TRASHFUTURE - Somewheres, Anywheres, Sex Nerds feat. Bryan Quinby

Episode Date: February 5, 2019

Another week is upon us, and that means another Silicon Valley company has reinvented loan sharking. Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), and Olga (@rocknrolga ) reached out to someone with extensive knowledge in how payday lenders screw over the poor: Bryan Quinby (@MurderBryan), host of Street Fight Radio in Columbus, OH. They discuss a loan-sharking payday lender for your rent, and the liberal fixation on books like J.D. Vance’s “Hillbilly Elegy” and its British equivalent, David Goodheart’s “The Road to Somewhere.” These books are bad, don’t worry, but they’re also deeply invested in the idea of valourising reactionary tendencies as natural and good things. Which is why we gave them the Trashfuture treatment. The article Riley references by Tom Whyman is here: https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/yp7m5v/how-theresa-may-understands-people-as-somewheres-and-anywheres. A friend of the show was in a car accident in the US and needs funds for surgery. He has an amazing Patreon that you should sign up for: https://www.patreon.com/EminemObama Please bear in mind that your favourite moron lads have a Patreon now. You too can support us here: https://www.patreon.com/trashfuture/overview *LIVE SHOW ALERT* We have an upcoming live show -- with comedian Josie Long -- in London on February 21st at the Star of Kings (126 York Way, Kings Cross, London N1 0AX) starting at 7.30 pm. You can buy tickets here: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/trashfuture-live-ft-josie-long-tickets-54546538164 *COMEDY KLAXON* *COMEDY KLAXON* On 13th February at 8 pm, Josie Long and a number of other comics will perform at Smoke Comedy at the Sekforde (34 Sekforde Street London EC1R 0HA). Tickets are £5, and you can get them here: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/smoke-comedy-feat-josie-long-tickets-55036156626 Also: you can commodify your dissent with a t-shirt from http://www.lilcomrade.com/, and what’s more, it’s mandatory if you want to be taken seriously. Do you want a mug to hold your soup? Perhaps you want one with the Trashfuture logo, which is available here: https://teespring.com/what-if-phone-cops#pid=659&cid=102968&sid=front

So Milo, I heard you have some Russian bullshit. Yeah, so I was doing a preview of my new show last night, Shoutouts to all the trash boys who came along. And as a result, I posted about it on my Instagram and I was getting some Instagram messages from some Russian fans. And one guy sent me a lot of really bizarre messages, including some jokes that he had thought up. But the most bizarre part of the message was that he said something along the lines of like, oh, what is it? What is it you speak over there? Were you speaking English or American? He's like, to be honest, I don't really know what the difference is. I was like, those famous languages, English and American.

Hello again, and welcome to your free episode of TF for the week. My name is Riley, as it has always been. You may remember me from every previous episode of this podcast. I'm joined in studio by Milo. It's me, your boy speaking English and American Olga. Hi, I'm Olga. I'm so sorry. I slept with your brother and calling it all the way from Columbus. We have Brian Quimby, one of the co-hosts of Street Fight, the number one anarcho comedy show on every station across the nation. Brian, how you doing? Hi, how are you? How did I do the intro to your podcast? Well, see, here's the thing. I can't do it. So I would have to refer. I will have Brett listen and grade you as soon as this comes out. We'll see how I did in the Street Fight if I end up

battered and bruised or if I ended up victorious. I will say that you're probably the only other person I know that can really do it well is Will Menaker from Chapo Trap House because he's done it. He's the only other person that's done it. I can't do it at all. I don't know how I make my living doing radio because I can't do radio very well. See, I mean, to be fair, we stopped doing the intro to this podcast because Riley couldn't say it right. It's hard. People think like, oh, well, you know, that's probably the easy part because you're just repeating the same thing every week. But Brett does that for two minutes at the beginning of every show. I just sit there and stare at, well, I look at my phone now. We've been doing it for eight years, but I used to just

sit there and stare at it. I'm like, holy shit. That looks hard to do what you're doing there. You can remember two minutes of stuff. Yeah. Shit, man. I mean, the problem with mine is ours was a bit of a tongue twister, and so I would always stumble over one of the words, and then I would just completely fuck it up, and then I would comment on the fact that I'd fucked it up. And then it came to the point where it wasn't even about getting it right anymore. It was about how is it going to be wrong this time? And so now I don't even say the whole name of the show about sex. That's I was going to say it's just like politics. It is exactly like politics. Like, damn, sometimes I think maybe maybe politics is just

getting it wrong on both sides. Please hire me as a newspaper editor. All my losses was lessons. Indeed. Here's a CV of how many times I fail. So what I have for us today as per usual is just a collection of some of the worst elements of our garbage modernity that have sort of hoved into view. Can you stop? I'm right here. One of which is a startup that is going to claims to solve the housing crisis of well, America, but presumably the UK wore it to expand widely enough. So that's good. It's also funded to the tunes of hundreds of millions of dollars. And then I kind of wanted to talk about the British version of the American book, Hillbilly Elegy, which is basically the story of why the social conservatism of the working

class is a natural be extant and C means that we everyone needs to get more racist if you want to be progressive. If you want to be my lover, you've got to get racist. Thank you. Indeed. Indeed. So let's start with Domuso. Now this is from Domuso's website. Domuso's full stack payment solution improves property operations and offers residents financial flexibility, happy property staff and happy residents. Full stack payment solution sounds like something Soulja Boy would have. Absolutely. It does sound very rap. I was reading it and I was like, I thought it was just an English thing. And then I read, as I read a little bit further, it was like, wait a minute, this is like out of like San Francisco or something like that.

Well, it's as this will become clearer and clearer, this is, we'll see this startup is going to be solving a very San Francisco problem, which is, which is basically what seems to be just around. It's difficult to pay your rent, but not for the reason you might think. I was just there and that place is expensive as hell. I could like I've been in New York and LA and like Chicago and I was shocked by San Francisco. It's like, holy shit. It's outrageous, isn't it? I once paid $10 for a bottle of beer in San Francisco. We have that all the time here, but they, I paid $4 into a parking meter to park for an hour. Like it costs for one hour. Like here in a parking meter, it's $1.20. If you can find

one for three hours, you can park. And I was like, holy shit, they want me to put $4 and quarters in this thing. So this is going to be the price of things podcast now. I mean, Brian, just get really angry about how much things cost now. I've even tried to buy a pint of milk recently. I mean, shit, that's what Hillbilly Elegy probably really should have been. It's just a guy saying like, boy, I went to New York and think it costs $40 to park my car and then he's real mad about it. It costs $40 to park my car and then there were a bunch of people that look different. Horrible. Hillbilly Elegy is just one of those

hat comedians that talking in New York about how much they hate LA, except it's a hat comedian from like the hauler talking about how much he hates New York. Yeah, hate cities. Oh, I hate the goddamn city. Yeah, that's true. They, they, I mean, you know, I mean, it's, people are always trying to run me over on my bike in London. So I kind of, I kind of get that. But at the same time, it seems like a lot of enemies. It seems like in most towns, there's nothing to do. Can I ask, like, I hate to take you off track already, but no, go for it. Is London like in Columbus, we have bike lanes and we have everything's like, we have like a pretty good infrastructure for biking, but everybody in cars still really fucking hates the people that ride bikes.

It's exactly the same here. Yeah, I don't think everyone in cars hates the people that ride bikes. I think like, because the thing about London is that like a large proportion of the streets are like, a lot of them are just like, I don't know, like 50 meters long and two meters wide. Like they're sort of tiny and old and stupid. There's also like cyclos super highways that are really, really good. They are, but it's like, it's, it's like, we have some bicycle infrastructure, but also we have some ancient eight-way infer, infer intersections that are like full of different kinds of trucks going different ways. So it's a, it's sometimes Frogger and it's sometimes Gran Turismo. Basically. Yeah. Cause people like, if, if I see, I'm not this way

anymore, I trained myself not to be, but you will see, if you watch the person in front of you, when a person in a bike is in front of them, like I've seen, I, they, you're screaming, they're waving their arms in the air. I've seen people lean their heads out the window and say, come on, get out of the way. And I'm like, Jesus. That's if you go, that's if you go outside London, where people are like full insane. I remember, I used to like do, I used to be on the cycling team. I've never seen a bicycle before. Okay. What is this device? And we used to like, sometimes you'd be out riding in the countryside and someone would like almost kill you, like driving past you at 70 and give you like a foot of space

and would then stop to shout at you. And you're like, no, I was going to shout at you man. You were the one that almost killed. What's going on here? Who should be shouting at who exactly? I've seen a lot of those too. I've seen the biker yelling at the dangerous driver and the dangerous driver yelling at the biker. Those are my favorite fights cause they're, you know, probably both wrong. It's like, ah, you could have, you might have dented my car with your skull. Someone should do a podcast about it. A street, a fight on the streets. Right. So, uh, so Domoso over 40% of Americans are renters and 60% live paycheck to paycheck. The largest monthly expense for most families is rent and like clockwork, it's due on the first,

late on the third and notice in the fifth. This transaction is inflexible and impersonal. I mean, you're just like, yeah, yeah. This is, you've got it. That's right. You've, you've just hit the nail in the head. You're almost, you're almost got there, baby. Come on. I believe in you. Damn. It's tick, tick, tick. Yeah. They say, okay, most are renters. More live paycheck to paycheck. It's the biggest possible expense and it's quite like there are enormous consequences if you don't pay it properly and they looked at that problem and they were like, I think I've got it. We need to make the transaction smoother. Well, we need to make money. Lube me up. We need to make money as always like with debt. It's always

like if there's somebody that can't afford something, there's always some enterprising capitalist that's like, oh, if they can't afford it, then they'll go into debt and we can make money off of fucking debt. Yo, boy. Well, me and, me and Brett actually just, I don't know if this is a big company in, in the UK. It's called a quick loans. Is that like, does that ring a bell to you at all? I think it's one of the many payday loan companies. There isn't like a single dominant one. I think there's quite a lot of like, there was longer, but then despite the best efforts of James Ball, it closed down or at least went into much lower. Pouring one out probably. So on this week's street fight, we actually talked

about quick loans as a, it took out an ad on Facebook that was arguing to bring back debtors prisons. Oh, I saw that. What? No. It was fucking, it was the craziest thing about it to me was that it wasn't, it was an ad. It wasn't like an op-ed in a newspaper or something like that. It was like a sponsored post on Facebook about why we should bring back debtors prisons. Amazing. So basically instead of having most people rent, we have most people in cars. Yes. Where you don't need to pay rent, problem solved. You're welcome. That's what I call disruption. What's amazing is that they're not even lobbying the government to do this. They're just trying to build like grassroots support as if they're going to get like a fucking movement of people

taking to the streets going, we want debtors prison. And they call it responsible borrowers justice is actually what it was. That's my new Marvel film that I'm writing. Oh fuck. Just imagining the ad like, are you trying, are you having problem paying your rent? We've got a solution for you. Have you tried the panopticon? It's like, aren't you tired of watching your neighbor drive around and flashy cars that they can't pay for and you're paying extra on your loans because of them? And it's like, no, nobody even fucking like ties that together. Oh wait. No, you could totally get a groundswell of support for that in the UK. I was being naive. People hate their neighbors so much and they really hate people. They think have things that

they shouldn't have. Nothing a British dad hates more. Oh yeah. You know what this is? This is just the privatized version of the like welfare queens or benefit queens thing where it's like credit card queen. Yeah. You hate credit card queens throw them in fucking jail. It really is a credit. It's like when we it's like that old Fox News graphic that shows like, you know, poor people in America have a refrigerator and an Xbox usually and it's like, well, I mean we think you gotta have something. Where else do you keep your Xbox Fox News? So this is this. We sort of prefigured what Domoso is actually offering because so far it could just be an app that lets you pay your rent. It's literally the plot of sorry to bother you.

Almost. And wait, the debtor's prison or Domoso? The debtor's prison. The debtor's prison. Please don't move. So I cannot pay my rent. I need a loan. So Domoso's full stack payment solution goes beyond moving money from A to B. It's also a Greek restaurant, but back to the startup. That's Don Musaka. It's different. As a modern FinTech partner, our vision is to empower people with new payment flexibility and better payment options. COO Michael Lightfoot told him. Shut it down. They say about light feet, light fingers. COO Michael Lightfoot said, our vision was to incorporate credit in a new way. So we build out a mobile centric direct lending arm that allows borrowers to pay their rent and installments if they miss a payment

or if a major life event gets in the way of making rent. Like you go to prison. I'm in debtors prison in the UK. I've got debt in a lot of places. I'm sorry, Michael. So Domoso charges variable interest rates depending on credit checks and data analysis that obviously definitely doesn't tell you how they calculate that. I'm sure it's never just the highest one each time. Those rates are in the same ballpark as credit card rates according to the company. Oh, credit card rates, that famously reasonable rate at which you can borrow this like twenty five percent annual or something. Domoso allows local renters to take out six or twelve month loans and an average annual

interest rate of twenty seven percent to avoid paying late fees their landlords or risk losing their homes. Wow. How is this legal? Capitalism? Yeah, because basically any scam against poor people is legal. That's the easiest way to get something legal. So like is it going to rip off poor people? Oh, shit. Well, let's let's make sure that's out on the market as soon as possible. It's like it's like it's like you could just say, yeah, I have a I have a business to make sure that the wallets of the poor are arranged in an optimal way. So what I'd like to do is get the powers of the of the police to go and search poor people's wallets to inspect them if you like to ensure that everything is orderly and you could almost certainly do that.

Hey, Motherfuckers, it's Auntie Olga here and I'm here to tell you scam rich people. They have money. I know, I know, but they don't come off of it. They don't come off of it like broke people do because I'm a broke person based. I mean, not not as broke as I used to be, but I'm still like kind of paycheck to paycheck. And it's like I fell for every one of these tricks in my time. So like I the only the only like poor persons I did payday advances. I did like high interest loans. I did pawn shop. I sold video game systems. The only one I never fell for was rent to own. And that's I don't know if they do that over there, but it's basically like you could pay like $60 a week for a TV many times how much it's worth. What is is not only do we have that over here.

It's a company called Brightbox is the most famous. The Queen actually is a shareholder in it. See here at least the rent. I rent my television. It works perfectly well that gold piano. Maybe she's on a rent to own plan. It's like 20 bucks a week. At least at least the people that run the rent owns here. Scuzzy like Hulk Hogan is like the spokesperson for it here. I would love to see the Queen pouring that gold piano like the one thing I've learned. You never know what's going to come through that door. Right. Are you familiar with the gold piano? I did see the gold piano. I saw the picture of the gold piano. I don't know how I mean like I know there's nothing you can do about it, but I don't know how you're not pulling your

hair out every day because there's a Queen there. I just I'm mad every day that Donald Trump is our president and I know there's nothing I can do about it, but I just I can't imagine looking at that Queen living in that that fucking mansion and just being like, why? Why are you? Why are we letting this happen? It seems like it's such an obvious solution. Just take it. Yes. Also on a similar note, Donald Trump would totally fall for a rent to own scheme. I've got an excellent deal on a piano. Okay. The Queen of England told me about it. It's going to be fantastic. All right. I'm going to learn to play it. I've trained a dog. The dog is going to help me play the piano. You can ask anyone. You can ask people in Philadelphia. They've got dogs, cats,

whatever you want. Elephants, actually. Okay. Thank you very much. Next question. He's kind of a I mean, like it sucks so bad how how like the like the horrible vile things he's doing because if he was just one of those presidents that didn't do anything, he would be great. That's who I would want to be the president is just a guy that I can make fun of regularly. So I remember there was a president that was only in office for like 28 days, didn't do anything, just famously quietly died of pneumonia because he didn't want to wear a coat giving his inaugural speech because he thought it would make him look feminine. Yeah, I do love that. Hey, man, you know, you guys have a thing about coats and shorts and the cold and

he's going to kill us all eventually. Oh, no, absolutely. Absolutely. There is like I was I was standing on a train platform the other day and I saw a guy it was in our version of the dead of winter. So it was like, I don't know, chili and so and I just saw a guy with a with a long ponytail wearing just a t-shirt and cargo jeans, no coat that just said fluent in sarcasm and I was like a t-shirt that says fluent in sarcasm is the ultimate thing to wear in winter with no coat ponytail, five pounds a week. We it is. Well, yesterday it was minus 20 here like good with the wind chill and stuff and that's a cold lad and Fahrenheit isn't that yeah Fahrenheit and it's that's colder than minus 20

Celsius. That's true and it's I'm now I'm buried in snow, but luckily it's going to be 57 degrees Fahrenheit here on Sunday. So global warming. What the fuck? Do you see do you see Rachel Maddow be like, yo, it's really cold? What if the Russians attacked now? Of course, of course, just to start with you. That rules you didn't say you that rules so cool. That rules so awesome spent. She's so fun because do you remember when she spent a solid like two years talking about Chris Christie like closing a bridge for yeah traffic. I was like Rachel Maddow show is basically the new New Jersey traffic report from two years every day. Rachel Rachel Maddow is live brain worms traffic and weather together.

She's just talking to Johnny Sack going watch you couldn't get married in Brooklyn. It's cool though because like it's cool because she like took she's making so like you can make a ton of money as a pundit if you're just willing to ignore every real thing and make stuff up every night like you just find a thing because those liberals the people that watch MSNBC the truth is they want to hear about Russia all day and all night. That's it. I love yeah that's a funny thing that it's like it's actually cold be scared of the thing that is but they're like oh it's cold. Russians are attacking. It's weird because I think that like people who are are moving to the left are becoming a lot less

patriotic. I mean I think the country is I think the United States I think is sort of starting to like slide slightly more to the left like the over to windows moving to the left which means that we will get less patriotic because you know patriotism is fucking stupid and like so now they're having to try to figure out a reason why we're less patriotic and the only thing they can come up with is like the Russians make these memes and it makes them crazy. America they're asking Elon Musk what he thinks of that technology. It's very upsetting to Elon Musk. So steering is slightly back on course on back of Domuso critics have said this looks like applying the payday loan model to housing critics like us for example and like people who

have read our terms and conditions have said people in Silicon Valley who wrote that's read that same exact sentence sentence were like hell yeah yeah sign me the fuck up so it's like critics in public and us in private and said that we're applying it and also those who have praised us have agreed that that's definitely what we're doing so they they wheeled out some Stanford finance professor called Jonathan Burke who said the Domuso platform seems like a good thing. The reason is simple quote if you have the loan then you can stay in the house. Whoa. It's too easy. What a slogan. It's too easy. He said to look at the interest rates which are enormously high and say people are being ripped off. Burke said but the data shows people

tend to use it in cases of emergency so if they don't use it things would spiral out of control. See that's not true though because with payday advances so I did payday advances for like three years four years straight just every week I had to go to the payday advance place one night one day I pay off my loan the next day I can come back and write another check and then like I got through that cycle and yes the first time I did it it was for an emergency but then like the next time you do it it's because that money that you paid back came out of the money that you had to pay like for other things so you have to write it again and again and again and like traps you in this cycle of just doing it over and over again and they fucking know it and yeah you're

willing to you're saying that payday loans are bad there I well you see now I always say like I would love to uh I would love to outlaw them but I know that had they outlawed them in the time when I was getting them it would have been fucking devastating to me like I don't even know what you do to get rid of them unless you just offer some sort of like people offer people money to get out of the cycle because it could be pretty devastating to people if you outlawed them I think well you know what we did in Britain the payday loans offered by our sponsor certainly don't so well we we actually did something in Britain where there are several non not profit making lenders so it's like there's what's a couple called street uk five lamps they're also

they're basically sort of set up and backed by the government and it is a non profit making payday loan so instead of paying thousands of percent interest you pay you know like bank of England like not bank of England base rate but not much more than that and what it actually that is how you take people out of that cycle is you offer those services and then you fund them enough so that they're basically being offered as a non loss making social good it's right but like so many things the answer is political not we need an app right and the laws here uh they the laws and at least in Columbus I don't know the laws and the rest of the country I think they're like wildly different with every city uh there are actually cities here that have outlawed payday loans

so like there's people that don't even know about them that were like surprised about them when me and Brett started talking what used to talk we talk about them still and uh the the law there is a law here against them letting you make payments like smaller payments to catch it up because even if you could do that if you could say look I'm trying to get out of this cycle and quit using this thing can I pay smaller payments to catch it up so that I don't have to keep writing a check to do this again they'll say no that's against the law in Ohio you you have to pay it all every two weeks if so like they've even just made it so much harder to get out of that cycle that it seems like like it bumps me out because it seems like a problem that is almost impossible to fix and then

to do this with your rent which is generally your biggest bill is just that's that's going to fuck so many people and they he concludes lightfoot concludes with the rental market likely to remain tight and with millennials opting to rent rather than buy lightfoot says the network effects for more widespread adoption will likely make domuso the future of rent did I have I talked on the podcast before about when I was in california over christmas and uh we met some people who will remain nameless who were telling us a sob story about how their daughter and her husband had bought a like a three apartment complex in san francisco for a sum of around two and a half million dollars which was a discount from the market rate because it had two rent controlled units in it

and they'd managed to evict one of the rent controlled units for renovation but we're really upset that this retired couple who lived in the other rent controlled unit were basically unavictable and they were like it's just not fair we want to live in all three and I'm standing there and I'm like I don't know maybe maybe your kids are like incredibly rich and should be grateful that they already like have they own three apartments and have access to two of them and like they don't make violence small enough for the fact that they can't evict a retired couple who definitely could not afford to pay the rocket rents and who have lived in that flat for 35 years like I've talked to everybody I know in san francisco like all like I you know I hang I met

brace belton pispik granddad I know him and and greg and uh a few other people and they all live in like the way that they live in san francisco is in rent controlled apartments because you you just can't live there unless you're making I mean even the computer people can't really afford to live there now I have a friend I have a friend who lives in san who moved to san francisco from berlin to work in uh to work in computing stuff of some kind and he lives in a weird sex coven because that's the only place he could find oh like they have like a bracelet system of red amber green all the time you could have just said sex coven I feel like the weird was unnecessary and so he lives in a judgmental he lives in a house of like sort of I think 10 to 12 people

who are but who are all like very sort of you say mindfully polyamorous with one another so we basically had to mindfully I can hate that I'm sorry right it's terrible nerd and so sex nerds are the worst people in the world can we get an app for that though to organize the polyamory so he he's not even a sex nerd it's just he's the only place he can find a nerd who now he has to live in a polycule he lives shut the fuck he lives with 11 sex nerds though which sounds like absolute that is my hell is like living isn't that what big bang theory is about always right a bracelet god the nightmare of even finding yourself around one sex nerd is the worst thing in the world but 11 of them and living with them is that's got it he's probably got those swing

what do you think is like the proportion between actually having sex and talking about how monogamy isn't realistic well I I always think like they're they're telling you like what they're in like because I used to hang out with this guy who who he's a total like sex nerd he was always having orgies at his house he fucking nerd well every time you went to a party at his house it would turn into a fucking orgy and and I would just be like I am out of here this is like not my kind of thing you care for the tostitos and then he he would he would he was at the time he said he was opening up an adult bookstore and that he was going to different video stores and buying like porno movies like in massive like amounts and taking them home and just keeping them at

his house and in his living room his living room was full of porno and sex toys and it was the worst and we don't hang out anymore so amazing good I I want to start an adult bookshop but the only sell stuff like fucking Gore Vidal and like and then when people come in there and I'm like what you're saying a child could read this I think not good day sir you don't sell these for something kinky Thomas pinch oh man did you say when I read this earlier it struck me that it said that was a twenty seven percent interest rate on these loans was that I misread that nope yep nope that was correct that was what was written down that I found on the site they didn't even try to hide it they were like yeah it's twenty seven percent yeah because they're

because the press because they feel like you should be punished for not being able to pay your rent like they're so basically what they're doing is cutting your rent up into little or pieces that you can pay in smaller pieces but be constantly in debt and close to eviction is that am I getting that right it seems to be yes but don't forget what that guy Burke said which is if you have the loan you can stay in the house because you know that's that's the thing is like this is why this is why this is a real sort of like a thinking to thing where it's like all of these this problem has an obvious solution and their solution has several obvious problems but they've just like like always they've just thought so hard they've turned themselves dumb and they're just so hard

and come so far anyway yes you think so hard you turn yourself into a moron and or at least you have you appear like even if you're getting rich because you're you know you tricked everybody you still have to say dumb shit and so it's like they've clearly just they there's like yeah of course if you have the loan you can keep the house it never says what happens if you can't pay it well I mean you get kicked out presumably and then all of a sudden your rent just eats up all of your income and I you know what you can afford your rent you have food no but you get skinnier you don't need as much rent you don't need as big of a house you get evicted and then they repossess all of your stuff as well so like you're on this street and they're like I'm afraid this

carbo box is a property of demuso now it's a it's a lot of make girls it's getting Marie condo done to you not asking for her to come and do anything to you in fact does this apartment give you joy well it doesn't matter because it's being taken away you're gonna organize your house by moving you out of it forever yeah it like sounds like um it's sound like rich guys that come up with stuff like this to me always sound as though they're like you're lucky I'm willing to give you money because you're poor so you need to just take it because they do I've I've seen and I don't know if this is honest or whatever if these people are like on the level but I have seen payday advance people talk about how great of a service they are to people in in the communities that

they're in and you're like no you're not you're fucking taking advantage of a desperate situation every single time but they see it the other way as in like well I'm taking a lot of risk these poor people I mean they can't afford to pay these back and I'm giving them the money and it's like that is like that's profiteering so I think a lot of these people convince themselves that they're doing something good or because I can't I can't personally believe that people are that evil I guess it's like when the landlords association say like well without landlords where would anyone live yes and by the way and in my head it's just like by the way I rent because I want to but like I do know that most people I know that rent really want to own something it's

not like they're sitting around being like boy I really love renting it's great I love not owning the house I'm paying for well also like it's a it's due at the tenure as well like in continental Europe like rental agreements tend to like be very in favor of the tenant they're like they last like up to a decade you can like have stability you can like actually raise a kid and and and rented accommodation there in Britain you totally fucking can't because like your your your rent will go up by like 50 percent year on year and so you have to move constantly it's incredibly it's horrible yeah a ten year lease would fucking rule oh my god I'd never heard you have so many rights you have so many rights like in Germany as well like you have tons of rights over your

landlord yeah I pay I I have I have to re sign a lease every year and they raise the rent every single year there's never been a year where they didn't raise the rent they don't do anything to the house or or work on the house or anything but they raise the rent like 50 bucks a year no that's so cool of them yeah I mean you know it's that it's it's it's unit is it's a way for you to show your appreciation yes yeah well just and it also shows I'm like one of these lucky people who I rented when the property values were a little lower here and now they've skyrocketed and I just know that they would love it if we left you know so they could charge another thousand dollars a month for the rent which is that's that's what happened to a lot of people

in San Francisco and stuff in fact that's a that's a nice segue to our our next segment where we are going to discuss the hillbilly elegy versus the road to somewhere it's my favorite musical our both of both of our country's sort of terrible books that are trying to explain the sort of right word turn in both cases to some kind of general cultural malaise now Brian you said that the hillbilly elegy guy actually lives in your town and is one of the people driving up the rents right so the hillbilly elegy guy his book is about Middletown Ohio which I spent some time there when I was a roofer we were working that I sound like such a hillbilly when I say like that I was a roofer and I spent a few weeks in Middletown

Middletown is just a it's sort of a suburb it's not it's not a hillbilly neighborhood it's not it's not like the holler okay like it they have a mall there they have a wall they have every convenience of a city it's just not a major city and it doesn't have like a hipster neighborhood basically is that like that's so like uh but he moved to Columbus recently he lives like right in my neighborhood which is not also hillbilly but the the thing that the thing about hillbilly elegy that sort of that makes me fucking crazy is he's a guy that ended up going to Yale and moving away and like he's writing this book as as a guy that's above the people that lived with them like I'm writing about these people but I couldn't be around them and I left them and I

don't like them you know it's like in in the United States when they write a sitcom about the Midwest it's always written by somebody who left the Midwest because they fucking hated it and it's the hillbilly elegy is kind of the same thing it's a guy saying like oh look I grew up around these animals and I studied them and I know what they think now so basically the quick quick overview is this guy JD Vance wrote a book called Hillbilly Elegy that like people like like morons like David Brooks who like like to talk about how you know high school educated people are afraid of prosciutto or whatever like these weird cultural explanations for poverty JD Vance was like look here's why the white working class is poor because

yeah they were economically devastated but they have this hillbilly culture where they like to blame everyone else for their problems and that meant that when the jobs left instead of pulling up their pants and learning to code silently like me JD Vance except he learned to law um they they basically allowed themselves to their families to splinter so they were their absentee parents that that's where the opiate crisis is coming from that's why these places are basically filling up with deaths of despair it's because it is it is these people's fault but all the bits of the of the white working class that he likes are basically is like yeah but we have to really we have to respect their religiosity their nationalism and their sort of

commitment to tradition more or less but this is all before we had demuso can't make the rent on your moonshine still well you know what he is this is it's basically hillbilly elegy is about and i this is the second time you mentioned him in two episodes hillbilly elegy is basically a book all about the guys that michael hudson posts more or less yeah well it's that's actually like the hillbilly elegy thing seems to me to just be like uh lower working class lower middle class people that this guy just doesn't understand you know that that aren't into the same stuff that he's into so and he thinks he's smarter than that i think is is really what that that book about book is about because it's he that i i don't know the people he's talking about uh

that are framing as these like great characters are are really they're the normal ones around here and he's he's the fucking weirdo i guess yeah it's that when i think that there there's this drive to like that that in order to be normal or at least to be accepted as normal by the various sort of you know like elite idiots that make up our culture you have to have all these elite educational pedigrees and you have to um and you have to sort of be like accepted by the media and you have to talk a certain way and so on and so really what happened is david someone like david brooks or like the writers the national review they look at someone like jade vans and they're like ah finally a normal one yes finally one one we can understand having a normal one yeah finally

there's a regular guy this authentic regular guy because he's just not from new york or something it's like wow do they really do they have cars over there it's like it's like it's like when bart simpson is like yeah and and rand mcnally hamburgers eat people and people wear shoes on their feet on their pants rather the jd and jd vans actually stands for just doing normal guy stuff so now what we also have what i've sort of got us here is uh what's really i've noticed is the british equivalent now that's from a couple of years ago but with all of the sort of um culture warship that keeps rearing its head in britain over whether it's the furor over churchill or the furor over churchill when i was an easy choice really churchill every time

it's a pretty stark a stark choice dad god damn it um or or stuff about like ah there it's illegal to be british now they'll lock you in jail if you're british and so on people don't know brian people say that actually all the time it's illegal to be british you say your english there's a there's a great old steward lee bit about that that's very good the that's their pc police we have it too it's illegal to be patriotic over here it's like uh yeah yeah my son went to my my son uh got busted because he saw a flag on the ground and he went and held it until that could be disposed of properly and it made him late for class then kamala harris came and just machine gunned his parents huge right so um so our version of that is by a guy called

david goodheart and it's called the road to somewhere the fuck up light foot good heart it's a real theme in the name his last name is good heart yeah good heart that's not real hart that can't possibly he's the son of a of a of a titled tori mp and then also he's the scion of the leeman brothers banking family and he's going to tell us all about the white working class in britain damn i i mean the leeman brothers banking family have done so much for the world i mean that is true they have done so much yeah yeah that will leave it at that we'll leave it there not to be confused by the leeman stepbrothers produced by his leeman brazzers

you've you've made the whole financial system crash i'm gonna have to promise you stepmom all right wow pepper if you're listening make this movie pepper i love you i wanted to tag her into a tweet so badly yesterday so basically yesterday i was like porn wouldn't even be possible without woman and some guy was like what do you think you know more about porn than me and i'm like surely the fucking porn stars in it know more about porn than you asshole you probably should attack pepper also also would just like to say to everyone when i was 19 years old i wrote a college paper called let's talk about sex and it was about how much i left porn and i got an a minus in it huge right cool

this has been the olga cock grades report i'll go in up to her professor and she was like well i haven't done the paper but maybe we could come to some other arrangement socials foundations three baby what's up no this is that's what this is this is we decided we are no longer sticking good papers on the fridge up at home no what we're doing is we're waiting like what the better part of a decade and then talking about them as as on a podcast as a tangent that's how we're sharing our pride in our academic work today all goes essay is going to be the long read on the bonus episode so tune in for that yeah welcome i'm gonna do riley's kami book club all goes essay that she got a good grade on perfect everyone's gonna love it no tomorrow i'm gonna record a

kami book club i think about either the new mark fisher book or a book called state of insecurity it's going to be very good stay tuned anyway so the basic premise of this book is that the key fault line in british politics is between two groups that good cart calls the somewheres and the anywheres and just like all sort of popular political fiction top well it is called a fiction but popular political writing it's embarrassingly written and it's completely fucking stupid and he's leaving out the other key group the rhododams the other key niche beautiful south reference for he literally says the other group that is neither a somewhere nor anywhere are the in betweeners oh wow oh i've seen that show them this guy's furiously wanking in a public toilet

so to be fair they are kind of an out group of society like you can't really put them in either box so let's talk about the somewheres the somewheres are socially conservative and by the way this comes from an article this this summary some of it comes from an article by tom wyman on this book which will link in the description because it's quite good socially conservative and humanitarian by instinct somewheres have rooted ascribed identities based on group along and in particular places they feel uncomfortable about many aspects of cultural economic change such as mass immigration the reduced status of nongraduate employment and more fluid gender roles so yeah they're they're mad that like people are trans now basically

yeah that i don't think i even i don't think that's even fluid gender identity so you got fluid gender roles that's literally like women being able to leave the house we haven't even got to the trend to like them be i imagine when the somewheres here that some people are trans they're all going to explode wait so they can only be in the house half the time the crazy thing to me is and i mean this may be like a really basic question but like people keep talking about like how immigration as if immigration is a new thing immigration has been continuous forever literally think of any decade in uk's history or us history there's constant immigration during that time what the fuck are we talking about fucking angles out that's what i say

fucking angles coming over here with your with your pride like pre german dialect when i walk around my city my city i want i want to hear a kind of gaelic language anywheres by contrast are those who could come from anywhere footloose are often urban socially liberal and university educated moreover for goodheart they are always born somewhere and then move anywhere but where anywhere is almost overwhelmingly London no he is he's fascist dr seuss essentially where it's like i think fascist dr seuss was dr joseph mengelay no oh goodness um right so that's show me the lie that's kind of what where we are with with him that he basically thinks that um there are some that we that there is these there are people who are rooted

in place and then there are people who went to university and aren't rooted in place anymore and that what we need to and that our politics have been defined by the anywhere types for so long that the somewhere types are sort of rearing their heads back and they're getting so mad that like um there are people who aren't speaking english or who look a little bit different that they're gonna do fascism but we have to respect them more so they don't this book is so bad that it's almost impossible to to discuss because like the the sentences you have to say to explain things that he says in the book are like maddening dr seuss shit like i'll go ahead and say like well if you're born in somewhere then you go somewhere else and then you become in anywhere

and the anywhere's are always born somewhere but the somewhere's never go anywhere because they're somewhere just like there are three types of people people who stay where they're born people who move and hemaphrodites all right so uh this is i have a few sort of choice quotes from various reviews articles he's written in so on little little snippets um that's david goodheart on himself i became an old atonian marxist in my late teens and early 20s yes how ridiculous especially as my disaffection was probably triggered less by empathy for the wretched of the earth than by the setback of failing to reclaim my place on the cricket team after he had getting ill it's beautiful isn't it yeah i mean hashtag relatable yeah so well he did well he what you

never'd learn about starlin is that back in georgia he was actually on a very successful cricket team after a short illness right so um this is this is something i sort of noticed i actually i noticed it in us journalists as well who are trying to cover the the left needs to get more racist bit because that's basically what the thesis is here um is that they always say i used to think like you i used to be i used to be a leftist myself and then he's like yes i went to eat and i was angry that i didn't get onto the cricket team so i read carl marx the ultimate about it carl marx hated cricket it was too it was too complicated it was a bourgeois affectation he was a speed skating guy so he says i never felt comfortable as a privileged leftist the

inauthenticity was too stark um maybe perhaps because his leftism was rooted in being angry about cricket yeah perhaps that's where went to the inauthenticity dipshit wait sorry those kind of people not welcome on the podcast because i have a lot of angry thoughts about cricket is the worst sport ever invented yeah and david goodhart loved it actually you know baseball might possibly be worse but that's that's a lot i respect i respectfully the kind of comic book kind of thing where he was like i was born into a villain family why was i pretended to be anything else if my parents were villains i'm a villain too that's literally the subject of every like every villain like plot line in a comic book isn't it it's like runs through that comic book about the

middle ages my parents were villains i'm a villain wait it's like james franco in the toby maguire spiderman wasn't he like best friends with peter parker and then he was like sorry my dad's a baddie so now i'm a bad so in he started a prospect a sort of center left magazine i tell the guys who just came to me talking about comic books what's up i mean i think a lot of them some of them either came or a lot of them are now probably writing very very angry tweets being like oh comics are supposed to be a safe space for men and then i mean referring to a character as james franco as opposed to the name of the character i think really turned everyone oh yeah absolutely she's just going to get her boobs all over them if you're going to deal

a massive blow to my masculinity at least have the decency to say bam or pow afterwards or don vido uh don vido thinks he's enjoying a comic book but actually it's just all good i have no idea what that's a reference to a feeble of bam keep up okay so in 2004 good art wrote an essay about the tension what he called the tension between diversity and solidarity based on what he thought was the uncontroversial assumption that people are ready or to share societal wealth with people with whom they think they have something in common instead i met with the intolerance of the modern left for the first time subsequently i've grown used to being accused of racism even by my own children nice your kids hate you that's always

the best place to be that's how you know you're right is when your kids but this is like endemic on like british reactionary journalists because like yeah good hearts one of our like 15 percent of our our country that's a columnist which is something that felix always points out britain's all columnists um but we uh that they all are hated by their kids all every single one of these people has a column where at some point he talks about how like their kids hate them one person wrote into a letter for advice into the spectator which is like our main reactionary newspaper um that they have an old a neighbor who's a delightful old raconteur who loves to do impressions of other

races is a party trick and that is and that how do we make our children be respectful oh i love calling that a party trick as though like everyone's like how does he do that were you in the circus sir because i all columnists kids hate them apart from jiles corn because jiles corn's daughter loves him almost as much as she loves the world world one yeah and jiles corn is busy hating other kids which is how it balances out jiles corn is going to like like burn you and then fuck you yeah if you're a child again a thing that this guy actually once wrote which is insane our columnists are all mad just in case all of our listeners didn't already know that they're all completely insane yeah maybe we should stop making them all do lord no more day

long i mean this conservatism basically all of the at least in my experience is like people hate their grandparents now that that's just the way it is at least here especially with trump since trump was elected like kids just hate their grandparents because they're horrible and like it just stands to reason that if you're a conservative your kids are going to fucking hate you because you're you're stupid yeah but it's it's it's that the either it's your grandparents your and your grandkids hate you or you're a grand a grand kid and you're acting like grandparents yes and so you're wearing like blazers and bow ties all the time and telling people to google venezuela and saying that you hate saying that you hate your generation that is

that's the most pathetic thing that i think i see is when millennials are like oh fucking i wish i was born in a baby boomer it's like why they fucking suck yeah what do you want to do do do you want to turn a hose on civil rights protesters like why do you want to be born then you dumbass oh wait this but that political opinion is literally just a youtube comment it's like going on like the full album video for dark side of the moon on youtube and commenting i'm 12 and i think this music is the best music ever made i was born in the wrong generation if i could i'd invite invader rock twice well with john bolton gets his way we probably will so what creates anywares the uk university system is what david goodheart really blames here

he says that the uk system means that going to a decent university means moving away from your hometown usually to university and then usually to london and so you're likely to have few if any nongraduate close friends university also confirms the kind of social status in which liberal attitudes support for economic and cultural openness and equality of most kinds are part of the ethos differentiating anywhere students from the mass of somewares and that this has gone on to define our political culture with things like the human rights act and then gay marriage like legalizing gay marriage damn it's almost as though progressive opinions are more common among people that know things it must be a conspiracy like he's literally like oh everyone

who isn't a dumbass disagrees with me and there must be a conspiracy behind this but even then it's like he just assumes that like going to university like necessarily makes you more progressive and sure maybe it does but like all of the people who are like charging our country headfirst into fascism all did ppe at oxford and a lot of the people who are resisting our country's charge headfirst into fascism just like spent their like teens and early 20s in like trade union movements and stuff and so i think what he's really done what goodheart's doing here is he's basically do he's basically read a bunch of like daily mail columns about how like universities are making it illegal to like be vegan because it's cultural appropriation from india so then

you don't know what you're mad at anymore or whatever and he's just written that into something that's book length yeah essentially that's i mean it's the it's that's how you get that book money you you get a stress hey dude you've got sweeping generalizations hell yeah yo we can't be fucking with goodheart's money right now a short book or a very long tweet um what's the name of the book the road to somewhere so basically the other thing to remember right as a lot of britain really fucking sucks like it's not unreasonable to want to leave it no it's like genuinely most of it really bad not good at all yeah that's what i feel like because because i often say this fully half the audience of this podcast is american i feel like a lot of what we do is try to convince

them that britain is mostly bad yeah people don't realize like how eight mile a lot of britain is at least in aesthetic if not in like literal violence like that literally lots of people live in caravan parks yeah there's like swathes of essics that are just caravan part like it's terrible yeah and it's it's it's there's grinding poverty everywhere i think and this thing all get earlier you were like none of these like none of these are problems that the people have are caused by the things that they think are wrong it's like yeah there's been immigration forever but it's interesting it's only really been a huge problem since britain had to start dealing with it's like postcolonial malaise it's like or and then it only really ramped up into

the psychotic levels of problem when britain started dismantling its entire society in the 1980s and 90s it's like ah interesting it's almost as though it's almost as though we're basically pandering to a kind of game of three card monti that's been played to get people mad at black and brown people and now we're saying that you're an elitist if you try to you know stop them some fucking nonsense yeah i i always try to explain i'd like try to explain it i i argue with my father-in-law a lot when i go over because that's his favorite thing to do is yell at me because he knows i'm uh he knows i'm a leftist because of the podcast you know he knows kind of what i do and uh the the every time he starts yelling about college where he's like these people

go to college and then they come out these crazy uh you know communists or whatever he thinks they come out as it's like so you don't think that maybe the fact that they spent four years sitting around and like reading about stuff and examining these things might have like just made them made them more thoughtful and made them change their minds it's that they're being brainwashed it's not that they have like done the work they've done the legwork and worked through all this stuff and then discovered in the end like oh this is the right way it's just that they're like waving a watch in front of your face and making you like a like a in a hypnotism thing but they come out of colleges in america and i went to an american college is in depth and

when you're in that much debt you're gonna become a fucking marxist unless you find out about don musa that's the thing it's like that's the other like element of this right because in this in the uk if you like graduate university now thanks to the fucking coalition and to new labor you also come out of university with quite a bit of debt living in london a ridiculously expensive place to live and so goodheart expects us to believe that that like if you're that the person sharing like a five room like a five room like like a five room flat with six other people who's like paying out most of his income and rent to work in like a pr job is somehow well there's an orgy in his room somehow is somehow more privileged than the person who stay who stayed

in the town and is already like buying a second house at the age of 25 because they just did a job that has good money attached to it like where like instead of attacking base in inequalities goodheart is saying that post liberal politics actually what they have to do is keep all of these inequalities because you can't change capitalism you can't change the drain of society out of like the uk's forgotten bits but what you can do is you can pander to the cultural interests of the guy who's owning two houses by the time he's 25 because he still lives in a smaller town that's what you can do yeah it's like the same thing we were saying about like that brexit film portraying like all these like noble savage like poor people like in these like

Essex towns outside London and like I'm from Essex and like it's full of people who are rich as fuck they're just willful filestines like they're not like they're not like short on cash they're like people who have like two ice white Range Rovers with number plates that say like babe and the governor like the two gender I have no exaggerated much yeah and so um David Goodheart basically thinks that we need to create a post liberal politics to pander to the somewheres that is going to heal our societies because also notice never these conservatives say heal our societies or come together they always mean do what I say it always means that it's it's it's what a coincidence what a coincidence that that's

the case right so they want to heal the white people in our societies at the expense of everybody else oh yeah so who wants to hear what he has to say about gender rules oh always excited to hear these guys talk about gender what's that what's that the vein between my toes you want it slammed into you brownest of the brown liquors all right so um uh among somewheres the belief that men and women are equal but not identical and that some sort of gender division of labor in the home and broader society remains popular Goodheart argues for many more mothers to stay at home and work part time reviving the hearth and home tradition while freeing up jobs for men forces including fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you thank you yeah i think all

good pretty much all goes right all goes new album will be out that you heard thank you next everybody that really slaps i mean i want to say this fuck you to them too because i made my podcast when i was a stay at home dad and my wife was going to work so it goes both ways here yeah absolutely that's my dream just become a stay at home podcast it fucking rocks stay at home dad is the number one job in the world i can't recommend it more as a sexiest thing i've ever heard Goodheart goes on elite elite educated elite educated anywhere women have undermined the traditional family how damn it women sick i mean just like judging by the amount of dms that i get nothing about me has been undermined yeah i also love that like he's playing this game where he's

like well what if we just like evenly assigned all jobs to like people based on their gender thereby like inferring what they would be good at based on their gender but like by that logic like all blow jobs should be given by men because if anyone knows what a good blow job should be like it's presumably men big time yeah exactly so like what world does he want that's some cool good that's some good hard athelogic over there it's like everyone has to be gay in david goodheart world so it's like the inherent contradiction of conservatism suck your own dick yeah david david david goodheart believes in pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and sucking your own dick pulling yourself up by a bootstraps is how you'd have to start to suck your own dick

yeah so he's just like no we need to go back to the 50 because he's like look we need to revive the dignity of work and to do that we need jobs and all these dames came and took the jobs and so now all the men are out at the labor exchange uh you know getting drunk and starting fights and y'all then we have our big city elite baristas who are all calling them racist so that's why we have a resurgent fascism in our society well it's the thing that you and i were talking about before the podcast is just like there's these sweeping generalizations and these statements that constantly get said that feel true but aren't there's no data behind them there's no evidence behind them but they just feel true so like you come out and you're like i'm not allowed to be

british anymore there's no evidence for that statement but it just feels true yeah it's it's that it's a these i saw trans person on tv and i feel like i can't be british anymore maybe i'm trans nationality yeah well it's like it's it's the thing where it's you always say like when you're coming from a position of extreme privilege then equalizing the playing field feels like an attack right that's the part that's the title of my porno yeah coming from a position of extreme privilege anyway yo my logo put on a pedestal that's the other thing right like it's good hard has to like go into this insane bizarre revision to the fifties vision of gender roles because we can't just say well we should raise wages or we should decouple thriving from work

or we should just have council housing again he's like nope all of that stuff is immutable so we need to reshape humans to fit into whatever it needs and as far as i'm concerned that means like that women should be in the kitchen when you to understand see is that people just want to grease back their hair and weather the jackets and drive hot rods with flames on the side and you can't do that anymore what are you some kind of wise guy um do you want to hear what he has to say about um about uh race oh oh yeah yes does it involve hot rods i'm sure we can find a way to work it in an emotionally mature liberalism because that's what he's talking about he says we need to pander to people's emotions and their feelings of nationalism and stuff an emotionally mature

liberalism must also accept that get ready everybody white majorities in western societies have ethnic attachments too and an interest in a degree of demographic stability it's not shameful or racist for people to feel uncomfortable if their neighborhood changes too rapidly what fuck you fuck you fuck you what is the uh what what is the solution of that like just not let people move you know like i think his solution actually is don't say if if if someone says oh i don't i don't want black people living next to me his solution is like you can't call them racist you have to understand they have legitimate concerns he wants to bring back those signs that say no irish he wants you know what it is he wants to give every racist a participation

trophy and like it everyone's like oh society's gotten too soft but david goodhart's like yes society has gotten too soft except on the racist society's been thumbing it in for years but also he just reworded racism he he isn't he's like it's not racism and then he defined racism yeah he really did he did say like you know you gotta understand white people love to live around white people and they don't like anybody that's not white to live around them that's not racism though that's just human nature like that's just what that's that's what it is he's like no don't it's not it's not racist it's just prejudice based on race oh my god and also like we just don't like that damn jazz music okay and that's the other thing unemotionally mature liberalism what the

fuck does that mean i mean answers on a postcard i have this thing also just in my mind where it's like these guys all think that calling a person racist that's being racist is going to destroy them and make them a fucking conservative when in my mind it's like i were i know working class white working class people is like who i grew up around and who i am and i know that they can handle being called racist if they're being racist they're not gonna like wilt from it you know yeah it's like it's also it's because these people think that racism is a personal insult that's used by elite baristas to make you feel small because you're just a working class landlord who owns five properties in your like town outside of bristol elite tier one baristas what is it an

oxymoron which i find very interesting that like within their circles being racist isn't bad yet they still get offended when they're called racist which i think is so interesting for them racism means rude racism means you used a bad word basically yeah because like there's that weird thing particularly in british society where like everyone understands that like racism means like a racist is a bad person but most people don't understand what what racism actually is and so therefore when someone calls them a racist they're like that's bad they just think they've been called an asshole which they are but like they don't they don't they're like no no i just don't like black people i'm not a racist oh yeah so that's and this and this is kind of where i this is where

the reason i saw parallels between this this this book and hillbilly elegy even though they're doing two different things one's blaming the white working class one's valorizing it both of what they're doing is they're inventing this thing called the white working class that's monolithic and should be praised for its social conservatism but that has been failed by generations of sort of of liberal politicians and that's sort the last one sort of true they have been but economically and people like vance and goodheart think it's been cultural that we've been that we've failed to live up to their social conservatism basically the white working class is that big stone from two thousand and one a space odyssey essentially so that's that but that's where i kind of see

the similarity between these two books and what they're both based even though it seems that they're doing the opposite thing they're kind of doing the same thing for me well we sure have heard a lot of words on this week's trash future from somewhere's nowhere's anywhere's don muso and what it would be like if your wife stopped sucking your dick and you had to suck your own dick it was fascinating thank you everyone i have to go back to sitting with my child while freeing up this space for a man hussain god rest in soul hussain is actually holga's husband all right um so i think that about does us for time today uh brian thank you so much for coming on thank you for having me it was fun hell yeah pleasure um so we have a live show coming up on

the 21st of february we sure do we sure do we sure do it's with josie long at the star of kings the event bright link is in the description and also as ever we have a patreon it's five dollars a month for a second episode uh per week which you can subscribe to should you be so interested in doing so also if you like your josie long early and often on the 13th of february it's another smoke comedy uh which be hosted by me headlining is josie long and uh also performing are other people whose names i have unfortunately forgotten but i'm sure that lineup is very good because i did the lineup and i always do good lineups so take us five pounds event bright link will be in the description you can read the full lineup there uh can you please come see my edinburgh award

nominated show on tour currently find the dates on twitter and also my new show about computers and love at vault festival march 6 and 7 thank you unfortunately august tall will be done in absentia because she'll be at home with the child so a male comedian could come talk about computers and love i'm reading this statement on behalf of all good car um finally uh you can commodify your descent with a t-shirt from a little comrade maybe get i'm not racist but on it um and finally finally finally finally we have mugs and we also uh our theme song is here we go it is by jin sang and yes oh yeah actually that's that's true bright before i do the the last things do you want do you want to plug anything uh bobby in texas in march and new york and april there you go

keep an eye out we haven't announced the dates yet but we're doing a texas tour and a northeast tour in the next two months initially that sounded like it wasn't a show but you were just going to be there like you want to track me down yeah by brian some god damn parking by the in texas i'm fine of it brian would be somewhere in texas use this geocaching app to find out this gavin john are you a bad enough dude to save brian yes and you can also buy a t-shirt from a little comrade or you can get listen to our theme tune it's called here we go it's on spotify it's by jin sang it's extremely good so with that said thank you again brian for coming on uh from uh from street fight which you should all listen to and otherwise thank you guys for being here thank you guys for

listening and good night to all good night