TRASHFUTURE - *PREVIEW* I’d Like To Generate The World A Coke feat. Ben Clarkson and Matt Bors

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

Matt and Ben of Justice Warriors fame return to the pod to discuss the mish mash of gambling, advertising, and fascist aesthetics spreading around the world through AI. Then, we think the Swan Song of Neom is finally upon us. Get the whole episode on Patreon here! TF Merch is still available here! We can ship to the US now! *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s tour dates here: https://www.miloedwards.co.uk/liveshows Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and November (@postoctobrist)

We're going to be talking with Matt and Ben about some of our, my favorite topics to discuss with them, which is, of course, the ongoing destruction of all creative work by the gigantic plagiarism machine. And then, here's the thing. Sometimes there's an article that gets released. Sometimes. That article that gets released, this time, is what I think might be the Swan Song of us talking about Neum, because the final nail in its coffin has been driven in. And every time there's a big setback with Neum, a bunch of like disgruntled European glasses guys

go and talk to the Wall Street Journal or Bloomberg or the Financial Times about the realities of whatever it is they were trying to do and how ridiculous it was. And another 20 people just left and talked to the Financial Times. And new bounds of credulity are being pushed. And I just couldn't not share that with you guys. More and more European classes guys are being packed into bags. Sorry, that's packing their bags. I think we know where the next round of residence for Niam is coming from.

It's the New York City residents who are fleeing Mumdani with their capital. Yeah. I mean, they would hate to live in a sort of an officially Muslim city. Well, it's mostly South Africans there right now. At this point, it's six and one half dozen of the other. I mean, yeah, I was going to say you say that, but like, you know, Britain's kind of most noble racist all sort of like live in Dubai now as well, right? Not naming names. So I feel like, you know, they can kind of, if treats are still promising.

to them. You could probably get them to convert. Yeah. And also, New Yorker's problem with Mandani is that he's Shia. So it's entirely consistent with their theological standpoint to move to Saudi Arabia. That's right. That's right. But another topic I wanted to get into, because I remember, I think last time, last time we talked, we talked to, you came on, we talked about one of the classic vices, which is, of course, tobacco and smoking. But this time, this time, I've noticed that all of everybody seems to be becoming degenerate gamblers. Yes. on everything. Right.

And these are, I'm looking especially at things like Polymarket and Cali. I just wanted to interrupt you. You were supposed to say that a minute late after you said it in order for me to win my bet.

Oh, not really so. So can you like take that away? Oh, I don't know. Your interruption actually came perfect for my string of bets. Yeah.

I was sort of thinking like, yeah, like I wonder like how podcasting will sort of like enter. I mean, not in terms of like, I've very lots of podcasts where actually was very funny. I listened to a Zoran Mamdani podcast in the run-up to the election.

It was like one of those- How much do you win? Well, no, no comment on that. I am a gentleman. But what I was going to say was that, like, he, like, it was one of those, like, types of, you know, like, it's like a very sort of bro podcast that's, like, hosted by a comedian. And, like, he's sort of talking about, like, yeah, there's, like, too much corruption in the city and, like, too many tech.

And, like, the moment after he talks about, like, tech oligarchs and just, like, the control that they have in the democracy, they take an ad brick to sort of, like, to advertise a gambling platform. I can't remember which one it was. But they do it like sometimes podcast, they sort of do it after the show, right? They do it like, you know, they record their ad breaks and everything. They were reading it out while Zeran is sort of sitting there. And you can sort of see the awkwardness in this guy's face. Because it's just like, you're already like past a 40 minute mark, right? So you can't really say, yeah, I'm not doing this podcast anymore. Because like, once you're like past a certain point, you are just kind of in for it. So he's just like, he's just like looking down while like this

host is reading like the ways in which you can like use you, the ways in which you, the ways in which you can make money to pay for your utility bills by making a really sick, unique gamble on like an NBA game using some type of platform. Well, and that's a great lead in to the next thing I wanted to talk about, which is the Polymarket and Coinbase Venture for the next volume of Justice Warriors.

We're excited to collaborate with our friends at Polymarket to bring this comic out into the real world and start making challenges that people can better. on and make money. It's been an exciting day for people who are placing like distant accumulators on trash chute your episodes because if you happen to have a bet

on a Shia Caliphate and the Khmer Rouge being mentioned in the first 45 seconds, boy, has it come off in a big way. That would pay, considering our back catalog, that must pay upwards of a pound 10 on every pound. So, but like for example, right,

like this, I noticed this last week where Brian Armstrong, the bald CEO of Coinbase, he said, And I just want to say the following words on the earnings call before we're done. Bitcoin Ethereum blockchain staking Web3, which then caused an $84,000 bet someone else placed on whether or not he would say all those words in the earnings call to go off, which he did on purpose because he saw the bet. And the expansion of gambling into everything, I mean, you know, it's extremely like,

you know, reactionary impulse. But like they also, these organizations like Polymark and Kalshi are nakedly political. They're extremely reactionary organizations. Like, let me be an example, which is in the day of voting in the New York City election, Polymarket, they posted, Zoran's name appears twice on the ballot. Now, this is normal for New York because he's endorsed by two parties, which means he appears twice in the ballot because he endorsed by two parties. Democrats and the Working Families Party. Fair enough. That's just how it works in New York.

He has a 92% chance of winning. Both of these things are true, but the way Polly Market said it, because they can say, oh, we have prediction markets where we can calculate the odds of anything happening. They can say, Zoran's name appears twice in the ballot. He has a 92% chance of winning and imply to all of the people who are like reading that

that because there is this malfeasance that's occurred, he therefore will win. I mean, if you create odds on everything, you create incentives to like stack those odds in certain directions, which I think is quite worrying. And there's nobody making odds, right?

It's just, it's just AI algorithm shit, right? Oh, with Pollymarket, it's, there's always It's a symmetrical platform, so there's somebody putting that up, right? Like, people have to bet against it for you to get your return. So it's not algorithmic. It's like very intentional. So anything that's put into the polymarket specifically...

I do intentional mindful betting myself. Yeah, I'm centered. I meditate first. Is it? Who sets the odds, though? Who sets the odds? The betters set the odds by betting against it. So it's totally...

Incorruptible. Exactly. Exactly. Sorry, I didn't understand that part of it. Yeah, no, this is bad. Yeah, you can manipulate it so easily with just volume, with just leverage. You can, like, swing it one way, swing it the other way. Yeah, but the extreme things enabled by the crypto economy, because by the way,

Polymarket and Kalshi are integrating into Robin Hood. So, like, all your life savings, if you're a Robin Hood investor, all your life savings are sitting right there, right next to, I don't know, the like, will Donald Trump come out to YMCA again today? And you can trade that like a security. Well, he's never officially come out. But another company that I saw, it's not the main company we're talking about today.

That's an AI one. Don't worry, everybody. But this was one I saw and then looked into a little bit called Dare Market, which is the inverse of polymarket, because this is the CEO, the CEO, Ila Rose Perfito, said it offers the two things that this generation wants most. Money and fame. Anyone can post a dare, place a crypto bounty,

on that dare, or do the dare and take the bounty. For brands and creators, it's a live laboratory for cultural moments, proof-based entertainment where the audience isn't just watching their active participants. This is that goes on to say, this idea echoes some of the darkest moments in crypto's history when a Solana meme coin launch pad spawn crazy stunts that put people at risk, with one streamer literally setting himself on fire for his dare meme coin. So basically, the idea is people now can put up bounties on other people engaging in. in acts of like public humiliation for their entertainment. This already

exists, right? Like this is the PewDie Pie. This is what PewDie Pie got in trouble for like hiring guys on Fiverr to hold up some racist signs. Like this stuff is already present but how this this is bad. Like there's there's like a

TikTok. This is evil. There's a TikTok trend of like someone pretending to be an NPC from a video game and they just like do their MPC loop until you give them money and then they do like a kissy face for you, like people's integration with money and the internet as a gamification, uh, has bricked us. We're done. No, no, no.

This is good. This is, uh, the future of the job market is these kind of short term games where you can sign up to sort of perform, uh, you know, some sort of task for a rich crypto better because they bought like a tranche of polymarket and dare.com bets or whatever. It's called dare, uh, what's it called dare. Dare coin. Dare market. Dare market. I dare. I dare someone to give Donald Trump a cheeseburger with a cartoon stick of dynamite in it and light diffuse. Just as a joke, you will get 40 million crypto.

You know what you could have done though. You could, like, I'm just thinking, like, you could break this down. And by the way, copyright 824, you can't take this idea. So it's, it's, it is officially owned by us and that's fine. So no one take it. You could. You could. in theory, take this concept and have, you could rebuild the JFK assassination from dares. I dare you to go meet David Ferry. I saw Oswald. I dare you to go hang out in the book depository. We could have Dare 9-11. Yeah, that could be the second 9-11.

I dare you to fail your flight training. Yeah. You could dare someone to go and like set up terrorism red flags, like try and register for flight training with not without learning how to land. I dare you to fall under the influence of a radical Wahhabis cleric. like well that's quite specific but fine i mean you could you could eliminate trump could eliminate unemployment by just printing money and pumping it into dare market and just setting up i dare i

dare you to pretend you're working all day