, but we are we are memorializing quibi with our first segment the 2.75 billion dollar company that failed to Revolutionize or as they said rebrand idle time is there the phrase they actually used

that failed to do so because Ultimately, it was founded on the cynicism a combination of cynicism and arrogance Yeah, but you need busting and also the fact that if you do that if you like create your entire company as a way to avoid Writer's Guild pay scales the quality of writing that you get is Very me if my golden are and then he Had it when my company suffers from pulmonary gold disease that's basically what happened But I think it was founded on cynicism and arrogance the cynicism being that people will watch any old shit if it has famous names attached to it and

Also people consumers have the attention spans of gnats So it's got to be like on their phones where they watch their dumb videos and they'll clap like train seals and arrogance of Ignoring all of the data That was sort of contrary to that that had emerged from like people binge watching Netflix shows and stuff over the last several years I actually have a theory about what happened with their assumption about the attention span and how they fucked it because they are Right that nobody has an attention span anymore like I don't have an attention span anymore But you know how you did a 10 minute bit about Latin bars Exactly, but what the way that actually works is I watch an hour-long Netflix show and I'm on my phone the entire time

I refuse to watch TV on my phone then I can't be on my phone have to go on your phone on the TV Exactly, it's impossible. I like that's that's the problem. It's that it's on your phone. Yeah so I've sometimes had the misfortune of Being in a place where my phone had reception but no Wi-Fi and I needed to watch TV on my phone And was reduced to reading old documents that I had saved to my laptop in order to reduce exactly this effect It doesn't it doesn't work. You're quite right Yeah So if I grace what quib do you miss most of their of their fine-bat catalog roll quib rules on this podcast?

I you know, I was actually training myself in I'm trying to be a psychoanalyst right now and it involves some some minor bits of psychopathology Psychopharmacology basic psychiatric training. What I really found was that it was really helpful to get my training in 10 minute anecdotal bites where I could just Learn about somebody's conditions And then I could just go about my day Having learned what a subdural hematoma was but without knowing what a hematoma was or what subdural meant

It's like Chrissy Teigen's Court show except instead of court. It's like medical training. Yeah a guy comes into court He was like, yeah, this guy gave me a subdural hematoma and she's like, right Well, I mean look if I'm just excited to because like the thing is the people who founded quibi They're not going I have more information on this So basically Meg Whitman who is the co-CEO was kind of like a state-level Carly Fiorina She donated five hundred thousand dollars to the Biden victory fund and now consider this one of the co-authors of the like largest

non fraud related company corporate failures in American history it went from 2.75 billion dollar valuation to closed in under like six months that person is now on the shortlist a Republican serial business failure that person is now on the shortlist for Biden's cabinet, and I'm not joking. Awesome It's what we call bipartisan, baby. I mean the Democrats love losers. Mm-hmm. They love them Yeah, no, you want to look at the White House and see the expertise that brought you Chrissy Teigen's court murder house flip Oh, yeah, dish mantel dish mantel the cooking show with a cannon the cooking show that had a cannon wait, what and 50 states of fright which began with Berry me with my golden art. That's what the American people need at this time

Yeah, the secretary of quips. Yeah, they need more that more thing as Gray says more Crucial information needs to be delivered by a quib. Yeah, Meg Whitman is gonna be there to make sure that like, you know, for example when When one of like many Tornado earthquake or wildfire preparedness Messages has to go out That there's a quib for it that people can digest in a short amount of time And that's delivered to them by a famous voice It actually makes sense because when you think about it Joe Biden's dementia is kind of at the stage where it's like the notebook

And he can only understand things for eight minutes at a time So that is the perfect length of time in which to summarize an issue the presidential the presidential morning quib Exactly. Yeah for me to quibble with the quib But is it possible that it's not non-fraud related? I've just done a quick bit of math and it seems to me like they must have spent 1.5 million dollars each day Yeah, it was all golden Expensive a gold armist. I mean, let's maybe they just kept losing the prop or something. Yeah This pile of golden arms. These are all stunt arms. We're gonna go through all of these

Let's say this We I would say the there it's not like there was a great fraud revelation like Enron or something, right? If there is to be a fraud revelation, it will come after the business failed that it not precipitate the failing of the business Which is again that means by she because at least like the Enron executives like they were good at fraud for a while Meg Whitman is good at and Jeffrey Katzenberg are good at nothing. Yeah. Yeah, I think At the boot it'd be amazing to get sued by them if they're like, hey, I'm good at fraud Don't tell me I'm not good at fraud. This is gonna damage my my future career prospects as a fraudster Yeah, but I convince all the other frauds. I'm good at fraud. Yeah, they'll never let me into fraud camp

Exactly any final any final thoughts on on on the quibi introductory section before I move into their frankly delightful Open letter that they wrote announcing their closure. Oh boy. Yeah, I mean I guess like this has I guess like Milo kind of touched on it But it is very much I guess the things that I found out on the one hand is was this just kind of like a giant scam and Was the kind of like finance model in which It seemed to be like it seemed to be from what I read when

Like they like production companies and Hollywood companies like put a lot of money in but they got it out to like produce shows and everything So you're kind of like wondering well, how is the money to actually run this thing? Like yeah, I guess I'll come to your next section the second the second and main thing is like Is the issue down to the fact that they just didn't realize that people like to watch stuff and use their phones at the same time idea but like toilet Watching, you know, when you when we went you we don't want to watch stuff on the toilet We want to post on the toilet, right? We want to say yeah, they they address this question in the open letter Oh my god, okay. Okay, so okay, so I so I will save everything until you read the letter, right?

Okay, and then maybe I'll have like a clearer idea. So an open letter to the employees Alice, can you please yeah commence an Open letter to the employees investors and partners who believed in quibi and made this business possible We started with the idea to create the next generation of storytelling and because of you We were able to create and deliver the best version of what we imagined quibi to be So it is with an incredibly heavy heart that today we are announcing that we are winding down the business Because it's made of gold and looking to sell its content and technology assets, but which are nothing One oh one

There's a buyer for it Do not try to buy the golden arm. Do not we are buying the golden. Oh, someone is buying the golden arm not us Not necessarily us, but do not try and buy it. Oh that person will be buying it. Okay. Uh, can we can I go back to No, no music, please But we did achieve some things they go on Do you want to see Yeah, we gave some really good content. Well, no, remember there was a quibi fancast that was made of someone made a fancast One of the shows and they sued they sued them

Amazing awesome. That's a sign of a company that's going to do well Podcast about quibi and they the only about media outlet talking about quibi on its own terms and they sued them Oh, yeah, just absolutely incredible. Like do not give us publicity you little bitch But we did achieve some things they go on We opened the door to the most creative and imaginative minds in hollywood to innovate from script to screen The result was Honestly, like the golden arm thing was one of the last uncomplicated Remember how we felt my ex-girlfriend never shared

It was pretty much downhill from the golden arm afternoon So the result was the content that exceeded our expectations um Expectations were low We challenged engineers to build a mobile platform that enabled a new form of storytelling No, you didn't you challenged engineers to monetize tiktok Yeah, yeah, the other thing is that revolutionary about the platform. It's just like remember the turnstile thing It's netflix, but it's all eight minutes. I'm also remember the turnstile. You had your phone. You could turn it

But the funny thing is the makers of that company Basically have successfully won back the ip in a lawsuit. So that takes kawaii most of quibi's value Amazing. Um, yes, and they delivered a groundbreaking and delightful service. Again. I must have emphasized I was delighted by it. Yeah, we were fucking delighted. I have to say it was it was the best no money I've ever spent on a free on a free week of watching tv Uh, and we were joined by ten of the most important advertisers in the world who enthusiastically embraced new ways for their brands to tell their stories Yeah, yeah, like big time tommy's Cadillac dealership. Um, no great now grace. You're uh, you're a storyteller a humanities person Um, yeah, uh

You're a human in embracing new ways for brands to tell their stories But people people love brands telling their stories, right? I mean, I think it's something that we really miss in this world, you know So often, uh, I'll be watching tv and I'll just think what's the story behind the brand that is advertising in the breaks of this show That enables the show to exist. What story could be told if we just ignored? uh, relationships between people um I'm just focused instead on pure

Unmitigated propaganda I live fairly close to an enormous pepsi sign and sometimes I just stare at it in wonder for um hours at a time As it was a time across the east river um, there was a time when uh When mr. Muscle was just a jacked guy who was looking for a way to clean his wife's golden arm Yeah, they say with the dedication and commitment of our employees and the support we received from our investors and partners We created a new form of mobile first premium storytelling Uh, okay. Yeah

Um, and yet they go something interesting I don't know why I just want to tell you all my medical anecdotes But I have something funny about storytelling that I learned yesterday Which is that if you suffer long-term alcohol abuse, you can get brain legion lesions That make it impossible to retrieve long-term memories, but in such a way that Uh, the the the mind cannot stop itself from making up a story Uh, which you don't realize isn't true when you're telling the story. It's the symptoms called confabulation. It's called podcast brain It's called confabulation brain legion is something that latin bas has

Oh, yeah, the brain legion That's his um, that's that's his uh, that's his it's like Mensa, but for blokes Well, it's what you just call it table Yeah, one for the real latin heads there, um Kaikili assistant horse though, baby That's right. Um, they say Yes, that's right They go on

Uh with forkifer We created You were trying to do a podcast about quippy and then you just have us three idiots being like, yo, what happened to grumio though? That guy kind of got fucked over Yeah Grumio grumio was a non That was what the name was about. We had a child grumio I don't I don't I don't think we had the same latin text but Greek origin

Um They changed it that elicius island they changed it the elician fields Groomio for a long time, but I just remembered that for some reason I insisted on translating him as as the butler of the house Rather than the cook. Oh, awesome. Um, I thought it was somehow dignifying if he was the butler Yeah, so, um, we're gonna we're I think uh, we're gonna we're gonna park, uh, latin class memories. Yeah No, no, that's the that that is the only podcast thing that we're doing today. Yeah, we're all reminiscing about yo Quintus Oh, yeah

Yo Yeah, my boy quintus Quintu Quintus just john john ralfio I got absolutely run up on by the britanny embarrassing We just learned about gaius who was an agri-cola. Um, I've heard about this bloke right, uh, quintus and he's been a victim of these slag in britannia, right? Yeah, no go zones

Yeah, no go zones in londinia Exactly So, uh, we do this all with uh with dichiopolis as well or is that too deep a cut? Oh greek. We're going we're going athanas day now Yeah, we are. We're not going that way We are we are going to restart this paragraph because it's great So with the dedication and commitment of our employees and the support we receive from investors and partners We created a new form of mobile first premium storytelling quippy outside today premium storytelling, you know, like um the golden arm thing or the

The murder house was a house flip Yeah, um, yeah, that was so good I love murder house flip because at some point in every episode one of the banal presenters would have to go like This person did not deserve to be murdered Like murdering someone is like a fucked up thing to do and I would never do that Just so you know, it was like it was like how jackass had to go like do not try this at home They had to go like do not murder people It's supposed to inspire you to decorate your house not to murder someone in your house

Focus on the house flip not the murder. Exactly. So, uh, they say and yet quippy is not succeeding events developed Not necessarily the quippy's advantage Likely for one of two reasons. Okay reason the first Because the idea itself wasn't strong enough It turns out that possibly what we did was bet everything on a stupid idea Well, it must be reason too because there's no way it can be reason one The pandemic is that people were like it was not People have been watching way less tv and like media generally

People aren't sitting on the bus or queuing up and or shitting in a coffee shop I've gotten in trouble for that before But if you were shitting in a coffee shop, would you really want to watch a 10 minute story? I'm not sure that I would They bet Millions on the idea that you would billions billions with a B on the idea that you would Rishi Sunak begging people to go to Predamon J take a shit and watch quip It's the only way to save the economy and the thing is right There's nothing new that we have to say about quippy. This is purely a victory lap for us

Yeah Our goal when we launched quippy was to create a new category of short form entertainment for mobile devices Although the circumstances were not right for quippy to succeed as a standalone company because it was stupid and terrible Our team achieved much of what we said out to accomplish No Yeah, I don't think we just wanted a podcaster to notice us That was the whole Yeah, that was the whole thing. They're just they're huge hogs and they just want to love it

Uh, they could have judged like at some point there's a pay for access levels. Oh my god Do you think that your hand is bonk or write a song about me? Um Although the circumstances were not right for quippy to succeed We set up we achieved much of what we set out to accomplish and we are Tremendously proud of the award-winning and innovative work that we have produced. What awards did they win? Oh? Oh I can tell you that

Because I looked into it publishes clearinghouse best. Oh, they won emis. What? After risk they won like 10 emis, right? I mean We've had people who have won emis on this show and we're idiots, but like so no So here's what happened. They were nominated for 10 emis and they won. I believe two Okay, but There's a big fucking asterisk next to that number Because remember everything is technically a short and so right they were mostly just quibbs competing against quibbs

Because no one makes tv shorts the fun quibbs And so for example So they were like, yeah, they were just it would be like four or five entries in each given category were quibbs They stacked the court, but with quibbs. And they still mostly didn't win Oh my god Here I have I have this. Um, I have this uh for everyone. Okay Quibi laws because it was it's a digital short so it could also be like a youtube clip that it could lose to Yeah, so quibby is your problem. It's just lost to like nut shot compilations

Yeah, quibby lost out my golden Quibi lost out in the short form comedy or drama category to amc's better call sol employee training miniseries legal ethics with kim wexler awesome Comedy or a drama I think what better call sol at men But was was this a kind of comedy spin-off? I think yeah, I think so

It was like, uh, it was like a web show. It was like a series of web shorts for between each season And um quibi lost since short form comedy or drama series to some web shorts that amc made Amazing awesome. They did win a couple of awards, but it basically Playing t-ball. They hit the ball a couple of times Out of many attempts That rules. I love that. Uh, so yes award winning technically right in the most funny way possible In the most technical way possible quibi participant That's still an award, baby

Yeah, that's right. So back to the letter Over the coming months, we will be working hard to find buyers for these and then Listen carefully to this next word. I'm about to say valuable assets Which are Again one arm one times arm. Yes Uh, what about the sex doll show the show with the sex doll? Oh, yeah, can we buy the sex doll? What are the assets that they have? Do they have like the court bench that Chrissy Teigen was like delivering verdict from?

Well, because that's the thing they don't none of this ip is usable because it's all it's all such small concepts Like how are you gonna buy the ip for the golden arms like quib and then turn that into a series or a movie? What I mean, we're going to Again, how are you going to do that? We are going to do that. We will be doing that. We will be doing that I mean, we would attend all the patreon tier the bonus. Yeah, that's super bonus. You know how a golden arm tier Yeah, so, you know, probably meg whitman when she's biden's commerce secretary is going to decide to screen 50 say States of fright at every national park or something. 50 shades of fries Don't change the group dm. This is porny. Was that about why the porny of the states is frightening or was it about

Sort of very small differences between different degrees. I believe the idea was that it was like a separate horror tale inspired by the folklore of each state in the union Which is very funny to me. If you're trying to find a distinctly like a distinctly road island or a distinctly Galawarian kind of horror Ah, the water fan is stop working. Yeah So we want you to know that we got up every day and genuinely loved coming to work with the most remarkable team Remarkable, I'd say that enough then honestly. Yeah, I mean during pandemic times if you can get up every day, you know

That's better than me, frankly We will be forever proud of the extraordinary partnership We were able to forge between the best of hollywood We'll be forever proud of the golden arm. We forced our husbands to forge and then murdered him We found like the 10 people in hollywood who weren't pedophiles like by definition the best And have made a company. So yeah, not technically the best Crucially not technically the best but morally the best We found the most available people in hollywood who were the most willing to work with us the most

Any jobs on any big films because they're not in on the pedophilia parties where you do the networking. Yeah, of course So all that is left now is to offer a profound apology for disappointing you and for ultimately letting you down We cannot thank you enough for being there with us. We forgive you And for us every step give us the golden arm. Give it to us. Uh, I just got it. I just got it. Okay. I just got a message about the golden arm Oh, yeah Anyway, uh, so that's quippy. Yeah, that's all right. Um, I really would like there to be a situation in which we can somehow Um, just it's just somehow talk about it again I don't think that's back like probably like great numbers these types of people who like run

These failing tech companies will come back with another that company All we can hope to do in the meantime is to obtain Chrissy Teigen's gavel I mean, they they also have like links to like the biden campaign, right? So yeah, make a right So if like biden wins the presidential election Um, we'll definitely see make a new deal federal writers administration again, except it's just for quibbs Right Making him change his name to rance quibbus. So I've heard this word so often in the last, you know, half hour having never heard it once before in my life

Um, it feels like I'm going slightly insane. This is that's that's the tf experience. I'm so sorry. It was amazing But thank you so much for sharing this with me. What a noun. All right. So, um, anyway, let's that's that's that's some dumb bullshit Uh, let's talk about some evil bullshit. Hmm. Oh, okay Because in the uk it's that time again for school holidays. Is it starving children's mess again? And with lockdown happening many poor children who depend on free school meals. So for american listeners Um, you sort one of the ways that you can be marked as in need Is if you're on free school meals like a social program And so that's like a marker of if you grew up with like in poverty is you would have been on free school meals

Um, I think they basically have that in the states too, right? There's like a there's like a poverty threshold where you get free school meals Um, well, I think in here it's much more. I think here. It's like centrally administered. No And so it's a big it's a big thing Uh, and over holiday time people usually don't get them and marcus rashford Who is a footballer with manchester united has been campaigned now successfully campaigned who had free school meals himself as a kid Yes, he's successfully campaigned to get that Extended over the summer break because obviously coronavirus meant like, you know, you people were like locked up and starving because many parents weren't working etc And this was a very easy popular win for the government because it just let them do that

They gave marcus rashford an mbe for this And then they they they kind of like Agreed to to fund the free school meals over the summer and then hey, guess what it's winter break It it happened again. They said, oh no, we agreed to do that for the summer. Those were the summer tories What they were saying was during the summer you get all the food and then like you keep that So, you know, that's your that's the kind of like the stocking period because winter is kind of like best winter Winter is for hibernation and if you've eaten your bread and potatoes And fruit before then that's your own fault

Yeah, it's a it's a valuable I mean, this is probably the mentality about woman on twitter who was talking about like foraging apples, right? What? Yeah, it was like a woman on twitter was like, you don't need free school because uh, well what what before we You don't need free school meals just go scrumping for where you live in 1957 But it's a beautiful verb, isn't it scrumping? I haven't heard that in so long I mean scrumping for quibbies Yeah, so I mean scrumping recording this recording this podcast does make me feel as if i'm filing off edges of my brain sometimes It means it'll be also worth noting but like even if you do kind of like forage for food in like a town or a city

i.e. like you go like dumpster diving or Um, something along both lines. That's a leak like you can get arrested. You'll be arrested You can get arrested and thrown in jail for doing that, especially if you can't afford to And let's just apply some perspective here. It's ludicrous that that's even being discussed Also like supermarkets and stuff will sabotage the food that they throw out like the excess like they will be like Yeah, no, if you work with Tesco, you just you just have to like throw some bleach over these like chicken breasts that you're throwing out I want to finish I want to finish our table setting here Uh, which is that yes, those were the summer Tories. Uh, Boris Johnson had had like you sweet summer Tories had corn rose in

He had his tan. Uh, he was still a little bit drunk from all the Mai ties and public spending only works when it's hot And uh, the fiscal firepower we had then uh, no longer works. Maybe the money printer jammed Um, and so now conservative politicians are basically saying that if the government spends a rounding error to extend free school meals to Children who will otherwise literally be starving like remember the un un high commissioner extreme poverty gave a dire warning of the united kingdom But that basically if the government does that then quant then QE will go off the charts Uh, capitalism will collapse and we'll have another rerun of the 2008 crisis because the government spends between five and 20 million pounds Feeding starving children who have nothing else to do and many of whom are in lockdown

If we if we give tiny Tim a single half of a potato and a heel of bread It will be stagflation all over again. It'll be back to the 70s. What would he learn from that? What would he learn? They're saying that elio gabulous should extend the anona corn doll to children Who aren't working for a living? Why can't they go out scrumping for dormice like I used to do? Um, you ever feel like you have an episode just hijacked by a bit Yes maximus decimus meridius from the arena. Do I feel like that often? There you go. That's but basically right. This is

Essentially the the statement has been um, yes, sorry We cannot uh, it our sit are this wonderful system the best that the that has ever been produced in the world That has been the the the dynamism of the free market this thing that has lifted living standards every year up until 2015 And then we don't have any information after that. Um, of course It is going to fall apart if we create the precedent of not murdering children with neglect It's such an Unforced political like Between this and customs things as brexit approaches

It really does just seem like the tories are like in a don't text mood And just kind of like doing all of the unpopular shit that they don't even really have to do like as you say It would be a rounding error But not even out of any like genuine principle that they like starving children Just because they just don't want to do anything, you know Well, yeah, it's that they um, they they basically can't they campaigned on get brexit done We've got this deal. We're gonna unleash the potential of the uk We're gonna end austerity and then mostly they just haven't done anything

They've just sort of sat in government Uh, and then I wonder if this could have something to do with the prime minister almost dying out of like If you think of what they have done They've basically criminalized a lot more people and then appointed a guy to be the admiral in charge of fighting starving refugees in the english channel Guy admiral that's more or less what they've accomplished And then allowing cops to commit sexual assaults. Hmm. That's basically what they've done. What a good country Yeah, normal

Um, and so I have a few a few of them defending this um, this idea The the obvious one to start with is steve baker who said, uh, turning a blind eye to starving children is wrong Um, and it's wrong to suggest to anyone would but not destroying the currency with quantitative easing is also one of our duties Oh, yeah, it would destroy the currency to feed the starving children. It's the trolley problem Except, uh, the trolley is one track is completely clear and the other track is children Yeah, exactly what it might it would wear down the track if you put it on the other like that would the lever on the trolley Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we need to oil the lever and that oil costs money I think the the idea is of course that if they create a precedent that they're going to feed starving children

They'll always have to feed starving children Then they'll have to keep doing stuff and then if we do stuff you might have to pay for that stuff And then here's the end of the wedge, you know Yeah, doing stuff. What doing stuff is emotional labor and that does include feeding Providing money to uh to make sure children eat So, you know, if we if we on the show are um support mental health and particularly the mental health of uh of of males Um, perhaps we should uh reassess our language when I'm talking about a wealthy businessman

Gave me a full set of tiny furniture intended for jockeys that is worth over 300 pounds Specifically so that I would lobby to make sure that the government doesn't do anything So that is what I will be doing from this tiny chair that I've brought into the house of comments Everyone look everyone's tired Everyone's like lacking productivity. Don't be too hard on yourself. You know, you won't take time for self-care All right, you won't get all your projects done but that's okay 2020 is a bit of a crazy year Yeah, sometimes a few children have to starve in the name of your mental health and that's fine. Um, so, uh We also have tori mp brendan clark smith

Who said of the free school motion? I do not believe in nationalizing children His forehead just growing as he said this Their brendons all have like a powerful high of mind that connects via the forehead some kind of national child service Yeah, I mean, are you nationalized children? I do I do hate to wait. I haven't dropped for this. I forgot that I still had this drop. Would you nationalize sausages? Yeah, that I mean look if you want to like I try not to do this is to try to do the think about how like labor and the conservatives get treated Yeah, but they would have nationalized sausages Yeah, of course, uh, and then there wouldn't be hungry children because they could all eat the sausages because they'd all be made

Oh, do you now we see the edge of the question? Would you nationalize sausages because the tories absolutely will not Yeah, and so the the thing is right if you want to think about how the the press treats the two parties The labor gets asked ridiculous questions as though they are serious And then the conservatives are allowed to say things like I don't believe in nationalizing children Ridiculous statements in 15 years. I'm going to be starving to death in a gusser One of my teeth is going to fall out and I'm just going to remember Would you nationalize sausages and just start laughing like the fucking joker?

What was the context for that? I sort of wish that the context the context of that was um, uh, Angela reyna going on news night. Um, just and was there was no context She was asked out of nowhere. Would you nationalize sausages? Had she mentioned that she especially enjoyed sausages? No No, yeah No, someone in the audience, uh said yeah, but like will you nationalize sausages and then the news I present her Then the news night print. No, it was uh, it was a youth debate. It was a young woman who said that and then

Um, then I believe it was a young bonadina matthews Yeah, um, I can't remember I can't remember who it was Then turned to uh, Angela reyna and asked it as though it was a serious question And again, it is there is there is literally no powerful body person or anyone in this country Who is committed to uh opposing this except for like People like marcus rashford and the people who then like do like marcus rashford the only effective leader of the opposition currently Yeah, effectively marcus rashford has forced the government to do to do something It doesn't want to do already once but kirstenmer then took credit for it

Uh, and if if this if and if hopefully this episode this segment of this episode does not age well I sincerely hope it does not I uh, if you get my meaning Then uh, I then he'll have done it twice I got so pissed off at kirstenmer because the tweet that he did was As the tories were voting to like starve children He was like the tory government have an opportunity to to provide food for some of the most vulnerable in our society uh abstained, I believe and then

um When they voted to do it, which would not have passed without labor and peace. I believe um He tweeted update. They didn't and it was like well, thanks kith. Thanks for the fucking update. Yeah. Oh, yeah Whoever whoever taught you anything about that or are you just like reporting? Are you just like observing and reporting? You know what it is? He got juve to teach him, uh, how to do uh narrator It didn't sake right like At some point like I I realized satire burned out when they got

A human rights lawyer to whip the party to abstain on whether to make all crimes legal if the cops do them But this was the thing that really got me was just like well seems like they've done the bad thing guys You were in parliament You could have said something there at the very least for fuck's sake. You've hair cut Cameron dipshits Alice I have hope of a compromise here I think we can swing the tories to instead of nationalize children do a pfi deal on children Where uh, we do have state funders children, but it's all it's all contracted out to sir co

And then sir co will discover they don't have the necessary children on star And they'll only be they'll only be 10 children in the whole of britain who are all being played by a sir co member of staff and you have to book them in advance so uh Grace I what I mean you you no longer live in the uk, but uh, how does this feel to you in terms of uh reminiscence Well, I'm mostly thinking about tesco's finest pork and apple sausages And whether or not they should be Purchased by the british government and distributed in the united states as part of a kind of

you know, I uh It seems disturbing. I every time I think about the uk and how I have to go back there. I feel more and more afraid Um, it seems like people have gone even weirder than they used to be Um, all of the prions from the 90s finally taking effect Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's like Again children and sausages are in many ways both nationalized, right? They're both the beneficiary of massive government subsidies tax breaks agricultural the agricultural industry would have collapsed or it not for the um

The support of central government. It's difficult to know exactly What is being asked with the question? Would you nationalize sausages? Would you nationalize children? Except for will you take now a stupid position in order that we can kind of Create more stupidity somehow or just like generate stupidity in order to increase our sense of the absurd and um, our generals of disaffection I mean, I think that's like if you want to understand I think what's actually going on on here at like that

Ideological level grace. I think you've kind of hit it on the head Which is that the logic the logic that the ideological proposition this out to an hour The ideological propositions can can be ridiculous because this is just the naked exercise of power And if you and it all tends to go but if you want to look at the Uh, people like to say oh the cruelty is the point the cruelty is the point But that also misses the point Which is that if you're not on free school meals and you're desperate to feed your kid You are very unlikely to say leave your bad job

You're more likely to take another zero hours contract at a work at a worse rate You're more likely to not report your dodgy landlord because you just need stability All of these things that make like the most vulnerable that a increase the number of vulnerable people in society And b make their lives more precarious All basically just benefit it always benefits the wealthy because they are less able to respond They're less able to take to control their own lives and so forth So if you want to know what this is this is basically just another pro employer pro landlord policy And they're doing it by sort of you know spreading the children out on the trolley problem and then breaking off the handle

Yeah Well, I mean I for one am glad that we have decided to sell our children to weather spoons So one more and then I want to go to the final section here, uh, which is ben bradley, uh noted Noted Noted retweeter. Yes. Um Uh, the he said, uh, the government has lots of responsibilities supporting the vulnerable helping people to help themselves balancing the books Helping people to help themselves Helping people to help themselves

Yeah, by starving them. I love to be helped. I'm so hungry and incentivize them to help themselves by removing the means by which they might help themselves Well, then they're hungry and then they start quibby. Yeah, it's this day our daily quib. Yeah Um Extending free school meals to holidays passes responsibility for feeding kids away from the parents to the state. Yes. Yes Yes, that's what it does. Yeah, it does do that, doesn't it? Yeah, because the parents don't have a job because the economy is gone Yeah, does it I don't understand like what I was going to say to these people have a problem with feeding prisoners But they almost certainly do. Yes, all we do like

Like, why should we feed them just because they're in prison can't they work for a living? Yeah, pay for our kindly nicks. I'm it while they're in there I've been burgling before can't he burgle his neighbor One of the bleak um thing that I have learned in in the united states. I once dated Um, someone whose full-time job was decarceration, which is kind of a cool a cool job But um, she would go breaking free for ounce of prison Basically, yeah, she was By how many people she managed to get out of prison

She went by state by state to make cases to governors about decarceration Um, and what she said was you could always make a cost benefit analysis argument to right wing governors And they would sort of you know hear the cost of how much it You know how much it takes to just keep people alive and in absolutely degrading and vile conditions And that might work, but you could almost never persuade a democrat governor Um of anything So she had very very limited success in in sort of the the blue states or the liberal states and did it and did much better In the red states which I found deeply distressing

One of but that kind of doesn't surprise me because like the democrats so they so like bloodlessly believe in the ideology of the system Whereas like most republicans kind of just want a burger and a hand job And if you're prepared to give them a burger and a hand job, they will negotiate with you And I mean if you I think sort of ideologically then like it's it's often sort of sort of tossed off that the sort of uk tories in us much like a republican It's often tossed off that the tories and the democrats are roughly similar And I mean, you know, this is these are things I could very much see a democrat a democrat saying

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. No, I agree. I agree and they say uh That some parents are not good parents ben bradley goes on and prioritize other things ahead of their kids It's a small minority But step out of the pc bubble and come live in the real world. Jesus. Yeah, but how is that the children's fault ben? You fucking idiot. How is that the yeah a lot of people are irresponsible parents? That is true, but that doesn't mean that children should die That's not the outcome that we're looking for there ben

Listen, have you remember the currency if I were a child right and my parents were not Uh prioritizing my welfare not having the money to buy food would simply incentivize me to uh Shop around for a better set of parents on the market Can't these child children simply become chimney sweeps or a gang of pickpockets led by a mysterious jewish man I mean, it's also it's probably also worth bearing in mind that the way that ben bradley who by the way like went as far as I remember went to like quite a expensive private school Like he comes from like quite a wealthy family despite being like a complete like fucking idiot

That's completely fucking unprecedented. That's true. Yeah, that's true. Well, he went he went to a very very elite private school Which means that he's a fucking idiot That's right When he talks about like bad parents, it's kind of like I think about okay. Well like, you know I would kind of argue that like The the sort of upper middle class rich parents that sort of um, really don't like their kids and kind of Uh, but can like afford to at least buy them things in this kind of particular framing like is are considered to be like good uh

Morally morally correct parents. So really what it is is kind of like a very musk off another musk off moment of like Well, if you're if you're poor then you're a bad parent and like that's it I mean because like ultimately it comes down to a view of personal It comes down to a view of personal worth as um, you know, how much how much you can get from capital, obviously But also it's like oh the economy is added is the added up total of how hard everyone works and how much everyone wants it Yeah, exactly. And so like if you're not rich, it's because you don't want it And I mean, obviously that's not true and I feel like we talked about this sort of you know, numerous times, right? Where it's like where this is just this this idea this pernicious idea that will not leave

That will that week that that that was just sticks around again because it is about the naked exercise of power And it's about the naked and it's about and the ineffectual opposition uh to this idea is I throw to this power is that fundamentally the other side I don't know I don't think they they're they have a limit to how far they would extend free school meals as well That there is just a blob of power that basically says Feed some kids sometimes I guess but ultimately they consider as most people basically dispense

Dispendable to expendable from its point of view. Yeah, the dispendables Yeah, that's right. So uh before we I want to sort of close out just on a on a little discussion of one more development A little bit of a this is a little bit of a parliamentary episode really um, but uh lawmakers in the uk and us have taken aim uh at basically something called Uh, uh, various kinds of critical theory and that's just dressed up as gender theory or more recently critical race theory or whatever Uh, and essentially what has happened is Over the course of about 40 years of culture war Um, yeah spiked has been allowed to write social policy largely for schools

So uh grace as you're an academic, right? I didn't tell us a little bit hd in literary theory Can you tell us a little bit about what this is and why what will you be retraining as grace? Now i'm running the re-education camps. Um the Uh, what what what can I say about what it is? Uh, you're basically speaking. I think it's it's uh, It's an umbrella term that the right uses to demonize to At least two but the two main, um developments in humanities in the united states especially since the 1980s one of which is the rise of continental philosophy and its displacement of

Uh, analytical philosophy which was contested at the time Not just by the kind of liberals and writers but also by some leftist academics, especially in the uk so that was kind of complicated um, and then the other was the 80s and 90s and still to the present emergence of Uh, what it now called the studies movements, uh, african-american studies, asian-american studies, which started in the 70s um And now queer studies which started around the 80s trans studies is still emerging if it will ever exist, which i sort of doubt Um, it's all on tumblr and it's mostly about like canceling people for having an age gap of more than six months

Well, as yeah, exactly And as the as one of the editors of transgender studies quarterly one of the in fact the only academic journal peer reviewed in trans studies I I have my own feelings about tumblr. I feel sort of like conflicted about tumblr Anyway, so it's those two things the emergence of a kind of left continental mode of philosophical critique with the co-emergence of a Focus on studies of communities literatures and cultures

previously marginalized within the the kind of major canonical histories of western literatures cultures and other kinds of cultural phenomena Um, and the reason why I wanted to sort of separate that into two things is because actually those two things If one is ignoring the kind of rabid race-baiting on the right, which is threatening to take up more and more space there are internecine conflicts between those two positions that um, often generate or reproduce the kind of wider macro structure

But that's that's basically what we're talking about. I think Now and the thing is right how this why this matters Is that every because the the right in general especially always needs to portray itself as insurgent or rather It has had to do that since sort of the 1990s and and the sort of a kind of liberal cultural hegemony It has managed to portray itself as insurgent and points out its enemies which are university professors

and uh, sick coastal sickos Yeah, and coastal sickos all went to university where they got weirded out by university professors Because they took any number of what are then also talked about as waste of time non stem glasses Graven studies, you know, yeah, so but so there's two sort of lines of attack here There's the uh, like the there's the line of attack of if it's not in a multivariate regression. It can't be known And then there's the line of attack of you're undermining the nation And it's very interesting how I think a lot of a lot of people who talk like this People like a noted bibliophage Matthew Goodwin

Noted bibliophage Are able to um, they are able to kind of flit sort of quite Seamlessly back and forth between those two lines of attack on on twister, right? Like he's no, I think one of them Different. Is he? Yeah, pullprop steve is different from Matthew Goodwin. Oh, Christ. Matthew Goodwin is MJ Goodwin Yeah, well, well that destroys my point. So ignore me. Ignore me. It's very similar um So Matthew Goodwin is the basically a Politics professor at the University of Kent who sort of set himself up as a kind of like white working class populist whisperer

He's like, I'm going to tell you why for why they all love forage so much Basically, that's his thing and ironically now he's going to be in the lorry park I mean, I mean like when you like show your ass by eating your book on live tv I feel like the only way to rebrand yourself is by sort of like leaning into the worst of your reactionary tendencies Shit it out on live tv as well. No, he shitted out before he ate it. Oh, okay um So he basically says that these white working class communities like outside of london face quote-unquote a status deficit As the national conversation has become much more consumed with other groups in society and he didn't just say this in a column

He said this in front of the education select committee in the house of commons Who's now looking at changing things like curriculum requirements? Right, which leads you therefore to uh to kemi badenok saying that teaching Uh white privilege as uncontested fact is illegal. Yes, it is so but and what I find very unless you're a cop Then you can do it That's our intro around this. We just every academic every like Studies movement academic has to like infiltrate the police become a police officer And then simply teach the way they want to and be like actually it's fine because it was for investigatory purposes

So yeah, because then you get when they get the cop coming into school Instead of like how it used to be where the cop would just tell you about how if you ever shoplift They will literally throw you in a cell and they don't care if you're seven and yes, you will cry Um, and then now it's just the cop comes in and he goes by the way It's quite a lot of you know structural racial problems I'm allowed to tell you this because I'm all of my best theory from cops Yeah, so wait basically what we're saying is that the only what the only way that you're going to I'll be able to By the way, no one was doing this no one was teaching critical race theory in elementary schools

No, absolutely not But the only way that you're going to be able to do that in theory now is with some kind of an infernal affairs setup Yeah, absolutely. It's like 21 jump street You come to your school Kicked like flying kicks the door down and explain Intersectionality to the preschoolers The US universities and colleges often have their own police forces, which is pretty fucked up Um, we can't and cop woke edition. Yeah, essentially what if we made the whole university out of the police department?

Yeah What are your pronouns and how do you say them? Uh, so professor goodwin goes on My fear now with the onset of new terms toxic masculinity white privilege That these will become even more of a problem as we send a signal to white working-class white communities that they're a problem Eight new terms simple as It's not the system more generally that has let them down They are the problem and they should make amends for simply being who they are now

We've talked before about how that stuff means. Well, they talked before about right-wing self-talk, right? How laurence fox got himself like in a heap of legal trouble because He blocked me on twitter. Can I just say that? Sorry? Oh, yeah, go for it I don't know why he blocked me on twitter. I've never had any contact with the man But I just uh, I was trying to explain who he was to danie the other day and my husband and uh, he blocked me Ah Yeah, I was really proud And you were enjoying his music as well. I know I was I found him on youtube. I found it very moving

We we we all love his song that's actually titled they want to murder your opinion Yeah, it was it was so real so soulful A real song that's actually called that but remember how that whole thing is like right-wing self-talk I don't think the As far as I'm I'm aware. I don't think that any anyone is um, I don't think like uh, uh, uh Like stewart hall is saying that you know, you have to go into um, you know I got a classroom in a deprived area of linkinshire and sort of

Force all of the young men to go in like seven-year-old boys to go engage in like A sort of self-criticism session. I am I personally am leading the struggle sessions in Workington where I will make you apologize to me for being white even though I too am white Yeah, that's right and the idea right that Doesn't matter that none of this is the case. That's not saying that would happen in a management consulting firm Not in a school. It doesn't it doesn't matter that none of this is it doesn't matter that's not the case It's that this have there has been a a level of right-wing self-talk about this stuff That they've all just told themselves what it is and they all basically scare themselves by reading the times and spiked all the time that like

A generation of young boys is being made to like do a yeah malice struggle session every day just for the crime of being white Which again is not happening. Yeah, and he's supposed to learn a periodic table and now he's got to learn 50 genders as well Where's he gonna have time for that? I don't know why the roman guy is now in the modern era Sorry, what is that grace? I have a titillating anecdote about spike.com if you're in the market, please I am always our baby. So um andrew doyle. You know who andrew doyle is i presume. Oh, do we ever? Yeah, if we use behind the coolest coolest guy, I know Coolest guy the comic stylings of titanum agraf. He's a funny guy

Um, yeah, he's a barrel of laughs that guy Um, and he was in fact my undergraduate cheetah at wadham college oxford And he was at that time writing a dissertation which was you know, very much about The kinds of like nonsense that we're now seeing from people Like the the the bibliophage It was very much like fico was a cultist. You know, this makes sense. It was very committed to sort of um old school thompsonian dogma and arguments that trotskyist had with each other in the 60s. It was all quite um

Boring even then but he was he was also quite sweet and and back in the day This is the thing that is maybe a little more difficult to believe. He was genuinely quite cute um, he had a sort of beautifully sort of twinkly blue eyes and He wasn't out to his parents and I was I found that sort of delightful as well And um, you know, I guess I guess we just we got on pretty well and we started I wouldn't we didn't we never you know, he didn't cross any lines that would but but we we definitely like had tutorials in my bedroom and We did we definitely did things like yeah He would he would come into my bedroom and tell me about shakespeare and I'd take him out for a drink

Highlose on the the cowley road and then lambast him about About his not being out to his parents and tell him that he was a coward and he used to he used to really enjoy that and Anyway, I don't know. I just think about that sometimes because uh, you know, he has this He has this idea of university professors that he that comes out of sort of brainwashing Anyway, you know, you can fill it in yourself. I suppose that was before he was unleashed memories of him the truth of the matter is I'm genuinely quite sad about what's happened to him because um, when I I tried to interact with him on facebook when I realized that titanium

McGrath was him a couple of years ago And I sent him a message saying I don't know if you remember me. We used to have this kind of friendship And he came back with I mean, you know, I really try to be as open-minded as I can when I when I'm engaging people who might disagree with and Um, he just sounded like a fucking idiot He sounded just like someone who had had a party line stuffed so far deep inside The throat that they couldn't, you know, get anything Brainworms the brain worms are barely even a joke at this point

And I think like grace really hits on the nail with the hits the nail on the head, which is Um, that all of this is not there is no kind of I disagree with like the notion that Um, these guys are like who are kind of uh going after critical race theory But also before we're going after everything that range from like gender theory to uh, like post like post modernism was like another thing A lot of this is like encapsulated by like the james lindsay's and the helen pluck raises of the world Um, but all of this really comes down to like getting mad online about posts all the time and getting so addicted to posting That you kind of like believe the real world is posting and but you have no opportunity But to get mad at and what's happened is that with the with the critical race theory stuff

What what is really happy because I think riley mentioned it I don't know any school that actually had a comprehensive like teaching program on critical race theory Um, the university that i'm at at the moment They have like a four week module on critical race theory of which the last week is also argument against uh, like the key called the cortex of uh, of uh, of uh, of crt Um, and like this wasn't mandated. This was just part of the course. So like crt is like a really marginal field of study even in kind of like established universities with like literature and philosophy programs and stuff like that

What this was was like moral panic that developed pretty much entirely online Got into the brains of people who like have nothing interesting to say about like brexit Don't really want to do the trump stuff. Don't really have that anything that interesting to say about covet 19 So they've just like made up this bullshit, but they kind of coalesce around this bullshit Yeah, well like I I I think not to keep gassing up riley here But I think one of the more perceptive things I've heard said about transphobia was one of yours, which was That once you're like that you will never post normally again And I I think that's absolutely the kind of the process of radicalization that we're seeing here too

It's just like these guys might have been quite nice Once and then they they they just got this way and now they're just doing this And those are just the stream my chances is so that you know, they walk among us Yeah, and the thing is right if you want to think about what What what if you I think the key the key point here right or one of the many key points Is that one of the core components of fascism is to assume is to as your enemy is both laughably weak and uh very and very um and very easily dominated and kind of a pussy But also terrifying and overwhelming and it's threatening to your civilization and these two things

Are held in the mind at once without contradiction because The only necessary thing is that the the force must always be moving there must always be combat And I mean look, we're not we're not sort of there in the quite in the literal sense obviously like there is We are but in this very sort of Managed diffuse way, but the attitude is present in how this the idea about Critic these these sort of quite esoteric forms of academic study that have become more mainstream in the last like several years but as they well should have um because

And but that that that viewpoint is there because It's just the next front and there will always be another front. There will never be a last front ever Um Because the the the prize for the prize for winning your prize for victory in the culture war if you're the conservatives And you've just banned critical race theory from schools or whatever as you get to find the next thing that you're going to ban Until everyone lives in a drawing again and ironically the amount of critical race theory taught in school stays exactly the same Look, you get a lot of followers, right? You get a lot of followers from like finding more and more stuff to get mad at

And then you can get mad at having lots of followers because you don't have as many as marcus rashford Who quote tweets you saying hey? Maybe you should like feed starving kids and then you quote tweeting back saying Oh, well you have like over a million followers and I only have 950,000 so actually you're cyber bullying me and again like one of the one of the more like Perceptive tweets is again just a drill joke about jokes banned by 2020 sex banned by 2025 a cop in every house by 2030 But if you want you could integrate the the the the meals one who lets you do crimes They could they could integrate the meals thing in this thing quite easily which is

Which is they are the interest in the performance of like white working-class boys at school Is only of interest to the tories so long as they can you they can say? Oh, what we're going to do actually is we're going to we're going to ban anything that says That as a fact that say written historically has like Aided that the British Empire was bad because it was white supremacist You can't say that anymore because you have to propose propose an opposing view and basically right I kind of see this as

And I I welcome challenge on this anyway as well, but I see this as a kind of Beginning to bring back section 28 by the back door where just for American listeners section 28 was the rule that you could not Quote promote or approve of being gay in British schools as a pretended family lifestyle Or is a pretended alternative to the family? I can't remember exactly how it was. It was pretended family lifestyle Yeah, but you but you can't you couldn't do that and it was repealed in about in the late 90s But now what's happening is with two thousand in scotland All right, but with the spikedification of like of you could say British cultural policy Because now the idea is you cannot criticize white people

It goes from or you cannot criticize like Um, you cannot you cannot criticize like uh cisgendered people because all trans ideologies coming in or whatever What that's doing is it's basically doing a kind of reverse section 28 where instead of saying Oh, we're not banning talking about it being like trans or whatever We're just saying you can't do anything that might hurt the feelings of very sensitive cisgendered people I keep going on about trans alpine go, but what about cis alpine go? Two real places. Yeah, sorry. Grace you were saying No, I was really enjoying the cis alpine joke

I was always making the point that you know, it's it's a little annoying that we we have cis we have trans as the term Since the opposite of of cis should be ultra and it only makes sense to have cis and trans when When when when one is talking about the alps But in most situations one would actually want to use ultra and I would much prefer to be an ultra sexual Right, but there are there are another there are another sort of like sort of points here as well You can look at logically one is one is that um the what we're looking at is like the the british university and a group of pupils like a favored white working class group how boys white working class boys aren't progressing to university, but

What at what point what point in the past is that being compared to because modern british university was sort of codified as it was in what 1997 look the Sentimental appeal to an imagined past is one half of fascism You just you got to have it and the other half is the like Revolutionary futurist tendency and we kind of also have that but we're kind of wasting for that other shoe to drop anyway I'm sure it's gonna be when it was still London. I mean it was also like a decade where you had like government and oppositions Basically saying that like white working class kids were being forced into university

um And we're forced to take on like all the especially with like the student loans and everything And that they should be doing like apprenticeships and stuff instead, right? So like after a decade of this being Uh this being drilled in but like and by government ministers and by like ng like uh like quangos and stuff But like universities are not places where like white working class kids should go to All of a sudden now like this is the fault of the social justice left Because they're too busy like they don't talk about how great like the food was an amaranth star during the uh during the uh During the sacking

Yeah, but and also right when um when for example, it's very easy to hear when non-white kids enter performance school It's the fault of non-white culture and when white kids enter performance school It's the fault of what non-white academia. It seems like at nope. It's it's also the fault of non-white culture for some reason It's interesting and and and when when you get beyond all of that culture stuff It just you again you get back to the naked exercise of power On behalf of an imaginary group whose needs are constantly shifting but perfectly aligned with those of Morris's, I mean, what is it like? It in groups who the law protects but doesn't bind and out groups who the law binds but doesn't protect

Yeah, but the law can teach them about critical race theory. So that's at least something I'm so into this idea of simply becoming a cop in order to teach left-wing theory Entryism on the one hand and surely abduction and brainwashing on the other Yeah, we've been and against the police. Yeah, so uh, so basically I I think this is something that I'm she joke Please clap Enjoyed that. So this is something I think I I'd like to continue talking about more I think it's worth exploring because I think it's something that that also is be a site of resistance from teachers unions And so on we need to do a proper academia episode. We need to have you back on grace. I'd be delighted. Yes

This is this is not the last time. Um, you will hear us talk about this subject I'd also I because like critical race theory is also so In the fore here, not just critical theory in general I I think I also I would like to talk about like to some like critical race theory academics as well And so like we're there's going to be more of this coming. Um, anyway trash you have bodies and spaces Yeah, well, but trash is in futures bodies bodies in spaces, but under I like at least I hope to think Understanding them in the context of the exercise of material power and not just treating and not just thinking about them in themselves Uh, which I think is a waste of time. Uh, so anyway, uh, I wanted to say number one

I think we've been going for a while here. I want to say thank you very much to uh grace our guest who might have a little Oh, yes, I should have fucking written a plug. Thank you so much. This has been so much fun Um, I've written a book. It's called please miss. I think it'll be coming out in early 2022. Um and it's going to be a memoir of gender transition and alcohol and drug recovery Those kinds of things, but it's also just mostly a series of pornographic jokes Again, this is this is why we had to have you on this is just like the synchronicity here. Yeah Um, and also to thank you the listener for you the listening

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I think that's about all all the plugs unless we want to do side side projects 10k posts while there's your problem Yeah, the russian podcast milo does. Yeah, come listen to the russian podcast. It's called too much You can watch it on youtube. Do you speak russian? Yeah, listen to the russian podcast Do you not speak russian? Listen to it anyway and be baffled Yeah, actually the this week's one is really good because we interviewed the russia's only openly gay tv comedian Who's a cool and interesting guy? He's also from bellarus and we talked a lot about the bellarus stuff. Oh, very fun. Anyway, uh, I think that's it for for us today Uh, see you on the bonus episode in a couple days later. Bye. Bye. Bye

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