TRASHFUTURE - *UNLOCKED* 5000 Columbos feat. Gregk Foley

Episode Date: December 31, 2025

We've unlocked a bonus episode from earlier in the year to publish this week, and we hope your holidays are great. One more thing... we get Gregk Foley from the brand new Bloodwork Podcast on to talk about a company that can only be understood as "weaponised geoguessr." Also, Euan Blair's tie up with Louis Mosley (who could have seen that coming!) and a mural of horrors goes up in Kingston. Get more TF episodes each week by subscribing to our Patreon here!   TF Merch is still available here!   *MILO ALERT* Check out Milo’s tour dates here: https://www.miloedwards.co.uk/liveshows Trashfuture are: Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), Hussein (@HKesvani), Nate (@inthesedeserts), and November (@postoctobrist)

We are going to work it so that you'll have a one approval process, not have to go through 50 states in the United States. You know, you can't go through 50 states. You have to get one approval. 50 states is a disaster because you have one woke. state and you'll have to do all woke. You'll be back into the woke business. We don't have woke anymore in this country. It's virtually illegal. But you'll have a couple of wokesters and we don't want to do that.

Woke, it's got a regenerating health bar, got shields. We thought we took down Woke, but then it's health bar flashed and it got bigger. We all have been there. We all have been there. We tell you, it's there a couple of wokesters left and we're not going to get 100% completion. The woke is a kind of optional boss, yeah It's so cool that this dementia-ridden pedophile as president So what is he talking about?

He's talking about getting data centers approved And he's saying that if you have to go through all 50 states One of the woke ones is going to make your AI woke This I mean this is the thing right with any president Whether you like them you shouldn't or not right The job kills them eventually because it's just too big and too weird and it just, it fries their brain. And ultimately, like this week, the week where everything is falling apart, you're seeing sort of Trump as a man on the, on the brink, you know, he just, he should have, he should have stayed home. I'm going to actually say if actually he's right and I'm going to tell you the reason why.

So I recently applied for a job with Zoran and I got it and I'm on a project where I'm inventing creating something, which I'm going to exclusively review. is going to be called Mamdan AI. And the whole point is to make the AI woke, right? And so when it goes to New York, like, we're going to corrupt it by making, making the AI work and it's going to, like, fry it all the AI people's brain. There's something weird with this AI. It keeps trying to give me they, them pronouns. Yeah, also, like, if you use it, you become Muslim, and that's kind of like...

Maybe we don't need the AI for that. Not again? Not again! Yeah, so I love working on Zeran's campaign where my job is. to use Mumdane AI to turn everyone Shia. My boss knows all about it and he's smiling at me and nodding his head. I haven't done Shia yet, actually.

So, you know what? If I ever did do the comeback, I would have to sort of like, in the name of bipartisanship, that's what I would have to do. So maybe. I don't know. I mean, you know,

there's a lot of like ornaments and rituals and that can be quite fun. But also, like, it does take up like a lot more time than like the Sunni version does. I got to be honest. I was quiet questing for a while. The thing that's got me wound up about this is that, like, I have literally, for a recent

episode, just spent like a week reading about, like, the Weimar Constitution and Article 48 and the Enabling Act. And, like, say what you want about that stuff. Like, there at least is some kind of a sequence or procedure that you have to go, I kind of impressively pulled that off. And then you turn on to this fuck queer. And it's literally a thing where it's like, oh, yeah, it needs to be just one state, like, fuck all 50, because it's all woke.

So you just need, like, I see the brute force because of woke. Like, yeah, woke, woke, like, nah, can't have the woke AI. woke states, like none. It's like, fuck, this really is like second time as farce, isn't it? Yeah. Mode Hitler. It's true. I mean, yeah.

I mean, pretty much, like, I, I, you've sort of put in more like articulate terms, but it is something that I was sort of, I think about whenever I kind of like read the dang news, which is just like, it does sort of feel like we're repeating a lot of things that happen in the 20th century, but we're also being like much more dumb about it. Well, like the second time in a row for Hussein, like, you don't got to hand it to Hitler, however. You know what?

say what you will. He was able to string a sentence together. You know what else? We know what other pattern from history were repeating? It's not introducing the show at the start. That's right. I wanted to do a little cold open to give a little spice to it. Let me just suggest. Let me just pitch something to you. Something I like to call the hot open. The hot open where I say something like, hey, welcome to TF. It's Riley Nova Hussein's a bonus episode. We are here with Greg Foley. I'd say first time, long time. Absolutely. And the host of the new show Bloodwork about the epistemology of violence. Epistemology, economy, libidinal drives, politics, sociology, culture.

Babe, you can fit a lot on this thing. Fantastic. Thank you very much for having me. Lovely to be here. Yeah, I would say that would be a good way to introduce the show. But we didn't do that, so, you know. No. Good thing we didn't.

It's a good, you know what? We tried both, and then next time we'll see which will we prefer. So I found a company that I think is pretty aligned with a little bit of the kinds of things Greg thinks about. It can only be described as weaponized geogessor. Fantastic. Which is pretty cool. It's great.

I love it. But before we get there, I have a couple of news items, which is, did you know, I don't know, maybe you did know, maybe you didn't, that some man-made horrors beyond comprehension have emerged in Kingston on Thames in London. Oh, okay. Yeah. I mean, it seems a likely place for them. Yeah. Yes, the annual Christmas mural in Kingston contains pictures of people melting into snowmen.

I'm seeing this now. Yeah, it's got a bit Hieronymus Bosch. They aimed for Broigel and they went past Broigel and they hit Bosch which is a easy thing to do I don't if you know how accurate you actually are with that point I mean I'm liking the kind

of snowman with the three melting fur hands and also the fur top hat and the broken nose, a snowman with a broken nose dangerous character in Tinseltown you wouldn't want to fuck with him Can I just interject in this very smart point to say but I really want Big John to say

Hieronymus Bosch All right big John John, if you're listening. I mean, look, we have a connect. The screen rock guy is, if you're listening to this, can you please get Big John to say Hieronymus Barsh? Yes, perfect. And I'd be very happy if he did that.

So dogs are blurring into chickens. Humans are transforming into animals. It's full of grotesque. That dog has a backward tail for a head. Yeah. Burning penguins. This feels portentious. Burning penguins is really, really good.

I just, you remember how it used to be, you know, before woke when you used to sort of gather around with your family or grill penguins together. You know, would you be shivering in the, shivering from the cold breeze and toss another penguin on the fire? Can I just ask? Because I live in Kent and I'm not sorry about that. What is, is there something wrong with it? Well, here's the thing.

This, according to London centric, apparently the most loud complaints by locals in Kingston, have been coordinated on Facebook groups, which suggest that the image of people running across a frozen Thames. So this was portraying a time where the Thames froze in the 19th century and people like had a big party on it. I'm pretty certain people in the 19th century had like, you know, pencils and stuff. So they could like draw pictures off it. But I'm sure none of those exist still. No, no, no, no, of course. So you had to do this. So anyway, what happened is a number of people organized on Facebook to suggest that a picture of people at Christmas running across the body of water was supportive of small boats.

That's right. Yeah. Oh, okay. It's woke. It's actually been woke the whole time. Yeah. Because typical migrants coming over here burning our traditional penguins. They don't want you to know this, but in Richmond upon Thames, they're burning the penguins.

They're eating the penguins. Yeah, they use the mom done AI to make this woke mural. This is really good. I look forward to more forms of kind of migrant paranoia in the sense. of completely disconnected from reality being like, you know, living in, you know, down the terms in Henley being like stop the boat about the boat race. Okay, the boat race is supportive of the concept of boats in general. Yeah, I think we as a country, right, will only be free from like the tyranny of globalization

when every single British person no longer understands the concept of a boat and believes that you die when you go in water like in GCA vice city. Well, I'm going to say we're going to be like when China destroyed. destroyed its navy in 1525. We'd be like, no more boats. Yeah, we'd be like that. That well-known event when China destroyed its navy. Yeah.

My favorite part of this story is the quote from the restaurant manager, where he just says, there's clearly something political about it, but nobody knows what it is. If ever there was a slogan for our times, that's it. Thank you to that, man. Some politics is happening. Can't quite put on. But the thing is right, if there is something political about it,

but you're not sure what it is, like, I have two answers for you. The first one, don't worry about it. Like, the second one is, maybe you're out of your depth. But in either case, like, you can just move on. I feel like just a mural for a Christmas. Yeah, like, the water's frozen. You can't be out of your depth.

Well, I'm looking at this, and this man is wearing, like, a kind of Santa Claus hijab. Which, that is my depth. That is exactly my depth. Used to be mine, but, you know, I got better. We have appeared to have engaged in, um, possibly they've opened a portal with this, with this dark ritual. Well, you get enough penguins together, you know, so. Yeah.

Yeah, portal's inevitable that many penguins. At this point, it's not a question of whether you got a portal, it's a question of how many? See, this is the thing is that, like, one of the criticisms that people have is that, like, the figures in his mural bare no resemblance to real British people in social life, to which I say, like, I think the British flatter themselves, frankly. We're much more grotesque. We've all got that one friend with the, like, broken carrot nose. I'm in there three times.

Actually, after this, I'm going to go hang out with my friend who's currently, like, mid-level anamorphing into a chicken. There's so many fur top hats, which, to be fair, there was a time in British life when you could have said that, just walking around, or be it in Camden, but still. What, like 2006? Yeah, can't wear any more because of woke. That's right. We appear to have opened a portal in Kingston, but like you say, we don't know what the portal is to or why it's open, but it's clearly open. Okay, sure.

Acts accordingly. Yeah. So, you know, be careful. We don't know why. Or of what. If you feel out of your depth of any of this stuff, I feel like this sort of, yeah, you were right. Like, the short-term survival advice is just keep it moving, you know? Yeah.

You're going to see a lot of shit like this in, like, the future until the AI bubble burst. So, you know, for the next couple of weeks, you're going to see some burning penguins on stuff. Just, just like, head down, headphones in, just keep it moving. Yeah. So the thing is, you're going to see, if you don't do that, then you're in danger of trying to be like, this says something about society and then trying to figure out what it says. And then you're going to be on Facebook complaining about small boats and burning penguins. Yeah.

Maybe society has enough. nothing to say to you on this point. So I want to move on a little bit because it's time to visit an old friend. Our good old friend, Ewan, the son of Tony Blair, Blair. One of the all-time sons, you have to say. Oh, one of the, like, a son beaten only by the Han the Web guy. Yeah. In terms of like overall sunpower.

Sunpower, kind of ubiquity, unwantedness by us. Yeah, the only thing is, you know what it is, it's like what you and Blair, lacks in sheer son chutzpah of Richard Evans, Hawn the Web, just to remind everyone, hawn the web.combe.uky, is he makes up for, and unfortunately, utter ubiquity

and a sort of significant place in our economy that is not just selling access to his father. So, because you and Blair started multiverse, a company that was supposed to replace universities with apprenticeships and whose whole model was basically just hovering up huge amounts

of the government's apprenticeship levy that was meant to get people into careers, but instead just keeping it. Oh, cool. My favorite part of any government policy is when some guy who's connected takes a bunch of it for something that everyone knows won't work. You know, there's middle needs. A man. Yeah. Well, here's the thing, right? You know, you're not like placing apprentices anymore. No one's hiring. So you got to pivot, right? Okay, sure. He's apprenticeships solved. Next question. So now he is turning to the NHS. Oh, good. Okay. sure. Yeah. Blair, who runs the tech group multiverse, not a tech company out of this, the credulous, I mean,

the people who are actively promoting him in the telegraph are like, oh, the tech group multiverse, not a tech company, just a way to privatize public capital, says that AI could successfully reverse NHS workforce productivity decline and ultimately save lives. They said, Blair said his company, which he founded in 2016, plans to train up thousands of doctors, nurses, and support staff to use AI to improve services for patients, saying, quote, the stakes are so high if we don't take the workforce in the journey, you add to the productivity doom loop and people will die. This is an adoption challenge as much as it is a technology challenge. You've got to start with the tens of thousands and then scale up to the hundreds of thousands

of workers because everyone's being impacted. Every, because the current government's attitude towards doctors and nurses is one of like West Streeting saying, we will put you in a fucking gulag if you strike again, right? And this is not working. So really, I'm looking forward to, I guess the army at this point sort of herding a bunch of junior doctors into a room so Tony Blair's kid can be like, okay, so this is an iPad. Man selling monorail says only monorail can reverse decline of downtown district. The fucking doom loop bit as well is such a like, you know how on like any of my

podcasts you can like guess which movie I've seen most recently, like book I've read most recently? That's fine because I'm an idiot professionally. But like you're not supposed to be able to do that for like the guy who's putting like AI in the NHS. And the doom loop thing is such a fucking obvious buzzword, you know? It's a buzzword that refers to like, oh, it's in a productivity doom loop because any time they spend catching up to their current, like, to meet their current backlog, their backlog is just getting worse. But yeah, absolutely it's, instead of saying like an underfunding crisis,

you can call it a doom loop because that sounds like it's something inherent to like the structure of the NHS itself, it's something faulty with it. It's not that it's being sabotaged. It's just, it's in one. of these things somehow. We don't know how it got there. You know, he says, anyone who has the experience

of spending time in the NHS is typically horrified to discover things are still down on pen and paper. Famously, there are still fax machines. I'm willing to get fully special interest about that and be like sometimes

that is the best solution to a technological problem as a fax machine. Yeah, it is like genuinely like it is and there is like research to sort of suggest that is the case. Also like there are specific reasons why like those tech because like the thing that I sort of get frustrated by

is this sort of sense of like, oh, the NHS, it's really outdated. And if it sort of became really modern with like touch, like, everything was touch screen and it would just sort of be better. Which, like, number one, there are lots of fucking examples like around to say, to sort of prove otherwise in terms of like, I very, I do challenge a lot of people to kind of think of a industry where like things kind of became sort of touch screenified and like services got better. I don't necessarily think that there really is an example of it. But also, like, I know people who are doctors who kind of, like, who have said, but yeah, like, those fax machines, like, they still mostly communicate via email, right? Like, that is, like, the way in which, like, it is a sort of modern organization in that way. Like, fax machines are kind of used for, like, specific kinds of documents or to sort of,

like, if there are stuff, it just sort of needs to be sent immediately, like, it's much easier to sort of see stuff on paper. If, like, you take handwritten notes, for example, it's quicker to use a fax machine to sort of send that through than to, like, scan it into a computer and then, like, your Adobe AI is like, they're like, you know, trying to change everything and like put, you know, fucking sparkly stickers over it before. Like, I don't know, like, Adobe AI fucking sucks. I have so many, like, issues with it.

But the point as being that, like, those fax machines and like those types of older technologies, like, they exist for a reason. And like, they are sort of using the technology that they have to the optimal ability that it could, but also like the idea that this is sort of like a relic that shows how kind of antiquated the NHS is. And it's like, well, running like a medical institution. especially to that scale is like you cannot just sort of go in and like techify everything

it doesn't work like that very similar almost to pilots actually and the way in which pilots still kind of use very old school methods like checklist methods and stuff to sort of like allow planes to sort of fly safely desire to like smoothen it right to make it all an app there are also like security can like

I'm just weird that you talking about planes you've got me thinking about the planes is a very similar thing in terms of security like certain systems you don't actually want them to be streamlined and made smoother so that anybody can walk up to them and use them. That can actually be a security hazard. A lesson of like kind of modernisation, so to speak, in terms of like, oh yeah, let's move

all our information to the cloud. All of your information has now been sort of like hacked and is now locks behind some random way. Exactly. But also, like, I think about like the McDonald's near my house, for example, and the fact that like they always have these very long lines because they have four of the touchscreen systems and only two of them work because like no one knows how to fix the other two, like as far as I'm aware, right?

And so it's just like, well, this hasn't like made anything easier. It's made it like more difficult. And also like we are, you know, in this country, we experience all the time like the effects of that type of kind of, you know, the so called technological upgrades that exist so that they cut costs. And really, and I guess like the point I'm trying to get to is that like it's one thing to sort of make an argument of like, okay, we want to sort of like introduce more modern technology as part of like, you know, a sort of expansive overhaul of the NHS in order

to make it function better. But the actual, like, what they're trying to do is just sort of be like, we want to integrate AI into everything, not really to sort of improve health outcomes, not really to actually achieve anything other than to sort of like sustain the AI hype and make money off the back of it, you know? I'll say this a couple of things. Number one, the fax machine, it's a folk devil. It's a folk devil in the NHS that these people love to evoke. Absolutely. Number two. So Multiverse on Monday in order to do this has announced a major tie up with Palantir.

That's right, baby. Let's go. One of the other great sons, I guess grandsons. Yeah. Ewan Blair and Lewis Mosley, who we spoke about in the interview with Sasha on the free episode, believe there could be things are about to change because of their tie up. Palantir has spent months introducing a software into NHS Trust and hooking up their disparate data sources. All trusts are being ordered to sign up for it for critical work by April next year.

Multiverse's training for NHS staff will begin next February with the cost covered by the government's growth and skills levy, so Ewan's found another pot of money to put himself in front of. Cool. That's, I mean, that's impressive, actually. Here's the incredible set of sentences. Having the technology is all well and good, but the NHS actually has to encourage its staff to use Palantir's AI tools to their full potential.

That's where you and Blair steps in. Just a question, just a quick question. Is this popular with healthcare workers? Do they like doing it? No, they don't. Not until Multiverse get involved. Okay. So Multiverse's job is to be like, hey, see, you know, Palantir?

You know the guys who are, you know, sort of, deeply enmeshed in all the worst and sort of nastiest parts of the security state. Well, why don't you try incorporating them into your practice? Hey, pretty good. Yeah. And it even says, because it's the telegraph, they're even like, Hallantir is even helping the NHS absorb and, like, absorb the impact of resident doctor strikes.

You can use it to break strikes. Cool. Pretty cool. Yeah, I mean, the whole thing does, it does seem a bit like a heavy-handed metaphor where they're like, the idea is for you and Blair to help guide NHS staffs through the steps required to get the most out of Lewis mostly. I mean, like, I hope nobody here minds me saying this, but I find Ewan sort of aggravating.

I don't have to cut that. Yeah, the thing is we actually do tend to brief every guest before they come on. We must have missed that one. He's actually funding Muldan AI, so, yeah, that's going to be your lot. You have to check with the most controversial stances. I mean, no, because my issue with you and Blair and the Blair family more broadly, is that, like, first of all, we already have one Blair, who's wandering around telling us that we're doomed

if we don't get involved with, like, AI and digital ID. Like, your dad already does that. And he is one of the primary reasons the world is in such a dire condition right now. And none of those are the reasons that you or your dad want to acknowledge, let alone talk about. So there's that.

But then, like, the other thing about it is that, like, I was just thinking the other day with, like, Trump having MBS at the White House. And, like, Trump is literally pointing over MBS and be like, yeah, it turns out, like, no one actually like Koshoggi and it's kind of good that he died. And MBS is like, okay, great.

Like, Tony Blair has his entire job for 20 years has been, like, greasing the wheels between, like, Gulf states, monarchy and dictatorships and making them more, like, amenable on a diplomatic stage. And, like, he's completely redundant. And, like, this entire project here with multiverse with you and Blair is basically him coming along

and being like, I'm Tony Blair's son and I'm here to grease the wheels in order to get you in touch and Palantir. And Palantir are just like, yeah, we're already fucking in the building. Like, we don't, like, it is an entire family of redundancy. And in terms of, like, sharing cost and, like, dead weight or saying, like, the number one thing would be for you guys to just, please, just go away and stop talking because you're not actually needed. And as a matter of fact, like, even without the Blair's, like, we have west-streting

the porcelain child, like, waiting in the wings just like to jump in and do it all. Like, you are not required. You are surplus to requirements. Go and enjoy your money. That's the thing. To them, it is essential, right? And, like, the same way as we see with a lot of other things where it's like, no, one of the sort of unavoidable things, one of the points of doing things this way is so that you and Blair can get his money up. Yeah, it's, look, for such a son as that to go unpaid, for such a scandal. It would be a scandal. It would be, it would be horrific. I wouldn't want to live in a country that didn't pay you and Blair, oh, you know, potentially millions to do nothing.

Oh, yeah, because of course, has his company ever turned a profit? Absolutely not. Well, I mean, that's just because he's so, like, caring towards. Yeah, exactly. He wants to give everyone AI training, I guess, now apparently. Yeah, and you're welcome. He wants to shepherd Lewis Mosley into the NHS to break the power of organized labor. No, you sway to.

It does feel like quite a fucking, I don't know if I could even call it a metaphor. It just, it's the literal thing. It just is the thing. It is, it is, it is just, it's galling to see it. It's, you don't want first as tragedy, second time as fast to be true as often and as like, you know, as regularly as it is. Yeah. Like, like, we should have been done with the dads. We shouldn't be getting the sun redo performance.

Yeah, like a guy who reads Marks one time and is like, you can predict everything that's going to happen, should have stayed a joke in Hail Caesar rather than a type of person you actually kind of end up being. Yeah, it's just like with the Epstein emails thing. It's like, I really thought it would be more complex than this. Can I draw attention to a certain paragraph that really pricked my attention? I'm just going to read this. So far, at least, the market is buying what Mosley and Palantir are selling. Shares are up 2,000 percent since the launch of Chad GPT three years ago, while UK revenues last year hit 304 millions.

So, first of all, did you know that disco record sales were at 400% for the year ending in 176? Secondly, Riley, quick question. Do we have any knowledge about how Mosley's boss, Peter Thiel's stake in NVIDIA is doing? Oh, I wouldn't worry about it. I wouldn't worry about Oracle. He didn't offload his entire stake in Nvidia maybe three days ago. No, neither did Masayoshi San. To be fair, that was just to invest in open AI again.

Yeah, yeah. That's, of course, the other thing about Palantir is, again, this, that the Telegraph article entirely elides, is that Palantir is a meme stock. It's one of the meme stocks. It's like retail traders just ape into it, like, wholesale. It's a thing that happened. And it has been for, like, since COVID, not just since the launch of fucking Chad GPT. Hey, but there's fringe benefit from this. We're all going to get to see a lot more of Alex Carp.

Aren't we happy about that? I love that. He has a sword. He's a sword guy. Yeah. That's pretty good. I mentioned that in the article as well. I mentioned it from the article.

All right, all right. I want to move on. I want to talk about Grey Lark, geo spy, weaponized geogess or whatever. So Greg and I've been talking about, like, a good topic for him to come on with. And I just, like, I stumbled across this company while, following the posts of like, well, following a chain of the quote tweets of an annoying guy, essentially. The best ways to do it, I would say. Oh, of course.

Guy powered research. This guy is annoying and he is a guy. He is annoying. He's a guy. He's a guy. Both of those points. His name's Daniel Heinen. He's from Boston and he has created a version of Geogessor for cops.

This is weaponized geogessor. I wish it was more complicated than that. That is exactly what it is. Like, I really didn't think the revolution was going to hinge on that one guy basically for the next six months in order to thwart this technology. basically sitting in a room going, yeah, goat farm, Uzbekistan, goat farm, Uzbekistan, go farm, Uzbekistan,

just to confuse this program. That is literally, it's all hindering on this at this point. We have to turn Rainbow to the side of good, right? Like, if he isn't already, we have to get Rainbolt and DSA. Look, we've identified that the chap hop people, we, our intel,

I just, I mentioned once. Intelligence received is, listen, we have people everywhere. And if you mention Mr. B, the Gentleman Rimer, right, someone will reach out to you and go, oh, yeah, Mr. Be the Gentleman Rhymer's woke. He's cool. And I'm like, okay, he's not cool.

Yeah. No, let's not start using the C word. Cool. No, Mr. Be the Gentleman. I will happily concede that Mr. Be the Gentleman and other sort of chat pop luminaries are like politically on the right side. It's a big tent, right? It's a sort of doesn't have to be a bus, not a taxi, right? It doesn't have to be a perfect coalition.

We don't have to sit near them. It's fine. No one thing works. It's going to take everybody wrapping at it from different angles to bring it down. It's any other Manchurian candidate activation phrase for Uncle Adams. We're talking to Grey Lark, which has a product called GeoSpy, weaponized Geogessor. They say, enhance your investigation. You know your investigations with AI-powered location intelligence designed to help government

and law enforcement teams uncover critical insights faster and with greater precision. And they also say they help enterprise investigations with faster, smarter, location intelligence. Yeah, location intelligence or knowing where stuff is. Yes. They call it visual super intelligence or yeah, I call that knowing where stuff is. Yeah, I call it, knowing where stuff is. Yeah. Like super, a lot. I know where a lot is. But so they're, but they're all their videos that they should post in their

social media show examples of using their platform. And again, it's videos of people using their platform. So I always am like, I don't know how much of this to believe. Because some of it's certainly possible in theory, but like how much of this is hugely overhyped. It is, again, it's hard to say. It's not like we have access to their back end and, you know, we wouldn't know what to do with it if we did. But what they claim to be able to do is take a photo, any random social media photo, and the example that they use, or one of the examples they use is some drill wrap and be like, we can locate these criminals. And then they take a tiny screenshot of this drill wrap video and then they upload it to their program.

And then it geogesses the whole thing. And they say, oh, we can do buildings. we can identify anything from tiny, blurry pixels because our AI is so good. Again, I am skeptical, yeah. Take it with a boulder of salt. Yeah, where's your kind of data for that coming from? Yeah. And also, I think whenever we talk about these companies,

we talk about them as though that what they're saying is plausible because it shows what they want to do and what people want them to do and what the market seems to like. So a detective at a large metro police department said, Gray Lark helped us apprehend a dangerous fugitive in under 20 minutes. This tool is unbelievable, a game changement for law enforcement operations. Arguably, if it was within 20 minutes, maybe not that dangerous then. Also, this is the other thing is especially, like, with everything, but especially in relation

to product endorsements, no one lies more than the police, right? Like, you really have to internalize that. And particularly, whenever they get cops to say, hey, we love this technology, this technology really works. No, it doesn't, right? like you can look at shit like I don't know anything shot spotter for instance

that you know like Chicago spent millions on that and it didn't fucking work ever oh can I can I give you a new example of that that's like three days ago that was just been rattling around in my head please yeah so you know how Ben Horowitz just keeps giving the Las Vegas police department like Predator Thrones yeah

the horror was from Andresen Horowitz he is now deployed the one with the normal shaped head or it's like sort of the inverse you know he's got a big divot in the top of it. So, this is a press release. In a highly visible move blending innovation, corporate influence, and public safety.

Don't you love when a highly visible move blends innovation, corporate influence in public safety? I would say that that's one of my favorite things. And also, I would express that with like three M dashes as well. The Las Vegas Police Department has rolled out the country's largest fleet of cyber trucks donated by Ben Horowitz. Awesome. I listen, I support any tech bro's project to make America's police cars worse. Do you have a lot of them lying around by any chance? Yeah, well, they appear to.

Oh, strange. Also, yeah, it's like, what we're doing is all those cops, they feel like Halo. It was in Vegas, too. Yeah, yeah. Vegas, this sort of unreality field extends to having a loop there and having cyber truck police cars there. Yeah, so, like, they used to, they used to, yeah, they donate a bunch of, like, drones, plate readers. Just basically, and recent horror is just using Las Vegas.

as like the test bed for police technology. And now it's like, okay, you have the country's largest fleet of cyber trucks. You have the country's largest fleet of unintentional vehicle-borne IEDs now. Does a police car need to be able to, like, hit a curb without exploding? Should a leaf be able to fall on it without a catching fire? This is another example, though, because like the Las Vegas Police Department now will just be like, we love everything Ben Horowitz gives us. We think it's great.

So the thing they claim is back to the Greylark is their visual intelligence platform turns photos into intelligence, no metadata required. Which is great. If there's one thing I want, it's security programs that work off of less information. That's really good. Pretty good. Please, have it out of it. GeoSpy has enabled law enforcement governance needs to act swiftly determining the locations of suspects and criminals. They called it geospy?

Yep. It's like geogessor, but, you know, more operator. It would have Rainbolt was like wearing a skull net gator. And like a high-cut helmet? Yeah, sure. What if Rainbolt was dressed exactly like the glasses guy from Sicario? One of my favorite things about G.S. Byers, they've actually segmented it into three separate products. And I'm just going to read them to you now.

Global search estimates the location of an image anywhere in the world, typically within one to 100 kilometers without needing prior location input. That's one. Now we zoom in a little bit more. Street search. Pinpoints the location of a street-level image within a few meters when the city is known or specified. Now we zoom in a little bit more. property search identifies the exact location of a building or nearby structure from an image

provided the city is known the whole time i was reading that i was just thinking of robin williams in one-hour photo just looking up from that family's photo packs and going there's got to be a better way yeah oh also the margin of error of between one and 100 kilometers it's like listen we got you we got you a hundred kilometers away from whatever it is i wouldn't lose any sleep over this sorry you hate innovation quick question as a police officer or federal law enforcement official ever been a dangerous stalker? Oh, I don't know. I mean, don't worry about it. How many stories have you read in your life about the police going to the wrong address by accident and then raiding that address and like, I don't know,

driving an MRAP through a wall full of puppies or like, you know, throwing a flashbang into someone's babies caught or whatever. I don't want to cross-promote too much, but that's exactly what took down Randall Weddle in London, Kentucky. was they didn't have GeoSpy. So, yeah, but you say they have these, like, these products. And again, like, this used to be available to just for people to use. And half the use cases that people used it for were cheating on Geogessor or, like, stalking someone. Yeah, exactly.

Two equally dishonorable pursuits, as far as I'm concerned. But they also have this article about why heroes deserve AI. Heroes deserve the most AI. All police officers deserve a Tesla cyber truck, in my opinion. It takes a lot of training to do whatever this fucking computer tells me to do. Because also, by the way, it's another great accountability sink of just being like, oh, I went, I drove the MRAP, like what you were saying, November is I drove this MRAP through this guy's house and I killed all of his dogs and also him.

And it was, it was the AI. Yeah, it should have given me the right address, but it didn't. And so ultimately, I'm blameless here. Yeah, and then just like the self-driving car thing, it's like, well, you know, without AI assistance, cops do that all the time. And it's like, yes, but now they're able to claim. that they're not liable for it. Yeah.

And it's just like frequency as well. It's like if this becomes a kind of standard investigative tool, then it's like all the time this will go wrong, you know? Yeah, it's just wherever this is deployed, there will be as many MRAPs as there are, there will be crushed walls and squished dogs. It's like a distinct kind of dystopia where it's like you can now be killed

because your doorbell matched the description, you know? It's like one of those nature documentaries of the honeybees like massing around a hornet to kill it, except it's just M-rats going on someone's dog. Sorry, we parked 50 cyber trucks on top of you and your family, but in our defense, your car looks kind of like the car that we thought we were looking for, which turned out to be wrong. Yeah, we were actually looking for a snowman with a broken nose.

Sorry. Just cops, like, smashing through a wall going, you just got a geogast. So GCA4, right, the cop AI in that didn't have, I might not have been four, it might have been one of the early ones, but the cop AI was as simple as get as close to the player as possible, which led to them accidentally implementing, like, you know, ramming the car off the road or whatever. But now we're just doing that in real life. And that's going to be fantastic, I think. Well, you know what the way I see this kind of thing is, it is an AI hallucination in real life is what that will do. Because if they're 20 MRAPs crash through your house,

demolishing it because of fucking weaponized geogessor, then what you have done is, you have lived inside an AI hallucination. 100 MRAPs, 25 each cardinal compass direction, right? Or converge directly on top of my absolutely obliterated body. And then you turn around and say, like, you destroyed my house, and they turned around and go, what house? And like, I wish I was joking about that, but like, so forgive me, I'm going to go, like, so for some reason over the past few years, for whatever reason, I have somehow become

conditioned to approach a lot of these products with the most cynical reading possible. I don't know why that is. But like, the way I look at a lot of AI products, there is a sort of tendency within the use cases of these kind of AI products to operate in a sort of inverse relation with their proclaimed purpose or ultimate end, whether that is like truth, representation, understanding, informing, clarity, whatever. So like on these guys' website, Greylock, when they say law enforcement and intelligence agencies rely on it to geolocate photos for investigations and threat assessments, I think this will be used to generate evidence in its

absence and fabricate threats. And when they say like corporate security teams use it to verify visual content tied to internal risk or asset tracking, I think this will be used for corporate espionage, sabotage and fraud. When they say in insurance and fraud prevention, GeoSpy helps confirm the legitimacy of image-based claims and detects suspicious activity, I say these will be used to penetrate deeper into and then widen the aperture of the space for denial of insurance claims. And then the last one here is really, really important, like when they say, and I find this kind of egregious, to be quite honest with you, journalists and open source investigators leverage its capabilities to verify the origins of media tied to breaking

news, conflict zones, or misinformation. And when I read that, I simply wonder what the news would have looked like following, for example, the murder of journalist Shereen Abu Ackler during the raid on Jenin refugee camp in 2022. And it doesn't exactly inspire confidence when the accompanying photo, they used to tout this misinformation combating capability is what appears to me to be an AI-generated image of a photographer in a press flat jacket in a nondescript urban war zone. Incredible. Your mileage may vary, but I have questions. And to make it worse, the founder, like we said, Please.

Is an annoying guy. Yes, this is true. These are the two levels of analysis that you get from trash each, you know. No, but like, and if I could just say one more thing, why, I don't know, maybe I am being overly cynical, but this is the thing, right? I don't think that's possible when it comes to companies like this. Try it real hard. It's my first time, guys.

I'm trying to be friendly and sociable. Because like, in the instance of verifying images, media, stories coming out of war zones, for example, there are already groups, right? Like forensic architecture, who have been doing hard work performing like geospatial forensic investigations using audio and shrapnel analysis. to like meticulously reconstruct the sites of, for example, war crimes and reassemble events as they happened. But their work has not been enthusiastically received by, for example, Western governments

because the information that they uncover and the analyses that they provide are not the kind that is sought by power. And therefore, it all just prompts the question for me. It's like, what is the actual function of this stuff? Well, it's fine. Listen, you might say from, you know, your painstaking investigation that the IDF appears to have parked 50 MRAPs on top of this hospital. However, our competing cop.

model shows that really it could have been anyone, you know? And then like, but the other thing for me, right, okay, like a few years ago, I was working at sort of like a small town department store and they were about to open with like a fragrance department and like perfumes and cosmetics and all kinds of stuff like that. And I was stood there on the launching there and I was looking around. I was like, you guys have absolutely, you're not prepared for what is about to happen when you open up in this small town with this new like high value goods department. I was like, you absolutely have not made the security preparations you need to do.

Within the first three days, the same guy came in the morning three days in a row and chured the fuck out of the fragrance department. The second day, they came out with a CCTV image. They were like, yeah, this is the guy. This is what he looks like. On the third day, I was stood there as the shutters were coming up. I watched this guy walk in through the building, pull the cap down over his head. And then apparently, I found out the next day. Before he even chured the store, he had gone over to one of the facial counters, booked himself a facial while chatting up one of the countergels,

and then gone and robbed the store and walked out. And like, here's my thing when you come to rob, man. Dudes are so cool. forgive me when it comes to like law enforcement and fighting crime like I have a little bit of a kind of like old school kind of sensibility where I'm like it's a game of cat and mouse and like there's something there should be some kind of like gentlemanly honor to it where it's like I'm sorry you have the cameras you have like all these other things in the store if you can't catch the guy he just wanted it more

like I just think the idea that that guy could now like if you really want to catch a guy like that get a Colombo get someone like that the idea that like that guy can now be rumbled because let's say he's selling the stuff on Facebook marketplace and then they upload the image and then someone gets a corner of a house in the background out of a window and they find him. I just find it ungentlemanly.

It sickens me. Is it still police abolition if you want to replace the police with an all Colombo force? I don't want 500 MRAps. I want 5,000 Columbo's. I want the cigar budget through the fucking roof.

They're still cheaper. They're still cheaper than fucking MRAps. We will issue you the grubbiest raincoat anyone has ever seen. There's going to be so many more things. and there are going to be so many beloved wives I would like the episode so it's supposed to be 5,000 Columbo's place

November look at the group chat I was I was also going to say this is also why like you know many people are against Sadiq Khan in London because they will sort of say that oh like crime has sort of gone up and I'm not one of those people but I'm against Sadiq Khan

when it comes to crime because what I do argue is that crime isn't honourable you know it's all just very you know I want to say echoes Greg point which is like you know there should be more honour in crime there should be like you know

You should want to do the crime, but you should also want to sort of catch the criminal. That one should be so, like, instinctive, if not even erotic at times. You should be involved in a complicated kind of doomed Yuri situation with at least one of those Colombo. Hussain, are you describing the plot of the movie entrapments during Catherine's introes? I was trying to describe the movie heat, but that also is true. They're kind of the same movie. I don't care how big or small the crime is. Every single criminal encounter between, like, criminal and law should be on the level of heat.

Yeah, you have a mandated diner encounter. Absolutely. In the department store cafe. Like, if I see you in the fragrance department peeling off that security sticker, you're going down. Getting accused of snapping the security tag off a dress at Primark and going for me, the action is the juice. See, this is the thing because I can even remember, I can even remember the manager coming over to me. they're like, we need you with this blue permanent marker, all the security

tags on the fragrances, we need you to put like a little blue dot on the stickers. And I was like, why am I putting the blue dot on the security stickers? They're like, because we keep getting robbed in the fragrance department. And I was like, so what is this going to do? They were like, well, we keep finding stickers peeled off and thrown on the floor. So at the very least, like, if we find stickers on the floor that have a blue

mark on them, we know it's come from the fragrance department. So I was like, oh, this crew is good. So I was like, so you guys are getting gone. You just want to find out how bad you're getting got. I think I figured out what they're looking at. You know what they're looking at? Us. The department store loss prevention department.

Oh, this crew is good. Being sort of a fragrance, Waingrove, who imperils the heist. You need, yeah, you need some type of, like, Colombo character, like, is also, is also sort of, like, Jeremy Fagrant. The spectrum of honor in crime and law enforcement extends from Colombo, on the one hand,

the most honorable cop to, wane grow the most dishonourable criminal, right? I will be there, Colombo, because I'll come in and I was like, yeah, just one more thing. My wife loves you. I want more question. Your security department. What wage are they on? 13 pound an hour?

Gee, no, that seems very awfully low. 5,000 Colombo's approaching my location. I am delighted. The future is so close. Ambling towards my exact location. It's a future so close. I can taste it. I can smell it.

I could smell it. We've deployed the Colombo rapid response force. Unless we build 5,000 Colombo's future. I will, I'll take that one. Can I, please? Sorry to do a segue. I have a question to ask, Riley. Did you have a look at the LinkedIn page for the company?

I didn't look at the LinkedIn page. I read their entire blog. It's so exciting. Where they're like, yeah, we started three brothers living in a one-bedroom apartment in Boston. Okay. So however annoying you thought they were, give it a specific Boston inflection, please. So when I was looking at this, I wasn't quite sure whether to not take it seriously or to be kind of terrified by it. And I'm still on the fence about that. Hey, that's where we live.

Absolutely. We are in that zone. Welcome. But I did. I went onto the Grey Lark LinkedIn. I'm so excited to talk to you about this because I went on to the LinkedIn's died looking through it. And I was wondering, you know, should I be worried about this or should I treat it with derision that it deserves or is it a little bit of both? I'm going to read a post to you now that I found on the Greylark LinkedIn page from one week ago and presumably November 11th Veterans Day isn't just a date on the calendar

It's a reminder I see an M-Dash Of the courage sacrifice An unwavering commitment shown by those who served In the German three Today and every day We pause to honour you

Thank you for defending what so many of us get To simply enjoy Now I'm not finished So every day So Veterans Day is every day at Greylark Absolutely. Okay, good. But I'm not finished because there was an image attached,

which had a quote from General Mark A. Millie. I'm going to read you that quote now. Thank you for your courage. Thank you for your sacrifice. Thank you for defending what so many of us get to simply enjoy. We are the home of the free because we are the home with the brave. Would anyone like to guess what I'm going to tell you now? I'm almost thinking that Mark Millie maybe did not say those words in that order.

Yeah, not true, baby. Made it up. I have been on Google and I was using the quote, and everything. I've been searching high and low trying to find any event in which General Mark A. Millie said anything resembling those words. I have not been able to find them anywhere. So, yeah, made up, not true, fake quote. Also, weird for like a sort of verified Twitter Elon poster to be quoting the soy, woke, gay general that didn't do January 6th. Because there are two sentences in that quote that are very distinctive. So I invite anyone

who's listening to search for either, thank you for defending what so many of us get to simply enjoy. Or we are the home of the free because we are the home of the brave. Not land of the free. We are the home of the free because we are the home of the brave. If you searched out on Google, you will get precisely one Google result. Daniel Hinen's Twitter. I mean, this is the thing. What we really need is we need an image of like a tactical rainbow, just saluting. And I would just also like to point out one other thing that I found out on their LinkedIn, there were several things I found on their LinkedIn to be clear, but one that really stood out to me. One of the demos of their product was using footage from a recent

far right mob attacking a migrant hotel in Dublin, which I thought was really, really funny because it immediately made me think about the British security services being like, oh my God, guys, we can't find Tommy. Has anyone seen him? Oh, he's in Cyprus again. Oh, damn it.

Shaking a fist behind 500 MRAPs. The clumsiest MI5 officer in the world who just keeps losing his number. Yeah, one more thing, my wife loves Cyprus. So Daniel Heinen, this is from his blog, Oh, good. And he says, at our peak, GeoSpy had 2 million free users and averaged about 120,000 searches a day.

Many of my friends insist that I should monetize the free traffic and capitalize on the AI hype. And in Q1 of 2025, we'd completely sunset the public platform to focus on law enforcement and government applications. Some people asked why we made this decision to potentially forfeited millions of dollars in easy revenue. And the answer to that, of course, is they wanted to get money from Andreessen Horowitz's American Dynamism Division.

But the founder of the American Dynamism Division is too busy, like, complaining about like that kids get empathy lessons in schools. He says, when we first launched GeoSpy, we started as three brothers working out of a one-bedroom apartment in Boston. Three brothers. Yeah, but now you look at like Daniel Hinen's Twitter feed. One brother. Yeah, the other two brothers, nowhere to be seen,

airbrushed out of the photo. Yeah. I hope people understand why I mean when I say this. He has such a brotherly face. Mom says it's my turn on the surveillance machine. And so now he just does like engagement farming posts where he's like, All right, Daniel Hinen here. Red flags in a girl's apartment.

Number one, clothes in the floor. Bro, who are you? Number two. Number two, not easily identifiable from any local landmarks. No, it says, closets overflowing with clothes, pile of Amazon boxes,

open food containers in the bedroom, any lamp from Target, a Nespresso machine, tapestry art, and hair in the shower. In the bedroom is nasty work, to be fair. Like, he has kind of got you that.

In the apartment? Yeah. I mean, listen, it's not great coffee, but who fucking cares? The thing is, as you're reading these posts, you need to picture the head of a regional police department, reading these posts and going fax and clicking try a demo. What, just like, like, 60-year-old, like, cop with, like, a million hours of overtime racked up and, you know,

currently on paid administrative leave being like, that is a red flag in a girl's apartment. I'm pretty certain this is 90. I haven't seen, I still haven't seen it yet. I'm 90% sure this is what the sheriff in Eddington is doing on his phone all day. you know and also he's uh he is clearly told everyone who works for him to like post online yeah for his bits which is which is rough you're kind of like a posting slave you know you're you're you're his straight man effectively you're his castello so his uh anastasia sakarava the uh director of operations at graylark uh you know she's like posting a sort of like a picture doing side eye

being like how I look at my CEO after he refuses to let me expense the FSF Girls Weekly Brunch. Then he responds with another one that's like, oh, the way my director of ops and when her two-week-old account is getting more views than mine. And it's like, they're on business trips? That's this cool, fun banter that's delightful. And this is certainly going to appeal to a guy with neck rolls on the back of his head that look like a sort of shrink-wrapped set of hot dogs. And he's then, like, reply to it with a post, like, quoting her post saying, boys, why are you letting her race show me?

I'm like, man, do your job. I'm sorry, like I said, three days in a row, show the fuck out at the department store. I see people that want it and are working for money and grinding, and it's not you. Please, this is what I mean.

I'm sorry, there's honouring crime. There's no honouring this. This is a dishonourable man. He should cut off his top knot. It's so undignified. It's so undignified. The thing is the boss, the boss's an equivalent of the top knot

is they cut the bell off your baseball cap you're running backwards. No, they make you wear a baseball cap, but that is, Completely flat. Yeah. It's not broken in. Yeah, absolutely.

We've mentioned Boston so many times. Another thing from their LinkedIn was a post from the CEO and co-founder where he touted their product's ability to locate a heavily blurred image of Boston Common within a mile. And he ended with a line saying blurring isn't a reliable defense anymore, which is just like, yeah, thanks, man. That's great. That's really cool. Isn't Boston Common? Like, maybe I have a grotesquely inflated opinion of the size, but isn't it about a mile? Very likely.

But it's very impressive nonetheless. I'm sure you'll agree. Oh, yeah. I'm thinking about the end of like casino and forcing Boston Joe Pesci to wear a forward's baseball cap. Making him watch as his brother is forced to wear a forward like a forwards baseball cap. Making him watch as his brother is forced to like wear a forwards New York Mets baseball cap. Oh my God. I've just seen he did a post where he's he's engaged in a farming and he said,

what is something you can say to a VC and in the bedroom which got 17 likes and then it'll apply to his own post, he's then said, my partner is going to love you. Cool. Yeah, pretty good. Yeah, he's so, he's so cool. Yeah, no one has ever been hungry. Because you can always tell if you want, if they want the teal bucks or the A16 Z bucks, no one has ever been

hungrier for the Andresen Horowitz money than this guy. It's also, it's like specifically like revenge of the nerd shit. Like between this and like Alex Carp's sword, I'm just like being governed by the worst fucking idiot's imaginable. I mean, like if I could end with like a

slightly more serious point about this stuff, like continuing on from what I was saying earlier about this kind of like inverse relation to truth and everything like that, like all these kind of like security policing and militarization like AI technologies for me, like the benchmark of this tendency for me is still the lavender AI system that the IDF was using or is still using in Gaza, which was like supposedly a smart targeting program to generate quote unquote legitimate targets for airstrikes. But like from what I could see or see, the real purpose of the system was to generate like thousands of targets that could all be signed. off in a few seconds with as little human oversight as possible, when, like, the question of

overall decisionism can be, like, basically abstracted out to a machine, which could be technically delegated as responsible, but also kind of deliberately and aspirationally rendered, like, charges of responsibility or liability or culpable, like, practically impossible. So you get this kind of, like, disattributed sovereignty where, like, the machine made me do it, but then it's like, okay, so whose fault is in? It's like, well, not mine. The machine did it? It's like, okay, so who's running the machine? Like, and I think the best example of, like, the kind of weird, space that then takes us into was like, I remember 972 magazine reported that the system had only a 10% error rate. But then later reporting 972 confirmed that the IDF's own numbers of killings

in Gaza showed something like 80% of the people killed with civilians. So you're left with this dynamic where there's like a 10% error rate alongside a 90% civilian death toll. And no one even blinks because like truth, veracity, clarity, so on, they've always been pulverized by machine. And so as far as all this stuff is concerned for me, like their utility lies precisely in their potential to destabilize the thing they proclaim to secure. And whether they do that deliberately or just by being wrong for me, like,

it's almost beside the point. Yeah, absolutely. Whether this kind of stuff, like, works or not for me is almost irrelevant. And like, and I think Riley's absolutely, like, correct to point out that,

like, this is ultimately just sort of like gesticulating and prostrating for teal bucks. Like, that is the game. That is the entire game. And like, all these other things in the proclaimed goals and even just having like a pool quote,

like, Mr. Detective from unnamed police department is like, yeah, this is great and we love it and we use it all the time and we caught a felon. Like, yeah, who you want,

whatever. Do you know, why try harder? Yeah. Why even try? Yeah, as you say, it already does the thing you need it to do, which is be credible enough to allow the people who matter to go, eh, good enough, we can meet out violence on the basis of this. Absolutely. It's the same thing as that fucking

like, like, face search clear view thing, where it's like, yeah, you can take a picture of someone on your phone and be like, yeah, that person seems like they've been arrested before you should treat them with, like, fear and suspicion. You know, it's all good enough to just justification for what you wanted to do anyway, which has harassed the people who've been getting harassed for fucking ever. Yeah, and you'd like, it's a,

within the activity of policing, you know, like, there is no, there is no search for evidence. There is, like, a pursuit of the production or generation of evidence, you know? And that's what I mean, like, tools like this, like, I don't view it as a thing that's going to facilitate greater accuracy or precision. If it does, that'll be incidental to the, to its actual, like, primary function, which would be to generate evidence, to generate justifications of things for what police were already wanting or desiring to do. It's desiring production.

Wait, you're telling me that this. law enforcement is, like, criminogenic? Listen to blood work. Oh, see, I knew this was the right. I knew this was the right company for you. Yeah, I mean, it is. It's wonderful and dumb. Like, absolutely.

Like I said, like, I look at stuff like this and then, like, I really don't know whether I'm supposed to be, like, to be laughing at it or terrified. And, like, even in the preparate, yes, exactly. But, like, even in the preparation for this, like, for about a year ago, I went to see the conversation, the Francis Ford Coppola. film with Gene Hackman. And, like, I've had a lot of thoughts about that film because it, like, it animates so much my thinking about this kind of stuff, because with the character of Gene Hackman in the

conversation, you have this guy who, like, he so deeply and intensely, like, understands the security in the surveillance world that he wants to, like, retreat into the private sphere. But even his private sphere has been, like, completely penetrated and corrupted by this space. And then the only way that he can kind of, like, preserve or have any kind of sense of privacy or personal space or interiority is to basically destroy everything. And I think that, like, so many people right now, like struggling with that kind of stuff

when it comes to surveillance and everything like that where like I would much rather not have to deal with and confront this kind of stuff every single day but the only way that I could like reasonably or feasibly do that

is to cut myself off from the world entirely and turn myself into a hermit. Never post another picture. Yeah and it's absolutely maddening and I don't have an answer for that but it is one that I'm glad I've been able to at least enunciate it

because it really does it drives me fucking crazy. Well I mean that's basically that's the promise of this show look I think we're about hitting time here. So I just want to say, Greg, thank you so much for coming actually out today. Yeah, it's been pleasure. And to suggest people go check out Blood Work. Yeah, I've got a little pitch here. Basically, so, yeah, Blood Work, it's a podcast

exploring the phenomenon of this thing that we call violence, broadly construed. So political, economic, libidinal, social and other terms. It's produced by Thomas Omani, who's something you may know from Lion's led by Donkeys, and he's been doing like a really phenomenal job taking my scripts and injecting with sound drops and quirks. A little bit of theory, a little bit of philosophy. for a little bit of history and so on. So we've already done, for example, like an episode on Walter Benjamin, Carl Schmidt,

George Al Gambon. We did a two-part episode on the history of the car bomb. And I think, depending on when this drops, we've got an episode about the history of the Attica Prison Uprising. And one thing I would just sort of like

throw the bat signal out to the TF kind of universe. We do want to do a few more kind of like fun episodes about like film, media, art or whatever. So if there's anyone listening who would like to do,

for example, an analysis of Michael Mann's heat through the lens of the critique of violence. I'm cracking every knuckle in my body at once. I'm so glad to hear you say that. For me, the podcast is the juice. And if there is someone out there who would like to do talk about Paul Schrader's man in a room trilogy and what they have to say about the function of violence and

masculinity and the relation between the two, hit my line. Are you going to ask if anyone wants to talk about tenant as well? Absolutely. Listen, I'm a tenant defender. Whoa, really? Wow. Yeah, absolutely. It's really rare to find someone, genuinely. It's really right to find someone.

Not that we were in any way set against it, but this is like a masterclass over about an hour of how to win over the room I was also going to say I was also cracking my neck when the Paul Schrader stuff sort of came up Oh that's so good to hear it But like no honestly

First time I watched it I was like okay I think this might be the dumbest film I've ever watched it I was kind of like Okay like And then the third The third time I locked in

I was like this makes absolute perfect sense You know what like the cogs are in motion No it does make sense You just have to pay really close attention You just have to lock in You just have to lock in. Well, this is exactly what Christopher Nolan was intending, but you get off your dang phone.

And the problem was no one could get off their dang phones. And so they were looking up and they were just like, oh shit, like, who are they fighting? Which is a question I still ask at the end. Like, who are they shooting at? But like, maybe we can talk about that. Interstellar fucking sucks.

Sorry, Greg, please continue. Yeah, so I was just going to say, yeah, Patreon.com, Bloodwork Show. You can find all the episodes. They're all free on there right now and you can subscribe. We're on blue sky at bloodwork. We're on Twitter and Instagram at Bloodwork Show. If you can't find us, then my suggestion would be go on to your social media site of

choice. Post a picture of your favorite celebrity or cartoon character holding a gun with the phrase, listen to Bloodwork. Two words, blood work. Post that and myself or Tom will be along shortly. And you should try it. It works. Also, shout out to a guy called Burr on Blue Sky, who posted a photo of his own 9mm with

serial covered over with a handwritten message saying, listen to Bloodwork, saying, this is your final warning. I don't want to say that I'm encouraging that kind of behavior, but I will say, if you want to get my attention, that works. Okay, well, clear call to action. Check out blood work. Once again, thank you very much, Greg, for coming in the show. Thank you very much to all our lovely subscribers for subscribing.

My lovely co-as for being here. And we'll see you on the free episode on Monday-ish. Bye-bye. No, Tuesday. We recorded a Monday. It comes out on Tuesday. You know how it is. You're a subscriber.

You know the schedule. Bye, everybody. Bye. I'm going to be able to be a lot.