TRASHFUTURE - Posting Through Atrocity feat. Aron Keller

Episode Date: May 18, 2021

This week we're joined by Aron Keller (@aronkeller) of the anti-occupation advocacy group Na'amod to discuss the recent events in Gaza and the communications strategies (particularly the deranged ones) of the Israeli government. We also discuss Dave Cameron's released Greensill texts and assess why he's basically one of those retired Italian construction workers who hangs out at building sites giving unsolicited advice. Please consider donating to charities helping Palestinian people here: https://www.islamic-relief.org.uk/palestine-emergency-appeal/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3oja5NbR8AIVSOmyCh2LdQ9rEAAYAiAAEgKM9PD_BwE and here: https://www.grassrootsalquds.net/ Join and support Na'amod here: https://naamod.org.uk/ *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s live stand-up show (to be streamed over Zoom!) on May 30th here: gignify.co/miloedwardspindos If you want access to our Patreon bonus episodes, early releases of free episodes, and powerful Discord server, sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/trashfuture *WEB DESIGN ALERT* Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/ Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and Alice (@AliceAvizandum)

Hello, welcome back to this episode of TF, it's the free one. The free one. That's right, we are still doing the voice. You are listening to the free one. The fans love the voice. I hate it. We got someone with Nate and I were packing shirts at 1.30 in the morning. I stay in someone from Australia.

That's what we're calling it now. Headlet, that's right. Yeah, in each other's ass. And then someone on their wicks note had left, I'm just here for Riley and the free one. And so we put a little note in their shirt that said, it's the free one. Yeah, but you still charged them for the shirt. Yeah, that's right. It wasn't free.

It's the one you paid for. It's the paid one. Oh, that's like the, hey, none of that on this one. They didn't pay for it. They didn't pay for it. No, none of that. Come on. If you want to share all the bonus voice, pay for it.

That's right. We will sell it. It's like, you know, on eBay, they used to do those things, they'd sell like an Xbox box for like $300. Yeah. Yeah. You'll get the free one and the free ones to note that says the free one. I asked for a free shirt from TrashYut shirt and they mailed me a box of dirt with the

word Porto written on it. That's right. That is right. We are going to be talking first about a new, you know what I love talking about on this show? Yeah. The released, no, the released texts of weirdos and politics. We have Derek McCoy text.

That was a great TF segment. Yeah. Absolutely. I have a lot of fun. Hi. Hi. Do you like rugby? Hi.

So now I have some more texts here from that are basically like that. It's like, hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. I told you last week. Yes.

So I have a selection, let's just say, of texts that have been released. A delectable selection of smorgasbord of texts. So to Tom Scholar, Treasury Permanent Secretary, 6th of March, David Cameron texts. What's up, Pussycunt? I'm writing to the rescue with supply chain finance and my friend Lex Greensill, my new job. See where she's for an elbow bump or a foot tap love DC. Excuse me.

Elbow bump or a foot tap. Remember when people were doing those instead of just not doing anything? Yeah. What a 12 hours it was. Yeah. I love this. I'm going to rescue with supply chain finance and my friend Lex Greensill, my new job. It's such a like a play school, play set of a job site that was just like, I'm going

to work. His wife's putting on his clip on a Flintstone phone, but it's all pictures of guys in suits that you can call. Are you interested in my work at the business factory? Yeah. Yeah. To Tom Scholar, Permanent Treasury Secretary, 3rd of April, Tom Scholar as a head of a name. Again, Greensill have got to know I'm genuinely baffled.

Tom, I have five minutes for a call. This is long time. Dear Tom, I wrote you, but you still ain't calling. I wrote the addresses on them. Perfect. I'm now calling the chancellor. Go everyone. Best wishes DC.

Uh-huh. Two. Sheridan Westlake, number 10 advisor, 3rd of April. Hope you're still thriving in the heart of the machine. So David Cameron approximating. In the heart of the machine. It's David Cameron approximating how he thinks a normal person talks about the office. David Cameron believes that the government is the adeptus mechanicus.

Yeah. I also love that he signs all of his texts DC, like he's your dad. Hope you're still serving the machine God DC. Yeah. The void dragon that lives at the heart of Britain. Hope you're still thriving at the heart of the machine. Could I trouble you for a quick word to Michael Gove, Cabinet Office Minister, 3rd of April. On the same day.

This sounds like stuff that you would like strangers would send you on LinkedIn. Here's another one. Speaking of strangers to Michael go for being a cool guy to Michael Gove, Cabinet Office Minister, 3rd of April. I know you're manically busy and doing a great job by the way. This is bloody hard. Ricking. Swole my dude.

Bloody hard. And I think the team is coping extremely well. But do you have a moment for the, for a word on this number and very free all good wishes DC. Oh yes. All of these were the 3rd of April. He's doing these on the same day. The texts.

So like those two texts that you just read back to back were sent two minutes apart. He's just going through the contact list just like, hey, hey, hi, hi, do you like supply chain finance? Hi. Can I have some money? You up. Yeah. To Rishi Sudak 18th of May.

Thanks for the call today. I've sent one last WhatsApp with a solution that backs only UK firms. Let's have a look and ask officials to do the same. My apologies for troubling you again. We should have got to this answer faster. All good wishes DC. David Cameron tries to message, hey, to Michael Gove, Tom Scholar, Rishi Sudak and Nadine Zidale at the same time, accidentally creates a group chat and is just like, oh, I didn't

know this would go to the same. I'm sorry. Hi Laz. Yeah. I'm just trying to organize FIFA for the summer. Everyone's free. David Cameron basically just like being one of those like copy-paste dating app guys who is just like, hey, I, there's like some copy pasting, some story about him or whatever.

You're like open to the joke. Yeah. Yeah. And then it's like, and how are you doing it? Then forgets to sub in job and it's just like a drop asset to Nadine Zoui, Vaccines Minister 14th of June. Hi there. Well done.

Keep it going in the midst of all this. I'm really solid in the media to John Glenn, Treasury Minister, 26th of June. Well, the guy from space. Same guy. Recently returned from the moon. Yes. I just turned my phone back on after going to the moon and I've got all these texts from David Cameron.

Yeah. Thanks for all your help with this. Sorry, the answer is a no, but we appreciate the engagement. All good wishes DC. We appreciate the engagement. Thanks for thinking of us. Like and subscribe. Yeah.

This is my favorite one. This is my favorite one. David Cameron to Tom Scholar on the 20th of April. One last point that I promise I'll stop annoying you. Yes. Yes. I'm not a sim. Hi.

Hi. Hi. Greensill do early payment in the NHS. All your pharmacies are paid immediately rather than waiting for the cash to the NHS to cough up. That is cash. C A S H effectively very cheap credit. Wait, did he actually say cash and then C A S H cash in all caps?

Oh, I thought he said cash and then separate word then cash with full stop. That would have been cool. Yeah. Links Tom Scholar to the YouTube video for cream. Yeah. He's just doing like fucking like MLM shit. He's like, listen, Tom, if you've got a minute, I have got a scheme that could make you a lot of money.

That is hash, my friend. That is precisely what he is. Allow me to say, first of all, just straight off the bat. This is not a pyramid scheme. Yeah. This is money. Let me just get that out of the way. M O N E.

M O N E. Yeah. M O M Y. Money. That's right. That is cash all caps into businesses now capital now, rather than waiting ages for action by banks. You control the bank.

You control the money factory. You don't need to wait for God damn it. Yeah. Honestly, if you guys don't take this, North Havorbrook are going to have it. This is the most Mark as red ass text. Yeah. I love this. Rishi, David Cameron here.

Can I have a quick word at some point? This is also what April 20th. He basically has his like what time to go into my texting shed and and harass everyone in government. Rishi, David Cameron here. Can I have a quick word at some point? Call anytime on this number. Treasury are refusing to extend CCFF to include supply chain finance.

Wait, wait, isn't CCF CCF? I'm trying to fucking eat and rifles being supply chain finance now. Green Steel Capital, a British fintech success story. Who I help are the champions of my help. He is and plus me, you know, you know what's going on here. Right. David Cameron is the governmental Oomarell. You know, those guys in Northern Italy, like once they're retired, they like stand on the

outside of a construction site with their hands behind their back watching and going, I could do that. You've done that wrong because they can't give it up because they refuse to like admit that they're they're out. Right. That's what he's doing. Yeah. He can't he can't stop, but it's clear that I mean, I just love how much obviously everybody

just hates him. This is kind of depressing. This is like David Cameron, like three years after graduation, going to like a freshest night club night. Or even worse, like when you're in your late 20s and you go back to your secondary school just to look around. Oh, God damn, almost makes you feel sorry for him. Here's another couple of funny ones.

April 20th, sent on 354 from David Cameron to Jesse Norman. Jesse, David Cameron here, David A Cameron here, David A. David, the camera, David, David, the camera. Just in case you get confused with the other ones, David, you crave, David, the camera. Yeah. Have you got a moment for a quick word? This is a problem for SMEs. You can help solve.

Thanks. This is DC. April 20th, 356 p.m. David Cameron, text Sheridan Westlake, Sheridan, DC here. Could you give me a quick call? There's a looming problem you can help solve. Just knocking at every fucking door. Two minutes apart. Yeah.

Sheridan, DC here. You have a parcel for which there's a two pound 30 postage charge if you just click through to this link. Sorry. You were out. Yeah. And you know how many texts there are? I've just read some of these texts.

You know how many there are total? How many? Like those 78. The most recent text that I got on this phone was, hello, Ms. Alice Caldwell Kelly. We're here to help you with your overdue gas and electricity bills. And I want to read the rest of that more keenly than any of these people have wanted to read one of David Cameron's texts. Alice, read the style of the message as it went.

It was, hi, Alice, DC here. I'm here to help you. Can I have a quick word about your overdue gas and electricity bills? I could supply chain finance, your gas and utility bills. I think we can really help your overdue, help with the overdue gas bill situation. Lots of love. Let's have an elbow bump soon, DC. Ignore.

Hope you're thriving in the heart of the machine, Bracket's podcast. Oh my God. That's the heart of the machine, Bracket's trans. I wish Scottish Gash would offer me a Scottish Gash. Scottish Gash. You certainly wish that the government would give you one of those. I'm getting pushy. I'm getting pushy piped straight into my home.

You know what? I'm going to fucking change the name of the group chat myself. Thank you very much. I'm gay. In the double-A's, Belarus have turned off the Gash supply. There's no pussy in any West Lothian. Christ. Hell yeah.

Alice and I have been podcasting for like four solid hours. We have the madness. It's really set it now. That's right. Anyway, the podcasting pre-op. Listen to the bonus masters of our domain for us talking about keeping the pussy in an apartment. That's right. That's why you're the pussy apartment.

Anyway, I just, I really enjoyed those texts from David Cameron to basically everyone in government sent, again, mostly on the same day, around the same time as he was just desperate to like get his do nothing Cinecure sort of taken care of, but again, was slightly too stupid to enjoy the kind of prestigious job for life that being a prime minister gives you because he was too easily taken in by an obvious scam. Yeah. Because he should have done the Tony Blair thing. It's amazing that Tony Blair is being a more successful former prime minister than David

Cameron, giving that Tony Blair did the Iraq war and hung out with Jeffery Epstein. Yeah. That's right. Well, I mean, who didn't do that to be fair? But I think it's very funny. It's just, it's very much the Spider-Man meme of everyone in the top tier of our society pointing at each other. No, I don't, I don't think that even like Jeffrey Epstein would hang out with David

Cameron. I think he'd get annoyed with the text messages. Yeah. Hi, JEDC. That's right. Well, I think it's also a very... Yeah. I hope you're thriving in the heart of the mosque.

Just wondering if you have a minute for a quick FaceTime. What I think is also very funny is David Cameron, anytime he's asked about this, he's like, I just always thought I'd make a good banker. It's just a guy who likes to... He's laughing. He's laughing. Yeah. He's just...

His whole life is larping. Oh my God. David Cameron in a different life could have been, could have been Alice. He could have been buying Lithuanian forestry worker patches and being like, I could do this. He would have been healthier if he had just done that, if he had just like... Good transition of saved. That's right.

On a similar subject, right? I also want to talk about a subject that is near and dear to my heart, which is there's some things that have happened in the world of cryptocurrency today, which is that basically... Like it's still really cool and good. There is this, there is something called a stablecoin, which is a cryptocurrency that's pegged to a value of something. So one US dollar, one US dollar or tether equals one US dollars. The tether is the cryptocurrency.

Now there has long been controversies about the US dollar tether, which is basically created by a private organization that says, look, this is a one to one US dollar stablecoin. And at every time Bitcoin has had his massive price run-ups in 2017 and 2019, tethers, these cryptocurrencies have always been a huge part of it. There are tons and tons of these tethers by these other cryptocurrencies, but hey, it's backed one to one by the US dollar. Only recently, today they released all of their actual accounts or like the breakdown of the assets backing up the stablecoin.

You see, that's where they went wrong. You know what? I'm not a finance guy, but like this is very much the Fat Panama banker in the Simpson situation is like, oh no, I shouldn't have released the accounts. Oh crap, I suddenly shouldn't have said they were illegal. Oh no. Effectively. And like their volume has sort of surpassed a trillion dollars recently, but like their

breakdown of, because the reserves are supposed to be, the reserves back the currency, because the currency is theoretically exchangeable for the equivalent in reserves. So you could theoretically say- It's like a gold standard, but for crypto basically, yeah. I love it. I keep inventing different kinds of central banking. Yeah. I'm learning.

If anything, tether is often referred to as the central bank of cryptocurrencies because it's so important in like buying others on the sort of like more cowboy-ish exchanges. So their backing is a 76% cash and cash equivalent, C-A-S-H. It's like Olive Garden vouchers, whatever. Members of coins. Nectar points. Actually, Milo, you're kind of not far wrong when you say Nectar. Oh no, no.

It's 76% dollars and then 24% love, honey, reward points. Oh, Alice. Oh, I sweetest of our child. It's not 76% dollars. That cash and cash equivalence is about 2.7% dollars. Oh, okay. No, sorry. 3.87% rather.

3.87. And then there are other things that are cash equivalents like American government debt is a cash equivalent because it's very liquid and it can never really fail. But that's only 3%. And then deposits form by 24%, repo notes about 3.6%, but then 65% is something called short-term commercial paper. An IOU. Effectively, yes.

But the thing is, short-term commercial paper, that is, again, things that are considered relatively highly liquid, very sort of easily tradable debt instruments from large companies. For example, their accounts receivable obligations. Ah. It's not green sill again, is it? Is it green sill all the way down? I was going to say, there's another firm that used short-term commercial paper where you don't say who it is and you don't specify any of the specifics of it.

Talk about any of the, let's say, risks you're holding with your counterparties. And everyone involved in that organization testified in front of Parliament yesterday. Yeah. Cool. Cool they were and about how normal all of the texts they sent were. Balor and the Gibbo group chat with David Cameron. That's right. Hi, Gibbo.

I hope your heart is thriving in the heart of the dick. Wanting to be free for a quick touch base. Yeah, to touch bases. Yeah. To touch our bases to each other. Yeah. So this is very amusing to me. Largely because it's like, oh, yeah.

They're just like, yeah, it's, I don't know, hot dog debt, basically. It's like, yeah, who can say what's actually in there? Who are they lending to? What is that? Just, yeah, it's more green sale type shit, essentially. Commercial paper, unknown commutority, unknown credit quality could be Sanjeev Gupta for all we know. But hey, that thing, it's almost like, it's almost very satisfying to me where it's like,

oh, hey, this big dumb part of the economy, like, like all the green sale stuff, right? Well, this big dumb part of the economy that you know is clearly fake. It turns out it's fake. The same thing with like this, not all of the crypto market, but like certainly whatever bit of it that the US dollar tether is involved in. Hey, that's big stupid thing that was clearly fake. It's for the same reason. Well, because this also comes the same fucking few days as when Elon Musk went on SNL and

tanked the value of Dogecoin by pointing out that Dogecoin is a stupid scam. And then everyone who owned Dogecoin going, wait, what? And I feel like they, to use another Simpson's reference, are having the moment where like Marge is like, you've spent more on temporary tattoos over the years than you have on presence for me. And he's like, but Marge, it was worth it. And then starts looking all over his body for the tattoos that are no longer there. And he's like, where have they gone?

And I feel like that is basically the experience of being a Dogecoin guy. But it's not just that also. I mean, the Dave, and here's, here's where I put my tinfoil hat on. Oh, okay. I'm not a lead. Now I am not alleging a connection between any of these two events. I'm just wearing this stylish tinfoil hat. But Elon Musk announced that basically Elon Musk made Tesla profitable by basically selling

a bunch of Bitcoin he'd invested in. Okay. Right. Them says, runs up the value by making big statements like, we're going to accept Bitcoin for Tesla. I love Bitcoin. And also when you buy Dogecoin, I mean, at least for a while, a lot of that money would be transacted through Bitcoin.

I was like tethered to it, wasn't it? It wouldn't be true anymore because you could buy Dogecoin directly. But nevertheless. And you should. This is investment advice. I would like to say. This is not investment advice. But nevertheless, what you can see is that he does all of that.

And then he says, actually, due to the environmental impacts of Bitcoin, Tesla will not be accepting Bitcoin until such time as a cryptocurrency can be environmentally impactful. And then the next day, the US dollar tether thing comes out. Huh. So. Yeah. Just everyone enjoy your hats. Yeah.

I'm just going to enjoy this tinfoil hat. Enjoy your nectar points. Enjoy your nectar points because that's like that's enjoy your nectar points, which are underpinning the stability of this large growing asset class that's based on ideology. If you own a tether, you could trade that in for 50% off for two people on a weekend at Thought Park. So I personally feel very good about this underpinning the economy. I don't see any problems here.

The US dollar tether is pegged to a free refill at the Coke freestyle machine. Yeah. That's right. Who doesn't want that? He doesn't want a free refill. What are you a fucking commie? Freedom coin. Yeah.

It's a pay for refills in the Soviet Union, I bet. Yeah. I imagine so. Yeah. Anyway, I also have a startup to talk about today. Okay. It is called Willa. Willa?

Willa. W-I-L-L-A. Willa wafers. Is that anything? I don't know. Yeah. It's Willa wafers. That's right.

Yeah. Alice guessed it segments over. It's Willa wafers. The startup is a wafer. Oh, cool. I love a wafer. A wafer on the blockchain. Let's say it wasn't a wafer though.

Okay. Let's just spitball it. I think it's like a girl boss version of Willy Wonka. No. Is it a play on Willow Tree? No. No. No.

Okay. Alice, you sticking with Willa wafers? Yeah. I'm sticking with Willa wafers. I think it's a wafer. I think it's a wafer. 30 seconds to blank every single time. Don't say Mars.

Don't say cum. It's a vibrate. It's a sucking vibrator. Yeah. 30 seconds to not up every single time. Yeah. Yeah. No, it is not that.

It's a sun lamp. I know it's nothing to do with promoted tweets. Actually, it is something to do with viral tweets. As a matter of fact, they take it back. Oh, we cracked under questioning that. Didn't you? Do not interrogate me. This is not investment advice.

No. 30 seconds to blank every single time. Every single time. Every single time. Yeah. Just 30 seconds. It's half a rustlers burger. Yeah.

I know that's busy underpinning US dollar tethers. All of the shit is fintech, right? So it's going to be like 30 seconds to pay somebody. Yes. Yes. Alice, you got it. 30 seconds to receive a loan. Yeah.

Well, no, actually it's 30 seconds to receive a payment. You never miss a payment, in fact. Willa. Never miss a payment. Is that a problem? That's a threat. I get missed calls. It misses a payment.

Oh, sorry. Well, we tried to pay you, but you were out. So that money's just gone down. The only thing would be like if you're getting like mugged or something, but instead of mugging your phone, they'll demand that you will have them a payment. Otherwise, they'll stab you. Yeah, Willa. That's right.

Yeah. If I don't get this payment in 30 seconds, what would you do with Jason Statham voice, please? I can't do it. I love her saying Jason Statham voice. I'm going to get this payment in the next 15 minutes. My heart's going to literally explode. Yeah, Milo.

Bunch of much podcasting today. That's right. Willa takes care of the entire payment process for freelancers and influencers. So that's what I do with viral posts. We're those. We're those. And guarantees. I hate this already.

You get paid right away. Yes, every payment is instant. Let's fucking get Willa'd. Yeah. Willa us. Fuck the Patreon. Willa me. Yeah.

They were interviewed in Tech Crush. Send me your Nectar points. Wait, wait, wait. Hold up, hold up, hold up. Since we are those, we can therefore know how much to laugh when I ask you. How much of a cut did they take? 2.9%. Yeah.

Amazing. So again, if you want to get paid, why don't you just give yourself a pay cut? If I want to get paid 97.1% of what I mode. Yeah. So the payment process between freelancers and corporations is completely broken, says the co-founder and CEO, Christopher Somestad. Excuse me. It's built for the old world by people of the old world.

Both freelancers and corporations are suffering a lot of this. Warhammer dialogue is this. He's born of the old world, which struggles to die. This is like Conquistador financing. He's wearing like a Maureen. He's got an Aquibus and we're riding the Nina of the Pinter in the Santa Maria, where we're going to like find new lands and we're going to take their silver and use that to finance our freelancers.

Also, you're literally, you're from Europe. When people from America say the old world, that's what they mean. But both freelancers and corporations are suffering a lot from this. At least half of freelancers experience problems getting paid. Yeah. But it's not because of an app. It's because people are cheap. Yeah.

Well, how did an app resolve this? I am glad you asked me. Oh, no. I'm not glad. My dad says, will a pay solves this problem by re-engineering the payment process. It sounds like an Italian dude saying will pay. Figuring out. Do they send Swedish Italian guys around to collect your money?

Yeah, they're just like, will a pay? Are you figuring out what it is they do yet? Is it diet collection? No. Oh. No. Let's just say everything we're talking about today in the sort of first segment. It's not actually three segments.

It's one segment. Is it fucking me? Oh, it's supply chain. Supply chain financing. On the blockchain. Yeah. That's it. It's something that I've realized sort of the more I look into all this stuff, there

is just this, so much of this profitability of this dumb ass sector. Riley's accidentally done the fucking Pelican brief on the entire Western economy. Like we are now inside a John Grish novel. There are countless assassins currently trying to find the trash future studio in order to lock us into a suitcase in an apparent suicide. All I'm saying is that in the old world, we cared about wallet chains. But in the new world, we care about the supply chain. Or hail the new flesh.

It's hail the new flesh. It is paid sooner at a lower rate. Hail the new flesh light. It has been securitized. So they say, yeah, we are creating it from scratch with a new freelance economy in mind. No, you're not. It's just supply chain. It's just, it's the same thing.

It's just ways of issuing debt without calling it debt. And whether you're US dollar tethers or this, it's just the same thing. It's realizing that you can play a little confidence trick where you can just say, this isn't debt. This is something else. You call that debt? Well, this actually isn't it. It's something else.

I know it looks similar to what you're holding there, but it's actually not. So don't even worry about it. Remember pipe? They said, we're not, we're not selling. We're selling. We're selling recurring revenues. Rollin' deli pipe. Yeah, that's right.

Rollin' deli pipe. Rollin' deli whip. So, would you mind rolling into my whip for a second? So how can Willa guarantee that all get paid? It can't. Well, it can for now, which is that we're backed by one of the world's leading venture capital firms, EQT Ventures. This means that our financing is secured by both access to external capital and with the

receivables we buy from our customers. So what they do basically is they buy, they buy your receivable much as, you know, a factor would, and then they collect that money subsequently. Yeah, I mean, assuming that you have a receivable. Yeah. Well, you would because I write you a, I do some copywriting for you for a thousand pounds. I say to Willa, please pay me this thousand pounds.

And then they'll say, how about we pay you like a nine fifty or whatever? And then Willa goes and collects a thousand pounds from you. No, sorry. The point, the point I'm making here is slightly different, which is that obviously there is, there is an issue with freelancers getting paid in a timely fashion, but Willa would seem to imply that they were playing like going to organize a problem of freelancers getting paid, which is more of a broad position of people just will not, they will not let you invoice them because they'll be like, no, you did that for free.

Like that's not a receivable. That's true. That's just nothing. Yes. Yes, of course. You can see, you can supply chain finance that exposure. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

Getting paid in exposure or getting paid in nectar points is such a great choice. Yeah. Well, you can get paid and now you can get paid in all kinds of dumb stuff that's just, it's never money and it's never the, it's never the amount of money you're expecting. No. No, no, not at all. It might be ninety seven point eight percent of that. That's right.

So it's is, but it's, it's the point here, right? Is that a company like this, again, it's not really a company. What it is, is it allows. It's a scam. Yeah. It's a joke, a prank. It also allows EQT ventures to jackass. Uh, we're, uh, we're taking Phil's receivables and, uh, we're, we're.

He has no idea. We're launching a firework into mister, into fucking we man's receivables. That's what we're doing. This entire invoice was just written by Don Vito with his own shit. But what it does is it allows this venture capital firm to be a bank. Cool. Like without any banking regulations. Oh, oh heavens.

No, no, no, they're, but they're not blending money. They're buying receivables. Yeah. Because like I love so much that all financial regulators work on the honor system that a bank is something with a sign that says bank outside. EQT ventures isn't a bank. Look, it says EQT ventures. Will is not a bank.

It's a tech company. Yeah. It's a way that you get paid, but it's not a bank. Also when we're not charging interest, we're charging a service fee of two point nine percent. But it's just basically just Islamic banking. Yeah. What was also funny though is that it isn't money lending in the sense that they are

buying something off you. So once, once they buy your receivable, you're no longer, you've taken your two point two percent here or whatever, but you're no longer on the hook to them. And the only person on the hook to them is your supplier or your, your pay, your person is supposed to pay you. Right. But the thing is that the reason you as a freelancer sold them that in the first place was because that motherfucker was not paying you.

And so like they, this is like a company that's like, we want to lose money. Yes, literally. We are looking. Yeah. This is the shit that like collapses entire sectors of the economy. This is the machine that kills hotels, but instead it's the machine that kills freelancers. No, it's the machine that kills. I hope you're doing well in the heart of the freelancer employing machine.

Best, best. David Cameron working for them, but just as like a debt collector, he's just chasing people up. I wonder if we could touch base about that 250 quid. Very annoying. By being just one of the world's most annoying men. David Cameron again. He's like, actually, I, I did get the bag in and you didn't chip in.

So if we could, a bag of what legally we cannot say. So look, that's, that's all I had to say about Willa. But look, I want to, I want to say one, I think it's important also to let the good news shine in when it happens. Something today has happened where a bunch of, did you have a nice breakfast? A bunch of, no, an immigration enforcement man came to Glasgow to remove some, some immigrants and deport them from the country. And they did it successfully.

That's the good news. They were surrounded by, and, and, and Kendmere Street, they were surrounded by people from the neighborhood who basically wouldn't let them move, wouldn't let them leave. And then we're forced to release the people. They were essentially kidnapping to send to their probable harm. I'm very, I'm very proud to live here. And I am, I'm very sad that I was not there because I was recording a podcast about the

Mel Gibson romantic comedy, what women want because my job is very serious. That's practice of its own. Yes. I personally love it when the long arm of the home office is thwarted by like a hundred Francis Begby's. That, that to me is the best possible outcome. So no cunt leaves here and it just stops there. Yeah.

Exactly. So look, all our lashes getting kidnapped and no cunt leaves here. So yeah, the police and police Scotland basically had to help the home office because the home office didn't have the people. They put out this kind of like, this great please don't be mad at us statement where they were like, police Scotland doesn't do immigration removals. We're just here to like facilitate a peaceful protest, which is like, yeah, first of all, extremely funny.

Second of all, I don't know if you'd ever have got something like that from the MET. You know, like, we're just here to like, please don't be, you wouldn't hit a guy with glasses, would you? Yeah. Yeah. They, they, the Scottish police are afraid of Francis Begby. They respect and revere him. That's right.

That's right. He said no cunt leaves. That means us. We just got to stay here. Fuck. They've kettled us. Yeah. All right.

So I think that is about the time we have here for the first segment. Direct action, something, something. That's right. Yes. So I think now we'll hand over to our discussion with Aaron Keller from Vashti and Naamad, who talks to us today in a personal capacity. Over to you, us. Hey, and we are here in the closing segment of our show with Aaron Keller from Vashti

and Naamad, who is here in a personal capacity. Aaron, how's it going? Good. Thanks for having me. It sounds so ominous when you put it like that. Is it his views? He's not even representing our views, to be honest with you. He will be saying some libelous things about Naamad's persons.

Let me just up the top, just distance myself a little bit from Aaron Keller. We've never met, I should say. He's distancing himself from the pods position, which was established very early on, which is that. That's true. That's right. That is true. That's right.

So, we are talking to Aaron today a little bit about what is going on in Gaza and what these reverberations of that around the world are a little bit. I mean, there's a lot of things to talk about here, and we will probably talk about more of them as time goes on, talking to more people, people from Gaza. But in the meantime, like I said, we're going to talk a little bit about what's going on in the UK, the West, representations of what's going on. I assume those are all good. Yes, absolutely.

So, the political context, right? As I understand it, just a quick primer, is that in Israel, there is the sort of embattled right-wing administration of Benjamin Netanyahu, which is dogged by corruption scandals and basically clinging to power at this point. You have a restive and increasing nationalism, the expansion of settler activity into Palestinian homes and land to put it under further occupation. This sort of culminated in the evictions of Palestinians from the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, and protests with that coincided as well with worship at the Al-Aqsa mosque.

And this all sort of boiled over into us having televised lynchings, riots where Palestinian shops are being vandalized and their windows are broken, endless bombs into whatever is already essentially an open-air prison in Gaza, bombing down apartment blocks, many dead civilians, including children, and the IDF now says it is preparing for a ground invasion of Gaza. Aaron, have I missed anything? I mean, that sounds like a pretty excellent summary that provides the kind of context that is sorely missing from most of our media in the way we understand the conflict here. So yeah, that's a good job.

So how do you feel it is portrayed over here, and what is the political purpose of that? It seems to me that on the part of much of our media and certainly Israel politicians, there's kind of an attempt to decontextualize, particularly this latest escalation of violence and detach it from the undergirding conditions, which are, as you noted, five decades of occupation, apartheid, dispossession, killing, et cetera. And I guess it's in order to kind of present this latest flare-up as something that just happens. It's something we can't do anything about, and all to give this kind of bogus impression that all it takes for both sides to de-escalate the violence, that would be how you resolve the problem.

The word clashes keeps coming up. Exactly. And so yeah, it's basically an attempt to avoid discussing and identifying who the manufacturer is, which side is the aggressor, which side is being oppressed, because that would be much too complicated. So yeah, I mean, one thing that struck me yesterday, the other day on the march for the Palestine march in town, compared with other recent marches that I've been on, was the overwhelming noisy support from passing bus and cab drivers. And it just struck me, there's this kind of like intuitive understanding of who the oppressor is and who the aggressor is that just seems to elude so many of our politicians with these delusional both sides tweets and statements.

So yeah, I think it's pretty plain to see, and I don't think most people, at least in the West, perhaps this is confirmation bias, but you know, I think most people were able to see through it. We have this thing on the show that we keep talking about, about how the sort of the political tendency lately is to just for masks to come off, right? And instead of saying, well, the bad things aren't happening, it's now to worldwide and across political tendencies be like, well, they are happening and they're good and it's funny that you're upset by them. And do you think that's correct? I mean, yeah, there seems to be in terms of, you know, some of the Hasbra propaganda that you see coming out, for example, the IDF account, there seems to be no attempt to really hide the atrocities that are being committed in Gaza.

And really, they're just reveling in them. You know, you've seen those, I don't know if you saw that meme where there's a kind of before and after photo with the IDF sort of taunting gardens for having just collapsed 13 story building. So yeah, it does seem to have been certainly a shift in the way Israel is trying to represent what it's doing in the world. But yeah, I'm sure that's a tendency more broadly. It's almost like a populist, right-wing populist framing of war crimes in a way. It's almost like an attempt no longer to sort of appeal to the other side, but to sort of consolidate your base. And that seems to be kind of, yeah, what that means.

In the interest of balance, we do have to say that that building was a terror. I mean, this is the thing, right? It's very funny that they've sort of outgrown this whole narrative. You know, it's quite successful for a few years of actually calling Israel Palestine as the same as misgendering a trans person. And your activism isn't intersectional if you don't support the IDF and so on. And that's just gone. Those people are still there, but they're sort of like they've been outgrown. I've got the guy being like, yeah, protesting for Palestine is like doing by erasure somehow.

Yeah, and instead of that, it's just like, oh, triggered much, you know, which is refreshing, I suppose. The IDF Twitter account, I do think is a fascinating artifact. Because you remember that meme a couple of years ago, where they wrote tight defense. The list of dangerous things that Palestinians do. Well, there was another example of rope tight defense logic, where I saw, I mean, God, this is so fucking dark to say. This report has just been like, we hate to see rope tied to fence. This is really awful, actually, where they were like we among targets hit in Gaza was a school that contained a quote terror tunnel. I mean, it seems like they're the the level of effort going into sort of obscuring what's going on here is really sort of becoming quite minimal.

Right. This is there is the naked application of force, essentially. And then that this is you can't I think like you can't it's very easy. One of the there are lots of ways to try and sort of divorce this from the actual politics on the ground. And one of my sort of one of the things I hate the most is the framing of as as tragedy, essentially, as something that happens. Tragically, the situation has escalated again, as though the situation is escalating itself. As though it's a tsunami. It's the same reason I've become incredibly sick of and angry at hearing the words tensions, clashes. Yeah, they exist only to I think.

Yeah, I mean, the right the right way to frame is a fracas, right? Yeah, kerfuffle. Kerfuffle has happened following several children have been killed. Yeah. So I mean, because the framing it as a tragedy, right, is another way of saying regrettable, but inevitable. Yeah, as though there is not one side that has planes and tanks and control and controls sort of coming in or out of Gaza keeps it under a blockade that could stop doing those things. I think like a very very basic level, like one of the biggest kind of like the reason why these narratives, the narratives that have been like there for so long, whether that's kind of like, you know, the poor Palestinians are under the control of like the evil Hamas and like they won't let them.

They won't let the Palestinians live as they want, which just happens to conveniently be in line with like Israeli ambitions. It's the idea that like this all started or like this kind of it didn't all start, but kind of like the tipping point in which people were kind of playing attention to this was with the al-Aqsa mosque in invasion, right? And these are kind of like videos where you can see people who are like unarmed and praying, like praying in the middle of the night, being evicted and kind of like having grenades thrown at them. And, you know, the only resistance of that being kind of people throwing rocks because this whole myth about like, oh, the al-Aqsa mosque actually has weapons hidden underneath, like turned out not to be true. And all the kind of like pro-Israeli accounts, including like, I think the IDF account, which used the typical line of like, oh, you know, our heavily armed soldiers were having stones thrown at them. So that's why it was completely fine for them to like throw gas shells back. Like it wasn't really going to like play out. I think at like a very basic level, this is like, you can kind of think about this as like an optics fail where it's like on the one, like it's easy to kind of make that claim when, you know, you can kind of like use Hamas or Hamas militants as like the bogeyman, right?

It's easy to kind of like obfuscate that, but it's much harder when the entry point to like making this like sympathetic story is one which starts with like, oh yeah, we were just like casually harassing like unarmed workers. We were like unarmed worshippers, but we're actually the victims and all this. So I want to sort of go back to Aaron here based on like what we're saying, especially what Hussein is saying, right? The wide sort of, you know, I'd say mass appreciation of these things that are sort of made possible by the fact that people are posting them on social media, which we'll get to, and not sort of having them filtered through, you know, news bureaus or what have you. Do you feel as though that is there is some kind of sea change attached to that? I mean, yeah, it does seem so in some respect. I mean, I think you'll be, you know, you'll rest assured that the kind of woke Husbara industry that you were lamenting the loss of is certainly still thriving. I mean, I saw a tweet today from a notorious pro-Israeli account complaining that Jews are experiencing a social media pogrom right now, which was.

Oh my God, that's one of my favorite posts. Oh, wow. One of my favorite posts. Good Lord. Yeah, I mean, I think it was today. Why would Jeremy Corbyn do this? Just calibrated to be, to just be the most. And look, never mind.

That's very annoying. Yeah. But like, so because there is this, there, but there is this, like, there is a, this is something like, because I was noting this, right? Sort of in the, in between, we were talking about sort of impacts and representations of this sort of in Western countries, right? You have to talk about, you know, you have to understand sort of how it's being portrayed sort of especially in like the New York Times, the Economist as a tragedy. And then you have to, you can also understand how that framing is completely undermined by just someone posting a video on Twitter of what is happening because you can trust your own eyes in sense of moral revulsion at what is going on. You do not have to like try to negotiate with yourself. You can just see it.

But don't go around trusting your own eyes. That's what Hamas wants you to do. Okay. That's part of that. That's part of their plan. All right. But what I mean, why don't you try trusting reliable accounts of events like from the IDF and the Israeli foreign ministry? All right.

Try that for a change. So basically, right? We also have Facebook and related companies, for example, instituting bans on the basis of quote unquote human error, anything tagged Al Aqsa as Buzzfeed reported. We also had like many Palestinian journalists, especially based in Gaza, getting their accounts suspended again from either mass harass mass reporting campaigns or similar, right? And Facebook's explanation for why they took down everything that said Al Aqsa was that it's all tagged Al Aqsa on Instagram as well, which is that this is also the name of a designated terrorist organization. But that would essentially be like, I don't know, blocking content of the Notre Dame Cathedral being on fire because you don't like the Notre Dame football team. It is a child. Or just blocking everything from Ireland.

Yeah. Notre Dame is on fire and they're like, this is pretty offensive to hunchbacks actually. It is a child's understanding of these events, right? It's a child's understanding of this region. It's so good that all of this is in the hands of like four companies to decide. And I think also it would be easy to like take this as a more surface level thing. Like, oh, you know, like Facebook has some kind of agenda where they're trying to cover this up or whatever. But I think what we go for on this podcast is it's more interesting and revealing how all of these platforms are basically, they all basically operate on the business of like, what is going to stop people yelling at us the most?

And so they always err on the side of censoring everything because it's impossible to like do any kind of like proper censorship as we've discovered with online content. They're just like, OK, well, this might be in some way spicy, so we're just going to stop it altogether. Yeah. Like it's not even that they're really about one side or the other. It's just that like this could potentially harm our bottom line if it got out of control. So we're just going to kill it straight away. I think in this situation, it's slightly different though. I think it's much like the BBC.

I think it's just deference to power, right? That's why, you know, I mean, again, lots of people, not myself, were saying that like, oh, Trump should be taken off of these things because he's inciting violence. Never been mad at them or whatever. But all these platforms are just are just deferential. And so they sort of think, well, the foreign policy consensus of the countries that we operate in is basically that this one side is this good and this other side is bad. So we're going to err on this side of where our errors are going to be on the side of the prevailing foreign policy consensus or political consensus of where we are. Because the tech titans are now big enough, the ones that are looking at this content anyway, that they basically like have to negotiate that their relationship with the countries that regulate them is not regulate or regulate. It's negotiating partner.

So they so it is all of these all of these decisions sort of, you know, how chalked up to human error are, you know, deeply political. And I think it's quite revealing that all of those human errors sort of all went to one side. And I think in some respects, I mean, in the case of Facebook, it's fairly transparent. I mean, we know that the ministry, this sort of nebulously named ministry for strategic affairs in Israel works closely with Facebook. And you know, there's 120 right wing NGOs that applied pressure to Facebook to adopt the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism, which is, you know, full of problems in terms of encouraging the conflation of anti-Semitism with criticism of Israel. And so it's wholly unsurprising that this is ultimately, you know, the the the result. I had a friend of mine messaged me yesterday saying that he was he follows some big Facebook football meme group.

And there was a picture suddenly that appeared of Celtic Stadium kind of draped with Palestinian flags and within minutes seemed to have disappeared. So yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of wholly unsurprising and and very much something. Facebook is pro-rangers, actually. Yeah. Yeah. And something that we should be taking up with our governments, basically. I mean, a couple of days ago in the midst of this escalation of violence in Jerusalem, I think it was in the Queen's speech, the government announced its measures to basically prohibit public bodies from endorsing BDS. And that, again, is sort of like partly under the guise of the IHRA. But, you know, we can, you know, this is something we need to be, you know, say it was he should be commended for kind of for that kind of intervention. But it's going to take more than a kind of code of conduct for criticizing Israel to kind of resist these kind of measures.

And it's something we really should be taking up with our own governments. It's very depressing that the only people who are like, my posts are being censored and this is a free speech issue. Other people who are not really being censored, but are just like sort of right-wing cranks or like, why am I shadow-bound on Twitter? Yeah. Well, and also a lot of questions are being raised by my shirt that says Jews and Israel are the same thing, brackets non-antisemitic, which are already answered by my shirt. Yeah. I mean, and also like, I think it's probably worth saying that it's not saying like Facebook answers to Israel or anything like that. It's just that there is a Western foreign policy consensus. Israel is an imperial proxy state.

And so, you know, that generally speaking, it's almost the same thing as like, that's why one of the other reasons like, it's difficult to get them to like, you know, like air a lot of stuff about Yemen. Why like lots of, lots of reporting about Yemen also gets taken down in the same way because Saudi Arabia is also a Western proxy state. Well, it's the same thing as the thing we did on the London mayoralty election of who do you vote for that is going to cut the numbers of police? It was nobody. Which US presidential candidate brackets non-crank, right, was going to campaign seriously on casting military aid to Israel. Even Bernie Sanders was kind of like, I'll just do more oversight. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I mean, oh, so there's this, there's this phrase in and sort of US politics, you know, the US being the imperial metropole really, the UK being sort of client state of a different sort. Oh, what?

Right. Well, the phrase is, this politics stops at the water's edge, which basically means that foreign policy is sort of, that your foreign policy sort of isn't decided as to whether you're a Republican or a Democrat, not really. Right. And but what that really means, you know, so you support American interests abroad. And so what that really means, though, is foreign policy is a kind of, you know, a consensus of elite capital, whatever you want to call it. But there is no real difference between the Democrats and the Republicans on making sure that, you know, Saudi Arabia gets to keep persecuting. It's war in Yemen, or that, you know, Israel gets to keep the, keep just getting sort of more militant, more Israel gets, you know, an economy that's like less than the size of like Mississippi still gets like, you know, billions. More racist. Yeah. Yeah. It's the, it's the idea like no empire ever, no empire serves anyone's interests, right? The empire certainly, the empire certainly doesn't serve the interests of the people who are imperialized.

And the empire doesn't even serve the interests of the people who are like working class at home. It's pretty good if you're a missile manufacturer. You've got to give them that much. That's cool. But like, but you don't, you don't get that political choice because, you know, both Tony Blinken and Mike Pompeo, they both buy MDMA from the same guy in Capri pants who lives in the beach in Tel Aviv. Right. It is a nice hug. It is the same. It is basically the same. And, you know, so that's why I sort of go back and forth on like this, that, yes, social, the, the prominence of sort of social media journalism in places like Palestine has like and Gaza Strip especially has created sort of more a broader idea that like this is not the kind of thing that ought to have, it's not the kind of thing that ought to have our consent in as much as the politics of this country are sort of affected by the politics of ours. Right. But at the, on the other hand, and, and, and these this, and so the question of whether or not that content is being censored is at first blush an important one. But then when you think of how much does my consent really matter? I mean, it's sort of a political fate of complete that like that American Empire and of which again, Britain is sort of a part must continue and American Empire needs American Imperial proxies.

I mean, I think so you don't get a choice. I mean, I think Joe Biden articulated that idea that you're describing better than anyone when he kind of bellowed the quiet part out loud. I think it was in the 80s or something from the Senate floor. He said, I think, you know, if there was no Israel, the United States would have to invent an Israel to protect our interests. So yeah, absolutely. So Israel is like the Joker. In so many ways. Well, I mean, also, I think going back to the social media thing, like it is, it is part of a broader thing about these places, which are sort of like pseudo to being a commons, like a place where like, like the public can discuss things or have access to information. But they are entirely privately enclosed, and they are only they only have the appearance of being public spaces and they are run by private interests. And they're not even run by the state, which has its own private interests, they're run by literal private companies.

They can just change the rules whenever they want. I think, yeah. And again, I think it's like, as with any of these things, it's always tempting to see them in a more conspiratorial way than they naturally are when it's more just like the interests of these people often align. It's not because they're sat in a room going like, right, how can we help the Israeli government here? It's just that it so happens that like, if they allow all these videos to be posted of like horrible shit happening in Gaza, it's probably going to annoy a lot of their users. And it might annoy a lot of the people that they work with. And that isn't good for their business. And that's why they're making these decisions.

And of course, because of the system in which they operate, that ends up being like basically another arm of like the state. Well, it's these systems that enforce their own logic, essentially. My question is, can this be changed? And is the answer to simply be more annoyed and more vocally annoyed? Post through it. Yeah, to post through it. I mean, to a certain extent, I mean, that's, that's what, you know, that's what the Israeli government seems to be doing. They, you know, they, they're, as you said earlier, they're sort of like posting strategy.

You know, they have no sort of interest in sort of obtaining public consent for those sorts of positions. So I think the shift towards increasingly unhinged husbandry can be partly explained by Israeli internal politics. So as Netanyahu's grip on power becomes increasingly fragile, struggling to form a government is mired in corruption scandals. He needs to appeal to an electorate that's continuously lurching further and further to the right, as we've seen with the last four Israeli elections. And so Netanyahu is basically happy to dispense with husbandry that pretends Israel's a liberal democracy, because that's not how his electorate really views itself anymore, if it ever did. And kind of the clearest indication of that in this country was Netanyahu's decision to replace the Israeli ambassador. So, you know, he replaced the silver-tongued Australian born Mark Gregev with Zippy Ottovelli, who's one of the most brazen exponents of the ultra nationalist Greater Israel Project. She's called Arab's Thieves of History. She's denied the Nakhba. She supports this extremist organization, Laava, that we've seen leading the charge with these lynch mods.

She insults non-orthodox Jewish denominations. So, you know, her appointment was basically Netanyahu telling the UK we really can't be bothered to even try and defend ourselves anymore. And so what Netanyahu mod has been doing, and for context Netanyahu mod is a movement of British Jews seeking to end Jewish communal support for the occupation. And one of the things we've been doing recently is campaigning to basically make Zippy Ottovelli, persona non grata in the Jewish community. So, for example, picketing events where she's been invited to speak at Jewish denominations and to basically just try and draw a wedge between the Israeli far-right and its support in the diaspora. But I don't know, I do think it does. I do think we're sort of witnessing a bit of a sea change in terms of, you know, every tweet that's ratioed by the IDF or that, you know, by, you know, Kirsten Starmer with his, like, weak both sides. Kind of, I don't know, intervention. I think it does serve to kind of create a bit of a sea change. And particularly in a year where we, you know, people have been so, you know, where sort of instances of racism have been metabolized in such a way over social media, you know, particularly the Black Lives Matter and it sort of created such an kind of emphatic consensus. You've got personalities like Bella Deed and Dua Lipa posting on this. I mean, I do think that, like, for all its, you know, I'm not super optimistic that it's going to lead to any sort of international sanctions or anything.

But in terms of shifting consensus on the issue, yeah, marginally optimistic. But yeah, as for facts on the ground, I don't know. I suppose it's the question always is how do you translate that shifting, a shifting sort of moral and political consensus among a, you know, among a sort of, you know, certain slice of politics at least, but a sort of, I'd say, increased stridency and also potentially, like you say, Aaron, like an increased awareness in the right direction. How do you translate that to political gains when that's sort of not electorally on the table? And, you know, I don't see that happening anytime soon, but it is the tools that we have to work with, essentially. You know, these are, these are the democratic tools that are disposal is, is to, is to, is to, you know, what you have is your consent and you can withhold it. And what you have is your, is the material, is you have the material things you have and you can share them and there will be a link to some, some organizations, you know, helping people in Gaza in the, in the notes of this episode as well. You know, you have to do, do look at that. And, you know, it's, it's one of these things where I think there is a, I don't know, like I said earlier, you know, you have to trust your eyes as to what's going on and you have to trust your own moral compass that it is, you know, a, a revolt, it is that it is morally revolting. And if, if you believe all of those things, then, you know, you, you must do what you can, which is you must withdraw your cons, you must withdraw your consent as much as possible for it to be happening.

You must do it loudly. And if you can, I mean, if you can materially help at all to do that as well. And, you know, to, I mean, I, to continue to look for the, look for the opening to change, to change that sort of level of acceptability, right? To fight, to re, to real, to remember that foreign policy doesn't have to stop at the coast. It doesn't need to. It can be otherwise. It's just that, you know, it's, it's, it is really fucking hard. Yeah. Got to win the war with France first. So to, to finish this off, yeah, I'd say, I know you said, mentioned say DeWorsie earlier. So I, DeWorsie says she's been receiving dozens and calls and emails from people asking how they can talk about what's going on without affecting their prospects for employment, etc. And I just want to say that I too am very concerned about the phone calls I've been receiving about my horse from two towns over and should probably check on my barn door. Yeah. Is your refrigerator running? Absolutely. Anyway, so I look, I think that's probably all we have time for in this, in this segment. So, Aaron, where can people sort of find Fashti? How can they get involved to support that organization and other worthy causes? You can find Fashti on all good social media. You can follow Natta Mod as well. But yeah, in a week like this, particularly important to, you know, emphasize and elevate Palestinian voices.

So, you know, through Natta Mod, you can find and be redirected to a lot of fantastic journalists and organizations that are on the ground and yeah, use information you should really be trusting. And I also think that's all the time we have left for on this episode as well. So thank you very much for listening. We do have a Patreon. It's five bucks a month. You can subscribe to it for another episode per week. But this week, maybe first take a look at that donate button if you can. Otherwise, we will see you on the bonus episode in a few days. Bye, everyone. See you later. What an enlightening discussion. Thank you to Aaron, who I would like to stress was talking to us in a personal capacity. I've learned so much and also, you know, I'm very depressed. Yeah. Also, I'll say it's a May. I'm doing a stand up show in London. If you want to come, you can come in person. If you don't live in London, you can also watch it online. Have you heard of the internet? It's a new thing. There's like a link in the description and also on my Twitter that you'd know who I am. You can, you can find, it's the internet. You can find these things. That's right.

Yeah, it'll be, but come and find out if I can still do stand up. Yeah, that's right. Anyway, I am hungry. So it's time for me to have dinner. Anyway, I'm hungry in a personal capacity. We would like to stress that. That does not represent the views of the trash other trash you chose, although I am also personally hungry. Yes, that's right. Anyway, we're going to go do that. Thank you very much for listening and we'll see you in the bonus in a few days. Bye. Yeah.