TRASHFUTURE - Warhammer £80k feat. Josie Long

Episode Date: December 3, 2019

It keeps getting dumber as we get closer and closer to election day! Boris Johnson threatened to pull Channel 4’s licence because they embarrassed him, the Lib Dems are plunging in the polls, and a recent terror attack on London Bridge in turn resulted in Boris going cartoon movie fash. This week, Riley (@raaleh), Milo (@Milo_Edwards), and Alice @AliceAvizandum join special guest Josie Long (@JosieLong) for a roundup of all the very normal goings-on. *Do some canvassing* Momentum (@peoplesmomentum) has a great resource that lets you sign up to canvassing events in marginal seats close to you. Access it here: https://www.mycampaignmap.com The only way we can win is by meeting voters face-to-face, so let's make it happen. *LIVE SHOW TONIGHT* Come see us live on December 3 at Vauxhall Comedy with special guest Rob Delaney! The address is: 6 South Lambeth Place, London, SW8 1SP, and the show starts at 7 pm. Tickets are available here: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/trashfuture-live-pre-election-christmas-spectacular-tickets-82622465017?fbclid=IwAR0qE8wwGZAYXWLRiQ_f2yO9urbKS1d-0dUuyE-mWAq6DoGQwAGuNRa_IYw If you want access to our Patreon bonus episodes and powerful Discord server, sign up here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/31753429

I literally attended a week ago a briefing on this precise issue from people who are experts on the question of international drug pricing. What is profoundly true is that on patent drugs are far more expensive in the US. So it's all about the mix. Right. And that's what I need to know before I can evaluate this particular plan. to know before I can evaluate this particular plan? Is it worth... What is the intended... Well, on what Malcolm said, is it worth waiting to find out before you make accusations

on the basis of political suspicion? The government have said that the NHS is not on the table at all. But this is negotiation. What's on the table? You can't call it a negotiation putting something on the table. Malcolm, sorry.

They've said that they're not discussing the extension of patents. They're not discussing full access. They're not discussing the end of NICE. They're not discussing the ability through dispute settlement clauses to impose a company's profit margin against our public policy.

And yet these documents show that they are discussing that. That's the key issue here. Welcome to this week's Free Trash Future. It's me, Riley, in studio, and I'm joined by Milo, who's riding the boards. Hello, it's me, your boy. Where is Nate? Busy doing troop stuff with the wife. So it's me riding the boards back from Moscow, back with new instructions from my handlers.

And Alice calling in from Glasgow, sunny Glasgow. Love to do troop stuff with my wife. That's the best way of doing troop stuff. Exactly. You troop up and down. Hey, she's Negan. You're to troop out the garbage again. That's to make sure that hanging out with your wife isn't gay, to make it like a troop

thing. Just trash future going hard into Beetle Bailey here. And we are also joined by Josie Long, a second time returning champion. Josie, how's it going? Very good. Thrilled to be here. I slept for a full... Oh, fuck, I didn't last night.

But in recent memory, I've slept sometimes. So bring the fuck on. The finest political mind of my generation. Ready not to pull a single punch. Nice. Not to pull a single punch, but to fall asleep for a few seconds between cocking your fist back and throwing your wit. Yeah, and waking up because I've been hit in the face.

Like, hello, sorry. Under austerity, all you'll have is means-tested micro-sleeps. Oh, yeah. And even then, you'll have to give your brain's computing power while asleep to a program that mines Bitcoin to fund what's left

of the nhs guys what you don't realize is universally being allowed to sleep lets rich people sleep for free who could afford to pay for it yeah exactly look we needed to we needed to sell sleep licenses to like you know the to like what um like disney and uh paramount and um in raytheon and then we rent back our sleep from them because we couldn't afford to keep sleeping for free britain in 2030 like everyone just like frantically hiding their bed because the sleep inspector's coming around we have a sleep detection van yeah exactly um but also uh what i'd like to note is that um trash future is now officially new trash future position we're no longer going to say anything except like that famous doofus Malcolm Gladwell says, if it's profoundly true.

Because all of these rumors, the rumors that are substantiated by all of that evidence that the Labor Party has produced that there are trade talks going on with the US that have been going on for the last several years that involve allowing u.s pharmaceutical firms access to profit to profit from uh from the nhs you know that um uh malcolm gladwell says well but how do you know it won't be more it won't be more expensive what if it's actually cheaper i've i've actually sat in a room i've been i was sitting in a bus stop with someone who looked like a scientist so i think i've got some pretty good insight on this, Shadow Trade Secretary Barry Gardner. I think the thing is that Jeremy Corbyn's big dossier that he brought out

wasn't a profound dossier. It didn't contain any deep, meaningful truths. There was no bind of ordinary truths. No, there was not a single observation about the easily missable tiny details that somehow define all of your life what we've got to learn is if you have a dossier and you do not sex up that dossier what is the point of the dossier i really feel for barry gardner because they must have like when they invited him on and gone oh yes hello yes i'd love to do this brilliant um who will

i be up against maybe someone from the pharmaceutical industry? No, no. Or maybe someone from the American government? No, no. Malcolm Gladwell. In a sense, both. Oh, beautiful. Oh, fucking Malcolm Gladwell. Just honestly, I mean, like, I thought I'd seen enough Malcolm Gladwell when we did the fucking Gladwell episode.

But it turns out, no. Because, like, Malcolm Gladwell is always just hiding around the corner with, like, an incredibly unhelpful and contrarian take that means nothing to anyone. Like, oh, well, actually, if every morning you get up and you eat a whole bar of soap, it costs the government less money because eventually you die and stop using the fire service. Like, everything he says is just like word soup that means nothing.

And then he comes out and he goes like, well, what evidence do you actually have that an American-style pharmaceutical system in the UK would be more expensive? Oh, I don't know. The entirety of America. I mean, I'm going to report him to trading standards, given that he makes none of us feel either glad or well. But also it's like he said, well, it is the whole idea of, oh, it is. But it is profoundly true that the mix matters between generics and patents.

But the other thing about being Malcolm Gladwell is that the whole point of Malcolm Gladwell is to ignore pertinent details. So it fits a fun little story where you figured something out. Because the thing that's on the table for the negotiation with America, the thing that America wants is to impose longer patent times for medicines in the UK, which means medicines stay more expensive for longer. So Gladwell's whole thing of, oh, yes, well, the generics are cheaper in America, but the patented copyrighted medicines are more expensive. It's like, okay, if you look at one detail of what has been proposed by the Tories to the Americans, then obviously it's going to be a worse system. And his whole thing of, well, given what we know about quantum physics,

can you truly know anything, Barry Gardner? I love how all of these thinkers have their own kind of nonsense, where with Malcolm Gladwell, it's like, well, what exactly do you mean by on the table? Whereas if it was Jordan Peterson, it would be like, I'm not sure what you mean by table. And if it was Steven Pinker, it would be like, ah, you still use a table in the future.

We'll be using hover surfaces. They should have put Pinker on there with him. I would have enjoyed seeing that. Oh my God. I'd love that. He should do a version of louder with Crowder, but like stinker with Pinker. What's he like IRL?

What's his kind of energetic vibe? Pinker or Gladwell? Pinker. Pinker's whole, like i've never seen him he's got a fursona did you ever see that movie wild wild west with will smith and kevin of the like top-hatted bad guy in that movie i'm disappointed you didn't say the giant transportative robot but i will allow it well no, no, I mean, never forget that Steven Pinker's main solution to global warming is like a sort of confected steampunk airship

that sort of seeds the clouds. So he would actually fit in the Wild Wild West universe. Yeah, exactly. And actually, I think going even further, in many ways, Steven Pinker is to like academic thought and theorizing what Will Smith is to rap music. Experts just don't understand. What I like about that is the one thing I hate most about stand-up comedy

is when people do, for no reason. It's all the SJWs, right? No, of course not. The one thing I hate about stand-up comedy is when someone comes up and for no reason is like, here's me doing the rap from the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. You're going to think that can't have happened more than once i have seen it 10 plus fucking times i think people think that it's a good thing to do and now people love to jose sometimes dissociates from her own

act she's hovering above the theater why am i doing it again if i were if i were able to be more succinct here i could then go and of course, now people like to use Steven Pinker as some sort of guide to their thought. And so it's true. Yeah. Beautiful. So it's cool. We're wasting the Shadow International Trade Secretary's time arguing with a simpleton. Also the presenter being like, don't you think you're actually being very suspicious and naughty, Barry Gardner, given what Malcolm Gladwell's just

said? Maybe you have something nice to say to Mr. Gladwell, as he's given you a lollipop. This has been the election where the BBC just kind of all became preschool teachers. Look at how Boris eats his scones. Isn't that nice? Delicious scones.

I want to go into a little bit more of this whole selling the nhs thing right um so for some background especially for our american listeners um labor has uh looked basically through a freedom of information request has been able to obtain all of the the minutes of the meetings between the international trade secretary who's liam fox at the time and the trump administration from 2017 to 2018 where they were talking about what kind of post-brexit trading agreement agreement they would they would make and crucially um and you know trump said everything would be on the table so no matter how many times they say nope the nhs is off the table a they don't define what

that means so there are a lot a lot of the bad faith like right wing think tank morons will say oh what you think an american company wants to take over some unprofitable clinic in leicestershire and it's like yes yes they fucking do yes but they're going to do it slowly and by stealth and it's going to start with like increasing patent times and prescription prices and privatizing little bits and bobs and this that and the other and so on i really wish the minutes weren't heavily redacted because I want to read the Trump contributions. Like, listen, everything's going to be on the table.

Okay. Even the burgers. That's why the Hamburglar can't come. And then there's like, it's like unintelligible. He steals hamburgers. It's a serious issue. Where do you stand? Look, right now, the hospitals, the hospitals in britain they're like the

the beds they're so small they're so small you can't even spread out very nasty beds yeah all right so yeah that's the whole thing right um where these reports and this is uh corbin talking these reports pull back the curtain on the secrecy that's being plotted for us all behind closed doors for the conservative government and this is what they don't want you to know. So these are the key points. The documents released show that the talks had progressed. And there was a discussion on pharmaceuticals. And the report actually said, the impact of some patent issues raised on NHS access to generic drugs, i.e. cheaper drugs, will be a consideration going forward. And then healthcare came up again uh with the uk team stating we

should be aiming to engage in a more in-depth discussion on how the uk system works e.g on pharmaceutical protections as a means of positioning ourselves in relation to future u.s asks love to position myself in relation to future u.s asks yeah are they are they gonna are they considering pegging is that what they're saying i think Is that what they're saying? It's the more profound kind of pegging Which is health data The kind of pegging that's okay in the Quran They're basically going to turn the UK Into a giant rat maze

Where they're just going to test medicines on us You know what? If you really work hard in the rat maze At the end sometimes there's a little bit of MSG You get the cheese You get the cheese sometimes there's a little bit of MSG or something you can have. You get the cheese. You get the cheese, and there's only 50% of the time is the cheese going to be loaded with a new drug

that may cure your cancer or may cause your anus to fall out. You might touch the reward thing and it'll electrocute you. I mean, it's a more exciting society. Finally, we're building a society for me. Awesome. Cheese, electrocution, my anus falling out.

Change that to dick and we've got a deal, partner. Sign me up. So a lot of what this actually boils down to, as I mentioned earlier, is allowing American medicines to stay patented for longer. is allowing American medicines to stay patented for longer. So usually a patent on a medicine will last 10, 12 years, and that allows the company to be the exclusive supplier of that medicine and to basically extract rents from the fact that they're the only people who can do it. And then the drug goes generic and the price craters and it becomes widely available. And so right now the NHS will respect patent...

The UK has certain patent limitations on drugs, at which point they then will then go generic. And what the US is saying, well, no, you have to have much longer allowing patented medicines to say the exclusive property of the pharmaceutical company that is distributing them. And that just means... Here's an example. I found this. Humira, the brand name for the drug... I'm excited for this one. Here's an example. I found this. Humira, the brand name for the drug Adalimumab. Adalimumab. Is this the ISIS number two?

Used to treat Crohn's disease and rheumatoid arthritis. Costs the NHS £1,409 a packet and it costs the US 8,115. This is the difference that they want. They're saying we want to multiply the UK prescription cost by 8-ish. If the Tories want to extend these patent periods and make the NHS keep

paying 8 grand a packet for adububunumabs, then like... For Abubakar Albag-Kumara. Yeah, for Abububunumabs, then like... For Abubakar-Albag-Kumara. Yeah, for Abubakar-Albag-Crones disease. Corbyn wants to not do that. Where is the third further left position of just do the home taping is killing music thing

and start disrespecting patents? Damn. I thought you were going to go for bathtub do-it-yourself. Yeah, well, I mean... damn I thought you were going to go for bathtub do it yourself yeah well I mean just getting this big horse to get my

premarin out of yeah awesome why do we as a nation not do more piracy like why don't we

do more espionage like pharmaceutical espionage we're a massive block as it stands and we like because part of

this is about us being this big trading block as a thing because we've got this comprehensive service over the whole country so we're not just individual hospitals or groups of hospitals. So surely we could get away with some real high class rule breaking shit.

What can they do? What you're basically saying is the labour policy to have a nationalised drug maker, which is just Labour policy. Yes, but that would be legal. We want to be more illegal about this. So instead of a national policy, it's a guy with a bathtub and an allotment

just throwing a big stick with a tub full of adubuma leblancs. It's just Jeremy Corbyn in a trench coat, guys. Like, hey, do you want some insulin? I call it min-sulin because I made it myself. This is like when on stage I was saying kill all billionaires and then the Labour policy, I think, pretty much came out the same and I was like, I'm a top influencer.

I didn't realise that that's what Labour advocate for. I mean, how wonderful. That's exactly what I would like is for us to make our own drugs. And not even in a silly way. Like, that's great. That's exactly what I would like is for us to make our own drugs. And not even in a silly way. That's great. That's good policy. But also meth. Just a sideline in something to put me up for an evening.

We sell that to the Russians to get the money to buy the supplies for the pharmaceuticals. Meth is therapeutic. It's all just dosages, right? It cures your ADHD. You have a little bit more of it, you have a nice time, right? It's fine. It's all going to work out. You have a little bit more, your dental bills reduce.

You know what I'm saying? That's Malcolm Gladwell. That literally is a Malcolm Gladwell argument, which is that the poor should smoke. You have the lays of heaven today, James. One of Malcolm Gladwell's arguments, and premium subscribers will have heard this before, is that the poor should not stop smoking, so they die younger and cost the health system less.

He literally wrote this in an article. Did Malcolm Gladwell once read Freakonomics and go, I can build a life out of this? Actually, that's actually backwards. Freakonomics is ripping off him. It's one of those things where it became more famous as like the the example of what the shit that gladwell does but no he was first wow damn he's so boring i bet freaks are like classic freaks yeah uh so here's the thing right um this the whole sort of debate over selling the nhs has become incredibly stupid right away because it has led

to um i get lots of right-wing figures saying that making the argument well if you're not selling the literal clinics and gp and sort of um fobbing off the gp contracts to like disney then you're not selling the nhs to american companies most notably friend of the show lionel shriver uh went on i think it was news night to say no one would buy the nhs which is going to come as a real surprise to all of the like privatized bits of it already this is like it just frustrates me that they're allowed to take the piss so much like the person whose job it is to book should be reprimanded for being like uh i think we really need some experts to talk about the nhs well this woman once wrote a book about a guy who killed some people in a school that

sounds perfect bring her on yeah absolutely and this other guy realized that if you practice really hard you'll get good at something anyway let's put them up against the shadow like trade secretary and shadow health secretary. They'll be fine. As we've discussed, what people like Lionel Shriver want is actually incredibly simple. And if you just threw him a bone, then shut up. If Labour just introduced a policy of Lionel Shriver and our friends can just say the word once a week, they'd go away. They'd all be voting Labour. They'd be like, finally.

This was my joke about boomers doing foreign intervention in, like, Iran and Afghanistan, was they always post the photos of, like, oh, in 70s Iran under the Shah, women could wear miniskirts. And I'm like, if only, if only Khomeini had been like, no other changes to the Sharia at all, but we'll bring the miniskirts back, all of those guys will be fine. A lot of it's just, like, Khenei checking out a woman in a miniskirt being like damn that's halal so the thing is right that the what these trade documents show isn't that this or that particular element of the

NHS is going to be sold whatever sold means what it means is that we are opening up our public sector to US rent seekers and then we will let them seek rents against it. It is the thin end of the wedge, quite literally. So you can look at Unearthed, for example, revealed last month that DEFRA are very concerned about coming under pressure from the trade ministry

to weaken food standards in order to strike a trade deal with the U.S. And what that lets them do is just cut their production costs to then sell the same product of broccoli that's got the salmonella guaranteed. But this was a joke about chlorinated chicken. I think Boris used it in the House of Commons at one point. And like, yeah, okay, fine. But the Trump administration just privatized

pork hygiene inspections, so now the industry is self-regulating. You don't want a communist inspecting your pork factory. No, you don't. What you want is a businessman. Exactly. You want, like... Listen, I've read this book called Animal Farm,

very interesting book. As I understand it, the communists cannot be trusted to deal with the pigs. The pigs are in on the game. The game is up. Very nasty pigs. Very bad guys. Milo, I think your big mistake here is assuming he would have read something.

I don't think he's able to read. I saw a cartoon. It was called Animal Farm. Very badly run farm. Very bad. No profits being made. I saw a cartoon. It was called U.S. Acres.

And it was Garfield and all of his friends. And they were all there. They didn't need the Food Standards Agency. They didn't. So basically, Matt Hancock then went on Sky News to say, actually, all of that evidence you dug up is wrong. Was this before or after his hustings? Which I know we'll get to.

This was, I think, before. He said the position is that the NHS is not on the table and the changes to patent arrangements to do with pharmaceuticals will not be in that trade deal. If the Americans say that we'll only do a trade deal if the NHS is part of it, then we'll walk away. Presumably to go get the NHS to bring it to them. We're just going to walk away from our entire like atlanticist project sure you will yeah it's also

like they've been unable to like they thought they could like bully the eu in negotiations they've like comprehensively failed to do that and now they think they're going to bully the united states of america the famously friendly and normal organization that definitely isn't notorious for being a gigantic cunt to everyone like this is the weird thing right because it's something that allows for the opportunity to be evil it's the one thing you can't trick donald trump about like in any other situation we would just be like yes you can uh you can like sell to this nhs here and we create a potemkin fake nhs out of cardboard that he can go and play in.

We just create a fake hospital that's just staffed entirely by Playboy models. We just let him loose on the set of Casualty and just let him privatise that. We've made a deal with the entirety of the city of Holby.

Very good deal, folks. Very good. We start with these soaring medical bills, right? And then all of a sudden the NHS then is under unprecedented financial pressure. And then how quickly from that do we move on to, we have the waiting

room, and then we have Raytheon presents the speed waiting room. Where you get free speed. Or you have waiting room and then we have Raytheon presents the speed waiting room. When you get free speed. Yeah. Or you have like, or you, or you have, you know,

like, well, you have, you can have the surge, a student surgeon who will do it for free, or you can have Disney presents the qualified surgeon. I mean, who's actually going to understand how to do your knee replacement.

This is the thing I love about being both trans and living in Scotland is that my election choice is between the Labour Party, the Lockheed Martin waiting room, priority prestige edition, or the SNP, which is some mild neoliberalism, but also I can't get healthcare because they think I'm a rapist. Awesome.

Yeah, it's great. It's all great options. It's all very normal. When we talk about creeping privatization, this is what we mean. We mean things that are made to be unviable, and they're made to be unviable by allowing greater rents to be sought from them

or starving them of funding so that rent-seeking can continue unabated elsewhere. And then the process of rents being imposed on those sectors is then one of increasing returns. Yes. So what's already going on is cherry-picking what is profitable and selling that off straight away, which creates a strain on the remainder which isn't sold off.

There's so much already happened that is following similar models. I feel out of my depth, even though I know what I'm saying is true. And this is the problem with being a comedian, is I've just... But, yeah, like... Just do the rap from the Fresh Prince. Now, listen, in West Philadelphia... Oh, Lord. Fuck, I hate it so fucking much when people do it.

I'm like, why? Like, still? We would take a privatized NHS if we could. That's the new Lib Dem deal. The Lib Dems are going in coalition with the Tories being like, look, you give us our second referendum and you can privatize the NHS. You just have to make the Fresh Prince song illegal. No, they would go the other way.

The Lib Dems would make it the national anthem. Jo Swinson would do it. It should change the race to be about her western bartonshire yeah yeah because i forgot the lib dems are the party of being epic yes um but can i just say those cunts think that a policy that would win round renters is to give them a loan to take out a fucking deposit people love loans they love look because the great thing i true. Because the great thing, I said this before, the great thing about a loan is you never have to pay it back. It's not real debt. No, exactly.

And everyone's favorite thing is paying deposits. We love doing that. The reason it's called a loan is because they leave you alone. Exactly. But also, this is so transparently horse shit. And I think it's actually quite a bit why like look trust no polls polls are all lies there's no such thing as an accurate poll the brexit party um but like why labor is now like what up by five in the most recent is now within six percent of the tories

one of the most recent polls yeah good please go yeah i was gonna save this for the live show but the one thing i was gonna say about it is it's not the despair, right? I can live with the despair. It's the hope that kills you. Yeah. It's the feeling of being this close. The feeling to seeing the manifesto and going, obviously this isn't perfect.

Obviously this isn't everything I want, but we could have this. We could have that. That's a thing that we can vote for. And the idea that, oh my God. All we have to get past to make that happen is a bunch of chances like Matt Hancock and fucking early learning centre kindergarten BBC presenters. It is genuinely amazing how close this election still is, given just how much the Tories are just phoning it in.

They're not even trying. They're so bad. There's such a collection of porridge-brained morons who can't even pretend not to be evil for five minutes. Boris Johnson can't even go on TV and just say some nonsense and not lie for two minutes. He can't do it. He's incapable.

He makes Cameron look like one of the most deft politicians to have ever lived. And yet still people are like, but not the jam, Grandad! This feels like it was 20 years ago and it was five weeks, but I'd like to point out that they started this election coming straight out of the gate with, well, if I was in a fire, I would just leave. Wow, that does feel like a long time ago.

I mean, where is Jacob Rees-Mogg? Where have they locked him for the duration of this election? Oh, no, he's definitely in a haunted wardrobe right now, trying to work his way back to reality. A wardrobe haunted by Jacob Rees-Mogg. I've been thinking this exact same thing. Why haven't we heard from him? Like, what is he up to?

Has he genuinely been... He's gone to live on a farm. He's retired. Yeah, I think as soon as you say, well, of course the poor burn to death, they're stupid. I think even the Tory party takes you out of circulation for a while.

Listen, Jacob. Yeah, look, look. You still get fully... It's a participation trophy he fucked up as badly as it's possible to fuck up at a huge public forum in front of a very important election and he still has his job and he still has his seat and he's still like well respected and he's probably just going to wait till everyone forgets hope that everyone forgets about it and because everything happens so much we all kind of almost have, which is why I feel a profound duty to bring it back up again.

He's on paying for the man to do your gardening leave. Thank you. Jacob's had to go stay with some friends on the other side, so this blows over. Jacob Rees-Mogg going to the mattresses, but it's like a four-poster bed. He's in a nightcap he's hiding in sicily but rather than it being just like a tumble down old old uh old old house that he's like hiding in from the american mob he's mikey corleone just going to a house he owns in sicily um no so uh the uh the other thing right is even ian some tories are feeling the panic though

ian duncan smith has started door knocking his own constituents who all hate him. Again, for American listeners, Ian Duncan Smith was the leader of a think tank called the Center for Social Justice, which came up with the universal credit idea, which has killed like, what, 100,000 people? 150,000, I think. The Center for Social Justice, I think, applies. The rule is for think tanks much as it is for countries. Like, if it's called like the Democratic Republic of you know it ain't trying to draw really draw attention to something

also now the tankies are going to get mad at us oh no oh no oh well they're gonna beat me up if they ever leave their bedroom I'll wait oh anyway so I saw a tweet today which was somebody in even Duncan Smith's constituency and they've taken this photo from the perspective of someone inside the house so this guy's wife or this guy's partner

and so there's the guy at the door looking absolutely gleeful and then just at the door with the darkness behind him is in duncan smith looking really desperate and it says in duncan smith has come to my house i I live in his constituency. He's told me if I vote Labour, they will take my house off me. Excuse me, if you vote Labour, you're gone. The house is gone. What legislative mechanism

do they think they're going to deploy to do that? John McDonnell coming down to your house with a BMW full of guys with sledgehammers and they're gonna break your legs and take your house. Do they think John McDonald is Jimmy Hoffa? Like, what the fuck?

They're all dressed in full-out-of-ass. I heard you build social houses. Shame if someone just took you all the houses. No one in Britain gets any houses. That's the Labour Party policy. We'll all just have to live in a field. Terrible.

Be like Glastonbury all the time. Hey, buddy, you should have listened to Ian Duncan Smith. So here's the thing, right? Oh, I'm so, so... So I was talking to someone who said that Pfizer-Shaheen... Is Pfizer running in... Yeah, she's running in Chingford and Woodgreen. Pfizer-Shaheen, who's running in Chingford,

is going to have had 100% engagement, which means she will have knocked on literally every single running in Chingford in Woodgreen. Faisal Shaheen, who's running in Chingford, is going to have had 100% engagement, which means she will have knocked on literally every single door in Chingford, which is unheard of. And she's still alive, which is remarkable. Okay, on her behalf, people will have done so. But that shows the level of engagement that we're talking about in terms of ground game

for the Labour Party at the moment. Every single door in Chingford has been knocked. No wonder Ian Duncan Smith is like, I better go out on my own of an evening. He's only got four guys, do you know what I mean? And they're all 35 and they all meet up together and they're too ashamed to wear a conservative rosette. Being carried around in a litter.

Yeah. At some point, I accept there's like 40% of this country that always votes conservative no matter what, because like Thatcher gave them their council house and you know, they're like, I worked for everything I had or whatever. And that's it. And you're never going to get those people back.

And then there are the people who have all like, you know, the, who own all the land and they're always going to vote conservative, but it feels like they're really hit a ceiling. Well, you type. Yeah.

Well, cause it's gone to a point where they're like, they're basically like shitting on their own traditional base by just like taking away their pensions and stuff. Like they're losing Lib Dem votes to Labour because Boris Johnson is being uncivil, the thing that they despise the most. So like 150,000 deaths from austerity,

that doesn't do shit. But him making a weird throat cutting gesture in a radio interview if that's the thing that gets him out of government that i'm all for that was incredible that was extremely panama banker from the simpsons energy oh i definitely shouldn't have said it was illegal like my favorite incident though has to be michael gove turning up at the climate debate instead of boris and then doing this faux gotcha video that he put out. He's like, see, they just don't want to debate a conservative. It's like, no, they want to debate the actual leader of the conservatives,

who you are not. And then shut up with his dad. He brought Boris's dad to bring a sick note to say, please, sir, can I be excused games? So speaking of boris as well he's also um he must he wrote a column after a uh a a terror-related stabbing that occurred on london bridge uh he actually has written a call the guy was um i think the guy was was shot by police um and now boris has written a column that says give me a majority and i'll keep you safe from

terror i mean not to steal tweets while he's not here but his take on it was let me ride on my back on on your back and i promise i won't sting you and i i think that's as well as it can be expressed also the um because the thing is like in iraq like they never they never just said it and in like the run-up to iraq it was always like look saddam hussein is dangerous these these are the particulars of this situation that mean we have to go after saddam and here look i baked this the sarah lee yellow cake uranium or whatever like there wasn't a tony blair column in the mirror saying uh trade your liberty for security yeah and this is literally just what boris johnson is saying uh he and here is the

fucked up thing though i i haven't been able to make notes on this um uh normally because it's like a picture from the newspaper in our manifesto a week ago i set out how we must reform human rights laws to shift the balance in favor of our security and intelligence service. Many human rights lawyers attacked this move. They are wrong and the public does not agree with them. I will say that one of those human rights lawyers who attacked him on this move was stabbed to death by that guy. Like, Jack Merritt was a prison abolitionist. Yeah.

Our laws are constrained by, quote, the right to a private life which limits surveillance of terrorists and specifically only terrorists. It doesn't limit surveillance of non-terrorists, of course. I, for one, am sick of having

a private life. No, you don't. I, for one, am sick of having a private life and I can't wait for the government to watch me while I'm not because it's hard. Doing Islam, probably.

Yeah. I mean, it's literally. Doing Islam, probably. Yeah. I mean, it's literally this thing where, like, all of the conspiracy theories about Corbyn are true, but they're just true about Boris Johnson. Oh, truly? All of this, like, oh, you know, Corbyn gets into Downing Street, and the next day he's going to, you know,

declare a communist police state and launch a pogrom. Like, well, no, but Boris Johnson actually might. Well, Boris Johnson has literally said that his intention is to deprive travellers of their way of life and to actively make it impossible to be a traveller. That is genocidal rhetoric without sounding too extreme. It is, yeah. It's fucking horrific.

And then on top of that, he's bringing in new laws against trespass that are going to really, really restrict the right to protest and really restrict the right to kind of challenge certain things. It's not remotely exaggerated. The protest, that's for terrorists, so that's fine. Normal people don't do that. Shut down Channel 4, like all these things.

He's going to shut down Channel 4? Yeah, because they embarrassed him at the climate debate. He's now going to review their license if he gets a majority. Wow, that's extremely fucking normal. That is a 10 out of 10 normal. How are people still? Sorry, I didn't know this.

I'm just processing this. Hang on. I've just gotten off of a plane from a country where they actually do shit like that. And where everyone's like, God, that Putin is a bad dude. And then now you've got Boris Johnson, right? Like the supposed prime minister of this country just saying that he's going to shut down a TV station or like try and shut them down

because they embarrassed him at a debate. It's like, this is like full bore, like authoritarian shit. And people are still hand-wringing over like, we don't know what Jeremy Corbyn is going to do. It's like, I think we've got a pretty fucking good idea, actually. And we've got a pretty fucking good idea what Boris Johnson's going to do. I think we've got a pretty fucking good idea, actually. We've got a pretty fucking good idea what Boris Johnson's going to do, which is

exactly what he's fucking said he's going to do. This is the thing, right? The Russian-Gate liberals... Jesus Christ. The Russian-Gate liberals are not wrong. The oligarchy is... The problem is

that they don't recognise that it's capitalism rather than corrupt capitalism or crony capitalism or whatever. the oligarchy is the problem the problem is that they don't recognize that it's capitalism rather than corrupt capitalism or crony capitalism or whatever but like pretty much you just get off a plane anywhere and it's russia like you it's just well that is the russian dream my friend yeah there's just like 20 guys in suits who run everything and it's illegal to make fun of them and in the world there are two genders. There's Russia and there's Greater Serbia. Thank you. So here he continues.

It concerns me that Jeremy Corbyn is setting out plans to weaken our system and make it more difficult for our security services to stop people who want to do us harm. I can't believe he said that that was his plan, that he was going to weaken our system. Yeah, Jeremy Corbyn, a secret member of ISIS, I guess. He wants to give more power to human rights lawyers, which would make us less safe. It's just the show 24. It's literally, it's just 24.

Again, two of the three people that that guy stabbed to death were human rights lawyers, who were explicitly in favor of rehabilitation and, well, human rights over security also like what you're saying doesn't even make sense it's like oh jeremy corbyn wants to give more power to human rights lawyers human rights lawyers don't have power they apply the law which is set by government lawyers are just lawyers are merely fucking intermediaries in another way they don't have power over anything it's just just nonsense. No, they do

because they can like criticize you and you know, laws also, the laws are all cucked of course. And in fact, the conservatives also are saying, well, the laws gave too much freedom to the terrorists to do terrorism. And it's like, you've been in power for nine years. But here's the

other thing, and this is where I kind of have like I go back and forth what happened is these guys who did this attack they were released from prison because the funding for their rehabilitation service was slashed to nothing wasn't it privatised and then brought back in after it was completely

ruined by privatisation so it's going to be a massive mess they found this letter that the guy wrote virgin de-radicalisation Essentially Begging for a de-radicalisation course So he could become a good British citizen To be fair I think probably what most of these people need

Is to fuck I think virgin de-radicalisation is probably an appropriate name for the service Hilarious But then I run up against the Well This is austerity has, like, the things about the police state that are, like, propagandized to keep us safe, like prisons and police and whatever, that actually don't. Again, they're not even doing the thing that they advertise anymore. They're just doing the bad shit because they've completely given up on the idea that like someone could be

rehabilitated or reintegrated into public life and now they're they're just doing like the um locking people up um you know essentially uh forever but then releasing them after a few years once they've been fucked with in a dangerous and and like overcrowded prison i don't know what you mean i don't want to fund these things more no but i can see how austerity led to this i think the thing to say is that it was ever thus right they were always failing at those stated aims um it's it's not just that now that they're being deprived of funding that they're like not succeeding by their own merits i don't think they ever did that um yeah but they arguably probably did better i mean

there's probably like a i mean like with anything like but if you're going to abolish prisons there's always going to be a stepping stone stage of that which is like making there be less people in prison making prisons better and more humane and like that is like that's like a kind of the gradual process which will it will inevitably take and so i don't think it's like kind of incoherent to say like as an intermediary stage we should be like funding rehabilitation programs rather than just being like throw away the key yeah i think that's fine i don't think there's anything i mean i'm sure there's some very angry people in durham right now spilling shit on their dungarees but um yeah but right so it's but it's it's very clear that like the mask is fully slipped where they're like no we're still we're not going to fund this stuff and they they

had the opportunity to fund these things, and they didn't. And it's very clear that this attack could have been prevented by funding these rehabilitation programs, or at least made less likely. I'm just thinking about Boris Johnson's book, where a terrorist attack, like two minutes down the road from this one, is caused indirectly by funding all of this stuff too much

yeah this is what i was thinking as well right like you we already know exactly what's in boris johnson's mind about this i mean he also just says it in his columns all the time but like remember boris johnson wrote a terrible novel where the main inciting incident occurs because the national security system isn't at a sufficient baseline level of islamophobia and because there's too many rehabilitation things and social work things um like social it's like it's like there are there are it's in boris johnson's worldview there is a there is social darwinism which is natural which allows the best people to rise to the top and then um you can fuck with that by like coddling people too much which turns them into jihadis because also jihadis hate social darwinism for whatever reason and so it's like

it's he's there's this beautiful little hierarchy that he has that's getting threatened either from coddling or from islam and we need to just crush both of them and that's what that is like it's plain for you to see it's right there and when when he says, give me a majority and I'll keep you safe from human rights. You know what the fuck he means. It is really hilarious to me that someone who works with Jacob Rees-Mogg can think of the working class are coddled too much. an incoherence, a contradiction at the heart of almost all modern Western, like, resurgent proto-fascism or whatever. I had Groypers in my mentions the other day, and Groypers, if you don't know, are like a more fascistic outgrowth of the Pepe frog meme?

Also, neuter. Yeah, and neuter. But one of the things that they like to say one of their little catchphrases because they think it annoys liberals is islam is right about women because they they agree with what they they agree with like islamism right they agree entirely with saeed kutub but also they hate him because he's not white so it's's just, I don't know what you do with that tension. And also they're like epic bacon people, obviously, so they couldn't be Muslim on that basis. They have to crusade against this religion

who is actually more right than Western liberalism. It's just wild stuff. That is a galaxy brain take to rival the person who replied to Hussein's tweet, the troll tweet, about them all becoming Muslim at the end of Star Wars today. Someone replied to him and was like, actually, there are no Muslims in space. The way that the tweet went on, you could tell they were

completely serious. This is not that different from Boris' actual world view. He is basically a groiper. Damn. So I think steering a little bit back, because one thing we've been talking about is also the BBC being

Completely unable or unwilling To hold Boris Johnson to account When all of this is fucking happening So Hugo For example They let him off from going on A very difficult interview with Andrew Neil That Jeremy Corbyn did go on

But how's he eat a scone though? We've got to know. How's he eat that scone? Then they release these puff pieces about, like, oh, how the Prime Minister takes his scones. A puff pastry piece. Lovely. Or then, back on the subject of selling the NHS,

here's what Laura Koonsberg wrote. Laura Koonsberg, who has actually been made, who has been apologised for by the BBC for anti-Corbybin bias in the past friend of the show yeah yeah has said uh that all of this nhs hub sale stuff is going to be furiously disputed throughout the day um important that corbin doesn't uh and corbin important though corbin doesn't provide evidence that ministers have agreed the health service should be part of a trade deal with the u.s details details yeah no

because she because he didn't say we're going to sell every gp service to like you know um general dynamics that because laura kunsberg is like well that's not selling that of course of course you you like work so hard at the bbc as the like political editor that you forget what implication is happens all the time uh yeah she's not rich enough like nobody in britain is rich enough for the consequences of the things that she's helping put in place like i'm sorry i just refuse to believe that her salary is enough to cover she gets the canapes and stuff right she gets the table scraps that you get for being sort of a court journalist, right? It's also that

thing where I think with a lot of those kind of journalists, I think it's not even like a politics thing for them. It's like a thing where it's like the Corbynist movement offends their sensibilities of like, no, they don't play nice and do the things that I expect. That's true,

but they're also not live bands. Boris Johnson shows up and doffs his hat or whatever. Not when it matters, but he shows up at the other times and does something charming and shoves a croissant up his arse or something in the classic style. Excuse me? And everyone's like, oh, how charming. He doesn't know how to eat a croissant because he's so aloof.

Is that a Piers Gaveston thing? That would be a croissant up a pig's ass. Not directly. So she goes on. Big political question about whether any UK government would ever actually do a deal that made medicines more expensive for the NHS would be massively costly and likely deeply unpopular. Big political question which we can answer with yes. Yeah, because no government ever does anything that's unpopular or expensive.

Exactly. The Iraq war just didn't happen. All those protesters out in the street were just going for a walk. Also, like, have you never heard of government sneaking things through? Because you'd want to sit down and go, mate, I'm just going to give you a little half-hour primer on the last 20 years of politics. It's going to blow your mind,

because you must not know how this got privatised. That is what we need, I think, is to take all of these people like Koonsberg and Peston and whoever else at the BBC, Rob Burley, at face value and just sit them down as friends and say, mate, like, half half hour explanation i i felt really bad but i got really annoyed at the sheer incredulity of yeah of the discourse and there's like jim pickard what's his name jm yeah j pickard and he was saying something about like um oh i mean how could

they privatize the nhs they wouldn't do it would they and i was like was like, it's already happened. And then I said, if you want, I can link you to some articles so you can learn about it. So I was just like, how can you do this? How can you be less... Weirdly, for someone who spends so much of her time seemingly spinning things, I think Leroy Koonsberg simply hasn't realised

what spin is and how it works and that at least 30% of the British electorate are willful rubes who, whatever the Tories say, they just believe. The Tories literally just piss in people's pockets and tell them it's raining and they're just like, yeah, well,

we have privatised NHS but actually it's good because it actually makes it cheaper even though you're paying more money, in a way it's cheaper. Malcolm Gladwell says so and also Jeremy Corbyn is gonna you know paint everything red and you know make your car gay so you know

you're barely even exaggerating about the piss thing Darren Grimes late of the leave campaign why is he not in prison in all seriousness he's been found guilty he should be in prison for this tweet in which he said that... Come on, let's be prison abolitionists.

He said Boris Johnson could piss through his mum's lesser box and he would still vote for him so long as he delivered Brexit. Oh, fuck, that's who Darren Grimes is. Oh, God, yeah, he's awful. Darren, why are you kneeling in front of your mum's lesser box?

Right, but it's um it's the only father house that faces mecca what a strange house this is this is a house that's made of non-euclidean geometry. My flatmate is Nair Lapisap. This is such a fucking, like, Hussein bit of, like, Muslim builders building Assyrian houses. Where only one person... Every wall faces back up.

Right, but so going back to this, right, I always vacillate... If you build a house on the North Pole, every wall faces back up. I always vacillate back and forth um about like are these people are these people like so coddled by the experience of the post-political like 1990 to 2008 that they just don't get it this one off and answer that for you no of course not they they're all lying they're not this stupid but it is tactically useful to us to be as earnest as

possible and to be like would you like some links where you can read about this because it just makes it that much more obvious that you are the political editor of the bbc you are pretending that you don't know what privatization is like the thing alice this is where this is kind of where my question comes in because i i have this like theory right that a lot of uk columnists and a lot of UK comedians actually as well have positioned themselves as the guardian of what's acceptable. Yes. And so what they see is because they have this idea, especially because so many of them are so formed by the 90s, that there is there is the new, young, modern way of thinking that actually was only sort of on trend for four years in the 1990s.

It's just that's when things were good. And so they see their job as the tireless defenders of the truth or whatever, as almost like defending this revelatory truth of liberalism. Nate, can you edit in things can only get better Better by Dee Reams slowly building in the background? Oh, the music of Professor Brian Cox. Oh, it's fantastic to see this election. You know, this election

couldn't happen if it hadn't been for the Big Bang. And so the position of someone like Laura Koonsberg isn't just to report the truth. It's also to defend acceptability because she might see herself as the bulwark

between Britain and disinformation and chaos. It's just that as far as she's concerned, on the side of right is basically neoliberalism because that is sort of religiously loved. Extremely cursed thought. I mean, it's called the right wing for a reason. Oh, Lord. This is the thing i was thinking is so corbyn has been the leader of the labour party for four nearly four and a half years now

and i really thought at some point especially 2017 after the election what would happen we would be some sort of shift of thought with kind of the commentator class where they would go, OK, the left isn't entirely illegitimate. The left isn't an interloper. This is a kind of big movement. This is a big shift. You know, anyone under 40 who doesn't own a house buys into this. Like the world has changed and we must understand it. And they've just like bloody mindedly been like,

no, no, it must be because Remainers led their vote. Like, they just will not concede even like an inch. And it blows my mind. I mean, on one level, I'm kind of glad for that, though. Why is that? Well, because like it heightens the contradictions, I guess. With podcast content. It is also good content

but i was thinking like honestly what would we do if labor won like you know we're like what would what would we talk about everything's fine again was that we they in the reverse said that if trump won the election they would have to stop the podcast and it ended up being more content for them

so that's that that's our curse is we will only get worse uh and more content as time goes on exactly we'll just start talking about iran all the time no i'm glad that like there is absolutely no compromise with this because it just kind of it shows that you can't do that you can't negotiate with these people and that sort of makes the corbin platform that much more attractive because you can then say look we tried moderation with Ed Miliband and it just didn't work and none of these people want to come over to us so like if you want a better world this is your party and you don't have to have a big thing

saying like controls on immigration just to make some racist agree with you all right so here's what we're going to talk about this is this is basically an article from hallowed antiquity because it's referring to something that happened nine days ago. Okay, yeah. I vaguely remember nine days ago. Don't cast your mind back that far. Everything was running on steam. Remember the guy who said,

I'd like to call out labor as liars because I earn 80K and I'm not in the top 5% of the country. He was the guy before I mean, the guy after the last Question Time guy who was like, what if we just united Ireland? It's called the Island of Ireland. So think about the island. Just a rogues gallery in my head of Question

Time guys. And this is the latest one. 800 County Socialist Ireland. So this was the 80k guy who like, I don't know, maybe he's like a grandfather now. 80K? How did I make that joke before you? This guy is like the bizarre god emperor of the space empire where no one can earn more than 80K. Oh, that's the episode title right there

all right so i get to do an episode title so he he uh to win a bag we have so there was this there's this article in the spectator um no or in the telegraph maybe one of those indistinguishable indistinguishable by a guy called andrew wilshire who wrote an almost identical article last year i don't last year sorry last election and we're going to get into what that was but the title of the article is like the love actually of elections it just comes out every time yes absolutely this article gets people enjoy the familiarity um why someone at adk might not feel rich well you have to spend a lot on silver polishes, duck moats,

things of that nature. Yeah, hello fresh. I mean, wealth has these costs attendant to it that you don't think about. You have to buy all that ermine. Yeah, yeah. You have to keep paying that guy to not release those videotapes. At least! You have to keep investing in this

Epstein wealth fund. After the school fees and the mortgages, there's really only about 50 grand left. Josie, that's

sort of, it's almost the argument that gets made in this piece. And the pate bill alone. And that's for the dogs.

You know that they banned foie gras in New York City? Yes, and the dumbest people on earth are furious i know it it well no because i don't eat meat right but like man that was my favorite being aware of the existence of luxury meats well no i don't eat meat you might be able to consume

i don't eat meat anymore, but I mean... You just find it comforting to have it on the menu. No, luxurymeatspin.com. I can eat some squashed goose that has been gavaged to within an inch of its life. No, it's good that it's been banned. It's good that it's been banned. Also gavaged, I've never heard that word before.

It's beautiful. I've never heard it turned into a past tense verb. This is why you pay me the big podcast bucks exactly um well you pay all the school fees for why someone on 80k if you don't pay people more than 80k you'll never get a podcaster who is able to use gavage as a verb why someone on 80k might not feel rich by andrew wilshire as in every election in recent memory a debate has broken out over the point at which a person becomes quote-unquote rich and is therefore able to cough up a bit more to fund public services um i think you are too rich if you know the word gavage then you have to like you know ruin your credibility by going on a dumb

show wait alice no that's not a thread you want to pull on. That's, uh, or else you might reveal the decolletage. So, um, basically the argument, of course, is, yeah, at what point does someone become rich? I mean, again, Marx has an easy answer. When you own something that is the means of production, essentially. But the spectator can't do anything

like that because they can't be materialist because then they'd have to fall apart. So they rely on a different schema. Well, also, it like you don't you don't need to like call some people rich and some people not you just like have a great like a gradated fucking taxation scale where it's like hey these people have a bit more money so they can pay a bit more and so up the scale it goes yes exactly you can't be insane like that and use numbers to measure things the magic number this time is 80k the salary around which a person enters the top five percent of all income taxpayers and who according to be a labor

will be required to pay quote a little bit extra to fund their massive splurge on public spending a little bit more talk about income tax most of the richest people well exactly okay this is it they have people avoiding as much tax as possible on income. None of their true sources of wealth are being taxed. We don't tax land. We don't tax property adequately whatsoever. We allow people to be landlords

and to profit incessantly off of that. Yes, they vaguely tinkered with the taxes around that recently, but not in any sort of meaningfully, not in the way I would. Not even just with domestic stuff. John McDonnell, right? If just with domestic stuff John McDonnell right if Labour is elected

John McDonnell is not going to fly to Panama and make them release all of the papers like truly he is going to

take your house though he is going to take your house he hoards houses he loves houses he does he needs a house for every boat

he's only got two houses he's got three boats he's short one house and he's short a house but the man. My man's shorter house. But the idea that £8 a fucking month would impact any of these people. £8 is half of what they spend on granola in a week, right? Yeah. It's nothing.

For clarity, why Josie's saying £8 is that someone on ADK, this guy in the Question Time audience, in order to fund things like a functioning healthcare system, a functioning social care system, like the things that might, you know, the rehabilitation service that might have prevented that guy from going on that bridge and going on that stabbing spree, right? Not having children so starving

they can't concentrate at school. It would be £8 a month. Yes. Because he doesn't understand how a marginal tax works. Imagine going to America and you sat someone down in America and you were like, okay, so here's the thing. I got some bad news for you. So we have a new health insurance plan and it's going to cost you. Now, good news, it's comprehensive. It provides everything you want,

free at the point of need. Not free at the point of need, but at the point of need. Also, we are going to... Add dental. Yeah, we're also going to add dental. We're going to do all of this. However, I'm afraid it's going to cost you per month eight. And the guy's like, oh fuck 8,000? I can't afford that. No, no, no, no.

Eight. Eight pounds. And they're like, how much is that? It's $1.50. Weird British money. It's going to cost you about $12. And also we throw in a bonus package for £9, which is that all of the worst people in the world have a massive meltdown. And you get to be in their mentions saying Julia Fartley Pooh.

If you've ever been around rich people, £8 a month is the kind of thing that they spend on an auto-renewing subscription service that brings them like a box of sex dildos a month that they forget to cancel wait i've built a non-sex dildo medical dildos exactly pounds a bunch is how much they have going out to borrow my doggy.com because they can't be bothered to go into the account yeah and cancel the direct pass yeah yeah and we and we're and we're saying oh we don't i don't... I don't know.

Full health care for everything I might need. Mental, dental, everything. Eight pounds, though. We'll throw in Wi-Fi. No, I don't want you spying on me through the Wi-Fi. How would we do that? Go back to the tricks

that Nat West used to use to get you to open a savings account and just be like, you get a CD player. You get those pigs. Do you remember? You guys are probably too young. Yeah, yeah.

It was like this series of pigs you could get that were piggy banks. And first you got the baby, then you got the little boy, then you got the little girl, then you got the mum, then you got the dad. And you got a policeman.

So you grow from a baby to a boy to a girl. Same. Yes. So very progressive savings account. There are roughly 1.5... Saving up for the operation. There are roughly 1.5 million people in Britain who fall into the top 5%

who already contribute 50.1% of all income tax collected. And there are cubs. Because they're fucking minteds. They're all going on question time to whine about every single fucking thing about anything that ever happens to them. They have a column in the Observer. They're cunts. Fuck them. Now, 80K is obviously a lot more than the average salary of 23K.

I just, I swear to God, it is true. They're all dickheads. And they're all the most vociferous dickheads about being dickheads you will ever meet. But one of the stranger things about this debate is that only gross incomes are ever considered. The redistributed effect of the current tax and welfare schemes is ignored.

Factor that in and things look very different. Yeah, sure. As in the 2017 version of this analysis. Current tax and welfare schemes is ignored. Factor that in and things look very different. Yeah. As in the 2017 version of this analysis. So this is the second time this article has been written by the same guy. Consider two similar families. Both have two teenage children. Both rent a three bedroom house in Hackney, North London. Pause there.

Yeah. Who the fuck can afford to rent a three bedroom house in Hackney as a family? These people, they don't exist. 80 grand is not enough to rent a three-bedroom house as a family. I can't do this shit anymore. You have to vote Labour so we don't have to read this again in 2020. In each case, and that's the thing, right, Josie? I think you're right.

Yeah, and the problem isn't going to be we have to relieve the tax burden on people making the top 5% of income we have to understand that rent seeking has made it so that you have to be in the top one percent of income to have a comfortable life that's that the mansions of labor infographic showing that you know john mcdonnell owns a two million pound house which looks like shit uh that is my absolutely favorite thing that i mean we've talked about this so many times I'm just trying to own Corbin with the fucking house that looks like

a piece of shit His million pound house and like he's he's had a shrub over the door that hits him in the forehead and it's like you're

literally doing his job for him every time and he's never pruned it So in each case one of the adults works while their partner stays at home

the only difference is that one family has a gross income of 14k from minimum wage, while the wage earner in the other family earns 80k. I don't know how this makes any sense. What version of Aaron is this?

This extremely rich apple. They've got teenage kids, but what's happening with one of them not working? What's going on? I need to further know. What's so annoying about this this is god i've invented this world now within this world that have their specific conditions you're like yes in this ridiculous scenario that you've concocted that has 27

different caveats in it you might be able to make some random point it's still fucking bullshit it is only ever tuesday that's an important point which will come up later one of them tells the truth but one of them laughs these people are all like lifetime prisoners of a mind palace that they can't escape they're all prisoners of their own

mind palaces they're all staring at the simulacrum map what if your mum was 80k I thought you were going to do a Statham Baudrillard for a second and my brain was not prepared for that. Listen, if I don't pay £8 a week in the next 15 minutes the lower

earning family qualify for tax credits housing benefit and child benefit whereas the higher earning family qualifies for no benefits at all. That's how benefits work. It's almost like that's how the system is supposed to work. We're both going to do the Milo thing at the same time.

Everyone grab onto something because this next couple of sentences are the most infuriating counterintuitive pedantic meaningless bullshit ever committed to writing. Just a really quick thing. These are literally the people that always go on about like like oh well you can't

Have like free this out of the other because then rich People will get it as well and here he is Complaining about rich people not getting Things which are literally intended for poor people Please continue in this case The family on minimum wage in receipt Of benefits actually has approximately Two thirds of the net income of the

Family with the single earner on 80k So despite earning almost Six times more the family with the single earner on 80k so despite earning almost six times more the family with the high earner has a net come that is only about 50 percent greater than the other family oh no what pisses me off is exactly that right so they still have twice as much money to spare but on top of that it's completely forgetting that we have a thing called class in this country and we have a thing called class in this country and we have a thing called entrenched privilege in this country because most people who manage to get to 80k come from a privileged background which means they have wealth sat

behind them for fucking generations they know what gavage means why don't i am oxbridge educated they're putting they're putting geese into a big squeezing press in the back of their own house. That's what most of that money is going on. And that goose press is very expensive. This is my version of the cultural revolution. Instead of a pig iron forge or a software company, you have to have a goose press in every house.

It has to be made of marble. It has to be made of low quality foie gras. Otherwise it sticks. Marble goose press. So it is worth noting that a significant portion of this total subsidy is through the form of housing benefit. This is obviously less in other parts of the country and not received by owner-occupiers,

which may highlight another disincentive for people being able to purchase their own property because it could leave them substantially financially worse off. Nobody's got any fucking money. Who's purchasing property anywhere? Why? Also, in Hackney, if you were able to buy your council house, you would then make a shit ton of money.

Hackney's such a bad example for this because if somebody bought their council house even five years ago and then resold it, they would make incredible like incredible amounts of money from that like it's completely divorced of the context of that borough like i know how much house prices in hackney have gone up in the last 10 years and i know also how much it's a reduction if you do want to use right to buy in a council house you buy at a cheaper rate like of course people would buy their council sorry i'm worried that i've missed no, but the reason they're not buying houses, Josie,

is because they've actually gone to their financial advisor at Coots and he's advised them that actually if they buy the house, then they won't get the housing benefits. That's what they're doing. It's actually like a weird switcheroo thing. They're actually laying off most of their housing benefit into a slush fund in Guernsey. Did Malcolm Cantwell write this article?

And it's all being invested in drones for some reason. Anyway, that's what the working class do, stuff like that. That's basically the argument, which is, well, actually, people on benefits love it. Being on benefits rules. This country makes it super easy. Choke me, daddy. And you know what? They're actually, how dare they look at them?

They're earning enough to live. And the people who have an 80K gross salary they're only making enough to live super comfortably. It's not even true. There's still food banks? Sorry, Alice, what the fictive world of this column imagines is what if there weren't?

This is Candyland and you will get your food delivered by a stuffed unicorn that rides from house to house with presents. The other thing is the family making 14k and the family making 80k in this scenario have no interaction with each other. There is no social system that is determining

who gets what and at no point does the person making lots of money benefit from the fact the person making less money is making less money. They're just sort of living in perfect vacuums. Yes, of they're living in um they're living in uh a perfect vacuums yes they are not living in a society that thing that we live in can i just make a really tedious point which is we have a benefits cap which means that you can't claim housing benefit

over a certain amount which means that in this fictitious hackney flat there are not three bedroom hackney flats that aren't already established council accommodation that you could afford on the private market. What would really happen to this family who were earning nothing if they were moving into the borough of Hackney now is that they would be stuck on a waiting list for council accommodation for decades. Or they would simply not be able to afford to rent anywhere that wasn't a one bedroom flat or an HMO or something. They wouldn't be able to afford to rent a three bedroom place. Or they would probably then have to rent something in like Hemel Hempstead and then spend the rest of their money commuting in truly like it's it's so annoying especially for him for him to use my home borough because I'm like I have a friend who was um on benefits because she was a single mother and she couldn't afford

um to do like also I'm justifying as if that's like I was I have a friend who was on benefits she was a single mother bringing up her baby of course she was that's what she needed to do she's a brilliant person she could not afford in the London Borough of

Hackney to rent anything other than a one-bedroom place for her and her son so she had to sleep in the lounge and her son had to sleep in the bedroom like

that's the reality of it it is insulting for this person to go but they did offer her an excellent opportunity to move to Canvey Island

which she would have loved I hate the fact that and again we come down to the the reality of it. It is insulting for this person to go... But they did offer her an excellent opportunity to move to Canvey Island, which she would have loved. I hate the fact that and again we come down to this person writing this column is sat in his study and he's gone downstairs to the kitchen and, oh no, the cleaner's still cleaning so he's going to have to go back up to study and thinks, I know what I'll do. I'll rehash

that article from two years ago. Now let me imagine. Now let me imagine what it's like to be on benefits oh wouldn't that be lovely i wouldn't have to do my strenuous work i wouldn't have to write this column again i could find it if i could only get on benefits i'd be free from the prison of eternally rewriting this this is why we have to do ubi is to spare us from having to read these and the writers from having to write them they're're all cursed by a witch. That's what's happened. They have to write it every time. They have to imagine

fictitious scenarios. He is like an even more dark energy Gladwell. He has to come up with an insane scenario in which the thing that's not true is somehow true. You know what this is in terms of reading series? This is the depression pole to the mania

of the Joe Swinson's Britain future that we imagined in a previous one of these. This is just dire, dire stuff. People on ATK don't get a skills wallet. No. Oh, no. Skills wallet. Okay. This is something I've talked about before on the podcast, but I will talk about again just as we close this out,

talked about before in the podcast but i will talk about again uh just as we close this out uh which is the skills wallet is this thing where the government basically gives you a 10 000 pound coupon for education that you can then spend to top up um what you might your budget to spend on learning throughout your life so you can spend it on university you can spend on a continuing education spend it on nearly one year of university. Yeah, nearly a year. You spend it on one textbook. Yeah, and so you get a skills wallet, but here's the funny thing. That's basically a policy that won a contest

at the Institute for Economic Affairs as their best policy of the year award. Good that they're a fucking fan contest. For someone who came up with this thing called Ed Egg that we talked of the year award. Good that they're fucker fan content. Yeah, the ugly fucker fan content. Where someone came up with this thing called ed egg that we talked about

in our last episode with, bonus episode with James Meadway. Subscribe to Christian Neibitz's private snap. Right? There's a thing called

a ped egg which my mum's really into which is a kind of pumice stone egg that you rub on your feet. Oh, I know. I'm glad that ended

with feet. So, I'm going to do the last. This is the last bits of this article. It is only when a family in this position is earning more than 45k that they start to pay more in tax than they receive in welfare. More than twice the median income. Below this point, no net contribution

is being made to public services either. I added the word net because he said contribution, which is fucking wrong because everyone is contributing something with VAT and all this. If you get paid under 45K, you don't pay VAT ever is the thing. No, or national insurance or anything else. And for example, actually, the personal allowance is 45K. Actually, it looks like it's $11,250.

No, it's 45K. So, no, what he means is net because he's like well too bad we have to shell we the people who are earning lots of money so what five percent of the country has to shell out for people who we'd really rather not hear and it's at least that is his argument like it's so fucking nonsense i wish that this person had actually written an article that went I just don't feel very rich myself, even though I do earn 200 grand, but I don't feel rich. Oh, that's coming. I'm sure that's next week.

I earn 200 grand a year to write these columns and I can't possibly be rich because I don't even try very hard. How could it possibly be that 99% of people in the country are poorer than me when, honestly, I'm a fucking idiot? I got given this job. I didn't even want to do it. Half of the time I just spin a big wheel with words like scrounger and day go written on it. Then I just kind of stencil things in my own piss

and then I send it in and they just print it. I mean, you know, I don't see why these people can't lift themselves out of poverty. I can do it. The Telegraph's going rate is 40 grand a word. So this is the last bit. It is also worth remembering. That's how you can always tell it's going to be

a good line in one of these types of pieces. It's going to be profoundly true. It's going to be profoundly true that people find themselves in different situations throughout their lives. Don't ever accept a situation. Isn't that always worth remembering? It's always worth remembering.

I hate being in situations. Mind the different situations throughout their lives, Sorrentino. That's my second favorite line from this article. My favorite is still, now, 80K is obviously a lot more than 23K. The Max Scott is logged on. These two numbers sure are different. So peak earning potential is normally reached in a person's late 40s to early 50s.

Oh, hello. To the top. We're changing that. You're not going to live that long. Fake earnings potential. Oh, yeah. Climate change means that we're all at our top earnings potential now. We're not going to live that long. Fake earnings potential. Oh, yeah. No, climate change means that we're all at our top earnings potential now. We're not going to live that long.

That's true, because that's when you can become like a local mom who makes like $1,000 a day from like sitting at home. From this weird trick. Yeah, exactly. This one weird trick is being on a podcast. So the top 5% of earners is not a static group of people. Many people will enter and exit that band at some point in their lifetime. Gosh, it's a shame that tax follows them.

Yeah, but you earned 80k once, so you have to pay that rate of tax the rest of your life. 80k, not even once. This is why it might be a mistake for Labour to speak of them as a group apart. They're not tax bands! Yes! If you make

less than 80k again, you stop paying the extra tax This is what They don't brand your family Unto the 9th generation You see Alice you have been brainwashed What happens is the second you earn 80,001 pence

What happens is John McDonnell comes round And he fucks your wife and you have to watch And you know what And your dick has to get hard and you have to watch. And you know what? And your dick has to get hard and you have to enjoy it, actually. And that's how it is. And it happens every year on January 31st.

John McDonnell doesn't want to do it. He's 65. I know. He's just doing his duty. The second you make more than 81K, then like John McDonnell suddenly starts leaning on you like a mafia boss

and busts out your sports apparel. You have to start living in a tent in your sports store. It was a great episode. You just have to be David. He's going to turn the entire country into David Scatino, where it doesn't matter. You're just poor forever. You have to confiscate his son's car and give it to your daughter. John McDonald's adult sons are going to have your daughter's car.

John McDonald is just going to bully you, and that's why we can't vote for Labour. Yeah, because look, John McDonnell, every episode, I like to think, has one worthwhile thought in it. John Biff Tannen McDonnell. This is the worthwhile thought from this one, which is that people like Spectator columnists think that John McDonnell is going to treat

the entire country like Tony Soprano treats David Scatino which is hilarious I mean the deeper meaningful thing here the profound truth if you like is that they all think that John McDonald is going to treat them like they treat

everyone else when in reality you know John McDonald's going to treat the country like Johnny Sack treats his wife what with the utmost respect When in reality, you know, John McDonald's going to treat the country like Johnny Sack treats his wife. What? With the utmost respect. With the utmost respect and love. Yeah. Boris Johnson is that no good Ralph Cifaretto.

It's a matter of respect. Boris Johnson is Ralph Cifaretto. They all think John McDonald is Tony Soprano to their David Scatino. And actually, all we want is we want Johnny Sack treating the country like Ginny Sack. I think we can end it there, folks. I think that's a good realization. Everything is understandable with reference to this brand.

And under John McDonnell, she could afford to have that mole on her ass treated. All right. So, as you know, if you're listening to this on Tuesday and you're in London,

we probably still will have a couple tickets left to our live show with Rob Delaney at Vauxhall Comedy Club. The very same. Doors are at 7, but the show doesn't start until 8.30, so come hang out, but we've started it late so

you can canvas if you want to. Battersea is... So nice. Battersea is a marginal, so Marcia de Cordova is a great MP, and you can canvas there, or you can canvas in Vauxhall. I'm less familiar with the situation there it's like

all my six officers it was Kate Hoey but I don't know what we've done with it did the kebab guy get the nomination she's in the same box as Jacob Rees-Mogg she and Jacob Rees-Mogg are just sitting in the election

oh my god did you see the telegraph headline that was leave the Labour Party, the Labour Party's left me. So, if there are any tickets left for that,

we'd love to see you. Please get one, we'd love to see you there. If you've already got your ticket, see you later tonight or we saw you yesterday. Depends when you

listen to this. Yeah, really, you know. Oh, we saw you many months ago. Yes. If you're listening to this after the fall of civilisation,

as you cook beans on an open fire. If you find this in a reel-to-reel tape player in the wreckage of a building yeah you've got the one remaining working air pod on the isle of wight um so yeah so do come to that and like do try if you want to come hang out beforehand for sure we always do this by the way we always do the terrible future well I'd like to do the opposite. What if you're listening to this and the Labour Party has won the election and it's like Wakanda, you know? What if you just live in a big glass building where everyone has free healthcare? Yeah, okay, cool. That's also possible. But then why would you be listening to this? I don't know, catharsis? Therapy?

Nostalgia. Things are good. Just for your post-traumatic stress disorder from having lived in neoliberalism for so long. It's like you want to go and experience what it was like so you can enjoy the good socialism that you're living in. I'm listening to this on some future technology in the museum of the trash past.

Yeah. This podcast becomes like Band of Brothers, but for the posting wars. In so many ways. So so anyway do come to see us this evening with Rob Delaney we'd love to see you there do canvas beforehand though because that's the thing I say this at the end of every show recently

these people want to be in charge of the country the people we're talking about Boris Johnson who literally says that his enemy is human rights law wants to be in charge of the country. And the only way we can get him out is if we make sure that we're using the main resource that the Labour Party has, which is people. We have campaigners. We have people knocking on doors. We have Faisal Shaheen has knocked on every single door in Chingford. And Ian Duncan Smith is now running to people's houses

saying, oh, John McDonald's going to come and bust you out. So this is good, but we have to keep going. You have to not get disheartened or be made complacent by polls. We have to remember, go on my campaign map, find a marginal, work with a CLP and do it. But also, we can't just keep doing sexy marginals like Chingford and Uxbridge. We desperately need people in Bedford. We need people in the Midlands and the North. We need people actually getting up and knocking on those doors. People in Scotland, especially. Scotland can deliver a Labour government

and it just takes a few sexy marginals. Also, can I just add that it's so hard not to feel dispirited, but I think it's so worth when you have conversations with people about what could happen to act as if we have a good chance, which we do, of forming a government and to speak as if there are positives and that it could be real because it is infectious and it is exciting and it does help change things like in such a small way just conversations you have like random with strangers conversations you have with acquaintances conversations you have with kind of wavering friends and stuff I think it does really help to be certain and to be positive because you just

don't know where their reception of that might take them and how that will splinter out like absolutely i think riley's wrong i don't think the greatest asset of the labour party is people i think the greatest asset of the labour party is vibes or if you want me to be more prosaic about it, hope, right? Because I think the conservatives, we can all agree, their vibes, rancid. Just an extremely sweaty man coming to your house in the middle of the night saying, well, the labor's gonna sell your house, you know? It's very bad, Dick Gale. You shouldn't vote for labor. Is it like-

Oh, fucking hell, Ian Duncan Smith is Junior Soprano. He's running around this constituent night going, I've got you, Malinga. go for labor it's like oh fucking hell ian duncan smith is junior soprano junior soprano up against a better world is possible junior soprano loses every time exactly that's what we have to do that's the conversation that we have to make absolutely and like we're gonna also try to connect to like with, especially some of these target seats. So like, make sure if you're in London, like leave London.

Go to like bits around in London. We're going to do a podcast individually targeted to every undecided voter in Bedford. Mr. A. Aronson. Aronson and Zukowski from The Simpsons. Anyway,

the end matter segment has gone on for a very long time. Milo, do you have anything to plug? I'm doing a lot of shows early next year. It would definitely help me if people bought tickets. I really need to sell some tickets in fucking Liverpool. Jan 17th, I'm coming to Liverpool. I'm doing my Edinburgh show.

Please buy a ticket to that if you live near Liverpool because I don't know anyone in Liverpool. There's like one person who's bought tickets so far, so maybe that. London, January 18thth I'm doing Pindos in London for the last time in London if you want to come to that there's also a taping uh I'm also doing two shows at the Vault Festival which is a work in progress of my new show which is like late Feb early March and I'm doing two shows at Leicester Comedy Festival one of Pindos and one of a whip of my new show which is like 21st and 22nd of February yeah Yeah, so if you're going to be there,

Josie, what's going on with you? I'm going on tour in the spring and it lasts until June. Heaven help me. That's going to be very long. Please come. Tickets are available. I'm doing new places like Crawley

and I mean, God knows whether that's a good decision on my part or not. Is it a marginal? I think it's probably predatory. The Labour Party, they're giving it a go. think it's probably pretty tory i have the labor party there's you know they're giving it a go uh i god knows i'm just trying to make it work in this world you're just trying to make that 80k so john mcdonald will come around and all i want is for him to

take my wife yeah yeah this is the real social mobility goal. Rodney Dangerfield on Question Time. To have John McDonnell fuck your wife. Oh, my. Right. So go see Josie's show when she's on tour. But Josie, thank you very much for coming in today. It's been a real pleasure. It's my pleasure.

I feel like within a year and a half, my brain will be back up to speed. So please keep me in mind for future videos. This is how you know when we've had a really good guest, is it runs for like three and a half hours. Of course and as ever our theme song is Hit Here We Go. It's by Jin Sang. You can find it on Spotify. It's a good tune. Listen early, listen often but otherwise

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