TRASHFUTURE - Magna Carta Landlords: America Version feat. Sam Knight

Episode Date: March 30, 2021

This week, we’re joined by Sam Knight of the District Sentinel (@TheDCSentinel) to discuss a U.S. Supreme Court case that may make it even harder for union organizers to meet with farm labourers in ...the US. With the exceptionally rational and normal composition of the Court, chances are good that this could make things even worse. We also discuss Prince Harry becoming the chief engagement officer at a mental health startup in the US, because why wouldn’t he. If you want to read Sam’s article, it’s available here: https://truthout.org/articles/supreme-court-case-on-farmworker-protections-could-end-up-harming-all-regulation/ If you want access to our Patreon bonus episodes and powerful Discord server, sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/trashfuture We support the London Renters Union, which helps people defeat their slumlords and avoid eviction. If you want to support them as well, you can here: https://londonrentersunion.org/donate Here's a central location to donate to bail funds across the US to help people held under America's utterly inhumane system: https://bailproject.org/?form=donate *WEB DESIGN ALERT* Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/ Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and Alice (@AliceAvizandum)

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, and welcome back to this free episode of TF. It's the free one! It's the free one! You thought we forgot the joke, but we didn't. Welcome to the free one! Welcome to the free episode. You're listening to Riley and the free one! You are listening to Riley and the free one!
Starting point is 00:00:36 You're listening to Riley and the free one. Up next, we have a great new song from Johannes vonk and the clog heads. It's called Radar Van. I think you're going to love it. But before that, we have a little advertisement for a number of companies, products, labor union organizing. So that's going to take about an hour and a bit. And then I'm sure we will transition to the song.
Starting point is 00:00:59 Great. So, I would like to first say hello and ask how you're doing. Talk to your phone. Just say it. I'm sure I'll get the vibe. And also to introduce my... Wow, all of you... Wow, that's depressing.
Starting point is 00:01:13 Oh, you're all good. At least pulls the recording and talk about your breakfast. Talk about your day. It is Riley, Alice, Nate and Milo. That's right. We are very happy to be joined, in fact, by Sam Knight of the district Sentinel and co-host of DC Sentinel Radio. Sam, how's it going?
Starting point is 00:01:35 Great. Thanks for having me. Long time listener, first time caller. You're through to the free one. Yes, that's right. Sam, you are the 40th caller. I was expecting to speak with the Gooch. The Gooch is out this week.
Starting point is 00:01:56 Filling in for the Gooch is the free one. The Gooch is in rehab. The Gooch has been arrested for shoplifting. That's right. We can afford good lawyers for him, but he'll be fine. He'll be fine. So, look, I had this written down in the notes. I've taken it out, but it's too fun not to just address really quickly.
Starting point is 00:02:18 Our favorite actively managed fund, the Arc Innovation Fund, has a new price target for Tesla. Its current price is $600 billion, which is already ridiculous. I would like to do a quick round of guesses. Sam, what do you think that the 2025 price target is from this very serious investor that actually does drive quite a bit of money? I would say $960 billion. Okay, price of price is right rules. You're not over Alice.
Starting point is 00:02:52 What? Now Alice is going to say $961. I mean, Christ, is $1,000 billion a trillion? Yeah, $1,000 billion is a trillion. Yeah, fine. That $1 trillion. Still not over price is right rules. Milo.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Is it a $1 trillion dogecoin? That is epic. That is about a billion dollars, I think. I don't know what dogecoins value that right now. That's not very much. Damn. Shit. Nate.
Starting point is 00:03:27 $1.1 trillion. All of you need to dream bigger. $3 trillion. Wow. $3 trillion? 25% of the U.S. GDP. That's their bulk. That's Arc's bull case for Tesla in 2025.
Starting point is 00:03:42 It's four years. What the fuck are these people smoking? Are they for seeing hyperinflation? They've assumed that Tesla's production is going to multiply by 20 and that it's going to provide every autonomous taxi journey in the country and world. Cool. I can see that happening. I didn't see what would happen.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Sure thing. And also what's very funny is they assume that their in-car smart insurance program that changes your premiums minute to minute based on stuff like the weather, how you're driving, whether you have the windows down, is going to make more profit than any other insurance program ever. So is that why my car is like barrel rolling through the air? My insurance premium is going up.
Starting point is 00:04:21 It seems like you're driving pretty unsightly. Another flip. Yeah. Yeah, we're giving you the fucking Tony Hawks pro skater thing. It's like this combo score. Have they figured out a way to make energy companies that harness the energy of exploding Teslas? That's the only thing they can explain.
Starting point is 00:04:43 I kind of see it. Maybe they've also figured out a way that the economy can be based on Elon Musk's reply guys. Yeah, that's what we've done. We have taken the entire US and turned it into an internal combustion engine where exploding Teslas are in fact the fuel. It's just wild to me because when Boeing was determined to have released a plane with the critical flaw known as plane go down, that actually affected their stock price.
Starting point is 00:05:07 And yet Tesla, despite its spontaneous combusting cars, that has not affected them. In fact, there was a brief sort of wobble, but now it seems to be back up again because our economy is based on rational thinking. It's based on vibes. It's based on vibes on Twitter. And Tesla has the most powerful brained fans who will be like, asking Elon Musk to be like, Mr Musk, sir, I love your work. I think you're very epic,
Starting point is 00:05:31 but I don't think it's that epic that I was burned to death by my car. It's pretty epic. When the thing caught on fire, all of the doors fell off at the same time in an unrelated thing. I'm not going to say it wasn't epic at all, but it wasn't as epic as usual. It kind of was epic because it was like epic meal time. Like Tesla, the car that might cook you at random.
Starting point is 00:05:57 That's a pretty epic meal time. Here's the other funny thing, is now that you can buy Tesla in Bitcoin, if you wanted to buy Tesla because it's clean energy, why would you want to buy anything in Bitcoin? It's like a currency, the value of which fluctuates massively minute by minute. Also, if you wanted to buy an electric car
Starting point is 00:06:13 because it's better for the environment, you can now offset that by buying it in Bitcoin. Yeah, that's cool. Bitcoin also uses electricity. I didn't want to spend too much time on the Tesla thing. I saw that, it was very funny to me. I do appreciate the idea of an offset, but to make things worse. Like you have an evil offset.
Starting point is 00:06:32 Yeah. Like I'm a vegan because I don't like eating animals, but I do like destroying the environment. So like every time I eat a vegan burger, I also just like, I don't know, fucking buy a barbecue. I'm paying a Brazilian guy to destroy part of the Amazon for me. Yeah, it's a carbon onset. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:06:50 So I want to also- I like it to be warm. I'm turning up the thermostat on the earth. I want to sunbathe in Kent. Wait, we all do, Milo, come on. Yeah, that's all right. Who wouldn't want to go to a wonderful- God, where's-
Starting point is 00:07:05 Ram's Gate. Yeah, Ram's Gate. Baz on C. Margate, etc. Margate, Ram's Gate. I want to talk briefly also about the ongoing, you might say, deterioration of the human rights situation in England at the hands of our wonderful constabulary.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Oh no, not the human rights crisis in England. Oh fuck. That's where I am. Yeah, finally we can get refugee status somewhere. So basically, Avon, we also basically write, there was a series of demonstrations against the police connected to the murder of Sarah Everard by a police officer, and also connected to the passage of the policing and crime bill,
Starting point is 00:07:40 which basically criminalizes annoying conservatives and police. And which they timed beautifully. To coincide with a huge upswell of people hating the police. One of the elements of this bill is, if you are annoying people in your area, then you basically can be classed as a violent protest. Oh, that brings back the ASBO. Yeah, effectively, yes, but a much more,
Starting point is 00:08:03 all of these have always been culture war tokens, right? Like the ASBO was to criminalize the sort of dangerous and idle youth. This is to criminalize anyone who isn't currently wearing a dad's army shirt. It's very sort of, it's very much like the first year of law school where you drink too much and you're like, well, probably the thing with the laws is the government just does whatever the fuck they want, don't they? Like basically what we're doing here is we're rejigging
Starting point is 00:08:31 the existing offence of breach of the peace and putting it on a slightly different statutory first thing, but breach of the peace and now I guess public nuisance is just the we can arrest you for whatever the fuck we want law. It always has been, to this extent, that's not new, but what's new is that they're codifying that much more explicitly as just, yes, whatever. And also, you know, it goes up to a maximum,
Starting point is 00:09:02 I think 10-year prison sentence. Yeah, for upsetting a statue. Yeah. It's bad news for my favorite pastime of parking up in front of the Winston Churchill statue in my tiny little Volkswagen and then having 50 clowns get out of the back. Depressingly, the public nuisance thing is not the most evil part of the bill. The most evil part of the bill is creating a kind of hyper trespass
Starting point is 00:09:29 purely on the basis of like, are you a traveler? If so, we are making that illegal. And it's like that. That's more or less. Dave Courtney buying a caravan as we speak. That's right. So it is basically one of the worst pieces of legislation to come out of the British government in quite a while, which is an achievement.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Yeah, it really is. So what happened was, you know what? It's going to be illegal to live a nomadic lifestyle, basically, without a permit. Basically, there is a major... Where's your fucking nomad license? And for American listeners, there is more or less an ethnic group in England and also Ireland and Scotland and Wales that does live a nomadic lifestyle
Starting point is 00:10:14 just as part of their society. So we are essentially criminalizing that. Yeah, their whole thing. The only people who will be allowed to live nomadic lifestyles are people who are inspired by the Who's song Going Mobile to live in a caravan. So basically, only boomers will get those licenses. Everyone else, you're breaking the law and you're going to jail. All nomad licenses have been given to people who like code in the back of a camper van.
Starting point is 00:10:38 Well, you can do that because you're always renting wherever it is that you're going. Yeah. As long as there's a landlord involved, that's all right. But if you're cutting out a landlord, that's just not English. That's not all right. So a little bit more detail here. What happened was, in Bristol, there were protests against this law. They were peaceful, much like the protest in...
Starting point is 00:10:59 Much like the vigil for Sarah Everard last week. These were peaceful protests. Then the police arrived and started kicking the shit out of people and then taking football dives. The police always have this amazing talent for arriving just as the violence kicks off, which I think shows the amount of training they give the police. It's just in time manufacturing, but for police fights. Exactly. They know just when to show up.
Starting point is 00:11:19 At the last second. Although, did you see that one of the statements that Avan and Somerset police put out was from the fucking operational commander on the ground who was like, in the assessment of my team, in their professional judgment, by sitting on the ground outside a police station, these people were aiming to provoke a violent response. That's the whole statement, which to my mind sort of begs the question of, and so therefore we decided to give them one.
Starting point is 00:11:52 How could... How could you give people what they want? What's the problem with that? How could you possibly be... So by that logic, could a police officer just say, he was crossing the street in a way that I found threatening? Yes, first of all. They were sitting aggressively in relationship to myself and my colleagues.
Starting point is 00:12:08 The ladies and gentlemen there were in a sitting relation to our position and we found that sitting to be of an aggressive nature. At which point we advanced to diffuse the situation by beating them on the head with batons. Well, in fact... Hey, that's as that Labour MP tweeted. Toby Perkins tweeted. Exemplary use of the baton. He put on and then sent people to a clinic.
Starting point is 00:12:37 Yeah, he's a Kenda guy. So I have to ask to interrupt for a second just to ask Sam a question because I left the US before the BLM protests kicked off last year. Obviously, I remember it happening in 2014 and other moments, but obviously it was a huge thing nationwide. And I remember I saw lots of footage of the cops being horrible bastards in America because our cops fucking suck. I'm wondering though, do you recall any instances in which Democratic politicians were like,
Starting point is 00:13:03 God, hell yeah, I'm so glad they did crack that fucking guy's head. What a great job. I love it when cops kick the shit out of people because that was the Labour Party that was doing that. You know, that seems actually worse than anything I can recall hearing from a Democrat. That's not to say that it didn't happen. I think the Democrats here were a different type of awful in that they would say like, oh, black lives matter.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Oh, and by the way, we have to give $40 million in various city budgets to the police because they've had to work overtime this summer for the protests. But you know, various local jurisdictions are terrible in their own way in ways that I'm not privy to all the time. And I think that, for example, Chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot has been particularly bad and might come close to the Labour MPs in this regard. I think one of the big differences is that in the Democrats, those Labour MPs didn't have a count.
Starting point is 00:14:08 That's right. The Americans, the Democrats are like, they want to seem like they're sort of quite right on and with you and stuff, and they'll do all the same stuff that the Labour MPs do. The Labour MPs fucking hate you and actually are more, they more than the Tory MPs want the police to kick the shit out of you because there's nothing the Labour that or that section of the Labour Party now back in charge again, hates more than everyone in the country and just wants them to get the shit kicked out of them.
Starting point is 00:14:38 And you were saying that this was the worst legislation in a while, but I seem to recall, I think it was last year, was it? Didn't Parliament pass a law basically saying that all the spy cop stuff was OK? Yeah. And so that now they can pretend to be kids in hoodies drinking on the corner in order to commit. Not just drinks. And any crime that the police do for an operational reason,
Starting point is 00:15:08 the police or the intelligence services or the fucking highways agency or the Marine and Fisheries Protection Agency do is not a crime. However, anything that you might do that causes alarm to anyone is a crime. Yes. So that's cool. The one thing I wanted to sort of pull out from what you said, Riley, is that like you're right, but there's an extra wrinkle to this, right? Which is the Labour Party, as it's currently constituted, loves cops.
Starting point is 00:15:37 The Conservative Party, as much as they might occasionally pretend otherwise, they fucking hate cops, which is hilarious. There is nothing they love more than cutting the police's budget and calling them plebs to their faces. And the cops are just like, yes, more delicious boot, please. That was something I wanted to throw in there because it blows my mind that, yeah, I mean, obviously Theresa May seemed to have a particular vendetta against the cops, which was hilarious.
Starting point is 00:16:04 But that's a huge difference between the Tories and the Republicans, is that the Tories hate the state so much that that includes the police and the military. They're aggressively cutting the cops in the military. They fucking hate them. They cut the military almost in half since 2010. Yeah, it's like the one thing that actually kind of rules that you fucking hate cops that much. I'm coming back to my theory that the Tories is just like a series of
Starting point is 00:16:28 accelerationist entryists who have just like found themselves with all of the levers of power, but they can't make anything happen. And so all they're doing is just like, yeah, let's fucking cut all of the budgets. What I really enjoyed, though, was there was one Tory councillor in the now since deleted tweet said, ah, we should just bomb Bristol. That was great. I love that. Let's just, what if we just make the Severn estuary much bigger?
Starting point is 00:16:59 Yeah, why not? Then all the battle of the Britain cosplayers would be satisfied if they just bomb Bristol. No trouble is, they're not down in Bristol. It's in their wimps, right? Because they never had the blitz. So if you beer, you bomb them, right? Then they'll be all right.
Starting point is 00:17:14 Like in Basilton, where we had the blitz. What gets me about it also is just the fact that like, okay, the labor hasn't won since 1976, except under Blair. And if you go back and you look at how Blair governed and how the Labour Party governed in that period, you know, from 1997 to 2010, like you can find hundreds of instances of just like really petty, invasive, cruel shit to discipline the workforce and just to be vindictive and mean.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Like the thing that I feel like we talked about, we've talked about on streams, but just like I still continually blows my fucking mind was that they're like, well, we have a problem with teens congregating. So we're going to put in this special device that makes an annoying noise only teens can hear. And that that was like a national priority was to like make a fucking anti dog whistle for teens to scare them away. Like that's just, I just, if someone proposed that in America,
Starting point is 00:18:06 in my personal opinion, it would be like a Joe Arpaio person. It would just be completely fucking insane. And they might like try it and get defrauded by a private contractor doing it. But like it would never be a national priority. It would not be a thing that would be like debated in the House of Representatives. They actually did it. They didn't just debate it. They did crazy.
Starting point is 00:18:23 I know they did it. I know they did it. And I know the fact that they're still around. Some of them are still there. And like, I know people who've told me like, no shit. Like I got a job because I was broke as a teenager working in a corner shop and they had one of those devices installed. So my entire work shift, I was getting fucking blasted by the anti teen camp.
Starting point is 00:18:39 The government has existed. We hate young people. Anyone under 25, they just fucking hate. No, but we're raising the threshold. Give you tonight. We're raising the threshold of the young people we hate. And as you say, it's interesting that you mentioned the Tories also hate. Oh, some Tories actually do because they're a lot of them are crazy libertarians
Starting point is 00:18:58 are now actually the only people voting against the extension of emergency powers to the government for another six months. So labor is voting with the government. Tory rebels are voting against them and they're doing my favorite political thing, which is extremely weird literal or metaphorical protest that only makes sense to them. One MP Sir Charles Walker is walking around with a pint of milk for some reason. Cool. Awesome. Well, I mean, it's something that I remember.
Starting point is 00:19:32 I mean, we've talked about this on the show before, but something that was a surprise to me, you know, upon kind of getting more acquainted with the politics here is that, you know, it's more likely to find conservative MPs who will make public statements and endorse campaigns opposing illegal settlements in Palestine because the Labour Party refuses to touch that issue. But there are like extreme law and oratories who are like, well, no, it's international law and they're reaching it.
Starting point is 00:19:59 Sorry, that's against the law. Yeah. We got a call even in Somerset police on Israel. What's funny is that this guy and a lot of them do very literal protests. Some will be like, I'm eating a 20 year old biscuit in protest, like overreach by the food and food standards agency. This guy says, yeah, I will walk around with a pint of milk forever as a coronavirus law protest. Just a bunch of inscrutable old dude vibes.
Starting point is 00:20:28 I will say this for our conservatives, which is at least when they involve milk in their protests, it's to demonstrate against like laws mandating pasteurization or something. So they'll drink the milk and get sick. Yeah, raw milk is legal kind of shit where they're like, like fuck your laws. I'm going to drink this raw milk and then they immediately get the shits. Yeah, the tree of liberty has to be watered with the diary of patriots. That's right.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Yeah, I mean, that is a good point that yeah, there's this extent to which I keep thinking about like conservatives in America's fixation on my posts must be getting shadow banned because only six people are liking them. You need to, you know, combat that with a law. I think about stuff like weird niche causes, you know, whether it's like a congressperson getting serious about like barefoot, anti barefoot laws or like a congressperson just being like, uh, I yield the floor to my colleague who's going to scream about the trader gulen for an hour because he's on the pay, you know, the payroll of regite of air to one. Like there's, there's just, there's weird eccentric stuff like that too.
Starting point is 00:21:34 But I guess maybe because you're encountering it from afar, it just, yeah, a guy is like, he's going to walk around London with a pint of milk to protest government overreach. I just, I'm looking forward to Graham Linehan being invited to testify on behalf of Republicans at the House subcommittee hearing on censorship or whatever. Hey, Alice, do you think there's a family member that Graham Linehan might bring up while testifying in front of the U.S. House of Representatives? All right, so I have one more quick local news item that I want to get into a startup and then we're going to talk about. They're not a family member anymore. So, um, uh, um, and again, this is, we're going to have to probably talk about this like more as time goes on,
Starting point is 00:22:18 but I just thought this was really funny. Um, Liverpool City Council has basically been suspended by the central government is going to be run. Yeah, for doing corruption and they're going to be run by Robert Jenrick. Yeah, yeah. Elliot fucking Ness is coming to Liverpool. Forget the house. If Elliot Ness was running a competing like fucking pro prohibition racket. Like, yeah, basically, yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:22:45 It's like, it's like, effectively Al Capone has run Chicago for too long and he's run it into the ground. So we've decided to put the city administration and Sam Giancana has been put in place to take over. Like it's, it's, it's, it's the exact, I mean, generic for American listeners who aren't familiar is the housing minister for the Tories. And has been embroiled in a huge scandal with regard to, uh, unlawful uses of funds for, for developer projects and things like that. And the thing about Liverpool's council is that if I'm not mistaken, the mayor got indicted for, uh, intimidating witnesses with regard to a corruption scandal about misuse of public funds for real estate development. Because the economy. Scouts buddy, Cianci. Or do you fork and Cianci?
Starting point is 00:23:23 Like, looks like a guy you would make up for corrupt politicians. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. He genuinely looks like, like Dave, Dave Courtney, except not Jester Jovial Dave Courtney, but just like, he looks like if Dave Courtney was the lead actor on the shield. It's like Gizmo from, uh, from Fallout 2. Now it's my understanding that this is highly illegal. So basically the thing about it is that find me any council in Britain that's doing real estate development, which all of them are because literally if they wanted to build council houses, like they're forced to build them at massive losses. So they don't, um, and they'll be doing the same level of corruption. The general secretary of the labor party is, uh, is massively implicated in a real estate scandal involving Croydon council, um, to the point where like there's hundreds of millions of pounds missing on real estate deals.
Starting point is 00:24:13 Uh, a company that was involved getting funds to real estate deals has now gone into administration, but, uh, he basically sold all of his shares to his wife and like they're still getting money from the council. Like it's a, it's a, it's a massive nightmare. Um, and, uh, and so what, what does the labor party do? Uh, they basically have decided to go along with to support the Tories putting their basically, yeah, putting Sam Giancana in power in Liverpool, the most left-wing cities. The best way I could phrase this is labor has decided to punish Liverpool for voting labor too hard. And so because they know that they can't, that they're there, they would have elect another left-wing mayor. They've decided to let the Tories be in power because that's the ideal state of the labor party right now. This is Keir Starmer getting mad because someone was like, eh, don't know if we should let these kids be staving.
Starting point is 00:25:02 Yeah, that's right. Um, oh my God, this reminds me. So, um, uh, when I was still with my ex, um, she had this like really, really posh friend who I didn't get on with. My wife. But my wife, that's right, my ex-wife. And, um, but she had this really, really cool boyfriend who, uh, I used to go along with. So I often end up like Chang. I always miss those guys.
Starting point is 00:25:24 Yeah, I know. I often ended up like Chang to him at parties and stuff. And he was once, we once got to Chang about Liverpool and he was like, he's like, oh yeah, I have to go there for work. Sometimes he's like, he's like real fucking characters up there. He's like, one time I got out of the train station at Liverpool and I hailed a black cab and I sat in the back and he's like, and the guy goes like, hi from London. Ah, all them kids stabbing each other, right? Fuck an Angham. It's like opening gambit.
Starting point is 00:25:50 Yeah, yeah. So, so I do feel though it's hilarious to point out that, uh, the Labour Party intervened to deselect a bunch of mayoral candidates for Liverpool who are on an all-female shortlist because they didn't want left-wing candidates winning the election. And they're going to if they're nominated because Liverpool's a massively left-wing city. And they've decided that the best, the best thing that could happen to Liverpool is to support the Tories taking the city into administration in an unelected council, basically. This is sort of like, uh, like Michele Tamar taking over Brazil illegally, putting a guy who's massively corrupt and implicated in, in that position because they basically want to discipline their biggest supporter city because basically the new Labour Party policy is anybody who voted for us is an anti-CMI and should be put in jail. Like, and they expect to win an election. So, I don't know what's going to happen. The council candidates were singing Maggie's in the mud away at West Brom.
Starting point is 00:26:47 Yeah, I mean, I just, it drives me nuts because until you, you realize the point of Cure Starmer and the Labour Right isn't to win elections. It's to, uh, it's just to have jobs for life, um, in constituencies that people can't, basically people can't vote anything. But, you know, either protest parties or the Labour Party, they can't select their own candidates. So long story short, you just, I don't know. It seems to me like their job is to destroy the left and to be the backup Tories and to have jobs for life in the safe seats that they get carved out in the sort of like, rump state when the Tories. It's like a fucking, um, you know, designated survivor type situation where like the entire, the entire Tory party has been wiped out. And due to like a weird constitutional quirk, Cure Starmer has to step in as Tory party leader. And look, there are also a bunch of, um, um, articles saying, oh, don't call it, no, it's not a Tory takeover.
Starting point is 00:27:43 Actually, the councillors are apolitical. It will just be managing the expenditure of funds on regeneration, the expenditure of funds has never been political. Now, they did this in Michigan, sort of. The Republican governor and the Republican state legislature passed an emergency managers law a few years after the financial crisis when the state was having money problems. And you know what came of that was the Flint water crisis. Yeah, because out of a desire to save like a similar amount to the amount saved by putting non-fire retardant cladding on Grenfell Tower, they decided they could save, I mean, honestly, a pittance by instead of, if I remember correctly, they were using water from the Detroit River to feed the Flint, Michigan water system.
Starting point is 00:28:36 And they instead said, why fuck that? Let's just use the Flint River, which was so massively polluted from Michigan's history as an industrial center. And, uh, because of the, if I remember correctly, because of the pollution content of the water that was going into people's taps, it caused old lead pipes to leach lead into the water and that still hasn't been fixed. That was as of like 2013 or 2014. What's going to happen similarly to, uh, Liverpool? Perhaps they will burn down the entire city. Maybe they will replace the entire water supply with Coca-Cola or just look to whatever nearest Tory donor has some kind of like scammy business in the nearby safe seat
Starting point is 00:29:13 and turn over highway management to them so that the streets are paved with marzipan. My long career as a sex club owner operator in the entertainment business, I feel more than qualified to take over this sanitation plant. It's, believe me, you have to do a lot of sanitizing down at the swingers club. I tell you, those things don't clean themselves. Some of the things I've seen in there on a Sunday morning, they would make your stomach turn, frankly. That's why I implore the police. Yeah, mate.
Starting point is 00:29:40 They don't give a fuck. We're supposed to be getting in an import of fucking bloody sex arses, but it's stuck in the Suez canal. Gotta take over a new job. Given us a British canal boat drivers having their sandwiches confiscated by Egyptian police because it's a bloody EU. So look, given all I can say to conclude this little section, given Jenrick's history with real estate developers such as Richard Desmond, I am sure many will be paying a top dollar to attend a Zoom conference on Pebble Dash with him, which will be fascinating. A Zoom conference on Pebble Dash.
Starting point is 00:30:12 I assume that's what they might do. Robert Jenrick, stop stealing Britannology content. I found this company. It's called Better Up. Sam, what do you think Better Up does? I think that Better Up is, jeez, I think it is a, is it like something to do with small houses? Well, I'll tell you that since 2013, we have been pioneering growth for the whole person. Is it for chaps and blokes? Yes, it's related to chaps and blokes.
Starting point is 00:30:40 There's a lot of blokes who, you know, might not be, might not be feeling so great. And, you know, they are there, but they're chaps Sue and blokes. And it's important that those chaps, you know, they have blokes to talk to. Yes, that is essentially business. Oh, no. You order less the business. Yes, Milo, you've kind of nailed it, but it's American. Wait, so it's like a men's wellness. No, no, not literally.
Starting point is 00:31:01 Thank you. You got to check in on your dudes. No, no, Milo is only referencing who's recently become involved in it. It is Prince Harry. Indeed, yes. This is the startup that Prince Harry has joined as their chief impact officer. So they say we believe that well-being and peak performance go hand in hand. And through custom support that you may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like. And through custom support and strengthening mental fitness, you unleash your personal and professional potential. The better up experience brings together world-class coaching, AI technology and behavioral science to deliver change at scale.
Starting point is 00:31:37 I love change at scale. Improving individual resilience, adaptability and effectiveness. So it's like a maybe SEAL training, but for like doing JavaScript and being confident about it. How effective are you feeling today? They don't teach you how to do JavaScript, but they will like teach you like coaching. It's like life coaching. He's joined a life coaching company. Okay, cool. And he's Jeremy from Pape Show.
Starting point is 00:31:57 I just wonder how is this going to be used by various levels of government here to replace what pitiful social services we have? Well, imagine if instead of getting say mental health care, there was someone who told you to do better at your job. So you've been fired from your job. Well, it reminds me a lot of when I got fired from my job as a prince. Well, you don't really get it if you get fired from your job. Mostly it's provided to you by organizations who will subscribe to it basically. And then they use an AI system to tell you like what kind of confidence boosts you need. And then someone calls you on the phone and tells you you're doing a good job.
Starting point is 00:32:38 It's worth billions of dollars. And then do they give your boss private information about your therapy? That I don't know. However, they give you a grouped information, not individual. So you pay someone and they treat you like a golden retriever? Your boss pays them. I mean, some people, certain government ministers. Yeah, your boss will pay them and treat you like a golden retriever.
Starting point is 00:33:00 You can pay for it if you want to be treated like a golden retriever, I suppose. So what did you say this was called again? Did they have a website? Better up. Okay. And you can just apply to do this? Yeah, you can be treated like, oh, I know what you're doing. So this could be something where your boss will be like, why do you want to form a union?
Starting point is 00:33:19 We just subscribed you to better up. That's right. Yeah, where do you want to form a union where you can just hire a dom? Yeah, why would you need a union when you can just be chaps and blokes? What is more of a union than the fellas? Milo, please read Prince Harry's book. Read Prince Harry's statement. Okay.
Starting point is 00:33:36 First of all, I'm really excited to be joining the better up team and community. Thanks for having me. I firmly believe that focusing on and prioritizing our mental fitness unlocks potential and opportunity that we're, sorry, I'm reading ahead and fuck me, that we never knew we had inside of us. As the Royal Marines Commandos say, it's a state of mind. We all have it in us. The Royal Marines Commandos don't say that. Some marketing people came up with that for the, anyway.
Starting point is 00:34:02 The Royal Marines Commandos probably say something like, oh, hey, get that guy's ear. I want to put it on my necklace. No, hold on. I know exactly what the Royal Marines Commandos say. The Royal Marines Commandos say. Good morning, man. It is 4 a.m. British time and you will retract your full skin and use it. That's right.
Starting point is 00:34:19 I say things like, oh, I believed he was going to shoot me, sir. Sorry, I have to go back into the right voice. Being attuned with your mind and having a support structure around you are critical to finding your own version of peak performance. What I've learned in my own life is the power of transforming pain into purpose. What the fuck, dude? What are you talking about? The pain of being a prince.
Starting point is 00:34:44 Yeah. I mean, I mean, my man's pain of shooting random people in Afghanistan and by pain, he means their pain, not his own. Transforms their pain into national purpose. During my decade in the military, I learned that we don't just need to build physical resilience, but also mental resilience. And in the years since, my understanding of what resilience means and how we can build it has been shaped by the thousands of people and experts I've been fortunate to meet and
Starting point is 00:35:08 learn from. People and that's right. The experts with ghouls. Experts. Oh, sorry. One more bit and then we can leave off this awfulness. In addition to the shared philosophy, what caught my attention about Better Up was that the community's mission to unlock the potential in people everywhere necessitates innovation,
Starting point is 00:35:27 impact and integrity. Their team has been delivering on that work for years. I was also impressed by the scale and opportunity for impact, the ability to change millions of people's lives for the better through a combination of human connection, leading technology and behavioral science. Thank you for that UCAS personal statement, Prince Harry. What kind of 17 year old applying for a business degree at Durham fucking shit is that? I'm going to try one in his voice.
Starting point is 00:35:52 As Better Up's Chief Impact Officer, my goal is to lift up critical dialogues. I'm doing Vincent Price. Nosferatu. Yeah. Yeah, they're fucking Riley Enigma machine for accents once again. I personally found, since Better Up, I'm going to extract the pain from all of our users. Are you familiar with mental performance? I've extracted the pain.
Starting point is 00:36:14 As Better Up Chief Impact Officer, my goal will be to lift up critical dialogues around mental health. I am American so fast because that's how American aristocrats talk. They talk about lifting up dialogues and highlighting voices and opening spaces and things like things of this nature. This is what you see. Obviously, the British press, for the wrong reasons, think he's a traitor to Britain. I think he's a traitor to Britain for the right reasons, which is that he's betraying
Starting point is 00:36:41 the one core British value, which is shut the fuck up. If you're going to quit the royal family, just shut the fuck up for the rest of your life. Just please just go away. Do not be saying about how you're going to uplift narratives or whatever the fuck. Don't do any of that American shit. Just shut the fuck up. Go be a Nazi on an island somewhere.
Starting point is 00:36:59 Actually, you said uplift narratives. One of his four key areas in driving advocacy and awareness for mental fitness, he intends to... For social responsibility. We can and will elevate the global conversation around mental health. Elevate the global conversation. That's not a public enemy lyric. What the fuck is going on?
Starting point is 00:37:18 It's down at the ground floor and he wants to bring it up to the mezzanine where the good restaurants are. I'm sorry. That was harsh on public enemy. It's more like of another ice lyric. Yeah. He wants to elevate the conversation and he wants to influence the vision of better ups platform and he wants to guide their social mission to bring the impact of science and
Starting point is 00:37:37 peak performance and human potential into the hands of people worldwide. Why did they keep saying peak performance? Is he joined a cult? It kind of feels like he has. Are any of you familiar with Dr. Kawashima's brain training? I've recently been introduced to the Nintendo DS. I don't know if anyone's... Anyway, I've gotten really good at Sudoku and I think that's something that we can expand
Starting point is 00:37:58 through the U.S. The difference between cult speak and random Silicon Valley companies is really marginal. It's almost as that. Anyway, moving on. Sort of reminded of what's it called? We were. Yeah. We have to...
Starting point is 00:38:15 Vibes. We have to... Trash future. Yeah. Talking about share space and shared connections and... We're elevating voices here is what we're doing. That's right. We are elevating voices.
Starting point is 00:38:30 Hey, I'm elevating voices. We are elevating voices up and down the country. Don't you elevate your voice to me. Oh, so when he elevates his voice is my son. That's what the queen said. I think... So basically, he is joined as a... He is himself a marketing operation of this firm, which is like...
Starting point is 00:38:52 We've actually got Prince Harry on staff from the Oprah interview. But he's gonna be there basically... Have you heard of the crown? Well, they made it into a real thing and we got the guy. We got the guy. But they're basically... And he's basically got a busy box where he's like... I'd like to open up life coaching to the people of Swaziland.
Starting point is 00:39:14 That's right. Lots of people in Swaziland, they've never been life coached. Because, you know... Are we gonna elevate their voices around mental health? Honestly, I went to Swaziland and no one even knew what a vibe was. And so that was sort of a gift that I gave them. I can't wait till the Democratic Party gets its hands on this and turns it into access to life coaching.
Starting point is 00:39:41 There have been rumblings from Democratic insiders that they want to make a no-joke, Harry and Meghan into Democratic surrogates. Oh, hell yeah! Let me give you three words here. Senator Prince Harry? I can't... I wanna give you a senator.
Starting point is 00:40:00 You couldn't be a president, but you could do whatever else. You could be an Arnold. You could be a governor. Actually, Sam, you know all about this. Well, the flip side of this is that it's hilarious that Republicans suddenly, like, you know, for years and years and years, they'd be like, oh, you know, we don't like that queer monarchy crap. And now the second that someone says,
Starting point is 00:40:22 actually, did you know that the British crown might be racist? Now, no joke, the Heritage Fund is holding events, being like, oh, now the left wants to cancel an important institution for upholding Western democracy. Well, here, they took gollywogs off the jam. Honestly, I don't know what any of those words mean, but it sounds bad. Across Atlantic Basel, like, a NATO,
Starting point is 00:40:46 but for being a real piece of shit. It's called being. They all should look it up. Wait, isn't a NATO for being a piece of shit just a NATO? I already said that, Alice. Yeah, I know what I was saying. What gets me about it is, yeah, the extent to which, like, the same people who 10 years ago,
Starting point is 00:41:04 12 years ago, we're completely busting a lot about reenacting the Tea Party are now like, actually, the guys whose tea we were throwing in Boston Harbor, we fucking love them. Ben Shapiro has been big on this, but yeah. Yeah, the Heritage Foundation just held an event today with Ian Duncan Smith. Well, that's great.
Starting point is 00:41:29 And Camilla Tomony, who you might know as the associate editor from the Daily Telegraph. Tim Montgomery. He's one of those fucking Tim Montgomery unheard. Fuck that guy. Oh, yeah. Tim Montgomery, yeah, he's one of the, like, the leader people at the cow site,
Starting point is 00:41:51 and he fucking sucks, yeah. Ian Duncan Smith for American listeners who don't know British politics was, like, the architect of Tory Osteri. Basically, our bill is the tea thing. It's like to show that your solidarity with, like, Middle Eastern Christians or something. Oh, it's the noon. It's not the tea.
Starting point is 00:42:08 Yeah, sorry. All right, the guys who actually make ISIS look cool by defining themselves as being in opposition to them. Air out there for me with the Ukrainian flag emoji, Twitter, like a very similar energy. So the other thing, before we get off of Prince Harry, is that on the same day, he also quietly announced that he's joining the Aspen Institute's Commission
Starting point is 00:42:30 on Information Disorder as a commissioner. Information Disorder. That sounds like a fucking block party album. So he's going to be, like, one of those, like, one of those proper not guys who scours the internet for Russian disinformation, such as America may have committed war crimes. The thing about Russian disinformation is
Starting point is 00:42:49 it stops you from checking in on your chat. I've located the Russian disinformation system here at Metro Stop Disinformatskaya. That's right. Also working with him is Rupert Murdoch's daughter-in-law, who also co-founded an institute called the Quadrivium Institution. Amazing.
Starting point is 00:43:10 Oh, yeah. I think we should go medieval on these bitches. I really want people learning, you know, someone with close ties to Rupert Murdoch couldn't possibly be pro disinformation. The Quadrivium Institution? It's so funny also to be, like, the failed children of Rupert Murdoch, because, like,
Starting point is 00:43:29 what you've, like, you've nepotized your way into being evil. Like, you couldn't even be evil on your own terms. Like, your evil dad, like, got you an internship at being evil. Well, so the Quadrivium Institute promotes democracy, technology, and society, scientific understanding.
Starting point is 00:43:44 Yeah, man, sure. The fucking quintessence. It does make me very happy to know that, like, all of the worst shuds in America, like, the Republican establishment, all those people they're hangers on, are, like, hosting people, like, like, failed Tory MPs,
Starting point is 00:44:00 weird lords, telegraph editors, like, members of the Charles Martel Foundation, or, like, the Gates of Vienna Institute, or some shit like that. Like, it's just... But the idea that, like, they're going to coalesce around, like, fighting the woke left or whatever, because they're going to import all this shit from Britain,
Starting point is 00:44:15 but, like, it's all in defense of the thing that probably makes the least sense to Americans, and that would be the thing that they would be least likely to support in any serious way. I actually want a think tank that starts with the reanimated corpses of, like, 16th-century guys. It's just, like, verily, we are experiencing problems.
Starting point is 00:44:33 I don't know why they're French. Yeah. Is he 16th-century or is everyone more French, you see? Yeah. I think it makes perfect sense to me, actually, that Americans would support the British monarchy, because to them, it just means all the same thing, which is brutal imperial management.
Starting point is 00:44:51 And now we're in charge of the empire. You know, before we were in charge of the empire, yeah, we didn't want that, because we wanted to be in charge of the empire. Now we are, and so... It's the grease to our room. Yeah. And it also infuriates the people
Starting point is 00:45:05 who we've designed all of our politics around infuriating, who are basically people who are gesturing helplessly at not wanting to be this blood-soaked imperial colossus anymore. So I think it makes perfect sense that they're all aligned together. Wait, does that mean that the lingua franca of the American upper class has to be British English now? That's right.
Starting point is 00:45:23 In public, they're all like, oh, we are going to promote a peaceful transition of power. And then in private, they're all like, oh, pass me the water, governor. Yeah, British, yeah. The royal English like that. Pass me the water. It's called being bleeding English.
Starting point is 00:45:35 So anyway, that's... Have you heard of Peaky Blinders? So look, before we start sort of timing out another thing, Sam, there's a reason that we asked you here, and it wasn't just to say the names of British people to you. Fun, though, that is. Aaron, that's a catch-of-predator podcast.
Starting point is 00:45:51 So you have been... I still want to go back to trying Moscow's accent. Well, hey, if you want to, and you want to do another take of this last segment, you can do that. Yeah, welcome to Accent Future. This is what all episodes turn into if Riley doesn't keep us on track. That's right. So you have written an article on a case
Starting point is 00:46:12 that is being scheduled to go before the Supreme Court in the U.S. So actually, the oral argument was Monday. So the oral argument has already happened, but it still takes a while for the actual decision to come out. But yeah, the case is basically... It is about a California farm labor regulation with wide-ranging implications in terms of the legal challenge of it.
Starting point is 00:46:45 I love when the, what, 6-3 Federalist Society Vampires Supreme Court gets to decide a case with wide-reaching implications. Wait, 6 of them are Federalists and 3 of them are Vampires? No, more or less. Obviously, it's also quite hard to understand what goes on in the American Supreme Court because all the proceedings are conducted in Geordi. That's right.
Starting point is 00:47:06 The gentlemen would speak. So effectively, with this case, Cedar Point Nursery versus Hasid, and what has happened basically, as far as I understand it, is that this farm, in association with like every Koch brother dark money front in the U.S., has basically filed to say, hey, you, if I'm going... I'm basically trying to institute stand-your-ground for farmers versus union organizers.
Starting point is 00:47:39 Sort of, yes. I mean, it is... Basically, their argument was that property owners have a sacred right to exclude, quote, unquote, a right to exclude, which anyone they want from their property, which coincidentally was what a Atlanta motel owner used in 1964 to try to argue against the Civil Rights Act,
Starting point is 00:48:09 which is that I am a property owner and I have the right to exclude black people from my motel. And it didn't hold up then. And they're trying it again in the context of union organizing. Now, it's... In the context of farm labor, it's... So I guess maybe what would be good is to go into some of the history behind this rule.
Starting point is 00:48:36 It's called the Access Regulation. And it came about after organizing by Cesar Chavez and Dolores Huerta and the United Farm Workers in the 1960s. And they, at first, the UFW did not want to rely on any kind of legal protections. And I should take a step back and say that as well, when the U.S. passed legal protections for union organizing and collective bargaining in the 1930s,
Starting point is 00:49:11 there was a big racist carve-out for agricultural labor and domestic labor because they wanted to get the support of Democrats in the Jim Crow South. So fast forward to the 60s. Farm workers have no labor rights. The UFW is fighting for them, but they, at first, they reject illegal solution, instead relying on more radical solutions,
Starting point is 00:49:39 picketing, campaigning, boycotts, whatever, to force bosses to the table. Now, they changed their calculus in the early 70s. This was after the UFW started making headway. And what happened was that growers sort of used the Teamsters to fight the UFW. The Teamsters back then were, as you might know, if you've seen the Irishmen, they were mobbed up.
Starting point is 00:50:15 They could be management-friendly, as they were in this case. And they basically waged violent... War is maybe a bit strong, but they literally fought the UFW in various rural California areas. And there's actually a really good Rolling Stone piece from the 70s that goes into this, and there's a funny bit from it that might be good to read here, which was,
Starting point is 00:50:50 the most popular UFW response to the Teamster muscle has been the picket line. As a group, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, chauffeurs, warehouse men, and helpers has been shortened to Los Gorillas. Some mornings, the pickets bring bananas tied to the ends of poles and dangle them at the Teamster line. The Teamsters have been carrying thick sticks,
Starting point is 00:51:11 getting tans, and picking up Spanish. When they do, the shouting has been known to hurt their feelings. So these big, thuggish Teamsters are having their feelings hurt. And so, here's a quote, I never called their mother none of them names. The one called King Kong said, it ain't fair. Good.
Starting point is 00:51:32 Why is he calling himself King Kong? We've enlisted this giant ape to help us crush the unions. So, basically, after this fighting, after getting attacked by the Teamsters and having their ranks thinned out and such, Chavez and the UFW started turning to a legal solution, which is where the access regulation comes in. Well, actually, first, California passed
Starting point is 00:51:59 the California Agricultural Labor Relations Act, or CALRA, and that basically provided farm workers in California with the same rights that workers had under the National Labor Relations Act elsewhere. But even that was not enough to guarantee farm workers had the right to collectively bargain. So what the regulators did, the agricultural regulators did in California,
Starting point is 00:52:25 was they passed a rule called the Access Regulation, which basically said that union organizers, you have to give union organizers access to the farm. And the reason was because a lot of these farm workers, they either lived on the property where they worked, or they lived in housing that was provided by employers, and they were bussed to and from the property by the employers. So basically, it's like if you don't let union organizers
Starting point is 00:52:59 actually talk to them, they're never going to have access to any sort of honest source of information about their rights on the job. But have you considered that that is technically quartering troops to let union organizers onto a farm? No, it's just like agricultural kafala, which is cool. Welcome to the Third Amendment podcast. Is it the Third Amendment?
Starting point is 00:53:27 It's funny that you say that, Riley, because at some point during the oral arguments, Clarence Thomas, brain genius Clarence Thomas said, what's the difference between this and the government just like seizing your land so that police can train there? I couldn't possibly think of a material difference between letting someone walk onto your property to have a conversation with someone there
Starting point is 00:53:55 and the government expropriating you. It's very cool. And another ridiculous aspect of this is that the lawyers for the growers, which they were with a group called the Pacific Legal Foundation, which gets its money from the same coax who funneled money into lobbying for a third of the court to be confirmed,
Starting point is 00:54:20 like the same people who are paying these lawyers were also basically supported the confirmation of Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett. So make of that what you will. But they were arguing that the time limitations should make no difference. And they were arguing that because it has been calculated that labor organizers actually only get the equivalent
Starting point is 00:54:48 of 4% of an entire year to make their case, to have access to the property. And not only that, but they have to apply ahead of time with California regulators. And if the growers want to contest the access, they can in a streamlined way. And the thing is that's the exact same thing as the government having to do drag queen story hour
Starting point is 00:55:13 in your kid's bedroom. And you know what? And I hear you get shot out of a cannon if you aren't even enthusiastic about it. That's right, yeah. That's right. The union organizers are going on to the farms to turn all of your workers into femme boys,
Starting point is 00:55:31 and there's nothing you can do about it. Oh, there's nothing I can do about it? Oh, no. How am I supposed to work when I'm this horny? So that seems to be sort of where we are now. And one of the things that I'm very interested in about this as well is you mentioned that the people funding the lawyers are the same people that funded the judges.
Starting point is 00:55:56 But there's another group that they're funding, which is dozens and dozens of right-wing think tanks, all of which are filing amicus briefs on behalf of the growers. It's like in The Simpsons when Homer goes to the Duff Brewery, and you see Duff Light and Duff Dry, and it's just the same beer coming out of one tube and into three different vats.
Starting point is 00:56:18 It's all the same people. Yeah. And one of them, I think it was the Institute for Legal Justice was basically arguing that. Great fucking name. What about the Institute for Legal Justice? I don't know. So there are two concepts here that I think need
Starting point is 00:56:37 to do the voice. Require explaining, or maybe even three. So basically, they're arguing that, forcing the union organizers to have access to property violates the part of the Fifth Amendment called the Takings Clause, which states that if the government takes your property, it has to compensate you. There are different types of takings.
Starting point is 00:57:01 There is a regulatory taking, which basically is a limit, just the government saying, like, okay, right, you can't burn dog shit in your backyard because whatever it... Yeah, why not? Upsets the neighbors. It's still being English, mate.
Starting point is 00:57:20 Then there's a per se taking, which is more of a cut and dry thing where the government says, look, we got to build this fucking railroad through your farmland. Whether you like it or not, this railroad's going down, but we're going to pay you for a little bit for that. And the Institute for Legal Justice was basically like, you got to change the doctrine on this
Starting point is 00:57:45 because it's too hard to win on a regulatory taking. So they're basically just saying the court, you got to let us play on easy mode. There was another brief that was filed. I believe it was the Mountain State's legal foundation. And one of their arguments was that... And maybe this isn't a big deal to listeners of this podcast and nor should it really be,
Starting point is 00:58:15 but it's a big deal to people in the legal world because they were just basically like ignore the precedent. Yeah, sounds good. They're saying that... What if law was just all made up? Like we said at the beginning, what if it was just all kind of made up and you kind of do what you want?
Starting point is 00:58:27 Yeah. What I like about this though is that it kind of has to be, by saying it's a taking, they're like sort of implying that, well, you couldn't possibly let the union organizer onto the land because what if the farmer wanted to like rent that land that the union organizer happens to be standing on at that time? I don't understand what are they taking?
Starting point is 00:58:48 What are they taking? They're taking their right to exclude is what they are taking. Right. But he's not charging for it, but he's not even charging for entry onto his property. Ah. These guys would be so much cooler if they were British because they'd be like reading the Magna Carta
Starting point is 00:59:06 out at union organizer. They'd be like, it says here in Latin, you should have a basic gross plan if you're a union organizer. It says here, you know, it's against my religion for you to step on my property. But also this could have wide-ranging implications. Like you would say, well, I exclude the health inspector from my restaurant.
Starting point is 00:59:22 That's right. No, that's exactly right. And this has alarmed many people for that reason. And like I said as well, a right to exclude theoretically means you can discriminate and say, hey, you know what? This is a white people-only restaurant and that's the way it's going to be.
Starting point is 00:59:41 All white people, no health inspectors. Let's go. It's called a theme. Actually, that kind of whips. Health inspectors are not white. The racism danger restaurant. Well, like it's as racist as you like, but like, oh, the food, you might die.
Starting point is 00:59:56 Yeah, but it's the ultimate libertarian restaurant, which is no civil rights, no food standards. That's right. And lots and lots of high chairs. The court did seem a little skeptical of these arguments, but they were still like, there's still this like, cloistered conservative legal mind
Starting point is 01:00:18 that really refuses to grapple with how this plays out in the real world. And they say that union organizers should be excluded because they are a quote unquote third party when really they're just representatives of one of the party's workers. And at one point, Neil Gorsuch said something to the effect of now,
Starting point is 01:00:44 he was talking with the lawyer from the Pacific Legal Foundation and he was giving a friendly hypothetical, which was just like, so what if California passed a law saying that property owners had to give access to people to talk to workers about the downsides of joining a union?
Starting point is 01:01:06 And it's like, are you fucking stupid? That exists. That's management. That's what they do all the time. Or that's everyone who's right. That's like the Pelican Institute for Public Policy or whatever. They already do that.
Starting point is 01:01:19 I mean, I think it would be very funny though if you did legally have to give like Reason magazine Doric's access to your property to talk about like the gold standard. Yeah, the government is making me quarter these guys from the fucking Vermillion Institute. My favorite of the amicus briefs that was filed in your, you wrote in your article, Sam,
Starting point is 01:01:40 was the Pelican Institute for Public Policy argued that the absolute right of property owners to exclude others stretches back to ancient Mesopotamia. Yes. No, they did that. Yeah. And ancient Rome. And that's right.
Starting point is 01:01:54 How is this relevant? Well, because the genius of the capitalist household is a God that must be worshipped through the ritual exclusion of unionizers. I've invented a concept of irrigation and I've got this between all these rivers, right? And there's all these geysers trying to cross the river to talk to my workers about union.
Starting point is 01:02:15 Well, it says right here in the code of Amorabi, all right, that I don't have to let anyone into my farm. Yeah, just giving an amicus curate deposition, you know, during oral arguments, you're like actually encased in amber is the first landlord mosquito. And you know what? This thing stretches back since time immemorial.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Like it's actually the law of human nature. I want it. There's speaking of Reason magazine idiots. I did want to read a little bit from Reason magazine's Ilya Somen who wrote, the union organizer context makes it very easy to view this in crude left-right labor management terms. But if the Supreme Court rules against property owners,
Starting point is 01:02:53 so unlike management's relationship with labor, conservative red state governments may use the same power to their own ends. For example, they could use it to compel abortion clinics to grant access to pro-live activists who seek to persuade patients. They already do! They already fucking do.
Starting point is 01:03:10 They make doctors like give ultrasounds and they make doctors like talk about the downside of abortion. This is already something that fucking happens. In my home state, they make women fucking pay for funerals for their fetuses. Like literally they've passed laws in Indiana reserving fucking parking spaces at abortion clinics
Starting point is 01:03:31 for pro-life protesters. They already do this. Imagine if they did it, Nate. What if they did it? Or the other one, similarly, they could force businesses and other organizations that ban guns on their premises to give regular access to gun rights activists as long as it's only for a few hours a day.
Starting point is 01:03:50 Gun rights activists, like... They will just go in. They have a gun. Not to mention that people can get on to the most places with access to the public and flyer anyway. This is ridiculous. Not to mention that as I'm sure that Ilya Somen is probably aware that for better or for worse,
Starting point is 01:04:18 from our perspective, for better or for worse, that labor rights aren't governed under the First Amendment. They're not governed under free speech. They're governed under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. Being a constitutional original is libertarian. You think you wouldn't like, you know,
Starting point is 01:04:38 allied that difference in your terrible magazine. It's almost as though. Yeah, but what everyone's forgetting here is the great impact this could have on YouTubers because this could force police stations to give access to auditors, which I am very excited about. I want the cops in like fucking Miami
Starting point is 01:04:56 to have to let in a guy with a camcorder just wandering around the cells going like, yeah, I'm just having a look. It's a British guy. Yeah, it's a British guy. Businesses can't keep out gun rights activists, right? Like, you know, as long as they're not open caring, like a gun's right activists can go into a hospital
Starting point is 01:05:15 where guns are banned and like, you know, hand out a few flyers and whatever. They're probably going to be ushered out eventually, but you know, I don't know. Look, don't forget, it's Reason Magazine, which exists in a totally frictionless, completely flat world. So obviously none of these differences actually matter
Starting point is 01:05:37 because all the ideas just boil down to, oh yeah, you don't want to do this one thing? Well, what about this other completely unrelated thing? I bet that, you don't want to let union organizers onto the farm to like hand out some basic literature to workers so long as they apply to and are approved by management and only do it for 4% of the year. Well, what if you had to let off a nuclear bomb
Starting point is 01:05:59 in a preschool? Yeah, and it wasn't in one of the places where we do want to do that. Yeah, and it wasn't in Bristol. That's right. And of course, Reason Magazine gets or has in the past got some of its funding from the coast. It's all just different arms of the Koch Empire
Starting point is 01:06:18 talking to one another, effectively, and about one another. To include basically two Supreme Court justices who are hearing these arguments, yes. Three. Actually, not two. I forgot all about Amy Comey Barrett. Jesus, yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:33 Also, I know that we're sort of getting close to time a little bit. So, Sam, do you want to give any final thoughts on this matter before we close out and play Radar Van by Johannes vonk and the Klugheads on the free one? I guess I would say that having listened to the oral arguments is that it doesn't sound like the worst case scenario of, you know,
Starting point is 01:06:57 owning civil rights law to hand a victory to farm workers and the Koch brothers, or Koch brother, sorry. It doesn't look like the worst case scenario is going to happen. Now, that said, this is still really grim. Like, even if this is very narrow and undermines the access regulation, well, first of all, it opens the door
Starting point is 01:07:19 for all sorts of legal challenges to other regulations under the principle of the right to exclude, and that could cost a lot of money to various state and local governments trying to enforce safety, et cetera, that could have a chilling effect on regulations. But even assuming it's so narrow that all it does is undermine the access regulation, right?
Starting point is 01:07:43 Like, we're talking about depriving some of the most downtrodden workers in the Western hemisphere of, like, the only honest source of information about their rights on the job. And some people, including Brett Kavanaugh, were basically arguing that, well, there are alternatives. You know, you don't need to let union organizers invade your property in order to tell workers of their rights.
Starting point is 01:08:10 And the answer is actually, no, you fucking do, because there are something like 117,000 plus farm workers in California who their first language is neither Spanish nor English, and it is, in many cases, they speak an indigenous Mexican language of which there is no fucking written form. Yeah, so you cannot reach them by WhatsApp.
Starting point is 01:08:38 This is essentially another sort of piece of cruel humiliation meted out to ordinary workers in America by, again, this one small coterie of freaks. And I don't mean to, you know, go on and on and on here, but also a lot of them make, like, $17,000 a year. And they don't have, you know, they don't have the money to get smartphone data and also to try to use it
Starting point is 01:09:12 in a place where cell phone reception is spotty at best. So even the best case scenario for the outcome of this case, the likely best case scenario, I mean, it's possible that Clarence Thomas is going to wake up tomorrow and be like, you know what, I'm tired of being a sociopath, but that is probably not going to happen. So the likely best case scenario of this is like needlessly cruel to some of the most exploited
Starting point is 01:09:41 human beings on this side of the Greenwich, whatever, of Western Hemisphere. Well, with all of that being said, I think then it is time to say caller number 40, Sam Knight of the District Sentinel and District Sentinel Radio. Thank you very much for calling in, but I'm afraid the correct answer was shawati-wati. Better luck next time.
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