TRASHFUTURE - The Corbyn Commie Controversy ft. Luke Bailey and Emily Hines aka @IHateNYT

Episode Date: February 26, 2018

FIXED AUDIO  Riley's vacation sure did put a dent in the release schedule. But we're back! Abi's back! Baby's got back! Whatever. Riley (@Raaleh), Olga (@Rocknrolga), Abi (@AbiWilks), Milo (@Milo_Edwards) are joined by Luke Bailey (@ImBadAtLife) subbing in for Hussein (@HKesvani) and Emily Hines (@IHateNYT) to talk about the Corbyn commie smears (this was recorded pre Ben Bradley apology) at some length in the first half, and then Emily comes on in the second to help us rubbish the United States Paper of Record (record shortest accidental hiring of someone with connections to white supremacist groups, to be specific). There's a lot in this one, so I hope the wait was worth it. Follow us on twitter @trashfuturepod xoxo Riley

So basically there's a sex worker in Russia who was, whose client was one of Russia's richest men. And so she kept posting photos of them together on Instagram thinking that like, and then basically she, like she unwittingly, is that the word? She basically, sorry, English is my second language, unwittingly, just like uncovered all this shit about like him, this guy meeting with like American Trump advisors and then like in the same Instagrams that would be like appear like Putin's advisors and they were all like in the background and they all like, like this one politician, I mean, opposition

politician connected all the dots and it was insane. So like what he was taking sex workers to his private meetings? Yeah. So basically he would have, he was like, You sound surprised. In Norway. I don't know. Maybe that is something Russian billionaires, this woman was taking selfies on a yacht in

Norway and in the background of a selfie, there was this like Russian billionaire and Putin advisor and it was like, it was insane. It's literally the most insane thing I've ever seen. Please tell me there's a selfie of her doing duckface with Donald Trump Jr. in the background wearing an eye, heart, crime t-shirt, but it's almost like, it's almost like too perfect. I really hope that in like one of the backgrounds of the pictures, like there's like someone is like like gesturing from their penis to indicate like peeing. I want this, this.

But it's always like in the corner of a reflection, like for example, there was like the patriarch of the Russian church that he had a publicity shot and it was a publicity shot in him and a Rolex and they were like, fuck, we need to photoshop out the Rolex. So they photoshopped out the Rolex, but the reflection of the Rolex was still in the shiny table. So his publicity shot is him sitting at a table without a Rolex, but the reflection still has a Rolex in it. This seems like basically borrowing the PR strategy of celebrities of like having stuff hidden in their Instagrams, so they're like, yeah, we want the fans to go through this.

Product placement. Welcome to this Monday episode of Trash Future, the podcast about how the future, if we don't implement fully automated luxury gay space communism will be trash. When you're listening to this, I will not actually be sitting at the microphones. I will be on a ski holiday and I will have published this via Podbean on their scheduling feature. Did you get sponsored from Podbean? Yeah, is that we doing that? Oh, I'll bleep that out.

We use a non-branded podcasting service. Who am I joined by from my left? My name is Olga Koch. I'm a comedian. You can find me on Twitter at rock and roll. I'm Luke. You can find me on Twitter at I'm bad at life, which in retrospect, I really should have changed at some point, but I'd never go around to it. And in the ball from the greatest distance. That's me. Marlon was coming at you live now. Well, actually not live because you're listening to some recording from California. I'm here in a normal country where

people aren't obsessed with machine guns, definitely. And making her triumphant return. Hi, I'm Abby at Abby Wilks on Twitter, currently from London, very soon from DC. Not at all scared. Getting shot to death. Like almost like every week, a bunch of a bunch of dumb shit has happened. You said last week is over the last 24 hours. Valentine's Day. It's also like every day since 1914. Gary Marshall's Valentine's Day.

Yes, that's right. This is the Valentine's Day review cast where we release a new episode every week reviewing another minute of Gary Marshall's Valentine's Day. Before we jump into the horrible shit over the last 24 hours, how is everyone's Valentine's Day? I did an escape room. No, I cleaned a flat and then ate pizza with my husband. It feels like a sort of like appropriately bleak first married Valentine's Day. It's going to be cleaning from here on in. Yeah, I did nothing, but I did end up in a cafe where there were two children

who I had to leave the cafe because there were two children who were yelling Alexa to stop music, even though it was a cafe in public. And obviously there was no Alexa. Oh my God. I thought that was just a Twitter joke. It's real. It absolutely happens. And they replied, please like, share and subscribe. Yeah, I mean, that's what you say before children go to bed now, right?

Like, share and subscribe. You too, Dad. Hey guys, I'm so sorry. I know I haven't been away for a long time and I've been getting a lot of tweets and DMs asking where I was. Dad, I haven't seen you in four years. He's just going offline for a while. It's the new gone gone to go to get cigarettes. Sure, I've seen my dad in person, but where are the tweets? You know what? My dad's on Twitter. I won't say who he is, but I follow.

Is he drill? I follow him, but he doesn't follow me back. Did you guys see the guy standing as a Republican for Congress or something and his parents donated like several grand to his opponent? He basically, he does this guy, he stood as a Democrat in like 2000. It did like a speech to like Democrat thing about like how he was like super in favor of like a woman's right to choose and stuff like that. And then now he's gone completely other way and it's like really pro-Trump

and his parents keep donating to his lesbian opponent. It's beautiful. Divorce will do a hell of a thing to your brain. I don't know that he's divorced, but I'm, this is a man who has seen the inside of a lot of family court buildings. He's just an enthusiast. He's like the bridges of Madison County, but for divorce court. That's the only thing that would like cause you to stand for political office

and then like have your parents donate to your opponent, right? Is if your parents are now better friends with your ex-wife than they are with you. Oh my God, so true. Oh yeah, there is another another thing before we get into the the actual rest of the content. There was one one speech. I did want to read a journalist says to the foreign secretary Boris Johnson, foreign secretary, what do you say to those people? Still gives me the chills to people who say yet another speech on Brexit,

but where's the clarity Boris Johnson, the carrot? Journalists know the clarity Boris Johnson clarity. Okay, God, carrot, carrot. Well, as I say, I think you have an abundance of clarity. The prime minister's Lancaster House speech. What I'm trying to address is a feeling that I pick up talking to people that they're not getting the message of the positive agenda. I think there is a great positive agenda and we need to get out there and explain it.

And it can be good for carrots too, by the way. All right, you didn't actually mention carrots, but we can take back control of our agricultural policies. And it may be that we can do wonderful things with, you know, our own regulations to, you know, promote organic carrots. This is this is the closest Boris Johnson so far gotten to literal steamed hams. Good God, Boris, what is that coming from your speech? What? No, it's a Dora borealis.

Can I see this positive message? No. I think we'd be remiss if we didn't go into the carrot, the now famous carrot speech. I don't think like any Tory journalist managed to pretend it was good, which is actually quite an achievement. The eternal yin and yang of the universe. There are some people sitting in the telegraph office right now thinking, fuck, how do we spin this one?

It's like, fuck, we lost Harry Cole. He understands the importance of being able to see in the dark for when society collapses and there's no more electric light. That's in fact, actually, I'd like to announce this on the show before we do get into the actual content, because that's not where we are now. Is please, I would like a track suit. It's my pin tweet. It's all I want. So, do you have any specifics? Do you want an Adidas one?

No, it's my Amazon wish list consists of one item. Fila? It's an Adidas. Yeah. It's an Adidas black three stripes track suits. Can I, I would love a track suit. Cool. Yeah, those 1980 Soviet Olympic team ones. Can we get those with our names on the back?

That'd be amazing. I want the one that they wear in like American footballers, where the ones that you could just like, because it's all like button down the side, so you could just rip them off yourself. I think that's magic. Chippendale style. American football with the stripping, you know.

So, help us God, we will not stop releasing this podcast until someone buys us a track suit. Can we get Hussein a juicy track suit? But you mostly do body pillow one as well. You need to get his body pillow a track suit, which is an Adidas three stripe pillow case. Well, what happened is Milo Hussein and I are the most cursed. We were walking down a street and then like an old mysterious woman asked us to help her carry water for her.

And we were like, no, we're busy. And she was like, I curse you. I curse you to put out. And then did you say is it raw water? I curse you to put out a podcast once or twice a week, where you just did where your brain turns into soup, and you'll only be freed when someone buys you all tracksuits. I actually want my tracksuit to be made out of white coat, white coat, shirt fabric,

like money bags fancy. Yo, so did you know that? I was just a segueing like a fucking personal transport vehicle. Do you know that Jeremy Corbyn is apparently a communist and has been for a while? The Sun told me this today. He's coming to spy that. Yeah, apparently Corbyn just had a conversation with a guy.

He was a Czech diplomat in the 1980s. Well, a member of parliament. And that all and that this means that he is somehow still feeding information about, you know, Britain's incredible military might to the Soviet Union. I mean, that makes sense to me. Well, I mean, something which Jeremy Corbyn definitely knows about.

Did you see that the expert that the Sun got was kind of denounced by the CIA for being basically a fantasist for not not because he accused a different like he accused a labor MP of being a spy in a book. And the CIA said that his conclusions were not necessarily, you know, they're not necessarily backed up by evidence or something along those lines. Also, he also said a few years ago, no, no, last year, I think that Theresa May was as much of a threat to national security as he believed Jeremy Corbyn is.

The guy's just sort of like over excited. Well, he's basically like he's basically like the British version of like the most sort of Russian troll obsessed brain adults. Yeah. He's Eric Garland. Eric Garland. He is Eric Garland. It is Eric Garland. They created Eric Garland.

That's time for some, it's time for some check theory. Yes. Playing checkers. That was a good question. Have you guys seen Eric Garland's exclusive Twitter account where you can, you pay money to subscribe and then you're allowed to follow his private Twitter account where he does even. Oh shit. Is that where he posts his nudes?

My God. He posts the takes though too hot for the main timeline. It's like, yeah, Eric Garland. New request by Trashutra subscription to his private Twitter account. Oh my God. I was thinking I might subscribe and then make a Twitter account where I just post all of his tweets in quote marks. No, you could do the thing that people did with

Kanye ages ago and just end all of his tweets with Liz Lemon. Yeah, you should definitely do that and then charge people like a tiny bit less than he does. The free market. So the thing is this article in the sun, like most articles in the sun, like a couple of weeks ago, there was one where they tried to own him for having a diesel car provided by the government, which was hilarious. A Jeremy Carlin.

Diesel, the fuel of communism. To be fair, that is a pun that's worth the story. Yeah, they had that on the bag where they're like, finally. They were really hoping it was going to be something like he engineered a carbon dioxide leak into like a nursery. But diesel. Same thing. Same thing.

Yeah. No, but in the context of this, a certain Robert Colville or Colvile. Colville? A certain Robert Colville, the director of the CPS ThinkTag, an editor-in-chief of CapEx, has written us a very, I think, sobering thread. It's an incredible thread. On stuff about Jeremy Corbin. Before we do that, can we talk about the actual sun report

and what the official spy thing that came back, the thing? Because the actual line that they have the reports from the Czech spy, and after they talk about how they've talked to Corbin, the end where this knowledge could not be utilised for purpose of information as they were limited to general nature. So in the sun's report itself, they just say, yeah, there was no exchange of information. This entire thing is the most insane thing. So it's no exchange of any information.

So they didn't even say anything. They just sort of sat there and looked. They had a nice chat about general discussions of the position of Britain and the USA. There was no use of information, but they've run an entire page on that. And now hundreds of people have spent all of today thinking about it. Well, that's incredible. Jeremy Corbin says, do what this is. It's the same thing as like, you know how when you're on the tube, right,

and someone stands on the left, the only time it's ever acceptable in Britain, I've learned to talk to a stranger is if that happens, you walk up behind them and you turn to the person on your right and you go. Check out that dick. But even then the check out that dick is implied by the. So there was a real expressive movement right at there, but you all missed it. Yeah, no, our primarily audio medium, which is great. Yeah, so the Jeremy Corbin basically had that level of interaction with a check diplomat

and the sun predictably is just rampantly shitting itself. Yeah, yeah, it's like the number one expect. That's the thing is like that's conservative organizations. Their margins are being like just hammered and hammered and hammered turning point USA. Oh, we should. We should mention that the sun, but because the cost of diapers are going up and up and up and up. But the thing is, you also like you want to pick the enemy that's around now. Like ISIS, you can probably still make ISIS a thing, but trying to be a basically like,

yeah, Jeremy Corbin is soft on the Soviet Union is like it feels like the whole thing's written by someone who is like 60 and just hasn't stopped on ISIS. Ra is the real enemy. I've heard Jeremy Corbin is soft on the galls pouring into the empire. Jeremy Corbin tough on Saxons, tough on the causes of Saxons. He's conspicuously silent. What is Jeremy Corbin doing to fight syphilis? Jeremy Corbin had tea on the common balcony with Hannibal and his elephants.

I thought I did Jeremy Jeremy Corbin. Jeremy Corbin's and Carmine Lupertadze's crew. We're not cool with them anymore. He disrespected the bing. Jeremy Corbin disrespected the bing. God, I love the Sopranos. So right, so I think we pretty much resolutely concluded that this isn't anything or rather it's, you know, he had a small conversation with a stranger about nothing in particular

and it's caused a... We can't know, can we? I mean, there's like, there's a chance that in his one meeting, I think the meeting was in parliament, was it? Did it appear on any Instagrams of famous sex workers? Yeah, like, there's a chance he had his one, but like, it's all conjecture and it seems far more likely that he was just meeting a diplomat. If only Instagram had been around in 1986, then we could know.

He would have stories that shit. Right, exactly. Jack and Jeremy Corbin's the kind of man who takes sex workers to his private spy meetings. Probably not. Let's do a quick Twitter poll. Bye. I heard Jeremy Corbin never goes anywhere without Kiki Minaj and Rebecca Moore. But also, I mean, like we should probably talk about the fact that Jeremy Corbin as an

opposition MP in 1983 had absolutely no access to any interesting information. There is no, there is no in the government who would be giving him anything interesting. Mr. Corbin, where are the submarines? Nor did anyone in 1983, to be honest. This is true. The CIA were paranoid that the Sandinistas were a threat to national security. I mean, like it's amazing how much foreign policy in the world has been governed by like monsters under the bed.

There was a thread that was by a guy called Robert Colville, who is the director of the CPS think tank and editor-in-chief of Capax, claims to be saving conservatism one tweet at a time. Oh yeah, a lot of people's former boss. One carrot at a time. I mean, both Capax and CPS think tank are actually slightly more right-wing than they sound. And yeah, and he used to, he previously worked at the telegraph, and after that, spent some time at Buzzfeed.

And I actually had a great review series with the Paragraphs. Oh yeah, hit me with that to punctualise. Laying people off one beanie at a time. Did he leave once he found out what his real age was? Yeah, so this is the thing, he tweets like he is like a 55 year old and he's 36. This is a man who did not this. No, this is like he and he and like 100% clean millennial comedian Dan Ninen, like peed in the same fountain that like turned them into like weird hybrid young old people.

He's an inverse Dan Ninen. Yeah, he's like he's Dan. Shit, I can't fix that. So because he is actually young, but actually he's old and Dan Ninen is actually old, but actually he's young like Andy Malanakis. They did like a really strange body swap thing like. So what do you have to say to me about Robert Colville before we read his insane thread? I'm not going to say anything.

I'm just going to read this thing that he wrote because he wrote a book about the internet. So the man is very up on the internet and knows everything about the internet and he really knows it. But this is basically after he left Buzzfeed, he wrote a piece that was kind of like about how he dealt with the young people at Buzzfeed. Um, but last year, this is him now, last year at the age of 34, I got a job at Buzzfeed. To call it culture shock with an understatement. This was a firm that not only catered to 20-somethings, but was largely staffed by them.

Much of the time I felt more like an anthropologist than a line manager. Because young people are much like animals. No, we're the animals of society. Gradually I learned the ropes. I was shown how to make gifts where memes came from. Oh, fuck you. What emoticons meant? I think he means they come from the meme stalk, which swoops down from the heavens

and delivers them to waiting parents. I learned to distinguish between Snapchat and Tumblr, Yikyak and WhatsApp. I picked up the names of the Gogglebox and that Drake was the most important musician on the planet. The most important musician on the planet is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Yeah, of course. He's 34. He had all of those things.

He's 34, yeah. The most obvious difference was less tangible. It was the speed at which everyone moved. Sorry, I keep laughing as I read this. None of them were using Canes or Zimaphraes. The way my colleagues bounce between social networks and chat windows, jokes and thoughts still left me dazzled. Holy shit.

They didn't even bother to talk to each other. Question and quips will be fired across the internal chat system with waves of laughter as the latest link made its way around. They swam the digital sea while the rest of us just paddled. Oh my god! BRB swimming the digital sea. Looped themselves up with copious amounts of lard first. Diving into the cold, cold internet.

Yes, these kids were terrifying. Yet. Yet. Yet. When we talked about the topics we should cover, they all covered up big issues of fairness and social justice. Those young people with their newfangled ideas. It is incredible that he then has failed to understand the appeal of Jeremy Corbyn.

He's basically like, yes, these young people, they don't just call on their phones. There's also this thing called texting. I went out, I went out to my car to take a call from my editor. This is a man who still walks into car phone warehouse and asks where the car phones are. So I mean, that's a good context. Can you fit this in a Datsun? I need an answer. So basically what Robert Colville has sort of put together today

is a thread that is many, many, many things. It's a list of things about Jeremy Corbyn. Some of which are quite serious accusations about like denying genocide and so on, which are obviously bad. But the I don't think he ever actually says the term come to deny his genocide. He says he's met people who does not. Yeah, but like the stuff about it's not good. It's not that stuff's not good, but the rest of the balance of the list

and the vast majority of the list is either stuff that is like out, out now lies and exaggerations or is just really cool. Red to put the sun page recorben in the commies in context. Ooh, that's some spicy alliteration. Here's a list of things Corbyn has said, done or written regarding foreign policy will update as suggestions come in. Number one, claimed that the reunification of Germany was a mistake because it happened in capitalist terms.

Said that Venezuela's achievement in jobs, housing and health and education, but above all its role in the whole world is a completely different place where a cause for celebration in 2015. Well, I mean, Venezuela, Venezuela didn't, you know, they didn't diversify. There were two dependent on oil prices. Things went wrong. You know, I don't think that renders all of the things they did well, sort of.

Meaningless people like people like Robert Colville want you to think that the reason Venezuela is having troubles now is because it's just not possible to have a welfare state in a country like Venezuela, which isn't true. It's more specific than that. Here's one that just is completely that boggles my mind. Six, claimed that Al Qaeda was founded by U.S. trainers. I mean, it's a simplification, but yeah, it's kind of true.

So did you, did you see him when Zob challenged him on that? And he was just, Zob was basically like, yeah, this one's true. And he was like, yeah, but the point is that it tells you that he thinks America is bad or something. Maybe true, but it's not patriotic. Yeah, exactly. Which is, it's just like, it's right-wing political correctness. And I don't think we sort of acknowledge that that exists enough. But it's really easy to like, you know, the certain fact you're not meant to say,

and you become like a person, a suspicious person, an anti-patriotic person, if you say these like true things. And the people who kind of enforce these norms tend to be way more powerful than like student union reps or whatever the hell. So I think it's kind of, it's kind of bullshit how we're focused on like, you know, anti-free speech left when they've got such precise words about what you were allowed to say. I mean, it's worth pointing out that like, Robert Colville's entire point during this thread is basically that

Corbyn's default setting is being anti-U.S. And maybe two years ago when, you know, there was Obama, there's like, oh, maybe there's an argument for like the U.S. Right now being anti-U.S. seems like, yeah, he had it right all along. And at least like, at least there's a lot to criticize, you know, it's not, and sort of listing a load of very valid criticisms doesn't really, it just makes you seem like Corbyn was spot on about quite a lot of things. Here's another, another, another, another, another, I'm gonna do a match pair of these.

Number seven, said it was a tragedy that bin Laden was killed by the U.S. rather than put on trial. And another one later down in the list, complaining that Jihadi John, the British ISIS fighter, hadn't been tried in the court of law. How dare he respect you process. I mean, but that's, that's, that's super mainstream liberal, liberalism as well. It's like the next, I mean, maybe not everyone agrees with it, but it's, yeah, it's, it's, did you, my favorite, my favorite one was, came that the free market's very imperative,

imperative is of an ever hastening exploitation of all resources, including people, and it needs armies and weapons to secure those supplies, which is a very kind of pithy way of summing up reality. Yeah, I mean, that's also something I could ever say myself to disagree with. They just don't think it's a bad thing. Like that's where like them and Corbyn overlap. Like, yes, we need all the national resource. That's the real horseshoe theory.

The really the worst one for me was when I heard that he said that the big bang theory was actually an okay show. I think the direct quote is had its moments. He actually just met with a guy who said the big bang theory had its moments. Milo, this is something that we talked about on such an early episode of the show that I don't think any of our listeners will have actually listened to it. But do you remember when you had to write a certain email to a certain political figure? Ah, yes. So my mates and I, we do it less now, but when we were at university,

we used to play this game called tell them. I don't know if anyone's familiar with this. None of us went to Cambridge. I don't know. Basically, if you say something about someone and you don't say like safety or no, tell them afterwards. If someone gets there in time and says, tell them, you have to tell them. And so I once I made some passing comment about Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

I think I said, like, he sounds like he's got a lot on his plate. And then someone said, tell him. And I was like, well, how the fuck am I going to do that? Email him. And they were like, yeah. So I found an email address for someone called Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi online. And send there an email saying, like, hi, sounds like you've got a lot of a lot on your plate at the moment.

Best of luck. I never got to apply. Holy shit, Milo, you provided aid and comfort to the enemy. Maybe I'll do a list about you. There are a couple other. I look at the door from the water borders. Now that the printing industry is in such a crunch, border's books is reprinted as water borders.

They're very convincing when you're trying to sell you stuff. So there are a couple. Well, there are a couple other other elements on this list I want to hit, which are there are some of you're just yeah, he's got really cool positions, but there are others that are like outright fabrications. So for example, he says that Corbin has refused five times in a BBC interview to condemn the IRA's murders, which is an utter fallacy. That interview is where Corbin was being asked to condemn them as specifically

different from and worse than loyalist paramilitary murders. Yeah. Yeah, it's a kind of a purity test that is was probably outdated at the time and is definitely outdated now. And it's it's weird that that's a question that's being asked if something like. Yeah, why are you doing a hierarchy of badness? I think I mean, I think there's like there is a there's a nuanced series of questions to be asked on this and those questions never get asked.

Well, no, it's I think what I'm noticing a bit of a pattern for today's shit, which is that like, I think it was like bring your grandfather to work day at CapEx and the Sun, because everyone's concerns seem very rooted in the 1980s. He refused to condemn Sheldon as different from and worse than Jojo Bionni. Where did he come down on the Frasier Friends Devaco? I thought his support for William of Orange was disgraceful. Look, it's the fact is he is he is a pro-carthaginian and the longer we allow him to influence our politics, the weaker Rome will be.

In a BBC interview, he refused to agree with the statement Carthago de Lendest. I mean, I mean, that's the kind of that is the kind of purity test that the Kato Institute would impose, which makes it very fitting fucking Kato the elder. What a bitch. Oh, wait, how can I just set my favorite thing about the list? Is the really bland things that are in there where they just try and throw them in with other bad things in the hope that they will also sound bad, but they're just bland as fuck. Like Corbin opposed shoot to kill policies and it's like and like there's I just it reminds

me of that bit in The Simpsons where it's like Jeremy Corbin contains potassium benzoate. Also, because it's like responding to the Paris attack, he says he supports shoot to kill. And it's like, well, yeah, exactly. That's exactly the time you should stay to your principles, not randomly decide on actually we should shoot a load of people. Like that is a good thing. So why are you using it like the context is bad? I'd love it to see the attack out against Corbin that like when it became challenging,

Jeremy Corbin did not bend his principles. The UK just doesn't have a shoot to kill policy. So he was admittedly criticizing a policy that didn't exist. Well, it's that's why I realized that Robert Colville is really keen on he's like Jeremy Jeremy Corbin has found all kinds of places where he could have killed brown people or supported the killing of brown people and then didn't how unbelievable I think my favorite my favorite one and then one will end off on before we get Emily on the phone. Number 31 speaking in front of communist flags at a May Day rally.

If you look at the footage from May Day, the guy of the flag kind of shuffles behind him deliberately like I am I as I understand it kind of Corbin's staff were desperately trying to make that not happen. And it was entirely accidental. Because yeah, I don't yeah, I don't think he was deliberately trying to talk in front of a Hammonsville actually. I mean, that would have been sweet if he had like 42 facts about Jeremy Corbin. Number 31 will make you go.

Well, that's the difference that reminds me of is what Mike Sernovich his people would do at like various some campus like like left-wing campus rallies is like the proud boys would like dress up as what they thought like liberal activists looked like. And so they would wear, you know, they basically would dress like Mr. Burns trying to dress as Jimbo from The Simpsons was very it was how are you fellow kids? Yeah, it's very how are you fellow kids? But they would walk and then they would like drop a Nambla banner. proud boys the ones you don't masturbate.

I don't think any of them masturbate. I mean, we don't masturbate. They're all very vocal about not masturbate. So you don't know how much that means they don't masturbate. Okay, what do you think Jeremy Corbin's favorite Gary Marshall film is though? I'm going to play the theme to Valentine's Day here. There's a there's a real 30% chance I will play the theme to Valentine's Day here, not just leave in the bit of me saying I will.

And with that, we're going to leave off the BuzzFeed article about Jeremy Corbin. Take a quick break and be back with Emily from I hate NYT on Twitter to learn why The New York Times might not be the beacon of democratic hope we thought it was. I'm going to say that's good enough for jazz. Let's do it. That's good enough. Excellent. So welcome back to the second half of this spooktacular episode of Trash Future.

We have had a minor staffing change. Olga and Abby who have busy and important lives as a new media media podcast. I think it was important to like just make sure the staff turnover is really high. Yeah, Olga has gone to do we don't let them unionize. No, it's unions just not right for trash future. It's right for BuzzFeed. It's right for every other company. It's right for Tesla, not right for us.

You guys have a culture of innovation right now. So you wouldn't want to like damage that through unionizing those other companies. They don't have a culture of innovation. So it's okay for them to stagnate. Yeah, we're we are we're in a competitive industry. But more importantly, guys, we're all in this together. Yeah. And we need to be flexible about ever changing issues like are we peeing or not?

Yeah, you're like a family because that's also what families do. Yeah, families brutally exploit one another and, you know, expose them to dangerous working conditions and remove the bulk of the value of their life. Yeah, and then they know a lot about how often each other is peeing, which is also what you guys do. So well, yeah, no, you can't. Well, the rule is in Britain, you can't pee when the queen is in the country. I mean, you're like she spends a lot of time in Scotland,

but like if you didn't do that, it'd be a nightmare. Like so you might be you might be hearing a new American voice. This is not just the amalgam divided by two of Abby and Olga. No, who is this new American voice? This American voice, a podcast. This is this is me, Emily, of I hate the New York Times fame. You can find me at I hate NYT. You can find my great blog at firebrettstevens.com.

Actually, Brett, Brett Stevens doesn't believe in manmade fire. This is what this is. No, we're here to educate the breads. We're here to educate them with that. Yeah, educate us. Because, you know, as far as we're all concerned, the New York Times is like, you know, it's a bastion of of of it's the last bastion of the resistance. It's how America is going to beat Trump is with facts and responsible journalism

from outlets like the New York Times and the Washington Post, because democracy dies in darkness and whatever it is the New York Times has invented for itself. Unless, of course, there's a dark side. Unless, of course, there's a dark side. Well, they had their great like truth that's more important now than ever. They had a tagline, too. I forget what it was. It wasn't as good as democracy dies in darkness, but they had like ads that were like

truth that's more factual now than ever. There are more facts in each unit of truth than there have been at any point. Truth is like is like Bitcoin because it's just there's more facts in it now and he keeps going up and up and up. No, truth is like ecstasy pills. You know, there's there's more there's more in it than ever. They're stronger than ever now. Coming more and more intimate.

The more Trump lies, the more truth becomes rare and thus valuable, which is why it's like it's more worthwhile now than ever to pay money to read The New York Times. Mining truth on the moons of Saturn. And I mean, when they hired the Ben Shapiro advertising agency, I really didn't know how it would go for them. Wait until the New York Times discovers that the notion of truth is philosophically controversial. Thank you. I can't wait until like the one is going to be the 2020 election is like

the New York Times and Washington Post like get tied up in discussing what the concept of truth is. Well, like Trump is just saying like, yeah, they're aliens. Somebody build a wall. I don't know if there are aliens. If there are aliens out there, I'm going to find their nines and tens. And the New York Times like, but what is truth that we spoke to a bunch of Trump voters who don't think truth exists. The Platonists at the New York Times are living in a cave.

Are you going to trust them for a while? They were kind of on that beat. They had Stanley Fish, the postmodernist philosopher, literary critic guy writing extremely terrible articles for them. So I guess like he quit or they got rid of him or something. So I guess they're no longer interested in occupying that postmodernist truth as a social construct space like now they're more like they've hitched their wagon to the idea that truth does exist. So Emily, you're going to kind of take us us in our sort of primarily British audience

through maybe why the New York Times is maybe not what it seems to the casual observer, why it might actually be comma bad. So I started doing my blog and my Twitter account because I could never understand why like the New York Times had this audience of sort of nice, well-meaning, well-educated, like liberal-ish people. But somehow they could never seem to really give those people what they wanted. Like they seemed to spend all this time looking for like reasonable Republicans who could package reasonable.

They could package Republican views in a way that would seem like nice and reasonable. So to that end, they had David Brooks. They had Ross Dow that and they didn't really have any actual left-wing people who might reflect the views of their progressive readers other than Paul Krugman. He was like their token, actually progressive guy, which he sort of is not anymore. I think he's kind of given up on that, which I can get into more later. But he somehow moved more aggressively than the Overton window. They're kind of seen as like, well, they're part of the so-called liberal media.

They're always going to support the Democratic candidate. And then a lot of people got disillusioned during this primary season because they like many other mainstream voices and media outlets never had anything good to say about Bernie Sanders. Like every single one of their op-ed page roster came out with these opinions that were like, wow, actually Hillary Clinton is being like, Hillary Clinton is more progressive than you think. Did you know Hillary Clinton is actually an incredibly talented politician? So they were all just like very in the tank for Hillary. And Paul Krugman in particular seemed like to be sort of personally mad at Bernie.

They had some weird vendetta against him. So like from what you could have learned from reading The New York Times, Bernie Sanders might have had like zero supporters, even though I'm sure a lot of their readers supported him. And then Trump got elected and they kind of came out with these like op-ed pieces that were like, we're going to resist him so hard. We're just going to resist Trump every day with the like passion of 10,000 fiery suns. You're not going to believe how hard we resist Trump. And then like one month later, they came out with this idea for a column,

say something nice about Trump, where they called on their readers to please write it. This is real. You can look this up. I'm not making this up. They called on their readers to say something nice about Trump. And one of their guys was going to then like take the ideas and like write them up into a regular column. And people kind of made fun of it so much. Like they didn't actually get any sincere entries. Everyone was just pissed off that they were trying to do this. So all the entries were like, oh, Trump has small dainty hands.

Like, oh, Trump knows how to use Twitter. So I guess at least he knows how to read and write. So I think they kind of gave up on the idea, but they've done. The New York Times, who have a large stable of people who are paid, I assume hundreds of thousands of dollars to have opinions about Trump and Republicans, could not come up with a single thing to say nice about Trump. So ask their readers. Well, look, you got to get some free content. You can't expect them. They're already, like you said, paying a lot of money for this roster of like the best and brightest. So they have to like cut corners sometimes by getting free content. You got

to get those letters, the free, you got to get the free comments posted in the comment section that you then like turned into a feature article. Look, that's how that's how you survive. What I find most hilarious about this, though, is that if they, if the New York Times genuinely wanted to influence policy, their say something nice about Trump column would have worked. They could have just tricked him. They could have been like, oh, what I love about Trump is his great idea, Trumpcare, which is a publicly funded universal health program. And if they could have gotten him to read it, he would have been like, yes, that was a great idea

of mine. So that's this is culminating base culminated basically. Emily, as we were saying, in the hiring of sort of the New York Times being characterized by just being basically a stable of sort of anti-Trump Republicans. Right. Yeah. So they have this strange notion that they use to justify all these hires that they need ideological diversity and a range of viewpoints. But like somehow all that ever involves is hiring more anti-Trump Republic. They already had Rostow that and David Brooks, who are both anti-Trump Republicans. And then they brought on another one. So like, okay, they're never going to hire a pro Trump Republican because that's just kind of vulgar and crass. Like they don't really care

to represent that, which fine. And then they're also not going to hire someone with like more left wing views, even as their readership is probably getting more and more left wing in their views. They're the time seems to be kind of going right. So they're not going to hire anyone to the left. So that just kind of leaves this anti-Trump Republicanism to somehow represent intellectual diversity. Like because of the fact that their readers don't like it. And in fact, no one likes it. That makes it ideologically diverse, right? Because it's automatically different from whatever the actual reader believes. Holy shit. You know what that makes the New York Times? That makes the New York Times the Joker. Where he's like, you all laugh at me because

I'm different. I laugh at you because you're all the same. Yeah. He's not a Joker. The New York Times is like a goth kid. The New York Times is Harvey Dent flipping a coin. Whether it's Paul Krugman or seven pro Trump Republicans are going to print this week. I do want to get into to Ross Douth out a little bit because he's been in the headlines for calling for a total ban on pornography. They're all just wild and out. They've all had some amazing takes in the last few weeks. So just in the past like couple weeks, we had ban pornography. We had ban Jews. That was a great one. We had letters from Trump supporters. Can we get back to the banning Jews? What happened to the banning Jews? I missed. Ban George Saurus's secret pornography cartel. I mean,

I thought that was the front page of the Times, wasn't it? The ban Jews was a great Brett Stevens piece where what it was was it was supposed to be a clever bit of irony on par with a modest proposal. We as readers knew this because he like announced it either in the first like paragraph of the article or like in his tweet where he tweeted it out. He was like, by the way, this is irony. Think Jonathan Swift. So like that's always a good sign when you have to do that. You have to be like, Hey guys, I'm doing a clever thing right now. What was it that he was doing? He was making a point about banning Muslims. And his ostensible point was that we shouldn't do it. If we like banned people just for like coming from a group with like bad scary views, like certain people

want to do to Muslims, then by their logic, we would have had to have done it to Jews too. So like he's ostensibly saying that we shouldn't do that. But like, but there's a nice being a woke racist. It's the it's the if you're like at this point, if you're going to do the modest proposal satire, then cook and eat yourself. Because it always just comes off as a dog whistle. But at the same time, if his point if this point is like, ah, we didn't let these people with scary views in, it's like he's being kind of a woke racist where he's like, we shouldn't care that they commit more crime. They're our fellow humans. And it's like, well, no, fuck you. Like how frightening they are. But being like, but look, they also do so much for us. So like,

if you love how much they're doing for us, then you shouldn't think we should. Okay, check it out. You guys want to hear the opening of this great article ban Jews. Until his dying day, my dad's uncle burn was a communist sympathizer. I remember him as an affable old man with a gracious wife who made a modest living selling anti-glace. He probably wouldn't have heard of fly. Yet he found much to admire in the most murderous ideology of the 20th century, responsible for tens of millions of deaths from the killing fields of Cambodia to the gulags of Murmansk. Okay, and then he goes on to say that if you're Jewish in America, you probably have an uncle burn somewhere in your family tree. So he's saying the way no way,

no way is the his uncle actually named burn. He is he is like dog whistling Bernie Sanders, right? First of all, he's saying like, well, look, the Jews, they're fine. I mean, they supported the evils of communism, but they're fine. But then there's also this made up character. Oh, my uncle Bernie, a gray haired old man. Oh boy. Wait, so he's dog whistling Jewish people as communists. Yeah, he's he's Jewish himself, which I think is what justifies in his mind. I mean, there was there was literally exactly what used to happen in the 1920s in the early like the second immigration when well, and now Brett Stevens is doing it again, but he's doing it with all of the subtlety of like a fucking cartoon anvil being dropped in your head in a

loony tunes. Oh, no, wait, there's more. And then he says most of these people like my great uncle were deeply misguided idealist, a tiny handful of others, including atomic spies, Julius Rosenberg, et cetera, et cetera, who is now known were not spies, betrayed America's most important military secrets of Stalinist Russia and did incalculable damage to the country in the world. So this is how he leads off his explanation of why we shouldn't ban Jews is that they betrayed our atomic secrets and did damage to the world. Also, like, how does it work? If he's if he's basically using this as to like talk about the Muslim ban, he's like he's like, he's like, ah, yes, even even though the Muslims infiltrated our top levels of government and have been serving

dog at the White House, you know, and they have a secret Kenyan, we should we should still let them in. It's it's it is it is it's it's a weirdly like it's a weirdly racist way to make that point, which is really fitting for Brett Stevens, who I can never really tell if he's being it is Brett Stevens, right? Yes, Brett Stevens. I can never tell. Yeah, well, it's like a dog whistle and like the way the logic is set up, it can go either way. Like you could say, oh, I don't think they should have banned Jews, so we should keep Muslims, or if you're a person who already is going to think we should ban Muslims, then you could say, well, by his logic, we shouldn't have let the Jews in either. Like

there's nothing inherently. Well, if you're a true if you're like one of the like weird MAGA Trump supporters that they gave their op ed page to a couple weeks ago, they probably would have read that article and be like, oh, that's a good point, actually. But that actually sort of leads me leads me on to the to how the the New York Times to give over its op ed page to Trump voters because of its crazy mission. It seems that we have to sort of conduct a kind of constant and ongoing sort of sensitive, soft focused anthropological study of what makes these people tick, which is the exact same thing we're doing in the UK with Brexit. So there must be some logic to their views because they think them as though it's like patronizing to suggest

that there is no logic to it as though it's not possible that people have illogical views. Yeah, they're kind of expecting something like they could sort of continue doing the thing where they're like Trump voters, do they still believe in Trump? And then they'll ask them, like, would you still vote for Trump today? And the Trump voters all say yes. And they're like, huh, okay, well, we'll check, we'll check back with you guys later. It's like, hey, you guys, you guys still racist? Yeah. Oh, you are. Oh, darn. Do you I'm sure you were all over this when it happened, when they were just like, yeah, we're gonna give our page to Trump voters. Um, yeah, it was great because you sort of knew like they announced they were doing this. And of

course, like everyone just kind of collectively groaned at their shit once again. And of course, people said various things like why don't you devote your op ed page to like letters from the dreamers or some other sort of group of people that hasn't had their views discussed exhaustively. But you kind of knew that they were just going to find like the few literate like literate letters that seem kind of reasonable and sane on the surface, and then like throw out all the crazy screeds they got about like Hillary and Benghazi and obumbo. And like the ones that were just like build the wall repeated 500 times, which is what they did. So they had all these people. I don't know, these people sort of claim that they like are his policies.

They are they're like not all Trump voters are Hillary Clinton's deplorables. Many of us are well informed and highly educated. Where was the Harvard guy? There was one guy who had a great line about how he went to Harvard. Hang on, let me find it. Well, it's the what I find sort of well, you're pulling that up. What I find so interesting about this is that the New York Times for all of its sort of vaunted fact worship, it seems like it might it might be picking and choosing which facts to report to support a particular ideological worldview about respectability and and and sort of almost you might say class solidarity. The opinion page is what we see a lot of and obviously the opinion page and all the editorial decisions being made there are

very, very questionable. But how do you think that the opinion page or the perception of the opinion page affects how people view the the reporting of the New York Times, which are kind of two separate things? Right. Yeah, I mean, people kind of sometimes defend them by saying, well, like, look, they have the best reporting in the country. Or like, when it comes to Brett Stevens, they'll say like, Oh, well, look, you may say you want to unsubscribe because he's a climate change denier, but we have the best we have the best reporting on climate change in the country. So which is true, but like sort of the function of an op ed page is to delimit this range of acceptable opinions, and kind of express what this newspapers brand is going to be like

here's the like we've told you the facts now sort of here's the range of like, respectable conclusions that we think you could potentially draw from them. And that's how they kind of established their brand. So by establishing this brand that's so right wing, they're kind of undermining their reporters whose conclusions might more reasonably lead to very different conclusions. It's almost genius that we're going to do the best climate change reporting in all of journalism. And we also have the best climate change denial in all of journalism. Well, in particular, as regards Trump, I've actually been surprised at like how much more credible it makes an opinion just by like someone having that opinion like so my

dad who's like a reasonable intelligent person was in the US last summer. And he was speaking to some people that we that my dad my dad my my slightly right wing dad was in the US talking to some like very Republican people that we sort of know. And he and he came back and we were talking about Trump and he was like, he was like, Well, you know, my they were saying to me that actually, you know, they think that, you know, Trump is actually the idiot thing is an act and he's actually playing, you know, like a really, really smart game. And you know, maybe they're right. And I'm like, dad, did they actually give you any evidence to suggest that this is true? And he's like, no. And I'm like, so what, like, they're just idiots. They just they're morons who just

like him because he agrees with their worldview. There's no evidence to support their position. Why would you think that makes it more credible just because some idiots think it? Do you want to hear this letter from a Trump supporter? This one's really good. Oh, yeah. To the editor, I voted twice in my life once for myself when I ran for Congress 10 years ago. Same, same. So much same. Do you editor I've only voted for myself three times once I ran for Congress once for Trump and once in my divorce case.

This is from Philip Maywin of Greenwich, Connecticut. Evidently, he ran for Congress and did not win, but he's going to brag about it anyway. Virtually, virtually all my friends or colleagues actively hate Mr. Trump. I'm a minority in every circle I move in. Yeah, every every single one, I'm sure. He's a minority, but only in this one very limited sense of being a Trump supporter. So check this out. I have a PhD from the University of Chicago and a bachelor's and master's from Harvard. Okay, so normally, when you're telling someone that you have a PhD, it would be considered not necessary to explain that you also have a bachelor's. Trust me, guys. His PhD is enlisting his qualifications.

Yeah, I mean, he doesn't say what it's in, which makes me think it's not in anything or medical doctor. I'm a former hedge fund trader and now an academic. He's so smart that the only person he will vote for is himself. He used his Harvard education to evaluate all the other candidates and they all other than Trump came up lacking. I'm a journalist and author. Imagine being a Trump supporter and even one of those circles exclamation point, we learn to stay quiet. And so he just keeps snitching on himself. Like, I know, guys, guys, look, I know I do all this other smart stuff, but I've got this one really dumb opinion. Yeah, he's like, okay, so I'm really scared to tell anyone I know about my dumb political

opinions. But like, which is normal, just like imagine being me, you would do the same. You would just keep it a secret. Those infamously quiet Trump supporters. He's on the Trump diet. He's not being invited to dinner parties. So wait, what's so so basically he's he's being completely like shut out by all of his respectable friends. He's being shut out, but it doesn't matter, I guess to him because of how good Trump is making America. He says Trump has turned a fragile nation anti fragile. Now volatility, a word which exists. Unfortunately, it does, but it's a dumb Silicon Valley word about designing systems that are it's about designing systems that can absorb shocks. Well, basically, I'm not dumb. I'm I'm anti dumb. The opposite of

dumb they invented. They basically they invented a word to mean resilient and adaptable because they were like we can't use those words. Those are normal words. Those are poor people words. We have to make up our own with no vows. And so they invented fact that a scholar uses this term. He says the scholar Nassim Nicholas Talib's term. So he wants us to all know that like if you ever say scholar, then you've ordered him automatically lost the argument. No, Nicholas Nassim Talib. He's a fucking embarrassment. Well, so you call him a scholar. He calls him a scholar that you've lost. He's like, he's like, this is basically he's like, well, if you read your Jordan Peterson, but just slightly

more like highbrow scholars maintain. So he says he likes America now because it's anti fragile under the guy who's like, you know, causing just yeah. So he says he's anti fragile. So he likes it. The guy who's like scared of pink steak. Was he like at food poisoning? Yeah. So he says that now in Trump's America, the more chaos, the better exclamation point. So that sounds kind of worrying, but okay. He says entrepreneurship is up. Oh no, entrepreneurship up. Optimism up. Good old American problem solving is back. Finally, because they're all the problems to solve. So like these are supposed to be his intelligent intellectual defenses of Trump, where he's basically like capitalism, good me like optimism.

But also like it in an area that's in a time and this is just the shock doctrine, basically Trump is throwing the country into chaos. And so I'm able to take advantage of it by like just like the sort of, you know, sweeping things in under my sort of private control while no one else is looking. It sounds like this guy is a this. Yeah, this guy, you know what this guy is? This guy's like business bane essentially, where he is, he's just he, but he this is like a version of business bane or he's still wearing the mask, but he also has like a too big tucked in polo shirt. And he's really excited that his used boat dealership is going to go up in business by like two to four percent. Right. But here's the problem with the business ban is

that bane was very anti wall street. Nobody cared who I was for I put on the Harvard tie. Yeah, this is that's why this is business bane. Right. He's using chaos for business. He's he goes he knows that Trump is president, you know, deals and all those deals he's made. I love all this deals deals. I got tired of the deals. I'm honest with you. Yeah. Too many deals. So, but this this, but yeah, the letters are all kind of like that. Some of them also claim that they were skeptical of Trump, but have been won over by his great performance. One guy is like, I give him a B plus. They were skeptical of him. So they voted for him. Right. One guy says he went to the polls with a clothespin on his nose and had low expectations,

but now gives him a B plus because he's doing so great. But that's the essence of the Trump voter, right? You have a clothespin on your nose because of the non-respectability, but you have a huge boner because of all of the racism. And you also have your rock that prevents barriers. Yeah, I went to the polls with the clothespin on my nose, a huge boner and my sweatpants ready to get rubbed off in a Tuesday afternoon lap dance, ready to ready to make this country great again through the power of I assume like a like a used furniture store. That's the question they can never answer, isn't it? What the whole make America great again thing

is all pick a time when it was great and explain to me why. Like when, which, which point do you want to go back to? Is it 1985? Is it 1955 when, you know, you had the segregation thing? It's actually about a day after 9 11 when suddenly every American felt very, very empowered by the idea of being American and wanting to go out and destroy the world. Yeah. So that's, well, maybe that's what we need. We just need. When everyone's side politicizing a tragedy, daily terrorist attacks. It wasn't politicization. It was patriotism. You know, when it's, when it's a gun tragedy, it's obviously. Yeah. Yeah.

In which case, just a tragedy. Yeah. No. In which case it's unavoidable. Unavoidable. Unavoidable. There's no way to avoid it. No, if only there was. Just just to bring our, bring our little tour through the, through this behind the skirts of the gray lady to a close. There, there, if there's been a couple, even like in the last almost like 48 hours, there have been some sort of colorful characters associated with our, with the New York times. I'm thinking of Barry Weiss and Zoe, not Zoe Quinn. That's the Gamergate lady. Something Quinn, Quinn Norton, Quinn Norton, Quinn Norton.

German crooner, Barry Weiss. Fuck you, my love. Can't get enough of your love, my lever. Come on. Come on. So one curious cat said I should replace you with a colorful fish and I'm considering it. You can never replace me. Not with the most colorful fish in the world. I am an agent of chaos. Two colorful fish. So, so who are, who are these, these people, these, these sort of New York times op ed writers who have just crested the waters of sort of overpaid mediocrity and are sort of glimmering in the public eye for a moment. So I'm not really a Barry Weiss expert. Things have been like moving very quickly lately. So it's kind of hard to

keep up with all of it. But Barry Weiss had that tweet. I think it was just immigrants get shit done. And it was about, yeah, it was about some young lady with a Japanese name who like landed a triple axle in the Olympics. And she tweeted out like immigrants, they get shit done. And people were like, what the fuck are you talking about? That woman was born in America. And she was like, oh, I know that it's a line from Hamilton. It was it was poetic license. I figured it was justified. So she like kept digging the hole deeper by saying like, Oh, well, I know she's not actually an immigrant, but like her parents are immigrants. And then she got very, very mad that everyone kept saying a bunch of most almost everyone responded to her and was like, Hey, actually, this is like

not a cool thing to say. And no one got that mad. And she then she kept tweeting about how everyone was saying she's dying calling her a racist ghoul. But if you did that like great thing that people do now where they say like, I've been getting death threats, I've gotten hundreds and you can just easily check and there's no death threats. So I don't know like the old, I don't know how old she is, but a lot of people in this world like don't seem to realize you can just search their mentions and check whether there are any death threats there or not. She's very good. I once I once people have been calling me fragile. She's 100% clean millennial op ed writer Barry wise. People have been calling me racist and problematic and also saying I should

die. So they kind of like hog tie like the perfectly reasonable negative things people have said to like fake things people did not say which if said would be unacceptable. But like the other thing that like the new breed of annoying New York Times writers do is like that conservative thing of always claiming that they're being silenced and like that their views are just like too hard hitting for the snowflakes punk rock. I think it was. Yeah, punk rock. They're too punk. Yeah, like Brett Stevens kind of brought that to them where like now the new thing among conservatives is to like I don't know to like spend 1% of your time actually expounding views and then the rest complaining that like people aren't listening to your views enough. That's what Brett mostly does.

So the New York Times op ed page is actually more like a sort of dear diary for again that that's it's the goth thing. We're going back to the diary. I'm not expecting any sympathy. I don't think it's heroic what I did. But I just want to let you know that if you're wanting to quit Twitter, they've had a lot of like I'm quitting Twitter. Here's why Twitter was like making me a worse person takes. They tend to do that a lot. I mean, it is making everyone a worse person. I mean, Brett now platforming themselves. Brett's Brett Stevens. Didn't he say like Brett Stevens did a weird thing where he's like, okay, I'm getting too much abuse on Twitter from people who were telling me I'm advocating for the sort of wholesale cooking of the planet. So I'm going

to delegate an assistant to manage my Twitter account. So I don't have to deal with the with facts. Yeah, I guess he thought that he could win these beefs that he was constantly getting into where he was sort of like quote tweeting people with 200 followers and being like, see this is this just shows you the disgusting attitudes of some on the left. But you know what I love just the last the last bit of disgusting attitudes is that on the Barry Weiss thing, Eli Lake is clearly trying to fuck her. Oh, I didn't see that. Well, because every every time someone would like tweet at Barry, at Barry Weiss being like, actually, you're a fucking dullard, he'd be like, I think you'll find she is an extremely

accomplished shop head writer. Shoot your shot, Eli, get in there. And no, the thing is like, it's I think I've made it. The thing is that this whole I've made this point before this whole situation with Barry Weiss could have been avoided. If she'd have just followed my useful when you're planning to tweet flowchart, which is what question one is, is your tweet going to be a reference to the musical Hamilton? If yes, do not tweet that thing. Only way down there is is it works for like off Twitter to like if you're just talking to someone, it's like probably even less likely that you should make a Hamilton reference. I think even the cast of Hamilton shouldn't make Hamilton references and that includes reading from the script. Hamilton broke

every single liberal brain. Yeah, that's true. But it's the I really do want to emphasize that Eli Lake is trying to get Barry Weiss to use his head as a yoni egg. So that's that's that's that one up in New York Times op ed writer who's just been sort of just hilariously embarrassing herself and summoning Sir Humpty Dumpty to Defender, who I know is not an egg Milo. You don't have to correct me. And then we have just our last because we've been we've been going we've been going hard. Our last fearless defender of truth and justice in these dark days of Trump. What exactly happened with Quinn Norton is Harley Quinn Norton. Okay, they're one in the same. So this young lady, I guess again, I was not

previously familiar with her, but they they announced she was going to be hired to like cover tech, whatever that means to like cover tech in the modern world. So I don't really know what that was supposed to be. Like they like to do all these articles about like what what you consume on your screen says about who you are and like screen time, good or bad and crap like that. So I don't know, but they hired this young woman. And then immediately people sort of tweeted out like this woman is actually a Nazi. And they showed this old tweet of hers where she said like, well, I've been friends with many white supremacists, I've never agreed with them though. And then there were a bunch of tweets of her using the n word and like calling people fags.

So I guess like this all like there was this very quick flurry immediate flurry of activity of people like digging up these awful old tweets and saying like, Hey, New York Times really what's going on here. And then like about eight hours after they announced the hiring, I guess the New York Times ostensibly had not known of any of this. Oh, and I guess she was supposedly friends with this guy, we've who's Andrew Orenheimer. Yeah, he's the Daily Stormers sys admin. He's like he's the he's the nerd responsible for the spreading of white supremacism. He's a literal swastika tattoo, like American history x star. Yeah. Yeah. So she like, Oh, well, I was friends with him, but that doesn't mean I agree with him. I have many complicated friendships. So once they

the New York Times ostensibly, this was all news to them. And so they were kind of like, well, having learned this, we think we're going to part ways. So the whole thing is kind of hilarious because of the way she responded with these like elaborate pseudo intellectual defenses of herself. She claimed she claimed basically that she was so into these communities into these old communities, which I guess is kind of why she was hired. She was hired to cover 4chan and read it and all this stuff as a tech reporter, but she was so into them that she couldn't help picking up their language. Yeah, she just like had to do it because she was like in deep cover. And she was like, well, that's what you do. You like casually call people fags when you're in

these communities. So like, what did you expect me to do? I had to blend in. Again, as someone who spent a ton of time in like dodgy entire communities in my impressionable teen years, didn't pick up any of this language. In fact, if anything, it may be like, Oh, this is really bad. These people are very unpleasant. I should definitely be less like this. Well, it's the and my big like, I love about this is again, the New York Times, it's this home of facts. And they just didn't know these facts. These are facts that escape them because usually they're really good about getting to the facts. I know they're really the fact experts, but somehow while some facts you just have to like wait, this gets back to the kind of like asking for free content

thing. If you just kind of hire someone and don't do much like background reporting, then maybe someone will do it for you for free and like you can be saved from making a bad hire that way. Holy shit. Everyone harassing this, like everyone, like everyone, like just like replying to this woman on Twitter calling her like a dumbass actually just did the New York Times job for it. They actually are Machiavelli geniuses. That's how you vet people now. Yeah, we're basically all just working for them now. But this time it actually worked. All the people who like said they are going to unsubscribe over the Brett Stevens hire. The New York Times just kind of got passive aggressive about that. Like one of their top editor guys started replying

to people on Twitter and saying, Oh, you're going to unsubscribe over this, even though we have the best reporters in the world. Oh, maybe you didn't read Brett's article. But this time, I guess it was bad enough that they felt they had to do something. You know, you know what the difference is is that she used bad language. She was rude. Yeah. She actually used the words that you shouldn't say. Which is why Trump is worse than the Republicans. So that's what the line is now. You cannot use the N word, but you can talk about a disease of the Arab mind and that's still okay. So, um, great. Yeah, she has a lot of like passive aggressive shit up on her page. She says she's hitting pause

on her Patreon, which is sad. Well, I mean, I've, I don't have a Patreon. What I have is I have an Amazon wish list with a track suit on it. It's size large. I would like someone to buy it for me. It's in my pin tweet. That's all I want. Right. He's a thirst trap and he wants, he wants sexy boys online to buy him stuff. So, you know, this, this is a well-known kink. The idea of basically twinks appearing in track suits. Great. There's a great vice article about it. Great. Fine. Someone who likes that do that. Buy that for me, please. What are you going to do for them? Are they going to get some good content in terms of photos? I'll basically do whatever. I just really want a track suit. But I think what, what that shows us about the New York times, and you correct me if

I'm wrong here, Emily, is that just it is a good, it is an organization that appears to be, or at least from an editorial perspective, way more concerned with respectability than with anything that might be approaching truth, or dare I say justice. Yeah, certainly. I mean, if they wanted accuracy, they probably wouldn't have like fired half their copy editors. But yeah, I mean, they're even on the surface, they're very committed to the like Hillary centrist version of being a Democrat. And if you try to go further left than that, they kind of just attack you like they're never going to be interested in representing the views of their readers who are like Bernie supporters, further left than Bernie, anything like that. It's also kind of sinister that these like extremely

right wing decisions keep getting made like with Quinn Norton, and Brett Stevens, that these people who are actually deeply racist seem to be getting hired. It makes you wonder like what, like, who at the New York Times actually supports these beliefs? Because they'll say like, oh, we're just like, we're doing it in the interest of like ideological diversity. Clearly, they don't really care about ideological diversity. So like what kind of commitment do they actually have to these views? Well, it's clearly they they that that's the diversity they want is they want a diversity of different kinds of Republican. Yeah, like stretching all the way from like Hillary supporter to like fascist light. A diversity of which which race should we ban next?

Isn't it all right? Have they gone too far? It's it's getting a bit late here and here and here and all blighty. So I might I might say Emily and Luke, thank you guys very much for coming on to the show. No problem. Thank you. This was excellent and informative. Milo, find me a tracksuit. Make me. Cowards. All right, later, everybody.