TRASHFUTURE - *PREVIEW* Burger Skelter ft. Juniper Sternbach

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

We booked this recording with June from Kill the Computer and Ill Conceived to talk about something else, and were then overtaken by events like three times. We talk about the Epstein Book, political violence, the likely Partygating of Keir Starmer… but otherwise I guess it was kind of a slow news week. Get the whole episode on Patreon here.  *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s tour dates here: https://www.miloedwards.co.uk/liveshows Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and November (@postoctobrist)

I genuinely believe that we are witnessing the first Protestant canonization right now. This is, Charlie Kirk is going to be the first Protestant saint. And that's why Elder Talk 11, when he went and like, when he was done making kissy faces at the camera, at the cameras, there's been a shooting. And then pausing and going on the camera and then turning his cap around. He ran over and grabbed a bunch of merch from the table. And it's like, that's the smartest possible thing you can do. Because you're going to be able to take this to like gigantic bass pro shops and stuff and be like, you can have a piece of this true, are you triggered to her 2025, change

my mind, t-shirt that you can display in a box in your parking line. Is it, am I, am I, listen, you can get the lawyers on this, but am I allowed to say that it's conceptually one of the funniest things to have ever happened to get nailed through the side of the neck from 200 yards away? In the middle of a point where you try to pivot from transphobia to racism, under a, like a a marquee that says, prove me wrong on every side of it repeatedly. I think specifically that he was specifically at that moment defending gun violence. He was, yeah.

That is at least ironic. He died doing what he loved. I mean, he famously said that gun violence is a, like, a sad necessity of this world. So it's like he should stand by what happened. Like, theoretically, he should be, like, everyone in his orbit should be okay with that because it's a consequence of the world we live in and the Second Amendment. Oh, fuck, by the way, welcome to T.F.

We have as our guest today, Juniper, Juniper, June Sternbach from the ill-conceived podcast and the Kill the Computer podcast. Welcome, June to the show. Sorry we got carried away and forgot to introduce you. It's like so fine, you know. Like in the wake of this, like, it's been a weird day. I slept, I fell asleep at like 5 a.m. I was just like laying in bed thinking about this and like what the possible consequences

of this are and how influential, elder TikTok is going to be and I've just been wrapping my mind around that. But no, thank you for having me. This is a wild day to, I don't know, this is a weird day. It's a weird fucking day. Like, we have been doubly overtaken. We were going to talk about something

that was like four topics ago because we have doubly been overtaken by events. Before we started recording, I was like, we're Lance Stroll and events are Oscar Piastry and we have been so overtaken. We hit the wall and events just kept passing us. News is happening this week. News is fucking happening. Absolutely. We were

going to talk about something else. And you know what? Come back on. We'll talk about that other things some other time. Absolutely. Yeah. We'll do. Yeah. And then the time you come on, we find out that like somebody like blows up Ben Shapiro or whatever, God forbid. It's like, shit, we got to push it back. Yeah. It just kind of, it's between you and the like Etsy witches, right? It's like it's like a lower rent chud every time. Like we try and get you on and Stephen Crowder gets launched into space like the Spanish Prime Minister. You know, I was thinking about him recently

because he came up with Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, they all came up at the same time. He really got the like short end of the stick here. He's like kind of a nobody at this point, right? Like, hey, you know what? He's alive. He is, you know? Maybe he didn't get the short end of the stick after all.

Shit. You know, he got divorced. I think his wife hates him. But even Charlie Kirk, right, is like, I would not consider him famous enough to be like on the list of like chuds that somebody was going to shoot, you know, like he was kind of like, I was barely aware of him. I think there's been this like weird thing post-COVID where Charlie Kirk secretly

became one of the most well-known political influencers, like in the United States. I, for me, I totally did not see that coming at all. I mean, I've known about him for like a decade, been making fun of him this whole time. You know, he was kind of like a side character and a lot of politics. But I do think like the crowd at his Utah event was massive. And that's Utah. Like, I think he secretly kind of was the, like, biggest right-wing influencer. I mean, he was, like, in a close advisor to Trump. He was powerful. And I don't know when it happened exactly, but it was definitely, like, the last year or two. Like, definitely, like, the last Trump election is, like,

when this happened. It's, I think it's when right-wing politics became totally unmoored from being like, no, we're here to do the bidding of oil companies and became, we are here. to fight win internet arguments. Yeah. And take internet arguments into real life. What's interesting as well, because if you think about what his legacy was, right, like a lot of like the further right kind of Nazi than him

hated him more than they hate leftists on the basis that like he was the kind of sheepdog figure who like staked out the maximally right wing position to be in that kind of orbit. And so you had like, you know, uh, guys like Nick Fuentes or whoever. being like, why won't Charlie Kirk, you know, talk about Israel or whatever it is. And after the kind of second Trump election, he kind of like abandoned a lot of that stuff, which really, I mean, makes transparent that this was a guy who didn't believe in anything, for one thing, but also means that when he got shot, my first assumption, and we still don't

know that like my first assumption was, oh, this is like chud-on-chud violence, you know? Like, this is a guy who has an inscrutable Groyper beef with him. Yeah, I still loki think that. I mean, there were people in the wake of this. Groyper is talking about how they never expected this to happen from the first Groyper war. I don't know if you guys know about the Groyper Wars, but it was a very intentional, like, Groyper Nick Fuentes sphere versus the Charlie Kirk sphere. Like, they have been mortal enemies, this world.

So, like, we don't know anything, of course, like, this is all speculation. But I do. There's, like, a part in the back. of my brain under one of the lobes that's like this is absolutely like roiper on like far right republican warfare is what this was that's like my theory i i'm probably totally wrong but this was like fomenting like this this is like the groyper war shit yeah it was as far as like you know and this could be like you know disinformation or whatever but uh the most recent thing that i saw was that they found uh like a a bolt action rifle in like a 30 caliber like old hunting rifle with four

bullets in it, one of them are like four rounds in at one of them fired, and transgender ideology engraved on the cartridge cases. I love that engraving stuff on your ammunition is a feature of the American years of lead. I think that's cool and it's distinctive. We have seen that a lot recently, yeah. I don't know whether or not it is, but that particular combination of pro-trans old hunting rifle is, it might be the first red fud assassination, you know, like getting domed off by by somebody who's like, no, do you only need an SKS, you know? Like, what could trans ideology even be? Like, do we got, like, the magic symbols, like, the different elements?

Like, what do we got here? What friend's ideology can you engrave onto four bullets as well? It's like... Yeah, I mean, I guess that's four elements. Yeah. At that point, you're up to, like, there is still time. Body by Estradial Valerate. It's just, yeah, it's the chemistry.

It's the chemical equation. Yeah. No, I don't know if I believe that. Like, like, maybe, sure, maybe. But the longer this goes on, the more I'm like, okay, there's something crazy going on that they can't find this guy? Like, he's gone. Like, this guy's gone.

Yeah, they haven't caught the killer because they replaced the top level of the FBI with podcasters who then replaced the mid-level of the FBI with like, like, Magahat guys as opposed to all of the, like, feds. So really, they should have read the book of Mormon, and they should have kept all the, like, Mormon feds in that. I do love that they replaced, like, all of the FBI. agents with, like, their Patreon subscribers. They're like, all right, guys, you've been, you've given me like six years of support here.

Like, you can, let's invest in. You come on in, guys. Yeah. What is the things that we've talked about before? And I think it's worth bringing back up again about just like how these state institutions. And we're looking at crumbling states in the U.S. and Canada and Britain in all the places we talk about in Europe. And the features of social collapse are different everywhere.

You know, the features of social collapse in the state. are distinctive, and it's very accelerated because it is, I think that, you know, you have a, and this is what I'm going to get to about speculating about the shooter or whatever, you have a febrile and agitating and enervating media environment that is all pervasive that you can't escape and that you're encouraged to sink deeper into every turn. You have a wash in weapons where exemplary and spectacular violence has been repeatedly justified and thought about as inevitable. And then you have the closing off of every other possibility. Yeah. And crucially, all of those done by, in the specific, this guy, like, in terms of kind of like unintended

consequences of your actions, this is fully like sawing at the branch that you are sitting on, you know? It does kind of feel like if your whole thing was like cultural, cultural, cultural, like, that's your whole bit and you've made a lot of money from it. And you've made a lot of like, you know, your sort of position has very much been entrenched as, like, one of the guys sort of advancing culture war, you know, but also you're telling your listeners who, you know, at least a good portion of them do actually believe the stuff you're saying, but, oh, this is an existential war. Like, one of the things that I was thinking about was how, like, I was familiar with, like, Kirk from, like, 2017. And actually, he was one of the first big names that, like, fell for one

of my stupid tweets about, like, the Muslim doctor. I was just like, oh, my God, like, that's a real, like, you know, me and here, like, we go way back, man. to the point where like I'm sorry about your friend you know this must be a difficult time well you know we were mutuals until I nuked my Twitter account so like who really died first right

but like yeah like you're like one of the big cultural figures and your whole thing for like years and years has been like oh this is an existential war and you went from sort of being like you know trigger the lips debate me type of guy to like towards the end of his life

very much you know he was I didn't keep up to date with his stuff, but from what I understand, like he did like kind of become an ethno nationalist, right?