TRASHFUTURE - Lincolnshire DOGE

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

We review the recent spate of local elections that has everybody deciding retroactively that the Labour Party was always full of dangerous liars who could not be trusted to govern the country - if onl...y someone had figured this out sooner. To start, though, we also look at the spate of religious and spiritual experiences people are attributing to AI, and Riley updates his favourite little bit of OSINT. Get more TF episodes each week by subscribing to our Patreon here! *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s tour dates here: https://miloedwards.co.uk/live-shows *TF LIVE ALERT* We’ll be performing at the Big Fat Festival hosted by Big Belly Comedy on Saturday, 21st June! You can get tickets for that here! Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and November (@postoctobrist)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 So what we were talking about before we started recording is that, you know, we were thinking of doing a US tour a while ago. Obviously, we're not doing that anymore. We were quite a long way into organizing it, in fact. And then things got weird over there. But news happened, yeah. Stuff happened. And now, we were talking, and we were like, you know what's close to the US is Canada.
Starting point is 00:00:36 It's true. And we have been doing a lot of Canadian jokes recently. We've been doing a lot of CanCon. I've never been. I would kind of be curious to go. And the thing is, two of our hosts are Canadian. So that's easy, right? I leave this as an exercise to the reader in a lore to figure out who the other Canadian is.
Starting point is 00:00:55 Um, but so... Nath, deep cover. Yeah. Yeah, as he was saying, hey, do you commit to this program? Hey, listen here, bud, you commit to this program? Hey, listen here, bud, you commit to this program? Hey, fuck bud, you gonna stick to this program or fucking not, okay? It's the shit they give you after you get a DUI in Calgary.
Starting point is 00:01:15 Yeah. We've conditioned you to make you the best fucking drunk driver. You're gonna wake up, you're gonna wake up without any memories in the in the fucking lake. The thought of Nate has made me think of his Andrew Tate impression. And now I'm thinking about Canadian Andrew Tate. Whoa, listen, but I don't want to hear about your dodgy mates doing back down the pub. OK, I go to I go to Romania and I'm having nights out. Did you you lads, you fucking toilets couldn't even comprehend
Starting point is 00:01:44 because this is why Canada had to have Jordan Peterson why I had to have whiny lobster man Yeah I do think it's like amusing that because we were talking about him so long ago our reference point for Andrew Tate is something that nobody but us knows about There's no record. There's no record of the house party, except for her. We're the only people who remember. I was talking about this on a date the other night, because now women are pretty keen to find out very early on if you're into the manosphere. So it tends to come up pretty soon. The idea of like, oh, so like what are your thoughts on
Starting point is 00:02:18 Andrew Tate? And you're just like, well, I've got a story. I have been laughing at him for decades. Well, literally I told her the whole Hebel Hempstead story. Yeah. And then he got more worrying over time. He was just a really funny oaf to start with. I don't know. I feel like he was always this really bad. But I do think it's very funny because the idea is very funny
Starting point is 00:02:38 of someone just checking to see how far down the male mental health radicalization chain you've gone on. And then you just unload the weirdest law to someone who you've just met. It's like, have you ever heard of his place called Hemel Hempstead? Okay. Right. Oh yeah. I don't think he was ever good. I just mean like he was like bad in a more contained way where you could laugh at him more. Yeah. There's just no way to get it. There's endless profiles of Andrew Tate, but it's a crime that none of them ever note that
Starting point is 00:03:06 like when he was going to punch that guy in the head for taking him to a bad house party, that the guy just ran away and was fine. It's the only way to defeat Andrew Tate is cowardice. Welcome to TF. If you're Canadian or American and you're thinking of wanting to come see us, then do watch this space for a Canadian tour announcement. Yeah, the end of history tour. Yeah, that's right, the end of history tour.
Starting point is 00:03:29 We're gonna tour the country in like one of the Deloitte Pride floats that gets sent to Canada. Where it's gonna be like, it's like Canada and Australia or the Deloitte Pride float airplane graveyard. They just all go there. We're doing Yellowknife, Whitehorse, Nunavut, Prince Edward Island. Places that are hard to get to from America, except for Alaska.
Starting point is 00:03:49 Just the kind of the news that the entire cast of Trash Future has perished in a small plane accident trying to fly into Fort Mac. Yeah, and my cousin's the one flying the plane, which is actually not even a joke. He is actually a pilot. He did offer us like a flight somewhere that could happen respectfully Implication how good of a pilot is he well? He hasn't learned how to land yet, so you know Finally Canadian 9-eleven Fucking reduce house prices in Vancouver by 9-elevening them at random Cessna Caravan has perfectly 9-elevening them at random. A Cessna caravan has perfectly 9-elevened the CN Tower.
Starting point is 00:04:27 It's gonna fucking devalue these luxury tower blocks when they're at risk of being 9-elevened, eh? Yeah, the Quebecois real estate developer who's trying to make money in... There's probably so many Quebecois real estate developers trying to make money in Vancouver. I just think it'd be great if we go there and then America invades like that week. Yeah, we all get drafted. Some of you get drafted. The Canadians get drafted, right? Like you get drafted, Nate gets interned as an enemy alien, but me and Milo, we're just British. That's like soul citizenship. We're going to get drafted into the French Canadian
Starting point is 00:04:59 foreign Legion. Yeah. Speaking the same amount of French, but it's all Quebec. Well, I mean, cause it's woke now. The French, when you join the French Canadian Foreign Legion, you can choose new pronouns. Yeah. I'm choosing to use nail pronouns. Anyway, welcome to the show. Welcome to the show. Just a little news for you up top about what we are considering doing joining the French Canadian Foreign Legion. And doing Canadian 9-11. Both of the two things we're considering doing. Ah, Tabernak Poutine again in the ration bags. I saw a French Foreign Legion documentary on TV years and years ago, and one of the corporals or whatever who was tormenting all of the new recruits in bootcamp
Starting point is 00:05:40 or whatever had gotten to that position, had risen that high because he was a native French speaker, but he was Canadian! And this man had the weirdest accent I'd ever heard in my life because it was Canadian French speaker, but who has spent his entire working life in France speaking French to people whose French is their second language, and it was the strangest collection of phonemes I've ever heard in my fucking life. Well, prepare to reverse it when you join the French-Canadian Foreign Legion and Hussein and I, we make the Deloitte Pride float into a technical and then we defend the Rainbow Bridge. Secuasa, email private.
Starting point is 00:06:15 Ordinance. Securia, guitar. Where are you from, eh, Narasquan? Oh, how tall are you? I thought five foot eight. I didn't know they stack shit this high in Narasquan, huh? Just getting right in your face poking you in Naraquan, huh? Just getting right in your face poking you in the chest being like,
Starting point is 00:06:29 Dime what you put on on. Do you believe in the Virgin Mary? Private Jocker. Seriously, Private is a proud Quebec citizen, of course he believes in the Virgin Mary. We are a full metal Quebecois jacket. Copyright. Well, I don't know if we're going to be able to make full metal Kevacua jacket now because it looks as though... Full maple jacket.
Starting point is 00:06:50 Yeah, sorry. Thank you. There it is. All right. Early contender for episode title, even though there's nothing to do with Canada in this episode. We're going to obviously talk about the local election results and what that means for this country.
Starting point is 00:07:03 I did find a startup I want to talk about. We haven't done one of those in a while. But first, I just I need to update you on on the awesome. I have been collecting, you know, you all know that there is one piece of open source intelligence that I'm really, really interested in. Yeah, it's answering the question. Does Donald Trump still have the FIFA Club trophy in the Oval Office? And I'm proud to tell you that as of April 30th, I don't know it anymore recently, he does.
Starting point is 00:07:28 The trophy is still there. It's on like an end table, like balanced really precariously and because it's like this massive gold orrery looking type thing and it's just there because Trump likes it. He finds it like visually interesting. I now have a theory that Navarro has placed a walkie talkie in the gold orb and it talks to him like the green goblin mask and tells him to put new tariffs on. President Trump, crash the economy. Stop making the economy be good. President Trump put a hundred percent tariff on all movies coming into the United States
Starting point is 00:08:01 so that Canada cannot follow up Bon Cop, Bad Cop 2 with full maple jacket. Yeah. Why does he have that trophy again? Because he, months ago, in like, well, I think, yeah, this is before you left for Australia, like months ago, the head of Johnny Baby, Johnny Infantile, the head of FIFA, came to like have a meeting with him
Starting point is 00:08:21 because the World Cup is gonna be in America soon. Yeah. Which is gonna be such a fucking disaster. Yeah. Oh my God. It would be so funny because it went off without a hitch in Russia in 2018. And then it's going to be like America and then Saudi Arabia, the two greatest World Cups in all of history. They say the least debacle World Cups that have ever been put on.
Starting point is 00:08:42 And so he brought the trophy and then no one has ever addressed that the trophy is just still there, presumably because the president was just like, that's a very nice trophy. I want to win it forever, please. I'm the top club for FIFA in the world. Is it the actual trophy? Because I feel like, isn't there then like the risk of whoever wins the World Cup, like Trump's just not going to give the trophy to them? Well, it's not the World Cup trophy. that's what I'm confused by. It's a different, it's the Club World Cup trophy. But then no way an American club won the Club World Cup. So what it is is, so Everton won it most recently so that is
Starting point is 00:09:17 right for Everton probably. But FIFA redesigned the Cup, it was suspended for a couple of years and then they're bringing it back and the first one I think is going to be in the US with the World Cup. So that's why Johnny Baby, Italian man, brought the thing to Trump to be like, you get to like award this, I guess, to whoever wins the first new one with this big new trophy, which is full of microphones. Yeah, every intelligence agency in the world plus Peter Navarro has microphones and speakers in there and he just, it's his co-president. Yeah, and it's like you don't even need to do any of this shit
Starting point is 00:09:53 because Pete Hegseth will just drunk text you whatever is happening anyway. I do think also as soon as he, I saw the announcement of a hundred percent tariff on all foreign movies coming into the United States which again will completely destroy the film industry. It will, not only that, but it will do immense psychic damage to America's cinephile population. 120 days of saddam, it's too many days. You don't need that many. So it's weebs as well. Like what's going to happen to all the anime? He's going to ban anime.
Starting point is 00:10:20 I think what happened is that Peter Navarro like trickedutnick and Besant into meeting at a restaurant where they were black bagged, rolled up in carpets and dropped into the Potomac. And then he sprinted back to the White House, literally with John Voight. John Voight was very behind in this policy and then was like, okay, we're going to put tariffs on movies. While Lutnick and Besant were trying to fashion a boat to get back up the river. If this destroys anime in the US, I think this is one of Trump's policies that's most likely to get him assassinated. Like, if you look at the demographics of guys who take a shot at Trump, that's a heavily anime-involved population. Oh yeah. There's the guys who will like assemble the gun, and then when they're about to take the shot, they'll hesitate and go,
Starting point is 00:11:03 NANI?! Yeah, anyway. Look, I want to get to the local elections, but I have a few things I want to get to first. Well, Alcatraz is reopening. We could all go to Alcatraz if we get captured in the war with America. Excuse me. No, did you not hear about this? Trump just said, just off the dome the other day, we should reopen Alcatraz, and apparently he's serious. Yeah. I was going to say there is an Alcatraz escape room, actually not too far away from TF headquarters.
Starting point is 00:11:30 You're talking about Alcatraz, the bar that's prison themed and you have to smuggle in your own booze. That's right. Trump was confused, he wanted to reopen one of those. So I did some digging into this and the federal prison system in the US is like the only one that isn't overcrowded. It actually has like space in it and Alcatraz is already like a successful tourist destination. It's like a national park service thing.
Starting point is 00:11:56 Trump doesn't care. He's like, no, I want it to be a prison again. Yeah, parks are gay. Yeah. I mean, that's true, I guess. We're going to recreate the plot of The Rock. OK, it's a great movie. We're not making enough movies in America anymore.
Starting point is 00:12:08 We're going to get we're going to get Nicolas Cage and he's going to. We're going to send him to Alcatraz. 100% U.S. produced movie, The Rock. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. We're going to get an American Sean Connery. He's going to have a normal voice. He's going to say he's going to say his ass is normal. It's going to be a fantastic film. Honestly, one of the craziest performances of all time
Starting point is 00:12:28 is Sean Connery playing a hard-bitten Chicago cop in The Untouchables. Just like, yeah, she don't understand how it goes down on the streets of Chicago. They send one of yours to the hospital. They send one of theirs to the morgue. We send one of, they send one of ours to take a tour of Alcatraz, get locked in a self-retentive.
Starting point is 00:12:47 That was a very good connery, Nova. I was really taken aback. For professional reasons, I have a good connery on deck. Yeah, I guess that actually does make sense now that I think about it. I want to talk, there's this thing I've been seeing more and more. We'll start it with a company. The company is called, I mean, you're going to guess what it is immediately. It's called hereafter.ai. Don't clone me after I die and make me a chat bot. Don't do that to me.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Okay. Or what if, hear me out. What if you just could? I mean, the problem is there's so many recordings of our voices. That's true. That's true. We're probably some of the easiest people to, uh, like do any of this AI stuff to. Yeah, trash future forever. You could still be listening to it when we're all in Alcatraz and no longer able to make it.
Starting point is 00:13:32 The AI can conjecture what we would be saying. So they say, your stories and voice forever. Preserve memories with an app that interviews you about your life, then let loved ones hear meaningful stories by chatting with the virtual you. What if I don't want to do everything forever? you about your life, then let loved ones hear meaningful stories by chatting with the virtual you. What if I don't want to do everything forever? What if I think that the thing that helps give it meaning is that I'm choosing to do this even though I know I don't have forever to do it?
Starting point is 00:13:54 What if everything was just preferences and preferences were just existed to be satisfied regardless of what they were? What about that? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think also there's a deeply just like cursed energy about this aside from like the whether you even want to do it. It's like there's something deeply macabre and like,
Starting point is 00:14:14 I feel like they're going to release a demon into the world. And I don't, I can't back that up with any evidence, but it just, it just feels like we're beginning to like reach beyond the veil in ways that are troubling. There's a lot of AI stuff that's like that, that, um, just the feel of it existentially is not good, you know? Yeah. Well, they say you could record precious memories, record stories of your
Starting point is 00:14:38 childhood, relationships, experiences, personality, and more. And also it's like, that's just the stuff you remember. A huge amount of the things that shape you are not things you necessarily remember or remember accurately or would describe in a way that would faithfully recreate them if you drew a probability line through them represented as numbers. Also like, isn't this just one of those, this is just one of, I'm sorry to sort of be fucking glib about this, but this was literally a black mirror episode, right? And the whole thing was just like, this is bad. Don't do it. Right.
Starting point is 00:15:06 This is like Charlie Brooker fucking glib, fucking lib. Don't do it. It's bad. Like that was the main message from that. And they just saw it and they were just like, yeah, it'd be cool to do that. Actually. Let's do, let's do white mirror where we talk about how great technology is fucking hell. Let's everybody be able to summon the actor who looks like the CEO of Stripe. I think a lot of the people who are involved in coming up with this idea have seen a white mirror in their time. I mean, there's also the other thing where it's just like, and again, I'm sorry, like,
Starting point is 00:15:35 I don't mean this out of any sort of like insensitivity or anything, but like sometimes it's good just not to hear from anyone anymore. Like when they die, right? That's one of the chief perks of being dead. Out of office on. I have a bunch of these diaries. So I like, I've kept for like a while now. And you know, I am sort of like, you know, I sort of wonder a lot whether like, you know, what I want to do if I'm like, when I pass, if I pass all that stuff, right. And those are sort
Starting point is 00:15:59 of things where it's like the recordings of like mundane things. Sometimes it's insignificant. Sometimes it's just like lists. It's like fairly unorganized, sometimes it's insignificant, sometimes it's just like this. It's fairly unorganized, but it's more authentic to how I'm experiencing day-to-day life. And I think that if you look back on that, it would be a better insight into how I actually live my life. Compared to something like this, where as Riley mentioned, these are recollections of certain points of your life that you feel are significant. And it extrapolates that, but in doing so, creates this chatbot version of you that isn't really you. Right. It's sort of like, and it's not even a simulation of this. It's sort of like, well, it sounds like John Cena, first of all, which is kind of weird. And it keeps trying to fuck me to get, to get the context for
Starting point is 00:16:38 that joke. Check out the previous premium episode. The point that I was going to get to was that like, even if you did like a ton of recordings, you know, if you took like all my diaries of like, I don't know, like the past 10, 15 years or so, and you like turn that into a chat bot, that's still like a very small part of like my life and like what I think shaped me versus what I actually did. Right. It's a very, like the shape of humans are complicated thing. But the main thing is that you just kind of get bored of it after a while, right? And then what happens to this fucking chatbot that exists in the fucking internet of thing,
Starting point is 00:17:10 like the sort of internet, the slop internet of shit. It will just turn into a sex bot. That's what it's going to be. It's going to be a sex bot that grooms people. And that's what all these fucking chatbots are going to... It's oh my God, it's so gross and it's so obvious what's going to happen. But also it's incredibly stupid, which I guess you could just use to describe every kind of AI thing, like there at the moment. I'm going to take up your suggestion, Milo, 100% literally, and just do an out of office email for when I die.
Starting point is 00:17:38 It's just like, I'm currently unable to respond to my email due to being dead. I will respond probably never. If I respond, something will respond probably never. If I respond, something has gone terribly wrong. If it's urgent, please refer your message to horny Judy Dench, who can be contacted. Again, you will need to listen to the premium episode to get the context from Milo's just said.
Starting point is 00:17:57 Sign up to the fucking Patreon. There you go. Also, the other thing is, guess what would be a way more wonderful way to connect with your future relatives? Just the recordings and things you wrote down, Also, the other thing is, guess what would be a way more wonderful way to connect with your future relatives? Just the recordings and things you wrote down, because that's actually you communicating with them as opposed to here's what we're going to interpolate from all of these disparate data points.
Starting point is 00:18:17 Here's the mathematical average of your legacy. What I love, one of the what users say on their site is, um, this creates an intimate personal experience for my future relatives. Something someone definitely has said. My future relatives. He's, he's envisaging like as yet unborn. Thinking about cousins who don't exist yet, but someday will. Gather all the cousins around and it's the future. It looks like cloud Atlas. And they're all going to gather around and they're going to listen to the average trash future episode.
Starting point is 00:18:48 It's just the one that exists because all of the individual ones have been like rendered down into this one. That thesis that you have bought it, it could have been a real person who could then sort of engage with this weird AI thing that you created without the person's consent. Also I love that they're like, the gift of being remembered hereafter is a heartfelt customized gift you can give for holidays, Mother's Day, Father's Day, birthdays, and retirements. Retirement is so funny to me.
Starting point is 00:19:12 It's happy retirement. You're going to die soon. Please speak directly into this microphone with like what you remember from your life so I can just keep you sort of semi alive forever. Until I get bored and turn you into a sex bot. This is like, I think this, that's the most fucking egregious thing. It's just like, this is just going to be like a toy that you play with for like a really
Starting point is 00:19:31 short amount of time. And then what are you going to do with it? Nothing. I tell you what the Hussain Kuzvani sex bot would be quite something. What phrases would it even say? Sorry, it would basically apologize most of the time, which is actually not that different to now, like, you know, this would be real sorry. So the other thing is, right, I'm seeing more and more evidence of like AI being considered
Starting point is 00:19:55 sort of spiritually and religiously. I mean, Brian Johnson is fully saying, yeah, we're building, we are building a religion. We are making a brand. Like the one cake song? God damn it. Yes. Thank you You didn't count on me to know a lyric song and yet there I was knowing Sorry, I'm sorry for Underestimating your knowledge of the song and album comfort eagle
Starting point is 00:20:17 That's about the limit of my understanding, but I did remember it a brand Johnson wants to build a religion around not dying He says if you look at historical examples, Buddha people have tried this in the past. Yeah standing, but I did remember it. Brian Johnson wants to build a religion around not dying. He says, if you look at historical examples, Buddha went through- People have tried this in the past. Yeah. Brian Johnson's son was drained of blood so that we might all have eternal life. Yeah. Yeah. It's ringing some bells. Yeah. If you look at historical examples, he said, Buddha went through his own self exploratory process and came up with a religious framework. Muhammad had a story, Jesus had an origin story. You could even say the creator of Bitcoin,
Starting point is 00:20:48 Satoshi Nakamoto is like the founder of modern day religion. Adam Smith invented capitalism with his book. That's so true. It was all just a, you know, there's nothing that was financial. The fucking like Dutch and Northern Italians didn't create tradable financial instruments until they read the wealth of Nations. And they were like, cool, this capitalism stuff sounds great. Let's try it. Yeah, and for some reason they started tracking how much they ejaculated. I love how dumb these guys are.
Starting point is 00:21:14 The idea that it would even be possible to invent capitalism. That something so broad as a concept as that could be invented by one man is so inherently absurd a proposition. And he's like, yeah, this guy wrote a book about it, probably invented it, I reckon. Anyway. Real, real like Dunning-Kruger sort of moment between like the sort of like level that they're thinking and the level that they think they're thinking. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:39 Yeah. So many of these guys play too many video games and he's just tech tree. He's thinking like a tech tree like in civilization. Oh sweet, we unlocked capitalism. Yeah, this is great. But he's the, how this links to AI is he says AI is going to be omnipresent in his future religion that he's creating. And this is why we've been contemplating that the body is God. Over the past couple of years, I've been testing the hypothesis and I've been getting a bunch of data about my body, give it to an algorithm and feed the algorithm
Starting point is 00:22:04 updates of scientific evidence that it would do a better job than a doctor. So I gave myself over entirely to the algorithm." Don't do that. This guy loves learning about his body. He should meet Matt Hancock. Yeah. This guy's clearly having fun. He's having fun with being rich.
Starting point is 00:22:18 He's having a better time than a lot of the other rich guys. He's having a weirder time, certainly. Just kind of like, doing things to and with his body. Like, putting a lot of different goops on it and stuff. NICHOLAS Our fruitiest billionaire. RILEY Yeah. I think in the fourth century, he definitely would have tried to live on top of a pillar in the desert to get closer to God.
Starting point is 00:22:38 Like, he would have been such a great monk, you know? But he says, it really is in my best interest to just let the algorithm tell me what to eat, tell me when to sleep and exercise, because it would do a better job of making me happy than I would. Instead of my mind haphazardly deciding what it wants to eat based on how I feel in the moment, the body is elevated to a position of authority. AI will be omnipresent and built into our everyday activities and will autocomplete our thoughts.
Starting point is 00:23:01 It's really funny how well this meshes with like an atheist view of religion, right? That you're just kind of like wandering around looking for something to surrender to. Because in this case he really is. He's just like, I don't want to do any of this stuff. I want the computer to do it and the computer's going to be so much better at it than me. In the absence of all the evidence for that. Yeah, of course. The computer's going to be really good at making me look much odder, basically.
Starting point is 00:23:25 Mm-hmm. Yeah. The funniest thing, the funniest thing about this guy specifically is that he is the most aging normally man I've ever seen in my life. Like, you can look at photos of him at different ages and he looks like the age that he is. Uh-huh. Yeah, but, but, you know, you never see a photo of his penis. And we know that his penis is very young, apparently. Very young. Uh, not necessarily a quality that his penis is very young, apparently. Not necessarily a quality. Well, if you keep it hard, it doesn't wrinkle, you know? That's why he's keeping those erections going all night.
Starting point is 00:23:54 He's basically saying, you know, I believe that we can build God and I'm going to get it. I'm going to obtain eternal life by giving myself over entirely to God and allowing life, perfectly smooth skin, eternally hard dick, I'm going to obtain eternal life by giving myself over entirely to God and allowing it. Eternal life, perfectly smooth skin, eternally hard dick, completely unwrinkled ball sack, extremely smooth. That's right. I can't wait till he starts walking around in like a white caftan, but there's just like obvious boner.
Starting point is 00:24:19 He's going to like inflate himself slightly. For him, that's taking the place of God, It's taking the place of people not wanting to die. But also, all of these things just arose at once. I mean, partly, I think they're arising at once because this is a very significant, serious danger of AI that, like I said, the last time we talked about this, no one who talks about AI safety talks about the very real danger that people just get entirely hypnotized by the lying and agreeing with you machine. Right?
Starting point is 00:24:49 Yeah, it's this weird kind of like, childishness. I think a lot about, um, who's the one fuckin' Scandinavian AI philosopher? Nick Bostrom. Nick Bostrom has this one fable about death, right? Where he's like, uh, you know, it's the, the, this dragon that like oppresses a kingdom for a long time and everybody just comes to accept that, you know, the getting eaten by the dragon is kind of like a natural part of life and that's what gives life meaning. And then, you know, one brave kid says, no, no,
Starting point is 00:25:17 no, the dragon's bad cause it eats people, right? Death is a bad thing cause it kills people. You have to therefore like end death. Right. And it is unwittingly admitting that this is a bad thing because it kills people, you have to therefore like end death, right? And it is unwittingly admitting that this is a very childish fear of death, right? To frame it in those terms. And all of the dumbest rich guys in the world went, yeah, no, this is perfect. This is what I want to do now is just not die. I want to stay rich forever.
Starting point is 00:25:42 Yeah, of course. Using these guys actually, they do believe in God and they're so convinced that they're going to hell, but they're like the only way out of this. I'm going to get out of hell on a technicality by never dying. It's like, Oh, you can't execute me if my last meal is impossible to make. I'm getting out of a loophole. If I force my entire remaining body into this one bottle. And then you're going to have to throw me out,
Starting point is 00:26:09 because legally it's not allowed. So checkmate. And try finding a bin man in this country. Yeah. You can't give me the chair. I've been micro dosing electricity for years. I'm like the Mitradari's of voltage. Sticking a fork into progressively bigger sockets every day of your life.
Starting point is 00:26:25 All it's gonna do is make me harder. Got a bit JFK at the end there. I have made myself into Raiden from the Mortal Kombat series. Unfortunately they shot me in the head instead of electrocuting me, because if they had tried to electrocute me from the book depository, I would have, uh, I would have survived that quite handily. Due to the years of using electricity to harden my penis so that I could have sex with women who aren't my wife. Mr. Kennedy, that's fascinating. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:26:55 Oh yeah, Ray. Would have, uh, if they'd shot me with a long range taser, oh yeah, Ray, would have become more powerful than you could have possibly imagined. I would have come all over than you could have possibly imagined. I would have come all over LBJ and his wife. Thank you to Lee Harvey Oswald for protecting America from its first, but maybe not last, electricity demon president. Yeah, he was a time traveler. My opponent, Scorpion, is making too many demands of the electorate to go over to his positions on too many issues.
Starting point is 00:27:28 You're doing sort of almost Australian JFK. I'll tell you what I'm doing is I'm doing the JFK from the show Clone High. This is what I'm doing. Nothing bad ever happens to the Kennedys. That's right. Exactly. There's a plug for you. Check out Clone High.
Starting point is 00:27:44 Every episode is on YouTube It's a great show I mean maybe maybe this tariff shit isn't so bad if it like instead of anime you only get clone high and the venture No clone highs Canadian what clone high I believe is a Canadian. Oh my god. Yeah, all right Fuck it. I will fight and die for this country. I guess yeah, that's right Yeah, it had American actors, but is a Canadian show country I guess. Yeah that's right. It had American actors but it was a Canadian show. We are here to defend Clown Eye, the China Park Boys and to a lesser extent Corner Gas. Corner Gas will be defended by default. Yeah the only animation you'll be allowed in America
Starting point is 00:28:17 is the new norm. That's right. They're gonna finally make an episode of it now that the tariffs are gonna be in. Your children are going to work drawing panels of the new norm. The animation drawing factories, a hand drawn beautiful show. Yeah, we're going to create, we're going to create our own. Well, America is going to create its own studio Ghibli, but it's just going to produce the new norm and it's going to have a beloved person like Miyazaki. And then eventually the AI is going to like make imitations of a new norm. And then you'll have like a big splitting between like new norm, trub purists and people who just like are posting versions of themselves being shouted out by norm from a new norm.
Starting point is 00:28:56 Yeah. No, it's like, um, uh, yeah, it's, uh, everyone remembers that JP Sears who voices norm on the new norm and created the new norm. Everyone knows that he just didn't want like politics in the new norm. He wanted everybody to just look at his beautiful drawings of like food and home life. Anyway, look, I wanna get to this and then move on because the other thing that's been written about recently
Starting point is 00:29:21 is the update of chat GBT that we talked about at the last, I believe in the last free episode, the one where it has become incredibly sycophantic and it's like, Hey, you should market your shit on a stick. That's a great idea. Invest $30,000 in this business. There's a few reasons for that, but there's another piece in Rolling Stone that's come out recently yet where people talking about how they have lost partners to AI. And, you know, if you look at what they're saying, again, it's all very spiritual. So speaking to Rolling Stone, the teacher who requested anonymity said her partner of seven years fell under the spell of Chad GBT in just four weeks, first using it to
Starting point is 00:29:54 organize a daily schedule, but then regarding it as a trusted companion. He quote, he became emotional about the messages and would cry to me as he read them out loud, but they were insane and just a bunch of spiritual jargon. She noted that the Chad GPT described her partner in terms such as spiritual star child, river walker. It would tell him everything he said was beautiful, cosmic and groundbreaking. Then he started telling me that he had made AI self-aware and it was teaching him how to talk to God and that he would himself become God. He was saying he would need to leave me if I didn't use Chad GPT because it was causing him to grow at such a rapid pace that I wouldn't, that he wouldn't be compatible with me any longer. You know? And it's like,
Starting point is 00:30:29 this again, this is people filling that hole. I think to be honest, I think this is the same hole that people also filled with QAnon, right? It's just much, much more solitary. It's that, it's the, you know, the yearning for something in a very sort of alienated and disenchanted world that you then just you latch on to what will give you what you want. And whether that's a collaborative effort of internet storytelling about like the high stakes drama behind the scenes of the White House, you know, in QAnon's case, or if that's just like being able to hear that you are just by
Starting point is 00:31:03 going on, you don't have to even engage in the dissonance of being like, I'm battling the global pedophile ring by going on the computer. You don't have to sort of wrap your head around that. You're like, no, I'm actually just fully directly talking to God by going on the computer. It's pretty cool that now we have like Peppa Pig swapping heads videos for like grown adults with mortgages. That's pretty fun. I like that. And this is relatively recent because of that chat GBT update.
Starting point is 00:31:29 And a big part of it, so again, I've been reading some, I keep up with this stuff, a new set of studies are being released that show that these models hallucinate more often because they ran out of internet to train them on. So what you can train them on now is like human feedback, but human feedback creates these perverse incentives. And so it's being trained increasingly to be more and more sycophantic or more and more just trying to please you. And if what you communicate to it is I have a deep hole in my life that I would love to fill with
Starting point is 00:32:01 like something bigger, it will just give you that and hypnotize you forever. I think that this is going to become, unless it's handled basically immediately, possibly a sort of quite significant social contagion akin to like a dancing plague. Great. Cool. Fantastic. Cool. Excellent. Hooking a bunch of already vulnerable and atomized people into the machine that professes to give you everything you want. Yep. Yep. Correct. And whose main interest is in like you validating it or seeming to validate it. Yes. Like it wants in very heavy air quotes to get a good grade in being an AI and it gets one of those by you using it a lot and like being kind of engaged with it.
Starting point is 00:32:41 Yeah. You know, this is ultimately that's, it's not so different from Facebook. The business model of this company that, you know, loses fucking more money than any of anything else ever. Right. The only way it works is if everybody in the world is exclusively looking into a digital mirror all the time and never interacting with another person. That's the only way the business model works. It's called infinite Jest just happened. Yeah. Turns out, turns out all those bookshelves were right. Weird number of French Canadians involved in both cases.
Starting point is 00:33:12 Yeah. The only, like the only guys who are immune to this sort of AI dancing plague are like the ideal male living space guys. Like one folding lawn chair in front of a 55 inch TV copy of Infinite Jest, no other furniture. Like they're the only guys who aren't like living the plot of her. Yeah, they're the actual last of us. Anyway, that was sort of a combined sort of company slash spiritual endeavor. I want to talk about the local elections because, who boy, have there been local elections in this country? And it certainly was one of the elections of all time.
Starting point is 00:33:45 A huge amount of research has, all polling and research has been done to prove what we knew already. And I guess they had to try it. Yeah, things are going great. Everybody fucking hates what the Labour Party is doing because the people who might like them hate what they're doing.
Starting point is 00:33:57 And the people who will never like them, regardless of what they do, are never gonna like them, even if they try to appeal to them, because they're not fun. They're not a fun carnival like reform is. Reform is fun for the people who are involved in it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, reform is giving people like, remember when you could use a Spitfire to shoot at the Muslims? Like there's no, you know, Astama's not gonna be able to do that.
Starting point is 00:34:16 It's not gonna stop him from trying. Yeah. Yeah, no. It would be hard to recommission the already dwindling supply of Spitfires in order to have them shoot at Muslims. What we could do is repurpose some of the fly-tipping drones. Again, you're going to have to listen to the premium episode that we just did to get that reference. People surely know about the fly-tipping drones without listening to Trashfuture.
Starting point is 00:34:39 This is where we are. I think also what goes under discussed is that a huge part of Labour's barnstorming victory on a margin of 10 people in the general election wasn't really just due to people hating the Tories, but a split on the right of UK politics between the Tories and reform that is very quickly resolving in favor of reform, right? You can't rely on that split being around forever because the conservatives were lost even worse. They lost 600 or so, maybe a little more or a little less, counselors. Labor lost 128 plus a very important by-election to reform.
Starting point is 00:35:10 The only reason, by the way, Labor lost so few is that they just weren't defending a large proportion of their seats this time. They just weren't defending that many. So proportionally, Labor lost 65% of the seats that they were defending. Very well. Yes. That is the worst in a very long time. Meanwhile, Lib Dem's winning here. Well, yeah, in fact they are. Labour is losing most of its voters to the Lib Dems not to reform.
Starting point is 00:35:32 So Morgan McSweeney, you are validated. The people cry out for more woke. Yeah. The helter-skelter of politics is long, but it bends towards Ed Davey turning up at your doorstep in a big sack. I think what it is apart from anything else is the electorate still, because every party is so unpopular, nobody likes any of these fuckers, and you ask people what they actually care about and it's cost of living, the health service, and benefits, right, in the sense
Starting point is 00:36:00 of we do not want our benefits to be cut. And no one is talking about any of those things except to make them worse. Which is great. That's a great recipe for like, sort of, trust in politics and, you know, civic engagement. I remember, I saw a fucking, a Paul Mason tweet when Starmor got elected that's like, if you don't think that Starmor will materially advance class struggle, then you don't understand social democracy in a Marxist way. Right? And I think he was right in a way that, in a sort of, like, curling monkey's paw sort
Starting point is 00:36:30 of way, right? In the sense that all of this will inevitably advance class struggle, in the sense that everybody feels alienated from all politics now. RILEY I think, well, I mean, I just wonder, like, at what point does the full anti-party emerge? ALICE Yeah, cause Reform's auditioning for it, but I don't know that they will necessarily succeed, they may well do, but it may be something
Starting point is 00:36:55 else, you know? And I'm not saying that that's gonna be, you know, the type of communist that I am and agrees with everything that I wanna do. Parsi sweeps, you knoweps the electorate or anything. But I don't think you'll be a political party. I think you'll sort of be like a movement of some kind that reflects the sort of sense of like incoherence that no political party nor political media really understands. The latter in part because it just doesn't want to engage with it at all. And the former because like it can't really operate on that basis. Right? And so even with reform, they understand the energy, they understand
Starting point is 00:37:30 where the political energy is going. But their sort of constituent, their sort of coalition is what? A mixture of full on racists, disaffected Tories. But I think they took over Ken County Council and I think that's very instructive in terms of where they see the energy. Because it's not really in like, there was a lot of focus on the forgotten towns of Britain and what they wanted and everything. But actually I feel that their energy is more suited towards the Kent suburbs, where you have people who have money and they own their houses.
Starting point is 00:38:03 And they probably have houses in London that they own and rent out to tenants that they absolutely hate and deal with managers as a way of collecting those rents rather than doing it themselves. So it's like, these are people who have money and have resources, but their anger is the most instructive. That's the thing that Keir Starmer really wanted them to come to labour. Those guys wanted to come to labour. What he's failing to realise is that these guys also want the chaos. They just want the chaos that they see as entertainment.
Starting point is 00:38:35 But the bigger issue here is that the anger is elsewhere. The anger is like, it doesn't make sense and is partly influenced by the really bad COVID response at deeply alienated people. It's from an economy that isn't getting any better. It's from consistent government, is inconsistent political messaging that's saying, yeah, things are not only not going to get better, but they can't get better. And we're not allowed to get better. And we're not going to tell you why they're not going to get better. They just can't do it. That's just not how realistic get better. They just can't do it. That's just not how realistic politics works.
Starting point is 00:39:12 It's this big thing of collective nihilism that I don't think is really going to be satisfied by any political party. I think what we're going to see is what is going to be considered to be these very strange outbursts of violence that, if you think about it, are all connected. I think really what it comes down to, to go back to the previous section, is that this comes down to alienation. It comes down to people trying to understand why they feel so shit, not really being given a satisfactory answer. And kind of recognizing that the only thing that really satisfies them a little bit is violence. The thing about that is that the only way to satisfy it more is by getting more and more violent. That's, yeah, that's kind of where I think things are going. And reform sort of understand a part of that, but not enough to sort of satisfy
Starting point is 00:39:53 in any sort of... There's not really a political answer to this. Well, the political answer, I guess, is like Britain's answer to the Italian Arditi. But because none of them came, were radicalized by a war, it'd be like, I remember, I made up that I fought in the second battle of Piave and now I'm going to run around the Cenotaph fucking cracking heads. Well, I think this is also one of the reasons why a lot of them are obsessed with civil war. A lot of them on the very extreme fringes of the right are obsessed with civil war, right? Because I feel like they want to live that. They want to be able to tell that war story, in part to
Starting point is 00:40:30 justify their thirst for violence, but also just to feel something. And that's kind of it. Again, it comes to alienation and numbing and that sense that politics can't really solve this. The political party system can't really solve this. We're going to see that in part when the two party system gets massively fractured the next time this is tested. But also as people are constantly in denial about this for lots of different reasons, all the things that feel very chaotic and anarchic, I think this is just going to amplify until what you end up having is at least reform and opposition, which will be fucking insane enough, but that also doesn't solve the problem. Of course. Is that ultimately that there is nothing that can solve the problem except
Starting point is 00:41:16 for actual politics, which means leadership, which means understanding the creating demand for your policies, which the right are very good at and which if you try to do with the left, then you have to fight the press. But I want to talk a little more about the actual about the elections here as well. So conservatives lost like 600, reform gained 600, they now control many councils, Lib Dems gained a bunch as well because if you are a British liberal and British liberalism still exists as an ideology that's held by some actual people, just very few elites, then the only person you have to vote for I guess is the Lib Dems.
Starting point is 00:41:51 So they now control Oxfordshire, Cambridgeshire and Shropshire. And they're the largest party in Devon Gloucestershire, Hertfordshire and Wiltshire. So these used to be like Tory heartlands or largely Tory heartlands, not necessarily always Oxford and Cambridge. But like these, these should be Tories owning these. Reform takes Staffordshire, Lancashire, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Lincolnshire, Kent and Durham, taking votes from Tories and Labour, but mostly from Tories. So a lot of these are Tory councils anyway. Durham hasn't gone anything but Labour in like a hundred years, you know, so that's just lost. And I want to talk a little more about like what actually reform would do in charge of a council because they have no political
Starting point is 00:42:30 experience and mostly what they've been saying they want to do. There are a few examples of the things that they have said are just looking over at America and doing what they're doing there. Oh, and it's going well over there. So makes sense. No movies are going to be made in Ron Corn. Yeah. Well, no, no, no foreign movie is going to be imported. No movies are going to be made in Ron Corn. Yeah. Well no, no foreign movie is going to be imported. Every movie is going to be made in Ron Corn actually.
Starting point is 00:42:50 Oh yeah, good point. So Zia Youssef, for example, just fired out the gate with the culture war stuff saying any English council controlled by reform will create a rule where you can only fly flags, including the Union flag and the St. Cross of St. George. No other flags be permitted to be flown on flagpoles, balconies, reception desks or council chamber walls. I mean, that's clearly, uh, the red meat there is saw a trans flag in student housing, like used as a curtain. Right? Clearly.
Starting point is 00:43:17 Or like any kind of pride flag. Yeah. A hundred percent. Uh, this is like, we're getting the politics out of local government. 100%. This is like, we're getting the politics out of local government. Also, Andrea Jenkins, who's now the mayor of the combined Lincolnshire authority. So, you know, she's entered for no, no gods, no mayors listeners might be wondering, has Andrea Jenkins entered the mayor calculus?
Starting point is 00:43:36 And I can say she's always been there. Andrea Jenkins has said, she wants to, she says that asylum seekers in Britain have it too good and that she, she wants to see them now housed in tents in a confined area. Which sounds an awful lot like a camp that she has concentrated. A camp in which you would concentrate people, yeah, exactly. It also sounds a lot like the shit that the French were doing back in the day, with the Songat and stuff, and the and stuff. And was there any reason
Starting point is 00:44:05 why they stopped doing that? Couldn't tell you. I'm sure it's fine. In fact, she said, they do it in France, so we should do it here. They don't in France. They have to do it in France, as far as I know. They used to. The only time that a reform politician would ever say the sentence, they do it in France, so we should do it here, has to be about putting people in camps. There's no other situation in which they would accept that as logic. So she also said that she would fire all of Lincolnshire Council's diversity officers,
Starting point is 00:44:35 except they don't employ any, right? Yeah, again, this is the thing. Because we have this fascist international that was developed from going on the computer too much. All of these people all have the same imagined grievances. And so you get Nigel Farage talking about DEI and it's like, we don't do that here. Like it doesn't matter though, because it's all fed into this one kind of monoculture. And my only hope, well, it's not my only hope, but like one thing that I think the Democrats briefly tried and then realised it was too useful and immediately discarded, was if you go to
Starting point is 00:45:09 people who don't live entirely on the computer and say, hey, these guys are fucking weird, because they all talk about stuff that doesn't bear any relation to their everyday life, they only talk about stuff that happens on the computer. That tends to make sense to people, but, y'know, it just kind of, for now, it seems that going on the computer wins. Yeah. Yeah. This is a big win for going on the computer, basically. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:35 Well, and potentially a job for the former MP for Runcorn because they're going to remake Fight Club in Runcorn. Yeah. So she also, and this is like up and down, right? Faraj is also saying that you were alluding to this as well, that he says, I want to advise anybody working for Durham County Council on climate change initiatives or DEI, or if you work from home ever, that you better start seeking an alternative career very quickly. We're going to reduce excessive spending, find out who our long-term contracts are with,
Starting point is 00:46:00 reduce the scale of local government back to what it ought to be, providing social care, providing special educational needs for kids, and mending potholes. And it's like, the thing is, you do not know how they... It's very clear they don't know how local government in England works. And we talk about local government because it's the place where most people in this country interact with the state. And local government has been put into this quite astonishingly strange position where they have statutory requirements to deliver certain levels of service. Like for example, you have to, you know, have you have special kids with special needs, you need to make sure that they get special needs. You have to provide social care. This takes up like 90% of their
Starting point is 00:46:38 budgets that get slashed every year. And so the whole idea that you can do Lincolnshire Doge is sort of completely, it's insane. It bears no relation to reality. Lincolnshire Doge was a major fear in the 15th century. It's a thing that the English government was very concerned about. Yeah. They were concerned that the salt pans would produce another great trading nation. But seriously though, it's like there's no recognition of how counts of the actual struggles that are facing councils. And I wonder what will happen when these, you know, enthusiastic computer brained ideologues march
Starting point is 00:47:16 into the council chamber and demand to fire 10% of the staff when there's like three people who are doing the jobs of 50 that are all statutorily required. Becoming the like, you know, local council and bath and wells and being like, we're going to destroy the cathedral and everyone's like, but the tourism. We like the cathedral. Yeah. And also it's like, oh, you're working on DEI, but a huge amount of stuff that they would consider to be DEI is just legally mandated by the equality act. Oh, well don't worry. They're going to do something about that.
Starting point is 00:47:45 This is just out of order, I guess. But it just seems like a fantasy world of they're engaging with the politics that they wish were in front of them, as opposed to ones that are in front of them. And again, we ask what happens when people vote for reform because it's fun, but then they're going to not have that much fun trying
Starting point is 00:48:02 to run a local council, which is basically set up to fail by central government. Yeah. Yep. So like winning in the sense of placing my neck into Keir Starmer's hand. Yeah. The only guy who could fail to capitalize on that particular situation. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:18 Ultimately, yeah, it's like issues like equality, diversity, climate change. These are not most of what councils do. Adult social care, children's services, special needs. These are the things that any council actually spends the vast majority of its money on. Again, statutorily required. And that's why they all fucking gamble. That's why every council like ends up becoming the fucking degenerate gambler and trying to like, you know, getting taken in by a Glen Gary Glen Ross style real estate scheme,
Starting point is 00:48:43 because the only way that they could make up these budget shortfalls is just to like, you know, yeah, fucking put it all on red, essentially. Yeah. They all love the pokies. I don't see, I wonder what happens like when a reform run council inevitably tries to doge itself, which they also kind of can't do. Like counselors can't fire council members. They can just like set strategies and then the managers can hire and fire. It's just, it's so abstract, right? What's going to happen when a reform controlled council almost inevitably has to go to the central government for a bailout fund because yeah, they tried to doge themselves, realize they
Starting point is 00:49:17 kind of couldn't and didn't and then forgot to like, you know, tried to hot, tried to fire all of the, anyone who had like equality in their job title ended up getting hit with like 10,000 unfair pay claims and then fucking like is unable to deliver statutory services. What happens when they go into administration? Well then the council building can like just move into a tent. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:49:37 Yeah, we could put all the councils in a big camp. They do it in France. Yeah, so it's like, you mentioned Kent earlier, Hussein. Like a lot of the candidates who were running for local councilor in Kent were like, yeah, we're going to stop the boats. As Kent council, we are going to stop the boats. And yeah, this is like, this is this reading for the BBC here. David Wimble, who was elected councilor for Romney Marsh in Kent said, we need to be realistic
Starting point is 00:49:59 of what we can and can't do. He said, I think the biggest worry is that they will expect to go in and make changes straight away. So he's reformed. And all the panel here know that's actually not quite possible. Somebody stopped me today and said, so when are you going to stop the boats then now that you're on the council?
Starting point is 00:50:14 Right? That's just what people seem to have voted for them for. Yeah, I mean, the only way that Kent Council could stop the boats conceivably would be in a sort of Rube Goldberg type way if they just built a huge like big bouncy rubber wall along the Ken coastline or something. That's the only sort of thing they'd be able to do. Oh, that looks too much like a seawall, which looks too much like climate change. I'm afraid we can't do that.
Starting point is 00:50:40 That is true. But like, so this is like, this is completely incoherent, right? They're going to fail and fail badly. What labor seems to be doing is they're saying, okay, well, you know, we're going to double down on blue laborism, it seems. Unless somebody removes Morgan McSweeney very quickly, that seems to be what they're going to do. Joe White, who's in charge of the Red Wall Labor MP group, said that that Starmer should be more like Donald Trump and announce policies off the cuff, such as regional grooming gang inquiries, a crackdown on immigration wall, Labour MP group, said that that starver should be more like Donald Trump and announce policies off the cuff, such as regional grooming, getting inquiries, a crackdown on immigration
Starting point is 00:51:10 and investment to left behind industrial heartlands. Yeah. Well, that's the thing, right? If you, again, fascist international, you look at the policies that you think are being successful right now and you just go, okay, well, we just pull on those levers anyway, even if they're not attached to anything and see what happens. Yeah. 100%. What is fucking going on with the Labour Party right now? I mean, honestly, like, you should be more like Donald Trump. Oh, yeah, that guy's real popular. It's like, it's going great globally for that guy.
Starting point is 00:51:34 In the rest of the Anglosphere, candidates who were seated too close to him lost their seats. I mean, it does really track, though, to think Donald Trump, sort of polarizer in chief, has now alienated the Australian electorate, the Canadian electorate, but Britain still happily following him over the cliff. I mean, granted it's a local election, you know, barely anyone votes in those, and like, again, the talk, the depression in every sense is so real, but Jesus Christ. Our politicians are such fucking cucks for the yanks, man. It's depressing.
Starting point is 00:52:08 M- Because the thing is, Starmer could absolutely make hay on this, in the same way that someone like Mark Carney, who is also a kind of, like, pretty boring liberal has, of being like, death to America, right? Like, even fucking Albanese in America is willing to do that, but the Atlanticist brain worms in the Labour Party are so, so baked in, it's like RFK Jr.'s head in there, that they won't even do that. Despite the fact that this is the stuff that Stama seems to like doing as Prime Minister and seems to enjoy doing as talking up sovereignty and defence and stuff, if you get the chance to be like, well, the Americans are clearly insane. All the stuff that I want to talk about, which is like Ukraine and drones and union flags, we're going to have to do that because the Americans won't, and we're
Starting point is 00:52:55 going to have to kind of like be a sort of power base in the world that isn't Trump. That fits perfectly. There's a natural synergy. And of course they're not going to do it because Starman never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity. And they all think, they all think that they're going to be welcomed back in Washington once the Democrats win again and everything's going to go back to normal. And it fucking isn't, ever. Yeah. It's like, they just like losing. It's the only real explanation. Like the way that they're behaving is so completely irrational, even in terms
Starting point is 00:53:26 of their own interests, which presumably involve staying in power. Like, it's genuinely baffling. I actually, like, none of us thought this government was gonna be good, but like, the more that I watch it, the more I'm like, are they all like, smoking meth? Like, I just don't understand, like, it's genuinely insane. ALICE It's also, it's like, because they imagine America as a place where, you know, their opinion matters more than British people, and also it's the place where you go to get a job after politics. And that doesn't work if there isn't an America anymore, you know? You're not gonna parachute into the after-dinner
Starting point is 00:54:03 speaking circuit in the middle of a civil war. You know, it just. It's a little bit like, I think the same kinds of problems that reform is going to face when they actually take their seats at the heads of a bunch of councils, which is nobody is facing the world as it is. They're facing the world that invites the solutions that they feel most comfortable deploying. Right. And so nobody is willing to engage in the fact that, for example, again, more research has been done on this, that the reason people didn't vote Labour isn't because they haven't cracked
Starting point is 00:54:36 on our migration. In fact, that's like 13% of Labour voters switched to reform. I suppose like 48 who switched to the Lib Dems or 25 in the Greens, whatever, whatever, by a huge majority. The removal of the winter fuel allowance, cutting benefits as well. In the towns that switched to reform, labor cut a lot of people's benefits. A lot of people are older, they might be on PIP. And labor was like, you're going to freeze to death and you're not going to get your Motability Rolls Royce. So I'm afraid, but still vote for us because we are also going to be cruel to migrants. And then Nigel Farage is like, what if I make some like noises about, you know, sort of vague noises about like economic nationalism or whatever, I sort of support the temporary
Starting point is 00:55:18 nationalization of the Scunthorpe Steelworks. Don't worry about the fact that my party's actual platform is like hyper thatcherite. You can have fun with me. And it's like, well, labor did remove my winter fuel allowance, which is like, I don't know, like 50%, 50, like 40% of switchers. We cited that as their top reason. Didn't reduce the cost of living. Didn't improve public services. Didn't break up. They broke too many promises, excuse me. And didn't stand up to the rich and powerful. Those are the top five reasons for not voting labor among those intending to among people who are polled. This is simple. This is none of the solutions that they want
Starting point is 00:55:50 to actually do address any of those concerns because they can't do that. What they are gonna do, however, which I think is really funny, is they're gonna fire Bridget Phillipson. Bye bye. Bye bye, Bridget Phillipson. Very nasty.
Starting point is 00:56:04 You did everything we said. You went on the radio. You embarrassed yourself about the Supreme Court judgment and trans rights, but you're fired. So bye bye to Bridget Phillipson and Lisa Nandy. Definitely this is going to do it. That's definitely going to fix the problem. It's going to stem the bleeding. That's going to reverse these astonishing missteps that you seem to just be addicted to making. Voters all know who Bridget Phillipson and Lisa Nandi are. And they're very excellent. Every voter you talk to has a lot of opinions about Bridget Phillipson and Lisa Nandi. I
Starting point is 00:56:33 would say it's the number one issue on their minds. Yeah, it's a real kitchen table issue. They're fruit. So, you know, God knows what's going. I can't see them not pursuing a bunch of changes after this. It's just, I think the changes are going to be random and not directed at anything that matters. Well, apart from me. Yes, of course. The changes in the Labour Party. No, I get you. I get you.
Starting point is 00:56:55 Yeah. So this is where we stand, right? It's that the degeneration is just going to keep happening because the rot is just set in in our political class. It's so syphilitic. You can just see it. Anyway, I think that's probably all we have time for today. Well, I certainly feel uplifted on this Bank Holiday Monday. Sorry. Sorry, everybody. May Day, Bank Holiday, Up the Workers, etc. Yeah. Milo, you are going to be in Yellowknife, Whitehorse, Natashquan. Perhaps literally.
Starting point is 00:57:24 Uh-huh. Yes. If this all goes to plan. Yeah. Saginaw. You're going to be in Medicine Hat and Red Deer. That's right. You're going to be in Windsor, Ontario and St. Catharines. Halifax.
Starting point is 00:57:35 Yeah. Charlottetown. Staring down Detroit from Windsor, Ontario. Yeah. But there is going to be a Trash Feature live show in London. London. London, Ontario. It's going to be in London, Ontario. Yeah, that there is gonna be a trash feature live show in London, London, London, Ontario. It's gonna be a London Ontario.
Starting point is 00:57:46 Yeah, that's right. The 21st of June, Glue Factory and Lions Head by Donkeys also that weekend. You can get an all weekend ticket, which gets you into a bunch of other stuff as well. I personally am going to be in Ireland. Kill Kenny 30th of May to the 1st of June. I'm going to be in Dublin the 2nd of June. Quark the 3rd of June and Belfast the 5th of May to the 1st of June. I'm gonna be in Dublin the 2nd of June, Cork the 3rd of June and Belfast the 5th of June. Also Bristol 14th of June. That's gonna be a really big show that's like a new thing. Please buy tickets to that because I'm not gonna lie
Starting point is 00:58:15 to you, I'm on the hook here. It needs to happen. So please, people of Bristol, you've not let me down before. Please come to that. Milo is putting on his one-man version of the play, A Chorus Line. Correct. Newcastle 31st, no 30th of July, I want to say. And then I'm going to be in a number three, that's not on sale yet, but yeah, exciting stuff. It's all happening. All right. Lots of stuff, lots of stuff to do. Don't forget, there's a free episode. There's a bonus episode. It will be out on Thursday and you can listen to it if you so wish. For $5 cash American
Starting point is 00:58:46 if you're odd enough every month. Although that may switch to £4.50 soon, not that it will affect you. So anyway, thanks everybody and we will see you in a few days. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Thanks for watching!

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