TRASHFUTURE - PREVIEW: 5000 Colombos ft. Gregk Foley

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

One more thing... we get Gregk Foley from the brand new Bloodwork Podcast on to talk about a company that can only be understood as "weaponised geoguessr." Also, Euan Blair's tie up with Louis Mosley (who could have seen that coming!) and a mural of horrors goes up in Kingston. Get it on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/posts/144086966?pr=true

Ewan Blair and Lewis Mosley, who we spoke about in the interview with Sasha on the free episode, believe there could be, things are about to change because of their tie-up. Palantir has spent months introducing its software into NHS trusts and hooking up their disparate data sources. All trusts are being ordered to sign up for it for critical work by April next year. Multiverse's training for NHS staff will begin next February with the cost covered by the government's growth and skills levy, so Ewan's found another pot of money to put himself in front of. Cool. That's, I mean, that's impressive, actually.

Here's the incredible set of sentences. Having the technology is all well and good, but the NHS actually has to encourage its staff to use Palantir's AI tools to their full potential. That's where you and Blair steps in. Just a question, just a quick question. Is this popular with healthcare workers? Do they like doing it?

No, they don't. Not until Multiverse get involved. So Multiverse's job is to be like, hey, so you know Palantir? You know the guys who are sort of deeply enmeshed or the worst and sort of nastiest parts of the security state. Well, why don't you try incorporating them into your practice? Hey, pretty good. Yeah.

And it even says, because it's the telegraph, they're even like, Palantir is even helping the NHS absorb and absorb the impact of resident doctor strikes. You can use it to break strikes. Cool. Pretty cool. Yeah, I mean, the whole thing does, it just seem a bit like a heavy-handed metaphor where they're like, the idea is for you and Blair to help guide NHS staffs through the steps required to get the most. out of Lewis mostly.

I mean, like, I hope nobody here minds be saying this, but I find you and Blair sort of aggravating. I don't have to cut that. Yeah, the thing is we actually do tend to brief every guest before they come on. We must have missed that one. He's actually funding Muntan AI, so, yeah.

You have to check with the most controversial stances. I mean, no, because my issue with you and Blair and the Blair family more broadly is that, like, first of all, we already have one Blair, who's wandering around telling us that we're doomed if we don't get involved

with, like, AI and digital ID. Like, your dad already does that, and he is one of the primary reasons of the world it is in such a dire condition right now. And none of those are the reasons that you or your dad want to acknowledge, let alone talk about. So there's that. But then, like, the other thing about it is that, like, I was just thinking the other

day with, like, Trump having MBS at the White House. And, like, Trump is literally pointing over MBS and be like, yeah, it turns out, like, no one actually like Koshoggi, and it's kind of good that he died. And NBS is like, okay, great. Like, Tony Blair has his entire job for 20 years, has been, like, greasing the wheels between like Gulf states, monarchies and dictatorships and making them more, like, amenable on a diplomatic stage. And, like, he's completely redundant.

And, like, this entire project. here with Multiverse with you and Blair, it's basically him coming along being like, I'm Tony Blair's son and I'm here to grease the wheels in order to get you in touch and Palantir. And Palantir are just like, yeah, we're already fucking in the building. Like, we don't, like, it is an entire family of redundancy. And in terms of like sharing cost and like dead weight or thing, like the number one thing would be for you guys to just, please just go away and stop talking because you're not

actually needed. And as a matter of fact, like, even without the Blair's like we have where streeting the porcelain child, like waiting in the wings just like to jump in and do it all. Like, you are not required. You are surplus to requirements. Go and enjoy your money. That's the thing. To them, it is essential, right?

And like the same way as we see with a lot of other things where it's like, no, one of the sort of unavoidable things, one of the points of doing things this way is so that you and Blair can get his money up. Yeah. Look, for such a son as that to go unpaid, for such a scandal. It would be a scandal. It would be horrific. I wouldn't want to live in a country that didn't pay you and Blair, oh, you know, potentially millions. to do nothing. Oh, yeah, because, of course,

has his company ever turned a profit? Absolutely not. Well, I mean, that's just because he's so, like, caring towards, yeah, exactly. He wants to give everyone AI training, I guess, now apparently. Yeah, and you're welcome. He wants to shepherd Louis Mosley

into the NHS to break the power of organized labor. It does feel like quite a fucking, I don't know if I could even call it a metaphor. It's the literal thing. It just is the thing. It is just, it is just, it's galling to see it. You don't want first as tragedy second time as fast to be true as often and as

like, you know, as regularly as it is. Yeah. Like, we should have been done with the dads. We shouldn't be getting the sun redo performance. Yeah. Like a guy who reads Marx one time and is like, you can predict everything that's going to happen. Should have stayed a joke in Hail Caesar rather than a type of person you actually kind of end up being. It's just like with the Epstein emails thing. It's like, I really thought it would be more complex than this. Can I draw attention to a certain paragraph that really pricked my attention? Yeah. I'm just going to read this. So far, at least, the market is buying what Mosley and Palantir is selling. Shares are up 2,000% since the launch of Chad GPT three years ago, while UK revenues

last year hit 304 millions. So first of all, did you know that disco record sales were at 400% for the year ending in 1976? Secondly, Riley, quick question. Do we have any knowledge about how Mosley's boss, Peter Thiel's stake in NVIDIA is doing. Oh, I wouldn't worry about it. I wouldn't worry about Oracle. He didn't offload his entire stake in Nvidia maybe three days ago. No, neither did Masayoshi Son. To be fair, that was just to invest in open AI again. Yeah, yeah. That's, of course, the other thing about Palantir is, again, this, that the Telegraph article entirely elides, is that Palantir is a meme stock. It's one of the meme stocks.

It's like retail traders just ape into it wholesale. It's a thing that happened. It has been, like, since COVID, not just since the launch of fucking Chad GPT. Hey, but there's fringe benefit from this. We're all going to get to see a lot more of Alex Karp. Aren't we happy about that? I love that. He has a sword. He's a sword guy. Yeah. That's pretty good. I mentioned that in the article

as well. You mentioned it in the article. All right, all right. I want to move on. I want to talk about Grey Lark, GeoSpy, weaponized Geogess or whatever. So Greg and I have been talking about a good topic for him to come on with. And I just like, I stumbled across this

company while following the post of like, well, following a chain of the quote tweets of an annoying guy essentially. It's one of the best ways to do it, I would say. Oh, of course. Guy powered research. This guy is annoying and he is a guy. He is annoying. He's a guy. I can confirm both of those points.

His name's Daniel Hinen and he's from Boston and he has created a version of Geogessor for cops. This is weaponized Geogessor. I wish it was more complicated than that. That is exactly what it is. Like, I really didn't think the revolution was going to hinge on that one guy basically for the next six months in order to thwart this technology, basically sitting in a room

going, yeah, GoFarm Uzbekistan, goat farmers, Bekestan, go farm, Uzbekistan, just to confuse this program. That is literally, it's all hindering on this at this point. We have to turn Rainbolt to the side of good, right? Like, if he isn't already, we have to get Rainbolt and DSA. Look, we've identified that the chap hop people, we, our intel, I just, I mentioned once.

Intelligence received. Listen, we have people everywhere. And if you mention Mr. B. the Gentleman Rimer, right, someone will reach out to you and go, Oh, yeah, Mr. Be the Gentleman Rhymer's woke. He's cool. And I'm like, okay, he's not cool. Yeah.

No, let's not start using the C word. Cool. What about Mr. Be the Gentleman. I will happily concede that Mr. Be the Gentleman and other sort of chat pop luminaries are like politically on the right side. It's a big tent, right? It's a sort of doesn't have to be a bus not a taxi, right? It doesn't have to be a perfect coalition. We don't have to sit near them.

It's fine. No one thing works. It's going to take everybody wrapping at it from different angles to bring it down. It's any other Manchurian candidate activation phrase for Uncle Adams. We're talking about Gray Lark, which has a product called GeoSpy, weaponized Geogessor. They say, enhance your investigation. You know your investigations with AI-powered location intelligence designed to help government and law enforcement teams uncover critical insights faster and with greater precision.

And they also say they help enterprise investigations with faster, smarter, location intelligence. Yeah, location intelligence or knowing where stuff is. Yes. They call it visual super intelligence or super knowing where stuff is. Like super,

but a lot. I know where a lot is. But all their videos that they post in their social media show examples of using their platform. And again, it's videos of people using their platform. So I always am like,

I don't know how much of this to believe. Because some of it's certainly possible in theory, but like how much of this is hugely overhyped. It is, again, it's hard to say. It's not like we have access to their back end and we wouldn't know what to do with it if we did. But what they claim to be able to do is take a photo, any random social media photo, and the example that they use, or one of the examples they use is some drill wrap and be like, we can locate these criminals. And then they take a tiny screenshot of this drill wrap video. And then they upload it to their program. And then

it geogesses the whole thing. And they say, oh, we can do buildings. We can, identify anything from tiny, blurry pixels because our AI is so good. Again, I am skeptical, yeah. Take it with a boulder of salt. Yeah, where's your kind of data for that coming from? Yeah. And also, whenever we talk about these companies, we talk about them as though that what they're saying is plausible because it shows what they want to do and what people want them to do and what the market seems to like. So, a detective at a large metro police department said, Gray Lark helped us apprehend a dangerous fugitive in under 20 minutes. His tool is unbelievable, a game changement for law enforcement operations.

Arguably, if it was within 20 minutes, maybe not that dangerous then. Also, this is the other thing is especially, like, with everything, but especially in relation to product endorsements, no one lies more than the police, right? Like, you really have to internalize that. And particularly, whenever they get cops to say, hey, we love this technology, this technology really works. No, it doesn't, right? Like, you can look at shit like, I don't know, anything.

Shot spotter, for instance, for that. You know, like Chicago spent millions on that, and it didn't fucking work, ever.