TRASHFUTURE - Seize the Beans of Production feat. Grace Blakeley

Episode Date: November 30, 2020

This week we want to talk Davos, we want to talk startups with unique raw materials, we want to talk about what all the right-wing conspiracy theories about billionaire overlords get right and get wrong -- and to do that we brought on economist and writer Grace Blakeley (@graceblakeley), host of the A World to Win Podcast (@aworldtowinpod), and let’s just say it got weird. This episode features Riley, Milo, Hussein, and Alice -- hope you enjoy! If you want access to our Patreon bonus episodes and powerful Discord server, sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/trashfuture We support the London Renters Union, which helps people defeat their slumlords and avoid eviction. If you want to support them as well, you can here: https://londonrentersunion.org/donate Here's a central location to donate to bail funds across the US to help people held under America's utterly inhumane system: https://secure.givelively.org/donate/the-bail-project If you want shirts, you can order them on our new web storefront! Get it here: https://www.trashfuture.co.uk/shop *WEB DESIGN ALERT* Tom Allen is a friend of the show (and the designer behind GYDS dot com). If you need web design help, reach out to him here:  https://www.tomallen.media/ Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and Alice (@AliceAvizandum)

Have we all seen what I like to call a clapper Matt Hancock? A clapper Matt. A ruffled Matt. What line of the tube is that on? So, I feel like we've seen Matt Hancock at the moment of his innocence now, that yet another story about him just like giving a bunch of contracts to, in one case, his local pub landlord, and in another case, someone he knew from university. Pre-lapsarian Matt.

That actually wouldn't be clapper Matt Hancock, because clapper Matt Hancock is post-university, and Matt Hancock in that picture looks like every weird, creepy PPE guy that I went to uni with, but they change after uni, because they do all move to clapper, and then they're in infernos whatever time at night, and they definitely don't look like that anymore, because they've kind of, if just, you know, joused it up a bit. It's how they're getting all the ladies. Sideling up to a wide-eyed guy in the toilets, and going like, I actually know a guy who could hook you up with some Charlie.

Stays with the birds. This picture of sort of sort of scruffy young Matt Hancock, and having a drink in what I can only assume is the king's arms, is absolutely pure hauntology. He's wearing a shirt from next, I'm pretty sure. It looks like pajamas, he's tucked it into his jeans. He's got like, he's doing the pose where you like, you kind of hook your fingers into one jeans pocket, because you're not sure what to do with that hand. And he's doing this, a big sport coat worn casually at university.

He is absolutely, this was the moment of divergence. This was the last time he could have trod a sort of a light path and become a non-evil wonk, and yet, he could have joined the big four and become a management consultant. Oh, we will get to them. Can we just scroll back a bit to the Matt Hancock app? I was looking through the other day, like, because I obviously put my phone in the oven, so I was looking through all the- Because I hope you say I use the Matt Hancock app every day.

Yeah, I still have it installed. I'm on weird Matt Hancock. I was looking through all the apps I've ever downloaded to see which ones I needed to download again, and I found the Matt Hancock app, and just remembered how much fun we had with that, because you could just message everyone else who had the app. Oh, do you remember? It was like Instagram. Is it the best thing ever?

Yeah, it was like a lot of the early lefty shit posters and podcasters, they're all friends from Matt Hancock from before. At least the friends read it in leftism. The thing is, I think the Matt Hancock app went downhill after it introduced stories. Hello, welcome back to this free episode of TF. You know what it is? It is Riley Milo, who's saying an Alice, yet again, coming at you with, I think four Pete? What?

I think three or four- Three or four-time guest. Oh, my! Yeah. And a four people. A guest who's been on it most often, and yet is most baffled by your recurring nonsense. Yeah, I think it is the fourth time. It's suddenly, yeah, the third place.

And it is the quaternary epoch. It is Grace Blakely. Grace, how you doing? Hello, I'm really good. How are you? Oh, you know, just enjoying the Matt. Just making our guests puzzle out from the word four Pete. Yeah, that was very, very niche there.

It's all for the Pete. That is right. We do have a lot of trash future house lingo now that we have to explain to guests. Even like off-mic lingo. You guys are serious now. Like, I remember when we just got really pissed at one of your houses. I wouldn't say serious. And that was the first time I came on the show.

I mean, Grace and I were sitting in the huge beers. But we're not going to do that again. Do you remember how bad it was for Nate? I don't. For about two hours. I don't remember any of that. Yeah, I couldn't possibly imagine recording a two-hour podcast. Do you want to know?

It's really funny. Grace remembers the days when there weren't 10-page nights. Yeah, I do actually. I found it weird when Riley's like getting all serious Wait, tell us of the before times before Riley decided to manage the podcast. Wait, you know who's full it is? The 10-page notes. It's literally my ex-girlfriend Emma's fault.

Because once her and Riley were really drunk at a party and Riley was complaining about how the apes are in control of the asylum on the podcast. And she was like, well, why don't you just make notes and make them all read them? And he was like, Emma, that's a fantastic idea. And I was like, Emma, fuck you. So you just brought up your ex-girlfriend again, just after we were talking about how much of a girlfriend guy you are. Yeah, she's such a long ex.

So number one, the notes are to impress the people from the FT that listen. Number two, If you work for the FT and you listen to this podcast and you like it, Riley does want very badly to be friends with you in real life. You just want some like respectability, don't you? You're like everything that was wrong with the Corbin project, trying to like get respectability from the ruling classes by like... We call the listeners hogs, but in fact, it is the hogs who are us.

The hogs are in charge of the asylum some might say. Hold up, hold up, hold up. I've got a startup for us all. Okay. It is called Cyclone. No, it isn't. Infra-fraid it is. Oh, no.

No, but it is fitness related. And for reasons that they want to explain, they can only have Series A investment. Does it replace you with a kind of cyborg that then kills your friends and co-workers? No, that's a Cylon. Sorry, Alice. This is Cyclone and this is the zero waste blank that you will never own. Wait, what? Zero waste blank.

It doesn't exist. Okay. Oh, shit. So you can never own it. Yeah. The zero waste that you can never own. You can never own it. Ever.

Is it zero waste? All of the things that we're not allowed to own anymore. Tars, houses, bicycles. Burgers, Saunders. I have no idea. What is it? I'll do it again. Is it like a piece of like air or something?

Is it like space, like a star? No, no. You can own those. Most of my savings are in those. No, really. You can't have these blank. Well, just not forever because we'll need them back. You see?

Is it this jelly? Have they invented a library? I've got an idea. Yes, who's saying? Is it one single son? S-O-N or S-U-N? S-O-N, like a child. Yeah, I thought I was going to say babies as well, actually.

There's a high waste, though. If you could invent a zero waste child, that would be impressive. So what you do is you subscribe to this service for 25 pounds. And then you... 25 pounds of what? 25 pounds of money. And then... You know, like how often?

You ask? Like a year, a month for life? 25 pounds of money, yeah. Well, that's a bargain. It's a 25... A subscription implies a recurring payment. Yes, it's a recurring payment. As far as I can tell, it's 25 pounds every few months.

About every three months. Okay, well, specific! Every so often. I suppose that... That will come great if you ask you. You know. They said more than all that's around. It's like, hey, I've gone for the money.

It's 25 LBS of money every six to 12 weeks. Okay, I've got an idea. I've got an idea. Well, it's a serious one. Okay, so I think it's still cycling-related, but they rent you wheels. So you have like frames. That is so close.

Oh, really? I would have said that's not like a bad idea. Like, if depending on where you are, that's not a problem. Is it the bike from It's Always Sunny? No, it's think about this. Think about what bike wheels are to a bike. They rent these to you. What?

You have S.A.T. Yeah, shoes. They rent you shoes. It's shoes. As Yossman is to Rick Gatza. They rent you shoes. It's basically a pair of shoes that you will never... If they say...

Oh, they invented a bowling alley. I see. It says you kill clown shoes. You can never own these shoes because they are... You can rent them. You can rent them. I hate owning my shoes. Why can't I financialize my shoes?

I cry out every night. This is so tragic as well because I remember chatting to... I think it was at some random party a while ago and someone came up to me and they were talking about... I think they were working for some big furniture company or some shit. And they were talking about how... You know what?

And millennials these days, they just don't like buying things. So we're doing something really innovative. And I think it's... And they were talking to me, obviously, being like, well, you know, you're on the left. You already appreciate this. Okay, great. You dragged my business ideas on the podcast.

I said that to you in confidence. We're letting people rent their furniture. And they were saying this... Like it was this kind of amazing revolutionary thing that was going to transform people's lives and make everything so much better for the millennials who couldn't afford to buy their own homes because they just want to rent things.

We just like renting. Yeah, I love it. We just love handing over an amount of money at an unspecified interval. Forever. Here's the thing. Crucially, there's not renting. This is a subscription.

It's a lifestyle. That's the difference. You don't even get the security of a shoe-assured tenancy. And instead, you are simply... It's like a blockbuster video used to be. Yeah. Did just get the rate on your shoes go up depending on where you live?

Like, sorry, there's a high demand on shoes. So we surged price your shoes. What they've said is basically, they said, actually, it's good for you and it's good for the environment because we made these shoes out of caster beans. What the fuck is it? Caster. Yeah, it's this.

I know what you get the sugar from. This is so much like... There's so much environmental stuff that is much like eating bugs where it's like, okay, but there were better ways of doing that. You didn't have to do this strange thing of making my shoes out of beans. I wasn't really thinking of like shoes.

Hold up, Alice. They're not your shoes, remember? You've just subscribed. Making the shoes that I subscribe to out of beans. That's right. I personally get my shoes thrown in with Amazon Prime, so I don't know what all of you guys are. So here's a...

Again, we keep coming back to this bit, but by this point, it is just a boomer joke about what they imagine communism to be. Is, oh, in the Soviet Union, you wouldn't eat, you would have to share shoes that would be made out of reconstituted beans. Yeah, that's right. So simply put, they say, it's a zero waste product

with our back loop system in place. Oh, the back loop. Yes. That ratio is new. Yeah, part of the shoe. Back loop is like falling off. It's like human centipad, but for shoes. They say, we're human centipad.

We are able to reuse the material, so no product. And that's right. Yeah. Have you seen the famous South Park? Have you seen the South Park episode? The politics show. Oh my God, babe. Oh.

Look, he was like laughing at me, like I didn't know how to pronounce human centipede. That's so cute. That is how it seems, if you haven't seen that South Park episode. Welcome to the South Park review show, where we talk about our favorite episodes of South Park. This is politics back in 2007.

So a back loop system is much cooler than it sounds. That's good. Today, we have what's called a linear model for the lifecycle of most products, where you have a timeline for a product that says, make use, dispose. We are dreaming of a different destiny for our shoes. If you just make it out of beans,

you can just mush it back up and then reform it with the big shoes. Your shoes will eventually become part of a taco, which is exciting. Alice, yes, that's literally what they do. They melt the shoes down, they make them into more shoes. No, they don't.

No, they don't. No, they don't. No, they don't. That's amazing. No. Yeah. What they're doing is they're implementing. No, I'm not just,

no, I'm not subscribing to wear shoes made out of like formed beans. This is like, first of all, this is like something Jamie Oliver would do an expose on. Like, do you know what your shoes are made of? And second of all, this genuine- The turkey twizzlets of the modern era.

Exactly. Yeah, the turkey twizzles of shoes. This genuinely sounds like something the Nazis would come up with. Like, you know, the really mad Nazi schemes where they were like, we're going to make, that wasn't the right accent. We are going to make

synthetic rubber out of lemons at grave human cost. Like, this is like that. Like shoes out of beans. Like what? I genuinely was not prepared for Nazi borax. My manager, Azumat Hitler. Basically, the reason that this is able to be green, right,

is that they say it's part of the circular economy, which is going to come up again later, where they say, look, all we have to do to make like zero waste shoes is have a system where you get shoes that break after three or four months. So you constantly have to be, have shipping ones back and forth to us

where we melt down the beans. That's going to be my next question. Unless they're being run to you by somebody who is also wearing the bean shoes, like there's some transportation involved there, right? Alice, I assume that's going to be taking care of by Tesla. This is going to be dropped to you by a drone also made out of beans.

They send a guy who's wearing bean shoes to go pick up your bean shoes to drop back off the bean shoe sensor. The idea that like wearing bean shoes reduces your carbon footprint. So instead of throwing out your shoes, send them back to us. We'll be able to recycle 100% of them as raw materials.

And with this continuous back loop, we're able to protect the arts resources. Oh, wow. Stock footage of me shoveling pairs of shoes into a bin and going, if only they were a bath away. Okay. But I don't understand why they need to be recycled. They're just beans.

You could just put them in like your food household recycling bin. Why do they need to get them back? It's like they're like it. Because then they can make you keep paying for them forever. They're selling your shoes to Chiquitos. That's the secret. Yeah.

So the idea here is, yeah, it's all green. It's innovative. We've made shoes out of beans and there are forever. It is actually putting together the two largest bubbles of the last year, which have been green technology shit, green energy and tech. I mean, if you look at like the stocks that have just drastically outperformed everything else,

it's been green energy, pharmaceuticals and tech. Everything else has been fucked. That's entirely what's driven the stock market rally. And this isn't a tech company at all. But it's not actually, well, it's not really a green thing either, is it? It's just like... No.

But this is the same as fucking we were. Like the technology that they're claiming to be based on is crushing stuff into a shoe shape. Yeah. I mean, may I offer the court? Oh, beans, shoes. That's right. Have a further exhibit to introduce into evidence of smack

bomb, pee, wet and Wigan that's as good as shoes. But that's what I find interesting about this, right? Like is that it's essentially a way for... It's a way for a more extractive model of rentierism to just creep into your life in a really mundane and again, the thin end of the wedge is lifestyle, almost luxurious way. Before you know it, you don't own anything anymore. You've just rented beans constituted into different forms.

And yeah, this is one of the contradictions of capitalism because when we don't own anything anymore, it will just be socialism. The socialism of beans. When the tech companies own everything and everyone else has to share things that are rented to them by the tech companies, that will be socialism. That's what Marx said. It's gonna be perfect.

Yeah. It was a footnote in Capital Volume 3, I think. Me at three o'clock in the morning after going home with someone from the bar, I'm sorry, my dick's made of beans. Seize the beans of production. The beans of production. Wow. There we go.

Very good. There we go. On the plus side. Once we finally get to the point in class struggle where the peasantry have to eat their shoes, as always seems to happen, at least this time there'll be some nutrition in them. Here's the thing.

I see good Lincoln finally eat his shoes. This was a really good way of actually getting around the problem of like collectivization, rather than like forcing people into, you know, collectives to produce food to feed the workers. You just instead use agricultural produce to make everything that you could have need, any input to production, just made out of beans. It's just the astronaut meme. Wait, it's all beans, always has been.

The contradictions are resolving themselves in the form of beans, endless beans. Why couldn't they have more beans? Marx did not predict beans. What if those linen coats were made of beans, yo? Oh my. All right. Well, anyway, so that's the bean shoe. I'm sorry, this is completely destroyed the front half of my brain within the first 20 minutes.

I'm just now going to search the entire works of Marx to see if he ever used the word beans. Please do. Oh my God, that'd be amazing. So you will remember like in the early noughties, when the phrase cool beans was a real thing. Oh yeah. It was about this. It was about this.

Yeah. It was about the cool world we could eventually make out of beans. Because all beans are cool, thereby making the cool redundant. Well, these are caster beans. These are caster beans, actually, we're talking about. What is a caster bean? Or caster, I don't know if you're saying that's your accent or actually how you...

I barely know what a caster bean is. It's a kind of small unidirectional rotating wheel, but it's also a bean. That was the first thing to be made out of beans. So here's the thing, right? Let's, bearing that in mind, we've mentioned this thing, the great reset on the last premium episode of the podcast. Great beanset.

About the Netflix business model. Thank you. Right. We talked about that. Also, Marx uses the word beans three times in Capital World 1. You're welcome. I'm going to pause moving along the podcast.

Alice, please tell us about the three times he used the word beans. The cereal crops include wheat, oats, barley, rye, beans and peas. Is this in volume one? Aren't beans technically a pulse? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, fucked up. He got that wrong.

Oh my God. Really, thank you. And therefore... It's not the thing he got wrong. He got that wrong and then 1990 in the Soviet Union. Marx, disproven. Yeah. The worker's shoulders a load of metal,

weighing from 180 to 200 pounds from a depth of 450 feet and lives on bread and beans only. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's all in the end, right? Well, he does that.

Those really long chapters where he describes how shit everything is in England. Yeah. Beans and circuses. Oats, barley and beans are expected to turn out less unfavorably as the wet has benefited them. So again, predicting Wigan. So Wigan didn't exist in 1840.

Right. Wigan is a Marxist concept. That's right. It was no, it was it was created by the Labour Party like a Milton Keynes was in the 1950s. As part of the construction of the very real Red Wall. Yeah. Which was actually a wall.

So let's let's talk about the Great Reset. It's something that's come up, I think quite a bit, not just in kind of lefty podcast sphere in right-wing conspiracy sphere and also just in... A lot of overlap between those two. Yeah. Oh boy. Yeah.

And just generally, it's something that's being talked about a little bit. It is associated with WEF, World Economic Forum, which is a meeting that takes place in Davos, wrecking it for everyone who just wants to go there and chill. I'm going to Davos. This is my favorite of Riley's like impenetrable petty beefs is the idea that the giant rich people party at Davos

ruins an unlawful party. Swiss. Look, have you ever been to Switzerland? I go and I puke in Bolgan Plaza in Davos every year while loudly singing along to Schlager music as part of an apprey. And I really resent WEF for ruining it. Cool.

Like the second most repulsive thing to happen to Davos every year. Look, it's the place where I go and sing, Shatzi shank me on photo with a bunch of like Zurich people. Switzerland is a very weird place. It's very good. I was telling me about it. Trains, good mountains, clocks, otherwise quite strange. Yeah.

Great banking secrecy. Now the bank is completely transparent. Oh, of course. Absolutely. So they've really done a number on you, Riley. Have you been like bought by the Swiss banking authority or something? That's right. Hey, Riley, what's that multi-tool you've been using?

Basically, the World Economic Forum has been meeting in Davos since the 1970s where it was originally convened to fight the problems of stagflation and organized labor. And little has changed. I'm bean manufacturing. They would love that shoe. One guy showed up like, please, my beans, you have to rescue my bean empire.

What's happened basically is that they are a group of sort of political. Bean counters. They're a group of bean counters, political and sort of economic elites generally. So your IMF heads and your big people from big companies and sort of so on and so on and all of their coteries of other sort of demons. You juggalos. Yeah, you're juggalos.

You're jiggalos. They'll dissent. But then also, if you say demons in a funny voice, that's the right-wing conspiracy angle. So basically, what happens is they come in, they discuss all of the problems of the global economy and try to coordinate different solutions to them. It has to be understood how to do cultural Marxism to it, I guess.

Which would, of course, be the right-wing conspiracy. But generally speaking, in reality, it is basically a place where it's mostly just where they go to agree like the marketing messages for all of the sort of horrible brutalization that they're all going to then inflict on sort of various people who don't have much of a choice but to accept it. It just kind of seems like the vine by get about Davos is that it's like, do you remember the two investment bankers in trading places

just kind of making bets with each other? Like this year, I bet we can get them to fucking eat bugs or wear shoes made out of beans. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, a guy renting a pod is just like, I've never been so happy. Fantastic. Very good. And so basically, ever since sort of 2008,

it has very slowly come to the realization that it needs to start accounting for the sort of ongoing... Yeah, it needs to start accounting for things. Everything being terrible. And therefore... That guy from Occupy Wall Street, who made a big show of going to Davos, actually had an effect. That's right.

He had basically a rhetorical effect. He went there and was like, hey, maybe we should do some sustainable capitalism. And everyone in Davos heard him and was like, holy shit, we've got to put a stop to this immediately. Basically, on the one hand, it's this very banal thing, where it's like a business version of an American institution called Alec, which is where right-wing organizations in states

will share laws that have worked in one or the other. It's why state governance in America tends to be so right-wing is that these idea-sharing organizations exist. And it's an idea-sharing organization where people go and say, here's what I did to further extract value from my workers, or here's what I did to pay to train up Google's next generation of coders in Columbia or whatever, and they share those ideas.

Hey, why don't we have one of those? And so on the one hand, it's this quite like, relatively benign thing, whereas on the other hand, the sort of various right-wing conspiracies about it, especially around the Great Reset, which a lot of like QAnon stuff has started looking at. They love a bit of ominous shit, don't they? Like their current thing is a misspelled lawsuit,

which they're calling the Kraken. Wow. So what they're saying, and this thing, you're looking at this thing, the Great Reset, which is basically nothing. It's basically, let's rebrand capitalism a little bit, but change very little. Yeah, do you remember when the US and Russia

had a ceremonial reset button that did nothing? So what they're... Right next to the Brexit button. What they are in fact doing though, what the right-wing conspiracies think they're doing is they're going to create a single digital ledger of every person of everything you do, of every tree and piece of dirt in the entire world.

It's like, dude, that already exists. They think also that like there's going to be... This is where they're deciding all the mandatory vaccination programs. They're going to microchip everyone. Yeah, yeah. And you and... And blue helmets are going to repel into your front row.

However, as we're going to sort of explore the content of what they're actually doing, I think what's going to become quite clear is that all of the things that they're advocating for, A, are things that are just already happening already in the real economy all over the world, and B, all the right-wing conspiracy wing nuts are basically only wrong about the particulars,

but they're right about general themes. They're wrong that no, it's not like there's going to be one major database that WEF is going to control. There's going to be this moment of institutional rupture, but in their great reset of capitalism to focus on things like AI and the Internet of Things and stakeholder engagement or whatever, that's going to require massive databases of everything.

And those databases get more valuable when they're linked together. And who's going to control those databases? It's not going to be WEF. It's going to be Philips and Amazon and the Bean people. It's the socialism of films, right? You correctly identify, hey, I personally don't have any power,

and the people who do have a lot of power all seem to be friends with each other. And then you take a wild veer off of peace and go, ah, that's because they're all socialists or they're all Jews or whatever. And instead of being like, huh, all of these people share a class interest. So these are right-wing conspiracies.

That's fascinating. I mean, it is really, really interesting because it's kind of the opposite of, with the same kind of thrust of the utopian socialism that Marx was speaking at, right? Which was that on the left, there were these ideas that there was a set of people who were in charge of the world and the job of the socialist was to organize people

in order to kind of change whatever constellation of things that you thought particularly needed to be changed. And then Marx's innovation was to come at this and say, no, capitalism is a social system that we can analyze scientifically and historically and trace its development over time. And these are the kind of laws according to which the system works.

And the other side of that is failing to realize the kind of structural conditions that give rise to a set of repeating phenomenon that if you abstracted them from analysis of that system would look like someone was doing something. It would look like there was like a bunch of people at the top who were making this happen and making this happen and making this happen.

I mean, to an extent, well, I mean, to an extent, like there are decisions that are being made that are like shaping the way in which capitalism works and all of the things that we're talking about. They're ruining Davos. Yeah, I mean, there is a level of planning of capitalism which is interesting. But it's not like the kind of, you know, there's...

I mean, I don't even know any of these fucking experiences like lizards at the top. The right-wing conspiracy fear is central planning. Well, this is what is interesting because it's already, to an extent, happening. I mean, there is a form of planning in the sense that there is this like broad system which largely is kind of incomprehensible

and in, you know, unable to be like specifically maneuvered in the ways that many people at the top would want it to be specifically maneuvered. But there are groups of people who do exist in order to plan many of the outcomes that are produced by that system in line with their interests. If you think about like central banks, all the central bankers meet at Jackson Hole

at whatever time in the year. And we get a system where you have like an insane amount of money creation that is being used to prop up asset prices even as, you know, the rest of the economy stagnates and the gap between like stagnant incomes and rising asset prices is filled with loads of debt. Like that, those sets of decisions are a form of planning, but they're not like a conspiracy.

It's a bunch of people who know each other are working together responding to, you know, the internal contradictions of capitalism. Yeah, it's a bunch of market forces conspiring to create a hitman level. Just a bunch of guys in tuxedos walking around under very poorly secured chandeliers. Basically, with all of that in mind,

so let's go through some of the details of this great reset plan that Klaus Schwab... As announced by a man standing... I'm not gonna like, this is the first I've heard of this stuff. I'm really... Trust me, all of it will be very familiar to you because Davos is only capable of doing the same warmed over shit every year.

Yeah, but like saying it while talking, like leaning over a really high balcony and not looking over your shoulder ever. So here's the quote that I'm gonna begin this with, which is from one of the sort of inaugural sessions of planning this great reset. Quote, The best memorial we can build for those

who lost their lives in the pandemic is a greener, smarter, and fairer world. And this was said by Kristalina Georgieva, the managing director of the IMF. We won't be doing that. So if you wanna know, understand what this is, there it is, right there. It's the head of the organization that made it

so that Greece just had to let people burn to death in fires because they made them close their entire fire department saying, we should make the world fairer. But again, this is the problem with just like talking about ideology and language rather than having a much deeper and more meaningful analysis of structures, which is, if you're looking at that, you're thinking,

well, there's a contradiction here between the things that this person is saying and the things that they're doing. So obviously, this is a massive conspiracy. Or you can be like, this person is an actor in a system which they don't fundamentally comprehend, but within which they have a certain set of interests that they're consistently trying to kind of align

with what's going on. And that is what gives rise to that, like, you know. But also both, they're an actor in a conspiracy that they don't fully understand. I personally hate it when the Greek fire department closes. So the Greek forest fires, the Greek Air Force has to get called in to drop plates on them.

The Greek Air Force is by stealth, one of our favorite. Oh, it really is. So I think, like, what I see this as right is essentially marketing. This is, this is, this is essentially marketing. Or lying, if you will. It's different now because I think they really believe it.

Oh yeah, because you think it's fair that Greece pays its debt back to Germany. But it's also fair that, say, everyone gets to have the benefits of AI. No, I don't believe this is an earnest because it's all too self-consciously sinister. Like the reason why I make the, like, the Hitman level jokes is because, like,

by this point, you're just playing up to being a Bond villain. Because imagine, like, these people live in a world which is consistently organized in the way that they have been taught it should be organized. So obviously, you know, the amount of kind of self-awareness that you would have to have, and generally that self-awareness is brought about by, like, there being dissonance between the way

that you think the world should be and the way that the world is, just isn't there. So they are genuinely saying, you know, we think capitalism is the best system ever to kind of, you know, ever for human beings ever to have arrived at. We want to protect it, improve it, make it better. Why aren't these people listening to us? Why are they causing so much conflicts?

It's that, like, you know, that meeting point between liberalism, which is, like, conflict is bad and particularly any form of conflict that involves class. And, like, neoclassical economics, which is that any system can be fixed if you're able to kind of tweak it enough if you're able to get enough information about it.

I still think that's giving them too much credit. I keep thinking about how fossil fuel companies, for instance, knew the broad strokes of global warming in the 70s and, you know, embarked on a, if you like, a conspiracy. You know what, this is going to be, this is quite a niche reference for anyone who doesn't have Amazon Prime. But has anyone watched, sorry, I need to get close to the mic.

Well, who doesn't have Amazon Prime? That's where you get the shoes. Exactly. If you've watched Succession, I think that's actually a really interesting example of, like, how fucked corporations are. Because it's all these, like, tiny, infantilized men and sometimes women who are, like, wandering around,

trying to impress each other, like, desperately trying to construct their corporate empire. They're just putting trash each other, I understand. Yeah, like, this is an example of that. No, you are on the way. Like, you're very serious and important now and, you know, a proper business. And at some point, you know, Riley's going to become the CEO.

There's going to be, like, like, you know, you've got to be scratching each other's eyeballs out to get the CEO position. Who's going to be CTO? I mean, that's going to be the Nate. That's Nate. That's definitely Nate. But yeah, I mean, I'm going to buy a boat.

Someone's going to do a rap about Riley in the hope that it impresses him enough. I'd like to hear a rap. It will, by the way. See, he's already going for it. By the way, we mentioned oil companies, by the way. They are heavily involved. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cool. So I think there is actually, like, I think a lot of the people might actually be coming at this from a very sincere but moronic position. And a lot of people also might be coming at this from a quite sinister position. And the great thing about Davos is they can work together. So it's also possible to do both at once.

So it is possible to, like, contain those two contradictions, right? There are two genders here. There's Matt Hancock and there's Pete Buttigieg, right? So let's go through this a bit. So they are, as we say, all about enlightened leadership. They say some leaders, and this is sort of quoting from some, all their marketing material, because we at TF, we take things at face value because they're evil enough.

Some leaders and decision makers who are already at the forefront of the fight against climate change want to take advantage of the shock inflicted by the pandemic to implement long lasting and wider environmental changes. There's a word for that. It's called the shock doctrine. That's right. Now, if I kept meeting in a very sort of, like,

Illuminati-like set of circumstances that drove conspiracy theorists wild, I would simply not use the phrase enlightened leader. No, that's the phrase that I've used as a heading. Me and Milo are going to bring back the Plato debate that happened all those years ago. Grace and I are going to descend into the cave and have a tussle. I want to be Thracymachus, but because I want to imitate the strong, powerful haunches of a bull.

That's right. They will, in effect. Riley is the strong, powerful haunches of this podcast, if you will. They will, in effect. Thracymachus would have loved having a wrap for himself. Yeah. They will, in effect, make good use of the pandemic by not letting the crisis go to waste.

And so it is involved different leaders, ranging from the Prince of Wales to the Andrew Cuomo to Cuo. What a spectrum. The guy who was like- People with very normally shaped fingers and nipples. The guy who was like, if you're getting COVID by seeing your family over the holidays, it's like eating cheesecake.

Fuck you. That's what he said. Yeah. Whoa. To his own constituents. Great. To quote, build it back better and goes in that direction. Oh, my God.

This is the best thing ever, the build back better thing, because obviously the build back better thing was coined by like left liberals who were like, this is such a clever slogan. We're going to use it everywhere. And the interesting thing about it was like, as soon as it came out, it was very obvious that it was going to be shit and co-opted by the right.

Because what's the opposite of that build back worse? That is not something that anyone's ever going to advocate. If you're coming out with a political slogan and you're trying to use it as like a progressive, you know, talking point, if it is not possible to say the opposite of that thing, it is not a good slogan. It's just meaningless.

So now we're f***ing- Damn, I was going to make that joke. Oh, my God. Are you joking? When you asked what the opposite of build back better was, I was trying to like puzzle that out, like destroy forward worse. Which is what we're actually doing.

Episode title. Call Papa has just been like, to destroy my ass. That's absolutely right. So other major promoters of this great reset include McKinsey, the big four accountancy firms, PepsiCo, every major oil company, Foxconn, every big tech company, and every sort of neoliberal government.

And Bean Shoes Limited. The only governments that are basically not signed onto this are Bolivia and Venezuela. Cool. Chats. Couple of chats. Even Cuba signed on. Oh, yeah.

And also Cuba. But like basic, the only like, unless you're like ostracized by the international community for basically being too cool, you're here in Davos just jacking yourself off in breakout rooms with the head of marketing at Pepsi, all about how you're going to make capitalism accountable. My comparison for this is like a council of Soviets, right?

In that this is what politics looks like when you win too much. And it's just kind of all you and your friends getting together to discuss how great you are. Oh, it's the podcast again. So yeah, also, yes. What the actual sort of economic content of this, though, it is is much more sort of, I think, worthy of attention, which is that the time has come, they say, for companies,

because companies, by the way, is where all the change is coming from. And this is all about how people expect more. Which is ironic because the corporate form isn't really something that is supposed to exist under any, you know, pure theory of capitalism. It's a it's an it's a bastardization of capitalism, really. Oh, I thought we could have good capitalism. I know, right?

If we could have pure capitalism, where we were all individual producers, we could all grow our own beans, construct our own shoes, and sell them to one another, trade them to another. The time has come for companies to combine two agendas. They must use the digital business models and the fourth. I heard there are at least three agendas. Thank you, Joe.

That must be a reference to something. They've been listening to the book, guys. The companies must use digital business models and the fourth industrial revolution technologies. So AI, Internet of Things. I love to use digital business models and fourth industrial revolution technologies. I'm doing that shit all the time.

However, they must also move towards something called stakeholder capitalism. Oh, I love this. Awesome. Jacked it into my face. That's why you're here. Wait for a bunch of vampires to be advocating this. Very good.

And so basically, they say they want to do things like find ways to implement that circular economy from that stupid bean shoe into everything that all companies do. But also... Oh, man, Riley, you're on some fucking Nobel Prize-winning author shit today. There's like Chekhov's gun shit in the start of the episode

that's seemingly irrelevant, but it actually thematically comes back. You know, the microcosm is reflected in the macrocosm. How long do you think you've been planning it? I would give you a first pass for this essay. It really is. And the reason why the Matt Hancock was there was because what we're going to find out at the end

is that he won the competition for like best costume at Davos last year. Yeah. And it was as a young man. Yeah. So basically, right, they say, look, we need to implement things like the circular economy.

We need to make sure we're paying the right amount of taxes in certain jurisdictions. Never mind that those taxes are then going to go to them pay us for our services that have been privatized. Paying the right taxes would be taking a step too far. This is, you know, talking about things like making sure that, I don't know. To be frank, they did actually say...

Paying enough tax to not get yelled at. They did actually say one of the proposed metrics whether or not that gets taken forward was the tax you're paying in certain different jurisdictions. There is, of course, a catch to that, which is that all of these metrics that the great reset is recommending, because again, they're trying to account for why things are bad

and market sort of neoliberalism as being good. Without admitting that any of the cause is a bad. Precisely. Is that all of these metrics were written by a group that included Ernst and Young? Of course. Well, I mean, this is all based on ESG criteria, right? Yeah, precisely.

Yeah, like, so, you know, there's this idea and this is typified by when the Financial Times comes out and says, capitalism time for a reset, which is obviously where it comes from, like the great reset thing. And it is all about like how... And this actually does function. It's very interesting, this whole,

this discourse, which the Financial Times kind of brings together and then communicates in quite a compelling way, that there's a kind of, you know, it's appealing to the idea of the self-interested, enlightened elite, the platonic enlightened philosophy. Which is, we're just throwing the word platonic around now. Because it doesn't apply to anyone in this group. We are, yeah, that's right.

Any of the relationships in this group. There's nothing platonic about this podcast. It's all, it's all intercruel sex all the way down. I've got, I've got Roddy's thighs oiled up as we speak. It's true. That's absolutely, I'm trying to pass on to him, my warrior spirit. So, but we, what we say is that they are saying,

look, we know, A, we need to automate as much as possible. We need to drive as much as possible by AI. That will allow everything to get more efficient, therefore more environmentally friendly, therefore more circular. However, while doing this, we also have to make sure we're doing stakeholder capitalism. Otherwise, there's going to be like five guys that own everything

and they're all here in this room. And then everyone else will be, you know, I don't know, shot onto the moon or, you know, quietly killed or turned into shoes. Yeah. Yeah. And then those five guys in the audience say, yeah, and that's bad wing.

And because like I said, remember, it's the big four accountancy firms who routinely help all these, all these companies. Like EY helped Wirecard invent 3.5 billion euros last year. And they're here like, we're going to write the ESG metrics. That's really fun though, that whole story. Because it does, I mean, this is obviously where the philosopher kings of the bourgeoisie have decided,

look guys, you're all like basically fucking high on your own supply. You need to chill the fuck out because we are destroying ourselves with our own greed. We're going to end up with a form of capitalism where like five firms own everything. And therefore like five, 10 guys within those firms get to plan what's produced, what's innovated,

where it's distributed alongside like, you know, their friends and colleagues in capitalist states all over the world who are doing the same thing. And they're kind of realizing that, that is not sustainable. Also, that's not sustainable. Ten guys in the public landlord. But also it makes you very vulnerable.

They won't get invited to the IZY chat party. Well, exactly. Well, the IZY chat party is going to be only five people at that problem. That's just not an orgy. That's like a whole pee or whatever. That's a podcast. So the thing is right here,

so they say this is their issue, right? This is what they're trying to advocate for and share knowledge about. And like I said, this process that they're advocating for and sharing knowledge about is going to give rise to all that bad stuff that they're right when conspiracies are so head up about.

It's just, it's going to give rise to it in a very unusual way. So they talk about, right, we're going to drive social value through technological development and stakeholder engagement, which I love to do, by the way. I love to do that.

I do love to do that. Yeah. Yeah. However, do all of this nonsense buzzword shit that's just disguising all of this sort of evil that they're not doing at least advocating for. And again, the only reason they're not doing it is that WEF has no independent power.

And it's important to remember that at no point does Schwab, WEF, or anyone actually define any of the terms they're talking about. Value to them is just a black box. This is like trying to dictate policy at the white party, right? Like it's, it's just a place where people go to talk to each other.

You know what's really quite creepy about it though is that you were like, oh, they don't have any power. It just reminded me that there's this thing called like the WEF global shapers, which is people who are on a side video. Again, they love ominous shit. Would it kill them to be not ominous for five seconds? It's our new line of lycra underwear.

It's very good. It doesn't show under a tuxedo or dress. Dancing into a perfectly round drum and banker. That's right. But like they don't even, it's worse than all of this because it's a network of like young people as in people under 30 who are like changing the world. Here's what they, here's some,

some interesting things that they say they're trying to do, right? So what's is, I'm interested more in this fourth industrial revolution stuff because we know that stakeholder... I found this manila folder titled Project Arcturus. So we know that stakeholder in ESG capitalism is bullshit. It's just basically putting the same wide in new bottles.

Like it's, there's nothing different about it. It's, they say, oh, you have to... The thing that you already feel very strongly about. Of course. So they say, they say things like, oh, we have to move beyond measuring GDP or we're going to be stuck in short termism, which is like a 2016 Hillary talking point.

I mean, the interesting thing is about it is that they're talking about contradictions that exist within capitalism within different sections of the bourgeoisie. And the progressive element of it is basically like the non-rentier side. And the allegedly right wing element of it is like, you know, just the,

not even the like massive investment banks anymore, just like the fuck off asset managers, the like ridiculously extractive tech company. BlackRock also heavily involved. Yeah, exactly. So like that's the divide. And it's hilarious that like liberals are constantly taken in by thinking,

well, of course we should side with the nice half of capitalism. A, the half that's going to lose and B, like not achieving any of your goals in doing so. If you all agree that you're going to measure something other than GDP, how did GDP come up? Why did we start measuring it? Who's it useful to? Simon Kusnitz.

That you measure something like gross national happiness or which is something they actually propose. And how do you measure the happiness? Interestingly. Well, obviously everyone has to be microchips. EY is going to like introduce a new graduate scheme for Vibe consultants. And those Vibe consultants will go to Davos.

Nevertheless, all of these things you might find because we are looking at a set of activities that is built on a fundamentally exploitative building block of either the owner and the renter or the manager and the employee or what have you. You're going to look, whatever you measure, it's like trying to change the nature of a steam, of a locomotive by blowing the steam a different direction.

It's like trying to change the nature of a shoe by crushing it up into many different bean juices and reconstructing it. Trying to make Chile out of a shoe at this point. What this thing, the fourth industrial revolution they're talking about, this is where a lot of the sinister stuff comes in. What were the other two that I missed?

There were three. I mean, so there was... I did one of those in GCSE history and then the other two just passed me by entirely. There was electricity. There was... I remember that one. There was the steam engine

and there was like computing and shit. Yeah, I think it was the first version of automation. Sort of post-fortis, but pre whatever this is now. Yeah, when you had like ticker tape machines telling you stuff. Things of that nature. So basically this thing, right? They say it's all going to be about bringing information into databases and linking those databases together.

And those can be public databases, such as one called common pass, which they're really into, by the way, which is an electronic global citizen record that shows your vaccination status that will allow you to travel. Ooh, creepy. Yeah, right?

Maybe the... So I'm feeling so normal about this one. Who's in charge of that one? Bill Gates. The Gates Foundation does love it. The Gates Foundation is super into the digitization of people's citizen citizenship, essentially. I mean, at some point, when you've got everyone's like,

you know, you've got a record of everyone's whereabouts, their like DNA, their vaccination record. Presumably you could just like exterminate everyone, but humanity would still exist in your nice little ledger. That'd be very, very easy to control. We talk about these things like common pass or citizen folder. All of these things are massively, massively favored by all the WEF people, right?

And they're massively favored by sort of a, sort of quite liberal or right-wing governments. And they're massively favored by companies because the idea is once we just create this asset of everyone's data, then we can bring it up into management and then sell off the management of it. And when we're done with it, turn it back into beans. You could...

I mean, if you had the asset, you could leverage it. You could use it to generate more assets on top of assets, on top of assets. And we all know how that works. Collateralized being obligations. Well, in this case, collateralized citizen obligations. Nice. I like the sound of that.

Deportation futures is such a cursed bit. This is what the bean thing is about. It's a metaphor. Collateralized citizen obligations are... We are the beans. We're crushed up into the shoes for the giant people who will wear them to Davos. And then they'll be crushed up again at the end of Davos.

In those shoes. 20-foot-high chickens. But right. So you look at this, right? For example, they love their sort of relationships with with like, especially Columbia and Rwanda are two countries where like, WEF has built these... The two genders.

WEF has built these... WEF and people associated have built these sort of large lighthouse projects of like trying to liehouse in Rwanda. It's landlocked. It's a corporate nonsense. And the idea is they said, oh yeah, here we've now digitized everyone in high school and we're monitoring them learning how to code.

And then if they code enough, then they'll get something that will let them work for Google. And that's how we're doing poverty reduction. Because everyone should work for Google. The one guy who goes from Rwanda from working to Google will have to support everyone else in the country. So essentially, right? Along with Tony Blair,

who's already supporting Paul Kagame. The creations of the of lots of these different databases to access all of these services. And then as a reward, you get like what a little stamp that says that you've done something or you get all the vaccinations that you might have got as normal. But this time, you know, there's a little folder that sort of recorded it for you.

And then you think about linking those databases together and you ask who's going to be controlling how this information is shared and used and analyzed and so on. And additionally, right? Then you look at how this is happening in companies because companies have the exact same incentives. And it's not just tech companies. PepsiCo, General Electric, fucking Walmart.

All of these are also information companies now because they're trying to build in the internet of things and the heavy automation into their entire supply chains. And so then they're saying, okay, well, now we're going to have to create digitized asset registers of everything we touch and everything that's relevant to us so we can continue feeding that into AI models and automate more machines to sort of do those tasks

much more efficiently over and over time. And of course, we'll need fewer people to do this. However, they're all and what we've given them is a ticket to get a coding degree on Udemy. Here we are once again, where every trash fuses episode ultimately ends, which is at the declining organic composition of capital. Indeed.

This is essentially a big marketing operation and if you like sort of initiative coordination operation for the replacement of labor with physical capital. With beans. Can you tell me what happens? What happens to the rate of profit when that happens? I believe. Has a tendency to be awesome.

Subject to potential counter tendencies. Tendencies have become beans. It tends to fall. Oh, no. Oh, no. That's not good. Someone should have looked into this. So I have a few of the of the examples

of how this is being carried off because they because they're again, proudly sharing these accomplishments and doing these kinds of things. They say, for example, a large consumer goods company is replacing 90% of its field sales force with digital remote interactions supported by data for digital remote interaction.

Well, basically they're turning everyone who works for them into influencers and thereby doubling workforce productivity. Wait, are you joking? Is that what is that what that actually means? So they have to like post whole. I know. Sorry.

That was another another similar company, a Chinese cosmetics retailer that has repurposed all of its in store advisors. This is the step into the Callaway of fire. Oh, my God. So for example, a DHL say they have enhanced human capability. I love what they call their employees humans. Again, so fucking ominous.

Everyone's saying these things is wearing an enormous narrow jacket. The flesh of our employees is weak, but the structure is strong. So if one cog were to fail, we could simply reconstitute it from being. Hold up. Is this the third reference?

The third reference. Or is this just a generic German thing? Is this a what reference? It's just nothing. So it's just a guy. It's just a guy. It's just a German guy, right? It's a German guy.

So here's the thing though. I think it's a deep voiced guy. Enhanced that human. My German guy is more like this. They have enhanced that human capability by giving everyone Google glasses to vision pick products resulting in employees. Vision pick also known as picking.

Envisioning the cardboard box full of unsold Google glass, one meeting, and in a hitman level. And then all of a sudden every DHL employee has Google glass. Again, the structural forces here are not that opaque. But the best part is that this is so that they can benefit from real time instructions. So you can attach a camera to your employee

and Google can fucking get rid of the Google glass. Or this is for Americans in the audience. Kaiser Permanente, one of the big American health insurers, is partnering with a charity called Unite Us to create a program called Thrive Local. Kaiser Permanente is the name of every Argentinian, dude. A network to connect healthcare and social services providers to millions of consumers across the United States.

Almost as though what they're doing is creating a large, just a large centralized ledger of everyone's, not just health, but social services needs. No, I mean, this is, I know what Kaiser Permanente is because it's like held up again by liberals as this amazing, innovative private sector organization that as an insurance company, slash healthcare provider, has a genuine interest in the people with whom

it is providing insurance for them to be healthy. And so this is like the best form of capitalism. It's not called Kaiser Temporarii, eh? Kaiser short termio. Yeah. No, it's just like, it's creepy as fuck. It's creepy. And this is like the peak of what liberals

can imagine as like the best form of capitalism is that you have an insurance company that wants you to stay alive because if you don't stay alive, it will lose money. Well, because it's, it's fundamental. And what's why I find very interesting about this, right? Is that all of the assumptions of underpinning what they're actually doing is this. And yet what they're pairing it with is not just this ESG rhetoric,

but they're also pairing it with heavily quoting Rutger Bregman, who, if you remember. Who I had on my podcast class straighter. If you remember from last year's Wef. Can I just say before we started that like, we reached out to Rutger like a year ago to ask whether he wanted to come on Trash Future. And he was like, his agent was originally like, yeah, he'd love to come on.

And then a day later, he was like, yeah, we've listened to your show. And I feel like he doesn't want to come on. Yeah. He's heard a bit about what if a Swedish man was Italian? Yeah. And he was like, no thank you. He knows nothing about Yu-Gi-Oh! And he was afraid of being shown off.

Yeah. Now, nonetheless, they are heavily, but they heavily quote from him. I actually genuine. Do you want to hear something really funny about Yu-Gi-Oh! I, when I was younger, me and my brother had little like decks with Yu-Gi-Oh! cards that you attached to your arms. Remember that the Yu-Gi-Oh! things used to come out of that? Oh, wow.

We used to battle each other with them. You had the jewel discs. Oh my God. Yes, the jewel discs. You had the jewel discs. Oh my God. I know, right? I'm sad about that.

I had a Beyblade Arena and that's the closest I could go. Oh, awesome. I remember those as well. Beyblades were so good. Amazing. We should talk about this more in the game. We definitely talk about those as well. Yeah, We Brace Blakely is like my favorite type of Grace Blakely.

Who knew? Nevertheless, just sort of bringing us through to the close here, right? Which is the idea of having this conversation overall, right? Is to say to you, the listener, armor yourself with contempt for this kind of language. And make that contempt out of beans. Because this is going to be what the Democratic Party under Joe Biden or what the Labor Party under Keir Starmer, this is going to be what they offer you. What they're offering you is they're going to say we are going to make companies

report on all of these sort of social governance environmental metrics. We are going to say, I don't know, have loans from the Green Investment Bank for the circular economy, but that's going to be stuff that these people support. That's going to be at best the bean shoes at best. No, the best scenario is that this is a lie, right? The best possible outcome is we say we're going to do this, but actually we won't. And we'll keep doing the same evil shit we were doing before. The worst outcome is we actually do build the database that like harvests all of your

fucking information. And that's why I think it's not helpful to look at, say, even conspiracies around this and dismiss them out of hand, because they're only incidentally wrong. They're only wrong about the specifics of the expression. They're right about what's really going on. It's also worth pointing out that conspiracy theories at this stage of capitalism are very much... I mean, I don't know if it's right to say functional, but they're certainly derived from the analogic of the way that the system works.

Because I mean, we've entered into this stage of what they would call knowledge-based capitalism, quaternary industry-based capitalism, where it has become the responsibility of states to make sure that there is a workforce that is educated enough. So reproducing a certain portion of labor to allow it to perform the duties that are required in this incredibly complex system. And for all the people who are excluded from that process of kind of education in order to make them fit into the particular kind of cogs of the professional managerial class, there is a sense that things are fucked, but a deliberate attempt to prevent people from

really understanding what's going on. And also that combined with the kind of just the complete removal of any like authentic links of accountability between most people and like the institutions that govern their lives. Obviously, you're going to think everything's a fucking conspiracy if you have like no idea how the system, which is objectively exploiting you, works and also you're not able to hold those people to account. This is the thing that bugs me so much about the sort of the Biden-Boosa judge thing about like fake news or conspiracy theories or whatever is that like, you don't get to get on that

high horse if you have done enough actual conspiracies in your time. You can't cry because you got what you wanted. You can't talk about conspiracy theories or Diana for that matter. No, we will find out the truth. That car was made out of beans. I mean, what's interesting is that like the anxiety of every single person like involved in this is kind of like it comes from or every single group of people like it comes from the same place, which is that like it's this inevitable understanding of the system as it is

is basically going to collapse or at least it's kind of like failed beyond like any sort of meaningful repair. And the difference is like the way in which like these groups approach it. So when you talk about like conspiracy theorists, these are people who kind of understand that, yeah, like the current system has failed and like there are no material gains from it. And the answer must be that there are like people right at the top that are benefiting from it who are getting the material gains because why does it keep reproducing? But then they'll kind of go towards like, well, these people also

have eyes wide shut parties in Davos and like there are like children involved and they all come in wafer in wafer cabinet. I don't want to go to the pedophilia olympics, okay? But then if you kind of like compare that to the people at the party who like, I mean, look, number one, I definitely believe that there is an eyes wide shut party happening, but it's like the most boring party that you can imagine. Or there's a networking event. I got the gold medal in the giant throwing.

It's like a suburban fancy dress party which like is trying desperately to become an orgy, but there are like too many middle-aged men who are just really tired. They're just exhausted and they don't want to be podcasting. In this case, they're far too busy essentially just living their entire lives as university application essays. Right. Well, at the same time, burning down the world to get the privilege to do so. You can tell when you read the report, but also in just like even the podcast that they've

put out, but like they've sort of understood that like, yeah, the system as it is is not working. And like we can't keep kind of prescribing the same stuff. With all of that in mind, right? I think you can be sufficiently contemptuous of this kind of thing and also sufficiently understanding that like the people here are not working in your interest. They basically don't care about you if they say they do, they're lying and they'll co-opt the people who tell them otherwise.

So, you know, fuck them. Also, they're ruining Davos. Yeah, that's right. That's the main thing. And that's a wrap. And anyway, so I wanted to say, so firstly, thank you everyone for listening. And thank you to our guest, Grace Blakely, the host of a World to Win podcast. Oh, look at that little plug.

Yeah. Thank you so much. Which you should check out for also other podcast time that you have to listen to. It's the best horny podcast about Playdose Cave that I've ever listened to. I've listened to them all, folks. That's right. Milo has gone on a sort of vision quest to listen to all the horny podcasts about Playdose Cave that he could find.

That's right. Mine was the best. Yeah. And Grace's was the best. Well, I could only enjoy the shadows of those podcasts. Of course, obviously. Yeah. And also, yeah, thank you for listening.

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We'll talk about some stuff. I'm not a little something. Yeah, we'll fucking bring in some new options to this. Where's to give you the shirts I'm currently wearing in exchange? Well, yeah, because we're going to print. Well, no, we'll turn it back into beans. Yeah, that's right. Our shirts are made of beans.

I assume your shirt's made of beans. Of course. We're going to put it. Well, beans are the universal commodity. Of course. That's like, that's the money form. Yeah, they're like conch shells or like cigarettes or, you know, gold. Well, you know, I mean, it's that it's that special commodity

that contains in it the value of labor. Beans. That's right. All right. Thank you, everybody, for listening. Theme song is Gin Sang by. Nope. It's here we go by Gin Sang.

Oh, get it. The theme song is beans. He's all flustered now. The theme song is beans. The theme song is beans. You're beans. You're listening to beans. That's right.

Small beans. Thank you for listening to beans future. And we'll see you next beans. Yeah, that's right. Goodbye.