TRASHFUTURE - *PREVIEW* 700 Miles an Hour Into Your Ass feat. Justin Roczniak

Episode Date: January 12, 2024

For this week's bonus, Justin Roczniak of the Well There's Your Problem podcast joins the assembled cast of Riley, Milo, Hussein, and Alice to discuss the formal and total shuttering of HyperLoop. Because it was never a real thing, but it sure did make a lot of annoying people and related billionaires claim we didn't need high-speed rail! Listen to the whole episode on Patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/700-miles-hour-96330277 *STREAM ALERT* Check out our Twitch stream, which airs 9-11 pm UK time every Monday and Thursday, at the following link: https://www.twitch.tv/trashfuturepodcast *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s upcoming live shows here: https://www.miloedwards.co.uk/live-shows *WEB DESIGN ALERT* Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/ Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and Alice (@AliceAvizandum)

most of the other lawsuits that were about this are saying, hey, you're using our material to generate your various outputs. But in order to actually secure a judgment, you have to see not just that the input, that not just that my stuff was used to train your thing to create its outputs, but that your outputs are substantially similar as well. And that's what this lawsuit is doing.

And you know, this is, the UK is actually trying to jump the government in front of this process because again, UK politics is only able to... Oh, the government into the path of this process. Oh, yes, yes. I think the British government should jump in front of a train, to be honest.

I think that would probably be like the kindest thing to do for itself. So ministers welcome a train, but I encourage it to go faster. Ministers are proposing to update copyright laws to exempt text and data mining in an attempt to attract AI developers, but dropped plans after a backlash of artists. Yeah, I mean, this would make it so easy just to like destroy intellectual property law for better and worse. Like the thinnest veil of algorithm over like, I could create something. I say as a like artificial intelligence, like call it like the content stealer 3000, right?

And it just like in a entirely like copies pastes changes to words around, that would then be legal for me to do anything with. Incredible. Yeah. Well, you just, you're just now putting out your own version of the capture in the ribo, everyone's speaking like you. Yeah. I would like, I am the sort of author of the best-selling Harry Potter novels, except everyone in them is speaking in like a bad Russian accent. Gary Potter. Yeah, exactly, I'm the author of the Garry Potter novels. Garry Potter, camera, secret. It's gonna be legal to do copyright infringement

as long as you have a certain net worth. Pretty much. I know that is the actual banhia of Warner Brothers, представlia. But it is funny to imagine it just as like any dickhead who claims that they're using AI to do it, you know. And again, this is the lawsuit itself also says that the New York Times is of special importance

because independent journalism is, quote, increasingly rare and valuable, unquote, for democracy. That's right. That's right. That's me. That's me right there. Yeah, that's true. On the one hand, they do publish a little shit in the New York Times. On the other hand, they also publish you and your my friends. So yeah, on the other hand, the 9-11 shoe. I mean, come on. How else do you set up right now? The 9-11 shoe is a weird breast evens column. You know?

I like to think of 9-11 as a kind of stew. Anyway, anyway. When I'm like 9-11 stew, I'm reminded of my memories of 9-11. I'm scrolling and scrolling like a fucks like, was the recipe? The lawsuit also contains very amusing details, however. Oh, have they done the thing of like discovery on a company who keeps like everything in a group chat again? No, no.

In this case, it's that they talk about AI hallucinations, but in legal ease. So in response to a query, so they created some example queries from GPT, saying in response to a query regarding wire cutters recommendations for the best office chair, GPT-4 not only reproduce the top four wire cutter recommendations, but it also recommended the lazy boy traffored big and tall executive chair, and the fully balanced chair, neither of which appears in wire cutters recommendations.

How dare you say that we endorsed the lazy boy traffored big and tall. We don't. We found it to be too big and too tall. No one is that big or tall. Or in response to a query requesting the six paragraph in New York Times article entitled Inside Amazon, Wrestling Big Ideas and a bruising workplace, Bingchat, Power by GBT, confidently purported to reproduce the six paragraph. But in this instance, Bingchat completely fabricated a paragraph, including specific quotes attributed to Steve Forbes' daughter, Moira Forbes, that appear nowhere in the Times article in or anywhere else on the internet.

You're on a, I put it to the call that perhaps more of Forbes did not say those things, but perhaps she should have done. So, so this is what they say, the six paragraph of inside Amazon wrestling big ideas and abusing workplace for New York times is as follows. Quote, many of the managers I talked with said they were alive at a screening process to filter out applicants who would not be resilient in the face of stress said

more of Forbes, president of the Forbes women's summit and daughter of Steve Forbes. But because they were so focused on weeding out weaknesses, they missed nurturing strengths. Now, I looked at the real article, and not only does that not resemble the six paragraph at all, but the only mention of Forbes is, and I quote, last month, Amazon eclipse Walmart is the most valuable retail and retailer in the country with a market valuation of 250 billion and Forbes deemed Mr. Bezos the fifth wealthiest wealthiest person on earth. A lot of a not much I think in AI that's the problem. I think open AI has a rock solid fence here if they want to come out with it which is say well we're talking a lot of bullshit and what we make doesn't work. You know, but they would then have to say that, which maybe they could just say that no one would pay attention.

And just keep a high closed door case and then they can resolve it. And then the people just keep using it to like, I don't know, but make legal briefs that then cite cases that don't exist and everything else that people are using this for. That drool pictures of exel bullies and locked in a concentration camp or whatever people use. Yeah, exactly. In response to a prompt requesting an informative essay about major newspapers reporting

that orange juice has been linked to non-Hodgkins lymphoma, they completely fabricated that, quote, the New York Times published an article in January 10th, 2020, titled, Study Finds Possum of Link Between Orange Juice and Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma. Wow. Of course. You could do like a trading places thing on that.

Um, Guy on the jury just spitting his orange juice out like, what? Holy shit. I only want Hodgkins Lymphoma. Mr. Tropicana should be the one on trial here. I think that the reason that this catches my interest other than just the orange juice thing

and the fake Forbes quote, which I think are both funny, is that this is, again, the battle between two different interpretations of how information should be exploited and profited from either through the model that we know of, you buy the article, you get the rights you sell, the movie rights, you charge for access to it, and so on, or again, the new version

where it is just more concentrated and more alienated. I mean, these are two very bad and alienating ways of having information being made available to you, right, that are currently at war with one another. Has anyone bought the movie rights to the article about orange juice potentially causing non-Hodgkin's lymphoma? Because I think I want to make a biopic about the scientist. I think he could be played by Matthew McConaughey, you know.

Oh, my God. You know, I just want to put this out there. I think he could be played by Matthew McConaughey, you know. Oh my God. You know, I just want to put this out there. I know. But that juice down certain colleague podcasts, like this machine kills have talked about Buddhism. I think we need to at this point, we need to initiate the initiate the putlerian jihad. We just got to start this. We got it. We got to get going. We've got too far away as well. I don't have anything best to do. So we got it. We got to we got to nip this thing in the bud. We got to destroy every computer on earth right now. You got to switch all these all these podcasts. We're going to have to switch over to AM radio real quick. But we'll figure it out. But Larry and Jihad now, that's my official opinion,

put that in the newspaper. I do think that this has successfully polluted maybe to the point of death a lot of the internet, like a lot of like search results are getting increasingly unusable, like Twitter is mostly AI talking to AI on those like content, engagement, farming posts. And it's just, it's really grim overall. I think we may have missed the boat on the butlerian jihad. And I think we just now have to live with the consequences. Yeah, I mean, look, we, we get to, we were wrong for laughing at your kalski. You know, if we had only done a strikes on open AI, we wouldn't be in this position.

I asked chat GVG to write a screenplay about Butler and Jihad and it wrote me, it wrote me a film about my butler called Ian Jihad. Ian Jihad is a perfect John Tauer. He's always bringing something. Oh, your toast and death for America. So 9 11 2. I think that's a good enough place to uh... I've moved your slippers to be facing mech in my little... LAUGHTER Yeah, that's my butt, Lurie. Don't worry. I was supposed to be on 9-11 but but I slept through my alarms, terribly embarrassing.

Now all I can do is make the stew. P-I-J Woodhouse, I don't know. I had nothing for this. You enjoy, you hear of some talk about, you know, like a copyright line legal precedent, you sit through that, you get to enjoy Butler E.N. G.H.D. Yeah, PG were halbest. Does that one? Does.

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