TRASHFUTURE - It's The Void, Folks

Episode Date: March 26, 2019

No guest this week, as the boys instead sit down solo to discuss the nihilistic right wing death cult that’s getting whipped into an upward spiraling murderous frenzy by the extremely respectable media. Why do they all rush to distance themselves from the things they encourage their readers to do? Why is it that when we make up a fake Brendan O'Neill article, the real Brendan O'Neill writes it basically verbatim? Do you want more Commie Book Club? Access this month's episode (an examination of the work of Mark Fisher) by subscribing to the Patreon, and you can get all our other weekly bonus episodes, too: https://www.patreon.com/posts/25530712 *LIVE SHOW ALERT* We'll be performing live at Bristol Transformed on Friday, April 5th at 8 pm. The venue is Hamilton House 3A, 80 Stokes Croft, Bristol BS1 3QY. https://www.facebook.com/events/814946762200366/ View the Facebook event page here: https://www.facebook.com/events/814946762200366/ *COMEDY KLAXON*: On March 27 at 8pm, Milo will host another Smoke Comedy at the Sekforde (34 Sekforde Street London EC1R 0HA). This show costs £5 and will feature all new material from duo Moon, our own beloved Olga Koch (@rocknrolga ), Michael Capozzola, and Patrick Spicer. Buy tickets here: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/smoke-comedy-featuring-moon-tickets-58000795942 Also: you can commodify your dissent with a t-shirt from http://www.lilcomrade.com/, and what’s more, it’s mandatory if you want to be taken seriously. Do you want a mug to hold your soup? Perhaps you want one with the Trashfuture logo, which is available here: https://teespring.com/what-if-phone-cops#pid=659&cid=102968&sid=front

Hang on. What do I hear in the distance? Is that? And the dress from friend of the show, Brent and O'Neill. In the wake of the tragic Ethiopian Airlines' plane crash last week, the Western liberal intelligentsia have been taking upon themselves to become aviation experts. The keyboard warrior journalists of Twitter are asking hysterical questions like, is the Boeing 737 MAX safe and what is being done to prevent another such tragedy? One thing they seem to have picked up on is the idea that Boeing should not sell so-called safety features as extras, but that rather safety should be included as standard.

But should the owners of safety be on the manufacturer of the plane or on the airline for buying it? Why should Boeing have to give away their patented safety features for free, just because hundreds of people might die? Deaths in aviation are of course unfortunate, but this is the thin end of the wedge. If Boeing have to start giving away safety equipment for free with their $100 million planes, then where does it end? Should airlines start getting jacuzzis installed on their planes for free, or have them fitted with petting zoos at no extra cost? This is madness. Beyond the frothing of the anglophone chattering classes, though,

Boeing are actually being investigated by the FBI over this. Look, should we get to the bottom of this tragedy and why it happened? Certainly. But should that be left to government bureaucrats? Absolutely not. Boeing should be regulated by the free market. If they continue to kill their passengers, then surely people will switch to a different plane? If I were killed by a Boeing plane, I would certainly do this. We should allow a free and fair debate in the marketplace of ideas. If plane crashes are truly as tragic as we all believe them to be, then why are we so afraid to hear out Boeing's ideas about them being a part of the travel experience? If we're right, then we should easily be able to

best them in a healthy and robust discussion by shining a light on their arguments. Personally, I believe that liberal-minded people in the Grand Libertarian tradition have a free market duty to travel by private plane, enabling them to bring guests of all ages with them to their private island, or private islands, all while enjoying the relaxed deregulated atmosphere of international waters with celebrity friends. Boeing being told to include safety features for free is an attack on their freedom of speech, which is always the first victim in these situations. We saw this again with the tragic attack in Christchurch, New Zealand, where almost 50 Muslims were shot dead by a maniac as they prayed. No sooner had condolences been offered to the

victims than the Trotskyite commentary of North London, where insisting that hardworking newspaper columnists and YouTubers could somehow be to blame for radicalising this Islamophobe, simply because they regularly advance to Islamophobic points and encourage their audience to be Islamophobic. I personally have nothing but the utmost sympathy for the victims of this heinous attack, but in some ways I envy them that they never had to live to see this devastating attack on the freedom of speech. As a wise man once said, the pen is mightier than the sword, and truly, once again, it is we the columnists who become the true victims, not to actual violence, but to the far more insidious violence of senseless accusations

of having no integrity whatsoever. Dear reader, I fear we are on a plane headed in the wrong direction in a nosedive towards a Stalinist state where nothing true can be said, but it isn't the Boeing 737 MAX we are flying on. No, this is a new model with all the safety features, the Boeing 1984. All right, put in the theme song. Oh my god! Man, why do we even do the rest of the show? That's your weaken news from me, my love. Why do we even bother? At this point, it's we could just do the fake Brendan cast. Yeah, a spin-off podcast. It's like this, Balthasar Speedboat, and then like Brendan O'Neill cast. Some of us listen to the Spike podcast,

but others listen to the Sporked podcast. Love to get Sporked. Some of us just like to squat beside a 1997 Lexus that's glowing. Some of us just like to hang out with women who are all butt and then a bunch of rottweilers and hold a lot of fake diamonds and then fan out a bunch of 20s. Exactly. Like that's how we do what we do. Your Lexus may be glowing, but my Lexus is bappin. The thing about, look, here's the thing. You know what the thing is? We've had a lot of fun here today, folks. Hi, guys. We've had a lot of fun today. It's pretty serious. Sits backwards on chair. I'm going to wrap with the kids about what it means to be productive,

which is when you design 20,000 album covers for various hip-hop artists throughout the early 2000s and late 1990s. Somehow you still look like you're a management consultant in the mid-2000s with like a suit that's too large for you, but also like a goatee. What I'm saying is that's so many album covers. He was doing like more than one a day. I mean, it was a team, but yeah, they had 20,000 in 10 years. So for the listeners reference, we got on a kick of looking up pen and pixel album covers because this is our job because these guys had never heard of them before because that's the thing we do. And yeah, we discovered the pen and pixel in their heyday was making the no limit album covers, but they made 20,000

from 1993 to 2003. And it's like, wait a minute, that's like three a day. I mean, that's so many Photoshop, Ling, Mercedes, planes, guns, glow, glowing text, diamond text. They will be original like content hounds. Yeah, but okay, but here's what I'm saying. If Theresa May sold the Brexit deal with a cover of her holding two Rottweilers on chains, standing in front of like an obviously used late 1990s Rolls Royce Phantom with some lettering in like diamond clouds above her that said, you'll never approach the style. Then I think it would have been a bikini lying on the bonnet of the Phantom. One of my favorites was there was a mystical album and there was like it was him

like pensively like like holding his face like he's locked in thought. And then there was like an orb and inside the orb was like him squatting in like camo gear. And it's like him in like his fly white silk suit envisioning himself decked out in camo gear. It's like I'm literally in my own thought bubble. It's like how hard you have to be to achieve that. I always had mystical down as a deep sinker. You know, I for sure I have shaken my ass, but did I watch myself? He's a man. He's a man who's who the tips of his fingers have been glued together. So they're always tended. All I know about mystical is there was a line in one of the songs in a Master P album. He says I'm the man who go. The man who go. I piss on your porch and I shit in your house

He makes it rhyme. So she's in my house. Exactly. I'm joking. I don't have a house. That's the thing. Fuck. Fuck. Ollie Robbins. Let's get Ollie Robbins out of here. Mystical for Brexit negotiator. I mean, to be fair, I think Master P does. He does actually still have the no limit tank, which means he could probably intimidate both the ERG and the European Commission. Wait. Hang on. No limit. How to tank. No limit. How to tank. I mean, I think it was like a it was like a modified sort of track vehicle, but they call it the no limit tank and they drove around in it. Yes, didn't have a cannon. I'm pretty sure that it was in the make him say oh video. Yeah, what are like all it's it's it's some it's some 90s classic stuff. Yeah, amazing. I can't

remember who there was a very like a underage member of New Limit who was too young to drive, but who was signed to them. Not too young to fly, baby. Oh, no. I don't. I guess Jeffrey Epstein was doing his thing at that point, but no, I don't think they ever cross. Oh my God, a Jeffrey Epstein pen and pixel drawing in the fucking play. Okay, listeners, remember how I said, don't order as peas at Weatherspoons. Do not under any circumstances make us a Jeffrey Epstein pen and pixel album cover with two kids. I've got an idea. So, you know, I want to pitch this to the Adam Smith Institute, but my revolutionary idea for an app is that you can sit in any Weatherspoons and request a pen and pixel composition, any sort of form that you

and the staff have to do it. It's the pivot to the consumer. It's, you know, it used to be that the staff would just relax between pouring beers, but now they have to draw an early 2000s, late 1990s hip hop album, Rottweiler based artwork for you. Isn't this stuff really just like the purest form of content though? It's sort of like, you know, before like content became really niche with Instagram where like advertisers target the very specific things that they think that you like. This is just like, okay, well, we don't really have an idea of what you think we like. So we're going to give you everything just in one go. Just like guns, cars, money. You like low ride jeans. We'll throw some low ride jeans in there. We like Rottweiler. You want to answer

any miller phone? You've never seen this one. This is the most amazing one. Oh, that one's so good. Okay. So here's the thing, right? You've got to realize what's going on in this. Throw it up, Jamie. Here's, here's the. Jesus Christ, those guys are terrible. This is fucking rip you apart. So he's got a mansion. He's got a walkway to his mansion with gold bricks. He's got an amusement park in the back of the huge ferris wheel. His mom is pouring in cereal. The cereal, the box has his face on it and the cereal is nothing but diamonds. Staring at the camera while he's eating his diamond. What is he, his dive material? I also love that like that was back in the days when a pop star having an amusement park in the back garden

of their mansion was just fine. It was a normal thing. We just like guys, just like the roller coasters. Okay. We just like the roller coasters. Don't worry about the cabin behind the roller coasters. Nothing is hot. No, yeah. No, that's the thing. That's the great thing about if you're a celebrity to an amusement park, you can be like, yes, it's haunted and that's all that's what the screams are. So pen and pixel stuff. I find really funny because it like, you know, obviously this is a very American thing, but it's like, I view this in the context of stuff like Pimp My Ride, for example, where like when they pimped out the car, again, it was just a situation of like, yo dog, we heard you like this. So we put this inside this. That's still a very British aesthetic,

though. That aesthetic has not left the UK. Well, kind of. I think like even the British Pimp My Ride was sort of reserved and I don't know whether that's because like Westwood didn't have the same kind of charisma as Exhibit. But like Pimp My Ride US was very much like you have this big truck, so we're just going to put like a flat screen TV in there. We're going to put like a cooker in there. Like when your wife divorces you, you're going to have everything that you need to like live inside. British Pimp My Ride was about divorced dads, whereas like American Pimp My Ride was about fulfilling your dreams. American Pimp My Ride was about having a fucking PS2 in the back of your hatchback. Yeah. So you could, so you could play Metal Gear Solid 2 Sons of Liberty while

driving. I never saw the British Pimp My Ride, but the American one, the idea was that the theme always had to be like, even to the point of absurdity, it had to be kept with. Like the guy had a, I want to say it was like a Daewoo high jet or something like that or a Dotson or like an old, old, old, like early 80s Japanese minivan and the name had high jet in it. So like jet, they're like, okay, we're going to fuck with this. So they turned the old minivan and like they kitted it out in nothing but like airplane stuff. So we had like airplane seats in the back of it and like all this like air, because like, oh, it's a jet, right? And it's like, wow, you could have just bought him a better car, but instead you made this shitty 1981 minivan into a jet. It's still

going to break down, but it just looks cool. You can play PlayStation while you wait for breakdown cover. So folks, we're, we're in the Pimp My Ride, our country edition, because, yo dog, we heard you like Brexit. So put a Brexit if you're going to put a Brexit in your country. So you can leave while you leave. We heard you like Brexit. So we put our planning commission for Brexit in a nuclear bunker. Officials. So you can blow up your country while you blow up your country. Is that retro now? Is our exhibit 4chan memes retro now? Were those 4chan memes? They were 4chan memes. I mean, I guess 4chan wasn't necessarily as sinister at one point.

Yeah, back when I was posting on it. Oh, God. Back when I used it just to look at a single boob. All right. So you may remember my prolific posting career as a racism lord 420. Yeah, then obviously. Anyway, yeah, so it looks like we're, it looks like we're going to the bunker, folks. Britain has decided that it wants to end its own society, apparently, because we're just going to ruin all of our supply chains, which seems like we're just not going to live in a society anymore. It's just the trash boys and Ava Brown eating, eating Twinkies 400 feet below the Earth's crust. So I just found it very funny because like there was that male front cover, which was going around, which was just like, okay,

so Brexit's gone to shits again, and we're putting the entire army inside a nuclear bunker. But like no one quite knows why. And then like all these kind of hard Brexit is just like, well, okay, things are going to be super shit, but we'll get through it. It'll be fine. You know, it'll be cool. There was this guy I met on a plane over in Snash the Waters. He said it was, he said it'd be okay. He said it would be all right. Um, yeah, I, he said there's always one thing you can export as long as I've got a plane and fuel to put it in. But I'm just going to ask future Nate exactly how Brexit has gone between the recording and the release. The Tories led by Michael Gove tried to unseat Theresa May, but their coup failed before it even

began. Also, if I'm not mistaken, I believe it was the times or maybe the telegraph, uh, ran a cover with Boris Johnson trying to quote exodus and talk about let my people go, not realizing that the next sequence of events in that biblical tale involves wandering through the desert for 40 years. So that's your Brexit update. Always witty and informative. I learned so much from that. It's going to change a lot of what I do in my day to day life. I sure as hell can't believe that happened. Anyway, it's not just going to be a ban on Yu-Gi-Oh cards. Wow. I never really understood Brexit. It wasn't relevant until now.

But that's really not kind of what I want to talk about because, you know, if you want to go listen to daily Brexit updates, you can listen to the Romaniacs, which is what I assume they do. That's not kind of what we do. Instead, I've kind of, I've been noticing as, as have I think a lot of other people, the extent to which the mask has slipped from a lot of the right wing in this country. I say as I put off my V-mask revealing my craft. I'm actually future. I'm not Joker. I'm future. I'm rapper future. But that the mask has slipped to from, it's been the last couple of years from just trying to articulate a position incoherent and wrong-headed as it might be to basically just inciting violence on a regular basis. And I think the Andrew Tate Brexit.

Yeah. It's basically like, no, our lives have to get worse. We must, we must do this. No matter what happens, even if it's literally impossible, it must be done. Well, it's, it's, it's big. Like people like Marc Francois, the sort of insane Brexiter MP from Essex. Oh, it's cool because he has a, he has a fancy French, French last name. He has a fancy French last name and he's really hate the French. You have to think like the French. He's the personification of family court. But like the, like the, this sort of glib willingness to just sort of threaten violence, whether it's against your political against us realistically as the left or against against Muslims against even just MPs and so on has skyrocketed and like this used to just be

a, I don't know if you suggest be, but like the sun late last year, when, when it was confronted with the idea that Brexit might not be the totalizing transformation of society into a racist 1950s cartoon ran the following, an article with the following line. Do you, you let us put the gollywags back on the jam. I mean, kind of. That's what you need to hear realistically. Like what do you think animates like people who want no deal. That's kind of it. It's so funny to me that they, that they used, I mean, obviously using gollywags to sell anything is insane, but especially jam. Like just what a weird, like what is the connection between those two things in any way?

It's so bizarre. You know what I like on my toast, racism. Yeah. This is, this is what the sun, the sun printed. Do you think Brits are too reserved for civil disorder cast your mind back to the riots of the 70s, 80s, 1990 or 2001 or the febrile atmosphere of the referendum during which Joe Cox MP was heartbreakingly murdered. Imagine how bad it will be if MPs having handed the people the right to choose Brexit, then steal it from us. A very normal thing to write, but I didn't realize that Anwar al-Alaqi was writing for the sun. But this is, the sun is edited by Bane now. I mean, it fucking might as well be.

They're sending the army into the bunker, right? Isn't that like one of the key plot points of the Dark Knight Rises? Like they said, like Bane put, sent the police into the underground bunker. He just uses a very simple trick to just fool the police all into burying themselves in the sewers and then immediately takes over the city with no problem. Yeah. I feel like he uses a got your nose style trick to make this thing, make the police bury themselves. It's like a string of donuts down in the bunker. I feel like the Dark Knight Rises should be remade, but like into a comedy. Well, there's no one to beat up down here. What the fuck? I was told there was an Hispanic family down here selling lemonade.

It still waits to my time. Bane just had a white lady call the police and say, I'm in the sewers and there's a black boy selling lemonade. We've got to get down there and sort this out. Quickly, bring everyone. Okay, but like I want. Okay, going back to this sun thing. They're literally this. This has been a trope in the right wing media and not just in the sun, which is probably the world's most insane newspaper that's most famous for like and wrongfully indicting a bunch of football fans for mysteriously killing themselves in Hillsborough, but like it's it's in the rest of the media as well. These just this is the

original Logan pole. These just anyway you could say imminent threats of imminent threats of and whippings up to violence. I mean, it's amazing to me because looking at some of these headlines that you'll see about like all the different headlines they've whipped up to to make it sound like both to fear monger and to threaten violence over brexit than also to to specifically direct hate at Muslims. It's just weird because as an American when you look at some of these headlines like the copy seems insane in the sense that like what they're saying is is absolutely like, you know, take what strangers in our own land and so on and so forth. I think it's very, very obviously like racialized and very much trying to like illicit

violence, but then they'll just be like a random little boy playing at the beach and it's like sixty five in November or you're like a chicks ass and we're like huge knockers on page three. It's such a strange thing because it feels like the right operator of a very large door. I feel passionately about these. The right operates like on the the pitch of exciting it and exciting human passions and trying to make people feel angry and threatened and also horny, but it's just weird to have it done all at once the way it is in British tabloids. That is like Fox News might try to titillate, but it doesn't try to titillate. Like there's not like booty dancers while Brit Hume is telling you that Obama is a Muslim dictator. No, yeah, because America is

puritanical, right? That's why the sun is better. So my favorite thing about the sun, and I think I've said this on the podcast before, is that as part of the page three tits display, they would always have like a really like nuanced quote about politics or something, which they would attribute to the naked. But always super reactionary. No, not always though. And it was called. Yeah, it was called news in briefs. No, because the the essence of it was reactionary in the joke was like, Ha, can you imagine a woman with her boobs out saying something intelligent, ridiculous. But the joke was always inevitably on the sun, because it would be something like, well, actually the problem with the common monetary policy is and then and then it would

just be the most intelligent opinion in the sun. Like none of their op-eds would be smarter than the news in briefs thing. So who's really owned the sun? The simple fact of the sun is that it is the highest expression of the British right wing media, which is the the fulfillment of just every lower base animal passion of its readers, who primarily seem to be like, you know, angry middle class men in barber jackets in the home counties. Jesus Christ, those things will tear you to shreds. So kind of. Yeah, you're a society. Yes, maybe. Who's worse? The Daily Express or the sun? The sun for sure. Daily Express is way funny. The Daily Express is just still obsessed with Princess Diana. So if you take the three,

if you say the Daily Mail, the sun and the Daily Express. Don't forget to tell it off. Not for a kill. No. F. You know, rank them in order of fashion. You got to play F. Murray Abraham. Fuck Marie kill. Look here. Like the sun is complicit in actual criminality in terms of like what happened in Hillsborough and also is but like the all of them are like complicit in whipping up actual like hate crimes against a quite significant percentage of the British population. You see it with Theresa May as well with her speech the other day, where she said, you the public have had enough. You're tired of the infighting. You're tired of the political games

in the arcane procedural rouse. Tired of MPs talking about nothing else but Brexit. When you have real concerns about our children's schools, our national health service, knife crime, you want stage of the Brexit process to be over and done with. I agree. I am on your side where once again, the idea that the idea that any force is going to stand between the I don't just mean the people who voted to leave the European Union, which as we all know was a relatively fraught issue where the European Union is deeply imperfect. A lot of people needed to make their voice heard fine, but the no deal extremists, the Marc Francois people, the Bill Cash people, like the home counties fascists who love that both of his names and terms for cash. We should do a pen and pixel

version of that. We should we just did our our rod little one. We should do a Bill Cash one. Bill Cash where the B is the Bitcoin symbol and the X is the dollar sign. And he's like in a he's like in a in a what what of his cars called like MPollers MPollers Impala like a Chevy Impala. Yeah, with with like Ludacris or something playing a PS2. Yeah, and there's Ludacris Leslie move bitch get out of the way. I know Ludacris Grayling, sorry. I'm confusing. Thank you. Thank you. But like it's that's the that's that's where we are, which is the anything less than the restoration of this nostalgic vision of a perfect world that you have based your entire worldview around is a betrayal. And these are the people who have

betrayed you, like the right has always been incredible at naming its malefactors. It just names its malefactors as either the people who are least able to defend themselves, which we'll get into, or in the case of Theresa May in the sun, threatening violence against anybody who opposes the most extreme fascist interpretation of a particular right wing agenda. And I don't see how it's possible to stop it at this point. It's all very normal, isn't it? It's all good. It's going to be fine. We're all we're all greatly enjoying the Brexit process. I think at this point, I just think that like it's never going to it's never going to end. Yeah, like it's going to become like when does the mandate run out for the the referendum? I mean,

when can you say okay, this was a decision made, but then like other circumstances have developed? The thing was like even here's here's what I'm going to try like because I've been thinking about this for a while. And I think the campaign was always set up to be like a cultural war, right? It was never really about it was never really about the European Union. It was never really about like international alliances. It was never really about any kind of conversations to have like, you know, monetization or financialization and stuff. It was this was always going to be like a cultural war. And the thing that we know about cultural wars is that they don't really end until like a lot of people are dead. And even if like we crash out with like no deal,

like these people aren't going to be happy, right? I think a lot of it is kind of rooted in resentment. A lot of it's like a generational thing as well. Like this is this is very, you know, we've kind of talked about like dissatisfaction of dissatisfaction and stuff. But so much of kind of like the culture around what no deal is trying to achieve is kind of this very bizarre fantasy of home counties, men who wish they had joined the army, but ended up as like semi successful accountants who were able to build conservatories. And for them. That's my Francois. Right. I mean, do you see his tweets kind of?

Yeah. And like anyone who kind of points us out is just like, you know, a snowflake millennial, ungrateful, you know, all that all that kind of stuff. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Like you can't really end a generational war until one generation like goes extinct, right? There is no, there's no ending it. And it's we keep not we, but I think a lot of the people who try to work with us to advance what they think of our interests, keep responding to the points that these people make as though the points matter. You know, all of these people are a lot of these hard, like no deal, Brexit people are like, yes, but when we have no deal, we'll be able to strike a trade deal with Mauritius. Like

they don't care about trade with Mauritius. They don't care fucking bananas. They don't care. That's the thing. It is at this point, it is undeniable in the societies in which most of our listeners live that the forces of complete and utter nihilism are ascended. Damn, it's like we're all the Joker. Well, let me let me point something out too, because so by 2016, the state of Indiana had almost record low unemployment. It was hit really hard in the recession and obviously like manufacturing jobs had been leaving for a while. But by 2016, you know, you had state, you had cities like Fort Wayne in places in the north that where unemployment was under 2% where they were literally offering to relocate homeless people

and like house them and train them to work in like RV factories and places because there are so few people who could hold these jobs because like they had such low unemployment and yet they voted for Trump. Why not because because because they they were angry at a vision of what they were told was happening and what they chose to believe based on like Facebook and Alex Jones, whatever the fuck. And I don't necessarily have a ton of sympathy for people who choose to believe in alternate reality, but I think that you can look at the same dynamic at play here and say when the same people who want hard Brexit, who want Brexit at all costs, who also were like kick out all the foreigners will send them all back to wherever when like the people

that they're mad about are that they don't live in communities where there are any immigrants. And secondly, like they want to kick out people who wouldn't be kicked out after a hard Brexit, or when they talk about wanting, you know, when they also pull highly for like bringing back hanging and bringing back leaded petrol and bringing back blue passports and bringing back basically they want to recreate a nostalgic vision of what they think Britain was like in the 1960s. Bring back leaded petrol would be such a strong vision for the culture or that would like I would almost vote for that because it's so fucking funny as a concept. I mean it's like basically you were talking about Mark, Mark Fisher and ontology and this is sort of like dark

alternate universe ontology nostalgia. This is the this is the mirror version of like weaponized nostalgia in the sense that it's like it is that it's it's still envisioning something that's it's like a like golden age delusions, but I think that for a certain subset of people, like the political opportunity, opportunists not withstanding the people who will do whatever to stay in power, not withstanding the people who are really like who the kind of people who would get up and be like I can't be satisfied until hard breaks. It happens. Most of those people are incensed about a vision of the world that absolutely does not exist, but that you know is fed to them because of like they've liked 10 Tommy Robinson pages on Facebook and they're

and the reason I say that nihilism is ascendant is that for this impossible future past they are willing to destroy everything. Yeah, I mean and one thing I would say is a quite as a follow-up. There's nothing we can give them. Well, I was gonna say as a follow-up to the thing I said about the state of Indiana, right? Yeah, I'm reading a story about a business in, I want to say in Louisiana that they make like fiberglass boat holes and they were very successful making like custom boat holes, but because of the tariffs they put that the Trump instituted on trade with China, all of a sudden their business was going to go under. And of course, you know, the Times sent it's intrepid fucking Harvard grad reporters to go and interview these people

and the people were just like Trump's making America strong. I don't care if my business goes bankrupt. It's literally like burn my house down. Dad, I love it. They don't fucking care. Like even if it materially affects them in a way that comes to me daddy ends, they're like ruins their livelihood. Anything in service of that vision. It's like what you really need to do is just find something that I like if only you could weaponize these people against global warming, you could then get them to put on suicide vests and detonate them. Like they do it. That's amazing. Like what did what did you do in the culture or granddad? Well, I had a podcast son. I mean, even I mean that was like being an army ranger when you get down to

it. But the thing is like it's it's going back to the right wing press is that these people are willing to burn anything down to get back to this world that they're just assuming was around before slightly before they were born. But what is Paul Dacker having it like what skin in the game is he having it? Newspapers selling selling newspapers because like they've already won. They've got everything they've wanted. They've dismantled the welfare state. They pay zero taxes. There's nothing. There's nothing you can give them. There is nothing you can give them that they won't want more, more, more, more, more, more. There is how do you like it? How do you like it? They are the they are the infinite maw. You give mombo number five and they just want

mombo number six. It is the little bit of Theresa by my side. The aggrieved white boomer is the infinite consumptive maw. They don't want anything in particular. They don't they don't even want to win. They just want to keep fighting you and when you're dead, they're going to be just shooting your corpse. There is nothing we can give them. It is literally like I cannot believe I cannot believe I have to say this, but this is literally the speech that the Joker gave to Batman at the end of the dark night. Some people just want to watch the world burn. I don't even think it was the one it was the one right at the end where he's just like the what was it the unstoppable force versus the immovable object. Mark Francois is the Joker in this scenario. Mark Francois is like,

you know how I got these scars? I was in the territorial army, which is actually the best kind of the army. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. That's why they that's why they keep that for Britain. So that when Britain is attacked, the most elite soldiers like me will be able to defend, you know, the grandmas that are left. They want to be they want to be storybook heroes. It's really weird to me because you've made the Joker into a Dutch American. Hey, you know how I got these scars? These guys all want to be story. These guys all want to be storybook heroes. Some guys just want to burn the world down. But why are they wearing wooden shoes, you know? This is the Romanian Dutch. Some guys, you know, they want to watch the world burn.

Italian joker. Just go. They don't let his wife burn down the country. I don't know. But they don't want to watch the world burn. They want it to go back to a cartoon that they that they pretend they remember because they watch too much dad's army when they were a kid. They want it. It's like it's like those teens that listen to vaporwave because they think it takes them to the time in the 90s kind of that they weren't even born into. I'm still they're not. They're not doing fascism about it. That's true. Yeah. This is the fundamental difference. Like the teens just like we're just lonely teens who go on YouTube and watch vaporwave videos. These guys are people who are like, yeah, we are

literally willing to start a race war to get back to this point that we were never at. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the riots that the sun references were like in the 70s and 80s, like those were specifically because of provocations of police violence and people rising up against like in Brixton and Liverpool in the 80s. Definitely in the 70s. I guess most of the most of the riots were like industrial. I was going to say like strikes and such, but yeah, but like but yeah in the 80s. Definitely. So also we have Donald Trump Jr. has made a similar intervention to. Yes, I'm a special fucking boy and Theresa May in British tag me to as junior once break out star of the Trump administration. Donald Trump Jr.

Since 2016, Prime Minister Theresa May has promised on more than 50 separate occasions that Britain would leave the EU on March 29th, 2019. She needs to honor that promise, but Mrs. May has ignored advice from my father and ultimately advice from my father. And ultimately a process that should have taken only a few short months has become a year's long stalemate leaving the British people in limbo. I can only imagine what the advice from Donald Trump was to Theresa May. Very unfair to me. Very unfair. I don't know what it was because I just don't read Brexit stuff anymore, but someone was just like or a few people online were sort of like, well, the advice that the advice that Donald Trump gave is technically

like illegal. Like you can't actually do it. Like you can't. I feel like he had said something about like just kind of like leaving and not giving a shit and just like forging these new contracts like within a day or something like that. And I was like, that's not how like trade deals work. But also like the UK economy has been in meshed with the EU since the 80s, since the 70s. I mean, like since they founded the European community in the late 50s, I mean, fuck's sake, like you can't just change that overnight. And I mean, in every single business in the United Kingdom that does any kind of trade involving stuff from overseas has this process baked in to like their supply chain or like to like their own. There's the services they provide like the

idea that you can disentangle that and just be like, nope, we're just going to you. You made airplane parts. Well, now you're going to make fucking Cornish pasties. That's just the way it's going to go. But but but but enough people want that enough people want to and are just are willing to sacrifice like that we have medicine and that we have food and whatever because because I don't even think the EU was really that important in most of their decision making. It just happens to be the thing that was standing between them and what used to be imperial greatness. Listen to easy, you got to take my advice. Okay, this Jean-Claude Juncker chick. I've dealt with her before. She gave me a handjob at Rob Schneider's Christmas party in 1996. Look, I can tell you this much.

She drives a hard bargain. You've got to be firm because I recently learned about this person called the hamburger. Now what happens with him is he comes into your house and he steals hamburgers. You've got to be on the watch for this. It's very dangerous. People are talking about it. I've spoken to people up and down the country. They're having hamburgers stolen. It's not a joke. You can go to Indiana. You can go to Arizona. There are people on the street. They're carrying on there as well. Ronald McDonald, a failing guy. Okay, you don't see him anymore. He's not done. He's not done the Brexit. Look, what I'm saying is it's got to be a hard Brexit. You've got to watch out for grimace and the hamburger, and you're going to be fine. Thank you. Why didn't she take that advice?

If you're taking that advice, we'd have solved it in a day. I'm almost that and that's more coherent than what he actually said. Can you imagine the two most famously coherent people in contemporary politics? Theresa May and Donald Trump having a conversation. So, Trump doing your continues. Here in the United States, we've seen similar efforts to overturn legitimate election results when my father beat the Washington establishment in a historic outcome in 2016, just a few months after the Brexit vote, we mistakenly presumed there would be a peaceful and respectful transition of power from the Democrats to Republicans, just as there has always been in this country. Instead, the Democrats and deep state operatives. He literally sounds like one of the

third world dictator children, like when my father made this country great, and he was and he was brushed aside by his own people. Instead, the Democrats and deep state operatives in our justice system have been colluding to subvert the will of the American people with high level officials, even discussing a scheme to try to remove him from office, right? It's known as impeachment. Yeah, something like they did to try to do to Bill Clinton. That's the thing. All of these people and all of these papers make their bread and butter of winning every single political contest, every single time of completely dominating the sort of the spent forces of liberalism and then pretending that they are on a weak, aggrieved party who is in need

of support, probably from violent vigilantes, because again, that gets people's dicks hard and sells papers. Well, yeah, the idea that like, you know, people protest something and so 30 states in America pass laws to say like, you know, you get the presidential medable freedom if you run over protesters or like, you know, like the like the the that's that's one of the key freedoms. Yeah, we're like the, you know, the the pass some anti anti for law without even realizing what that actually means. We're, you know, so far because the cop, the cop, the soup, the cop, the cops can murder you for protesting kind of stuff like basically it's it's it's the same threat of aggrieved and victim hood based on a reading of the facts. I can think of something

particular. So you guys remember in 2011, the whole there was a whole budget shutdown thing in the United States where they were and they do this a lot now, like it's just some dumb shit. They started doing it in the nineties under Clinton and they've been doing it ever since where they threaten to like not, you know, allow the you basically to not raise a debt ceiling or to not like continue to to fund the government. And so in 2012, they did it in 2013. It happened again. And I remember seeing Facebook memes, you know, basically from people that I'd serve within the army, you know, basically because during the shutdown, the way it was set up, you weren't guaranteed as a somebody in the military, you were going to get paid your

salary like while the shutdown was happening. And this is because the Republicans literally were like demanding some crazy shit. And the Democrats were like, no, and it just, so, so, but somehow that translated into a meme of like, Obama cares so much about Muslims and immigrants. He's giving them all your money instead of paying our soldiers and people fucking believe this is a complete fabrication. This is complete nonsense, but that I guarantee you that that rendition of events, more eyeballs saw that then people actually fucking read an article about it. And so see what you realize is the disinformation, the, the, the, the victim hood enhancement sort of platforms are so prolific and so easy to access. Whereas like getting, having any fucking sense of what's

going on is hard for us and we do this shit all day. You know what I mean? And so it just comes down to it's very, someone like Donald Trump can say this stuff and be like, oh yeah, when anti for fucking the Democrats and their Soros backed enablers of fascism have blocked my father who's trying to save America and like people, idiot libs it like USA today will allow this to be published and people in America will read this and be like, oh yeah, that's that's that's that's what's happening. Yeah. People look at Donald Trump Jr. and they're like, damn, this pepper army in a wig really has a point. You see deals is our school that came out about our friends at Turning Point the other day from the mail on a lot from mail online and I had this, it had a line which was

this like with his, with his bright blue blazer and his gleaming white smile, white smile, his white smile. That's it. That's the only cool thing that's white about him. You might mistake let's say his supreme white smile. You might you might mistake Charlie Kirk as a run off the mill jock. Although like, you know, you know, you might mistake him for like a football player, but actually he's he's this really interesting political actor and the problem is since he's been in the UK, no one's wanted to listen to him. So you've also got like these supposed like respectable newspapers and like bear in mind the mail is still considered to be a respectable newspaper by many people, including people in the industry that I work in. But they're kind of

publishing stuff that you kind of know from the offset like this is garbage, like this isn't even like accurate or this is not, you know, you're kind of playing into bad faith and either you're doing this deliberately or you're stupid, which is so much of what British media is. It's literally just like you're either doing this deliberately or you are incredibly dumb. And I used to think for a long time, but actually it was because they knew this, but they're just incredible. Like they knew this and they were doing this like insidiously. I genuinely think that there is a good percentage of like the pundit class, but a really, really stupid, which now transitions me to a story that happened yesterday, which I definitely want to tell, which is to do with one

of our favorite conservative pundits, Isabel Oakshop. I'm passionate parking space campaign. We're going to give away the story. So Isabel Oakshop is considered to be one of the kind of premier political British journalists working in Fleet Street. She is the person who wrote, but who co-authored the Cameron biography in which we found out that he dicked a pig. Allegedly, we don't really know, but no one's denied it. No one's denied it. So who can say whether it's true or false? She was like the political editor of the Daily Mail for a long time, she's on TV very, very regularly. The most recent antique that came up that I remember her was when she got very mad in public because she believed that Oxford Parkway, the train station,

which is for like our American listeners, it's sort of like, I don't know, it's like one of, it's one of like the big train stations in Oxford that sort of like- Like imagine like you're getting off at like New Haven. Right. There you go. Yeah. Okay. All right. Fine. You know, so it's basically just a place of lots of car spaces, but Isabel Oakshop got very angry because supposedly there are too many disabled parking spaces in Oxford Parkway, despite the fact. And I think if you go back to one of our earlier episodes of Alan White, like he described how actually this isn't the case, like they have

the right number of disabled parking spaces. If you're into that shit, listen to that episode. Still, she was just like, no, it's got too many disabled parking spaces, fuck disabled people. They shouldn't drive anyway, but they shouldn't even travel anywhere. So anyway, God himself disabled, they can't even fucking walk. So something happened with one of our lists of friends of the show, Mark DiStefano, who is a media reporter at Buzzfeed, where him and Isabel got into some sort of spat and Isabel was like, oh, I don't know who you are. You know, I don't even know who you are or what type of scoop that you've done, et cetera. Obviously my bad faith, like, you know,

she knows what Buzzfeed is. She knows who everyone is. Like she is a media person and her entire life is built around kind of media people. So like she absolutely knows this. Anyway, I kind of intervened as you do, causing a bit of mischief. And I said, I know who this guy is. I've seen him in Oxford Parkway. He parks in the disabled parking space, even though he has two functioning legs. So Isabel Oak shot DMs me like straight afterwards, like immediately, like within seconds, she's like, she's like, oh, next time you see him do this, can you film him? And I said, and I said, yes, for you Isabel, absolutely. Absolutely, I will do this. I will fight for you. I will fight for your honor and I will fight for your valor.

Wherever someone tries to slay you, I will be there with my shield. This is not much of an exaggerate. I saw the screenshots of their DMs. This is not much of an exaggeration. And then she sends me a kissy face emoji. She's like one of the dumbest people. And it was, yeah, right? I want to send her a picture of the Ugeo Dragon Dick. Right. Oh, fuck's sake, I should have done that. I mean, if she hasn't blocked me, I might just send her a message, be like, Isabel, can you answer this question for me, please? Yeah, but like, I just wanted to go back to this thing about like, you know, actually some of these pundits who get

paid a lot of money who have, you know, will still get TV spots who will still get their slots on question time are really fucking stupid. And this is a really important thing, especially like in wake of recent events, because so much of what we talk about isn't just kind of like debates that happen in parliament or like protests, like so much of what we talk about in terms of cultural, political shifts are the result of like online engagement. And it's about like boomers who like get pretty much all their news on Facebook. And like, there's a bunch of statistics out there which show that like boomers are much more likely to believe like fake news or like distorted news than any other type of generation. This is because they're mad and they want

something that's going to tell them they're right to be mad. They're just, they just wake up mad and they go to bed mad and nothing's ever going to stop them from being mad. Your father and I have been reading about this character called the Muslim Hamburglar now. Have you heard anything about this? No, like I swear there is going to be someone who kick starts a like children's book about Q for grandparents to read to their grandkids and it's going to sell very well. I mean, there's now like people at like political rallies who are being filmed in like by Fox News and broadcast where they're wearing Q t-shirts, right? Of course. And they're all like, I shot a crime

boss in New York City and then like appeared in court with Q stuff written on his hand. Random stochastic right wing violence is increasing and these are the people that are doing it. And the problem with like problem of pundits, they're so stupid. They're the stupidest people in the entire world. This is the thing. So many pundits like are completely unaware of how the internet works. They're completely unaware or they choose to be unaware of like, you know, how the content that they put online, you know, and I'm sure we because this, I guess this is like our next subject, but like when we talk about things like the New Zealand attack that happened just uncritically publishing his fucking manifesto and making it available to

people, not just that, but publishing the stuff that led up to it or having gif fucking snip snapshots of the shooting video on like the front page of their website publishing, publishing the live stream and then having editors being like, well, you know, we just wanted people to have as much info, access to information as possible. And then like when you, when you compound that with like all these takes from pundits who have no idea about how the internet works and we have no idea about like how ideas get legitimized and how, you know, so from the most part when, you know, because for me, the New Zealand attack was a very emotional moment for obvious reasons. And I've also spent like the past two years like

writing a book about like Muslim communities who have been silenced and like the ways that they used to express themselves. So this was like a very personal moment for me. And just making comments like, yeah, actually like a lot of these, a lot of these articles, a lot of these things that you read in like the telegraph, the spectator, the times, like they do add legitimacy to arguments that like one's conspiracy theories, like there is stuff that is published by like Theresa May, like that was published by Theresa May's former head of communications, which basically said that like George Soros was causing like the great replacement, right? And no one addressed that. He still has a column on the telegraph. You still have like people like

Melanie Phillips who wrote the fucking book called London, which, you know, the whole argument was around this idea that so many Muslims are moving to London, but it's going to become a caliphate in like the next 10 years, right? Who is now sending tweets. And now it's just Tower Hamlets. Don't worry guys. Now it's Tower Hamlets who like our famous friend, Rod Little, who we made a picture of earlier today. It was like, we found a picture of Bade by Pen and Pixel because there's such big fans of his, of course. You know, he's like saying, you know, you know, Muslims should go blow themselves up in Tower Hamlets, right? Like all this language means stuff. And this was the first time where

like these pundits had to really face, but you know, the things that they say and the things that for the benefit of the listener, we just pulled up the Rod Little picture again. Yeah. Like download it, retweet it, send it to Alex Keely. You know what to do. Alex Keely with Rod Little picture. I cannot stress this enough. Everybody at Alex Keely with the Rod Little picture. He's going to love it. Yeah. So like, you know, going back to that is kind of like, okay, so these guys now have no idea how like, you know, how their words legitimize. And for me, this was really confusing because it's like, okay, well, you kind of class yourself as a pundit. You class yourself as like your

opinion, like in the belief that your opinion means like a lot and it's powerful and it's impactful. And the reason that you're employed at a newspaper is so that you have influence. And yet the moment when your words finally do have influence, the moment when people take the words that you have written, the words that you've legitimized from like conspiracy forums on 4chan and stuff. And you know, this guy acts on those words by killing people. You suddenly want to distance yourself. You suddenly just want to say, oh, I'm just like one pundit in like a sea of pundits. Yeah. It just suddenly becomes this atom atomized thing, the consequences of one person's mental illness. Instead of all of the the negativity, all of

the hate speech, all of the conspiracy theorizing that they've been putting out in the world. I mean, Melanie Phillips will block you with the drop of the hat if you bring up the fact that she literally was one of the intellectual inspirations for the fucking Natoya massacre. Well, Ben Shapiro was one of the literal inspirations for Alexander Beesonette, but also the New Zealand guy had four Rotherham written on one of his guns, which is a trope the Daily Mail has used to sell papers. So I'm sorry, any liberal, like any James O'Brien type, who's now like heralding the return of the Daily Mail as a respectful paper now that Paul Dacker is no longer at the head. Like this is the same paper

that said, hurrah for the Blackshirts in the 1930s. It's the same paper that talked about Rotherham now. They're as complicit in violence now as they were then. It kind of sucks to be from Rotherham and the only people who like your murder is Nazis. But this almost cut, but then the fact is, additionally, like some people like Owen Jones have been saying, but people like Owen Jones and the Metropolitan Police Commissioner in charge of counterterrorism has been saying that the press in this country is directly responsible and directly fans the flames of terrorism. And Owen Jones agrees and says, you need to consider what you're doing. And then liberal journalists like fucking Hadley Freeman jump out of the woodwork to say,

how dare you criticize us? We're the free press and will more or less print what we want because because the most important freedom is abstract. Like these are the people who are trying to say that they are the sensible center who is keeping the sort of more radical The soft chocolatey center. This is how we justify very distance, right? It's like, without us, these hard conversations would be restricted to extremists. But what I found, and I think was very evident by like lots of stuff that you read in the spectator and lots of stuff that you read in, lots of stuff that you read in the Times and everything, is that like they take these conversations that already exist and they basically give it a voice, right? And a lot

of the time I can imagine this is the case. You know, I've worked with columnists before as an editor and they often struggle for content, right? Like these are people that aren't really reporters and they're sort of designed, you know, they're sort of there to just be. And Tate Soil has been gone for 15 years or so. They can't be pen and pixel images. So often what they'll do is like they'll go into their networks or they'll ask their people like, what are the most important stuff that I should be writing about? And when you're at like a fucking boomer like townhouse dinner party, like the things that they're going to say is like, oh, you should really talk about the immigration

because I've heard that the working class are very anxious about immigration. Have you heard about Muslims? You know, about, you know, and then that goes on to the Muslims and that goes on to like, all of this is like, you know, I think Ash Sarkar from Novara like said this very like cohesively today, which was that like, when people talk about Islamophobia, like people who act in bad faith often say, but oh, like, you know, Islamophobia doesn't exist because legitimate criticism of religion is allowed and should be allowed. And Islam isn't a race. And all we know, we've heard all this stuff before.

And these things are in bad faith because Ash Ash says like, when we talk about, when we actually talk about Islamophobia, what we're talking about is like overlapping of lots of different things. And Islamophobia being used by people as a way of like covering up things like, you know, racism and things like that. So when people say that, oh, I have a right to criticize Islam, like the question that should be asked as well, you haven't really done a lot of like theological criticism. And if you really wanted to kind of, if you really wanted to respect the fact that like the right to criticize religion, then you should understand that in Islam, like there have been centuries upon centuries of

criticism, like you go into any Islamic bookshop, there's like hundreds of books and all these books are commentary. And you know, and if you're able to read Arabic, or even if you read the English translation, what you find is that all these like books criticize, you know, scholastic works that happen before it. Like that's the whole point of revisionism. That's the whole point of like, why you have different interpretations of religious text. When they talk about, I want to criticize Islam, what they actually mean is I really want to make letterbox jokes and ninja jokes at dinner parties. I would like you to imagine my shock for a moment. It's that any limitation on anything I say or think even a social one is unforgivable.

Right. So basically the other their take becomes instead of criticism of Islam along any kind of lines of what you're describing like religious insight. It just becomes, I want to say Islam is a cancer, or I want to say Muslims shouldn't exist, or I want to say if more than two percent of the population is Muslim, then we're going to become a caliphate. Also, all this things. Yeah, like Sweden, if you were to say this about any other religion, any other, I rather should say if you were to say this about any other minority religion, if you said it about Christianity, you would definitely offend people. But I feel like you would be, you would be offending a minority in a country.

But even with like new atheists, because like as every Muslim teenager who grew up in the South, like I did my flirtations with new atheism, Christopher Hitchens, he was my G back when I was 14, even with Christianity, like the criticism of Christianity was literally that. It was like criticizing theological components of Christianity. It was criticizing like particular ideas around like, you know, say Catholic guilt or, you know, talking about, you know, there was never like this real kind of visceral attack on Christians or being like, oh, this place has like so many churches that it might as well be like the Vatican or something like that, right? It was a very, you know, for the most part, even, even like the worst aspects of new atheism,

treated Christianity with a lot of respect, so much so that even, you know, even like people like Sam Harris now will say very openly that, oh, like, even though I'm not a religious person, I don't think I ever will be a religious person. I think that there's like value in Christianity. And like people like Dave Rubin have done the same thing. Obviously, Jordan Peterson who like, cause, well, Jordan Peterson tried to get like a fucking what, like a fellowship at Cambridge Divinity School. And when it was rejected, rejected, you had all these kind of atheist, atheist fanboys getting angry at the Divinity Department because Professor Peterson just wanted to study religion.

Well, it's the key is, is that we, is that we and the people we agree with need no justification because our existence, whether it's the 4chan in cell poster or the 40 year old Mark Francois voter or whatever, our existence was justified by Charlemagne because we have the legacy of white supremacy or of colonialism or even just of the blitz spirit. They have literally anything they can remember as being so wonderful, but really it's that they want to regress to childhood and they're willing to kill anyone to do it, right? Like it's not even about religious criticism for them. I mean, you remember it's, I can't, there was the same guy that this home office guy the other day who when he saw a, a Middle Eastern convert to Christianity, trying to claim asylum

status in the UK because it would be unsafe for him to go back to his country as an apostate. I'm not sure where he came from, so I won't, I won't guess, I can't recall, but they said, no, Christianity actually is a violent religion. Have you ever actually read the Bible? It says a lot of stuff in Leviticus, whatever, which is that really this is just a bunch of, a bunch of people who have grabbed a small amount of power and they want to, everyone else to justify their right to be alive because they're the ones who get to decide and you know what? Every single force in our society, the police, the newspapers, the politics, even fucking landlords, energy companies, everybody has basically just gone along with it. Just gone along with the narrative of, yep,

everyone else needs to constantly justify their existence here. Maidstone is full. All the foreigners want to come there and we can't let it happen. You know, Maidstone has to retain its character. So when I say, how will, how will all the shitty clubs in Maidstone like stay, have, you know, retain their character? What if the Muslims come in and make it into, turn into masks? It's that they want, they, they want a pure white society. You can't have a halal Oceana. They want, they want a pure white society so that their, their horrible chain like town pubs,

their youngs or their spoons or whatever will stay full of white people owned by white people, worked in by white people. All I'm saying is Dartford is about to have its first Wagamamas. Is that not kind of ethnically enriching enough? So I know we try not to actually read from Brendan O'Neill on this show at all, but I thought this was one, when we say these at this point, it's just about the desperate need of, of these old white men to never be criticized, but to have the freedom to say anything they say and do anything they want at any cost and willingness to burn down the entire world to do it. Before we do that, can I just address the fact that I was enjoying listening to all of

Hussain's very intelligent points, but some point towards the end of them, I just noticed that Hussain is wearing one shoe like some kind of 19th century prospector lost in the desert. Look, regulating your body temperature. No, I want, no, fuck off, fuck off. I want, I want to explain this, right? Is this on purpose? It might be on purpose. Let me explain. The other shoes there is just not working. Let me, let me, you're a bizarre man. Let me, let me explain this to the listeners who, because you're trying to shoe shame me right now, but in our nuclear bunker, it is very warm and we don't have air conditioning. We have this weird window,

which I don't think actually works. So you have to regulate your body temperature. Now, I have more body hair than every one of these other men sitting on this table right now, combined, right? I mean, I wouldn't just afford to say that about Riley, to be honest with you. It doesn't count because you're white. Okay. More anti-white racism. Whatever. This is the, this is trigger pod now. We're now the Trigonometry podcast. I'm constantly guessing now. By saying that I'm white, you turn me racist. Taking, you'll say, you're taking a break from kissing your dad to tell me that actually I'm

big anti-white before claiming that I have more body hair. And the truth is that, you know, facts over feelings guys, you don't actually have more body hair. It's just like yours is more visible. Damn triggered. That's deep. This is just anti-white phrenology. Anyway, if you have like one shoe and one sock on and one shoe and one sock off, then like you get, you can get like a better kind of temperature balance. Okay. Are you staring at my feet? I'm amazed. I assume that you'd taken it off to send some feet pics. Oh yeah. About two. I thought you were getting around to taking off your second shoe and you got lost in thought and you just, you just, you so wanted to make a point that you're

like, I will get to taking my other shoe off later. I mean, that's like more accurate, but also like I might just keep doing this just to like prove my point. Anyway, I do have a secret patreon where I do put feet, where I do post feet pics. DM me if you want to find out more. So here's, here's what Brendan says. What has been moving on? Shut up. Yo, do you want to leave this podcast? Where would we be? We would still be talking about those album covers. Probably. I don't know. I see you brought those up. Brendan says, what has been extraordinary in the aftermath of the deranged racist slaughter in two mosques in New Zealand has been the way the chattering classes in Western countries.

He actually said the chattering classes. Amazing. Have instructed us to do the kind of thing they tell us not to do in the wakes of Islamist terror. The instruction from our betters has been the same every time. Don't get angry, they say. Don't exaggerate the threat of terrorism they counsel. And don't dare suggest that any book or idea, whether it is the Quran itself or pamphlets handed out at the more questionable mosques contributed to this attack. These killers have nothing to do with Islam, as the tiresome, silencing mantra goes. Our role after Islamist terror is to manage our anger, put politics on hold, lay a flower or two, and then go back to our everyday lives. And the thing is, Brendan, you know what? Yep. Yes. You're right. You were trying to be sarcastic,

but you just said the thing that we should do. But you didn't say the last thing that we should do, which is try to get our militaries out of the Middle East, probably. And bring them all into a bunker where they'll be safe and secure under the command of Colonel Mark Francois. I mean, it's also just like a really bad understanding of like extremism and terrorism, because our response as a country has never been to keep calm and carry on as those weird posters, which were rolled out at a very specifically weird time, were like tell us to do, right? Like the immediate response after a terrorist attack is to kind of show like some respect and some decency, right? And like after every attack, including the one in New Zealand

that happened, but also like the London Bridge Terror attack, the Westminster Bridge Terrorist attack, like that always happened. But the actual response this country has done is that they've built this entire infrastructure, this very expensive counterterrorism infrastructure, a lot of which is very questionable, that collects a lot of personal data that has really impacted our lives in a way that I feel that very few people actually understand to the full extent. Like that has been the response to terrorism, right? The response to terrorism has been like innocent people who have been shot at train stations. The response to terrorism has been lots of people who have been thrown into Guantanamo Bay or like, you know, other like supermax

prisons without a lot of evidence to prove that, you know, again, when we talk about the mail, we talk about, you know, what's his name? You know, Shaykarama, for example, who was in Guantanamo Bay, alongside other prisons, despite there being very little evidence he was involved in any sort of extremist activity, like violent extremist activity. So like the fact that, you know, the way that he says it in terms of like, oh, like when, and when a Muslim person attacks, like, we're told to kind of just like, don't worry about it, like, don't, you know, just ignore it, don't talk about it. Our free speech is the most important thing. Meanwhile, like people who have worked in extremist like environments and like, you know,

whether those like analysts or whether they are like, even kind of security people have said that like white nationalist terrorism is this huge problem. And it's even more huge because whereas with Islamist terrorism, there was always like a network that sort of existed. So, you know, people who would carry out these attacks would usually tend to kind of, you know, pledge allegiance to a group like the Islamic State or Al Qaeda or like, you know, to be in conjunction with them, you would have like people operating in terror cells, you would have, you know, the whole like terrorist infrastructure around right Islamist extremism has always been built within like a network framework. The difference as the New Zealand attacks showed us, but also

like feature attacks will continue to show is that white nationalist extremism is massively decentralized, it's massively disorganized. It's going to be like, it's going to be run by people who aren't like part of bigger movements, but because white nationalism is very much like a nihilistic movement, it will be one that will be run by like unhinged individuals who have been radicalized by white nationalist propaganda online, but it's super hard to detect especially when so much of like that process that conveyor belt that leads to that extremist attack starts with like positions that our ruling government already believe in, in regards to, you know, immigrants, who regards to immigrant detention, in regards to, you know, the security

state, like all these things, you know, so many people like, oh, the government like really needs to understand the grievances of white nationalist groups, if we're going to tackle this problem, well, like that's the big fucking problem, like they not only do they understand it, but like loads of people already agree with most of them, which is why I kind of said when the attack happened that, you know, the pundits don't really have a problem with what this guy believed or like what this attacker like actually listened to, they agree with a lot of what's in his manifesto, what they didn't want was that like he would then act on it because like it sort of ruins the middle class aesthetic that they've kind of cultivated for so long.

You say it's decentralized, but it's not decentralized, it's, it's there, it's just, it's legal, it's the spectator, it's the Daily Mail, it's GCHQ, it's all, it is, it is there, the white nationalist terrorist network isn't hidden, it's there, it's just being sold at a news agent. To be fair to GCHQ, they're listening to absolutely everything except the spectator podcast because the audio is so bad. Lads, like I don't understand, like you have money, you have like a decent room, like, but why are you using like fucking like Blue Yeti mics? So GCHQ won't listen, but like they've already actually like, we've invested like, so we've got like loads of fancy equipment and we're just getting owned by like some guy outside

of like white, chapel fried chicken listening to like everything we record. But it's true, it's, they are centralized, it's just, they're legal and it is ultimately, if you're going to be a right-wing white, white nationalist terrorist in the UK or US or Canada or Australia or New Zealand, then no one is ever, then we are not allowed to ask why you did it or what motivated you because the thing is, it's obvious, it's right there in front of you and all of us are being asked to just put down our rational faculties, to see the things that we know to be true and just pretend they're not and to just deny the evidence of our own eyes. But then they also go to like a really extreme thing. So like Julia Hartley Brewer,

for example. Yeah, very normal person. Very good friend of the show. When Nazreen Malik, a very good columnist, the Guardian kind of pointed out that, you know, you in like, in a column you wrote for the mail, you said that you were sick and tired of having Islam ram down our throats and then you went on this tirade about like women, like a small number of women in this country who like wear face fails and saying that like, they weren't integrating properly or like they weren't kind of, you know, you know, basically insinuating that, you know, they were not real, you know, British people. All I had to do about the, all I have to say about that complaint about not having Islam

ram down our throats is that Alice needs to stop writing columns. Yes. So like Julia, Julia said to me online that like, you know, she kind of just really freaked out. She was like, I will criticize anything if I want to and you will not shut down my free speech. And like, what are you saying? But like, no one who has any direct experience with anything should write about stuff. And like on the one hand, I'm like, well, actually, yeah, maybe yes, like maybe like, if you don't know stuff, you shouldn't write about it. Like that she doesn't want to know. Right. But this is another thing too. It's kind of like, they kind of go to this really big extreme of, you know, by critis, by even making like the mildest criticism of me and

my work, what you're actually doing is like causing violence to me by shutting down my free speech. And it's all like, well, okay, at this particular time, like I'm sort of wondering who's more of the victim, like someone who has been told that their writing like kind of sucks a bit or people who have literally been shot and killed, who didn't have platforms on like big radio shows. Oh, it's the person who's rying. They said they sucked. Right. As Brendan said at the beginning, like the real victims are actually the real victim is free speech. That's another example of the sort of awful, awful powers of our podcast. The real. After the wake of that happen, I was like, here's what all the headlines are going to be. Here's the spectator headline. The spiked headline I made

up as a joke was that the real victim of the Christchurch shooter is free speech. And then Brendan wrote it. He wrote the article I made up as a joke. It's it. We have a very symbiotic relationship with Brendan. It's like, it's like a yin and yang kind of thing. Like wherever we do, Brendan has to do the opposite. And I don't know who, or maybe it's whatever Brendan does, we have to do the opposite. I don't know. I'm not sure who's in control, but there seems to be a kind of cosmic balance to it. Well, here's the other side of the cosmic balance. And this is where the void comes in, which is that on a Chan where this guy, the New Zealand shooter guy was twice radicalized. Well, sort of all the posts around him in response to like what he was doing

and stuff were guys who were telling each other and themselves that as you're seeing this guy commit a massacre, and if you feel any emotion, you have to crush it. You have to stop yourself from feeling any compassion, because that's going to stop you eventually doing what needs to be done. And that post these are people who are being led here by legitimate trustworthy columnists in the sun or the Daily Mail or on Fox News or whatever. And they have been sold this story that's designed to scare grandparents, but it scared them too, or it's driven them insane, or they now are diseased with nostalgia. And now they see the need to sacrifice their own humanity and their own capacity to even just have the barest respect for one another's lives.

And they're crushing it into oblivion in service of nothing in service of the void. Who was the politician who said in the wake of the Christ church thing, like, oh, it's always, it's terrible to see people resorting to violence. Fraser Henning. He's like, they're democratic ways of achieving your aims. It's like, oh, yes, a democratic, get to democratically voting for all the Muslims in camps or whatever. There were a lot of people who kind of made comments that were very much like that. And it kind of brings back to the thing was like, okay, these people genuinely do believe

most of what this shooter believed in as well. Like if this, you know, it brought me back to, and I know this is like, I hate to bring this up, but it was like sort of when the 2016 presidential election campaign happened and Hillary Clinton made that speech about the basket of deplorables. And then lots of like the Republicans were like, oh, you know, well, to me, the deplorables, when she meant by the deplorable, she meant like the 4chan idiots, right? Now she said it in a really bad way in like a very bizarre and strange way. But what the Republican party or like Republican party officials then did was to say that, oh, you know, we, we have space for like, if you consider yourself as a deplorable, then like,

you have a space in our party, like we understand that actually what you are is like a well-meaning conservative who just has like concerns about immigration and maybe a few race issues. But like, you may or may not be constantly kissing your dad, you may or may not be constantly kissing your dad, but they, but they proudly call themselves deployed. They now love the idea right of jettisoning jettisoning morality to win this grand cultural fight, but this is this is what I was. Yeah, go on. I think the thing I would point out is it everywhere from Fox News to the Daily Mail online to military themed websites to live leak style websites were just flush with people commenting positively on this and even when the news story was reporting like

tragedy in New Zealand, it was just ha ha laughing my way down to the chip shop. There should be more of them, et cetera. Like glad this guy killed Muslims. Let's kill more of them. Like that kind of commentary was everywhere. You know, I saw it on a task and purpose, the military themes website. I saw it on stuff like popular military. I saw it on, on obviously on Fox News. And I think the thing about it is there's this mask that respectable conservatives feel that they, they, they, they decide to put on in instances like this where it's like, let's not rush to judgment. Let's not pretend like this is, this is a diseased individual. It's not wrong to criticize, you know, to have concerns about immigration, et cetera. But basically much like the basket of deplorables thing and

much like so many instances of stuff where Trump just says the quiet part loud, their followers see right through it. They don't look at this and be like, oh yes, this is, you know, my valid concern about immigration. They're like, no fucking kill them all, send them all back to wherever. Like that's what they believe. And when they see whether it's in the spectator or it's on Fox News or it's in the Daily Mail or something more vulgar or it's on H hand, no matter where it is, like they're just on some gradation, on some, on a spectrum of messaging and optics. But the underlying content is all the same. It's all treating them as this other that must be destroyed. Like they want to destroy you. So you have to destroy them first, you know, whether it's

the Swiss being like, you know, no, you're not allowed to have minarets on your masks and you're not allowed to have speakers for, for these on or whether it's like you were saying you were talking about this, like it's just so common at this point in the UK that if you try to build a new mosque, they'll just deny your planning permission. Right. No matter what it is, like wherever the messaging is, it's all the same content. It's treating Muslims like some humans and saying they have to be destroyed in order to save your nation and restore it to greatness. And this guy is shooting people. That's just the far end of the spectrum. But even on the, the opposite end of the spectrum, it's still the same content and they all know it.

And that's the thing is that it's just so craven and that's what it shocks me about it and frustrates me about it is that they all fucking know it or they're so terminally dumb that they just shouldn't be allowed in front of a fucking computer because they're just they're going to accidentally stab themselves in the dick trying to repair a battery or something. I mean, so no one's ever actually hurt themselves with clippy before, but I'm sure they've managed. I mean, so much of this is also just like the thing that I observed the most was just this very, very insightful looking to kind of what the nature of British media is and how protective they are of each other so much so that they're willing to kind of be willing to let people

die to kind of maintain this industry. And I'm sure that if any of these respectful people hear it, they'll be, you know, outraged by it. They'll be like, how, how can you accuse me, an individual of, you know, of, of, of wanting people to die? Like, are you saying that I condone terrorism? And to a certain degree, like, I think for certain people, yes, like do you absolutely do. They do. They, whether or not they recognize it, they condone it. Because like do be like that though, you know, because even with Islamist terrorism, and you know, it's been a decade of like the war on terror has gone on for over a decade. And during that time, almost everyone in every community has really had to reckon like in the

Muslim community has really had to reckon with like everything that happened, right? In, you know, when, when this war on terror was going on, like, actually, what was very interesting was that there were lots of Muslim communities who were very supportive of the war on terror to begin with. They were like, if you're going to like legitimately eradicate extremists, then we support you because these people have tormented us as much as they've, as they've tormented you. You know, and it's kind of really bizarre to think about now, but actually, even in my own community, like in the early 2000s, like a lot of, a lot of our community members supported the Iraq war for this reason. We've always had to sort of compromise, even when we've

known that, oh, this is going to have huge implications for the rest of us. It's only been younger generations that have been able to see through this and be like, oh, actually, when they're talking about war on terror, what they're meaning is that all of us are implicated. And as the war on terror has gone on, like, as I said earlier, you know, you have like very well funded think tanks, some of whom have writers like Douglas Murray, who like, you know, Douglas Murray is a nominally like head of like a nominal head of like the Henry Jackson society or something like that. He has a column on the spectator, his whole book about, you know, the death of Europe is fundamentally rooted in the idea that like as Muslims move into Europe,

like it's becoming less European and it's becoming more like quote unquote, Arabia. Now, he kind of like buttons it up with a bunch of other stuff, like, you know, closures of churches and everything, but his main argument about a child pornography in a chocolate store anymore, like Muslims coming to take it away. His main argument is fluttered in this kind of conservative language of like mass immigration is causing, you know, the decline of like decline, the decline of Europe. And even though the statistics don't prove that actually the people who make the statistics are, you know, biased and they're racist against white people. But hey, if you go down to Whitechapel High Street, you'll see exactly what I mean.

Just to bring this back around again, there's no pleasing them. No, there's nothing that they want that it's possible to give them. And you know what else is there's going to be more of it? Yeah, there's going to be more here. There already are threats of it in Birmingham and and there already have even like even in not obviously not so even not such as as harmful away, but there have been more and more physical threats and attacks made against MPs as like furors whipped up against them. And then when things inevitably get worse soon, it's going to be the same people who are blamed. Oh, we no deal Brexit would have been great, but the Muslims somehow stopped it from being good and there are going to be more attacks.

I think actually there is pleasing Mark Francois. I think the scenario that I think would finally calm him down would be if we got a load of children, right? And we dressed them up as members of the European Commission and sort of placed them on top of a hill and a kind of machine gun nest. And what they were doing was firing paintballs down at Mark Francois. Meanwhile, he has an assault rifle loaded with live ammunition and he's dressed up as an army man and him and some of his friends get to get to charge up the hill and shoot all of these children in the face with live rounds as they pathetically bladder them with paintball guns and shout something about the Belgians. And then they all get awarded the Victoria Cross by Katie Hopkins, who's now the

Queen for some reason. I mean, I mean, the Victoria Cross really is a participation trophy, isn't it? Holy shit. Oof. Oof, Maron. Oh, fuck me. You can decide whether you're an army. You know, we're keeping that with spicy. We have like all these army people like in my DMs threatening to like start a war with me. I was like, sir, sir, the Victoria Cross is a participation trophy, but I'll tell you what's true. Maritocracy, the Isis flag. I'm so good. I'm going to get a lot of campaign metal. I'm definitely getting arrested next week.

Woo. Wow. That is one that I'm I don't know about you guys. I am. I think I have to go to bed or go on vacation or something. I don't know whether we bummed out at this point. Like writing the notes for this episode was a real fucking bummer because you just have to look at most of our societies just looking into a void and putting their dicks in it. And that's where we are. And that's where we're going. And I don't really see a way out of it. In some ways, I'm kind of geared up for the void. Like, I don't own property. I don't really have any money. Like, I mean, fuck it. You know, we thrust ourselves onto the void and see what happens in the grand scheme of things. I mean, I'm not a landlord. I'm not a small business owner. We can all live here and

just have one big towel if we have to like what's the worst we have a studio. We have a ps4 that we haven't hooked up. We have a towel fucking bring on the fucking void. Yeah, we can podcast through the void, bitch plug from me tomorrow on the 27th of March. You'll be there's a smoke comedy where the headliners are moon and also a classic friend of the show Olga cock is going to be there. So if you like comedy, please buy to get to that because I'm still homeless. So, you know, bear that in mind. Link in the description as always. And as ever, we're going to be at as ever, as as until April. I mean, we'll see what's maybe we're in the void at this point. If we're not in the void, then we're going to be at Bristol transformed on the 5th of April. If you live in

Bristol or live near Bristol, do come to that. It's going to be the Friday night, but you get entry to the show. If you have a ticket to same the Bristol transformed, I have a book. I have things to public. I have things to push bills to pay by my book. Yeah, it's in my bios. I need to pay for family courts so that I can see my wife's boyfriend and see my kids again. The book is good. The book is good. So buy it, please. Got pen and pixel art on the front. Yeah, I am. I am. I am. I am writing to my publishers right now. We've had a fight about the cover for a long time, but I'm going to say, look, I know that like it's a month until publication, but I want to change the picture. I want to change the front cover to to Brendan O'Neill

in Ed and Paula with Ludacris with like very with random like email phones around him. Some role while is oh yeah while is bitcoins, a shock, just anything. That's it. That's all of society now. We know what it is. That's what it is. We live in a pen pixel album art cover because we live in these people's dreams of the past and that's fucking fine.