TRASHFUTURE - RAAC City ft. Well There’s Your Problem

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

You've heard the expression "safe as houses"? Well, let me introduce you to a new expression: "safe as schools, hospitals, Universities, many large stores, the Ministry of Defence, and also houses," because Britain decided to inflict mafia construction on itself across most of its own built environment between 1950 and 1996. Why? Because it's Britain, of course! Liam and Rocz from Well There's Your Problem join us for the second time this Summer to get down into the engineering details of it all. If you want access to our Patreon bonus episodes, early releases of free episodes, and powerful Discord server, sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/trashfuture *STREAM ALERT* Check out our Twitch stream, which airs 9-11 pm UK time every Monday and Thursday, at the following link: https://www.twitch.tv/trashfuturepodcast *WEB DESIGN ALERT* Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind our website). If you need web design help, reach out to him here: https://www.tomallen.media/ *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s upcoming live shows here: https://www.miloedwards.co.uk/live-shows Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and Alice (@AliceAvizandum)

I'm the kid from that internet book from 1995 surfing on the keyboard. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. You're like an AI model you're like Megan with a three except it's Riley with a one. Yeah. For one Lee. You must have M. Nisha you forgot that I'm him. I Want to welcome our esteemed guests It is of course Alice Liam and Ross from the well-dressed your problem podcast. How's it going? Oh, pretty well doing pretty good. How are you? Thanks so much for having me on for the like third time. Yeah, so nice to meet all three of you

Yeah, exactly. Very excited to come on here and talk about the exciting and dynamic world of construction materials. So have concrete. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, creeps. But I'm smoking pure brick.

I'm smoking that concrete at our double A.C. shit. I'm talking seeds and stamps Very small diameter rebar Like a number two bar they had to cancel struck the musical I got that small diameter rebar some my crew Um, you know, we are of course gonna be talking about exactly why every building in the UK appears to be falling down very slowly and then all at once. But first, I wanted to do a little news hit, a news hit, and hey, you know what, maybe doing a fat line of the news. Hey, you know what, it might be illegal to do a hit of the news with how this government

is going. The UK has effectively banned the 1950s practice of whipped cream bikini contests. This is the stupidest fucking country in the world. If you weren't aware of this, like the little charges that you used to power a whipped cream, like spray bottle or whatever, That's nitrous oxide, that's laughing gas. And British people, we love that so much that we are willing to inhale a shitload of it and just leave the little canisters, just scattered all over every sudden. May off his bite. Yeah. But now, now no more funnel out out even this like safe and legal thrill will now be

Yeah, but it's because what's gonna happen is like some guy in the Netherlands is gonna start producing laughing gas in his bathtub And then you know people are still gonna do it But it's gonna have whatever was in his bathtub in it Well, the problem is is they're gonna do what they've done in some other countries that have banned it Which is they can't actually ban not laughing gas or selling it because it has loads of industrial purposes. So they're going to try and ban selling it to teenagers, but that just won't work, because there will just be some guy buying it in bulk from a catering supplier who sets up a fake catering business who will still sell it to you.

Right. It's just seem very difficult to regulate. It's at a good steps, right? Yeah. Plus, I mean, without the nitrous oxide freely available, we are fatally compromising our country's ability to continue appearing in fast and furious movies. I might be so much the better for you, honestly. This is going to completely fuck up the British dental industry, my God. Yeah. Yeah, you have to start going back to the barber and he's going to give you a stiff shot of whiskey.

I just start yaking that bitch, yeah. I'm old enough to remember when a previous iteration of this government attempted to ban ketamine because they were worried about people doing it recreationally. So they tried to ban its use medically and the British Medical Union kicked up such a fuss about this, because they were like, do you have any understanding of how fucking clinically important ketamine is to like all emergency medicine? And then the government were like, no,

obviously not, we're all idiots. And they were like, well, it's very important. I'm just imagining the vets as well. Like because of the fact that some people somewhere were having fun in a slightly pharmaceutical way. Our country is now powered by 24.7 insane horse torture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All you can do now is just shoot a horse in the head, which ironically is a huge problem with teens getting their hands on revolvers.

Really, having Britain be kind of powered by 24.7 horse torture is more of a return to form. That's true. Yeah, the nitrous is in this weird space, too, where it's like, it's not a particularly dangerous, or like obviously it's not great if you just like do it all the time. It makes it stupid. Yeah, I'm sure it can kill you. I'm sure someone has like scare stories of the time. It just killed them, sorry, no, it's so dead. Mostly, it's just an annoying drug, and mostly we're just sort of banning it because people don't want to step on the

little canisters and it feels a little like there's, oh, we have to do some kind of governance and the sort of dying moments of Tory rule. So why don't we- Why don't we- Why don't we- Why don't we- We're gonna get a better drug. We can rise better drug. Yeah, yeah. I said this on the balthazar speedboat we just recorded and I'll say it again. Legalize everything else. Sing a poor style punishments for laughing gas. Yeah. No one would do laughing gas if they had access to better drugs. It's not a good drug. It's a bad drug. It's a mediocre best. Yeah.

Suwila Braverman said, the British people are fed up with yobbs abusing drugs in public spaces and leaving behind a disgraceful mess for others to clean up. So just have your trash cans there, I fixed it. Yeah, I was about to say this is a more about waste collection issue. Yeah, we can't fund the bin man. They cost money. And also if you have bins, then in the 1990s, the IRA put bombs in them. So now we can't have bins. So yeah, that's not worry about that everybody

People think this is a strategy to bomb the British people, but we are playing the long game long after they've forgotten about the IRA They will be terrorized by this scourge of street natures outside And they'll be knocking one Indiana based podcast producer off his bake Jerry Adams doing a hit of NOS and like having the last laugh after all be knocking one Indiana based podcast producer off his bake. Jerry Adams doing a hit of NOS and like having the last laugh after all. Just like running down the street and slipping on 55 with nitrous containers and like going in a comical looney tunes way rolling down the street, you know.

So I want to move on. Yeah, legs going into a bar. One more joke. OK, Leo. OK, yes. Can you imagine, right, some sort of the famous fighting men from cross the Glenn who have modified their rifles after disarmament to shoot laughing gas at the British Army?

I would like to thank you very much. I hope that does not forbid you releasing this episode. We're going to visit on the British the one thing they fear the most, dentistry. Dad? But for legal reasons after this, Liam is gonna have to be voiced by an actor. Yeah, I don't know why you got a throw laughing gas

at the British army. They're already a joke, am I right? Oh, no. Oh, all right, all right. Let's talk about how all of the buildings are falling down and everyone's blaming everyone else, even though everyone was in government for the whole time that it was happening because it's been happening for about 40 years and all anyone's done about it is say, woof, someone should do something about that.

It's the classic political scandal and that it is everyone's fault. It is everyone's fault. It is everyone's fault. It is everyone's fault. It is everyone's fault. it is everyone's fault. It is everyone's career in anything in politics. In the last, you know, lifetime, it's your fault too. Yeah. The material in question is called reinforced, aerated, autoclave concrete. And as I'm given to understand it, it is kind of trying to save money on concrete by replacing some of the concrete in the concrete with air. Okay, so it's seeds and stems of concrete. It's not quite just to save money. There's lots of structural reasons why you would use this material, R-A-A-C, R-A-C, which, you know, sounds like the sound a parrot makes when the ceiling collapses next to him. Rack off the yard, mate.

In this case, you're using in train-air in the concrete in order to reduce the weight. That's good if you're building something like a roof, for instance, on the cheap building. Because then you don't have to worry as much about the walls. You don't have to worry as much about the walls, you don't have to worry as much about, really any part of the structure. And this is sort of the idea is we have, normal concrete is cement fine aggregate, which is sand, coarse aggregate, which is gravel. You have water, you have some kind of ad mixtures,

some time ad mixtures are just anything that's not those foreign gradients. In this case, Yeah, exactly, exactly. ad mixtures are just anything that's not those foreign gradients. In this case, yeah, exactly. Exactly. You put parmesan in, that would be an ad mixture. So, in this case, instead of the conventional concrete, what you do, you add alumina and you remove the large aggregate from the mixture.

And then, as it's curing, rather than wait for it to cure naturally, you put it in the mold. The mold goes into sort of a narrow gauge rail car. The narrow gauge rail car goes into an autoclave and it gets blasted with high pressure steam for several hours. Out the other end you get a finished panel which has instead of big rocks in it, it has big bubbles of air. And it's also faster to make, which is handy.

Yes, it is much faster to make. Very good for that. I'm not sitting there waiting for the thing to cure. You can just like blast through the autoclave, like the mountain goat's are. And then it's good. And if you're using it for light duty applications, it's a really good material.

Now, that's actually... Lost it with really good material. Now, that's actually- Lost it with laughing. Although that's actually the unreinforced variant. The reinforced variant, you throw a thin gauge rebar in there, and that causes a whole host of problems, which we'll get into, I guess, in this podcast. So I'll give you the history a little more. There's this kind of concrete, as you say,

good for holding up roofs and cheap buildings if you're building lots of them quickly. For example, if it's the UK in the 1950s, and you're maybe saying, well, we need lots of buildings built quickly, but I'm sure in the prosperous future, obviously they won't let them just stay there, and they'll be doing upgrades. That won't be the last time we build anything on this site, so...

Look here, this Cockney Japanese is a house. And this fellow here, the buffens over at the concrete company, have invented this new material. They're calling it rack. If you... I tell you what, I've seen a few racks in my time. If you've built a house in the 50s, you genuinely could have a bunch of this shitty crumbly concrete layered and sandwiched in between asbestos. I might think that's beautiful.

Yeah. Well, at least it's fireproof, mostly. One school is unable to get it's a rack removed because of all the asbestos around it. Oh, that's true. Oh, yeah. You got a drop ceiling of a certain era. There's loads of your best is above that. So it's like hard to even get up there and inspect it because, you know, you're going to get as best as sized for once someone in the UK having difficulty getting their rack removed and it's not the NHS's fault.

Hey, oh, basically this material was used a lot for the 1950s to the 1990s and from the 1990s evidence came to light that said, hey, this thing. Yeah, like two guys did a study and what they discovered was, oh, this shit's real. Like one of them was crushed to death by a thing. Yeah, the study is stand underneath this ceiling. And then see what happens. Two experiments is enter one experiment of leaves. And ever since then, essentially, governments have been trying to, in the style of, I'd say, Blair and after governance of this country,

have been trying to fix a physical problem, mostly by shifting definitions of things around until the problem is on paper fixed and they can congratulate themselves for having done it. You didn't see any concrete here. And so that's a given the old air-rated concrete shoes, was the press that started? Oh yeah, of course. I didn't see any. Yeah, guys, just floating there on the surface upside down.

Oh, that's dead. They didn't have this kind of worse or most. Yeah, he didn't round, but just, it was very obvious where I had the body loss. So, what happened is that a lot of this was put in schools, but not just schools, we'll get to some of that as well. Actually, you want to build a school on the cheap, obviously. Right, yeah. Fucked out of the kids, Alice. Yeah. Yeah, well, I want to build a school on the cheap, obviously. Right, yeah.

Fuck that kid, Alice. Yeah. And what I'm Britain, that sentence, has a slightly different meaning. Oh. So basically, what happened was that is that it had a safe, usable lifespan of 30 years. And the government then had expert advice

that even outside of its safe, usable lifespan, it wouldn't pose a risk for some reason. That advice changed the 1990s, probably when they looked up definitions of the words safe and usable. Well, it was after that experiment that they got crushed by the concrete beam. Yeah, the guy was saying,

yeah, I reckon that's no problem and then was cut off mid-sentence by a concrete ceiling fully. He had a sim go that way. And then he was quoted as saying, ow, lighter than I expected. He just got a just saying, ow, light of the night's back. He's just got a bonk, Sophie. This is polystyrene.

So what happened, right, is that throughout this time, is that in the 1990s, it was like, oh God, this stuff is bad. And then everything was classified into how risky it was. And I mean, listen, we had a bunch of stuff in the 90s that would just kind of kick the can down the road on. All these kids eating beef, don't even worry about it. School's gonna fall apart in 20 years, don't even worry about it. And so I feel like...

They're tough, they're eating all that beef. Exactly, yeah. So I'm really thinking that like a lot of stuff that we just decided in the 90s, I say we would keep for 30 years, is now no longer keeping. I was about to say it's been about 30 years. They're coming down. Specifically what happened is there was determined that there was more and less risky building

spending and how much they had and where it was. And so they kind of said, okay, well, we'll try and replace the risky ones. And the reason that this became a scandal all at once is that a low-risk building fell. Fell. A low-risk building fell down. Yeah, oh no.

Can I also say how great it is that in my quest to become a stand-up comedian, I am now on a podcast discussing the tensile strength of different kinds of conquests. Well, what a long, strange, strange, like he is, and I'm actually having fun, but it's a crazy turn of concrete. What a long, strange, strange story. He insisted too. And I'm actually having fun, but it's a crazy turn of events. I was at the doctors today and I had to explain what I do

for a living, get excruciating fucking detail. And have we do explain, I take this math degree and the second obvious degree, and then I wipe my ass with them, who's a pretty humbling experience. And I think that's your problem. Yeah. Yeah. Same thing.

Russ, you've said to me in the messages that it seems like it's only a problem in the UK, this stuff. Yeah. Apparently, that's because the UK is so wet because it's like concrete, but you can't really get it wet. Well, so there's, there's a couple couple things going on here. You know, so this, you take this aerated autoclave concrete, right? And one thing people wanted to do is they wanted to make it behave like reinforced concrete. Reinforced concrete is essentially, you add steel bars to concrete so you can make the concrete do things it doesn't want to do, like be intention. Sure.

Now with this aerated concrete and the and trained air bubbles in there, it's hard to get the rebar to have a good grip on the concrete inside. Say you know, I'll just sort of slide at the ends, right? So what this means is you wind up with, this rebar has to be covered in some kind of coding, which is in the old days, it was late text starting in the 90s. It was a bitchimmon, I believe, which is, you know, apparently a little worse. Apparently the quality got worse in the 90s.

So not only do we keep using this stuff, we actually got worse at making it. So one of the big problems which we've had with this RAC is that it fails very suddenly without warning because the rebar does not have It does not have a good grip. It's like the sub. Yeah, like the Titanic sub. Yes It feels very suddenly the rebar does not have a good grip on the concrete. So when the concrete. So when, you know, in ordinary reinforced concrete, there's a lot of warning before something fails, the crack gets bigger and bigger and bigger over the course of weeks. And you look at it and you say, fuck, we should do something about that, huh? With this, we're in Britain, you look at it and you get, nah, probably fine. Yeah. What do we do? Spend money on it?

I tell you again, fuck them kids, fuck them sick people. And this you all spend money on this concrete. Sorry, don't question kids today. Where are we fucking rocked? They say something to the effect of, we'll spend what we need to spend an hour already like, nah, hey, hey, eight pounds. That's what you get.

Give it up, we will just think about, we'll think about looking at spending what we need to spend. Yeah, is that, is that, think about looking at spending what we need to spend. Yeah, exactly. Is that thinking about spending as much as we can? So try to not go to a crumbly school. Yeah, so pay KPMG 15 billion pounds to tell us how much we need to spend, and then we won't spend any of it.

So this thing can go basically from hairline fracture to total collapse very suddenly without warning. It's not super great. This is why in countries where it's used extensively like let's say Japan, they just tend to tear buildings down after 30 years. A nice boost for a functional construction and demolition industry, which we just don't do. Yeah, exactly. I think there's some merit in saying,

well, we'll have a building last 100 years, but then you still have to do maintenance, which no one likes doing building maintenance. I believe me. This is essentially where the crisis was, as we said. I have a couple quotes here from Trade Magazine's because everyone knows I love reading Trade Publications because they're not.

You're in like concrete qualsaly. Yeah, yeah. So Riley, you won't get this, but this is actually a very like Havai got used for you as segment where they would have at the end, they would always have like a reading from, it'd be like the guest publication would be something really insane like concrete closely.

Well, it was that to bring by. I got one of the better things. Oh, I like that. No, so this is from building.co.uk, the building. That's like if I was making up my qualifications as a builder, and if you're like, where did you get that from? I'd be like, building.co.uk. Building.co.uk. You may already be in one. notifications as a builder. And if you're like, where did you get that from? And I'd be like, uh, building.

Build. Building.co.uk. You may already be in one. Yes, of course. That's not it. The building is coming from inside the house. Oh my God. So, this is the quote.

Mike Hughes, director of Burmington, no Birmingham-based structural investigation company bytask. Paul, uh, why did you sign? Identifying school. Burmington-based, uh, company bytasked. So why did identifying school? Burmings and Bastes company bytasked. Identifying problems in schools was likely to be only the beginning of the repairs needed, noting that building was large flat roofs, such as retail of elements hospitals and the

ministry of defense, are among other sites of Iraq as they want the use. Right. Yeah. Yeah. They can any kind of prefab building. Meeting in the youths. Right. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to any kind of pre-fat building. Meeting in the Kremlin right now, we're going to destroy the British Ministry of Defense. But how?

Surely they have defenses. No, no. We will just wait. We do nothing. That is the beauty of the plan. You said, Rack could be anywhere. It has less to do with the type of buildings, more to do with the error in which they were built.

The main risk factor is flat roofs. And he also warned that he's seen an increase in potentially unqualified surveyors, you might want to love this, offering their services on social media. Quote, there seemed to be a lot of contractors coming out of the woodwork as a way to generate extra workload for themselves.

Cowboy, builders, they're at the start and at the end. They're Britain's eternal. This is a such an apolitical British cottage industry beyond the cowboy builder, but specifically the cowboy surveyor. So back in the day, maybe about 10, 15 years ago, they brought in these green energy certifications that every commercial building has to have. And basically, like anyone could do like a one-day course to become a green energy survey. And every building, every commercial building that was rented had to have one done like every year

where they'd come around and just say like, oh, you've got a radiator, yeah, that's a point in the minus. Oh, you're using gas, oh, yeah, oh, that's a minus. Oh, you've got all of the solar panel. That's a plus. And all of these guys were just like dudes from the town who like sold herb alive. And then worked out that this is because like the minimum payment was like 250 quid to turn up for half an hour and fill out like a check board list. And so I imagine this is a similar vibe.

Good gig if you can get it. That's not... Admittedly, it is not super difficult to figure out if something is rack, right? Because what you do is you get a screwdriver and you get a hammer and you put the screwdriver next to the concrete, right? And you tap it with the hammer.

And if it bounces off, that's regular concrete. If it digs in and pulls off the chest. It's a higher steel coil, because that's right. Yeah, you've died of hale and death. Yep, it's like a dream. You're going to build a Valhalla, or at least the closely related survey server.

It's a very simple, yeah. Well, cumston, everything's cashing out. How many sugars you want in that tea? Free or I? Svayce is about howl, a very precisely measured. I'm spatula. I just love the adjuvant. I can't transit in the middle of the level.

I love the idea that to do this test for rec, you can only find it once then you die like a bee Yeah Want to do but It's like the world's luckiest. It's like looper like the rack surveyor like eventually you just die Yeah, the thin gray bubbly line. That's why I got out of the industry Canary in the school. So, but it's not just schools that are made of this material, as I alluded to, also apparently the MOT,

but as well as a lot of hospitals, which is great. So the health minister said that upwards of 34 hospital buildings in England, we're at risk. A bunch of these were also due to be quote unquoteunquote rebuilt in this, they got 40 new hospitals program. So now it's going to be like, no, no, the 40 new hospitals program, that's, I was all just minor renovations. It's like, oh, no, no, that's the rack recovery fund now. And it's just the same small part of it. It's only moving to the world. It gets a different name each time. Wow, that's for sure. Like your new hospital is just like the Porta cabins in the parking of the old hospital. I say what you like about Porta cabins. No, I don't. I won't see what I like about Porta cabins. I will be honest with you. I just

been warned. I had a look around Google Maps at some of these buildings. There are like one or two story buildings, and you know, with big, big, huge flat roofs. And it's like, well, you know, replace in the flat roof on that thing, replacing all the concrete. That's like replacing most of the building, I mean. Yeah, well, yeah. Fortunately, we're not gonna do it. Yeah, well, at least it's going

with expensive and difficult. It's very fun though, when the British government occasionally boxes itself into a real corner Because normally the things that they won't do in terms of like managing the decline or solving the problems are things Which they can sort of get away with continuing to not do but when schools start falling on in on top of children I think that's that's really gonna be the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object Yeah, people kind of say that personally being snowflakes. They are.

Yeah, we're not Americans. I tell you what, when British children start dying at school, I think a few questions might be asked. No, we prefer them to die of like social neglect outside of school. I was about to say, here in the United States, we can have a school shooting in a brand new, beautiful school. Exactly. Yeah.

He just hosted it down. Yeah. Like, watch out to the dead kids out of it and the next class is already to school. Exactly. You just hold it down. It's a different kind of. You can like watch shorter than dead kids out of it and the next classes are ready to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just made out of that hard concrete. Yeah, exactly. You see the rack school and then the ceiling falls in in top of the shooter, incident over.

Yeah. Basically, you can tell us who you're describing with in American schools, like Hercules cleaning the Archean Stables. Yes. Yeah. So you can do a school shooting in the u.k. sun those schools are a death track we're building we're building all new schools with the drain in the floor of every classroom

one hospital boss referred to the situation as a ticking time bomb for their building and managers have resorted to providing training to cleaning staff to spot structural decays. They're not getting, I'm just using people from the town bell. Because it's like, well, we can't get surveyors because they're expensive. We can't rebuild it, obviously, because only 40 hospitals get to rebuild. I'm a dead man. And so I suppose what we're going to have to do is ask the janitorial staff to kind of do some surveying on the side. They're working This isn't their job. They're not trained. What the fuck?

This used to be my job. I used to do this. I know I'm hard to get someone in for an afternoon to look at the thing Well, it is when every surveyor and the country is like working on this I guess I guess so it might take four or five I have like five surveyor's because we don't hire anyone or train anyone to do anything in this country just Incredible they should bring me over all do it Like a mercenary yeah There is a very inspector guy. Yeah, hi. Hi. I'm the Wagner group of like inspections hire me from my classified ad in the back of Engineer a fortune magazine I'll tell you what I looked at a few flat concrete roofs in Angola very nasty stuff

What if anywhere can't go back to jibis the unpleasant mistake? I can't go back to jobarger. I'm gonna get collapsed on It's a man pleasant to mistake. I can't go black to Jobarger, I'm gonna get collapsed on. So one hospital in Cambridge has had to actually designate certain surgery operating theaters as not being able to handle obese patients because the ground will fall off. Oh, I'm sorry.

Oh, amazing. That's very funny. That's amazing. Okay. So we're in, this is very much like... Yeah, yeah. But of course, there we are. We're amazing. Okay. So we're in this is very much like five-bit concrete. Yeah, we're just in hell. Yeah. No, you're not in hell. We are in hell. Yeah, but I've on this podcast. So I'm there with your butt. Think of it like that. Yeah. So obese patients

in this one in a Hinchingborough hospital in Cabrature can only have surgery on ground floors because. Because we're just gonna go through the floor in a sort of comedic fucking Laurel and Hardy types of now yeah, you know, I've I've often been mad at the NHS for like putting off surgery for me because I'm too fat right if I got in and I fell through the floor you If I got in and I fell through the floor You fucking have to be a bit Extremely embarrassing

I would immediately understand why they were like I'm sorry darling as much as we'd like to We can't put natural's on you that big You're gonna crash through the floor of the operating fair You'd have to go to a country with better reinforced Ospils, darling, everland Yeah, I'm sorry It looks like Vernon K will never be yours

So what does it take now? What does it take to remove his big natural Juicy natural I tell you what this night club in Bolton must be very well-reinforced He's got some very well-entiled ladies out on the floor tonight Sorry, we were talking about Vernon K. Jeremy Barnes here with me. We were talking about Vernon K before the recording. We've been watching Shell Shank Redemption. Come on, lad. That's a call, my, oh, that's a call forward. Come on. Yeah. So very easy to escape from a prison made out of, made out of right then again, very easy to escape from the wall.

Anyway, apparently, the warden, the warden pulls the poster off the wall and then the entire president Yes, I love my presence, but like I my jenga towers So when it we're basically where this stuff is found a enormously expensive roof replacement will be required and that some buildings will have to be just completely knocked down This is also this is from the assessment in building dot code out UK buildings will have to be just completely knocked down. This is from the assessment in building.co.uk. We were replaced them with like high quality new buildings made out of materials that lost.

But if you look at anything that gets built in Britain recently, it seems to be, no, that won't happen. Yeah, everything is going to be student flats that just going to be doing like surgeries in the corridors of student flat. Maybe we could use a composite steel deck like a normal person. No. No, no, no. For a paper is all we can afford here in Britain. It's Japanese style off spill. It's got tightness, yeah.

Yeah, you go for your flow. I'll go for the timeline a little bit as well. Right. So as I said earlier between the 50s and the 90s, they were building this stuff because in the 1950s, you have to deal with the recovery from the war, rebuilding the entire country, the baby boom and so on. Huge amounts of infrastructure needs to be created. And again, I think maybe this is a question

for Ross actually, like, why is, what's the sense in building a major bit of infrastructure with the understanding that it's not going to be permanent? I mean, I think a lot of people sense is that when there's a hospital, that hospital is just there forever, but that's not necessarily the case. Well, out of these buildings are sort of, they seem at least to me to be like one and two story structures. They're not like, you're not looking at something that I think is intended to be.

This is the community's hospital forever. It's like this is how we get a modern building put up in the shortest time possible, and probably 30 years from now we will need something bigger. We can build something that's more permanent. But when you're dealing with these sorts of mass-produced buildings, you're not necessarily going to say we're going to use the world's greatest materials when the urgent need is for just a building to exist. The other thing is, of course, this is a very modern high-tech material at the time. I think it was developed in the 30s in Sweden by some company with an absolutely unpronounceable

name. You know, and Italian Swedish concrete. Exactly. And so this is sort of, we're sort of in the early days of reinforced concrete in general, not that early, but a lot of the failure modes had not necessarily been investigated too thoroughly at because most reinforced concrete structures in the 50s were at most 40 years old. So, you know, no one figured out that, oh, maybe if we put steel inside concrete, where we can't ever get at the steel ever again forever, there might be some problems with that eventually.

Of course, it's worth saying as well, right? Like if you're going to school at a school that is from the 1600s, that building is still sort of fine. Yes, yes, because that's all, a lot of that is pretty easy to maintain materials. I mean, not easy in the sense that they are physically easy to do, but you can do that with like hand tools. You can do that with laborers as opposed to something like reinforced concrete where all of a sudden even trying to find the problem becomes a huge issue. So you don't have necessarily the same kind of, I hate to say traditional knowledge about how to maintain the building, but you can put back together a brick building or a stone building fairly easily. The problems are fairly visible

fairly early on. With reinforced concrete, suddenly there's all kinds of these other problems that show up with just the fact that you can't access where the deterioration is happening. Well as residents of regional Russian apartment buildings are often become suddenly aware when their entire apartment block falls down in its own footprint 9-11 style, just on a Tuesday afternoon. This happened, right? So we have all this, as we say, we have temporary bits of infrastructure and then the whole concept of Britain being a place that for example will just the Department of Education will build a school kind of falls apart right yeah i mean i mean we were joking about like everything in Britain being done in Posa cabins but it really does feel like everything

in this country is like built on a temporary basis we'll just get around never because we don't care right built in a temporary basis until the 1990s when it all got farmed out through the private sector, who then started building things that were to be perfectly honest, deceptive and overpriced. So in 1994, in 1994, British government private contracts being not good value for money.

So in 1994, that's when the concerns about RAC began to appear. And then in 96, that's when the first cracking corrosion was found in planks that had been designed earlier. So we have known about this for quite some time. I would say. It's the previous Tory administration. The war. Pre-Blah.

Yeah. I mean, think about this every every government of that time has had a lot of other stuff i mean they have to do a lot of they had to invade afghanistan's like you know it's really low down the list is a sexy issue to be like is this company like fresh all the kids they had to hug all those hoodies

yeah exactly no i like to when you make a big deal about maintaining the roof, even though you got to maintain that roof from your head. I don't care what your buildings made out of. You don't maintain that roofing membrane. You're going to have problems. This just happens to be a unique head.

You get it like that. On the platform of like, he maintained the roof. He kept us out of war with roof. Britain's one surveyor has been walking back from his job of repairing pristine or airport after the Yugoslav Wars of the 90s and has just returned and gone, right, Lads, what about that rat concrete

you were all going on about in the early 90s? No. And the Blair came in and there was actually a great deal of money invested in school building. and there was actually a great deal of money invested in school building. However, all of that money was invested via PFI, so a huge amount of that money. Just pissed off of it up the wall. A huge amount of that money.

That's compromising the concrete. And went to private islands. You know what it was? It was essentially a series of liall landlies. Just fucking us. Repeat lials landlies. Now look, I may have spent some of that money you gave me on my private island, but rest assured, 100% of the money was spent on facilities for children. Anyway. So this scheme was called building schools for the future

Um, and they they did rebuild several hundred schools, but um huge amounts there was huge amounts of reliance on external consultants Basically neon style. Oh, right. Instead of just building schools again It by just by trying to farm this out to the private sector huge amounts of third parties need to be brought in At enormous expense first regard. We got that big school. That was a doughdecker. Heedron out to the private sector, huge amounts of third parties need to be brought in at enormous expense. First we got that big school that was a Doe Decahedron. Yeah, first you got to write up a contract that specifies in a philosophical manner what a school is. Right.

Additionally, right? That means all of the maintenance of those schools is also carried on through the PFI contract, which means that maintaining any school built through the building schools for the future program is also insanely expensive because it had to be found out to the private sector for some reason. Look, I think if you're going to have these, you know, Saudi-style procurement contracts, they should also have some Saudi-style suitcase clauses. I think, you know, some of these guys should be invited to a special dinner at the embassy. So Guy Moon walks out of an embassy

and then a bunch of schools get like built back up again. Mm-hmm. He's flew together. Yeah, crazy. So essentially what happened is that the coalition then said, okay, we're not gonna continue this sort of Blair era program where we piss an enormous amount of money up the walls versus the number of schools that are built.

There's too much money to piss away. Sure. There's austerity now. Yeah, indeed. And so there's no, so basically, instead of pissing huge amounts of money up the wall to mostly to private contractors to build a small number of schools, the conservative government essentially stop pissing any money up the wall on schools in general and then no schools were built. It was like the no piss here.

And Michael go, you know, it's strange, right? Where he says, oh, the building schools of the future was played by massive overspensed tragic delays, botched construction projects in needless bureaucracy. And he was right. It's just the answer wasn't to then cease all school building altogether. Sure. I love how like, you know, in the UK and the US, you know, we've gotten really bad at building just really simple things like school building.

You can't do it. Yeah, it's just like, well, this is basically a box with classrooms in it. Oh, that's too hard. Can't do that What if we just use fucking modular homes to do it? Yeah, all of your kids are like going to school and there's like Yugoslav Kiosk slaves to sell hot dogs out of your Children have been containerized reference that so what they did do, right, is they brought in someone called the school rebuilding program, but it only aimed to rebuild a repair 50 schools a year versus 38% of the school buildings in all of Britain passed their their their life at the time of like to 2050.

That's been many schools, other and like the country overall. Do we know that offhand? It's like more than fucking 50 I assume so so it's 32,226 times 0.38 so that's 12,045.88 schools that are Pass usable life. Okay, I mean as this one school at 12% of it is fine Okay, I mean as this one school at 12% of it is fine Well actually is quite the case right where a bunch of schools just didn't have this in them or some of them had only a little bit But it's very hard to know because as you alluded to earlier Ross

It's incredibly hard to find and so it's kind of Shroudingers cat but instead of a hammer falling and killing the cat whether the isotope decays or not What happens is that falls and kills your son. Yes, yes. Froting is every school child in Britain, and the box therein is a school of all of them. The question is, will a school fall on top of the moon? Oh my God, that's...

Question is, I mean, you would think someone would be able to go into a back room and find the plans for the school, but, you know, as I've alluded to on, well, there's your problem, usually that's been stored underneath the leaky radiator for 40 years and the plans are useless. So before we go on, though, I just want to say I'm taken 12,245.88. I am subtracting 50 from that. It's still quite a lot. Oh, it's at least 6,000,. It's at least 6,000, direct, and we don't know, a mathematician, but it is still quite a few schools. So, but they've been, the government has now been inspecting schools for this stuff since 2017, and this is quite a bit of where the great British government tradition of buck passing and definition fudging really, really takes off.

And so basically in 2018, a school in Kent fell down, but this was more than 20 years after the original report. So no one still did anything. Right. So in a way, it's fine. Yeah. Well, it's no long. It can't fall down.

But it is. One school fell down. Pretty good. That's not bad at all. That's not too bad. I like the, I like the mods. It can't fall down more. Right now that's one less school to worry about.

It's kind of liberating in a way. Once the school has fallen down, you realize, not so bad. I wasn't in that. Don't have to worry about it. Right. It's a one off the list. As long as they fall down at the weekend, basically fine.

Can we just schedule when they fall down? So this is when then buck passing begins. Because no one gets given any extra money, but everyone is told that they have to do it. So basically everyone is told to take steps to confirm the safety of the buildings, but no one's given any money to do it. And it falls to local authorities, which are already, and this is going to be an episode that comes out in a little while, basically now addicted to gambling.

It's right to cover all of their debts. Fun. Yeah. Oh no. The video poker machine doesn't come up in our favor than the fuck that I guess. Yeah. Yeah.

And, you know, again, schools and local authorities for the next several years are told, you should replace the planks. You should replace the pl the next several years are told you should replace the planks. You should replace the planks. There will be no money to replace the planks. Yeah, this is also why the Secretary of Education got caught in a hot mic saying that everyone else but her had been sitting on their ass doing nothing. And so demanding that we say thank you to her for, you know, doing a bloody good job. That was such a funny gaff because it was like one of the few where people were like, oh, how embarrassing for her. And it's like how embarrassing for the entire system that no one has done.

Why again are we being encouraged to care about one government minister being rude off mic? Because it was for people who enjoy politics as a show show to go like this is just like the thick of it This is like the best day on the internet. I remember in a minute Because you know, it's like teachers that are bad words right it to be clear This is not a small job, right? This is a big job. This is not like an ordinary roofing job where it's like you know You go in with some, you know, EPDM or something like that and you go,

all over, new roof membrane. This is your actually physically lifting up, you're lifting out all of the structural components of the roof and replacing them with new structural components, which need to be engineered differently, which means you may have to worry about the walls, the columns, the saw andon, and so forth. This is like not something that's simple and easy.

This is something where you need to get engineers involved. You have to develop, you have to thoroughly inspect the entire building and determine if they need reinforcements because you're going to inevitably be putting on a heavier roof at the end of all of this. So you've got to make sure the rest of the building can take it. So, you know, this is like not, not like something that you could reasonably expect to be able to do like over a weekend.

You know, this is, this is a monster years long process to, would you like to know on that basis, how long, how much a no-sus the government gave schools that they had to like do something about this urgently? Eight days. Yeah, it was about that. Yeah, it was, it was a few days right before they started back. Yeah, it was specifically was. It was a long weekend. Could you please replace the whole fuck?

Yeah, exactly. This is just the basis of a like a snobsby slubs comedy where it's like, your frat house is getting torn down on Monday morning unless you can come up with the $50,000 you owe the university in there like, oh boy, thank God, the dodgeball competition is this weekend. But, but but but you say, as you say, it's a huge job and it's one that no one

has done because even though it's incredibly necessary and will be much more expensive to just fix later when all the stuff starts falling down is that it was just not an option to do. And this is why I want to go back to the Gillian Keegan thing actually education secretary um I throw out Mike Bowen as you say Alice it is it is sort of kind of Reprehensible that this is the thing about this is you know, oh teacher said a bad word because the news the news Yeah, I love the news. I love the news is a show. It's not connected to anything But the what I want to go back to on that is not like the wolves and roofs of schools. Is that Jillian vegan actually did fail at doing the actual job of a minister

of the British state, which is to sell austerity and manage decline. You're not supposed to say everyone else has been sitting on their asses. You're supposed to reassure everyone that the crumbling schools are normal and that something will be done and that nobody notices when you just rename one part of money that mostly just goes to the private sector anyway, into something else, but ultimately, there is really no, say, for example, a giant school building program.

That's what she failed to do. What does matter the Chiefs War? There's no magical school tree. Yeah, because that was what I found perverse about it, because I was like, no, I actually liked this woman slightly more now I mean it was a low base starting point, but at that stage I was like, you know what someone is from a government minister That's the first time I've seen that in a while So the by 2019 the

The civil servants have not the ministers the Department of Education Recommended that you had to if in order to get this done within the decade before they start falling down, you'll have to basically replace 400 schools a year. So slightly more than 50, I think. Easy peasy. When do we start? Yeah, they're gonna keep finding it in new places too.

As of an hour ago, they just like, they found it in a bunch of universities as well. And theaters, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,. And theaters, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Shrek the musicals canceled. I saw that. As of an hour ago, Jacob Reece Mog collapsed.

This scandal has taken Shrek the musical from our nation. Is there no more that we can suffer? Right. I'm sorry, Mr. Madlson. The butter has seeped into your staircase, and it's now structurally unsound. It could end up killing people who aren't some kind of Russian dissident. The recommended spend was 5.3 billion pounds per year and then less.

And that's about 13% of a Matt Hancock's pub landlord if you're following along. Just in terms, you'll be able to understand. So, whereas what was actually spent was 2.3. So, not enough. Not enough, but also, I'm sure even less than not enough, because they spent 2.3 billion pounds in the way that the British government spends 2.3 billion pounds, which is like actually a hundred grand of it went into a school.

Yeah. Um, after 2020, um, the department for education released guidance for school workers and how to identify RAC because once again, lunch this screwdriver into it. Yeah, prepare to meet Saigon. Yeah, great. Um, it's like testing if a landmine is alive when you step on it. Well, you can do is take a photo of it and have it.

What you have to do is herd a flock of sheep into the school and... So Jeff Barton, the general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders, told the BBC, I'm quoting here, that while building schools to the future was expensive and overambitious and bureaucratic, it was saying something important that the nation schools needed to be refurbished which is true which is just i don't know if we had to give so much of the money to like capita and then this is the quote that i that really got to me says what we've got today in some of these schools is head teachers scrambling around trying to identify concrete what they should be focusing on children's learning and development so everyone's just a surveyor now, because if you're not, you might die.

Yes. I love the take the people from the town approach. Pretty sure, you have been issued a screwdriver and a hammer. When the person in front of you drops this screwdriver, you pick it up and you keep hammering the concrete. And the worst part is all of the money that they need to spend now to replace that concrete, most of those calls have already spent on vape detectors. So you little have dip in your country do though. Only vape.

Wow. Actually no dip is becoming surprisingly popular now, the teens are buying it. Yeah. Yeah, because vape detectors keep, you can't have a dip detector in a bathroom. You know what I'm saying? Spit it in my mouth. Spit my mouth to figure out if you've got back to class. You know.

You'd have to bring back the official school-peter for the entire decade side of children's math. The school's spit too. Or is there also known PE teachers? Yeah. So I want to go further as this as well, right? Because usually what happens, we saw this with some things in COVID,

is that when there is a real disaster where the conservative party detects that, oh, we actually do have to do something now or we'll get kicked out of office, they will then do it, right? They were sort of buffaloed into doing furlough even though that sort of ended up supporting a lot of businesses as well. They did things. They, their social problems were solved during COVID,

because they sort of had to be your things would fall apart. They were dragged and mischievous about. Yeah, they've never forgiven them. Yeah, but now, right, that they know that they're basically going to be out. They're just saying, oh yeah, this is astonishing. Jeremy Hunt has said, we will spend what it takes to make sure children can go back to school safely, but then clarified later that this would not come

from any additional funds. So, okay. Okay. We'll spend what it takes to make sure children are safe at school, as long as how much it takes is nothing So it kind of is a big role of the dice that it's nothing And if it's nothing we'll be fine looking into it Yeah, very strongly. We're gonna figure out someone else to fuck over in order to get the kids into school

Well, though is what we're gonna do is we're gonna we're gonna make schools in like disused high streets We're gonna we're gonna have like instead of how at the old vape shop or you know the the poundland or whatever Oh charter skills the vape shop It's charter school time Yeah, yeah, we're just gonna do we're gonna schooling is gonna happen in blighted town centers all the all the American old man Gesturing a high street full of Porter cabins going in my day This were all VEP shops and Turkish Barbos You see that Porter cabin over there that will the night club where Vernon came at an FHM I street, aren't we gonna repurpose all the American candy stores?

So basically Oh yes. So basically, if you have to then, if you're a school and now you have to like evacuate your students to another site so they can still, like, students in Britain have barely been in schools in Britain in the last five years. And they're not getting any extra support for like, for Portic Habits. You still have to buy those who are existing budget basically the crisis is being met with the government saying wow that sure does look difficult good luck yeah and sometimes I don't recall saying good luck

you know this this seems of course like a moment of opportunity for the labor party which is also a way to ruin this well the savvy and in the labor party of the kestama qc well west reading has gone on and said we don't know the size of the bill yet so we're not going to commit to fixing all the schools so no matter what uh... that's not all it is impossible in britain if you want to vote for one of the major two parties to vote for the schools not falling down

both parties have agreed that at least some schools should be falling down yeah i think i don't even know what to say that you know that that's kind of like uh... that i think a very basic part of societies that i'm kids have to go to school down go to jail or kid j jail must remain strong. There's a reason why the expression safest houses exists.

Usually buildings do not just fall down. And it's just the government's completely abdicated its responsibility. I'm unsure that the building your kid is mandated to spend most of the day in will or will not fall down. We're taking it to Keshe's castle approach to educate, which I think is a very interesting gambit. Only the toughest children will survive. Only the ones built like that Australian road safety ad with the man who's built to survive car crashes. Like children who are genetically predisposed to have no neck and like weird water sacks

around their all. Well, you got to be like the shortest kid in class. So when the roof falls down is cushioned by the skulls of all the other kids. What's happened as well, Starmer as well as streetings asked for this directly, as was like Mick McFadden, like tons of people have been asked about this, and they have all repeated in lockstep that they cannot commit to repairing all the schools. But Starmer's answer was probably the weirdest and most evasive,

where when asked, are you going to fix all of the schools? Starmer said, we promised a different mindset in a serious long-term plan to fix all the fundamentals. As the director of a public service, I knew that not just money, but reform was also important.

How are you going to reform the schools into not falling down? I was about to start getting a point. Of schools being made out of arrow chocolate, it's something which is a desperate load of reform. I think a lot of teachers need to take a long, hard look at themselves and say, should I be teaching inside this big arrow chocolate?

I think the answer is no, and the solution is not just more government spending. It's also one about taking up the gorilla mindset inside schools and considering teaching in the jungle. We're going to write the concrete panels a sternly worded letter. Yeah. Oh, that'll take you. You're caught, fold down, but so there you go. So, we'll serve you.

This has come back through, there was a recent poll done by Yuga, asking who would make the better chancellor with the Conservatives Jeremy Hunt pulling out 17%. Labor's Rachel Reeves pulling 14%. And then Britain's future chancellor don't know posting 69% hilarious. I'm surprised the most common response wasn't who the fuck is Rachel Reeves because that is the question on everyone's lips. I think. I don't want to sort of read for this full article, but come back coming back to it, right? This is, everyone's agreed that the schools have to collapse. Yeah. Right? The question is how many? Where negotiating how many schools collapse

in the actual, among the people who get to make the decisions as to whether or not the schools collapse, everyone agrees that at least some should collapse. And this is what makes Raphael Baer's recent article, the Torres have failed, the British people do not want a smaller state after all, quite well. I want shoes. You're eating.

This is again, someone who was marched in lockstep against Jeremy Corbyn gave me a heart attack. Yeah, this is the Jeremy Corbyn gave me a heart attack guy. He was going to rebuild the schools. He would have done that. Yeah. He was doing this podcast made us all into her thesis for the dumbest constant race easier in politics.

Well, I can identify every guy. Like I'm like the fucking like the rainbow geoguester guy. Like you name me a guy and I can tell you what the fucked up thing is about that guy. Because as Mieland Kondera said, the struggle of man against government is memory against forgetting. Yeah, in that book,

the unbearable lightness of British concrete. Right. That would be the line of the episode. Yeah, there that book, the unbearable lightness of British concrete. That might be the line of the episode. Yeah, that would be me. So, bear rights. A substantial majority, including the 2019 Tory voters, agree with the view that Britain is broken and people are getting poorer and nothing seems to work properly. Not very much to work, but you know, not even a concrete answer reward in Coimbathe. He goes on, drill deeper into the data and the mood reveals a more profound problem for the conservative

party that has a suspicion of government intervention encoded in its ideological DNA. Which you have to remember, like, all of his friends, all of the people who lined up for a starmer who say, oh, starmer is going to get more left-winging office. Blah blah blah. Don't understand. They have that encoded in their ideological DNA as well they all do and the small state impulse isn't shared by the public as Raphael bear says but it is fucking shared by him because he likes to talk about it but as soon as the pro as the sort of the big state rears its head of actually happening then he's all

just getting heart attack the problems are bad bad, but their calls is a very fucking good. That's fucking right. Let's go. When is the politician ever gotten more left wing in office? Like maybe Abraham Lincoln? Yeah. Well, this is, again, this is the idea of Starmer's going to get more left wing in office.

He's actually going to secretly rebuild the schools. He's just saying you won't rebuild the schools because then the Tories will say, ah, he's gonna spend all the money rebuilding the schools. You can't trust him because then your kids will live, more maybe. Oh my gosh. This is again comes back to like these people consuming.

This is nothing but a game, a horse race, a TV show. He's like, it reality, it is for them. It's just they're not, they race the TV show is like it reality it is for them It's just they're not can they they love the TV show is the difference right and so they love People also do hate kids like Starmer's their comfort character And so they have to do have head Canada about him Which is that he's secretly going to not let the bad stuff from the news happen British media logic You can explain absolutely anything. Like you can be like, well, maybe collapsing schools is a good thing because Shamima Begum's school didn't collapse on her

and she joined ISIS. Think about that. I think they will, they will just wind up going for the cheapest and most obvious solution here. Lots of shoring polls. Yeah. Lots and lots of shoring poles in every classroom. It will look like an Egyptian hypostyle hall of

the orange house. It's gonna look like a cheesecake factory in there. Yeah. It's not just schools, hospitals, universities, these cake factories all. Wheeling, Wheeling, the the gurney through a maze of shoring poles and every all way I'm gonna be awesome All right, yeah, I did yeah, it's gonna be like a slalom Yeah, he said two shoring poles in every kitchen two shoring poles in every garage Yeah, and about about 35 in every classroom. Yeah

Oh, that's a very super sil- uh, ratio. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's so many scoring polls. Children have never been safer. Yes. Well, you can't do a school shooting

because the bullet will just ricochet off all the polls. Look at us. We're all the, uh, the Warren Commission now. Yeah. No. No one is prepared to in Britain in the media to allow themselves to follow things to their logical conclusion, right? Like you were saying, Riles about like everyone agrees that some of the schools have to collapse,

but they won't say that out loud. It's just that everyone agrees that it would be unfeasible to repair all of the schools. Why not? You need all of the fucking schools and you need them to not collapse of the schools. Why not? You need all of the fucking schools and you need them to not collapse on the children. Therefore, however much it fucking costs, you have to repair all the schools. This is basic logic. It doesn't make any fucking sense. Why do we live in this dream world

where it's an option to not repair all of the schools? That, however many schools are gonna collapse on the children and kill them, that is the number of schools that need to be repaired by you. This is very simple to anyone who has a brain. We already came up with a solution. We invited a card of patai. We're gonna install a whole bunch of shoring poles oh wait i'm just hearing from the treasury the shoring poles are too expensive

oh no the children are the shoring poles now baby they're gonna need to stand up and hold the ceiling holding the children they're out less than they're in a stress position holding up the ceiling no It's a stand in a stress position holding up the sailing Feel the bad kids bad kids hold up the school. Yeah, I would have I would have I would have had children Like a god day of Greek God. Yeah, you'd be standing there like Atlas Okay, all right, all right. I think that's about all we have time for today. Bob Bell sings. I go.

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