TRASHFUTURE - Patriots in Control of the Cancer Gun feat. Tim Faust

Episode Date: May 20, 2025

For this week’s free one, we’ve got returning guest Tim Faust on to talk about Make America Healthy Again (citations needed), Diamond Joe having cancer, the intensely evil cross-partisan urge to institute Medicaid work requirements in the US, plus a visit to the developing paradise of Neom. It’s all here for the taking, folks. Get more TF episodes each week by subscribing to our Patreon here! *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s tour dates here: https://miloedwards.co.uk/live-shows *TF LIVE ALERT* We’ll be performing at the Big Fat Festival hosted by Big Belly Comedy on Saturday, 21st June! You can get tickets for that here! You can also get tickets for our show at the Edinburgh Fringe festival here! Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and November (@postoctobrist)

I think it's really unfair how in the last 12 months, two amazing, strong leaders, I'm not afraid to say that they're white men, right? They're white men of a certain age. They're being fucking taken from us by prostate cancer. First it was King Charles, and now it's Joe Biden. Yeah, because King Charles, as we know, has died, to be clear. And is now joined in an early grave, regretfully, by President Joe Biden. I'm so happy to hear about this joke.

He tried to warn us. I mean, if you remember the tweet where he said, I'm sick. He knew. You know? And that was a warning about the deep state that we failed to heed. I thought years of being pegged by Camilla would have warded this off, but apparently not. Well, it's like, I think that we need to, collectively, we need to start a TF podcast

says fuck cancer fundraiser for Joe Biden. We can raise money to get him the care that he needs. Yes, exactly. No, Joe Biden, I can't believe his health is failing him. This is very surprising. Can you imagine if he had stayed in the race, won, and then after four months of Biden two doddering around, announced that he was dying? Yeah.

And then President Kamala Harris, perfect. I'm with her. She hit him with the cancer gun. Yeah. Basically. Just too late. I did see a conspiracy post on Twitter that it was the Havana gun raid for real. So that conspiracy is out there.

Oh, I saw that. They were like, yeah, they got John McCain with it first. Then they got Biden. This is why it was so important for patriots to be in control of the FBI is because so that they could give Dan Bongino the heart attack gun that he could then use and fire directly at Joe Biden's prostate. Sick of all this woke stuff. They want to give Dan a Bon Gino. Yeah. I have been following sort of vaguely Dan Bon Gino and Cash Patel's January 6th testimony

and they keep on going on TV and being like, yeah, it turns out all the QAnon stuff still isn't real, but we are looking for it. We are looking for the QAnon stuff. All of those guys are learning that being in charge of the FBI is hard, which the real decline in the fascism, you never heard J Edgar Hoover complaining about that shit, you know? Well, J Edgar Hoover had his hobby. Yeah, that's true.

He was in it for the love of the... God, those guys would not have liked J Edgar Hoover's hobby. We are joined for the second time in a while by Tim Faust, a healthcare justice campaigner and author of the Error newsletter about health and health justice. Great to have you back again. How has your last seven years been? Let's get a day to day update before we go into the material. Yeah.

I mean, not much has happened in the past seven years. I've mostly just been chilling. So you know, that's, that's pretty much it. So have we. I'm sitting in the exact same couch that I was seven years ago. I actually haven't moved since we last spoke. I've kind of been waiting for the call. Of course.

It must be tough being a health justice campaigner in the US because, you know, there's so little for you to do. Everything works so well. I mostly sit at home and kind of take it easy. Right now, especially, it's been one of the easiest times to take it. I mean, if anything, Joe Biden has finally given you something to do by, you know, being a public servant who has a, you know, serious medical needs. And I appreciate it because we're getting out there, we're storming the streets, we're

throwing town halls, we're organizing events for that fundraiser for Joe Biden's cancer. We're going to get out there and we're going to pass the hat. We're doing bingo. We're going back and forth. We're going to get out there and we're going to we're going to pass the hat. We're doing bingo. We're going back and forth. We're going to raise that money. I've heard that Tim Foust is going to save my ass. Yeah, Britain is going to send over Cuba style, like a platoon of doctors to go and also we don't need them here to go and assist.

And everybody is going to be looking at the president's ass and trying to figure out what the hell is going on. A battalion of our nation's finest ass doctors on standby. We'd send over a platoon of middlemen, some of our best middlemen. That's what we lead the world in. Yeah, yeah.

Look, we're going to be exactly measuring your KPI of how long and how deeply are you looking into the ex-president's ass. Yeah, that's right. The killing prostate index. Thank you very much. No, look, Tim's here. We're going to talk a lot about the MAHA, Make America Healthy Again, agenda. We're going to be talking about the, yes, I know it's very funny.

We're going to be talking about also the changes that are coming to Medicare and exactly how these both represent, again, like so many things that the sort of current clique of rulers of, you know, America's or believe in, sort of the brutal enforcement of hierarchy sort of across the board, wherever they can. The maha gender was just making me laugh because it sounds like something from Shogun controlled Japan. There was much debate about the maha gender at various conferences in Osaka. I feel like maha gender to me hits the like, new running shoe name, where from a brand that's sort of run out of ideas.

I mean, the other thing that's worth saying about all of this is that talking about US healthcare is not just important in itself, but also because all of this stuff comes here, inevitably it returns with our ass doctors. Yeah. Oh yeah. We're overseas foreshadowing for what's going to happen with NHS.

Yeah. If anyone knows how to smuggle something in through the back door, it's our ass doctors. Yeah. Oh yeah, we're overseas foreshadowing for what's going to happen with NHS. Yeah. If anyone knows how to smuggle something in through the back door, it's our ass doctors. It's impossible to search these people. They can get it so far up there. They turn their heads and they cough for nothing. You know how you have to, like, because one guy tried to do a shoe bombing, now you have to take your shoes off in the airport. It's like after that mandatory airport colonoscopy.

Not just for trans people anymore. Yeah, mandatory airport colonic irrigation, just to really check. You feel so light. Guy keeps flying because he's just into it. Yeah, so, but we're going to talk about a little bit of the biggest news in healthcare today. But first, I just wanted to ask, I'll ask November, how is your day going? Oh, I mean, it's great, right?

Because I found, I heard, you know, I met with my handler. I saw a series of like markings chalked on a park bench. And so I went for a walk and I had a lovely chat with a nice man who worked simultaneously for Iran, Russia, China, and any number of nefarious enemies of the United Kingdom. He was not Jan Masalek, weirdly. And he said, you know, good work, keep it up, you are an honorary colonel in the FSB at this point, and keep weakening Britain, which is what I'm determined to do.

Yeah, so this is, of course, referring to... I've moved some news around. Some of it's going into Thursday. This is, of course, referring to a new definition of extremism that, again, I'm glad we have an American here to hear about, which has been promulgated by, again, a labor-connected KC, which essentially says we need to have a new law in Britain that cracks down on foreign subversion. So many KCs and so little sunshine, man. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, where foreign subversion will be defined as, uh, for example-

There's anything we need to get down on it. Uh, well, for example, doing things like making sure that the UK hates itself and its history, that the definition of itself and its history, that the definition of woman should be put into question, and that masculinity should be considered to be toxic, white people should be ashamed and non-white people aggrieved. I would promote anti-Semitism within politics. I have the most kind of like, guffawing into my sleeve kind of letter to the editor of The Times response to this, which is to write in like, you know, sir, I learned with surprise from yesterday's Times that, you know, my transition has been unwittingly in

service of foreign agents. Given how badly it's been going, could I ask the foreign agents to work a bit harder, please? And then that gets the equivalent of like five billion likes on like Times letters to the editor Twitter. I might send that in just to see if they print it. Yeah. But yeah, it's very ironically I suppose very Putinist to be like we're gonna we got to find and label foreign agents you know who are infecting our culture with their strange values right? I like the idea that the Russians are

like funding people to be trans in the UK and I just selling that as an FSB program. No, it's bad when they do it over here, but when they do it over there, it's good. If you are a Russian trans person, what you are is a classic example of the intelligence phenomenon of blowback. This is of course, remarks by Jonathan Hall, a senior lawyer, the independent reviewer of state threat legislation, his report on using counterterrorism laws against state interference. So essentially, he is saying, hey, if you sort of believe any of like the major social

justice stuff that the Times has hated for the last 10 years, we have a credible reason to think you might be a foreign spy. Yes. Yes. Or at least the kind of unwilling, like, cat-paw of one, the unwitting one. So you know, maybe some Iranian agents are trying to, like, maximize the number of transitions in the world by, you know, sort of like inculcating gender theory or whatever, and then you just to sort of haplessly take advantage of this. This is all very ironic. Diatola Khomeini like keeps like a piece. I don't know if you've been on his website.

We're mutuals. We're in the DMs. We're in a group chat. He follows your locked account. I'm very, I'm very like, I've always been very fascinated by like his book reviews because they're very like unexpected. And a lot them- You really like to de-transition babies. Yeah. Well, I was going to say that like, I don't think I've seen Judith Butler on any of his reading lists. So like, it's a bit of a surprise. It's a bit of a stretch, I feel, to sort of draw your line between like, you know, gender theory, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Russia-

China, Russia. China, yeah. The thing that's ironic about all of this, really, is not for the first time with terrorism legislation or national security stuff, in fact, far from the first time, what this represents is a radicalization of the guy writing it. Like, this is a guy who is cooked right wing style. You go like, back ten, fifteen years, and any of this stuff would have been not unreasonably on a watchlist for like domestic far-right stuff

But instead now that's been so successfully normalized That you can kind of make policy on that basis and it's it's completely unquestioned and it's like no I'm I'm not the fucking like subversive agent here. this guy's the subversive agent here if anyone is I mean I would also I would also sort of just add very quickly that like the impulse of basically every sort of office for counter extremism and like the sort of independent quote-unquote like independent review of counter extremists or of extremism they've always been really cranky like they've always sort of been very cranky they've always been very reactionary they've've also been pretty right-wing. This sort of marks a real turn

because in the past, their right-wingness was much more akin to your Douglas Murray's, the central threat of Islamism above everything else. And actually the idea, because I think this was like David Anderson when he was the independent reviewer. And some of his guidance was very much along the lines of a sign of radicalization, sort of like an anti-LGBTQ sentiment. This was back in 2015. So it does now seem to be these very big leaps, sort of be like, well, yeah, also the tea in that group, we're just gonna like move it. We're gonna move it. Oh, like, well, this sort of also represents like within the very mysterious world of like British counter extremism.

And again, like the fact that nobody actually really knows how it works. What it does actually represent is this extension of like an inherent paranoia that has always been built into it, but is now sort of expanding, in part to respond to right wing demands that have always very much been there, but now have a new lease of confidence to say the things that they want to say. Yeah. It's also tying things together, right? Because a lot of these things used to be single issue stuff, and the machinery of counter-extremism wasn't necessarily used to advance transphobia, even though the people doing it might themselves

have been extremely transphobic. Your transphobia came from your single issue like mold-ridden former children's authors or whatever, right? And they had their thing and they were going to pursue that through, you know, through the courts and through the, you know, Department of Health, all of which has happened. But now you're getting this kind of, like, interlocking of these things, right? And I think that's really striking, that you can have this kind of like, and this happens on the international level too, you have the little fascist international,

we all have all of their shared sort of like, bet-noir all being kind of linked together. Can we also put in a fun little like keyboard music jingle that just says legal action avoided over the bit where I call the guy a foreign subversive? Yeah, I like the idea of like a Voice of America program that turns you trans. So do I. They're just playing Sophie or whatever.

I think that'd be nice. Yeah. Hey, I think that's what happened to me in 2015. Does this imply the existence of a USAID program that turns you cis? But also, Tim, you're sort of hearing this from America. I mean, it feels like in the States that things are moving differently, right? Like here, the move seems to be to use existing extremism legislation to crack down on disfavored identity groups as inherently possibly terrorists. Whereas in the States, I mean, it seems to

be that they're sort of targeting sort of migrants first and going after the funding for everybody else. Yeah. One thing that's currently in the budget that's moving through Congress right now is using anti-terror and legislation to attack nonprofits and other organizations that do even nominally left work, which certainly is the thing that we're scared about at my job. I work at a nonprofit. But yeah, I mean, it's kind of a one-size-fits-all, you know, when everything looks like a nail, use your big counterterrorism hanner. And yeah, they're playing it against migrants. That's the entire, like, CICOT El Salvador thing, which is absolutely terrifying. And it's all the way up to, you know, ActBlue,

which is the donation vehicle for Democratic candidates. No, everything. It's one big group, one big umbrella, and it's all terrorism. Yeah, and everyone's reporting to the Ayatollah. Of course, yeah. Well, I mean, he's a riot in the group, chance be clear. He always has the best memes. So I want to do one piece of a little bit more news that's a little bit of dessert, and then we're going to go into talking about Maha and the sort of the healthcare. Um, so we're gonna talk again also about sort of events in the Middle East more

broadly, including Trump's visit to the Gulf States and sort of developments in Israel really soon. But I do, I did just want to note before we move on how he's talking about Jelani because he is channeling, he's, it's like he's hosting the football boys at dinner again. I'm having a great time with this because any time Trump meets anyone, you spin the wheel of fortune for an adjective, and I wasn't expecting the one that he picked for the new leader of Syria to be attractive. Yeah, cause he's tall! Well yeah, sure.

Strong, strong guy, strong past. He was in Al-Qaeda. He was in ISIS. That's a strong past. That is true. I can't argue with him. Can I read this out? Yeah.

Young, attractive guy, tough guy, strong past, very strong past, fighter. Yeah, it's true. He is. He sure was, in the most literal sense. Not in the way that Joe Biden is fighting cancer, but in a much more literal fighting for Al Qaeda type way. Using ISIS style tactics to fight my cat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gorilla warfare. Shooting at my cancer with the gun mounted on the back of a Toyota Hilux.

But I like to imagine this, right? Like trying to imagine being Jelani, right? Which is you've been fighting like a guerrilla war followed by a war of position in the bloodiest, most intractable conflicts of the 21st century. You've been funded by Russians, Saudis, five different US agencies. And you- Yeah, it's like being trans. Yeah. You know that you, and you know that you've won when this New York real estate fop walks

up to you and says, you're very, you have great bone structure. Do you have talent representation? That's how you know you've won! ALICE It's fascinating to me how gay Trump is. I don't think I'm ever going to get over that. RILEY There's the adage about how, oh, if Hitler had gotten into art school he wouldn't have had World War II. If Variety magazine had let Trump be a Broadway reviewer, we would not be where we are today. Yeah, that's true though.

He loves talent spotting, because he keeps doing it. Just like, I think it would be great. Let's do a cover, a Vanity Fair cover, with Jelani, the Generals, the football boys, and that's gonna be, it's gonna break the internet. New serial leader is very hot. Yeah.

Okay, didn't like, didn't like Al Assad, he looked like a puppet. Okay, I'm just putting it out there, he did look like a puppet. Yeah. Okay, didn't like, didn't like Al-Assad. He looked like a muppet. Okay, I'm just putting it out there. He did look like a muppet. Head, head too long, too narrow. Bad bone structure on his side. Jelani, beautifully proportioned. He was, he was an optometrist.

He should have had a look at himself in the mirror, okay? So the other thing I really want to talk about in the Middle East is something I've been sitting on for a little while. Which is? That Donald Wubbles... Excuse me? I beg your pardon? Donald Wubbles.

Donald Wubbles? The inventor of the blanket poncho comfers? Yes. Donald Wubbles, an expert in weather, who is the paid advisor to Neom for its weather and the effect it will have on the weather. Hot again. There you go. That'll be 50 million euros. Cloudy with a chance of drones. It has repeatedly raised the question of how the linear city, ski fields and islands could change

the local environments and weather systems. Das Wetter von Wirbels. You gotta go talk to Donnie Woobz. Das Wetter von Wirbels. You gotta go talk to Donnie Woobz. About the... Yeah, it's a... It was originally Women Boobz, but they changed it to German Ellis Island.

Yeah, so he basically... He keeps on raising these concerns, which, guess what? Don't get listened to by anybody. Well, of course. That the line, if it ever completed, would basically create an area drier than the Atacama desert on its other side.

It's pretty dry already. I mean, I feel like taking a job at Neom and saying that your practical concerns are not being listened to. It's like taking a job making tea at the Fuhrer bunker and describing the atmosphere as unpleasant. That's intense. Yeah. There's so much yelling always at the Fuhrer bunker. I know the Russians are coming, but we're never going to get anywhere by being at each

other's throats. I just really think that the Fuhrer's management style is very oppositional. I think a lot of this is him repressing his personal insecurities about not getting into the art school. So he's basically like, hey, all of the carbon that we're intending to like save by having the city be very green and having it be in a line and you know, all this AI shit, we're going to release like 10 times that by the amount of concrete we need to use to build it and he's not going to listen to wouldn't you believe it?

Of course. But the real joy here is of course, Nadimim Al Nasser has been fired because he didn't make the impossible thing happen. Oh no. Yeah, it was a huge mistake of him in hindsight. If you remember, he fell out of favor when he couldn't even complete the island, which was just a resort on an island. And MBS was like, well, shit, you got to get out of here.

It's very funny that he's managed to actually hire a guy who's genuinely incompetent rather than just for the impossible project. Like, because you could have hired a competent guy and you still would have managed it, but he's actually managed to hire an incompetent guy to do the impossible thing. And also it's all starting to fall apart. Staff have yet to be paid their 2024 bonuses. Yeah, that's right.

Well, I mean, because they've achieved so much. Still though, you'd think working for the Saudis, the one thing they would be flush on would be money. Yeah. Well, increasingly, no. Increasingly, no, they're not. Yeah. And also in one episode described to the Observer, the spoils from two years of excavating the line have been dumped on one of the main places where they were preparing for the next tranche of like glasses guy camps and then they had to re-excavate the whole thing which took about four months.

So it's going amazing. I love to hear that things are going well with our old friends at Neon. Yeah, absolutely. But look, I want to get into our main topic here. Yeah, there's lots more news. There's a lot more news. We're going to cover it next episode. If you think was news that we haven't covered, we're going to cover it next episode. All of it. We're doing horse prices in Tajikistan. Yeah. Well, the thing is we usually do a Tajik horse prices segment that then gets cut out because that's privileged information. Yes, that's right.

It's considered insider trading every time. Yeah, unfortunately, I gool's been having ill health recently, so I haven't been able to get her on for that. So, you know, Gary Lineker being fired from the BBC. The rest is Tajik horse trading. That's the book. Goal hangar. Come on. Hi, Russ. Gary Lineker getting fired from the BBC. The new plan to make prisoners fill in potholes. X.A.I. talking about white genocide. Yes. It's all there. It's all in the backlog.

It's all going to get tied together when all of these things happen at once and I get like tried and convicted for both insider Tajik horse trading and being trans and end up filling potholes in a kind of Andor-Narcina vibe situation. I think the rest is Tadge at Horse Trading could work because it's a podcast that Rory Stewart would plausibly go on. Well, I've had a lot to say about this actually. I want to talk health. What we're going to be talking about for the next half-ish hour is the sort of sweeping

changes being proposed to the American federal health care system and also what RFK Jr. is doing with the Make America Healthy Again movement. But before we do that, I want to allude to something you said earlier, Tim, which is highlighting that the current most likely next prime minister, if polls keep going as they are, is saying he wants to end the funding of the NHS from general taxation. So good. The system that we're talking about today is the one that Nigel Farage and his party, even though they say, oh, we want to keep the NHS free at the point of use, we want to keep the NHS free at the point of use, is going to be going towards. He said specifically, I don't want it funded through general taxation.

It doesn't work. It's not working. I want it free at the point of delivery, but it's not how we get there. The cynicism of it's not working after your ideas are the ones that broke it. Yeah, indeed. Yeah, I want it to be free at the point of delivery, but like, you know, I also don't want it to be paid for by anything else. Right, that would imply that they're shifting to like a premium based model, right?

That's what I would conclude. Which works awful in the US, it's one of the worst things that we have going on. So that's nice to know that you guys are learning from our models. Yeah, absolutely. Getting NHS Plus so I can save on frequent ambulance rights. Getting the club card price. Oh, they fully would just run it through the club card. Like, Tesco would be stupid not to be on that immediately. You should really get the finest hysterectomy is worth it.

So, I think whether or not Faraj and co will be able to make this kind of big step change remains to be seen, right? But like what we're talking about is, you know, basically he's saying we're gonna have to find a new way to ration healthcare because we want to pay a lot less money for it. Which means ultimately we're gonna have to give less health care. I mean, my understanding is the US that's done by just making it exorbitantly expensive on an individual basis. Yeah, I mean, American opponents of things like Medicare for all like to talk about how, oh, you know, if we have a universal health care, we'll have massive wait lines like they have in other countries. But we do have massive wait lines. We just, our health care is rationed

by your ability to pay instead of your need. So we've got a bunch of people who are just not getting healthcare, but I mean, they're de facto waiting in line forever. They're just not getting the care that they need at all. So when you bring that into account, America does have pretty tremendous weight lines for a lot of procedures across the US. We just don't count it because the people aren't getting care whatsoever. Yeah. But yeah, we ration by ability to pay, which leads to a bunch of pretty strange outcomes,

both in how health care is provided and delivered and built across the country. Yeah, and I mean, I think it's not a coincidence that with health care rationed this much. I mean, because this is happening in the UK, too. I have some examples of like, we rationed by massively underfunding the system and then making people wait a long

time for stuff. They do get it eventually, often, not always, but that's just how we ration. It's the same way we ration train journeys by making them incredibly expensive. We ration train journeys the same way Americans ration healthcare. Well, in a sort of musical chairs type way with the train journeys. I actually think that the reason that a lot of the RFK Jr. Make America Healthy Again stuff gets so much traction is that if you want to justify rationing health care that much, then a strong belief that, quote, nature should be able to take its course is one that completely supports that idea.

Right. Like we don't want to interfere in nature. We don't want to give people vaccines. We want to swim in a river that is teeming with human shit, which RFK Jr. did do last week, I believe. Yeah, it's all biopolitics, right? Like, the thing that we, you know, sort of like, use our state capacity to do is impose a kind of false idea of the biological and the immutable, right? You have cancer, it's tough luck, you know, the cancer's just gonna keep doing what it's doing. You wanna change your gender, tough luck, you're stuck with the one that we've assigned you at birth. Like, it's out of, as you say, this idea of kind of, uh, nature, right?

Sure. So you got a couple of things. One of which is that I think it's really easy for people in like, healthcare communications and scientific communications in the US to kinda dismiss this thing as like, oh, if we give them more facts, you know, they'll learn the truth. But conspiracy theories don't suffer from a lack of facts. They just have too many facts with like an insane arrangement thereof. And at its core, the entire Maha movement offers like meaning making or whatever for individuals who, I mean, frankly, accurately assess that their health is shaped by large outside forces kind of beyond their control or whatever, right?

Your ability to receive health care, your current health care conditions are all shaped by political and structural forces. And we don't want to acknowledge those because changing the way that health care is apportioned, changing the political decisions that decide who gets health care and who doesn't threatens people who make a lot of money off the current arrangement. So instead, maha kind of deflects that gaze and draws it towards the internal, the controllable, right? The idea that you actually can control all these things that determine your health.

There is no external structure, there is no society, so to speak, through which your health is apportioned. And this anxiety of being overly indexed on the controllable can only be staved off through like rituals, right? Wellness, MLMs, you know, fads, selling herbal life at pop-up stores in the mall, and like the entire idea of doing your own research, right? It's fleeing from the interests and the forces which shape your life, making it an entirely reflexive, like self-guided journey, which just happens to align with the interests of the people

who are compelling the powerlessness in the first place. There's a whole lot going on and it's, I mean, you can't fault somebody for looking at the way healthcare is arranged in America, looking at the fact that we have massive diabetes rates because our food is unhealthy, and saying that they're wacko conspiracy theorists. Like they are in a lot of ways. It's just like their conclusions are not so. But the input facts in a lot of senses are right.

They just get twisted into some weird ass spirituality thing where all of a sudden you're doing ear candling and swimming in sewage. Yeah. I mean, one of the perfect examples of this is that RFK Jr. is moving to ban certain kinds of food dye, which have been shown to have connections to bad health outcomes.

And it's like, yeah, these things in the food system, especially in the US, and hey, over here, now that Starmer's made his amazing trade deal, things in the US, the food system is, by and large, trying to system is by and large trying to kill you. It's trying to kill you by getting you like maximizing things like shelf stability, visual appeal, the addiction of like, you know, hyper sweet treats, all this stuff. Like it's why you have picky eating even. Right. It's like, yeah, these, the health system is trying to kill you. It is basically poisonous, but it's such a tell.

RFK Jr.'s like view, like plan for this is doing things like banning food dye. But he's looking at what he's not doing. He's not like taking on factory farming practices. He's not like trying to, you know, he's not trying to change the conditions in like chicken farms that cause them to need to be like chlorine washed before they can be sold. You know, he's massively reducing things like testing for contaminants, eliminating the FDA.

He's saying like, oh, we're going to change it so that these things that aren't virtuous, because you think, oh, picking a food because it looks looks appealing is that's that's not virtuous. We're going to make everybody more personally virtuous. And then they're going to be more personally healthy. It's why it sort of fits to me as well with raw milk. It's like, oh, this is social complexity. Social complexity produced the need to have food dyes. Social complexity produced the need

to pasteurize milk. And they're right, right? Some of this social complexity is also against their best interests. It's all some of the social complexity is trying to kill them with bad food. There's a there's a second component here. Like the red dye food thing. That's like red meat. Totally. I get it. I mean, so to speak. And it is a way of pointing at in isolation, a relatively small feature of our food system and saying, look at this awful thing, they're trying to poison you, which then of course leads, but like the problem is that you won't like food. The physical positioning of food, access to food, affordability of food is like a

political decision is decided by policy, or whether you delegate it to the markets who seek profit or whether you create access to food in places they don't have it and so that question is totally ignored totally shelved by focusing on like the specific output of individual food products you know it's very easy in I mean it's it's mostly racist in America to say oh no if you just eat Doritos and Donets, you deserve to have diabetes or whatever, right? Because diabetes and Donets trend up, you have higher rates of diabetes and lower income populations, largely people of color.

And so there's a very easy way to say, oh, you know, look at these people who are doing this to themselves. But that ignores the question of why are Donets and Doritos the only food options available in huge swaths of the country? And so RFK, you know, like this distracts from that. This completely ignores it. This says that there is no political force which shapes health care.

That is not even a question worth considering. It is all comes down to... It is like the deconstruction of society. It says that there is nothing bigger than you which makes these things possible or impossible. It is solely a function of your individual choices and your interactions with these quasi-conspirational companies. And they've picked up on that part, which is correct. But they're ignoring this whole structural question in the first place, and the fact that this is

like a two-way relationship. Politics doesn't just happen to you. You can engage in politics. And that opportunity is completely foreclosed by initiatives like over-indexing on food debt. Can I be if I'm wrong here, but I'm kind of fascinated by by RFK because I feel like he's kind of a patsy. Like he like believes a bunch of insane essentially like crusty crystal mum shit about like health and food and stuff and it's now and he's been like sort of co-opted into this kind of like broader

right-wing project. Like this guy should be like living in Stokes Croft and like sitting in a big dream catcher and like insisting that you know that microwaves give you cancer or whatever. He shouldn't be in the US government. Well no. I mean his running mate, I forget her name, she was relatively normal you know even eight years ago. I have an acquaintance that met her at a sex party and there was a whole thing going on. She was married to Sergey Brin at the time, and she was like normal at the time, you know, she had just had a kid, the kid ended up developing autism, that's kind of where the entire thing spun off, but like, this is a thing which

you can develop even if you're, you know, relatively well-educated and relatively even keeled, like, it's very alluring. You mentioned autism by the way, I think this is another reason why like, this is so attractive, so many, you disillusioned, often middle class people. Yeah, I mean, obviously that's true, but it's also like, it's the same thing as a lot of the trans stuff, where it's like, people of an older generation being like, why can't I feel, why can't I connect with my kids, right? Why are my kids sort of like, weird

and distant from my perspective, right? And these are both ways in which, you know, there are things that people may not understand necessarily. And you go looking and you think, is this due to the sort of the unusually red meat or whatever? Yeah, well, because it's a way to say to like, again, often middle class, often white people, the helplessness that you may feel, worrying if you're going to have a child who has a developmental condition, or the helplessness you may feel that some foodborne illness may come and strike you down, it's a story that says you are not helpless, you are powerful, you need to do the research, you as an individual are bigger than all of

this, and any social solution to all of this is actually against you, and trying to make you less healthy. That's kind of, that's a pitch as old as time, right? It's the same thing quacks have always been doing for people who are vulnerable because of illness themselves personally, is to be like, well, I'm not gonna die of cancer because I drink my green juices or whatever, right? A lot of this was totally exacerbated by the American response to COVID, which was largely, not entirely, but like, largely just total abandonment of the idea that the government

has a function to create public health in general, whatever, right? Like, there are things that are relatively simple that the state could have done to make fewer people die, right? Like mandating air conditioning or air filtration on the job, providing sick leave or worker or workers comp. They didn't do any of these things. You know, America threw up its hands under Biden and said, nah, that's not really our problem. We're not going to fuck with that. Like good luck out there. Hope the planes fly. And I, I can't fault anybody for looking at, you know, a million people dying and the government doing very little to prevent it other than rushing out vaccines and saying, shit. We kind of are alone like these things I think feed into each other, right?

There is like a ton of like not to get too loopy about it There's like a ton of fucking psychic damage that people all over the all over the world I only know about America endure during that response and I can't help but have seen that the entire maja thing really Catalyzed and skyrocketed in 2021. Oh yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it's also, you know, I'll get to a little bit of how it's coming here in a moment, but I wanted to sort of talk about autism as well, because this is a kind of bet noir of the whole movement.

I mean, in as much as it has its roots in vaccine skepticism and a lot of discredited vaccine research was then sort of falsely linking vaccines to autism. This is something that really strikes me as well is that like, if you're on the sort of falsely linking vaccines to autism. This is something that really strikes me as well, is that like, if you're on the sort of forces of science and sort of like empirical reason, even when you win you still kind of lose on a long enough time scale. Like it's this constant thing where you go, well, Andrew Wakefield, widely discredited, we can wash our hands of this, and, you know, fucking 20 years later, he's back. A lot of these people are really terrified of getting autism for people who are incredibly

fixated on one special interest that they research exhaustively to the point where it absorbs their entire life. So this is, again, because it's also the Trump government, what happens is you never know what's going to happen because someone says one thing and they contradict it two days later. But you know, this is, Kennedy says, you know, we're going to look at, try to look at the causes of autism. We're going to try to identify everybody in the country who has autism. It doesn't say how they're going to do it, of course, but and then they're going to go on steam and see who has an account. What you do is you take the attendance list from all of the World Azure Problem live shows. We've gone on to the Jashucha Patreon. We've got a

full list. Yeah, about half of them are American. I know they're from all over the place, but half of them, they're listeners, they're American. They say, we're gonna look at vaccines, we're gonna look at everything. Everything's on the table. The food system, the water, the air, different ways of parenting, all the kind of changes that may have triggered this epidemic. Or again, it's like, could it be just that there is... Like, it's more recognizable that you have a language to describe it. I mean, it's also like, if you think of autism as like a spectrum, if you will, of like different

levels of sort of like symptoms and impairment and stuff like that, it's also really striking that with these guys, it tends to separate into one of two things. Thing number one, my kid doesn't like me and plays a lot of video games. And then thing number two is some like life unworthy of life genocidal Nazi shit. And both of those are reasons for them to kind of go in and try and figure out exactly why this is happening and exactly what Iranian agent is dumping big barrels of autism chemical into the nearest reservoir. Well, because there are two guns. There's the prostate cancer gun and there's the autism

gun. And they were actually trying to hit Biden with the autism gun, but they used the wrong one. It's funny that I feel like the right-wing position on autism is bifurcated, where the left wing position on autism, if you like, is the left-handedness graph. It becomes socially acceptable to diagnose people with autism, so miraculously, whatever percentage of people have autism now have it officially. But then you've got the right in this country, which is like, no one had autism in my day. Your granddad just had a puzzle room and he went nonverbal sometimes at Christmas. He was just respecting the troops. He was doing a minute silence on his own. But then there's this

new kind of thing where these guys think that all of the new people who have autism do have autism really, but also that no one had it before. And this is like a new, like they've all caught it from somewhere, like a miasma, which is a fascinating worldview. Oh, there's also a whole thing here where like autism is of course a spectrum. And some people, like everybody,

it shapes a lot of people's lives. Some people have autism, which makes it kind of hard to carry on conversations or they have special interests. And some people are like, are nonverbal and can't go to the bathroom by themselves Yeah and the like smooshing together of these two things into a single diagnosis and then naturally seeing that diagnosis increases Diagnostic capabilities improve like there's a lot of kind of like sleight of hand going on here And it's all kind of rooted in this like not even quasi eugenic

Language and it's gonna fuck over a lot of people like Like this entire, like, whole, like, we're gonna make an autism data platform or whatever. It is very funny, I think, to me, that, like, this whole do-your-own-research thing and, like, the death of society is now a vehicle by which, like, social infrastructure is replaced with mass technological surveillance. I think that's pretty funny. That's cool that we have, uh, we figured that out. But also, having worked with healthcare data from the government. This is not possible. You can't do any of this shit with the data that they're offering.

But still putting together this data platform, which universities will do because they have no more grant money anymore because all the grants have been canceled. So here's a way you can get government money to stay afloat. Does create like mass surveillance, health care technology, in theory, if it were to be built on like any we've had before, which I don't like RFK having access to. No, because what I always go back to, and I hate that I'm saying this more often recently, which is that if you are part of a data set, the more people are on that data set, and the more columns that data set has, the more power the person who owns the data set has over you, because they will understand

more things about you that you might not understand about yourself, and will be able to make changes that affect your life in ways that you can't predict, but they can. Right? It's an enormous force multiplier. You purchase Fallout New Vogue on the Steam store, all of a sudden there's an unmarked van parked outside your house for like the last three days. Yeah, the autism detector van just sort of spinning a radar dish. I was doing a trans detector van, but it's kind of the same van in a lot of cases. The autism licensing authority knock at your door, do not answer.

They found it was actually easier to have one autism guy and one sort of trans detector in the van at the same time. They do not all the time, but they frequently work together. So sort of like Magnetic North and True North, you know? If like the timer on your Xbox says Minecraft and played for more than five hours at once, like a radar pulse is sent out of like your direct TV dish and like eight guys to send up on your house. Yeah, but that's that's the thing, right?

We've all over the US government, if you're interested in the plumbing of how the technology behind these things works, at least in theory, then you can see all of these data sets getting joined up constantly, usually with Palantir, to carry out some form of social cleansing. Palantir execs trying to work out who's autistic. Physician heal thyself. I have one Palantir anecdote that really fucks me up. Which is that a friend of mine was a prison lawyer, and was suing a lot of people, suing

a lot of prisons and like appeals courts on behalf of prisoners who were representing themselves. And it came out in like the process of one of the trials that Palantir buys Domino Pizza tracker data. Which to me was absolutely dystopian that when I buy my, I don't want to say how often, but when I buy my pineapple jalapeno pizza, that little incident is getting logged in some Palantir database somewhere. That's stuck to learn about. Americans are spending too long on prep. I also have a piece of Palantir trivia which I heard from a highly

placed source which is that Parmalucky, Parmalucky of Palantir trivia, which I heard from a highly placed source, which is that Palmer Lucky, Palmer Lucky is Palantir, right? He used to be. He used to be Palantir. Okay, yeah. Well, I can still tell the Palmer Lucky story. Palmer Lucky does not do laundry. Right.

He barely washes. And so he wears the same pair of like horrible shorts and the same Hawaiian shirt until he smells bad enough to him, which is a significantly higher threshold than to anyone else, and then he just buys new clothes, like all new clothes. This is a thing about him that I have heard and believe. Wow. So, you're just, again, physician heal thyself. That might be the worst thing about him, actually.

In quite a crowded field, I think, yeah. So, just the guy who is currently harvesting your Domino's pizza order to try and work out whether you got the pineapples Because you're autistic that guy is wearing like a like a four month old shirt that he bought fresh Why are you not showering? Are you like seven? Like what like he does have a kind of like overgrown toddler deal going on, you know Yeah, I should note that the pizza tracker data, they're not storing your pizza, they're storing your location. So if you are an undocumented person

and you order pizza from Domino's, in theory now they know what address you're at so they can send ICE there or ICE can arrive there. Like it's real fucking dark. You can't trust anybody, including your Domino's driver. So this is what we're talking about, about like the kind of taking these, they get very like often promulgated by TikTok influencers, for example.

Like TikTok influencers are huge with this. Views of like things that cause autism, they sort of social determinants of health being like, oh, I don't need to pasteurize my milk. I know the cow. Right. This is this is no, this is genuinely the cow. The cow would not do me like that. We are buddies. Yeah. This is genuinely I can't remember who this was who this was, but someone at the Department of Health said, talking about raw milk, was like, no, you should have the freedom to go if you have a personal

relationship with the dairy farmer, if you assess the cow yourself. It's all Protestantism in the end, isn't it? If you have a personal relationship with God and the dairy farmer, and you have a personal relationship with God and the dairy farmer and you have a personal relationship with God and the cow, then you, through your only faith, should be able to be providentially granted health because you looked that cow in the eye and it seemed healthy to you and you don't want anyone making your choice for you. I asked for the pasteurized milk and the dairy farmer gives me the look of disgust that a Russian taxi driver gives you when you put your seatbelt on. And again, this is also in the UK, right? This is, um,

I'm quoting from a recent telegraph article here. Raw milk is so good for us. And when you think about it, big companies might not want us to be at their healthiest. Might not want us to be at our healthiest because they profit from our poor health. Adds Lola 21, a recent UCL graduate and weekly regular at the raw milk shop in Borough Market. That said, the main reason I continue to drink milk after raw milk after trying it is because it makes me feel so alive. Yeah, with E. coli. Teaming with life, are you?

Yeah. But ultimately, this is where I want to sort of move into the Medicaid work requirements thing for the last sort of bits of the show is all of if you're going to take something away And I think this is a big reason that you know a lot of these beliefs the article I'm reading from these raw milk People this is in Britain, right? If you're going to remove the ability for people to have like good health care determined socially They're still going to want to take care of themselves, but they're going to do stuff like drink raw milk. This is what I mean, RFK is spiritually

British. Like he would fit right in in like Bristol, Brighton, like any of these places. Like this guy should be wearing a caftan. He should be like buying like weird supplements. So I want to go back to Tim, right, which is how these things have moved in where like the government has failed to provide health care and the plan seems to be for the government to provide even less in the future, largely like dismantling what's left of Medicaid by imposing universal work requirements on it. Yeah, so we can step into that. It's like the first, I mean, this is always what it comes down to, but Medicaid, cuts to Medicaid, they just wrote down 715 billion dollars cuts to

Medicaid over the next 10 years plus another I want to say 200 billion cuts to the ACA that is all in service of a wealth transfer like that's ultimately what it comes down to right um it is a transfer of wealth from low-income people who now will receive an average of 1200 dollars less in benefits um to the top you know 20 percent who now receive an extra six thousand dollars in tax rebates that's like that's that's what this is all in service of. It's always what it has been in service of. But Medicaid, which in America is the program for low income people and people with disabilities,

was expanded under the Affordable Care Act in 2011 to cover anybody under 138% of the federal poverty line. It used to be that states could set their own requirements like you needed to be disabled or pregnant or blind or whatever. Under Obama, they expanded it to this completely insanely arbitrary threshold of it's like universal. Anybody under this line can get Medicaid, which honestly is a pretty radical transformation of like, what is the idea of the state? Well, that's beyond it. It's still like a very stupid like mechanisms. The best part of the Affordable

Care Act, it's the part that worked the best and also increased costs because they're covering a lot more people. And Republicans hate this. Republicans hate the idea that anybody quote-unquote undeserving is receiving any kind of benefit. That's like the red meat they threw around to everybody. And despite the fact that like literally three-quarters of Americans like Medicaid, including two-thirds of conservatives, this notion that like some people are getting away with it and getting healthcare they don't deserve is the thing they hold up as like a kind of like smoke bomb to distract people from the own suffering that's being thrust upon them.

So one of the major cuts that creates the $715 billion package is the introduction of mandatory work requirements for all Medicaid recipients who are in that expansion population, which means that you gotta report at least 80 hours a month of work, full-time school, or quote-unquote community engagement. Which means that you have to fill out a fucking form every month to report that. And there's a bunch of shit wrong with that. One, states don't create the infrastructure we've seen to make that reporting easy or simple. The guy in Georgia who was the face of Georgia's work

requirements program was kicked off his own insurance twice because they kept fucking changing the forms on him. And he had to like call the government to get it fixed because he was like the poster child. But two, it creates a massive administrative burden. You know, it's a penalty for losing your job. If you're trying to figure out how to pay rent,

filling out another, you know, five pages or whatever on the internet, assuming you have access to the internet is a pretty meaningful burden. And we know that during Medicaid unwinding, which is when folks lost Medicaid after de-eligibility was frozen during COVID, 70% of people who lost Medicaid in the past four years lost Medicaid for like paperwork or administrative reasons. So even though, you know, quote unquote, only 3% of Medicaid recipients aren't working, usually this means that they have like an undiagnosed disability or a non-qualifying disability

or they're just going through shit. You churn millions, I think it's an average estimated 13.7 million people will lose insurance under this cut. I think of whom 9 million lose it under Medicaid requirements. It is like a massive and debilitating blow to American public health and to Medicaid as like social infrastructure. I mean, this is like we've been talking, we've been talking about very similar changes. And I think it's worth bringing these up in the same breath as the imposition of work

requirements on Medicaid and the creation of enormous administrative barriers to people actually claiming the benefits to which they may be entitled. It's like it's happening absolutely in the UK. It's just directed via disability benefits. It was cuts and cuts and cuts to disability benefits, create expanding work requirements, expanding the requirement to document if you can't work, tightening up the definition of what it means to not be able to work. Again, this is where the state looks to close the fiscal gap that it perceives itself to have. Yes, and I mean, disability eligibility is already a big fucking nightmare in the US too.

I got a buddy who's got muscular dystrophy, you know, which his body's allergic to itself. He weighs 90 pounds, he uses a wheelchair, he can't move his hands, like he's very obviously very visibly disabled. And every single month he has to fill out a form so a nurse can come to his house and like look at him and say yep still disabled So that he qualifies to receive home health care You already have to jump through a bunch of fucking hoops to qualify for disability in the first place only one third of people With disabilities on medicaid like receive disability benefits specifically. It's a fucking insane process Which exists because people disabilities are a lot more expensive to take care of. So the more roadblocks you put in place to get them qualified as a person with disability,

the less you got to pay out in disability benefits and disability health care. Again, it's transfer of wealth. It's a transfer of wealth. And again, it's like if you wanted, I think it's so easy to see how these two things clip together, right? Which is if you want to totally shift the burden of healthcare onto the individual and if you want to say like, well, oh, you have muscular dystrophy. Ah, actually that's food dye, right? You deserve it because you

had the wrong food dyes or you weren't parented properly or, you know, oh, you were on antidepressants or, oh, you breathed in fumes from like you paint that you used in your house Your milk wasn't raw enough. Yeah, your milk was pasteurized. You weren't being given energy by your your milk It's a way of saying it's all of this is saying the same thing Which is if you're not rich enough to take to have other people take care of you or you're not Genetically lucky enough to not need to be taken care of for a while. Fuck you basically There's a there's another Medicaid cut which hasn't gotten any press, which I think is like even more chilling, which is that... So Medicaid is administered by states, so Medicaid programs

can look very different from state to state. And the Medicaid cuts call for any state which expands its own Medicaid program with its own money to undocumented people to lose 10% of their federal funding, which is billions and billions and billions of dollars, right? In my small, pretty dinky state of 5 million people, we've received $6.6 billion from the government every year for Medicaid. So if we were covering undocumented people, you know, that would go down to under $5 million. It's a huge, huge cut. And it's explicitly to target states. It's part of like this multi-front, broad coalition of attacks on undocumented people and now the people that assist them. That one really gets to me and that's going

to pass with flying colors. There's been no organized opposition to it. It also means that anyone working in Medicaid then you're becoming a border guard. Again, if you want to compare to the UK, it's that if you're banks, landlords, energy companies, everybody's now a border guard. Again, if you want to compare to the UK, it's that if you're banks, landlords, energy companies, everybody's now a border guard in addition to all of those jobs. It's tightening that noose of enforcement. That's how tough the economy is. Even landlords are going to get second jobs as border guards. It forces states to decide between will we care for undocumented people or will we care for people with disabilities? It's like pitting these two groups directly against each other in state politics, which

is so fucked up. Oh, and it's going to totally exacerbate xenophobia because now we've got to have this debate at the state level, which is going to lead to more like fucking deportations to CICOT. It's a really bad policy that hasn't gotten really any airtime. Yeah. I mean, when I look at the way that both the UK and US are transforming health care and the way that the UK seems to want to, especially with what West Streeting is going to do as health secretary, what Nigel Farage is likely to do as prime minister,

in addition to attacking specific types of care, specifically like anything gender affirming is just totally under attack by everybody everybody and it has been for a while There's also like the the broader front against all types of health care Being received by you know, anybody, you know who isn't you're paying for it privately or whatever You know, you see both of these things going the same direction They may be taking some different roads there, but they are, they absolutely share the same commitments. I mean, I'm being explicit about this. The Starmor government shares roughly the same commitments as the Trump government.

In regards to healthcare, there's not that much between them. This is not news. I've been driving a pint of raw milk while I watched the Arsenal. Starmor calling Jelani a very attractive guy. He's a very sexy man. He's fit. Now I'm no homosexual. I would say he's quite a strapping young lad. I'd like to watch a game of the footy with him with a pint of raw milk, which is halal, and sit behind our big dream catcher here. Yeah. You can see the same kinds of things being done by people who

believe the same thing in service of the same goal and whether that's gleefully like the Trump administration saying we are so proud of what we're doing or whether that's sort of, you know, saying, oh, we're making the hard decisions like the Starmor administration is doing. It's the same thing being done to this largely the same people just by different roads. Mm. Essentially. Great. Yeah. Awesome. Well, it's been another upbeat episode of Trash Youth, should I tell you? Don't worry. We're going to be talking about the antitrust cases against Meta and Facebook. I did sort of want to add, and I know

that's sort of been implied, but one of the things that is sort of worth noticing is that whatever the reformations to the NHS are and inspired by the things that are happening in the US, absolutely the sort of like manufactured immigration US, absolutely, the sort of manufactured immigration quote unquote debate will definitely contribute to it in the sense that you think about US healthcare as being a way of filtering out people who can afford healthcare and who can't. The idea of how a universal system like the NHS, of which much of the right wing

are very annoyed about, oh, they also take care of immigrants as well and that's really bad and we should end that. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if, like, advancing anti-immigration arguments across, like, multiple political parties will sort of be in serve or at least kind of, like, will be used to facilitate this kind of massive transfer of the NHS and the argument, the sort of being like, this is the only way to sort of, like, get the quote unquote numbers down. And it's worth like bearing that in mind that this isn't just about like, it's not to say that any of it was small, but it's more just like the ways in which like other kind of manufactured debates are being weaponized in order to sort of achieve this one goal and the ways in which that can very easily be packaged and sold. Yeah, cheerful. Anyway, anyway, look, I think it's time to bring

this one to a close, but Tim, thank you very much for coming and talking to us today. Yeah, thank you. I'm always a pretty cheerful guy when talking about healthcare, so it was really fun to talk about all the cool things that are going on right now. Yeah, all of the exciting new innovations that are being fostered by America's dynamic private healthcare market. New developments. Yeah.

Calling him the second most depressing Faust. So where can people find your writing? Sure. So I'm on Twitter still. I don't have any good user names. I kind of just pick dumb ones. But I'm at Krulge, C-R-U-L-G-E. On Blue Sky, I'm krulge.earnall.club.

And then my newsletter is buttondown.com slash error. My personal brand is a mess. But I write infrequently about health care policy in the US. I do a lot of health care writing and organizing for my day job. But I am going to put something out about these Medicaid cuts in a broader context, I think, this week or next when I get time.

But yeah, also, if I can, if you're interested in reading really good analysis of the entire Maha thing within a sociopolitical lens or whatever, there's this writer, Abby Abby Cardas whose work I absolutely love and she's also a friend of mine who has a button down as well who has I think done the best writing on maha of anybody that I've read. So if you want to learn more about that and like kind of the medical philosophical underpinnings of it I recommend that. Well perfect. Yeah. Anyway, live shows. Yes. The 21nings of it. I recommend that. Well, perfect. Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm expanding. I'm so Irish Republican that I'm expanding Ireland East. Yes, that's right. Anyway. 72 County Ireland. Let's go. All of that being said then, I think we will remind you there is a Patreon. There's a $5, four pound 50 now. It's the same thing. Yeah, it will cost you $5 if you're American. There is a premium episode that will come out later

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