TRASHFUTURE - *PREVIEW* Britainology 77: Save Our XL Bullies feat. Hussein Kesvani

Episode Date: January 19, 2024

For this month's first Britainology, we bring on Hussein Kesvani—our special guest with whom we've never done another podcast—to discuss the recent UK Government ban on XL Bully dogs, British dog ownership culture in general, kissing your dog on the mouth, and much more.  If you'd like to hear the rest of the episode, you can find it on Patreon here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/britainology-77-96700018 *STREAM ALERT* Check out our Twitch stream, which airs 9-11 pm UK time every Monday and Thursday, at the following link: https://www.twitch.tv/trashfuturepodcast *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s upcoming live shows here: https://www.miloedwards.co.uk/live-shows *WEB DESIGN ALERT* Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/ Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and Alice (@AliceAvizandum)

Correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm not sure. This isn't the kind of thing that even if the federal government did it in America, that it would attract this level, or maybe it wouldn't have in the past. Maybe now it would, I don't know, everything becomes a coast to lead because of like boomers on Facebook. Well, these bullies, they're very, they're very large. We're, we're, we're looking into it. He says that is that, is that, is this Biden's ex-self belief? That's Bill Clinton.

No, Bill, Bill would be different. That would be, oh, I've heard of these ex-self bullies. I like, I get be all I've heard of these ex-cell bullets Like I get now I've heard of a big dog in my time. This is pretty big dog I'm a trying to get a blow job. There's dog like my balls. I mean Once again, this is just drifting off into a reality that's got folks have you heard of these Once again, this is just drifting off into a reality that's got folks. If you heard of these bullies, they're very, very large. They're very big. You thought they're regularly.

It was big, but then they got the Excel bully. They didn't want the medium size. They got a very big dog. It's so big. It's bigger than Joe. It could eat him. It could eat him. Oh, they got to keep him away.

Not allowed in the same room. No, no. Everyone's just screaming. Should we bring it out, folks? Clifford is he still allowed, they don't know, they won't say that. Is it gonna be put down, it's gonna take a very large syringe to put it down, because the big red dog. They're making it right now in China.

They're bringing it over on a special train. So syringes biggest of house. Right anyway, yes. So on the, there was all this discourse starting about maybe banning ex-self bullies in the UK. And on 23rd of September, we got the Save Our Ex-self bullies march, where all of the ex-self bullie owners said we're going to prove that it's the owner, not the dog. And so we're going to get everyone together, all the Excel Bullioners without the dogs. And they sort of proved the point in like the opposite way to the way they were intending

to. Where it's like, yeah, look at, we're responsible Excel Bullioners. And then everyone looked at the Excel Bullioners and we were like, I'm not sure how responsible these people are. What was also because initially when the ad went out, it was like, oh no, yeah, definitely bring your Excel bully, because again, we're trying to prove that this is not a dog issue, this is an owner issue, until someone pointed out that, oh, my Excel bully might freak out if he's like around loads of other dogs. Right. And people or just like being children,

and so and I think again, though other people are like, yeah, I'm not sure if it's necessarily a good idea. And then again, this was a very interesting choice of language. I remember what reading

some of the comments where it was just like, oh, I trust my Excel bully to be on their best behavior, but I'm not sure about other people's Excel bullies. And I'm really worried that if I bring my kids,

someone else's Excel bully or or someone else's bully dog will attack my child. And so it was still very fun. So it's basically like gun owners if the gun was alive. I think, yeah, basically. But I think also this suspicion may not be the right word, but this sort of being convinced for actually you're a really good dog owner. And, and that actually like this issue is everyone

else's problem and you are being punished for someone else's problem. And this is where I thought it was really interesting in terms of like trying to understand some of the problems, like a lot of these sort of issues in Britain where I think the tendency, especially like among quite a lot of people, like or least a non-significant amount of people, is this insistence that like, I'm not the problem other people are, and I'm being punished for someone else's problems without sort of recognizing that like,

either you are contributing to the problem just by the nature of doing what you're doing, or that no, this is sort of a collective problem or broadly that does require some sort of policy like based solution that does impact some sort of policy-based solution that does impact people. I think you can see that a lot with like, you less related stuff, you can see that with like,

even like local sort of like NIMB, like some NIMB stuff, where the tendency will be like, oh, I'm doing fine. And if other people are having problems then like they should fix it themselves, but I shouldn't be inconvenienced by that. Except in this case, the inconvenience that these owners have

is like, I shouldn't have to like put a leash or a muzzle on my ex-el bully. It should be allowed to just roam freely because I personally am a good, think that I am a good person. And yeah, because this is one of the big misconceptions with it like, you know, because we'll get into the videos,

but they're posting all these videos with like fucking arms of the angels playing. And they're like, yeah, I'm having to put a muzzle on my dog, look at him, imprisoned in this muzzle. And it's like, you have to put him in a muzzle for half an hour a day when you take him outside of your house to a walk the rest of the time. He doesn't have to be an leisure or muzzle.

Cause he's in your fucking hat. Like, they're acting as though like the government is doing like some fucking Nazi program of, like, you know, forced sterilization on all these dogs or whatever. I mean, they do actually have to be muted, but that's quite common for dogs. You should mute your dog, really. But, like, you know, they make it out to be this incredibly sinister thing when it's like, you just need to have it on a lead in the muzzle when it's not in your house.

It's hardly, like, you know, 1984. Further to my argument, that while it's primarily in your house. It's hardly like, you know, 1984. Further to my argument that while it's primarily concentrated in the economic domain, Britain is actually the world's most libertarian country in some of any ways because, hey, you know what? This is the kind of thing. This is not too many steps removed from, you know, my girlfriend shouldn't have to wear a seat belt

or a booster seat, like level of libertarianism. Like it's just, it's wild. it's like, it's a big dog, they are dangerous because they're big and they're dogs. It's like, if you wanna have the big dog, you kinda have to, whatever. Like libertarian guys hate the exo-bullying because it does pose a serious threat to that girl. For it.

Ha ha ha ha. I was gonna say in that photo that you've got from the protest that has the Rishi Sunak with the mask on his face And says muzzle Rishi don't bully our breed. I'm just looking at it because from a distance at an angle They've given Rishi a face tattoo. It looks like That mask looks like it's the silence of the lamb's mask that Hannibal Lecter Or looks like half of the mask or something regardless. It's the hardest photo of Rishi Sunak ever Rishi Sunak just needs to become Bane,

and then he'll just win crushing majorities forever. This is like Rishi Sunak's pen and pixel cover, right? Like Rishi Sunak, he needs two Axel bullies on leads stood in front of Alexis. It's very difficult to make Rishi Sunak look, like, physically threatening. Like, just no. He's in the danger zone for Axel bullies to have.

It will be exactly. He's like five foot five. Yeah, if they if they the fuck having a like a day of action mass protest, just find really soon I can unleash the fact of Excel bullies on in white. Oh, legally, do not do that. Oh, I mean, if like hypothetically yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you if you were trying to do the Excel bully insurrection, that would probably be the most efficient way.

We're not personally happy with it. It's very frustrating that like due to just the lack of understanding that we can talk about China importing a huge syringe on a train to put down Clifford the big red dog and the idea that pub should have alligators that eat your dogs and or you. And that's fine. But then when you suggest that Axel Bully hunters should unleash their dogs on the prime minister, then you're like, oh, actually, like special branch might come and kick down our door. Cliff is the big red dog,

shocks Chinese restaurant owner by orderly and perfect bad. Well, like I can imagine, like if someone was to sort of like take my time to listen to this in order to do like a kind of hit piece. So over like this socialist podcast is, is all this communist podcast is, is encouraging, encouraging attacking the Prime Minister. And then they're like looking for other examples of like, you know, instances that are like outrageous. And it's all just like insane bits that like, none of us remember, like Milo came up with on the fly. Like I'm trying to think of like what would be the good ones, but I think I think actually like that would be very entertaining. What's interesting to me too though, because I've experienced this also is that certain things that are like animal, either animal welfare or animal control tend to become like little pet issues for otherwise completely unknown

members of parliament and so on and so forth. And some of these issues wind up coming through. So Milo is pointing out there is in fact a new law that starting now in this, in the start of basically came into effect this, the like the style of this year, yeah, that it is against the law to sell an Excel bully dog, abandoned an Excel bully dog or let it stray, give it, give away an Excel bully dog, breed from an Excel bully dog, have an Excel bully in public without a lead and muzzle. I mean, so for all intents and purposes, this they have banned this breed. And once again, I think the, you know, the specificity of it is

such that like people could probably argue like, no, this dog isn't descended from like, you know, it's not descended from Pimp Babe or a guy. It's not a said it from a last gun Thunderfucker fucking a dog wild wild dog named key for Sutherland. So it's just it's simply it's not next to bully, but I'm reminded on a side of the dog is only tangentially related to him. This passion. I I'm reminded of the fact that the the UK actually, for example, banned glue traps

to catch mice. Unless you are a licensed exterminator, you're not allowed to use them. You can get six months in prison for putting down glue traps to catch mice. Because they say they're inhumane, because the mice will either dive or start to death or, or what you're supposed to do is take the trap and close it and then fucking hit it and crush the mouse. And it's like, I understand people are screaming about this, but to riff on, as someone who's, when they were ripping up part of the outside of the house

try to fix the broken sewer pipe, it mice started appearing. So who is dealt with mice in their house? Not for sanitary reasons, just because fucking, they made a perfect little channel for the mice. When people talk about it, you had to get your Excel, but exactly. Exactly, right?

And the pub alligator was booked up forever. You can't get fucking shit in this country. Everything's always wait listed. But here's my thing when people go on about like, oh, it's so inhumane and to riff on a famous mylobit. It's a fucking mouse! It's a fucking mouse!