TRASHFUTURE - Information Flamewar-fare

Episode Date: January 30, 2024

This week, we’re talking about a terrible surveillance startup, an anti-DEI Ackman guy running to primary Joe Biden (he also sucks), and the recent news that the Israeli government is using what you might call Combat Tweetdeck to try to suppress or overwhelm all the negative attention it’s getting from… things that its own soldiers share on social media. Call it the ‘posting through it’ school of warfare. If you want access to our Patreon bonus episodes, early releases of free episodes, and powerful Discord server, sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/trashfuture *STREAM ALERT* Check out our Twitch stream, which airs 9-11 pm UK time every Monday and Thursday, at the following link: https://www.twitch.tv/trashfuturepodcast *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s upcoming live shows here: https://www.miloedwards.co.uk/live-shows *WEB DESIGN ALERT* Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/ Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and Alice (@AliceAvizandum)

Hi everyone, welcome to this episode of TF. It's the free one. That's not Milo saying it's the free one. No, in an alarmingly sexual voice. It's just me and my normal, not alarmingly sexual voice. Although's just me and my normal not alarmingly sexual voice Mm-hmm. Although I do have a slight cold so like it's a little bit husky and a little bit basic It's like it's the free one. Let me try in my best sexual voice. Please. It's it's it's it's it's it's the free one Pretty good. It's the free one. Yeah, that's right. You've heard it nine or ten times. It is indeed the free one.

And that's your money. Well, yeah, we usually do that at the end, but you know, there's a Patreon, five dollars a month. No, no, no. Let's let's do the show, everybody. We got we got a classic set of things. We got news. I found I found the easiest startup to like break down and

Present and it's just it's like someone started the company Well, they started it to make money, but it feels like they started it for us. Hmm. Perfect. But first but first I'd like to add another folio to our our book another another folio to our bookshelf of to our book, another folio to our bookshelf of Rishi Sudak showing us what a Ron DeSantis presidency and general election campaign would have been like. Yeah. I mean, it's an interesting comparison. They are both kind of like similarly rizzless people, you know? Well, they are so weirdly insecure. So there was this.

I think this is a perfect example of that. There was this sort of little to do. I mean, the things like, you know, keeping an eye on of no sort of real significance, but sort of just what a window into this sort of degraded life of Sunak as not living as a billionaire, but instead having to be an MP and Prime Minister. I mean, to be fair, he chose to do this, you know, in pursuit of being the head of government of the United Kingdom, not a fun country to be the head of government of, but in pursuit of that power, he chose to like have to live here and not live like a billionaire, but

instead live like a senior politician. So Rishi Sunak has, as part of his campaign, he's in campaign mode, the conservatives put up this website where you could basically get a personal video from the prime minister by providing your contact details. So like Riley Quinn and revealing... Hello, Alice, you're so good at turning me on. when and revealing Alice, you're so good at turning me on. Then revealing whether the NHS, the economy or immigration is your priority. And then, you know, Rishi priorities, none of those three, you know, I want them in the booth, recording a sort of Baldur's Gate to level of voice lines.

What if it I mean, I mean, what if what if like your main issue is the bins and you find that your prime minister, what if your Prime Minister doesn't care about your bins? I've become one of these people because recently one of my bin lids got stolen or got taken away. JG – Fuck, Jesus. Okay. We need to triple the Met's funding. CK – And all of a sudden, I realize, number one, I do want the police with the machine guns to come to my pocket of the London suburbs. But also, I do want a personalized message from the Prime Minister saying that he cares about my bins and will tackle the problem. JG Well, I think that Rishi Sunak is like three unfavorable polls away from being like, I will make whatever video you want.

KM I will, like Rishi Sunak will go on cameo and he will, yeah, he will just say whatever you want. Rishi Sunak will ride the Bang Bus. He'll get into the fake taxi, please vote for him. Basically, so then- Bang campaign bus, thank you. Bang battle bus! There we go. All right, sometimes it takes two. But yeah, the Bang battle bus is going to drive to every constituency under threat, which is most of them. And R Bang Battle Bus is going to drive to every constituency under threat, which is

most of them. And Rishi Sunak is going to get backshots in a way that reassures Vosers that he cares about their priorities. I've come to, I've come to Reading to do the crazy monkey. Guys, I'm going to ride the Sibian. You know, so what what they did right is they had this thing where you could basically get a very limited sort of like like how, you know, like a like a preschool game might be limited version of a cameo. Oh, they did like a sort of full motion video,

like choose your own adventure Rishi Sunak thing. Choose your own Sunak. Yeah. And so the system then shows a video of the Prime Minister addressing you directly. like choose your own adventure Rishi Sunak thing. Choose your own Sunak. And so the system then shows a video of the Prime Minister addressing you directly. And so Sunak would have had to put on his quarter zip, sit down in the house in Yorkshire he never goes to, and then say, hi, Simon, I'm concerned about the NHS too. And then it shows like, you know, things like the Simon times,

right, the NHS solved, you I get completely baffling just Totally toadie-ing who's vote would have been swayed off of that What kind of kind like seal-brained imbecile would watch this and be like that's my name He said the name that I have so I should I should vote for him now But of course right and this is sort of where the DeSantis comparison came from me. I mean, this is the other thing too, is that like the other end of that is if you're already commissioning a video from Rishi Sunak, if you're messaging Rishi Sunak that's like, could I get two photos of you fixing the NHS, one with your panties pulled to the side,

you're already gonna fucking vote for him because you're like invested in that too much. Unless he's like reaching out and like depositing those videos and like sort of like a broad away, then this is just weird fan service. So I think you're meant to put them on social media and be like, wow, the Prime Minister said to promise me he's going to fix the NHS. So of course, this is where the, there are the disantist comparison comes in though, which is Guido Fox then signed up as Nigel Farage. So it says the Farah, hi Nigel, I too think immigration is too high. The Farage times, blah, blah, blah. Right. Very funny. Yeah. Good. But then it's number one, how do you not notice that? But number two, that is just the dynamic of Ron DeSantis

of being constantly bounced into. Conked and owned, yeah. Yeah, because basically the whole Tory party has always said to Nigel Farage, we please join the Tory party. We would welcome you in the Tory party for the love of God We'll do anything you want and then it's just being pranked by a newsletter

Essentially right by a sort of right-wing blogger I'm gonna I'm gonna sort of refine the point here a bit because I don't think this is DeSantis so much as this is Jeb Bush shit, you know So I think he's a it's not a perfect comparison, but the reason I talk about the DeSantis thing is that this is someone who is desperate for your support and will do anything on the internet to get it. And who lives on the internet, who responds to everything from the internet, who can be bounced into any... I think that the whole Rwanda thing becoming a... I think that the whole Rwanda thing becoming a,

the whole sort of plan, right? To crack down on immigration so much that you're breaking international law, that you're breaking the UK's treaty commitments to say nothing of the, I'd say, human costs imposed of it, just from the perspective of the people who think that those are the most important things, right? You're doing that because you're chasing sort of irrelevances or former irrelevances like Leigh Anderson or like any of the other ERG people

or just fucking groipers on the internet, you know? And I think that is the dissentous thing of being like based Kekestani 1488 is going to love me and vote for me and that's going to swing things my way providing I'm, you know, sort of debased myself enough. Not the issue that I have, but the sort of minor disagreement I have with the DeSantis thing is that it kind of, it feels like with DeSantis, from what, like, and bearing in mind, I didn't pay attention to him for like a while. So this is based on the very little that I know about him. Like DeSantis very much sort of went in on a culture war first thing. And it may have worked like on a state level, but what he sort of went in on a culture war first thing. And it may have worked on a state level, but what he

sort of finds out is that when you sort of expand it beyond these very kind of minor state-related issues, it doesn't quite work. But with Sunak, I don't think... The thing with Sunak is that he never really wanted to do that. He's sort of taken over the Tory party, which is, I imagine, something that he's kind of wanted to do purely for like the reasons of his CV more than anything else. And so he kind of thinks that like, okay, he can sort of get away with the technocratic management, you know, things ticking along just as the way that they are, only to like have taken over the Tory party when everything has basically gone to shit and they're going insane. And so he now has to kind of like capitulate to the most insane people, both in his party and like whatever is left of the people supporting him. And what you can see

throughout is that he's just not convinced by any of it. And I feel like if you're gonna do, if you're gonna do something like that, especially if you're gonna do it on like a highly personalized level, you've at least got to like pretend that you're sort of like you're convinced by it. No, he just wants to get out of here. He just wants to do the like get done with it, be an ex-prime minister, go to California. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's that's this is the you're right. DeSantis is a much more enthusiastic culture warrior than Sunak. Sunak was bounced again, bounced into it, but just the propensity to be bounced into stuff by opponents who you're trying to suck up to and also hate you is very amusing.

I'm looking forward to when Keir Starmer has to do this for a much longer period. At least with Riti Sunak, like various sort of like an end game approaching, right? Like he doesn't have to debase himself for that long. But like Kirstarmer is entering this like for the long haul and he's gonna really have to sort of kind of capitulate to the worst fucking tendencies of these people. And I'm both horrified, but extremely excited

for how he's gonna handle this. Let's see what like ninja weapon he bans next. For listeners in the States who might not have seen this, Kirstarmer has come out on a full throated ban on ninja swords. Ninja swords really the really pressing information. And my question is how are you going to enforce that? How are you going to find them? That's right. You know, they're...

The Shogun has ordered a sword hunt, you know, to bring an end to the warring states period well and truly and unify the country. And that's going to be fine. It's going to work perfectly. How are you going to find the Ninjas to arrest? Because most of them are just moving the scenery in the play? They're not actually imagining imagining Stam as a kind of like Tokugawa like figure is very funny, you know,

just like he's come out the end of this like three way factional war, you know, and was was lucky enough to stay out of the invasion of Korea, which I guess is Brexit here And and now his reward is become obsessed with ninja swords I've got 30 Dutch cannon that I'm going to you No, the look at this is but it's I think it's like it's similar Corbin Odin of Naga then sorry I'm not I'm not gonna just do this for the rest of the episode, but it is tempting. Yeah. Why not shouldn't have attacked those monasteries No, the but this is again like this is Someone who is consistently not saying that Starmer has to be bounced into any kind of like cruel or authoritarian position or-

No, it's instinctive for him. It's instinctive, but which cruel and authoritarian position he does go into is kind of a bounce that, yeah, again, responding to people being less safe in Britain for we all know fucking why, being like, well, we're going to ban more kinds of sword, which we were talking about this earlier, Alice. really what that has been is an expansion of police

power to go into your house and take your kitchen knives if they want to yeah I mean this is the thing that sends me like properly like civil libertarian is knife law in the UK is absolutely incoherent and the thing is right we have to take this as a kind of the thing is right we have to take this as a kind of Failure of every other possible policy. We can't do any of the stuff that we know alleviates crime and alleviates violent crime like for instance alleviating poverty Or like anything else good to build social cohesion

Now we can't even do the stuff that we know doesn't work like more cops or stop and frisk because that costs money, too So all we can do is give the five cops who are left more powers to like take your nail scissors away. And it just kind of it's at a point now where we're so focused on whatever kind of like ninja swords, zombie knife bullshit, instead of any of the material reasons why people are more likely to commit crime, that it just kind of profoundly depresses me apart from anything else. Surely like a better approach would be to like train

your own sort of like elite samurai unit to take on the ninja swords. I think the NET police should hire some Ronan, yes. What you need to do, right, clearly, is you take the people who are best at doing knife crime, you make them cops in the anti-knife crime unit, because clearly, you know, you're taking the sort of best swordsman off the street, and you sort of bring them inside the imperial fold.

You know what you've just proposed the formation of? You've just proposed the formation of the British Shinsengumi. Yeah, let's do it. Or you just need like one guy who's like modeled on like guts from Berserk, like the dark sword, like the black swordsman. And every and like the black swordsman job is to just go around London with his giant sword to take out everyone with like the zombie knives. Yeah. And he becomes like a legend, right?

So it's just like, you know, it's not even like the elite unit. You solve the crimes by like building up the mythology of the black swordsman who roams around Whitechapel. Alright, well, we've solved knife crime, which is pretty good for the first 15 minutes of the episode. The only way to solve knife crime, which is pretty good for the first 15 minutes of the episode. The only way to solve knife crime is with knife law. You're a knife cop. The knife's cop. This is it. This is it. I'm like half serious. Like you need to bring honour back into knife, like into knife wielding.

And if there is a sense of honour, then at the very, you know, you can sort of minimize the sort of, yeah, you can, you can minimize it by turning it into a noble art of which like various like a gentleman's code to doing. You're not actually right. It's like mostly it's just this new phrase that, you know, everyone's using, but it's not right. Social cohesion, right? Like there are tons of societies where fucking everyone has knives, where the knife crime rate is significantly lower because people don't want to stab each other because their lives are, you know, more consistent and coherent and better in that way, you know, if to embrace Finnish mentality where the knife crime rate drops precipitously and the suicide rate goes up hugely, you know, you can carry a knife around but you do have to have depression. It's either that or have a second Ikadaya in incident in Whitechapel. Yeah, let's do it. So anyway, anyway, I want to move on, though.

I want to talk about one new friend who's associating with some old friends. So now, a prelude to this, as you know, we do not talk directly about American politics, unless it is a useful comparator case for something else, or people who are familiar with in other ways are getting directly involved. So bearing that in mind, having done a little bit of the former, it's now time to do a little bit of the latter. Because DeSantis Out isn't the only sort of relevant US primary season comparator for us to talk to. Who do we know in US primaries right now? Well, so we don't know Dean Phillips yet, but Dean Phillips knows some of our friends. Well, any friend of our friend is a friend,

you know, that classic saying expressed as elegantly as possible You know if Dean Phillips is willing to draw the sword for the Met Police Shogun, then he is welcome in my Yeah, Dean Phillips is sort of like in our like extended clan network now. Yes, you know He's not one of our retainers, but our retainers know him. So he's a bannerman, he's an ally. So our retainers, Bill Ackman, Elon Musk, and Jason Calcanus, are all friends. Oh, that's a fucking powerful triad of samurai right there. They are some of the greatest mind samurai that we have access to. Of those, how many do you think own a Katana for real?

And why is the answer 100%? It's 100%. I think Bill Ackman is the most recent Katana purchaser. True. Elon Musk has been on that Katana shit for a long time. Jason Kolkana says he has a Katana, but he's actually never bought one. So, Dean Phillips he has a Katana, but he's actually never bought one. So, no, so, um, Dean Phillips is a democratic senator who is primarying

Biden, um, who just got 20% in New Hampshire. Question mark. And he is filling what you might call the yang hole in the democratic government. I don't want to fill the yang hole. So he's so, so, so from the Democratic government. I don't want to fill the yang hole. So he is. So from the right then. Well, he's finally going to be a fiscally responsible Democrat.

And he's going, but instead of being an outsider who's going to bring Silicon Valley in, he is an insider who's going to bring Silicon Valley in from outside. So Steve Schmidt from the Lincoln Project is managing his campaign. Oh, fantastic. I look forward to this being as impactful and meaningful as Lincoln Project 1.0 was. What do you even call the Lincoln the Lincoln project down on the

Democratic Party, like the Van Buren project? So this is so Phillips basically is running as a Democrat who's finally going to be technically-minded Business focused and fiscally responsible the Jackson project someone had to do it Hmm and so he like all successful political candidates launched his campaign on a Twitter space or an X space the case of death I mean, this is what did for DeSantis as well, you know He or he was interviewed by Elon Musk Bill Ackman and Jason Calcanus about things like what would he do in his first 100 days? Yeah, how are you gonna expel the foreign barbarians from the island of dojima?

Yeah, well specifically, how are you going to expel the DEI barbarians? Because he's running as the anti-DEI candidate. No one knows or cares what that is. This was DeSantis's thing as well, is to like try and appeal to people who, you know, trying to push like DEI or ESG or some shit like that that no one cares about. And then meanwhile, you see any of the voxpots from people going to a Trump rally and he's like, yeah, he makes me feel good. So I'm voting for him. I think the economy was better. And I can't, I will not be proved wrong about that because it feels like it was better. Well, when, when Phillips is of course president, then Bill Ackman, Elon Musk and Jason Calcanus

have all been tapped for major roles. Yeah. When this guy is president, all of Bill Ackman's critics are going to be extra judicially assassinated by SEAL Team 6. Business Insider is going to get fucking hit with a JDAM. It's, yeah. Neri Auxman's going to get to throw the lever on the electric chair in a gigantic marble run. I also love the idea of making Musk the head of State Department and then just nuclear war immediately. Like right away.

It's like he was too annoying. Looking into this. Yeah, trying to imagine what the funniest cabinet position to put Elon Musk in. It's probably HUD, you know. Tubes everywhere. No, no. We've actually gotten like a celebrity shot. We've brought in Mohammed bin Salman to be HUD secretary.

Yeah, I love to live in my section 8 housing that has an upscale dining district. So anyway, these guys, these three are deeply influencing his campaign. And like other Silicon Valley people, they've all given millions to a super PAC. It's cool how this is just like a sort of like overflow vent for money running for president is that you can just kind of burn. I mean, DeSantis too. DeSantis spent like, you know, thousands of dollars per vote and spent like, you know, he spent more than his net worth on private jets even.

That's so cool. Hey, you know what? He finally got high up. So he said after New Hampshire, I've built businesses and brands and studied the best successes in marketing history. And I've never known one that generated 20% market share in just 10 weeks as we did last evening in New Hampshire. He then said, I will build the most extraordinarily bipartisan cabinet in American history.

But Biden wasn't on the ballads. Like was a thing due to some procedural ratfuckery with the Democratic Party that you had to write in Biden because he wasn't running, because the party had boycotted the primary. This is like saying no business ever builds this amount of vote share and not mentioning the fact that your competitor has been legally barred from opening its stores or putting signs on them. Yeah, it's like, wow, my small business has really taken off ever since the Walmart's all burned down. So, Philip said that he would use zero-based budgeting and hire an international consulting firm to conduct a top-down assessment of the federal government day one. I consider all zero, I consider all budgetings to be zero-based, very cringe.

Do you both know what zero-based budgeting is? I don't, but I can lie and say that I do. Okay, so zero-based budgeting, it's so stupid. It's a thing that lots of companies did before money was free and they stopped doing once money was free. But it's basically an exercise where you go through everything your company spends, like on pens or travel or whatever. And then you establish what you've spent in every category. And then you re-spend less on candles. Yes.

Yes. It is the spend less on candles, like business thing. Spend less on Casey DeSantis's private jets. So is it just like a formalization of that? About like help my family is dying meme? Yes, exactly. So like, but any company, any company that ever goes through a zero base budgeting exercise loses a huge number of staff because they're like, yeah, you have to buy your own stationary now here at fucking Pfizer, basically. That's like, that's the outcome. So he's like, yeah, we're going to crack down on the pen budget at the federal government. I mean, to be fair, the federal government does spend a huge amount of money on trivial

bullshit, but that's because it's a huge bureaucracy and huge bureaucracies need to do that in order to function. Like this is like a recurring sort of bugbear for me is that any time conservatives talk about government waste it's like Often there is huge waste but as often as not it's just stuff that is like a requirement of Perpetuating bureaucracy that seems wasteful all those guys need the fucking skill craft pens Which by the way, the federal government gets a deal on. I have a whole thing about federal, about fed pens. It's because autism. I really want some. If you work in the federal government, defraud your employer, send me a box of skill craft pens because I really want some and you can't buy

them. Philips basically has a kind of grand bag of policies. Yeah, we're gonna run the government like a business, which has never been tried before or since. And I wanted to focus, and basically, like what we saw last time as an American primary is that everyone said they were all for Medicare for All and then as soon as like they got closer to winning,

they were like, no, I never said that. So, we can sort of gloss over that. His solution to ending the housing and homelessness crisis because he is funded by people like Ackman and Musk is we must incentivize the building of more housing. He is a yimby. Okay, cool. I mean, I never thought about that building more housing sounds cool How does he want to do that? Oh Well, he certainly doesn't I mean obviously nothing that's gonna work right now. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, he wants to work with the private sector to build 7 million new homes great. I'll tell you that and also That apparently it's all about zoning. He needs to up zone

This is purely Yimby, right? It is purely basic Twitter Yimby shit, right? But what I think is the most the most fun one is that he wants to he's he's a big AI guy. We'll see fucking is but also the other but before we go to the AI though, I want to talk about is his platform included diversity, equity, inclusion and inclusion. However, it no longer does because... Wait, what do you mean when you say that his platform included it? Was he woke and then Bill Ackman made him stop being woke?

So this is from Axios. It says, Democratic presidential candidate Dean Phillips removed a reference promoting diversity equity inclusion on his website after one of his top financial backers, a leading DEI opponent, prodded him publicly on the subject. In recent days, users on X, formerly Twitter, alerted Bill Ackman on the inclusion of DEI language as part of the platform section of Phillips' campaign site. Weird little snitches. Like, he's just copied and pasted the likes of corporate, like the modern slavery statement, effectively,

the like thing that you have to put in your website if you're a corporate entity that's like, yeah, we're gonna do some woke shit, whatever. Which is a locus of ideology, right? Bill Ackman is not wrong about that being an ideological thing. It's just that Bill Ackman's response to it is to, I guess, completely fly off the handle and be like, no, you must update this boilerplate statement so that you don't do any woke shit whatsoever.

So on Sunday, Ackman replied that he believed Dean Phillips, quote, didn't understand what DEI was when he made it part of his website. I made the same mistake before. Oh, he's learning and growing, you know. Well, no, he said he then said minutes later, he posted saying Phillips was now getting educated as we speak. Let's let's let's say that's so funny. They're doing but like so close to basically doing like Instagram apology slides.

Yeah. Do you think that's right with people who are like, it's not my job to educate you about the like, uh, you know, Zionist occupation government, whatever their crank theory is. Um, or is it like a right wing, uh, like safety pin box? You know, I actually don't want to do the emotional labor of explaining the protocols to you. I actually don't want to do the emotional labor of explaining the protocols to you. And then on Tuesday morning, Ackman said that, yeah, he didn't understand DEI until recently

and he expected this statement will be revised promptly. On Tuesday, the language had been changed to equity and restorative justice. Wait, but that's worse. That's more woke, surely? Yeah. Well, because it's the belief that the belief here, right? Isn't about the individual semantic content of diversity, equity and inclusion. It's the belief that capital D, capital E, capital I, diversity, equity and inclusion is not just an HR bit of boilerplate.

It's actually a like sort of critical theory conspiracy that's designed to sap our martial spirit. You're like when you say DEI specifically, you are casting a spell. Yes. Taught to you by the majors at the Frankfurt School. Correct, yes. Gotcha. And the same with ESG and stuff, I assume.

So of course, obviously, yet another politician who is unable to stop being bounced into things by the Internet. I mean, at least you've got Robert F. Kennedy, who is just personally getting bounced into things by the Internet. Like not even donors, just like shit that he like sees from based Kekestani, Groper 1488 or whatever. Oh, that guy soon acts going after.

Yeah, exactly. Everyone wants him. He's kind of the new cat-toed too, in many ways. Cat-toed three. So, this is, but the funniest thing on Phillips before we sort of leave him for a time is that he had this policy on AI, but it was not clear. He doesn't elaborate on sort of what he thinks he wants to do. But there's a little bit of a hint that came

in one of the things he did to campaign, which was he created via open AI. So like I start up, built something for him on top of the open AI interface. Sort of called Delphi. And was contracted to build something called the Dean Bot. Say again. The Dean Bot, you know, when you automate the Dean. I think I saw that episode of community, yeah.

So openAI basically. So he created a chatbot of himself that voters could talk to in real time via a website. That's just a more pathetic version of the thing that Sunak was doing. Yeah, it's I want to be elected, but I don't want to interact directly with any of you filthy people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And of course, the hilarious thing is that chat GBT doesn't allow political campaigning, like doesn't allow the use of their program for political or open AI. It doesn't allow the use of chat GPT for political campaigning.

So it's gotten taken down. So the Dean bot has it killed the Dean bot. It was like Hitchbot. They found it by the side of the road, you know, Sam Altman like beat its legs off the baseball bat and it's gone. But they said, right, they said, we envision a world. This is on the Deanbot website, which now says, apologize, apologies, Deanbot is away campaigning right now. It's like, no, it's been killed. They killed the fucking Deanbot. First assassination of the presidential candidate of this this campaign. They got the Deanbot with the doohickey.

Yeah, it says, but it says on the website, we envision a world in the next five years where anyone will be able to use AI to speak directly to the president at any time and the president can learn from the aggregated feedback of those conversations. President Eden fallout three real. Cool. Okay. Fantastic. It's just going to be a big computer. I mean, listen, I'm not against that kind of direct democracy consensus bullshit. We could do that. I'm not sure why there needs to be a vestigial human Dean in the White House if it's just going to be the computer. Yeah, let's just, well, maybe like Dean is the human face of chat GPT. I don't need that to be a face for. I don't think that the computer needs a metatron in that way. Like if you want to send something out to like, you know,

to shake hands or like sign the letters to like families of troops who have gotten killed after we invaded somewhere, just get Asimo to do it, you know? President Asimo. This is my contention. Yeah, Dean Phillips, you're going to lose to Asov on the right ends. But you know what? The if you're voting in a democratic primary, right in either ceasefire or Asimov. Yeah. So that's the this is that's Dean and his fabulous band of merry men and his loyal retainers. Excuse me. Um, I expect to see much more of him in future.

However, we have a protagonist for indecision 2024. All right. So I want to do a quick startup and then we're going to read an article. Startup. It's called skilla. S C Y double L A. OK. I mean, so so we're in the realm of like education and training shortly. No, but it does. it is often used in schools. No, it's a skill of the legendary monster in... Oh, like skill and like, similar in Charybdis. Yes, that's right. Well, Silla, yes. Silla, excuse me.

Gotcha. Sorry, I don't mean to like humiliate you on a classic's beef. That's fine. It's a name I more frequently read than say. So this is who we're talking about. It is named after the legendary sea monster. And I can tell you actually that their values are discipline, teamwork, and what's the third value? Being yourself and having fun with it, I know.

Yeah, I had it up in front of me. This should help though, collaboration, discipline, collaboration, and teamwork. So, and it's called? That's kind of like quite dystopian near future sort of governing ideology, right? Like I feel like I want to see that projected like 200 feet tall on the side of a skyscraper Hmm. Well, um, I can also tell you

That they're laser focused to use advanced AI powered video analytics to protect human life Boy, I mean so it's gonna do you said in schools I mean, so it's gonna do, you said in schools, it's the AI that watches CCTV footage to see if there is a fight happening. Correct, yes. That's exactly what it is. I, sure, yeah, fuck it, why not? We've already got the vape detector.

We're now gonna get the like pushing and shoving detector. So I sent an image to our group chat earlier, anomaly detection and behavior recognition. Hussain, can you please describe to me what's in that image? Um, it is. So the image that you send, uh describe themselves as identifying high impact anomalous events as they occur. And the picture is of a guy who is trying to fight three other guys.

And there's a red square where part of the guy's head, like the guy, we call him guy A, the one who's fighting the other, you know, it looks like a scene from like the Power Rangers when they're sort of fighting the pussies. Yeah. What they've done is they've drawn a red box around a guy who is throwing a like really high kick. So what it kind of suggests to me is that the AI is going to detect if you are like moving on some John Wick shit. Yeah. Except like no one's really hitting each other. I mean, like on the left hand side, there's like one of his opponents where he's got his fist like a bit too high up to really do anything. It's very strange. It does sort of remind me a lot of like, it does remind me a lot of like old Power Rangers where you could see that they weren't actually really hitting anyone.

So their kicks were like not landing anywhere close. Yeah, it looks like a bit, it looks like a bit K-Fa. But I mean, if that happens in your school, then this thing will alert the school cops. You know, I mean, this, I mean, what is the premonition that like it will do something if it detects that one person is trying to take on three guys? Like, I just, I just like the idea of the new conservative like hysteria being that kids in schools are identifying as power rangers. It's that we need a John Wick detector in the schools. Yeah. So they say the leading real-time physical threat detection solutions,

they're not just for schools, they're for anything. They just have a school. I mean, you could be John Wick anywhere. You could be in the museum, the library. You have been identified as doing sick John Wick moves. So, let's see. But the thing is, right, if you do that in Britain, right, you buy all of this software wholesale from,

I presume the US, which means it comes with a cool American voice. So it will be like, citizen, stop that. And then, because you're in Britain, it will have to be like, please wait 60 to 90 minutes for a PCSO to show up. So, but it does, it's for alerting private security, right, mostly.

Oh, of course it fucking is. We can't do anything publicly anymore. Law enforcement can use it. It's one of these things where it's just an AI system. Whoever wants to buy it, whoever wants to get alerted, they'll put it together for you. Pretty standard. So, they have a video stream on any camera.

They process the video stream to develop meaningful insights, but activity and objects and their algorithm. Chair on the ferryman who crosses you over the river stick. I think, I think we need to do something about people who know about classics. And I realized that includes myself, but I'm willing to take one for the team. So it verifies suspicious content in real time through the smart decision-making algorithm Charon. Information on the object activity or identity is retrieved and forwarded to the alerting protocols. So if you're a school, it might be like in the US, because this is where

this is mostly marketed, it would be the like school cops. You know, if you're a private company and you have like a watch list of employees that you think might be like, you know, doing something that you don't like, then if they meet together, you'll get a ping. Well, security will get a ping. So it's a very broad use cases if it works, which is always doubtful.

Sure. So, so testimonials come from James McJunkin, who's the VP... Sorry, come on. James McJunkin, the former VP of security for the Chicago Cubs baseball club. Again, going to Chicago and seeing that like, yeah, perfectly matched name, job and location, you know, as well as Gary Slater, the CEO of the Iowa State Fair. Yeah, I mean, listen, shit has not popped off John Wickstart at the Iowa State Fair. And as far as I'm aware, ever, right, no one's been doing like sort of like dives through the air that you know Shooting people in the head next to the butter cow. Well not yet

Well, and this is the thing the price that the watchword of Liberty is eternal vigilance So they say we are living in times of social unrest which compels law enforcement professionals to risk their lives in order to protect the life and property of Millions of citizens. Yeah, I mean that every every cop at the Iowa State Fair is taking their life in their fucking hands. From monitoring protests to nabbing, apprehending those committing crimes. Oh, there's a little typo there. So maybe your AI should have... Couldn't decide which one of those was in the right register, I guess. There is so much that these agencies must do. And with so much to be done, these agencies should examine the choice between recruiting more officers or deploying AI and machine

learning technologies to decrease crime. Yeah, great. Automate the Panopticon show. I've been here a thousand times before. But the school, I think, is an interesting use case, because it's not just monitoring now for vaping or for people gathering. They say due to the large number of students in each school, it would be unrealistic to expect only a handful of security guards to monitor each one of them.

Yes, I mean, I think that kind of illustrates to me the futility of trying to do this shit in the first place, you know, maybe maybe not every child in school needs Constant 24-7 oversight, maybe that's bad for them Maybe one of the reasons why we invented schools is that it would be a safer environment Where you wouldn't need to like watch a child constantly to see if they were engaging in like unsafe or unwanted or dangerous behaviors Or check this out What if instead of having a handful of security guards to monitor each one of them, each child gets a retainer? Oh boy. Okay. Yeah, sure. That's not what they're proposing, but you know, let's, let's, you know, each child is his own Damio,

and he gets a Samurai, and he or she gets a Samurai to protect them. I think that there have probably been multiple animas made with this premise. So, um, stationary security cameras not make this any easier because their digital video recording only gathers information and stores it for later use. My samurai could beat up your samurai. Therefore, the need of the hour is security infrastructure capable of mitigating a wide variety of risks such as school shootings. It's not going to mitigate shit, dude. Like, if someone's starting a school shooting, then like, you get a pretty good indication of that because the people are getting shot.

Like, the problem is not people not knowing to call the cops in that situation. The problem is the cops showing up and being on their phones outside for an hour and a half. Well, they say that they can use AI to detect guns unless the gun is concealed. Great, perfect. No one's ever concealed a gun. And if you're not concealing a gun going into a school, then as I say, things are probably

about to escalate to a point that someone is like a human is going to call the cops anyway. They say to be able to detect a firearm, we require a minimum of 30 pixels per feet. So long as this resolution is met for the maximum distance to the subject for our camera, our algorithm to detect firearms at virtually any angle so long as the firearm is not concealed. Okay, sure. Which is great.

So it's like, well, I guess if the firearm is concealed, we just have to like monitor the vibes, like see if they're doing high kicks or John Wick shit Yeah, you can say check this guy's bag for a firearm Yeah, we've detected that this child is about to pay for something using a gold pirate coin So I think that's probably a good indication. He's got a Kimber warrior in the backpack They say we use for cameras to detect visible firearms and trigger a response, such as issuing text alerts to security staff or emergency personnel, sounding audible doors, locking down doors, or even connecting

with an existing system. I love that the locked down doors, they can do the geo-front locking down animation if someone comes in with a gun. We also say that they can monitor for people from watch lists, identify aggressive behavior. Again, I wonder how they're going to determine whether behavior is aggressive. I don't know. Probably nothing sinister. Yeah. Oh, heavens, no. And of course, they can they can love this.

This is my favorite sentence. So it works as a piece of software that detects, identifies and reports to the left directly to law enforcement every time a gun is drawn in a school. As though, again, no one else is going to do that. You won't just call them. Yeah. No, I mean, also, don't a ton of American schools already have metal detectors and shit in the first place?

Like unless your kid is bringing in the fucking diehard two, you know, Glock nine porcelain gun from Germany that doesn't set off your airport metal detectors. Like, what the fuck? It just seems like such a nonsense to me. Well, you're right. It is. It is a nonsense. It's just like harvesting school budgets for the ability to like surveil kids slightly more. Yes. That is quite literally what it is doing. They even say, yes, Silla seems very expensive, but can you really put a price on safety? Plus you can save money.

How expensive is it? Well, they don't say on their website. It's probably one of these things where it's like... If you have to ask, you can't afford it. That's how a lot of stuff is priced up now. It's just like, oh yeah, it costs something. Anyway, anyway, just shall we end on? A little article I'm calling the Hasbara Factory. Yeah, let's do it.

So I don't know if you've heard of this, if you've sort of heard of this, but Israel has. Yeah, I've heard of Israel. Yeah. Heard of this Israel stuff? Israel with the big air quotes. It's like no. So this is from the paper Haritz, which cites like numerous sources with knowledge of the matter. And the article opens, Israel has responded to its clear loss to Hamas on the digital battlefield by making its first ever purchase of a technological system capable of conducting mass online influence campaigns according to numerous sources with knowledge

of the matter. Listen, you know who's conducting a mass online influence campaign is unintentionally the IDF soldiers who can't stop filming themselves committing war crimes. And the reason why they can't stop committing war crimes and filming it isn't just because the IDF is a kind of like undisciplined colonial police force that's been let wildly off the leash. It's because Israeli society in general to a sort of vast majority not only approves

of the war crimes and the genocide but thinks that they should go further, thinks that the woke Americans are the only things holding them back and thinks that more of them should happen. That's the kind of thing underlying all of the technology and all of the cyber war, public relations, scythe shit happening here is that like, ultimately, the, the facts on the ground out that Israel is committing a genocide and the majority of the Israeli population like it and want it to be worse. Hmm. And this is, we talked about this before, right? This is a familiar pattern to us, which is trying to solve what is

essentially a political problem using technology and not acknowledging. It's like, what the fuck? We're getting owned on our posts. And, you know, the reason why we're getting owned on our posts is because, like, of the Al Qassam cyber brigades, instead of the fact that people can go on their phones and see a video of, like, three grinning dipshits detonating an entire apartment block. Well, this is also, like also another part of it too. I don't know whether there's been an effort to try to get them to start posting. I don't think so.

But the fact is that they just keep posting the worst and most heinous shit. And someone made a point, I can't remember who it was, but they made a quite good point, which is like a lot of these posts are sort of like not really designed for us. They are designed for like other people in like mostly Israelis, right? And so when they sort of like break the break when they break the barrier, because to bear in mind, like a lot of the sort of like Israel PR has rested on the basis that or like one of the sort of like strengths behind it has been like, you know, they're much more like the West than other Middle Eastern countries. Something that you can obviously like unpack, like you can unpack that in whatever way you want. But like that has been one of the driving forces of like the Israeli PR campaign.

So once that sort of permeates and you have, you know, a good amount of Westerners being like, oh, hey, that's sort of fucked up that like, you dress up in like a dinosaur costume and fire missiles into a place where like children are starving. And then like the only response you can get from that is just like, oh no, this must all be convoluted. This must all be sort of like, you know, actually like it is a social media war against, you know, kids in Qatar or whatever. And it's sort of been interesting just to sort of see how they've tried to rationalize. I think, Alice, as you mentioned, just the fact that there are many sort of young dipshits in the IDF who just cannot stop posting. Well, so the article goes on. And I mean, I think much of what you're saying is going to get borne out by what's discussed

here. It says, the system can, among other things, automatically create content tailored to specific audiences purchased as a wider part, a wider attempt by Israeli bodies, civilian and military, to address what sources termed as quote, Israel's public diplomacy failure following October 7th. Again, there's no diplomacy that can cover for this shit. Like, it just doesn't exist. It isn't possible. It certainly isn't possible anymore, right? Like, this is a drum that I keep banging, right?

Is that, like, I said this last time as well, that, like, the war crimes aren't necessarily any worse than war crimes in the past, but, like, the video footage is so ubiquitous and irrefutable. And they're being committed so gleefully as well. Yeah, exactly. Like, back in the past, but like the video footage is so ubiquitous and irrefutable. And they're being committed so gleefully as well. Yeah, exactly. Like back in the day, you used to be able to do all of this same shit. Maybe you would film it and like distribute those films to like a select audience of your friends or whatever or people you knew could be politically reliable.

And then your country or your group's diplomats could get up and lie through their teeth and say, no, that isn't happening. And everyone is being hysterical about it because they hate us. And now you try that same shit and the sort of like obvious insincerity of it just is like so clear as to make it useless. And the idea then that like you can counter this just with more posting is like you're gonna see like you know a kid with like all four of their limbs blown off and then some promoted account is gonna be like did you know that the occupied Golan Heights has an excellent winery and you'll be like sick this cancels out perfectly I love a like

nice dry white did you do you know that Waze was invented to actually get Judean rebels out from Roman encampments? You want a soda stream? So according to eight different sources active in the worlds of intelligence, technology, influence, and public diplomacy, Israel was described as ill-equipped for the social media war that erupted on Black Saturday. This resulted in a quote, credibility crisis that has, from their perspective, hindered the IDF's ability to act against Hamas on the actual battlefield. Well, I mean, not really. They're still doing all the shit that they want to do.

Like, the fact that it's embarrassing, it's not like the Americans are stopping them and they're the only people who plausibly can. But people aren't cheering for them when they post their TikToks. The biggest fucking victim complex in the world, I swear to God. Like, literally, you could just do that. You are doing this. Like, you're fucking blowing up entire neighborhoods because you feel like it.

And then you're mad because on social media, the people who you already hate and have contempt for are expressing kind of like the minimum amount of hesitation to be like, this seems kind of fucked up, you know, because you want that prestige and you want that idea of westernity or whatever. But also it's the, you know, it's the, because you are, you exist in the victim complex, right? And you have the whole time, it's been your whole way of being for decades. You know, it's that you're not able to square that that doesn't match

up with what you've been doing. Yeah. Right. And so the idea that you're going to be able to buy some poorly defined suite of auto posting tools, basically like tweet deck, you know, like a private tweet deck to sort of somehow solve that, it would be laughable if it weren't sort of so tragic at the same time. All I sort of wanted to add to that, and it does, this sort of seems to be contradictory as well in terms of what the content strategy is. Because the issue, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but one of the issues I've sort of pointed out to them is that it's like an issue to do with exposure.

Their sort of argument, the very bad faith argument, their argument, like working on their logic is that too many people are sort of seeing pros that they sort of classify as like pro-Palestine. And these are like, you know, posts that are really, really amount to like, this is sort of fucked up, that so many children are dying or like, or are dead and like everything is basically rubble. So, this proposed solution to that is to sort of try and ramp up the amount of pro-Israeli tweets and propaganda, because they think that if more people are exposed to that, then that will sort of benefit them. But at the same time, like a lot of how this war is kind

of especially like in Israel, that the war is being sold, as far as I'm aware, is through these kind of camp, through demonstrating like the power of the idea, right? And that sort of feels where the contradiction is, not just in terms of like, I think it's the social media component of it is really just one lens to look at it. But on a political level, where there seems to be a struggle to triangulate the attempt abroad to present Israel as being the victims in this, the underdogs in this, while at the same time also needing to prove that, no, we are this mighty military force and we can take out anyone like and it feels like that contradiction is something that they are struggling to resolve, especially considering that like in sort of speaking about like politics in Israel, there is very much of his tech,

there's very much is pushed to like, no, we have to sort of continue the war, we have to sort of continue sort of like bombing and destroying people. And I don't know how like, how they are sort of trying to like conceptualize this. Well, I think it's the, hey, wait a minute. The other observers of this haven't realized that our enemy is both pathetically weak and terrifyingly strong at the same time. We have to post more until they agree. They say this is supposed to counter the well-oiled hate machine systematically pushing out anti-Israel disinformation misinformation So was blatantly anti-Semitic context at content excuse me, and they say the way to influence key events like it

Okay, fine like for every anti-Semitic post like whether that's sort of done cryptically or openly There are a hundred things that are just flatly Documenting things that the IDF is doing often at their own hands, often posted by them. So the examples that they give, they give a few examples such as the Al-Ali Hospital. But when I want to say give, it's highlight. Yeah, very weird that all of the Ossin guys went completely silent about this entire conflict after that, by the way.

So the October 27th, battle over Al-Shiva Hospital, while Hamas floods social media with raw and graphic footage, the IDF responds with 3D models and highly designed infographics of terror infrastructure. Yes, they were ridiculous. The fucking Hamas conference room, the red barrel room, the like tunnel network of nothing. Yeah. But that's the thing is, right? Hey, they posted a bunch of footage and we did a drawing and nobody cared. Yeah. We need an AI machine to fix this. Yeah.

It's like, again, there is no technology that can make these claims plausible. Right. Like now that they've searched and in many cases destroyed, as far as I'm aware, damn near every hospital in Gaza and still haven't found the kind of the bamboo Pentagon, right? Like the Hamas Conference Room, the Red Barrel Room, Yaiosin was office. And presumably, they didn't stop looking and haven't found them. It just, there's no way of putting that sort of toothpaste back in the tube. There's no way of making it not be ridiculous. Well, and they, so they, they also talk about like the Bin Laden letter on November 16,

which again, it was like a small number of ticktocks that journalists saw and then decided to start panicking about. I don't even know what this one is. I remember the, Remember the when Obama, Osama bin Laden's letter to America went viral, well, quote unquote viral on November 16th. That is cited. Some TikTok nonsense that some,

that columnists got very head up about is cited as like, well, we as this part of this like network of things we have to counter because all opposition to us must come from the same dark cloud, the same people who were tricked into not believing our helpful infographics. Yeah, I mean, listen, if you want to stop people from like sympathizing with Hamas or joining Hamas, I think maybe the more proximate option there is to not kill so many of their relatives, you know.

Well, they say they've decided to purchase an existing technology instead of risking developing one independently. It's like, well, hang on, I thought you guys were supposed to be like, that was like one of the things that you say, right? Is that well? Well, yeah, this is the thing. Israel is the like startup nation that does all the

surveillance technology and security technology and like influence for me and like, so I have stuff and yeah, turns out all of that shit the bed. So we bought whatever this is off the shelf. What did they buy off the shelf? By the way, it's not clear. Oh, okay. So they just bought like something off of like American presidential campaigns that they bought like they got Hillary's old fucking license for like opinion maker with like no vowels in it. for opinion maker with no vowels in it. Is it a number of civilian tools and programs developed for business and political campaigns were procured?

So they got a bunch. A system for mapping online audiences, a system capable of automatically creating websites, as was content tailored to specific audiences, a system for monitoring social media and messaging platforms, and others. So yeah, they basically got like clout tracker. Yeah, we found out how many people were posting the word

Hamas versus posting the word Sahal and we're sort of counting likes on those and it turns out we're getting our shit kicked in. This is a new front of the cyber war. Well those camp, well the, well previous campaigns because like Haaretz is sort of a, you know, Israel's like centrist newspaper. So, well those camp,, previous campaigns, such as groups of Israelis selling disinformation and election interference services to private clients, parts of which also included the use of never-before-seen software for online influence campaigns, sources stress that this is not the case with Israel now. Because while those campaigns were political, acting in bad

faith, and use fake information to deceive people, the goal here is the opposite, to amplify real information in the face of disinformation enjoying inauthentic support. Sure. We're going to get real information like this little baggie of three bullets they found in the back of a functioning MRI scanner. That's news that you can use. You take that to the bank. The first campaign created by the system is already running online, which is not in fact in Hebrew and doesn't focus on the war at all, but instead on anti-Semitism and countering anti-Zionist narratives for the first time ever.

This is the Hezbollah factory. It seems to me again as this. We have a political problem to which we are applying a technical solution that only serves to underscore the ludicrousness, cruelty, and sort of nonsense of the political problem itself. Any case, I think that's probably about all we have time for today, so I want to thank our reduced crew today of... Hey, you're most welcome. I literally get paid to be here. I've got to, I've got to like go to my shift working in the working in the IDF click farm. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna like course and we're gonna call some some pro-Palestinian

groups. We're gonna call them fams and yeah, it'll be. Yeah, the thing about Hamas is that they look like a... The thing is, obviously, Hussain, you and I, we both joined the IDF together a month ago and as major generals now, with our sort of like long time in service, we've got to go and command this like sort of has bar of actually. We're in the posters corpse. It's an important job. We're like preparing, we're preparing Taylor Swift reaction gifts.

Bestie, her mask is not a sleigh. What if your jobs get automated? They'll have you busted down to Colonel. All right, all right. I think that's all we have time for so I Also want to thank the audience and not to forget there's a page guys Those guys don't even get paid to be here Well, there's a five dollars a month You can get a second episode every week for ten dollars a month also

Which I'm bringing up because there's gonna be a very special left on red coming to the ten dollar tier That's right. We are doing blind site again. Yeah, you finally drag me into doing it. I will also say your Patreon tier does reflect the rank that you will be given. So if you want to get if you want to get commissioned as a major general, get in at that $10 tier. Yeah, if you're fine, if you start at the $5 tier, you only can start as a normal major. Yeah. Your promotion will come after like one month. One month or two weeks for good behavior. So all of that being the case. Yeah, I think that's it.

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