TRASHFUTURE - PREVIEW: The Derek Zoolander Economic Institute For Kids Who Can't Maintain Currency Value Good ft. Ezequiel Bistoletti

Episode Date: October 25, 2025

A few old friends stop by - Palmer Luckey, Shaun Maguire, and Eight Sleep... then we take a deep dive into the mind of the Irreverent Troop MP who loves Flags and is Serious About Flags and The Boats, Mike Tapp. Then in the second half, Riley is joined by Ezequiel Bistoletti - professor at the University of Buenos Aires and host of the YouTube series Demolishing Political Myths to talk about the Libertarian Bailout King, Javier Millei. Yes it's a long title but Nova said it and I thought it was funny. Get it on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/posts/derek-zoolander-142031509 Ezequiel's Spanish Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@demoliendomitosdelapolitica Ezequiel's New English Language Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@demolishingpoliticalmyths

This is the thing, like, that podcast you love is, like, deep in its 30s. And so consequently, the sort of the human stories of the podcast are like child care, a lot of work in the same day in multiple different directions, or in my case, waking up in the morning and finding out my arms don't work. So it's really, it's just, it's going to, the ailments corner that Riley and I like to do on our phone call planning the episodes is going to expand into the episodes and eventually become the episodes and Trash Future in, you know, a few

decades, hopefully we'll still be going still be doing very well, but both audience and cast will just be sort of like toothless, aged complaining about various aches and pains. I think what you could do is, I've got another startup for us.

They said I could reverse mortgage my house. I guess that's like our version of like the, like the I guess the right wing analog are like the people who are sort of still trying to kind of ride the anti-workwave but like are way too old for it now. Yeah. Of which I'm noticing

a lot more of that now just like you're kind of like hosts from unheard like the Trigger Boys like all this type of stuff whereas it's like you kind of watch their episodes now or like you watch clips of it and you're just like your heart's not in it anymore man like we could be those people. We could be the wokeest oldest bastards

we could be out there in AI generated t-shirts that say like don't mess with a 65 five-year-old pronouns veteran. I mean, look, yeah, like, the sort of woke wars will kind of continue forever. Of course. But really, there is a convergence. And I'm reminded a lot of, like, my favorite musician interview, which is Andre 300, when

he's asked by GQ, like, hey, why aren't you putting out a rap album and why you're putting out this weird flute music? And Andre 3000 basically says, what am I supposed to rap about? That I'm getting a colonoscopy, but my back hurts. And I'm just like, yeah, that's, that's, and that's, I feel like we're all converging to that point, man. Like, you know, we started out, you know, we were young, we were willing to fight. And now it's just like, like, we've all got different levels of, like, lower back pain.

And that is how we're going to unite. That's how, that's how, like, you know, the culture wars finishes. Because we recognize that we have more in common than what divides us. And what we have in common is the fact that we all have, like, lower back pain. Yeah. You wanted to leave the EU. I wanted to stay in the EU. You wanted to, like, shoot refugees.

I wanted to welcome refugees. Both of our backs hurt the same amount. You know, that's right. No Brexiteer ever. gave me sciatica. Yeah, maybe this is the unifying force. You know, reform blown the fuck out at the polls by the old bastards party, the one party capable of sort of like dealing with the reality of our aging population.

Oh, I could, I can say I am, I am feeling much more energized now. I'm ready to do the podcast. This is the thing. This is one of the great pleasures of being old, I've always imagined, right? is you could do the thing of like disappearing up your own ass into nostalgia and being like, oh, who remembers school dinners or whatever? But the more entertaining thing to do is to revel in being old and to be like, I hate being old so much, everything hurts, my life is miserable,

and just complain and complain and complain. That's a beautiful existence. I look forward to it, truly. Yeah. And I guess we just have to use it in like a more productive way. Like, you know, Britain has like more than enough of like old people who just complain about being old and, like, complain about everything hurting. They're not organized.

But, well, you say that they're not organized. They've been very successful at being able to channel, like, this kind of, like, minor level frustration. Like, they've been able to channel, like, the frustration about their back pain into, like, something of a coherent political project, but one that is very much rooted in, like, it's all the fault of, like, millennials and we're going to, like, fuck them as much as we can. But the thing is, like, the millennials are getting older as well.

Like, we are also all getting back pain. It's true. Some of us more than others. And we have to, like, use that frustration. productively. That is, I think, the great test of our time. And then when the Zuma's get their versions of back pain, they're going to have to find their own iteration of that. Our back pain, comrades. Workers of the world stand up and then do a little twist so you crack your spine. So, we actually have a guest in the

second half of the episode today. Probably should have mentioned it. Yes, my chiropractor. Oh, I would never talk to a chiropractor, although I do often get fed YouTube shorts of chiropractor. It's like YouTube's trying to make me go to a gyropractor. Yeah, they want to find out like what sound your neck makes when it's twisted like quickly. I don't know why. Oh, God, I'm just realizing taking forever to introduce the guests, never getting on topic, never staying on topic. This too is aging.

We are the podcast that is like hanging out with your nam. So we're going to be joined by Argentine YouTuber and political economist Ezekiel Bistoletti. And I'm just going to talk all about with him. I mean, I've already done this, so I know what we're going to talk about. I know through the magic of podcasting about milay, milayism, what that $40 billion worth of American bailout of their libertarian client state looks like. Hmm. Yeah.

A lot of weird stuff going on over there economically. So lots to get into. I was sorry to have missed it. Or rather, I will be sorry to miss it in the future when it will happen. Yes, that's great. Thank you, November for using what I've called the podcast imperfect tense. So I wanted to talk about a few old friends Before we get there though

A little dessert in the front half That feels like a heinous euphemism for something Deserts in the front half I don't I don't I'm not sure what that means But I'll think I'll meditate on that And I'll come back to you So first old friend Palmer Lucky Someone we've been talking about more and more

The man who knows no shower I'm sure some people might have seen this Some people might have not I wanted to save this for when Matt Boris And Ben Clarkson come back on Which will be relatively soon So do look forward to that But Palmerlucky has taken the, went on like a sort of edge lordy tech podcast and has taken two positions.

But just before, before you get into the positions, I do just want to say, as a representative of the transgender woman community, I really don't appreciate Palmilucky's like two things being bad personal hygiene and trying to incorporate a lot of like tactical warfighter shit into his daily wardrobe because that's our things. I bet he plays paradox games too. God fucking damn it. So, no, here's his, to staked out two new positions. Number one is the, I'd say, most predictable position he could have staked out, which is that women should be having children in their teens. Uh-huh. And to be clear, he specified, like, young teens, I remember right?

He's like, you know, let's, I've heard it said before that given how close people like this are to the government, this is the most pro-peedophile administration in the United States in history. Absolutely. Yeah. Pro-petal, pro-rape. Like, it feels sort of like. Like, uncomfortably, like, sort of libidinal and, like, you're not doing sort of grown-up

adult politics to notice how, like, it, like, throw those things, all the policy is, but then really there's no other explanation at times. But the other position is, I would say, borders on the more whimsical. Oh, good. Do whimsical a fowl. You have to cut that, because I can't even call them a f***le. Just beep it. Just keep file.

It could have been audiophile. You can never, you can never have enough whimsy in your cinemophilia or whatever, like. Yeah, he loves Wes Anderson, wink, wink. Well, the thing about, the thing about Wes Anderson, is that the child is always very centered in the frame, you know? And there's a lot of primary colors. Anyways, so here's the second position. Second position is that America and Americans smoked their way to being the dominant hyperpower.

It kept people focused fit. It's an appetite suppressant. I'm becoming more and more convinced that the health benefits of not smoking have not been properly traded against the health problems caused by the resultant eating. Yeah, sure, man. whatever. This is up there with Dasha being like we should keep all the like street lamps, sodium orange

or whatever. It's just, you want to go back because you too are getting old and you're experiencing lower back pain. I mean, low back pain that in Palmer Lucky's case is going through like an inch thick layer of kind of body grease that's accumulated because the man does not wash. This does kind of feel like

you're just sort of saying stuff now. Like you're not even convinced about it. You are just saying stuff. But listen, if if Anderil wants to take its money, and instead of trying to like sell putting sort of like rearview mirrors in front of like soldiers like eyes or whatever on helmets and instead try to invent the cigarette that's good for you then yeah sure fantastic because I've been saying for a long time that the cigarette that's good for you is that kind of like civilizational technology that we really need I don't trust them to do it is the problem yeah you know it's finally going to make a version of zins that aren't soy you know Tucker couldn't do it oh god um so there's another couple of other little old friends, of course, Sean McGuire, a investor at Sequoia Capital, is

so, so online griper-pilled. The crash out, yes. He's causing like other partners at Sequoia to resign. Yeah, so what he did, as I recall, was to post a long, I think

he can call it a screed. He's definitely posting screeds. He's screed posting, and he's screen posting Islamophobically, which is not great when, well, it's not great in general, but in a sort of like hedge fund analysis, it's not great if you, for instance, want to do business with, I don't know, like the Saudis or the Qatari's or whatever, because those guys, it turns out, read your tweets. Yeah, I mean, I mean, also it's probably worth noting, but like, those guys are also Islamophobic,

but they're like Islamophobic in very, very specific ways, but you're not allowed to be if, like, you're not one of them, right? Like, I think people have sort of got it mistaken. It was like, oh, yeah, like, they're Muslim. and so, like, you know, they'd be offended. It's like, I don't think they really give a shit, but it's more like the thing about, like, they have a very specific kind of Islamophobia.

Now, you know, I feel, I feel like if this, I feel as Sean McGuire was like, Shiaphobic, then that would be actually more beneficial. If I was like, at Sequoia capsule, I'd be like, look, buddy, like, you got to cool it with the Islamophobia, but if you have to do it, then like, you know, you've got to like, at least make it kind of anti-Shiar, right? You got to, like, it has to be Islamophobic,

has to be, like, anti-Arab in a way that's congruent with the kind of aspirations of, like MBS's third cousin twice removed, you know?