TRASHFUTURE - Nan Eleven

Episode Date: August 12, 2025

It’s all true - the nans were planning up to forty Nine-Elevens. We talk about the wave of (largely) pensioner arrests this weekend and what it means for civil liberties, the homelessness minister doing a landlord whoopsie, and then we read an article about what it’s like to be gentrified out of your neighbourhood as a 0.1%er. Get more TF episodes each week by subscribing to our Patreon here! TF Shirts in four different designs are now available in the store! Check them out here. Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and November (@postoctobrist)

Look, everybody's mad at Roshnara Ali, right? Like, everybody's mad at her. And I think, like, why are we mad at the parliamentary Undersecretary of State for homelessness for creating more homeless people? Yeah, I mean, it's like, listen, they always tell you in school, you know, if you finish your work early, you can just ask for more, right? And so I assume that's what she was doing. Yeah, the only thing that can explain why one of the many landlords of parliament that are associated with the Labor Party as well as the Green Party. Hey, Adrian Ramsey, another landlord. Oh, cool. Interesting. I liked his sort of little sort of kind of justification of it. Like, oh, like, I co-owned this house of someone else and I don't even know. make any profit from it. Becoming a landlord can strike at any time, you know? Well, the impression that I just sort of got, and also what was very funny from, like,

aspect, again, I don't want to make this, like, the show about what happened on Twitter, but, like, there were a few, like, you know, of those sort of business entrepreneur guys online who were just like, yeah, this means you're a bad landlord. And it's like, yeah, good point. Like, all, like, all sort of, like, good politics aside is, I feel like the sort of of actually I'm not very good at my job is a very funny one. It is novel, I will say. Moving out of one flat where the landlord evicted me to sell it into another flat where the landlord will not answer emails or phone calls or text.

Because it gives them anxiety, yeah. It's sort of like my work life and my personal life are really converging in the form of what new landlord hell will I have to deal with today? And this is certainly one. So for U.S. listeners who may not know, Rishanara Ali is, well, was the labor under minister for homelessness, also a landlord, and also in contravention to the renter's rights bill that's simply not yet law, she kicked out all of a tenants of a house she owned, raised the rent by 700 pounds. And I think serves as a wonderful object lesson as to the pure political impunity of, well, what do you mean? Well, it's fine. Look, I'm not a bad person. I'm a nice person. It's interesting. I mean, I didn't know that there were resigning offenses in this government. And obviously, I think they're going to be extremely salty about the fact that she has had to resign. And I look forward to a kind of Jonathan Ashworth situation where she's now, or, you know, Tangam Debenair, where she's now on TV for the rest of our lives. Yeah, I can't wait for her to become the head of a pressure group that is financed entirely by like Peabody called like Labor Yimby. Just out of curiosity and further to that, what's her majority in Bethnal Green and Bowen?

How's it looking when you add in your underscore party final final bracket's real? I wouldn't worry about it. Okay, sure. There were like protests. Yeah, because I remember like because her office is, if you take the bus to our studio. Don't show up at the front door,

but to be honest, like based on the neighborhood, that's more for your safety than anything else. On the way to our dungeon, on the way to our basement, one of the buses goes past her office. And there was a period of time where, like, there were just, like, people outside of it, like, protesting all the time. And I think it may have been to do with Gaza. It may have been to do with, like, the way that she voted or that she had abstained on, like, one of the key votes.

And that was sort of akin to, like, she abstained in the S&P motion for the C-S squad. To be in her defense, she was very busy thinking about how to evict her tenants. Yeah. Look, she meant to walk through the yes lobby. Unfortunately, she just got in the text from her tenants that were like, hey, the black mold is still here. and then she was so annoyed that she walked through the no the abstention lobby and i think that's fine yeah the the sort of natural consequence of the kind of alex davis jones thing of it should be illegal to at me right is it should be illegal to at your landlord as well well hey we're gonna talk a little bit about the broader context of the alex davies jones things welcome to tf it is hussein it's riley oh hey we remember to introduce the show this time yeah yeah that's right look you know sometimes sometimes we like we like to do things a little a little differently but we're going to talk about a few things of the politics. And then, boy, did I read an article about a certain freakazoid who we have liked to talk about many times. Delightful. Yes. So this is, well, this is about to be less

delightful because I think it's important to talk about the Palestine action protest that happened at the weekend. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry, do you mean the worst terrorist attack in British history? Because on the numbers, that's like four years worth of terrorism act arrests that happened in an afternoon. So I assume the terrorism must have been, oh, atrocious. Oh, it would have been, well, by the numbers, it would have been, let's see, if I want to divide, hold a second.

It only took 19 people to do 9-11. So if you arrest like 460 people, that's, um, that's a lot of 9-11, that's multiple 911. Oh, it's certainly multiple. I'm sure to work out exactly how many multiple. Um, uh, why that's 41.81 recurring 9-11s. Well, we don't build a lot of top. buildings in London, so that would really change the skyline.

Oh, absolutely. I mean, the one, like, suspended pool between the two apartment buildings? Like, that getting 9-11? They would have so many spare 9-11 planes that they'd be able to waste some just on, like, end-zone dances, like flying one through the suspended pool. Doing gender-affirming surgery on the GERCEN. Anyway, like a hearty salutes to the Metropolitan Police for preventing that many 9-11s by arresting a bunch of retired vicars for exercising, you know. What some might describe as their freedom of speech, if such a thing still exists.

So I'll say this, because the law is what it is here, we're going to largely have to stick to discussing the legislation itself and how the law was enforced in this case. Yeah, on the basis that what these people did was to sit down in Parliament Square with a placard and write on that placard, I oppose genocide, I support Palestine action, which is a criminal offense for which you can get 14 years in prison. Not a criminal offence to report that. I am slightly curious, and I'm asking myself kind of like learned comrades here, at what point does it stop being a terrorist offense to support? Is it supporting those people supporting Palestine action? It's supporting people who support those people, Palestine action. Are you allowed to say anything kind of complementary in the general direction of anyone who is in parliament's life?

My understanding of how the law is draft is like so many, so many pieces of the British security state. The drafting of the law is ridiculously broad and allows for a huge amount of leeway. So, for example, if you recklessly invite support for, right? So if you're doing donuts in Parliament Square and you accidentally, without meaning to, write that out, then that would be considered, you know, support. Well, here's the thing. Labor MPs have been briefing that actually there was some super secret intelligence that, of course, you and I are not allowed to see, that was going to demonstrate the necessity of this, because I imagine Palestine action was, you know, just in some heavily compromised group chat plotting these, you know, 4911s or whatever. And then that was heralded not by mass arrests of, you know, any of their members at the time, but by arrests of people supporting them. Yeah, I'm not quite sure how that adds up. Largely oxygenarians. It must have been part. Maybe it was going to be mobility scooter 9-11.

Well, yeah, this is the thing. Like, we love in this country a movie about like old bastard does something inspirational. There were like three of those movies in one year a while ago of like, you know, like, duffed old fucker escapes from like nursing home to like remember the fallen or something. So by the same token, it would seem perhaps Granny 9-11 was in the offing. I don't know. I don't know. And therefore it would be I wouldn't ever want to recklessly support that.

We have no way of knowing how many of them were Harry Browns. Well, you've got to be careful, like, what kind of nan you support now, right? Because before, you could just support all. You could sort of go and be like, I support nans and people couldn't yell at you about it because they'd be like, yeah, we also support nans too. But now I say, well, what kind of nan are you? You're a radicalized nan. If you run into an older white woman in this country, you have a duty now to ask, do you

condemn Palestine action? And if they won't do it, what is that telling? I mean, the thing I think about is like transmissibility, right? Like, it's sort of like, it seems to me that support for Palestine action is a kind of like homeopathic thing, right? And that it doesn't dilute, right? It intensifies. So if you just say like, you know, something supportive of anyone, say, if that person has supported someone who supported someone who supported someone who supported Palestine action, prison. And so I'm really hopeful on this basis.

I'm optimistic that we can, you know, God willing, get the whole country in prison where. we belong. Our sick fucks. How dare this entire country be out on the streets? We're just walking around. So, I mean, the funny thing is, funny thing is, I'll get back to this in a second, that the conservative YIMBY, I know I thought Labor YIMBY was in my head for a reason, conservative YIMBY, which is like a group that is like supported by onward, the sort

of center-right think tank in the conservative party, is actually saying, look, we have too much migration, we have a massive housing shortage, and we have prison overcrowding. What can we do about this? They're like, hey. All houses prisons. HMP, your home address. I mean, here's the thing as well. They're basically saying, we're going to build a bunch of new towns that are all anchored by the private prison industry. Oh, yeah. Rancid. I kind of lived in a place like that in the sense of like, one of the big landmarks of where I used to live was Belmarsh prison. And I would always point it out to people when I were driving, it would be like, that's Belmarsh prison. And so many people around here, like, exist to serve that prison.

Whether, like, you know, you're in catering or whether you're sort of... There were lots of people who just, like, did random jobs for the prison. So, yeah, we can build more of those types of towns. Absolutely. It was really nice to live there. And, like, the vibe was great. We, like, increase the chances of another Daniel Khalifa event, right? In the form of, like, the nation's hearts are won by, like, one escaping twink.

I, apart for anything else. Well, yeah, well, what happens if a, like, what happens if, like, the Daniel Kaleepa thing happens, but it actually is a nap. The great escape of brackets real. That's like a movie right there. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing, right? Like, I know why the, like, on Palestine action, you aren't getting all of the people who are hugely concerned, like the free speech union, right?

All of the people who really wanted to say slurs, all the people whose concern was like, oh, well, you know, I want to be able to say what I want to say about Muslims. I won't be able to say what I want to say about trans people, just we shali or whatever, right? why those people aren't generally lining up to get arrested. However, you have to say it's a disappointing day if you genuinely had any kind of sentiment towards a non-partisan freedom of speech here, you know? Oh, yeah.

I mean, you know, Brendan O'Neill has been banging the drum for like the one bit of freedom of speech he does not believe in, apparently. Curious, yeah. Well, you see, the thing is, like, this is actually like sort of an emergent situation and we just have to trust the government that, you know, their intel on Granny 9-11 makes it sufficient. So basically what I want to sort of talk about is like the law itself, the politics of enforcement. And at this point, I'm simply going to quote from what's been written in press and

presumably legal to hell and back. So, Yvette Cooper has said, you alluded to this earlier, Nova, the decision to prescribe was based on strong security advice and a unanimous recommendation by expert cross-governance prescription review group. It also was, by the way, heavily supported by people like John Woodcock. Uh-huh, sure. Quote, it also follows disturbing information referencing planning for further attacks. Again, implying that there's like...

Applying that they have been attacks instead of just, you know, vandalism, you know. Destruction of property. Yeah, I mean, listen, I'll count that as an attack in the kind of semantic sense, but not as a kind of like justification for this. Not in the sense that they're saying they're planning further attacks and heavily implying that they'll read the whole quote. We can see what he's heavily implying. It also follows disturbing information. referencing planning for further attacks, the details of which cannot yet be publicly reported due to ongoing legal proceedings. Those who seek to support this group may yet not know the true

nature of the organization. But people should be under no illusion. This is not a peaceful or nonviolent protest group. So if you're thinking of that sentence, right, it follows disturbing information referencing planning for further attacks and then saying you have to know this is not a peaceful or nonviolent protest group. The strong implication that you're meant to take away is that they've already been like attacking people, right? And that there is further danger to life, even though on knowledge and belief, there has not yet been any danger to life. But it's implying that there is further danger to life. Yeah, this is a weird disconnect in the tone, right, where the enforcement is like, don't support Palestine action or don't say you support

Palestine action or you will receive, you know, some kind of like criminal sentence. The met have been hyping up the fact that like, oh, it's effectively like a, you know, you will always fail a criminal records check so you won't be able to get a job as like a teacher or you know in the civil service you won't be able to travel to the US and stuff but then on the other hand is also but also you're going to feel pretty foolish

when we announce you know that actually we just broke up the Granny 9-11 planning group chat yeah it's like well would I would I really feel foolish about that like I I'm not so sure and again the implication is quite quite strong which is basically

justify our emer these emergency unprecedented use of counterterrorism legislation because we have knowledge that we cannot share. Yeah, I mean, like, honestly, the whole regime of prescription is like so fucking terrifyingly

Orwellian, right? Like, even the places, even the groups that, like, should be applied to, it kind of shouldn't be, if you follow me. Like, there's, there's, like, partially because I think for those groups, it's like, either hardly ever enforced. Like, when's the last time you saw someone get, like,

prosecuted for supporting a prescribed like Northern Irish Loyalist organization or because it's like actively kind of doing them a favor in the terms of like some of the more esoteric like jihadist or Nazi ones. So it's just like what good is this actually doing? And even

if I take your premise of Granny 9-11 was around the corner, right, to what extent was arresting a bunch of vickers for carrying placards saying unwittingly even within that kind of hypothetical that they supported the group that was going do it. How did that actively make anyone safer? Yeah, it is, I mean, well, we can see another

labor backbencher was quoted, and this is, this was going to make, you know, some blood boil. Mass arresting of pensioners is clearly not what this legislation was designed for. Is it? Really? Because that's what it seems to be designed for. Yeah, it's working quite well at something that it wasn't designed to do. I mean, that is, that is sort of true, but it's like, at the same time, it was written so broadly as to contain that possibility, right? And I think, like, as well, the thing that makes a bit of a lie of the other security services told us to do it, right? And advised very strongly us to do it is that reading between the lines, you could see a lot of briefing against it before it came into force. You could see a lot of, like, oh, people working in the home office have, like, serious concerns about this, you know, about how this is going to impact their ability to, like, actively investigate terrorism.

And so I'm just left with this feeling that it's purely meant to be punitive and meant to be exemplary, right? That it's meant to dissuade protest and it's meant to do that by like punishing you with like, oh, you'll never be able to pass a CRB check or whatever. Yeah, it says we were told the security apparatus had requested this. So we, the lawmakers, were told the security apparatus had requested this. And we do in the end need to trust that they have the information that we're not privy to that supports this. No, you don't, motherfucker. Whatever happened to, like, parliamentary, like, oversight? Whatever happened to the parliamentary primacy?

Like, that's your job. That's what you're there for. It's, like, one of the key responsibilities you're elected to fulfill. The church committee was all about saying thank you to the CIA, as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. So, yeah, based on information that cannot be publicly shared, the public is being asked to trust the Home Secretary that this prescription is good and necessary. Well, I don't.

So now what? Like, this is the thing. If I don't trust Yvette Cooper's judgment on this and I don't take her word for it, then my recourse is to sit there and shut up about it or to, you know, risk going to prison. Also, I want to talk about, we've alluded to a lot of Nans. If you're not in the UK again, you might be sort of wondering, why do they keep talking about, like, old people and pensioners getting arrested? So, man is one of your parents' moms. Yes.

But I'm now going to get, but this is like, again, there is a lot of progressive and left. left-wing protest. A lot of it in this country tends to be done, but there's a lot of, like, well-meaning old people who do a lot of it. This is true. I mean, partially, it's a kind of criterion of arrestability, right? That if you are already retired, it's a lot more plausible to be like, well, actually, I don't care about any of the consequences you're threatening me with. Yeah. And so I now, again, this is just reading from the observer, and people are being quoted in the observer. So all of this is from the observer. Again, ironic that the observer seems to be taking tone, right, that this is a sort of quite extreme overreach.

Really? Well, lock him up, the sick bastards. I mean, it is probably worth noting, this isn't to sort of justify by any means, but the observer is now under like new ownership, right? I think it's under more right-wing ownership. Is it more? Okay, well, I mean, I can't comment on that. All I have to say is this kind of disrespect for the law cannot stand and the observer's offices must be raided by counterterrorism police.

Unfortunately, Sonia Soda, your expression of support for the observer, I'm afraid the observer cannot be allowed to operate in a civil society of laws. Well, the thing is, we actually have intelligence about the observer. You can't see it, but just trust us that we have knowledge that you don't. Oh, yeah. The observer was actually going to do like several of the 9-11s, we think. And the thing is right, the observer is just a kind of like Western, way of just laundering the still

more depraved actions of the Guardian right so when you say I support the observer what you're really saying is I support the Guardian which surely should be beyond the pale for any civil society well in fact a lot of people don't know about this but Takea is one of the pillars

do you condemn the Guardian in fact we well how about this the observer just start condemning right it's safer if you just condemn yeah just go along with it I mean to be fact that's basically what everyone's been doing. Like, the opposition to this has been like, oh, this seems like overreach. Okay.

Was that it? Thanks, I guess. Yeah. So they're, and they're also, I note that the observer and the guardian are the thing they're getting quite head up about. Well, I'll read their profiles of the people getting arrested. So many among the silent protesters in Parliament Square yesterday had to be asked if they were mobile enough to make the short walk to the police fan.

Among their number were nurses, doctors, architects, and teachers, most of them retired and many veterans of other causes, including extinction rebellion. Anthony Whiteson, 76, a retired IT analyst and grandfather, sat wearing a yarmulka and a star of David on a chain around his neck. He said, for me, this is part of what it means to be Jewish, to take action against genocide when there's a regime acting like the perpetrators of the Holocaust. He added that he has never been arrested before. Among the arrests were the environmentalist Sir Jonathan Porritt and Fornamo Bay Prisoner Muzambag who runs the advocacy group Cage, who stated aim is challenging, quote, unquote, war and terror-driven state oppression. Others arrested in recent weeks and months have included Deborah Hinton, 81, a former British magistrate who was honored by the late Queen Elizabeth II for services to the community, John Farley, a retired school principal, who is silently holding a cartoon from his satirical magazine, Marianne Sorrell, another former teacher now 80, who is held by police after almost, for almost 27 hours, and at her home search, and Reverend Sue Parfit, an 83-year-old retired priest, and it goes on like this and on like this. They arrested Alice Oswald, who is like probably one of our greatest living poets. And if you think about any of the stuff that, like David Lammy, say, or like any other British Foreign Secretary gets up and says about any other country, right?

Particularly about Russia, for instance, right? Not that he's wrong to do it, but to be like, obviously this shows the kind of depravity of Putin to, like, arrest, like, single person protests, even to the point of, like, holding up, like, a blank sign that, like, theoretically might be protesting the war. It's like, well, you see immediately the kind of hypocrisy there in that this is, this is just like, we're perfectly happy to exercise this kind of state. repression. And it's, it's not even for, like, a war that we're doing. It's a war that our client state is doing that we're just determined to try and run cover for for as long as possible. Yeah. And as we say, it's extraordinarily unprecedented. It's drawn condemnation from the UN, Amnesty, UK, NAMSty International, and seems to be alienating good, conscientious

liberals from the Labour Party, you know, people, and like not to sort of talk about too much political arithmetic, right? But someone like Rishnara Ali, who's got a majority, who's got a majority of 35,000 slash a 1700 in the 2024 election, largely by a Gaza independent, you know? Yeah. You know, even if she didn't do this sort of renters rights, whoopsie, then you could very much see that it's like, okay, well, this is the party that in the span of one week suggested that critics of the online safety bill were in league with the ghost of Jimmy Saville and then had all of the Nans arrested.

Yeah. Yeah. It's lots of good reasons why squishy libs might consider hopping ship to, you know, it depends on who's in their constituency, the Greens, like Corbyn Party underscore final, the lib Dems. Lib Dems are very good at making hay out of this kind of thing. Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And they do have like enough of a tradition of like civil libertarianism,

as admittedly hypocritical as it's been, to like really kind of like hammer on that if they want to. So it's just, it really, it feels like apart from anything else, I know this is what it's for, this is what they want to do and it's a thrill to them, right? Like, the Met as well, and I'll talk about the Met in a second, but like it's such a miscalculation that it really feels like an attempt to get the lowest possible number of seats for Labor MPs whenever the next election is. It's not golf. It's not golf rules is what you're saying.

It turns out that actually number big better. Okay. The other thing that was striking to me about this was the Met Police communications about it, right? Because it was curiously vindictive and petty. Not to say that it's a surprise that the mess are either of these things. Certainly the arrests weren't a surprise, right? But like the tone of the announcements that they were giving out about them felt weirdly governmental. There was this, they were doing like epic clapbacks against to defend our juries,

which was the organization that was organizing the protest. and saying stuff like, oh, that claim simply isn't true or whatever. And it's like, hold on, why is the police doing this? Why are the police talking like this instead of the usual kind of pro forma police announcement? And I feel like the answer is in part because it's something that makes them genuinely enthusiastic. And in part because the home office and number 10 kind of know that this is like a big ask and are pushing for it. And so it's something that requires like all of these institutions down the line to kind of show willing and to show and enthusiasm and be like, yeah, you will be arrested and your life will be ruined if you support

Palestine action. It is the whole machinery of the state is falling in step behind this. And it is such an unprecedented move that you can hear it creaking. For example, 500 custody cells in London. There are 500 for sure. I mean, it depends on most of the people you arrest being kind of compliant enough that you can put them in like a pop-up gazebo style thing and be like, we will charge you. later, we'll just take your details now, which is what they did. And yeah, meanwhile, you know,

sort of like far right, like hotel, would be hotel arsons sort of like simmering across the country as well and sort of like various figures on the rights are like talking fairly openly about civil war and revolution and sort of like murmuring about blood in the streets and it all feels very bad. But I'm also not to kind of like hype up the civil rights thing because, you know, I'm a materialist and I know that these things are always kind of like contingent. But a couple of weeks ago, I didn't live in a country where I knew and had the kind of intrusive thought, like, oh, hey, you could get arrested in a genuinely, like, destructive way for writing two sentences on a piece of paper in public, right? Like, to, yeah, to, I would say now pretty well-known

sentences anyway. And it's like, that is a distinct change in the vibe around here, which is, like even for people who have already been surveilled and have already been subject to the kind of sharp end of the state that's a change. Yeah, I think it's probably also worth noting but like so much of this is also about optics as well and so it's like the sort of scenes that we saw of like Nan's being arrested and like people in wheelchairs and stuff

being arrested and like the genuine shock even among kind of like fairly normal people. I don't know whether you saw like there was a clip about from like Andrew Neal sort of going around today and it was quite like not to sort of give him credit at all because, you know, he's still, like, piece of shit. But he was also sort of saying that, like, oh, like these Palestine action arrests, like, in public for, like,

demonstrating, they're a bit much, aren't they? Like, you know, they might, the, the government might be sort of, like, going too far on this. I'm afraid Andrew Neal, it's not safe. It's not safe to have them on the streets. That's right. That's correct. Get their sick motherfucker in Belmont. And I do wonder, there's a part of me that's, like,

wondering that, okay, well, the Preston, that's sort of been set here is kind of like the police wanting to sort of show that they are sort of a more active like under sort of like a bit more sort of like public scrutiny sort of showing that they are an active like protective force or whatever but also kind of like seeding to the demands of like people who have projected their own fantasies of like who their sort of perceived enemies are and in the case of like Palestine action like it sort of being presented by the government as being this like really insidious dark evil group that have like like like so many nefarious plans that are so evil that you can't, you know, you can't even imagine what they're going to do. In many ways, very similar to like how the Israeli government still talks about or like how like people who support Israel like talk about Hamas, right? The idea that oh no, we have to destroy all, everyone. We have to like, you know, these measures that we're doing like, which include like, you know, mass starvation and sort of carpet bombing every day. They're necessary because you don't know like what Hamas are actually going

to do. And we have the intelligence to prove that actually like they're going to do like the big 9-11, right? They're going to do like a million 9-11s. They'll be doing 9-11s every single day. So we have to do the 9-11s every single day to make sure that they don't do it. That's the reason, like, you know, that's sort of their justification behind it. Yeah, at least Hamas kind of did do a 9-11. Palestine action didn't, like, haven't even achieved like 0.001 9-11.

But it's a good example of like that vibe shift because, again, like, you know, again, not sort of sort of, I don't know, like, you know, Tanahasi Coates like sort of says, you know, says, has said this multiple times, including in, like, his, like, book, his most recent book where he talks about Palestine, which is just like, well, if, like, so-called, like, Democrats are able to, and people who believe in, like, democracy are able to sort of, like, rationalize and justify a genocide, then they can also, you know, democracy probably doesn't mean that much to them. And the whole point being that, like, eventually these tactics and strategies and all the stuff that you sort of accept as necessary in order to sort of defend your democracy, like,

it will eventually come to you and at that point there is nothing that you can really do to stop it and I think we're sort of seeing I mean we're see it was not I think we're seeing elements of it we are seeing elements of it in America like you know Trump has sort of announced

that like the National Guard is about to like sort of take over Washington so that's cool and in the UK it's like obviously like you know nothing nothing to like that level because we know we are we're doing America but on like a shoestring budget so instead we just have like angrier police

and smarmier police officers that are just like, oh, you don't think we're going to arrest your grand. We don't think you're going to, we're going to arrest Sweet Nann giving out Wervers' originals in Parliament Square. Well, fuck you, we're going to do that. And we're going to, like, do, and we're going to bring out the special handcuffs as well, the ones with, like, spikes on them. You know, and then, and like, I sort of, I sort of feel like, you know, for them as, like,

the optics of, like, we want, they want to sort of be shown as being, like, a brutal police force because their calculation is that, like, that sort of works well for their sort of public image or their optics and everything. Yeah. But again, the reality is. like, no, it just makes you come across as being like fucking vindictive losers, but also, like, there are people who are looking at this and being like, oh, hey, like, if this can be used for like, you know, the Palestine action protesters who aren't really doing anything, they can

probably be used on like the far right, like, protesters who really want a fucking civil war as well, right? And like, what are you going to do when that happens? So I do sort of think that like this, I have a feeling that this is going to sort of be seen as like a gross, I don't know if it's going to be seen as like a gross miscalculation, but it will be one. of those moments where it's just like, oh, like, there was this sort of, as Nova's sort of post like put out, there is this like very noticeable change in the vibe. And we're going to sort of see the ramifications of that as arrests for like what are pretty arbitrary and fairly normal things in public demonstrations, public protests and even private protests, like begin

to be criminalized to the extent of like, yeah, writing things on cardboard is akin to doing 9-11. I have a slightly different feeling about this. I hope I haven't just been like tossed the dodgeball of prophecy here, right? Because I think, I always like saying, right, that I hate it when the state defends itself against the left, but I love when the state defends itself against the right. But like, if we've seen anything from the last round of riots and indeed the current one, it's the kind of the actually existing model of two-tier policing, right, is that the state doesn't defend itself against the right any more than it possibly has to. It strikes me that there are two reasons why. One is the kind of like cringing agreement either out of like

genuinely shared bigotry or, like, fear that, you know, we should, we should just give these people what they want. But it's also because tactically, the far right is much more willing to offer violence, right? You don't see, generally speaking, a sort of far right cause celebrity being a bunch of retired vicars get arrested, right? What it is is a bunch of people who are very determined to fistfight the police. And what that means, that that has been a much more successful strategy for the right than it ever has been for the left, because of that first part, What that means for, you know, the rights prospects, what that means to, like, a future of process on the left? Probably nothing good for anyone in either case is my feeling.

Like, if you want you to put, like, a button on it, right? I don't think that this leads towards, like, we have just prescribed reform UK, Nigel Farage, is being executed as we speak, right? I think it's more likely to lead to Prime Minister Farage prescribing Corbyn Party. Well, yes, quite, right? And it's not to say that he necessarily needed, he could have realistically come up with the justification himself, but hey, this makes it a whole fuck of a lot easier. Yeah, it's just like moving the extra step for him, you know? Well, yeah, because police have already shown in Kent that they're willing to make arrests for

statements in support of Palestine, right? Just in general. Yeah, just in general because they're going to interpret, they have interpreted this law, right? So it's not so far-fetched for a Farage government to just say, or a fucking Starmer government, to be honest, to just say, okay, your party, they've been very supportive of Palestine. So that's enough for us to sort of homeopathically say that this is also an expression of support for a prescribed group. So I guess we have to arrest them. With it within the statute, it's not a stretch. That's how broadly it's reckoned.

Yeah. And so, like, I see people, you know, like James Ball and stuff getting on, getting people. you know, old supporters of people who love Starmer, right? And James Ball, Ian Dunn, people like this. Finally, some seriousness. Yeah, yeah. And they're stuck scratching their heads being like, why would the Starmer government make such an error?

Why would they fuck up this badly? I have a fun theory about this. Are we familiar with the Russian political concept of good, Zah, bad boyars? Right. Like, the guy in charge, he's good, right? It's just he doesn't know, right? I really like the idea of doing that with Starmer and being like,

if only the, and I remind you, human rights lawyer in Downing Street knew what that woman, Yvette Cooper was doing in his name, you know? Yeah, she's sort of the Rasputin of this situation. So, also, like, I don't think

you can be said that this was an error, right? This is what the government has repeatedly said it wants to do. Clamp down, show strength, zero tolerance, lest anyone mistake them for sympathizing with the opposition to the U.S. foreign policy consensus and opposition to the daily mail commentators who all think their chomos and terrorists anyway. Well, yeah, I mean, because there's never going to be enough for these people, right?

Because what these people want to see isn't like people getting arrested. They want to see people getting killed. They want to see these people get beaten to death. Yeah. So, you know, Yvette Cooper and Kier-Starmer are now relishing that they're getting to show Britain and the world that they're tough enough to stand up to largely little old ladies and retired Vickers. Because right now, Alex Davies Jones, it all comes back to the beginning, has been sent around all the morning shows saying nobody is above the law to even people like Richard Madeley, who ordinarily has the IQ of a spaniel, and yet even he is able to see that this is kind of a fucked up situation and is actually asking, this is what it took, I guess, for him to actually

ask a follow-up question. This is kind of the general trend of these things whenever they happen, right, is people are genuinely very surprised by the vibe shift until they're not. And there are a lot of like, kind of dumber people who just haven't ever thought about this being like, well, that doesn't seem right. And then they just get overwhelmed one way or the other. So, and I mean, to be honest, Richard Madeley, I think they can send him to prison too. I don't care. Yeah. Never, never thought I'd be in the gulag side by side with Richard Madeley. No, but how about a friend? Still no.

Yeah, like, that's, okay, Richard Madele, you know, it was pretty reckless of you to ask those follow-up questions. Yeah, why did he do that? Was that a form of support of Palestine action? Yeah. You know, so, hey, that was, again, I want to be clear, 30 minutes of discussion about this law and how it is being enforced, that is it. Okay. I want to read an article. Ahem. This, we're going to, we're going to take a jump. We're going to take a jump to California. Because the New York Times has published an article that, and again, this is not one of these articles that is written by an airhead. This is one of these articles that is written by someone who is simply covering the goings on in the San Francisco Bay area. Uh-huh. Sure. A lot of

goings on out there right here. Oh my God, the goings on are crazy. Uh, no, so this is an article entitled, Ahem, what happened when Mark Zuckerberg moved in Next Door? And that's by Heather Knight in New York Times. Now, I want to praise you this by having everyone remember. Sarah Wynne Williams, apparently listener to the show, so hello, Sarah. Hi, Sarah. Yeah. Sarah Wynne Williams's book, Careless People, which explores exactly what a complete psycho Mark Zuckerberg is. Great book. Yeah. Learned a lot more about Cheryl Sandberg than I thought or wanted to.

Yes, that is right. So, this is all about what it's like to live next to this man. Some are calling him the greatest neighbor in history. It's just like looking out of the window and Mark Zuckerberg personally carrying like a wakeboard and a bunch of clothes out of a van. I'm just like, oh, for fuck sake. He's got a flamethrower. Yeah. Oh, God.

I can't believe. I wish he would go into his like MMA phase from his epic phase. This is super annoying to live with. Just like large print t-shirt that just says Keikilius Esten-Horto. We can sell that. We can very easily sell that. That would be super easy to make.

Marcus Estin Horto, and his Horto is pretty fucking large. So for decades, the Crescent Park neighborhood of Palo Alto represented the dream of California living. And by the way, this is one of the richest neighborhoods in modern America, which makes it one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in history outside. I don't know, Timbuktu under Mansa Musa. I am ready to sympathize with almost anyone in this situation. This is a real like Bill Gross and his neighbor situation where again his neighbors

at biotech CEO, but I'm like all power to the bio. If we were hearts in hearts of iron, the Soviet Union would send millions of like conscripted reindeer farmers to fight that man's side yard dispute. It's the thing. It's sort of like becoming like having your own gravitational well. Mark Zuckerberg is so rich that he creates his own sense. second proletariat around him. So, doctors, lawyers, and business executives, and Stanford professors lived in charming homes

under oak, redwood, and magnolia trees. The houses, an eclectic mix, including craftsmen's and bungalows, were filled with families who became fast friends. The annual block parties heaved with people, daily life was tranquil, and the soundtrack was one of children laughing as they rode their bicycles and played in one another's gardens. Again, this is a situation created by the extreme and militarized protection of these people's This is already the garden party from zone of interest. Yes, of course. However,

Mark Zuckerberg is wakeboarding towards it at a terrible pace. We are creating a second zone. A zone of compound interest. This is like where in Children of Men, when Theo crosses into like the mall and suddenly it's like people

walking flamingos and stuff. Yeah, it's like, okay, this is one step removed from that. This is one more. This is the person who's like tormenting the Flamingo Walkers. So then Mark Zuckerberg moved in. Since his arrival 14 years ago, Crescent Park's neighborhood tranquility

and even many of its actual residents have vanished. Residents hardly ever see the Facebook founder, now worth over a quarter trillion dollars, but they feel his presence every day. It's sort of like the ecosystem required to sustain being a billionaire. It's so like unnaturally strange that it does just depopulate things around.

Like JK Rowling's bit of Edinburgh as well. it's like it just even when they're not there it's just you kind of see why kings used to have to go and build the like hunting lodge outside of town you know like a versa or whatever is you need a compound for this shit you can't just live in a house yeah it's so unnatural that this happens that unless you can create miles of space between you and the closest person who isn't either immediately related to you or wearing an exploding collar then like that's what you have to do yeah so mr zuckerberg has used to used his Edgewood Drive and Hamilton Avenue in Crescent Park, like a Monopoly Game Board, spending more than $110 million to scoop up at least 11 houses. You'd think there'd be more houses for 110, Bill, but that's the Bay Area for you. Yeah, yeah. Several of his properties sit empty in this crunched housing market, and he's turned five of them into a compound with a main house for him, his wife, Priscilla, their three daughters,

along with guest homes, lush gardens, a nearby pickleball court, a pool that can be covered put the hydro floor to become a dance floor and a seven foot statue depicting Priscilla Chan in a silver flowing robe that Mark Zuckerberg commissioned last year it sits on the property. Your use of the word compound here does have me engaging in a fantasy where President Trump sends SEAL Team 6 to crash an experimental helicopter next to Mark Zuckerberg's compound. Yeah, they didn't. They thought the hydro floor would be up, but instead they just land in the pool. Yeah, also I like that he's built a giant wife for himself.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, the thing is, wife guy is normally a relatable characteristic, but when you start introducing the, like, seven-foot statue in the compound, I'm like... Oh, my God. I built this giant statue of my wife,

and there's a slide that goes right into her mouth. I hope I don't slip on it. Oh, no. Oh, no. Her robot foot is crushing me. Oh, this is terrible. Can I say something that I think Mark Zuckerberg may like and may not? Uh-huh.

This is one of the most evoccal. of a Roman emperor things he's yet done. Oh, 100%. I was going to say this feels like a sign of like a guy who absolutely has cheated and is continuing to cheat. Yeah. Oh, come on. He'd never do that. The compound is encircled by a high row

of hedges and there's no such thing as knocking on the front door to borrow a cup of sugar. One of the inoccupied buildings is used as entertainment and a staging ground for outdoor parties. Another property has been used in the past few years as a private school for 14 children even though that's not allowable for the use of a house under the

neighborhood city code. Six adults, including four teachers, worked there this past school year. Troubling? Troubling? Yeah, I was tutored by Mark Zuckerberg. I was tutored by the utterances of the giant silver statue of Mark Zuckerberg's wife. This is unhealthy. I don't think you should have a like mandatory axe throwing sort of lesson. Yeah, I just don't think that religious studies should include shrimp Jesus. You know, call me a traditionalist. You know, underneath the compound, Suckerberg has added 7,000 square feet of space, cavernous areas that his building permits refer to as basements, but that his neighbors call bunkers,

which has led to eight years of construction, filling the streets with massive equipment and a lot of noise. That's the thing. If you're pretty sure that any random person you see is going to kill you because you're a quarter trillionaire, then you're going to have to spend a lot of time basically fortifying everywhere you are. At IDF on Twitter,

I've received intelligence on a Hamas command. center at these coordinates. Please send a bunker buster missile. Yeah. I mean, okay, it's got a school on top of it. Never stelt him before. Mr. Zuckerberg has also brought intense levels of surveillance to the neighborhood, including cameras positioned at his homes, views of his neighbor's property. Isn't that cool? You've made some pittily $10 million. You bought this house when it's worth $2 million and you're living off the annuities of the other eight because you were like, I don't know, you were a partner at a San Francisco law firm and you worked on some like a couple big startup acquisitions in like the 90s. You know,

tell you what, you're selling your own labor, makes you proletarian. Yeah, that's right. It's a humble source of the earth senior cardiologist or like... And a humble salt of the earth, uh, biotech executive. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he's, uh, look, he sells his labor. You're a wage cuck. Yes. Yeah. As far, look, if you've only sold one company, you're a wage cuck as far as he's concerned. And he's going to, he's going to point a camera at your house because he knows that you and the other, like, you know, disaffective proletarians, such as like professors who spun out companies from Stanford,

senior council at Bay Area law firms. As you say, Nova, senior cardiologists are going to show up with like very expensive pitchforks that they bought from William Sonoma. Yeah, it's like having this image in my head because I'm a billionaire of like the big stability meter, like hearts of iron style for the US dipping below a certain number. And then the like best cardiologist on the West Coast, his wife and kids, all run at my ramparts. like the kids from weapons. So he has a team

of private security guards who sit in cars filming visitors and asking people what they're doing as they walk on public sidewalks. Yeah. So like, hey, don't go for a walk. It's easy.

It's easy. Just don't. Just don't go for a walk there because he's too important for you to walk. Yeah, he's not even necessarily in residence. Like, they would raise a kind of

like Roman sort of vexilla if he were, but like, you know, it could be at any time. They would raise a Roman they'd raise an equilia like they'd raise a Roman eagle but the eagle would be holding it would be like one winged

and holding it the sign that says nobody said they liked my art and it's my birthday so Aaron McLeer a spokesman a neighborhood spokesman for Mr. Zuckerberg and Ms. Chan said the couple tried hard I got a full-time job

for the guy who runs my like intra-neighborhood relations with the cardiologists yeah intra-neighborhood relations includes a public relations team but actually the image processing team and the drone surveillance team is much, much larger, right?

The public relations team, look, they go out and like, yeah, they'll play basketball with the cardiologist. Yeah, if you see a Mark Zuckerberg guy in a blue vest, he's actually there to, like, get intelligence on you. Yeah. Florescent blue Patagonia vest.

Yeah, like, if you're walking and you just see some guys in like San Francisco 49ers hats and like Timberland, Timberland boots and like normal jeans, They're almost certainly actually undercover private security or are going to like rendition you to one of the bunkers if you walk past the house. It's also everything being like top of the line for this is really funny because it's like the image of like poaching a unit 8200 guy away from like, you know, drone striking families to be like, yeah, I want you to watch a bunch of surveillance cameras of this insanely rich neighborhood in San Francisco. Yeah. Just all day.

Yeah, all day. Just hey, you know what? What if one of those senior cardiologists looks a little bit froggy? We got to make sure that, like, you know, the Facebook early response team is on it. So, Neighborhood spokesman from Mr. Zuckerberg and Chan and Ms. Chan said the couple tried hard to do right by their neighbors, but Meta requires heavy security for its chief executive because of credible threats. And they will move cameras off of neighbors if they ask. But you can't, who are you going to ask? The guy?

The undercover surveillance guy? Actually, I'm fine with it. I would just live normal style with the company, which is me, by the way. The company insists that I be extremely coarseted. Yeah. All I want to do is hang out with my neighbor. I want to play the games to pick up basketball instead of the private security guys I deputize to like,

I want to do the San Francisco Shura. I think that would be great. I mean, like, because if you think about the board of Facebook, right, like because it's all Mark Zuckerberg orbiters, like, of course they feel this way. Would there actually be any stock effects on Facebook of Mark Zuckerberg getting Luigi Manjohned? I have no idea, probably less than he thinks. Yeah.

What is his value ad besides having a lot of money at this point? What's he done lately other than the Metaverse? You know, that's any minute now. It's called meta, after all. No, after the Metaverse. The Luigi Manjone challenge to that kind of corporate leadership is effectively, like, what is it that you say that you, you know, do here, right? link. I think, yeah, the United Health stock, it did go down, you know. Anyway, anyway,

the family staff provides neighbors with notice of potentially disruptive events and gives them a contact phone number to report problems. Staff for neighbors are reimbursed for rideshares to encourage them not to park their own cars in the neighborhood. Hey, sorry, we are having a sort of a Gilded Age Bacchanal in our gigantic compound that we have taken over most of the neighborhood with. So here's a number you can call to ask us to turn it down. And then we will drone strike you with pure money. Trying to think about, just to like eat the sympathy for the cardiologists here for a second, trying to think about going back to somebody's house and they're like, oh, sorry, we have to

get Uber because my neighbor is Mark Zuckerberg. So we're actually not allowed to park on the street in case somebody car bombs him. So Mr. McClure said the spokesman, Mark Priscilla and their children have made Palo Alto their home for more than a decade. They value, yeah, they've made Palo Alto their home for more than a decade, in which they've slowly just walled off bigger bits of it. They've also made Palo Alto their home in the same way that Joseph Fritzel made his daughter, his wife, you know, in a really deeply non-consensual and criminal way for which they should

certainly be punished. Yeah, it was also just like it feels like making home in a way, in the same way that like a fucking like settler makes his home in the West Bank, right? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. This is like, oh, he's made it his home. Not quite the same way because obviously in the West Bank, like, you know, you can, you get shot and stuff for, like, stepping in the wrong way.

And, like, Zuckerberg probably wants to do that, but he can't. And so he has to sort of, like, be annoying enough to sort of get people to wish that they, like, he would shoot them. Yeah. He definitely is so resents that he has to employ a neighborhood spokesman and has to give these people the sop of a contact number they can complain to if the Bacchanal gets too loud. Because he's like, no, no, no.

If the world were right and just, and I was the Caesar that I know I am, and we know that he's like this from like, at least temperamentally from reading his books, he what he wants to do is just, like, you know, if someone call, that number, if you call and complain, it activates a little device, because he's bought the parking spot in front of your house, actually. It activates a little device that opens the floor of that parking spot and then a middle finger rises up from out of the floor. Some fireworks go off and then it retracts. And that's it. And that's all that happens. Yeah. They value being members of the community. What community are you a member of? Yeah, you cannot be in any community as a billionaire. You can't even be a,

a cult in a community of billionaires. That's why they all hate each other. You can be at best, like, loose associates, right? These guys, I mean, yeah, I mean, these guys love to sort of, like, talk about being part of the community while also being, like, the most anti-social motherfuckers, like, imaginable. It's not, yeah, like, there is, like, a type of person who, like, longs for community, like, say they long for community. It's like, no, you can't, like, even talk to people properly.

Like, you can't even, like, show, like, basic decency to people. And I feel like it's very, yeah, it feels like it's very much, like, part of that. So, like, not to necessarily say that he, but I mean, I was going to say, like, maybe there's this, you know, the cynical part of me is like, yeah, they don't actually believe they're, like, part of any community. They want to just sort of, like, run the place in the way that they want to. But he actually does give me the impression of, like, someone who believes that this is, like, healthy social behavior. Like, he's doing something, like, good for everyone else. And therefore he is, like, you know, he's using his, like, status and power to sort of

contribute to the community in, like, a very unique way. It just so happens that way is, like, don't ever walk. Don't drive your car. Maybe, like, don't do anything. at all. Well, I think the thing is, like, all these billionaires, they see themselves as Greek gods, and they are right only in the sense that the Greek gods were fractious, hated each other, and basically spent their lives capriciously tormenting mortals and one another, right? This is, there is no community that you possibly could have with people over whom you have so much power. And that's, again, that's how Mark Zuckerberg, we know this from having, like, actually knowing about him as a person. That's how he wants to be in a community.

is he, you know, I'm a member of the community, I'm the god of it. That's a member, you know, says, Mr. Zuckerberg's expansion in Crescent Park was revealed through interviews with nine neighbors, seven of whom, of whom would not speak publicly for fear of retribution, you know, from their fellow community member who loves being in the community. That's a fairly normal thing to say, to say about your neighbor. I'm scared. I'm scared of him, so please keep me in on. Yeah, as well as a review of building permits affidavit, certificates, information of limited liability companies, home deeds, recordings of local commission meetings and emails between neighbors and city officials. But few know firsthand of the decades-long disruption, noise, and surveillance and uncertainty

this person can create better than his neighbors in Crescent Park. No neighborhood wants to be occupied, said Michael Kaishnik, who's on Hamilton Avenue, is bound on three sides by property owned by Zuckerberg. But that's exactly what they've done. They've occupied her neighborhood. And by the way, right, the city, he tried to do this all at once in 2016. And then the city said, no, you can't build a compound all at once. Yeah, we would like to be a city instead of like a kind of feudal domain. Yes. Yeah.

Look, I am a senior cardiologist, not a villane. Yeah, it turns out that, like, you know, those guys do vote and pay taxes and stuff. So, like, we would like ideally not to be American Versailles. Well, but the city then allowed him to create it anyway so long as he did it slowly and piecemeal. I feel like that's two podcasts today. We've done this exact story. Yeah.

Cheko, no gods, no mares. But so basically, it's like, yeah, if he could do it slowly in piecemeal, then he was able to do it, that he couldn't move all those lots together at once. Just the other day, for example, the police department provided signs to affix to trees, creating a long towaway zone on a public road, blocking neighbors from parking their own cars there for five hours on a Wednesday evening.

The reason, Kajnick learned, was that Mr. Zuckerberg was hosting a backyard barbecue and the police had assigned its officer in charge of visiting foreign dignitaries to assist him. That's so funny to be like, I, you know, I really, I made it as like a biotech person, or like I sold a dot-com startup or whatever, Or like, I'm so good at heart surgery.

I make $600,000 a year. I had to walk five miles to and from my car because Mark Zuckerberg is having a barbecue and MBS is there. Yeah, but because we needed a take off and landing space for the predator drone. Mark Zuckerberg, his comfort predator drone that he really likes. And as a community member, he would really understand if you appreciate if you let him fly it. I think, I think being one of those people, being part of the like, let's say comfortably, like 0.1%, right? has to involve, like, a decent amount of daily humiliation at the hands of the point zero one percent, if that follows, but, like, this seems egregious, even though by those standards, like, if you're the kind of person where, like, table stakes already is, you will never know poverty or, like, any kind of suffering court that is remediable by money ever again, right? That's the baseline. All of those people are living in the kind of, uh, the culture future. You know, we're like, we've just abolished a bunch of human suffering, right? All you have is ego. at that point. And those people are therefore flexing on you constantly. They're constantly the kind

of grain of sand in your shoe. This is like putting a rock in your shoe. This is, this is that much worse. This is like, um, like one of the best ways to be like habitually humiliated in public in the medieval era was just to be like a courtier of an easily pissed off king, right? Hey, you own a lot of land and you're the landlord of all that land. You're, you as you say, will never know poverty. But you know what? You gotta be in the court of the king, I'm afraid. you are like as as safe and as rich as you can as it's like plausible for someone who is you know still a human being to be however uh this hooting moron is kind of your god yeah this hooting moron gets to use you as a footstool and you have to say thank you um so kaishnik is the co-founder of a cell phone company and now works as a green energy advocate yeah uh yeah classic he said that mr zuckerberg through his staff has offered to buy his house but he lived here for more than 30 years and didn't want to move mr zuckerberg has been in a real estate buying and selling spree. For example, buying huge amounts of the Hawaiian island of Kauai, you're buying a huge mansion in Washington, D.C., and so on and so on.

I got to be honest, if I had the opportunity to be the kind of nail house, stopping Mark Zuckerberg from building his Versailles, and I know how much money Mark Zuckerberg has, I would hold out for an insultingly larger amount of money as well. Oh, yeah, you need, hey, it's got to be a billy, got to be a billy or above. You got to put me in, you got to make me be able to have other 0.1 percenters as footstools. And then I will consider selling you this house. You know, give me footstool money.

So the purchases often fly under the radar because they're made with limited liability companies, always with different nature themed names, such as Pineboro or Seed Breeze. Seed breeze. Have you ever been in nature? What is a seed breeze? Is it pollen?

A seed breeze is like those two weeks in London where all of the, what's the Linden trees? Yeah, all of the Linden trees are like fruiting at once and smells like cum. Yeah, that's a seed breeze. Yeah, God. So Peter Belta, a Palo Alka architect, who is a member of the review board, I mean, he's doing all of his renovation, said he found the proposal to like, to demolish four homes and build a 7,000 square put basement under all of them was odd.

So we went to the site to see it in person before casting a vote. He said a security guard approached him. I said, I'm standing on the sidewalk looking at this project for review. And the guard said, we'd appreciate it if you could move on. Mr. Belte recalled, I was pretty shocked. It's a public sidewalk. Again, these people shouldn't know that because being moved on from a public sidewalk, That's for, like, homeless people or, you know, like, or the poor or, you know, like, like, non-white people.

I'm not supposed to be controlled out of public space that way. The board quashed the plan back then, but Mr. Zuckerberg moved to head with it anyway, just more slowly with one or two weeks a time. Are we just betting that Mark Zuckerberg has just, like, dug the bunker under these houses anyway and defies anyone to find out? Yes, that's what he's done. Yeah, that tracks. That makes sense. 100%. Okay, sure.

Why is everyone so tunnel-pilled lately? What the fuck? Why are we as a world getting more like subterranean with it all the time? Greerstone, a member of the city council lives near Crescent Park, said the city has followed the letter of its code but not the spirit and allowing Mr. Zuckerberg to take over the neighborhood. He's been finding loopholes around our local laws and zoning ordinances. We should never be a gated, gilded city on a hill where people don't know their neighbors.

Yeah, we should be a gated gilded city on a hill where people do know their neighbors. God damn it. Well, exactly, right? Like, yeah. Stop using us as footstools. Fuck. Yeah. So party time usually includes valet parking for partygoers and gowns and

tuxed or costume if the theme calls for them. The music is often loud, prompting complaints to the police. Neighbors say they often don't get a response. But Mr. Zuckerberg and Ms. Chan held their wedding at the property. In October, they had a disco party there. With Zuckerberg in white pants in a gold chain and Chan and a sequin gold pants in a one shoulder top. Mark Zuckerberg wrote the following on Instagram,

Disco Queen wanted a party. Oh, my God. Yeah. Here's the thing, right, as well, about what makes this so antisocial. is. Say you're a loud music guy. Fine. Whatever. Lots of, lots of people are. You own a decent portion of Hawaii. You know where you could play a lot of really loud music and probably not noise pollute any more than like killing a few airborne birds? Probably Hawaii. Oh, come on. And yet you choose to do it in the like, in the suburban mega compound, your building. So Mr. Kaishnik said

when Zuckerberg bought the home next door, Zuckerberg staff members informed him that the wooden fences separating the two homes, which had a gate for children to scurry through, didn't meet Facebook standards. It has since been rebuilt twice, taller and thicker each time. Yeah, it's like, well, it's fine, but we have put in a bunch of landmines on our side, so like don't let your kids through that. Yeah. Mr. Zuckerberg's staff do claim to have made some accommodations. For example, security guards now sit in quiet electric vehicles rather than in loud gas powered cars. Mr. Zuckerberg does not attend the annual block parties, which now very small, but he does occasionally send things like an ice cream cart. Or if he sends

gifts to his neighbors and the racket gets loud, including bottles of wine, chocolates and crispy cream donuts. The most memorable gift delivery, and this is where the article ends, was noise cancelling headphones. Oh, my God. This is, this is getting scary as well. Like, if you're one of these people, I'm kind of thinking that, like, just based on the extent of the security, I'm like, you're in your backyard grilling. You don't want to make any sudden movements with like a gunmetal colored object in case the sniper nest on the roof of one of Mark Zuckerberg's 11 houses just like domes you off instantly. Yeah. Well, And, you know, you don't want to walk too close to the fence because, hey, maybe you were approaching it threateningly.

Maybe you step on a landmine. Yeah. I hate to say it about people this rich, but they don't deserve this. They might deserve some other things, but they don't deserve this. Yeah. So I think that's about it for us today. But. Big drawing of Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan was two bad neighbors.

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