TRASHFUTURE - It's Called a Tama-God-Chi

Episode Date: October 29, 2024

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could have nuclear-powered data centres sucking up all the information about everyone ever, with easily-ignorable caveats for ‘protecting’ ‘American’ ‘citizens’ rights.’ Wouldn’t it be nice they fueled AI that will definitely work. Wouldn’t it be nice to be a roving constituency MP going on evening walks and sucker-punching your constituents? What if we told you… all of this can be yours? *T-SHIRT ALERT* Two new t-shirt designs—Avignon Popes and Banished to the Lagoon—are available for pre-order on our website. Get them here!  *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s UK Tour here: https://miloedwards.co.uk/live-shows Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and November (@postoctobrist)

I'm depending on you all having seen the Mike Amesbury fight video. Of course. But not because of any interest in politics, it's because I watch fight videos on X the Everything app religiously. And so like, obviously when that popped into my favorite, like reprehensible fight aggregator Twitter account, I was like, holy shit,

is that the MP for Runcan? Buy aggregator, isn't that just Weatherspoon? We can recreate them in the aggregate. Yeah, that's right. Money fight. Wait, that's just like boxing? I've invented a new sport. It's called money fight.

Yeah. Well, no, you throw money at each other like Scroogey McDuck. Mr. Beast would be debuting this in a week's time. No, money fight in the sense of not relying on having an especially hard guy in your group when you're on a night out in Stoke-on-Trent, but that there being a kind of average level of scrappiness amongst the group of lads that makes you an intimidating prospect, but one which goes under the radar, people underestimate your abilities in a scrap.

Me and my friend group are very much the Oakland Athletics of this all bar one. Wait, it's like a numbers-wise manager put you together by going against conventional wisdom. Exactly, yeah. When Gaz was put in charge of the Newcastle-under-Lyme scrappers, they seemed like a rag-tag bunch, but with a simple method of arming them with pint glasses, he found they could perform at an above-average level. Like, the invention of glassing.

Doing pub fights Sabermetrics, you've just got like 50 Excel spreadsheets open all the time. Well, this guy's glassings per minute is like, you know, it doesn't look great at first, but if you really drill down into the day so you can see he's got potential. So what's interesting is he doesn't hit very hard, but that doesn't break the glass, and he gets more punches per minute. What's less important is how many punches he throws and how accurate those punches are. that has better predictability for how many geysers he'll knock out. We've been looking at the wrong data.

And now, the Trash Future podcast presents a hidden tape from the Nixon collection that was released recently. Alderman, you've got to stop. I'm going to not. Richard Nixon begins by saying, who gave us this Tony Hinchcliffe character? I was told he's to fire up the crowd in Peoria with some abusing racial remarks about the Puerto Ricans, but I met him this afternoon. What is he some kind of a expletive? Homosexual vaudeville act? What the, what the expletive? Is he doing on my campaign? H.R. Haldeman replied, he's, he's popular with a shut-ins mainly. John Mitchell's boy likes him on the, on the radio. John Mitchell made the, he made the connection. And as to, no, he's not, or at least we don't,

we don't believe he's an out-and-out, marry. He has a, he's married. He has a wife. The president replied, I don't care if he's in a lavender marriage. Don't ever bring him around here again. My God, that Pansy Arthur Schlesinger is going to eat us alive for this one. What's the, what's the expletive point of it having an imperial presidency if we got to put up with these people? Hello, and welcome to TF, the podcast with two introductions. It is Riley. I know for your favorite introduction at the website. Guess which host of Trash Future has been thinking about Richard Nixon all day? Me, I was masturbate.

He's a sexy man. Yeah, we haven't actually decided the name for our kids yet, but it was on it. It is now on a short list. Well, Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon, Kisvani. Like a coast of our kid born in 2001. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Richard Dixon Kisvani. Like one word. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tricky Dick Nixon, Kisvani. In this, like Chinese dengists, a lot of them named their children, Richard Nixon. Hussein, this is one of your final episode. before you take a little bit of time off.

It may be the final one. It may be the second's final one. Yeah. Well, yeah, we'll wait and see. Maybe the baby will make a, make a cameo at some point before January, depending on how December goes. We'll see how it goes.

Ultimately, the kind of retirement plan for us is we all have kids, or like, between us, enough kids that we just, the podcast descends to them. Yeah, we're going to do Nepo baby stuff before this, and they're still going to do the same bits. Trash, you should. the next generation. Yeah, like DeGrasia.

You should think of it as less Hussein taking a hiatus from the podcast so much as he's going Holderman mode by becoming increasingly inaudible for a period of time. I'd like to add, H.R. Holderman was a lot of strange things other than just hard to hear. Really? What of Richard Nixon's orbiter's was a weird guy? But his inaudibility masked so many of them, thus proving me had it.

Better to shut up and be thought a weirdo than open your mouth. I got to say, I do think it's very funny that, like, people who work for Kamala Harris, we're not going to talk about this that much, but I do think it's very funny that people who work for Kamala Harris are now going to have to, like, find out who Big Jay O'Kerson is for opposition research. Like, to me, that's very amusing. It's just the, the moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards podcaster having a really outsized impact on election. I mean, every, every time, every time. You know, it's never the podcast that you want, you know, It's the podcaster who orbited Joe Rogan and now kind of like psychologically tortures stand-up

comedians by making them drive to Austin and sleep in their cars before like, you know, auditioning for him in a really creepy sort of way. Yeah, absolutely. And you know what? It's like, where do all of these people come from in Trump world? Just like having to explain to Kamala Harris, right, who is an evil but like quite serious politician. Uh, yes, ma'am, this guy was loosely associated with a podcast called Legion. of skanks. The Royal British Legion of Skanks.

About anything. She goes into the wrong podcast and it's just like talking to like one of those British podcasts that's just sort of about soap operas. Well, I can tie this back together, right? Because Trump went on Joe Rogan, right? This is what this has all been building to. And I was trying to think about who the equivalent of Joe Rogan in Richard Nixon's day was for him going on Joe Rogan being like,

I know, I've never smoked DMT. What the fuck accent was that? How about I try it? How about I try? Yeah, please, please. Edit that out and replace it with Riley. No, no, Joe, I haven't. I haven't tried the spirit molecule.

I think it's really dangerous. Yeah, and so I was thinking about this. And I came to the conclusion that that is just Frost Nixon. That David Frost was the Joe Rogan of his day. Yeah, we have already seen Frost Nixon. and unfortunately it's a podcast. I want to talk a little bit about the UK though because... We have to.

I know. We do. Well, no, because something fun happened, which is I love it when MPs get fighty. And the MP for Ron Kern has appeared on November's Fight aggregator Twitter. Yeah, yeah. My world star vertical column that I keep in tweet deck running all the time on my second monitor. Just in case I need to pick me up, I can look at some like content of people like fighting each other.

And so I happened to see one of Kirstarmer's slate of like highly qualified, eminently selectable and electable candidates. Uh, just straight up haul off and sucker punch a guy in the street in a sort of like regional town center in the middle of the night. And then start punching him some more while he was on the ground and then get pulled off him. Uh, while a bunch of kind of screaming women, uh, like vaguely held him back. and he kind of what was really funny about this was he invented his own post hoc justification

by having hit the guy by as he was being pulled away going and you'll never threaten me the MP for Runcorn again which is a good warning because I like to threaten the MP for Runcorn regularly and so it's important

it's like a cop shouting stop resisting to cover the police brutality you know to be like stop threatening me stop threatening the MP for Runcour MP's he's the MP for World Star. MP safety is so important. Well, I mean, for instance, that that guy, you know, his face did a lot of damage to the MP's fist. So, you know, we've got to start thinking about

these things. What I love is, as you say, number one, the soberest anyone has ever been is the official TF position on my game's parade. I think we can legally say that this guy was good to drive. Yep. The most legal to drive sober as a judge, MP, wandering, by himself at night around the town, and then having a discussion with someone that ends in a, I guess this guy rapidly face-butting his fist with his face. I guess the thing is, right? Until you get in the fight, that's got to be a pretty fun experience to just be like plastered and walking around your own constituency late at night, feeling like, it's going to be like

the political equivalent of bad lieutenant. You're just like, yeah, I'm the fucking king of runken. And then a guy mouths off to you. Then the people's joker shows up and you're fuck. But once you have vanquished the constituents in single combat, their complaints become meaningless. Does they fight each other? Does they bite each other's wrists?

I had a good Hurtzog in there, apparently. Are you referring specifically to Bad Lieutenant 2? If I were to Hurtzok, Port of Cool, N-Korland. Port of cool, run-call. That's one of my favorite sequels ever. I think it's an amazing film. Yeah.

Well, I think what we need to do, is we need to get all the MPs into a money fight type scenario. Because I think, you know, the MP for Runcorn, obviously he's winning his fights, but he could be winning them by more if he leverages simple data analysis. We're now at a dividing time where we need to decide how are we going to take care of MP's safety?

Because obviously, like, Mike Amesbury was just walking around, minding his own business, sober as a judge. And so, like, there's nothing else we could do to, like, make him take more precautions. I think either we need to, like, get MPs into, like, MMA or plausible. We could start arming them. Yeah. The phrase going for an MP's service weapon,

like, is immediately projected into the forefront of my mind in like 12 foot tall golden letters. But in the tradition of British Parliament, they should only be armed in like abstruse medieval ways, like Rossbow, halberd, like, big mace. Yeah, that's what I want to see. Jacob Brise Mogg has bisected a constituent with a balister bolt. Yeah, mounted on his penny farthing. Just like, let's see you say some shit to me once I finished loading my arbalest. Well, you see, the thing about the ballister is it wasn't particularly combat offended.

It was mostly intended to terrify the enemy and cause them to rout. And that is much in the same way I employ it in my constituency. It's very rarely used in anger. Oh, God, Mark Francois is coming. And he's telling behind him a fifth century Chinese early gunpowder artillery. But Mark Fronsoir's dragon lans. Yeah. Why is this artillery piece named the Richard Nixon?

The other, I think, option for improving MPs safety is, of course, not every MP can be Mark Francois, you know, some of them are Labour MPs. All of them wish they could. Many of them are Labour MPs, and they need to be protected differently. Now, I was thinking maybe either some kind of a VAC cube or an avalanche protection sphere that they could just, you know, deploy around themselves when they are. faced with a threatening constituent in one of their traditional nighttime constituency walks. Yeah, that would be fun.

Yeah, if you try confronting your Labor MP about the fact that he maybe like owns several like slum properties and like a children's home from which children have been going missing, then he simply gets into his like Zorb, you know, from like Zorbing. Did anyone consider that he was going for like a mental health walk and that the man who confronted him was actually confronting his mental health and therefore, um, him, he was defending his mind. You know, until the moment that he realized he might get in trouble for this, I bet his mental health was great after that.

Oh, yeah. Real morale booster. I think, yeah, we should give all MPs the Avalanche Protection Backpacks where you pull a rip cord and then it inflates a giant sphere around you. What, from fucking tomorrow and ever dies? Yeah, it's a real thing. Is it? Yeah, it's a real thing.

Fucking James Bond can't invent anything. Okay, fine. Yeah, that's right. But I think that could be fun, you know? You're like, you know, hey, a, Jazz Athwaal, how come children keep going missing from the care home that you own? And then he could... He doesn't own it.

He's just besties with the guy who does own it. And he rents it to him. Okay, fine. They keep getting roundhouse kicked by Mark Francois, but no one will report on this. Yeah. That he could just pull the rip cord and then he could be encased in a safe, protective bubble. Hmm. Yeah.

Speaking of where... This is what November you were mentioning earlier was Jazz Athwal, another squeaky clean candidate elected for a... master party political media manager, Kier Starrmer. Also, also Wes West Streething's former boss, because West Drasing was under him and counsel where his job, Wes's, was like child safety. This will be relevant. Oh, cool.

Because it transpires that, yes, Jazz Athwal owe one of the many properties that he owns as a landlord, some of them were just infested with mold and ants. This one was rented to a child care group. which then sold its services to Ilford Council. In a completely unconnected thing, Ilford Council spent like 500% more with this firm after that than they had done before. Well, because they had to find all those children.

Expensive finding children. They're very small. They hide in small places. Yeah, Hussein. I'm making notes right now, but my child may be vanished and be somewhere in Elford. Doing Ilford taken.

I have a very particular set of skills. Mostly knowledge of the A-12. It would be regular Liam Neeson because Liam Neeson and Taken isn't French, right? The guys who take his daughter and Taken are like weird Euro-Trash French guys. So it would be those guys on the phone to regular Liam Neeson quaking in their Essex boots. That's right. Quaking in their immaculate white trainers. Yeah, there you go.

Pant legs stuck to their ankles. Long stream of. pissed down the inside of a pair of Calvin Klein jeans. A 2019 offset inspection of the home, which opened in 2013, reportedly mentioning bullying and intimidation, which led to children being stabbed. A September 2020... What? Yeah, led to a child being stabbed.

Huge escalation in that sentence alone. Like, there's bullying, very, very bad, intimidation, worse than that, leading to, getting worse still, a child, uh, getting stabbed? Well, very simply, that child shouldn't have threatened the MP for Roncourt. His hands are registered as lethal weapons. You mentioned the bull you'll get the run goons. Yeah, a child has been bludgeoned unconscious with a pair of Nunchuk after interrupting the local MP of his 5 a.m. war.

The thing is, when the MPs are all first elected in the Commons chamber, some of them get like guns and swords and stuff, but others just get like potlids. Yeah, it's like Battle Royale. Yeah, Balorail. I can't wait to like speak to have to speak to my MP about something boring and procedural and get my head shorn off my shoulders by a Cusaragama. The one MP who gets poison. And he has to use like skull doggery to kill his enemy. He has to lure his constituents up to a delicious cake, you know?

Or like an apple that's suspiciously placed in front of. them. Oh, God. Okay. Everyone on my street draws lots to go complain to our local MP about the number of potholes because he's the one guy that was given the Zanbatu horse killer sword. Yeah, I tried parking outside the constituency century and he cut the front two thirds off my car. It sucks that I happen to live in the constituency that got the landmines this year.

Incredible armstrong. He cut the front two thirds off my car. car is such a fascinating way of phrasing that because it makes it sound like you were sat in the boot and observing helplessly as he calmly cut the front two-thirds of the car off, leaving you sat harmlessly in the very rear. I, the other thing about this, right, tides of history moment, when the last time that your local representative was the guy who could swing the horse-killing sword, the hardest, was like the early Middle Ages.

We're going back. We're going back. Return with a V to when your local representative to like central government also happened to be amazing with like a Zwhi hanter. Yeah. Well, I think that's, it should be like purge rules, right? If you want your MP to do some casework for you,

there should be one day a year where you're allowed to like engage him in single combat. And if you win, he has to do whatever thing it is you're bothered about, whether it's something important or whether it's like, I don't like where my neighbor puts his bin. Like if you make him yield to you in single combat, He is duty bound to do it. Well, this is the thing, right?

That swings and roundouts because, okay, it's very useful to us, but there's also one day a year where we have to be Jeremy Corbyn's volunteer bodyguard from an army of the baldest men on the internet. Yeah. Well, I personally can't wait for us to, like, live in what, like the constituency of berserk. That's going to be great. Jazz Athol just before we move on. You know, he is, once again, appears to be involved somehow in some business that is sort of actively

harmful. Yeah, it's called being a landlord. Well, indeed. He is the landlord of this commercial property that is used by a care group that is selling its services to the council at what appears to be a relatively high price, of which Jazz Athwa was the leader. He appears also to have been constantly talking on Facebook with the guy who runs the care home and once called him a dawn, according to the investment, uh, investment into the investigation, excuse me. And, but then, well, of course, when called said, oh, I don't know that person. And then when quoted lying, in this news outlet, the Londoner, his lawyer said, you shouldn't take seriously anything he said in the interview

because he was on the train and it was busy. Yeah, well, he just hung up on them, right? Because he said, he said like three times, yeah, I don't know who runs this place. And then they said, is it the guy who you keep calling the Don on Facebook? And he hung up. They're all such shitty liars. It's so insulting to have enemies this stupid.

Yeah. It's like, oh, I've been losing a chess for like three consecutive years to a dog. It's like, I've been losing a chess. as someone who's not playing with a full compliment of pieces because he's eaten both his bishops. This is who we sort of fought to sort of get into these just immobile forever

seats. The only thing we could say is that the next election is likely to be a wave election because Starrmer in this point of his premiership is now polling lower than Sunak was at the same point of his premiership. He polls worse right now than some diseases.

He polls worse than Eric Adams. Amazing. He pulls worse than the guy who everyone else in every level of government above him can't stop telling to resign and like has, can't buy a phone without getting seized by the police officers, Eric Adams. He's polling worse than Eric Adams.

He needs to take more Turkish airlines flights. I keep saying this about, honestly, if Kirstama was like doing some Turkish mafia stuff, I think his polling would go up. I think he would seem a bit cooler. He'd have a bit more mystique. that comes out with a skin fade. Yeah.

Comes back with veneers. The key thing about Turkish organized crime is all the cheap cosmetic surgery that gets. He's like he's stopped taking bribes off Lord Alley. And then he just comes back. He's got like the high fade. He's got a full set of veneers.

He's got like he's got hair plugs. And it's like, nothing, nothing has happened. I've just been doing a little bit of a manscaping. And I think it's been more able to lead Britain into a new era. What's your talk? No, I told you, I got rid of the suits Lord Ali brought me.

This is an Emporia Amani t-shirt that's skin tight. As you can see, I've got this Balban belt on. And the other thing I think is funny about that polling, though, is that Starber is at 26% in this point of his premiership. At the same point, Sunak was at 29. At the same point, Johnson was at 40, May was at 46, and Cameron and Brown were both at 59, which is like, what we're seeing is not like a bad leader, although we are seeing a bad leader. What we're also seeing is just a gradual collapse and confidence in a political system

from everybody except people who are basically directly employed by it. Yeah, well, I mean, this is the thing. All of these guys had this brilliant chess gambit of we are going to like ride this loveless landslide into power. And at no point in any of this are we ever going to do anything that might make us popular. We're just going to become widely hated and stay that way. And then it's going to work out fine. Don't worry about it. And then they're going to do things like ban disposable vapes. which is now appears to be policy, but also like compensate, making sure that military families

are either exempted from or compensated for the imposition of VAT on private school fees. I thought you were going to save with the military families get to still vape. Okay. You get like janissary, like, erratissary privileges because your dad was in the royal signals or something and now you get to hit the disposable vape.

You have to be able to vape if you're in the royal signals because that is one of the signals. You just blow a fat cloud into the air. In fairness, in fairness, Daniel Khalif, the like, you know, hot guy who escaped from prison, the spy for Iran, he was in the Royal Signals and he's one of the vapingest men I've ever seen. And now he can send his kid to private school. So, well done, well done. One of the vapingest men are. He just has, you know, like how Anya Taylor Joy has a face that knows what an iPad is, right? By the same token, there's a guy who, it doesn't work if you put him in a sort of a context that doesn't have vapes in it. You're saying his lips know the taste of banana ice.

Yes. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. So we talked about West Streeting a little bit. Let's go into that a little more because there are a few developments. Yeah, I'm so angry about this one. Well, I had some developments about sort of his plans to digitize more of the NHS. It turns out of him pretty angry about those too. Evidence about how some of that works.

But then today, just today, actually, he appeared to what, speak in front of him. of a conclave of transphobic nurses or something? So like the deal with this is there's like half a dozen like turf nurses. I'm not even really turf, right? Because they're sort of sponsored by Christian concern. You may have heard of. Well, we should like dig into them at some point in the future. But like strange, like often US-backed evangelical lobbying group who do a lot of weird

activism like convincing parents of brain dead kids to like fight it out in the courts because Jesus will heal their like, you know, very sick. baby and then doesn't. One of the things that they also do is sponsor this all group of nurses whom West Streeting met with and apparently had a pretty sympathetic meeting where he was like, yeah, you know, sex is biological and we've gone wrong in our society and we have to like do something about this and the NHS is going to like be run under my watch along those principles. Uh, which is apart from anything else, a total humiliation to not just trans patients,

but I think a lot about trans healthcare workers, right? I said as much on Twitter, that I know a lot of people, trans people, who work in the NHS doing thankless jobs for fuck all pay across, like, inhuman hours. And their reward for this is West Streeting saying, yeah, but hold on, though, I know which bathroom you should piss in better than you. It's just, it's beyond insulting. It's beyond insulting to them, as you say. And you almost have to ask, like, at this point, what's it even for? I mean, it's not even like red meat, right? Because, The kind of people who like this stuff will never be satisfied, least of all by a Labour government.

It's, you know, I don't, some of it's the cruelty is the point, but some of it is just that, like, this is what West Racing personally believes. I don't know what's going on there, and it will be interesting to find out one way or the other, but, like, there is some deep personal transphobia going on behind this, because a lot of Tories, for instance, who were, like, perfectly happy to do this shit when it was convenient to them electorally would privately be like, Yeah, we know this is nuts. It's just, you know, this is what plays. But there's not really any, like, electoral calculus to be done here. It's just man who earnestly believes in this stuff. And that's much scarier to me. A man who earnestly believes in this stuff making sort of high-level decisions on healthcare

at a time when, like, you know, I see trans people self-reporting. Like, yeah, my GP just said they're not going to give me hormones anymore. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, a time where, you know, that kind of activity, which, like, Even in previous years, relatively recently, I would have been quite surprised at GPs refusing either on political grounds or personal grounds, or just quite simply, that they're worried that they might already be overstepping whatever the legislation is. It's a story of institutional capture fundamentally.

Like, the reason why GPs started doing this more often is because of guidance that came out of the Royal College of GPs, who you may remember Hillary Cass was a former president of, just gives you some sense of the kind of organizational culture at the top of that. It's the same thing that happened with the Equality and Human Rights Commission, right? Where these institutions that are sort of like supposed to be like fuzzy and woke and a political are very, very easy to destabilize if you're sort of like aiming in a targeted direction and that's exactly what happened. Well, it's almost a little like how councils are so easy to take for a ride because they have this relative, they end up with like a lot by just an amount of money standards, not a lot for running a local government standards of money that they've put like bill from accounts in charge. of managing, and then it's very easy to just walk in there, a place where no one's really looking, and do something that is extremely impactful and beneficial for you personally, because everyone's

looking at a lot of the bigger institutions. Why shouldn't run call and have a monorail? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and I mean, it's not unhelpful to think of this as a scam, functionally, in the sense that it is diverting time and resources from, you know, providing healthcare to burnishing the reputations of people with some, like, very self-interested and very weird agendas. A chilling portent of things to come. I mean... I mean, it's also probably worth noting that, like, trans healthcare is not, like, a thing in and of itself, right?

Like, it's sort of... It's kind of multi-departmental, and, like, I've spent quite a lot of time in maternity awards recently. And, you know, so it's very clear, like, not only how that all sort of, you know, the idea of, like, gendered medicine, how that's not really a thing, but also how, like, going into a ward, you sort of see how complex, like, how complex that all is. But what you also see is how, like, defunding, like, all the effects are sort of defunding, all of which is to say, but like, whatever move that is made to sort of, like, placate these

weirdos, and they are weirdos, like, don't get, like, even their beliefs about, like, women and, like, mothering and birthhood and all that stuff, like, it's really weird and actually very, very dangerous. Yeah. And, like, the consequence of this is just going to be, like, you already are going to have dwindling, struggling maternity wards that, you know, a lot of them, and even in London as well, you know, because, like, some backstory from my part, like, we, like, transferred to hospitals because two maternity wards were just not kind of up to standard, like, for the purpose

of safety, as in like, you would be in one of them and you're like, this could kill you if like, we stayed here. And like, that is going to be what a lot of these departments start to look like. And, you know, and I don't know how to explain, because it's already been explained and like, what is very clear from a lot of these freaks that seem to want to advance this to like own whatever trans people that they see online is that like, well, actually, and we should really call them out on this. Like, they are willing to let, they're willing to let a lot of people die needlessly to sort of placate their own bizarre, maniacal agenda. And I don't think you should, I don't think we should sort of like be around the bush on them. Absolutely. But if you want to talk also about

like a reduction in the quality of care, then also let's talk about not just West Streeting's wacko beliefs about like sex and gender. Let's talk about his wacko beliefs about the possibility that, um, you just have to throw a computer at the NHS to fix it. So this was one week ago today, as of day of recording, Stramer, supported by Streeting, said of the NHS, we need to go from analog to digital to use much better technology,

whether that's the ambulance services, hospitals, neighborhoods, and making, just generally making much more use of technology, which is fine, right? That's fine to say. That's true.

But the question is how, for what, in, as always, the question is how, who is supplying the technology, what oversight do you have over it? And is this, like, a fairly transparent way of getting around

deeper structural problem? Who is supplying the technology? Why is it G4S? Why are G4S doing it wrong? It's worse than G4S. It's fucking Palantir. It's going to be Palmer Lucky, the guy who like, you know, gets up on stage in his fucking Hawaiian shirt and talks about how cool it is to be part of a warrior cast.

I'm handing you a note. Attending you a note is Peter Thiel. It's Peter Thiel. Palmer Lucky is Anderil. It's another Lord of the Rings reference. Oh my God, these fucking nerds. If you've ever enjoyed the Lord of the Rings books, you should be thrown off the fucking at a stoop.

So this is the, it is Palantir who's doing this, where they are, one of the changes they're bringing is a single patient passport that allows you to bring information from GP to GP and so on and so on and so on. Again, a good idea to have, but as ever, instead of creating the state capacity to do these kinds of things, especially when it will be completely fucking impossible to ever change providers. The definition of vendor lock-in is we have all of the information that is customized to their pipes, to their servers, that is at interfaces with an app that they basically create the

entire back end of. How can you say, I don't want to be with Palantir anymore, I'd like to go with, you know, whatever other vendor. I just, I just also think about the still ongoing situation where a bunch of pathology in London, a bunch of biomedical sciences, cannot get done because it was all underpinned by one system, which was then hacked by like a ransomware gang and so you just couldn't get blood tests done. Oh yeah. And also this constantly happens with the NHS already. Like, I mean, one of my friends worked in like middle management in the NHS and he says that like they are constantly like sold new IT systems which then like mysteriously

don't work with the other software that they use. And then the new IT system person they've employed like, oh, well, you could always use our software to do that other thing that you use other software for. And they're like, but it should work without software. And then it just never does. Crazy how that happens. This particular change is going to be a single source of all patient health information, test results, and letters, accessible by the app, which again, run by Palantir is, makes the, this thing that does sound relatively convenient, right, sound much more, oh, quite sinister. And in fact, you know, again, the aggregation of all, what I, one thing I always said, and I sort of, I stand by is that if data about you and other people who are roughly similar to you is being aggregated by someone, whoever's aggregating it gains power over you, because they are able to understand. stand you in ways that you might not.

They're able to be... They're putting your ass in a panopticon. No, they're going to put you in a really good baseball team. That's what Balanchet are up to. They're finding the healthiest guys in Britain and they're going to create an excellent baseball team. The London Mets are finally going to be up to scratch. There you go.

And also, we know, like, bringing all of this information together, a huge amount of, like, this digitized the NHS drive is being championed by Streeting and Starmer as a way to unlock a little bit of more copper wire, it can be ripped out of Britain's walls in the form of selling that information to pharmaceutical companies because the NHS is relatively unique and it is one umbrella organization, sort of, that manages the health of a huge number of people. And it's also worth noting, of course, that as per usual, there are lots of personal connections here. For example, and this is again noted by Ethan Schoen, who's been on this show a couple of times, who's very good at finding these things, is that Peter Mandelson is a lobbyist for Palantir.

who is friends with, the former boss of Joe Dancy, West Streeting's fiancé, who just got a 100,000 pound a year job at Labor HQ and was one of the candidates who failed to get elected, who also is a lobbyist, but that West Streeting himself was personally pushing very hard for NHS take up of Palantir's product

and referred to anybody who is skeptical about it as a tinfoil hat-wearing conspiracist. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, at Palantir, we've built a very buttery application. Yes, we have. I think you'll find that it just slides right in. We're not just talking about,

technology that works to invade privacy, because in the same week, there have been reports that OpenAI, their transcription tool whisper, which is heavily, heavily used by medical centers around the world to transcribe patient consultations with doctors, has now been analyzed by a number of engineers who've discovered about 50% of whisper transactions contain significant hallucinations. Oh, of course. Yeah. So now every doctor that you see, or every health professional that you is going to see in your chart that you said something that you didn't say. Yeah. But of course, the audio snippets that have to be deleted for data protection purposes.

Oh, of course. So, cool. That's fun. And so this is more information here. Another developer said he found hallucinations in nearly every one of 26,000 transcripts he created with Whisper. And the problem persists even in well-recorded short audio samples with clean backgrounds with another study uncovering 187 hallucinations in 13,000 perfectly clear

audio snippets. I mean, it's good that medicine doesn't typically involve a lot of, like, very technical or specific language, right? Yeah, of course. Because it's, because, you know, when the average person would obviously say something like myocarditis, you know, and not something that that sounds like with much more common short words. Yeah, the patient has an oak heart. I mean, that is true. The patient is a very stout person. But in one example, the research is uncovered. A speaker said, oh, he the boy. was going to, I'm not sure, exactly, Dr. Dr. Holderman, inaudible.

He, the boy, was going to, I'm not sure exactly, take the umbrella. But the transcription software then added, he took a big piece of a croissant, a teeny small piece. And I'm sure he didn't have a terror knife, but he killed a number of people. Fascinating.

Where did the terror knife come from? See, this is one of the only things I find funny about AI. It's also what's so terrifying about this, is that when it's unpredictable, it is unpredictable. Like, it just comes out of nowhere. Taking a cross and garlic into the doctor's surgery to ward off the receptionist. You can't get me. It's past 8.30 a.m. Some kind of, like, ghost in the machine of, like, every possible conversation that is stolen from anywhere.

Yields up the words, terror knife in, like, a GP consultation. It's so surreal. A speaker in another recording described, uh, two girls and one lady. Uh, whisper invented extra commentary, adding, two girls and one lady who were black. Oh, it's woke. It's like, they weren't white, by the way.

It's seeing that kind of Tumblr post from 10 years ago. The doctor was his mother. Doctor, illegible. Yeah, this is something we've seen actually before, where sometimes the system prompts for AI models, where it says that you are Gemini, you are a model, that blah, blah, blah, you're very helpful, et cetera. They will just include an attempt to make it more equitable

they'll include like black, Asian, woman, and so on to try to like make it not just always make white men. This nine-year-old boy who was gay. I wonder if that was that. But in a third transcription, Whisper invented a non-existent medication called hyperactivated antibiotics. I mean, shit, maybe they're cooking with that because that sounds too drastic. Yeah, it sounds cool. Start hyperactivating that shit. We got to get those before the Chinese do.

And the impact, of course, right, is that this could lead to huge amounts of faulty transcriptions over millions of recordings, which again, have all been deleted. It also is like, is this the most popular open source recognition model? It's built into huge amounts of things. And, you know, there are health tech companies based in Europe, like the French company, NABLA. It's basically an interface for Whisper. Like, that's its foundation model that it uses. That's a company named to say very carefully, by the way.

Yeah. Just fully looked up from the notes there. Now, Nabla said no model is perfect and that theirs require. Sorry. Uh-huh. Yeah, Nambl has said no model is perfect. And theirs currently requires medical providers to quickly edit and approve transcribed notes. But again, like, you can say all you want.

Everybody has to edit their transcribed notes. But if you're going to keep also putting pressure on people and say, the whole point of the transcription system is to save you time, because we're not going to hire more people, then what you're really doing is you're saying, hey, check the notes, but you don't have more time. But also, why is it like, adding in like whole sentences.

Because like even if you just get like the fucking inbuilt function on TikTok to transcribe something, it'll do it better than this. So the reason for that isn't that it's hearing something else and trying to make words out of it? The reason for that is that it will sometimes just go off on a tangent because it's always worth reminding people how generative AI works, which is that it's the assignment of tokens, a numerical value. And then it draws a graph, which it thinks continues that line.

Yeah. No, sorry, I understand that, but what I mean is, is in like, there are kind of, there are good transcription tools that exist that simply don't do this. Like, they might get things wrong, but they don't, like, add in whole sentences about, you know, who was, who was queer and latinx, by the way.

Yeah, it's that they don't, they don't do that because it's also because, like, they're not based on, like, generative AI. They're based on different underlying technology. Yeah. It's just that this is bad for that. Oh, okay, fine. One similar company, which is, by the way, important to note that we don't know if it uses Whisper as its foundational model is

Tortus, which is T-O-R-T-U-S, which is currently running a pilot program at Great Ormond Street Hospital. Dom Pimenta, the CEO of Tortus, I really wish his last name was Pimento. That would be fun. AI and healthcare is the only realistic solution to the workforce problem we have. Saying the quiet part loud, right? We can't keep tracing these people like shit all the time. We need to be able to like generate new staff. Yeah, we need to be able to generate new staff who will occasionally just like have their eyes roll back in their head and, you know, open their... Well, yeah, because this is the thing, right?

GP. The kind of assumed margins of failure, right? Because like any health system is going to make mistakes and kill people by accident, right? And we we bake that into the NHS as it currently stands that it has like, you know, malpractice and it has like accident and it has misprescription and all the rest of it, right? And if your nan dies of that, well, you know, we're very sorry, but this is just the cost of doing business. Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, right? Can't make an omelette without killing a few nans. Exactly. And we're witnessing those things being shifted to to, well, you know, we're very sorry that your transcript said that, you know, you started talking about the terror knife. But that's just an unavoidable part of health care in the 21st century.

That's just the way things have to be. You go into the doctor with an armake and you come out and you've been prescribed prep. And you're like, what's going on? We say these are things how things have to be because it is also people like West Streeting who spent the last six months going up and down the country saying the NHS is unfixable. It is in crisis. it is the worst it's ever been. There's no solution to this problem. We have to reform.

Everything is broken, right? As, he is, he's raising the, the opportunity. He's throwing up the ball for fucking Dom Pimenta to spike it. And who then goes on to say,

clinical staff waste a lot of their time doing admin. Imagine the cognitive load of all that work. Doctors are trying to see their patients while they're driving their car. What if we could create autonomous driving for doctors? Awesome. Put your doctor in a Tesla. This is sort of,

meaning, meaning, meaning, meaning more time of a doctor's day taken up with work because that doesn't mean the shifts are going to get shorter. Quite the opposite. Now you just have to work on your commute. But that was a metaphor. I don't think he was being literal about. Yeah, sure. But like, this is exactly the kind of thing. It's plausible that I would have believed. This is exactly the kind of thing that like is going to be shoehorned in. It's not going to necessarily going to be that. But it will be something as stupid as that. Yeah. And this is how none of the solutions are like really silly. It kind of reminds me of when I was about to go to secondary school,

my mom was a school governor at my primary school. And she got invited in her capacity as a school governor to go and view the comprehensive school that we were technically in the catchment for, which ended up getting shut down a few years later. But she went in, she had like a tour of the school and she looked at, she went in the school library and the librarian was there and she said, there aren't really any books in here? Is this the library?

And he was like, yeah. And then she's like, but if it's the library, why aren't there any books? And he just went, it's all on computers now, in it? And I feel like that that kind of approach is what's being taken with the NHS here. Just like, no, it's on computers, isn't it? Yeah, no, don't need any of that. Computer.

Yeah, don't need a doctor. We have an iPad. Get an email. Yeah, easy. I want to do our last segment here. We're running short on time, which is, I think probably, I've talked a lot in superlatives recently about the importance of certain events that have happened. For example, I think the Global Investment Summit that was hosted by the Stummer Government

a few weeks ago is probably one of the most consequential things for, life in Britain that has happened in recent years. I think in terms of something similar has happened in the United States recently. About six weeks ago, which I think we mentioned briefly at the time, a number of AI CEOs, including the Jensen Huang of Nvidia, Sam Altman of Open AI, Anthropic, Google, and so on, all went to the White House to have a meeting on AI energy infrastructure and national security. Yeah, Biden wanted to find out why his ping was so high. Yeah, Biden was like, where are my email's going? The other people who are there,

there are some people who you'd expect, like Gina Remba, like the Commerce Secretary, Energy Secretary, but most importantly, I think, in terms of thinking of, if you're interested in AI

and what states are doing with it and how states are going to react to it in the future. Oh, is it secure. Well, Jake Sullivan was also there. I have some thoughts about that. As well as John Podesta,

which was very funny. Yeah, the Clinton crime family in effect. But, you know, what we have talked about about. Yeah, we need a guy in this like, cyber security conversation to click on a bunch of like spearfishing emails. Yeah, it's don't do what Johnny Don't does. John Podesta opening his emails like on an iPad in the Oval Office.

Just like I could grow my penis right now. I'm going to click that. Oh, boy. What are you guys talking about? I'm on chat roulette. Oh, okay, don't listen to what they're saying. No, so, but when we talk about AI inevitably, in the UK, weirdly, we've talked about things like investment and planning. And to a lesser extent, but not to no extent have we talked about national security.

In the U.S., that conversation has, I would say, progressed an enormous amount in the last six weeks. And probably one of those very important national security memos has now been published. So that was the result. of this meeting six weeks ago with like Sam Altman and Jake Sullivan essentially. Yeah, no, we we super duper promise that this thing works and therefore it's a critical national security asset. You know, China can't get this and we have to get everything that we want and you have to guard it for us. Essentially, yes. I mean, Open AI said that it believes building additional infrastructure in the US for AI is critical to the country's industrial policy and economic

future. We appreciate, they said, the White House convening this meeting of hands. for us Foxes, as it is a recognition of the priority of infrastructure to create jobs, help guarantee the benefits of AI are widely distributed, and ensure America will continue to be the forefront of AI innovation, said the Open AI spokesman, after that meeting in late September. They also shared privately generated economic impact analysis with administration officials,

basically saying, look, if you built gigantic data centers fucking everywhere, it will create one trillion jobs, which we know from here is a lie. Just accident. doing like too cheap to meter nuclear energy, but using it for AI is one of the funniest and dumbest outcomes, I can imagine. Well, this is a huge part of what they were talking about because the other basically, right, that meeting happened. No one really knows what went on inside until this memo comes out. So a couple days ago, the memorandum on advancing the United States' leadership and

artificial intelligence, harnessing artificial intelligence to fulfill national security objectives, and fostering the state, security, and trustworthiness of artificial intelligence was released. Hey, you'll never turn that into an acronym. Yeah. This is now calling to mind AI Chernobyl. Comrade Diatlov, we can't shut the reactor down now. It's in the middle of generating a picture of Jesus as a crab beckoning Donald Trump out of the sea. Well, this might get dangerously close to AI Chernobyl in that one of the only ways you can plausibly do this are nuclear power plants.

So you just get regular Chernobyl, but it happened in order to provide you with shrimp Jesus. So the first principle that it says is the United States must lead the world's development of safe, secure, and trustworthy AI. To that end, the United States government and civil society will, and basically they say turn everything towards this. Civil society, academia, and so on, promote and secure the foundational capabilities. Quote, using all available legal authorities to assist in, for example, attracting and rapidly bringing to the U.S. all individuals of relevant technical expertise who would improve competitiveness in AI and related fields and so on.

If they actually knock this together, what they're talking about, what they're laying the groundwork for here is the kind of like AI equivalent of a Manhattan project, right? Like this is being written about the way nuclear physics was in the 30s. Or like Operation Clippy.

Yeah, there'll be a scene in the film where they will put like the protective glasses on, but instead of a nuclear explosion, it's just going to be one giant shrimp jeep. Jesus. Until someone invents a shrimp, yeah, Jesus. Like a man breaking down in tears because he sees a woman with three tits. Mushroom cloud size.

So, for example, right? This is November, you, I know you joke, but like this is... No, I don't. Well, yeah, this is quite directly sort of beat for beat, more or less the same as Nationals NSC-68. Yes. All of the fucking tragedy and pathos of the, like, you know, Cold War, but over Shrimp Jesus, you're going to get like the fucking, they're going to have to execute a modern-day Rosenbergs for like leaking how to make Shrimp Jesus pictures to China. For leaking the prompt that makes the best one.

Yeah. They can't spare the electricity for the electric chair. It's all going into making Shrimp Jesus. The logic, the structure, the goals and a lot of the like means were quite similar to the massive buildup of nuclear arms in the early, as you say, early Cold War. It's genuinely like if you had done Oppenheimer, but the bomb didn't work, like ever. And then the back third of the movie is just Oppenheimer going, wow, that was a waste of time. Yeah, and so I am one day going to become death. Any second now.

Yeah, the back third of the movie was actually Oppenheimer going around every government office going, like the bomb's totally going to work. It's going to work so hard. It's actually going to kill us all. That's how much it's going to work. Yeah, sort of is what happened. It kind of did. Like, yeah, Fermi was like, yeah, what if it just fucking ignites the atmosphere? So, yeah, nothing new under the sun except that I genuinely, but you might think to yourself, right? Well, if the US government is taking this at this higher level completely seriously, maybe there's something in this.

Do not be fooled. Everyone involved in this is absolutely stupid enough to be betting everything on a technology that is a huge waste of time. Jake Sullivan said, private companies are leading the development of AI, not the government. And that's one of the distinctions actually between sort of the the 1950 memo and this one, which is that like this is, that was largely seen as a state led activity because it needed to be, you know, kept secure. So I was saying private industry wasn't involved. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got Matt Damon involved, as I recall. Yeah. Not that

it wasn't involved. You know, like I say, far from, not involved. But this is so different. Leslie Groves in the movie because it's a military project. This is essentially, you know, the, the U.S. national security community looking at open AI or anthropological. or whatever and saying, okay, you're now securitized. You are now as Natsack as like Boeing, as far as we're concerned. We're going to bring you into the fold, which means we are going to protect you and nurture you forever. By the way, the last guy we did this for was Elon Musk, and that has been biting us in the ass constantly, like every six months minimum ever since we did that. It's so funny he spent two years on the phone to Putin while being a high level national security

contractor. Not to get too mule as she wrote, but that is basically treason. And it doesn't matter because he's one of the, he has been securitized. He's a critical national security asset for some fucking reason. This is our critical national security dip shit. This is this one Redditor holds the entire edifice of like the space program together. I have been speaking a lot with this, this Elon Musk. He tells me that things in America are very epic. I do not understand what this means. You're telling me that the American space program is being held together by a sort of esoteric fascist.

Oh my God. Unprecedented. Yeah, I mean, the fact that he just, he only thinks in memes. The point of studying history is to be able to remember something that the current situation is a bit like and then waggle your eyebrows a lot. Studying history is 80% reading 20% forehead exercise. I mean, the guy thinks purely in memes. I mean, if anyone has ever been an NPC who gets his chip replaced occasionally and is mad about the current thing, it is Mr. Like, the based Ural Chads are going to overrun the they, them army, like getting a phone call back from Donald Trump switching out his chip and becoming like, I'm the dark MAGA based democracy defender or whatever. It is, it is very amusing to just see him switch effortlessly between these things. Well, forgetting he's a national security contractor, but also having his companies be so individually a lynchpin in.

things that everybody still needs to suffer him. It is... Yeah, speaking of suffering him, it's interesting to use that phrasing, because I'm trying to figure out what off-ramps there are for anybody who wants to be rid of a turbulent Elon Musk. And I genuinely can't think of any besides taking a swim off the back of his yacht. Like, there's not to say that I think it should happen, although I do. It's just that I don't... I mean, it could have been Zuckerberg, right, if they had the MMA fight. Agent Zuck. You've been injected with experimental CIA hyperdiased fucking antibiotics.

Another thing about studying history is that you get to do counter history. And I do imagine a lot of counter history will be like, what if Elon and Zuck did have the MMA fight? Like, how would that have, would that have humbled Elon enough to like not do the weird X jump at every opportunity? Like sliding doors stuff, you know, would have changed the course of his life. I think to see him do the fucking little star jump with two broken. legs.

Because the way to think about these guys is increasingly they're basically kings of stuff. And they're not even good at swinging swords around. This guy isn't even good at jumping. Yeah. Yeah, he'd be easily defeated by the MP for Roncorn. Well, that's the way out of it. We deploy, we lure Elon Musk to Cheshire of a sort of Saturday night and we just wait and see what happens.

I'm saying that these guys are basically like becoming, you know, kings. And, you know, this is, this is Sam Altman sees his opportunity to become a nation state, essentially. I mean, Jensen Huang writes about sovereign AI as like the most important end goal of, of what he's doing, which he refers to as a nation's capabilities to produce AI using its own infrastructure data workforce and business networks. And so like the whole point of private companies like leading the development of AI, not the government, is regardless of whether or not it does work, what it represents is a huge capture of a huge amount of. capacity by a shrinking number of people. It's also pretty funny because we don't really produce anything autothonously in the West anyway. Like the stuff, like, okay, you can say that we're producing a, like, we've got our own AI Dea centers, like they're not in like China or whatever, but we don't, we don't make

the computers in the West. So, what we actually, again, that's also a very important factor here, which is that for a very long time, the only place that could really make those computers was Taiwan, but a TSM owned Fab in Arizona just increased its output beyond the Fab in Taipei for the first time. So a huge amount of investment is going into

this stuff. Another one is the expectation of the national security community in America is that the demands of AI use in the way that they're looking at, which is generating AGI, creating God, but also using God to spy on people, is going to increase America's overall

energy demand by 25%. Oh, good. Overall. Put it that way, that seems like both a lot and also weirdly low. To be like, yeah, we invented God. He's going to put your electricity bill up. Like a bit. Yeah, he's a bit juicy to run. He's like a C-63 AMG, you know.

Very powerful, but like it does come at a guy. Not good for a daily driver. Yeah, God on the one hand, like sanctions on Russia, on the other hand. These will have about the same effect on your heating bill. Yeah. So they also say, right, and this will be, we recognize this when we talked about data centers in Britain, with Paris, that the government shall coordinate efforts to streamline permitting approvals and incentives for the construction of AI enabling infrastructure as well as surrounding assets, especially data

centers and nuclear clean energy generation plants to be hooked up to those data centers. So, like, they are much in the same way we did with an economic development lens. With the national security lens, the U.S. is doing largely the same thing, or at least their appropriations. Which is funny, given that last I heard, they were having some serious risks about having to, like, physically secure just their power grid. There was this thing from the NERC that came out a few years back that they've since been very quiet about, which you hope is because they're remedying it, that like you could with like no tools and a small group of people take out nine substations and like one manufacturer in the US and the US power grid would be irrecoverably damaged, like would just be off indefinitely. So, you know, uh, well, that's why in fact a lot of these nuclear reactors won't be going into the power grid in general.

they will be powering particular data centers. Uh-huh, because that's way more important. Uh-huh. We built God and then we killed it on a power cut because we didn't get like a surge protector for our PC. So when the power went out, we just killed God by accident. Well, God's kind of like a Furby.

Like, even if you take the batteries out, he's quite hard to shop. Like, you have to lock him in a dark cupboard. Tamagoduchu. I have one theory about this, which is that I remember when we talked about wire card. Their escape plan was Deutsche Bank, where they'd buy Deutsche Bank, then hide all the crime in Deutsche Bank's gigantic book. You think that Open AI's escape capsule is the federal

government? I think their escape capsule is to basically become a privately owned department of the federal government that's also considered to be the most important and at the center of all the others. Yes. I mean, it's a good plan. This is the first smart idea to come out of Open AI, to be honest. It's simple. We take over the government. Yeah, they're stealing the declaration of Independence. Well, no, we're going to AI generate the Declaration of Independence. It's going to kind of start normal,

but it'll get weird. It's going to say some stuff about the terror knife. It's going to be like, John Hancock, who was gay and black, also. Another possible audience for this is, like, U.S. allies. So, for example, the U.S.

and the UAE have struck a deal related to building a huge amount of, like, data centers and power plants in the UAE. Don't the U.A.E struggle with access to like water? I guess you could...

That you use to cool the data centers. Also, isn't it hot of and dog shit in the UAE? Shouldn't you build data centers somewhere where it's naturally cold? Look, don't ask me these questions. What do I look like? Jake Sullivan? We're going to park 40 Ferraris inside the data center with their windows and doors open,

running the aircon full blast just to keep the data center cool. It's going to be fine. Wouldn't that still ultimately generate slightly more heat than cool? Well, no. No, no, no. Don't worry about it. It's not as if we've been. doing that on like a civilizational scale.

Yeah, but look, you can also cool those data centers and you can call the aircon that is like cooling both centers by getting some fans from like Sainsbury's and Tesco and cooling them with the fans. That's right. Like a little old lady who cooled down a fly situation. That's right. Yeah. But when we talk about this deal,

right, the government deal between the two countries was following and supporting a private sector deal between Microsoft and G-42, the UAE tech investment company. So, you know, this is like private sector at every way is like leading the charge here and the state is just basically building the infrastructure around them as they go. But what Sullivan says further is one thing is for

certain, if we don't rapidly build out this infrastructure in the next few years, adding tens or even hundreds of gigawatts of power to the grid, we risk falling behind the implied China. In what? Like, ability to generate shit? Someone else will develop the free boob Jesus shrimp with shrimp on their hands. realistically, right, this is, let's take it on its own merits, which is let's say that it does what they want it to do. Right. The idea is we risk falling behind in the creation of the genie that we assume is going to be able to like just sort of give us whatever we want. And we need a huge amount more power to create, well, you know, God basically because the Chinese will build God first. I mean, this is.

That's fine. It wasn't expected to be Chinese. If anything. If anything, this is, I remember we read that article by Henry Kiss and. and the other AI guys quite a while ago. This is the National Security memo that that article wanted to inspire. See, his legacy is still alive.

Well, indeed. I crib some of this in the ACLU. The member writes frequently about the need to protect human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, privacy, and safety. And that list of good things is copied and pasted again and again and again and again throughout the document such that you'd sort of, and again, this is from the ACLU's AI security project.

They say, quote, you'd forget this a memo exists to repair bureaucracies to carry out the work of developing and integrating artificial intelligence into every aspect of the nation's military intelligence security and law enforcement operations. It is about improving the surveillance and investigative capabilities, securing diplomatic and military advantages, and improving the lethality of its soldiers and weapons. But by repeating, like a mantra, human rights, civil rights, civil rights, civil liberties, privacy, and safety, this document seems to say, we're the good guys, because that's what we're doing, unlike the bad guys who are trying to build the same capabilities to do the opposite. And what goes unsaid, this is me again,

and is that the extent of this data collection that will need to continue, if all of this compute and nuclear energy is to be used, right? If you're going to require the U.S. to generate 25% more electricity, you're going to need a huge amount more data, more data than exists, which means you have to start gathering more data on everything and everybody, which I imagine will make the Patriot Act look very, very, very small potatoes. And, you know, the memo itself, which I've read a couple of times, it's quite dense, makes clear that there's a risk management framework that prevents someone from being monitored simply for the exercise of a right guaranteed under the Constitution, if they're American. It's very easy to find some additional justification to like,

surveil Palestinian rights activists, for example, or surveil any non-American as invasively as you want for any reason you want. And in fact, I'll ask the system to cludge together any justification you need to do whatever you want to them. And all of this is, going to be overseen by opaque in agency oversight boards, which again is one of these things that sounds quite technical. But the fact is they're trying to get around their ever being a church commission in the memorandum creating the mandate to build God. Well, you know, as Nietzsche would say if he was alive now, God, God is alive and he's Chinese. So we must kill him. He was dead, but he's back and Chinese. They've built God in China. Incredible things.

things are happening in China. They've built God. And he's Chinese. He's speaking Mandarin. He says, hello Jesus. He doesn't call him Jesus. He calls him something Chinese.

I don't know. I don't know what he says. But they're speaking Chinese. The Holy Spirit, too. They're speaking in. He's eating. He's eating the sacrament with chapsticks. He's using little chopsticks.

Okay. He's having dim sum. Chinese God up in heaven. St. Peter, he's up there too. He's also having him some. He's enjoying Bon toast. He's got a little wispy beer. Really, really enjoying the theological implications of God, the father, taking the Eucharist.

Yeah, it's kind of like self-suck. Oh, come on. There are a few things that November and I were talking about earlier. I was talking about. I didn't anticipate that this podcast would end up in. Any of the direction? Were any of them Chineseus? When we were talking about, when we were talking about the script for the, for the Nixon thing

at the beginning, we were talking about also. Yeah, that's right. Two people worked on that. Could you do, well, one person worked on it that asked for the other person to say if it was good. But we talked about all the stuff that we think that would be fun to get a cameo of Trump saying. And number one, because I want, when he, when he loses again, right, I want to get a cameo from, him in prison because I think that I hope they'll let him you know and when they do I want a cameo

of Trump saying Frank Colombo yeah name Frank Colombo it's gonna cost you four packs of cigarettes to get a cameo for me Donald Trump maybe one candy bar I think I think uh yeah him saying Frank Columbo would be great uh Mr former president you have some mail here uh it appears that a um a woman in Scotland uh is entering the make a wish foundation because her blood is fucked up. Yeah, because I really really want to wish. I got the disease of wanting to have a wish real bad. I got the disease of thinking about what it would be.

I have no wishes. My only wish, my fondest wish is to hear you say the name Frank Colombo. But now I have another one, which is, I want him to list all of the dim sum that there is. Oh, go. Jumai. I'd love to do that. They're having Jesus and God. They're having Jaalongbao.

They're drinking the soup. One of the few things that AI is good for that's funny is Donald Trump's singing in Mandarin. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. We need to build a nuclear power plant so that can keep happening. So Peter is having one of the little egg buns.

They're kind of sweet but also salty. You can't quite say if it's a dessert or not. I like to meet this general social sometime. I can't believe what I was trying to talk about. What I was trying to talk about was we say it is, it sounds quite like, you know, like spotish and technical to say that, oh, they're going to rely on internal oversight mechanisms rather than like a visible democratic accountability.

But that's sort of what makes national security overreach tick. And what this is is a gigantic private sector led for just the requirements of their models. They need more data to train the models because otherwise they're going to have to like get feedstock that was generated by itself, right? they need a huge number of more ways to intrude into people's lives and spy on them. And, you know, because they want to build God before the Chinese do, the American national security community is perfectly willing to turn all of the resources of its gigantic spy apparatus to their ends so long as they say, we can build God as long as he's American. And, you know, the other thing, right, to note here as well is that counterintelligence is going to become very significant where like AI infrastructure and intellectuals, property is going to be now listed among official counterintelligence priorities.

But, and you know, that you have to ask as well, what's this going to mean for all of the tech guys who are going to Iowa orgies all the time? Is Ayala going to have to get national security clearance? Mr. President, so we believe that these people indicated here came in the fluffer. I'll never be able to look at one of those diagrams the same. Henry, Henry, where do we stand on my birthday party? God, these people are sick. Cayman,

Haldeman. Inaudibly. I'll fluff him for you, Mr. President. Oh, Elk, Clinton? I'll do it. They can come in me. That's no problem. That's Elvis.

That's Milo's Elvis. Milo's Elvis is very Clintonian. I just want to be a cop. Anyway, look, what all of this amounts to, I think is an announcement of an intention to do something much bigger and more autonomous than the Patriot Act.

When I read this national security memo, that's what I see in it. Oh, good. Yeah, I see the, using a lot of powers that have already, they have been conferred, because a memo is different from an act, right? But that using all of the powers

that have already been conferred upon it by, you know, previous administrations, including the Patriot Act, very much so, using these kinds of precedents, the idea is going to be to advance surveillance, because that's what it requires to make AI work. It requires surveillance to advance a huge amount more surveillance into more people's lives and to make enforcement of, let's say, national security priorities, much more sort of powerful and present. You know, I mean, so Open AI, its response to this

particular memo was, we believe a democratic vision for AI is essential to unlocking its full potential and ensuring its benefits are broadly shared. By democratic, they of course mean like liberal democracies, i.e. the U.S. Not democratizing AI. They say AI is a transformational technology that can be used to strengthen democratic values or to undermine them. That's why we believe democracies should continue to take the lead in AI development, guided by values like freedom, fairness, and respect for human rights. And it's why we think countries that share these values should understand how with the proper safeguards.

They're going to make a dictatorial AI in China. AI can help protect people, deter adversaries, and even prevent future. conflict. We're already collaborating with DARPA to help cyber defenders better protect critical networks. We're already collaborating with US aid, which is using chat GPT to reduce administrative burdens for staff. We're also see opportunities to deepen our collaboration with the US National Laboratory and our bioscience research partnership with Los Alamos. And of course, what they're not saying there is partnering with the FBI, CIA, ICE, local police forces, all of these sort of enforcement arms of the state. So, you know, that is, you know, that is,

you know what, putting my marker down, let's see where it goes. And, you know, let's debate after November, let's see who takes this forward in which ways. But, you know, anyway, anyway, we've gone very long. So I want to say, once again, thank you very much for listening to this free episode of TF. There are shirts if you wish to cover your torso. Shirts are good. Yeah, the shirts are great. I love the shirts.

I'm going to actually, I never really wear the shirts except to sleep. I will wear the Avignon Pope's one. I'm going to wear the Avignon Ponce. To be like, yeah, most, most of the shirts are kind of. pieces of shit, but these two, pretty good. I wear the shirts all the time. I sort of live in them to the point where my wife is just like, please wear one of your other shirts. They drag the average of my wardrobe up because, like, I have so many of them.

I have so many shirts. Ultimately, if I'm reaching for a t-shirt, it's probably going to be one with one of our bits on it. So far we've had, I hate the shirts and my wife hates the shirts. I wear them all the time because they're Chinese, beautiful. I just did a straightforward endorsement. I was able to like endorse these. They're good shirts. I don't hate the shirts.

I feel weird wearing my own brand. Uh-huh. It'd be like, what if Calvin Klein wore Calvin Klein? Uh-huh. I think you've really-Riley in collaboration with Riley for Riley by Riley. Yes, that's right. I'd wear that. Anyway, uh, I really like both of them.

I like the banished lagoon one. I love the Avignon Popes one. I'm already... Oh, no, interesting. So you're racing them oppositionally. I think it's so, so sad, we pit t-shirts against each other, you know? We teach them to shrink themselves,

to make themselves smaller after a couple of washes. Yeah, it's kind of a pick-me t-shirt, the Lagoon one. Oh, my God. I've driven myself crazy with national security medals today. If you find both of the t-shirts, it's cheaper. The listener can't see this, but Riley is wearing Aiden Jones merchandise currently. You're wearing another guy's merch, that's fine.

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