TRASHFUTURE - Young Justin's Fancy feat. Rob Rousseau

Episode Date: October 8, 2019

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Ah, Victoria Scam is the standard. Someone told me that nothing would make them happier than if I was to go and kill myself. I've also been told that I'm racist. Ah, you're the Tory f***er everyone talks about. You get it everywhere. My name's Jack Kenyon. I joined the Conservative Party just over three years ago.

My name's Jenny Diefkirk and I've been in the Conservative Party for a year now. I'm H. Wendell. I've been in the Conservative Party for about five years. I'm from Liverpool originally. I'm the only Tory in my family. And my mum grew up in Brighton as well, so I don't come from Tory stuff.

A couple of things that have happened to me as a young Tory is that I've been accused of being a traitor to my gender, a traitor to mine. Hello and welcome back again to TrashFuture, the podcast where we are standing solidarity with young Tories who are called cunts when they walk through the park. I'm Riley. You may remember me from all the ones before this.

I'm here in studio with Milo Edwards. Hello. Yes, me, boy. Milo Edwards. Hello. Yes, me, boy. I mean, if there's one thing I can relate to the Tories on, it's being bullied by children in my local park.

So thanks for that. It's good to know we all have something in common. And I'm also here with Hussain. I used to get bullied by kids, but then I became the most influential person in London as of today. That was actually sealed. That's actually a thing.

I don't know how it happened. You can have to go on Love Island now. Yeah, I have to go on Love Island and I have to like join a boy band. I don't know. I just, I've kind of got to do everything. I'm waiting for like, so apparently when you're on this list,

the evening standard list, you get invited to this party and I can only imagine it. It's like the ice wide shot party. But you have to have sex with Fraser Nelson. Yes. Yeah. Ah, damn.

It's on some kind of island, the size of which is unconfirmed. Look, but I cure. It's just, you have a saintly time. And also we have on the boards, Nate Bethay. Nate, how you doing? Hello, I'm doing very well.

It's a shockingly cold for early October, I believe. I don't know if this is normal British weather. It's pretty normal. It's pretty regular. Really? Well, yeah. Sorry, you moved here.

I did. So you moved here from New York, which is like famously colder, right? Yeah, but it's like 90 degrees in New York today. Or Fahrenheit. So it's like, it's like what, 29, 32, something like that. And it sucks. And now coming out of Weather Corner,

the weekly weather update, we of course are also joined by Rob Russo, countryman of mine, Rob. How you going, Betty? I'm doing very well. And I have never been bullied in the park because I don't look like a massive twat like most Tories do.

So. No, it's true. It's that I think it's actually, they think they're being bullied for being Tories. Actually, kids are just playing the goose game and learning and imitating their heroes of the pixel. You don't know about the emotional goose? Yeah.

Emotional goose in time. There's a game where you play a goose who bullies people and I'm pretty sure that teens are now copying their behavior from this. Is it a Canadian goose? It's, they're doing anti-foshits because they played the goose game and calling people cunts

just because they're wearing full white tie to the park. Canadians like kill all their geese and then made a clothing brand called Canada Goose from it. Indeed. Yes, no ethical consumption. Canada Goose Maverick's extremely polite copilot. Indeed. Well, look, we've got a packed schedule today.

Took me a second. We've got a packed schedule today. Stuff be happening. Because things are happening, fascism's on the march, which is really annoying. That's right. It loves to be. Yeah, it loves to be on the march.

But today we're going to review a few of the outputs of the conservative party conference and then we're going to leap across the Atlantic Ocean back to my homeland, where also Rob can fill us in on a little bit of what's going on there with Woke Bay, Justin Trudeau, and even Woker, even Bayer, Maxime Bernier.

Yeah, everything's going great over here. Yeah, we're doing very well. Totally normal and good over here. Oh, okay. So what shall I cancel the second two segments then? We'll just do the Tory stuff since nothing bad's happening in Canada. All right.

So I've got four key highlights from the speeches from the conservative party conference. That was just full. Well, because of the space on the page, we could do a whole year of episodes. On the different speeches. Did you know that Liz Truss made a whole speech saying that Britain was going to become the, quote,

and I quote, Ideas Factory of the World? I mean, I love to work at the Ideas Factory. I mean, she's right in the sense that like the neck, you know, the only logical step for the Tories is to kind of create a brain measuring factory. Yeah, that's true. Well, the Ideas Factory is actually what produces

all the ideas that are then sold at the Ideas Store, which is what the library near our studio is called. Like, how do we get people to go to the library? Let's rebrand it as the Ideas Store. It's a cool startup hub where they make various juice-based appliances. They've actually got an e-book. You don't need an e-reader to read.

And so what she specifically said is that the more startups like Deliveroo and Revolut we attract, you know, the more startups that just sound like noises you make with your mouth, that we can invent things like delivery driving and banking. But also what we did was we had Esther McVeigh appear genuinely amazed that some houses were three-dimensional and were designed as such by architects using computers.

We're no longer just making plastic models for houses, but not at all. And secondly on the houses, I'm running through these quick hits. We're going to do a... We're going to understand what we mean after. Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick promised to relax building standards to allow...

Robert Jenrick, of course, a normal name. A normal name. ...promised to relax building standards to allow extensions of two stories without any planning permission. At all. My one-story house. My one-story house three times the size. Yes, without planning permission.

You need no planning permission. All you have to do is wish it and want it and then make it happen. And then you too can build a window box that you can charge a thousand pounds a week to rent out to some like poor tech worker. I mean, in favor of this, if... Yeah, if it's no planning permission or building regulations,

you have to build it yourself. Those are the rules. Accept or deny. Those are... That's your object. You build your own fucking like tree house type of shit. I'd love to see it. This is more evidence, I think, that the British conservatives

are just sort of children. They're just excitable children. Because like Matt Hancock lost count of the amount of new hospitals that were going to be built. Initially, it was 40. Then it was 21. And it turns out like 80% of them are in Tory marginal seats, which is a massive coincidence.

But there's an app involved. Yeah, there is an app involved. Yeah. Rob, I wanted to ask you, I'm not really familiar with Canadian conservatism anymore. Are they as sort of stupid and optimistic as the remaining centrist wing of the Conservative Party in Britain? I still think there's kind of a schism here in this country

where you still have our Conservative Party that are still sort of clinging on to the last vestiges of the sort of respectability politics of this bygone era. So I don't think that conservatives in this country really have kind of gone kind of taking a headlong dive into the pure stupidity that you've seen happen in a lot of other countries.

And so as a result, there's been kind of a schism in the Conservative Party, which we'll talk about later, which has led to a kind of an offshoot of people who have been very willing to do just that and go even farther, actually. Although, I think the important thing to note is that what I, this shard of the British Conservative Party, they're stupid, but they're not stupid

in the way that Donald Trump is stupid. They're stupid in the way that they genuinely believe a phone can replace a doctor because someone at a trade show told them that the new clinic is located in your pocket. That's not necessarily... And they just get taken in by that kind of thing. From my understanding of what British conservatives are,

this is not a small contingent of the party, but the party that's kind of aligned to the Adam Smith Institute, aligned to all these... The Instagram wing. Or the kind of youth wing. So we've got to talk about young conservatives at some point. Like the ASI kind of are the ones who hold a lot of these fringe events for young people.

And for them, it's like... So we've spoken about like Sam Bowman on the show, they'll be guys, they'll just be like, not only is vaping good, but we should get everyone to vape. We have to get preschoolers vaping. Right. Well, like renting is good because we have a choice and actually living in a closet is great.

And I love living. I love my bathroom, but also like doubles as my shower so I can brush my teeth and take a shit at the same time. And I can stand up doing it. And if I was to... Rob, if I was to sum up this kind of conservatism for you, how I would describe it is I'd go back to Liz Truss, the trade secretary's speech,

that she said that the young people of Britain don't want socialism. They're delivery eating, Uber riding, Airbnbing, freedom fighters. They're the Mao Mao, but if the Mao Mao just loved like chicken dippers. That's not even the dumbest thing Liz Truss has said. Like if you want to do a real highlight show,

you've got to go back to back in the day when it was the whole speech about the pork markets and the cheese. It might be, that might be stupid and strange, but this is the essence of British conservatism. It's just the belief that freedom is the ability to order a burger from McDonald's from your couch. What I really want, and I said this to you yesterday,

is I really want Liz Truss and Matt Hancock to fuck, because I feel like they would have a child of such amazing, like, optimistic, disruptive proportions that it would just be coming up with like, you know, like a pogo stick that will solve poverty by helping inner city kids jump in to entrepreneurship. Like they are made for each other. They are like the yin and yang of the Instagram's hoories.

And I think it's unfortunate that they're not married. I just feel like, and this is like, super British politics deep cut, but if I were to envision the adult child, the grown-up child of Liz Truss and Matt Hancock, it's Dominic Rab, like, it really is Dominic Rab, the karate dad from the home counties, who's going to karate chop cinder blocks on his front lawn

to impress all the other dads. That is, that is the Tory party. That's where it's heading. We are seeing in Canada a lot of the, we are seeing some of this like a rational conservative overconfidence and optimism, especially when it comes to the climate debate stuff. Because now we have this interesting situation where they're,

like the conservative parties are kind of vaguely aware that they have to talk about climate change and they can't just say like, oh, it's not happening and we're not going to do anything. But they're in this weird situation now. They've kind of twisted themselves into pretzel where they're saying, okay, well, we don't want to do carbon taxes. We don't want to have any kind of environmental regulations

whatsoever, but we are going to reduce our emissions and we're going to meet these targets through innovation, I guess, and that's never really specific. Exactly how that's going to work or what that means, but they're like, this should be enough to hold off the the brain hordes of people that are, you know, clamoring for us to say something about this. No, don't worry.

We've invented, we've invented a new kind of clean energy and it's just in my car. So hold on. You're telling me it's going to get hot in Canada? Okay, but that was good. But yeah, Milo's good at that. Milo's dialed in his Canadian impression. I mean, it's very like prairie provinces, but he's got it.

It's all based on my former landlord who was Canadian and talked exactly like that. True. Has he like a mountain cartoon character by any chance? That's the thing. He's the only Canadian I've ever met who sounded Canadian to that extent. But yeah, he was a banker.

No, it was bizarre. A very avuncular man. A very good finance program at the University of Saskatchewan or something like that. I remember a couple years ago, there was like this viral YouTube video that was going around of like a young actress doing all kinds of different accents

and just regional accents from all over Britain and all these different places. It was all very well done, like very nuanced. And then she got to the Canadian section, and she was like, oh, hey, I'm from Toronto, Canada. Yee. So unbelievably cartoonish. This discrimination against Canadians will end.

Yeah, unbelievable. People will stop doing maple face. It's not just syrup. Yeah. But also I want to talk about the dark side of the Conservative Party conference because surprisingly enough, as our right wing party slips from covert to overt fascism,

it's not all beer and skittles and apps. No. So there are sort of three to four, sort of I think deeply disturbing things came out of the conference and the immediate days after. Were any of them a picture of Nicholas Somes' dick? No. No, that's good.

That's it. Nothing can be that bad. So, okay, moving forward. Yes. Often described as a key in a wardrobe. Yeah. However, no. So one of the things was home secretary,

new home secretary, New Boris Johnson, Pretty Patel's speech, where she said, free movement of people will end. This daughter of immigrants needs no lectures from North London's metropolitan liberal elite. And I could just,

it was like the triple parentheses were just hanging there in the air. We should clarify that the overwhelming majority of London's Jewish community is concentrated in the Northwest part of London. But if you say North London liberal elite, most British people who know London in the home counter is going to think the Jews.

Yeah. So cool move from Pretty Patel. I mean, there's two ways to think about it because I was thinking about this just now, which is that like, so she's Indian and North London is very famous for this place called Wembley. And Wembley is like the mecca for like rich Indian people.

And it's also one of, in my opinion, one of the worst places in the city. It is pretty dire. Maybe she really hates like Gujarati people that much. But like she had them specifically in mind. She really hates Ayesha's parents. To which I'm like sort of sympathetic because you know, I'm also Gujarati stuck in my family,

like part of my family in Wembley and they suck. So I'm like, okay. All right. I was kind of confused about this when I saw this story too because wasn't there at this Tory conference, conference on anti-Semitism that specifically talked about these exact terms and was like, don't say this

because that's definitely anti-Semitic. So obviously that's the actual thing here because she doesn't actually mean like rich Indian people. What she means is just like, well, she means like maybe she thought she meant leftist but actually this is a dog whistle time. Well, that's kind of what I've been thinking about, right? Like a lot of, and a lot of journalists,

like their reaction to Preeti Patel using a big, blaring anti-Semitic dog whistle was to say, oh, I'm sure she didn't mean it, but she should be more careful with her language. Robert Peston, I believe, actually said- If I were her speechwriter, I would change this. But I think the thing was, he said, take out the north. So people just know it as metropolitan London elite.

And then they can be like, that's not an elite. Oh, thanks, thanks, bro. Many anti-Semitic dog whistle in itself. Well, the thing I would point out too, because since as our audience has grown and many of them have become, we now have a lot of American listeners, I think what she thought she was saying,

you can look at two ways. One is she's secretly gone full anti-Semitic, but probably I think her speechwriters and her in her delivery thought she was making a subtle jab at Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott, both of whom represent constituencies in north London. However, north London,

when you say north London metropolitan elite, you are basically using Nazi code words and referring to a geographic location that has a large Jewish population. I don't say there's been a- Bleeding ignorance here is kind of fucking yeah. And this is also coming after weeks of Tories and kind of Tories.

And there's the adjacent journalists who are sort of having a go at Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonald for kind of saying things like, hey, maybe financial power is a bad thing and that we should do some more things to reduce that. And then I don't know what journalist said, it might have been like Finkelstein, it might have been someone else who was just like,

oh, this is an anti-Semitic trope because what you're saying is that bankers have loads of power. Yeah, that has been the thing where they've been like, oh, bankers, you mean, you're saying the Jews? Right, I think you're saying that. Without realizing it. Like, yeah, by trying to point a finger and call and say this is anti-Semitism,

you're basically saying that implicitly in your mind, wealth and Judaism are equivalent. But which is doctrinally, like definitely, I don't know guys, seems a bit much. But the thing is, right, like, and this was followed up today by Jacob Rees-Mogg talking about George Soros secretly funding all the anti-Brexit protests.

And it's like the journalistic community in this country, like the Tories are just telling them, we're the anti-Semitic party. It's us, George Soros, North London Metropolitan Elite. And they keep trying to find hidden codes in what Jeremy Corbyn is saying he's going to reduce the power of the bankers. But I think the thing I also want to focus on about this,

what Preeti Patel said versus what she meant, is sure, she might have meant she's talking about Tony as LinkedIn dinner parties, the people who live in Corbyn's constituency, thinking they know what's best for the nation. But even if that's what she thinks she meant, this is a form of political analysis that was developed by the Nazis to make a Nazi point,

which is that there are urban degenerates who have brought Germany away from its rigorous, natural, volkish roots with their weird cosmopolitan values. And we, the reactionary party, are going to sweep them away and bring the country back to its vigorous natural state. And we're going to do that by punishing the people in the Nazi Germany's case, Jews,

in Preeti Patel's case, just people with cosmopolitan values who are usually identified with Jews. We're going to punish them for you, the real people of Britain. And this isn't even the first time they've done this. Like, Suella Braverman, another Tory front bencher, was talking about getting rid of the cultural Marxism

that was plaguing the country. Like, at some point, at some point, I'd love to think that people like Pestin are going to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt, but I just can't see that happening. Although then again, we're analyzing Preeti Patel here. My favorite part of her speech was at the end, she was like, would you let Diane Abbott be Home Secretary?

Bearing in mind that, like, right, so Diane Abbott would be Home Secretary if Labour won the election. Preeti Patel is currently Home Secretary. Quick recap on Preeti Patel. In 2011, she went on the nation's Premier Politics Discussion Programme question time and argued that we should bring back hanging.

And then in 2016, she was fired for actual treason! Yeah, but Diane Abbott got a math question wrong once. Oh, yeah. So effectively, Preeti Patel, while ostensibly on vacation in Israel, met with Likud party members with the intention of renegotiating or activating some sort of diplomatic back channel to try to improve Britain's relationship with Israel.

And she was fired for this because you can't do that. Can't just do freelance diplomacy. You can't do freelance diplomacy. So needless to say, the fact that she was even reappointed to a ministerial position has a lot of people have been like, holy fuck, they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Yeah, but Diane Abbott had that cheeky G&T

on the train that time. So really, both of these things are the same. I know. They're all the same, right? That's probably, yeah. Left and right, am I right? One wants to bring back hanging. The other had a verbal slip while doing a quick math problem

on the radio. God, I just wish the sensible center would come back. Damn. I feel like bring back hanging, but in a mathematically costed out way. And the last thing that happened today, actually, was that Jake Berry, another Tory frontbencher, basically appeared to lose his shit in parliament

and screamed Britain first multiple times at the Labour frontbench. Very normal. Not only was Britain first the name of, I believe, a banned neo-Nazi party, but it's also what Thomas Mayer shouted at Joe Cox, murdered Labour MP in 2016 before murdering her. So very normal stuff.

These things are people say, man. Like, I don't know, you know, don't read too much into it. It's just like, look, the dictionary has tons of words in them. Two of them, one of them's Britain, one of them's first. Like, what are you going to do? Put the dictionary in jail? Because I've actually been reading Jess Phillips' book, and it was my understanding that the guy who killed Joe Cox

shouted, I love Jeremy Corbyn immediately before he shot her. She's Christ, right? That warrants its own mention that Jess Phillips' book basically uses sleight of hand to make it seem as though a Jeremy Corbyn supporter murdered Joe Cox, when in fact it was a guy who was further right of not only the Tories, but even the DUP,

like a full-on fascist intellectual fascist. Absolutely fascist, yeah. Into a fascist frenzy, like buy the right-wing newspapers and buy the conservative media in the UK, right? Absolutely, yeah. Of course. Yeah, during the Leave campaign in which it was, it was the Brexit campaign in which it was presented as

basically like, you know, degenerates want to destroy our nation, we'll take back control. Yeah, precisely. And he even also say take back control as well as Britain first. He's a death to traitors, freedom for Britain, Britain first, Britain first, Britain first. Oh, fuck's sake. And the thing is-

He did it three times just so you could, just so you could just so you know what he said. I can't get over the idea that this is going, like, that all of these three things have made Britain a more dangerous place in the last three days. Well, I just think that Tory Frontbencher was reading off the ranking of Wikipedia that says, countries with ranked by number of pedophiles per square kilometer.

We keep being beaten by this place called Lills and James Island. Belgium can no longer dominate us in this ranking. But Rob, I was actually going to ask you, it was like, this feeling that things are getting whipped into this greater and greater frenzy that things are getting darker and more imminent. Is that something you feel in Canada as well? Absolutely.

But like I said, I don't think this is really taken over the mainstream of Conservative politics yet. Definitely our Conservative parties and our Conservative leadership here in Canada are playing footsie with this kind of language and with these kind of extremist groups. But they've not really been willing to fully go all in on this. But I definitely, I mean, I think just judging by the way the rest of the West is sliding in this direction,

you can easily see the path that that's what we're on. I do think we're still a few years behind where you guys are and where the U.S. are though. Yeah, I've always thought that like Canadian politics sort of lags American stroke British politics by a few years. Right, like we had our Clinton and Krytyan, we had our George Bush and Stephen Harper, we had our Obama and Trudeau.

My wonder is like, I think Canada is sort of gerrymandered in such a way that it's actually pretty difficult for Conservatives to get outright majorities, right? Well, not necessarily because the electoral system is quite fucked up. I'm not sure if it's the exact same as in UK, but it's the same kind of parliamentary democracy, but also first past the post with like, so it leaves the door open for Conservative parties

to form majorities while only capturing a small minority of the vote. We saw this in 2010 with Stephen Harper, who secured a pretty significant majority then, and I think won like 34% of the popular vote or something like that. I don't have the figures in front of me, but that we do. Because the left is really fractured, it does lead to a lot of like vote splitting and issues like this and has often leads to Conservatives being able to take advantage of that,

which is something that I'm kind of concerned with happening within the next couple of weeks here. Oh, no. So getting into that a little bit, I'd like to go to our next section, which I've entitled in the notes, Justin Trudeau sucks an entire ass. The whole thing all by himself? The whole thing all by himself. It's actually all that blackface you thought he was wearing.

It's just a creamy puts on his face so that it can get back to normal after he opens it up wide enough to suck an entire ass. So one thing I'd like to focus on here is that Justin Trudeau, much, much beloved of people I run into here in Britain who are like, oh, you're from Canada. Oh, you must love Justin Trudeau versus that old Donald Trump down south. And I'm like, he's marginally better. But he is essentially a creation of marketing.

And can you speak a little more on like how Justin, like what the what the cult of Trudeau is and why everyone seems to hate him? Because his hair is so good. Yeah, I mean, that's part of it, obviously. But I think it's just what you said. It's been a very, very carefully curated marketing campaign, basically. And something that he's very, very good at, and I guess I give him credit for this,

is being able to use progressive language in a certain way, talking about environmentalism or talking about indigenous rights, or talking about economic issues. He's able to kind of very convincingly talk about these things as if he cares about doing the right thing, or as if he cares about things like inequality or marginalized communities. And he's really good at that. And I think when you compare that to Donald Trump,

who just openly shits on these communities and is just disgraceful and awful, it does, it can, if you're not really paying attention to what the actual policies are there, it can seem like, oh, this is obviously much better. But that's, I think that's been the critique of Trudeau from the beginning, from people on the left like me, is that that's all it is. It all it is is language. That's the extent of his kind of progressivism.

And then when it comes down to it, the actual policies that are being put in place are pro-capital. He's throwing a lot of these marginalized communities under the bus at the same time that he's very kind of has tears in his eyes while he's talking about how they're being marginalized and things like this. So I think that's why this whole blackface scandal has been so shocking for people, because I think for people that believe that marketing campaign,

it really flies in the face of everything that's been very, very carefully stage managed of what people believe about Trudeau. I shed a tear as I make an impassioned speech about how terrible it is that we're degrading the environment. All of the time, I'm slowly spit roasting a bald eagle. Well, that was the absurd thing. My little guy. Again, these climate marches the other day.

And you know, he says he's there making nice signs with his kids and marching in the streets about how we're not going to, but it's like, you're in charge, man. Where are you protesting right now? He's just introduced himself like, who, who are we protesting? I bet it's some real bad guy. Did you see that he didn't just like do blackface. He also like blacked up his body.

Oh yeah. And one of his, he's just a bodybuilder protesting some black guy apparently. No, he's a, he's, he's just a bodybuilder. He's doing this to show off his physique. No, but so if I have this written down here, Rob, you sort of, you prefigured this in Milo. Unfortunately, you did the thing where you laithed of heaven, this into existence again.

Where Trudeau like loves to praise Greta Thunberg because she came to visit for the climate strike march recently. And he said, today we march for a planet for our kids and for their future against his own policies. We love this. I couldn't change. I'm not going to change the policies, but I am going to march with you about them.

Like, do you know how awful Justin Trudeau is? The only person that like M.A. Therese accurately describes as a liberal is him. He's the only, when she talks about caricaturing liberals, she's talking about Justin Trudeau. I mean, that's why they all like had a field day when the Blackface stuff came out, right? Because it was just like, you know, when you look at like the rebel media stuff, like the Gavin McKinnon's things where they talk about Canada,

it's just like usually like boring as shit. But they really had a field day with him. You know what? Actually, just before we continue, like you kind of, you know, I am a Canadian as well. I may not be as Canadian as like Riley or Rob, but I do have a passport, which says so. So I'm allowed to like shit on at least like part of it.

The same original name is John Luke Debastard. But no, but that was the thing because like, you know, they really had a field day with him because I guess they were like waiting for him to fuck up. And not only did he fuck up, but he's like really fucked up like truly. And I just find it really funny that like the way he did it was by like getting too enthusiastic about Blackface. He loves to do Blackface. It's really...

Well, did he say something like, oh, I just, I can't help going up over the top. Oh my gosh, he's asking about costumes. Sorry, what that means is if he says that he's addicted to Blackface, making fun of him for doing Blackface is ableist, okay? Oh, damn. If he'd have been Dutch Prime Minister, none of this would have been a problem. He had a beloved family character. But you know what was really bizarre as well?

I know, I'm sorry, like, I'm sure like Rob will kind of talk more about this. But what was really bizarre was when those Blackface photos came out, you had guys like Maxime Bernier, who's the other... Who's the one who's like the main conservative party, Kai? Rob. Andrew Scheer. Who's the other Andrew Scheer? Yeah, who like did these videos which were like,

this is not what Canada is about. Like, you know, we're a place of like, you know, equality and like... We do Yellowface. I thought that would be a really offensive meme, the merciless costume. Right. And it was all of a sudden, like these guys who like are on fucking platforms, which are like, we're going to end multiculturalism and we're going to let everyone say the N word, especially if like, you know, you come from, you know,

if you come from a place where like, there's still indigenous people around. And by the way, everything Canada is fine, etc. Like, they were using like the language of social justice and the language that like Justin Trudeau kind of rose to ascendancy on, at least on an international stage, doing that. It's almost as though pure identity politics without a class element is empty. I'm just going to do the thing that everyone hates, but that I have to do it. And this time, instead of me just recapping Twitter, I'm recapping a tweet by a person friend of the show at argument winner from Beep Beep Lettuce.

But he had a tweet where it was juxtaposing two photos. One was Justin Trudeau in blackface. The other was Justin Trudeau at the Holy Celebration, where he was like wearing like the yellow sash on his head. And it basically says guys before and after they get the checkmark. Right. Well, that's another thing too, is that like, I mean, his whole affinity for costumes and doing that, that weird Namaste shit.

I mean, that is also fucking racist too. So it's kind of funny that he's kind of pretending that, you know, before, you know, this wasn't an issue, but it's been an issue with him for, you know, for a while now. So I have to say though, credit where it's due on the climate change stuff, there has never been a more radical centrist policy than having a bad policy and then protesting it. That's centrism, baby. Exactly.

It's a compromise. It's like we're going to do freedom of capitals free to do what it wants with the pipelines, but we are, I'm so free to protest it that I'm going to hold up a big sign that says, no, thank you. So this is here's some more of Trudeau on the environment. After after running on and getting elected by calling Stephen Harper's emissions targets, the weakest in the world, the government, very bad emissions targets, very sad actually, very weak. No one's going to those emissions targets Christmas parties anymore, no longer hot.

The Trudeau government first decided to stick with the same target for those, for emissions reduction upon getting an office, then is on track to miss them by 37% last year and is going to miss them by more this year. Well, that's what I'm talking about when it's just all about language and words too, because while Harper was kind of openly contemptuous of this kind of stuff, Trudeau says, you know, we pledged to hit these Paris targets and that's supposed to be enough, just saying that we're going to do it, but we're not actually doing anything, making any actual changes that are going to allow us to hit these targets,

but he wants to get the same amount of credit just for saying that we're going to. Well, he's actually protesting Stephen Harper's weak targets by deliberately missing them by 37% to show what bad targets he thinks they are. Yeah, that'll show the conservatives. That's called 4D chips. Okay. Yeah. That's called eight-dimensional 13 dead-end drive. And when it was then raised to him that his praise of Greta Thunberg and marching with her and stuff was hypocritical based on his habit of ramming pipelines across the entire country, he defended himself by saying that we have a national, this is quote,

we have a national climate plan that will reduce our emissions and hit our 2030 targets in a way that also includes getting a better price for our oil resources that allows us to put those profits directly into the fight against climate change. And there's just a big glowing red somehow above that. Like, oh, trust us, don't worry. We're going to, what if we block out the sun with all of the oil smoke and then problem solved? I just am laughing at the idea of Justin Trudeau playing 4D chess, but the board every single figure as a gollywag. Justin Trudeau does Operation Dark Storm from the Matrix by doing,

by burning all the tar sands and then no one can see him in blackface because the ultimate stealth prime minister. The white pieces are in blackface and the black pieces are in whiteface. Wow. Is this the Joker movie? We do live in a society agent of chaos. Yeah. And so, you know, this is why like, this is why someone like Trudeau is just immune to someone like Greta Thunberg because Thunberg is saying, no, you're not doing enough. You must do more. It is, I do not want your praise and I'm embarrassed to be, I'm embarrassed for you essentially. And he then promised, we're going to plant 2 billion trees. Great. You know, it seems so paltry. You can do it via an app.

I bet you fucking will. There is an app, there is an actually, there's like one of those apps, right? Is there? Yeah. So there's like a productivity app where like, I think, I think, I can't remember what it is, but like, I know there's definitely an app where like, the amount of time you spend on it, the company who makes it promises to grow a tree. So like, if you spend it, if you spend like a day on there, then you'll plant one tree or something like that. Well, I think we've solved the whole climate change thing. We can all go home now. Just crack open a beer because we're good.

Hey, let's relax Canadian style. I'll get the shoe polish. I mean, that is effectively like, but it's like a spectacular article, like waiting to happen, right? It's like, why are governments like getting involved in climate change when the app people are doing it for us? Yeah, the market should sort it out, you know. No, that goes back to the whole innovation thing. It says that, you know, using innovation is just this magic word that means nothing and everything at the same time. And you know, we're not going to actually do anything to change our society and, and change away and to make any kind of

change away from like vicious extraction capitalism. But through innovation, that's going to get us there and we'll fill in the blanks later. It's going to be like a environmental mad libs or something. If consumers don't wish to be cooked to death by the planet, then they will simply choose to live on a different planet, which is less hot, such as Neptune. Incidentally, incidentally, by the way, I saw an op-ed on Greta Thunberg in the sun recently, where she was described as having a, quote, disheartening effect on children. And what I enjoyed about that is that that's just, that's literally just a line from the show

Futurama, because in their episode about a giant ball of garbage that was launched away from the earth, coming back to hit the earth, that's just a thinly veiled metaphor for climate change. And the line is as follows. Finally, in 2052, New New York used its mob connections to obtain a rocket and launch the garbage all into outer space. Some experts claim the ball might return to earth someday, but their concerns were dismissed as quote, depressing. This is no good advice. The children are going to be demoralized by another child reminding them that they're going to die from climate change. It's like, damn, maybe we should just shut that child up and

then none of the other kids are going to have to worry about it. Look at Trudeau. He's got a sign. He's got a sign saying that the children are the future, but the children, crucially, are the future, not now. I keep noticing this though, because I mean, obviously, there's a whole thing in the UK with like dumb asshole, like concern troll people who also happen to be like political or journalism figures. David Vance is coming to mind as a guy from Northern Ireland who I believe is involved in politics because he's a huge piece of shit and just now kind of reinvented himself as just like the bottom feeding ass troll going to the worst. But he had something about Greta Thunberg and he

had something about Brexit protests and basically comparing them to saying like, well, in 1916, 15 year olds, and he has like a headstone of a child soldier who died in the First World War. And now it's children protesting. He's like, hmm, what a bunch of whiners. And it's like, so what you're effectively saying is children should know their place by dying in trench warfare because if they protest the future, then they're thinking that they can speak instead of their elders and betters. And it's like, well, your elders and betters are fucking stupid. Apparently they've just been kind of sitting on the fact that we're melting the earth for the last 40 years. And at this point, like the best we can do is damage mitigation.

And so like the idea that like, oh, well, you're upsetting my children who will then grow into adults who won't do shit about this, like it just seems so self defeating. And so it's like, the only way to please these people is to not make them uncomfortable and to do nothing that affects their quality of life or their lifestyle. I can't help but notice that you're complaining about not having a future from your iPhone hypocrisy. But also like, look, that whether it's Trudeau saying that he's going to do the policies but march with you against them and give you sort of a high five, or like David Vance saying, oh, just shut up and die already. They're treating people who want to avoid the earth burning to death with the same

amount of contempt. It's just Justin Trudeau is nice about it. Yeah, and that happens a lot too in the United States. And obviously, like things have changed a little bit with regard to like the current push to impeach Trump. But for the longest time, it would just be, you know, senators, you know, senior figures in the House of Representatives, governors, et cetera, people being on Twitter, on social media, this isn't who we are. It's like, if only someone could fucking do something about it, who could that possibly be? And instead, it's just, it's the same thing that you were talking about, Rob. It's the idea that doing like the really empathetic sounding

public appearance or worse, just social media posts is a substitute for actually doing something as a politician who's been elected to fucking be in charge of the government. Although I have to really respect David Vance for the admittedly bold take of 15 year olds being killed by industrialized machine gunfire is good actually. I really respect the boldness of that as a gambit. Well, when the water wars finally get here, then this guy will get his wish and then that will be the appropriate time then that we can then talk about climate change. Well, let's look, it's like this is what we used to drink in my own purse. I'll be fine. We can't, we can't talk about climate change until the UK is a desert. And we can't talk about

fascism until you specifically are being rounded up. Once you're rounded up, then you can talk about fascism. Until then, it's politically impolite and disrespectful to the real victims of fascism. It's hyperbolic, but it's also rude. Yeah. So I'd like to, I'd like to, if we, if we're all done on, on woke daddy Trudeau, who's just going to go the wave, who's basically political we work. You know, he's, he was an electoral fraud that was built upon a lot of hype and, and fake good vibes and is now just crashing and burning in public. Excellent flavored water though. His house is full of cucumber, like motivational messages just to be closed down because people get taking the free snacks.

Although I would say though that I'm not ready to write him off in this election. I think there is a, a still a chance that he will form the next government in this country, maybe a minority government. I've always kind of been running under the assumption, even before all this kind of scandal happened that the conservatives would win just because it's in keeping with the general trend of everything constantly getting worse everywhere. But there are a lot of compelling reasons why that people have pointed out to me why he probably will win the next election. But so it's not certainly a guarantee, but I don't think he's, he's completely finished yet, even if we are ultimately headed in that direction. I think even if, even if in this coming

Canadian election he does manage to hold on to power, it really is just going to be delaying the inevitable. Speaking of the inevitable, I think I'd like to move on now to discuss the Canadian People's Party, the offshoot from the Conservative Party, that decided they were going to be dedicated to classical liberalism, free speech, free markets, and smart populism. That could all just like end down to pedophiles. It begins with an end. Wait, wait, wait, wait, play the breaking news sting. Oh, I'll play it. Breaking news, breaking news, breaking news. The former leader of a US neo-nazi group, a former member of the Nazi group Soldiers of Odin, and a member of Pegida Canada,

another Nazi group, walking to a bar, were among those signatures that were submitted to elections Canada last year to officially register the People's Party of Canada. What the dang dang heck? I thought they were a classical liberal party dedicated to free speech, free markets, and smart populism. What are all these Nazis doing in there? Rob, can you help us out? I can try. Basically, the People's Party of Canada was started, I think it was earlier this year, by this guy, Maxime Bernier, who was, when the Conservative Party was electing a new leader a couple years back, he finished second to the eventual leader, Andrew Scheer, and ended up leaving the Conservative Party to start the People's Party of Canada. Like I was

saying before, while Scheer and the Conservatives have definitely been willing to play footsie with certain extremist ideas and extremist groups, for instance, Scheer's campaign managers, this guy, Hamish Mitchell, who was a former board member of Rebel Media, which is basically like Canadian Infowars, so I don't want to downplay that the current Conservative government ties to extremism, but they've been at least like coy about this, whereas Bernier and the People's Party of Canada has just gone all in on this fully kind of right platform, really going, just diving headlong into this. They've got people running in this current election that are like QAnon conspiracy theory YouTubers. There's a guy running in Atlantic Canada for a provincial, for like a, to be a

member of parliament, who's known as Canada's red pill. And he's like, if you look at the, if you look at his YouTube page, it's like the same design aesthetic of that guy that sent all those pipe bombs to Democratic officials a couple of months ago. How many of them are former strippers? That I do not know. But my, my conspiracy, my conspiracy theory about this actually, that this has all been kind of a false flag and that really this whole thing has been a way for the Conservative movement to openly court these extremist groups, these psychotic conspiracy theorists and racists, while keeping like a degree of separation and keeping that sort of degree of respectability politics there. But it has been a way definitely to mainstream really extreme

right wing ideas, really fascist ideas. And it's, it's working very well. I mean, we've got, we're going to have a leadership debate with Bernier to like, even despite the objections of a lot of activists and people that don't want them to, to don't want to give this guy a fucking platform. So if that, I mean, their whole strategy is working really well, I don't know how many seats the PPC is going to win in this coming election. But it has been pulling at 3%. Right. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's still technically a fringe group, but they get a ton of media coverage. And a lot of these extremist ideas that I think even a couple of years ago would have been completely like verboten and to talk about in sort of polite society have now been kind of completely mainstreamed.

Yeah. Well, I think one of the things that like this should show us is that there, I think there are still quite a few people in the UK and US who think that if Trump had just been beaten in that primary, or if Brexit, the 2016 referendum had just gone the other way, or whatever, that they could have put the far right extremism genie back in the bottle. And I think the fact that the Maxime Bernier ran for this leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada and lost and then just formed his own party that kept the far right genie sort of pumping out like pumping out in the media shows that like, no, this genie is here. You can't just beat it electorally once and then it's gone. It's a much larger thing.

Well, I also want to point out that there's this tendency and I know Americans have it or had it, and I believe Canadians have it too. I'm reminded of a conversation I had with a friend who's Canadian, but who grew up in Israel and then moved to Canada as a teenager. She was freaked out when Donald Trump seemed to be making headway in the primary. She was living in New York at the time. And the point that she made was that Donald Trump didn't seem that different in his approach, not necessarily in his personality, but in his political approach to Benjamin Netanyahu. And the point was when Trump, when there was an election in Israel in early 2016, so basically before Trump won, obviously, before the Brexit referendum, and people in the US were

commenting like, wow, Netanyahu went full racist. That would never fly in America. He was doing robocalls about like the Muslim Obama is telling you to go, telling the Arabs to all go vote for joint lists. It was a full racist campaign, but Americans believed, hey, we're better than that. That wouldn't fly. That could never happen. And then Trump did any one. And I believe there's a similar problem here in the sense that it's not that Israel was the standard bear for this, because I think it happens in a lot of places. You look at how Russia has degenerated under Putin. You look at places like Hungary that were nominally more liberal Democrat in a sense, or liberal and democratic, that have become more authoritarian. But I think that there is this

tendency amongst a lot of people to say, this couldn't happen to us because our political system or our politics or our sort of national unity is stronger than ex-place. But Canada and the United States are pretty similar, barring a couple of key differences. And so the idea that you can't have fascists, you can't have fascism or like fascism light, when you already have a lot of far right figures in America who are from Canada, like clearly that thought process is there, including that there's some traction. You've been the racist thought leaders for the alt-right, definitely. Think for answers. So to me, in a sense, that's one of the things that concerns me. And I'm interested in what you think about this, Rob, that I feel like the problem,

a problem perhaps, is that there are people who are a little bit complacent about the fact that this stuff is more popular than you're going to assume from the way that, let's say, people on TV and people in the public eye will treat it. Absolutely. And I think when I was talking about sort of Trudeau's carefully curated marketing campaign, it's not just about him, it's about Canada as well. I think there's a lot of people around the world in the U.S. and elsewhere, but also a lot of people in Canada who really believe this idea that Canada is this kind of like post-racial, socialist utopia, where we don't have these issues like that. And that's what I think something that's really been exposed, both with the kind of like influx in America of these

like Canadian alt-right people that have been helping to lead that movement. And also what we've seen a lot over the last year or so in this country with the PPC and with the reaction to NDP leader, Jugmeet Singh, who was the first person of color to ever lead a federal party in this country. So people are actually... Actually, that's just Trudeau still. Of course. Sorry. How could the Prime Minister be a racist when he has on multiple occasions tried to make himself black? Sorry, sorry. I did a bit on my show when this came out that people were overreacting. Really, it was just an act of radical empathy. That was the whole black thing. How are you supposed to understand what these other cultures go through unless you...

But in any case, that is, I think, has been a rude awakening for a lot of people in this country and elsewhere to realize they're like, oh, actually, we're not... It's so easy to think when we're just so close to the United States, people are very, very willing to just look at the absolute shit show that's constantly going on down there and say, we're so much better than that. And these problems of racial division and class inequality that just doesn't exist here to the same extent. And people have really convinced themselves of this. And I think up until quite recently, I kind of count myself as one of these people, too. But I think that's something that a lot of people are starting to realize is that, oh, we're actually not better. And we do have a lot

of the same issues. So to look at how some of these are getting cashed out, I actually have assembled what I think, what I believe to be the People's Party of Canada platform from a couple of different sources. So we're going to read out some of their policies now. No, this does not count as platforming them. For reasons. So the People's Party is the only one that will reduce immigration to a sustainable level from 350,000 per year to a maximum of 150,000 and close the border to false refugees. What? Yes, yes. Yes, we all know that. Yeah. So I will say that this is a thing with insane British right wing people who are always convinced that everyone who's a refugee is actually lying. Like, you'll see this a lot. So no surprise that Canada does this, too. It's

like, oh, that person's not, couldn't possibly be a refugee. I just imagined them holding a phone and driving a Mercedes. It's another one of his mischievous Saracens that keeps selling me different types of soupy beverages. This isn't a real refugee. This turban comes right off. And sorry, before you go on, too, I think this is something also to point out about Trudeau when I'm talking about language. This has been another big thing as well, because we've seen Trump kind of overly relying these racist tropes. You had the weekend of the Muslim ban. Trudeau kind of put out this now somewhat infamous Instagram post where he said, oh, everyone's welcome here. And really kind of made this this specific contrast to Trump's policies. Nothing actually about our immigration

system changed in that time. He didn't actually like make any effort to help any of the people that were being affected there. He didn't. I mean, people have been have been activists have been have been really working to try and get him to close the or to cancel the safe third country agreement that would like allow refugees to pass through the United States and land in Canada. But because of the agreement and because the United States is technically like a safe country, even though we can all clearly see that it's not given the, you know, fucking concentration camps that are now being built along along the southern United States border. So that's another incident where Trudeau has been has used this progressive language about refugees, but we've not treated

refugees any differently. And I think that's another huge element of hypocrisy and what he's what he's done. But sorry, you can go I interrupt as you can go on with the PPC platform. No, of course, not at all. But it's like, I think when we look at this, this is why something like the PPC is such a dangerous political force, because you know that this isn't marketing, this is what they want to do. Like there is probably going to be there will probably be very few broken promises in terms of the cruelty that they're going to be able to inflict. Like if they say, we're going to be cruel, they're not going to be like Trudeau and be like, oh, well, we didn't find enough budget for all of that for the shock callers for the

refugees that were coming over. Sorry, everybody. Like no, they'll because the people who vote for the PPC would accept higher taxes only to torture people that they don't like. In fact, and so in fact, here's the other thing, the PPC will end official multiculturalism, which I thought was just like recognition that there are that there are two cultures and two nations in Canada. And the constant glorification of diversity will reject political correctness. We're not afraid to oppose radical Islam and will protect free speech. So I guess Brendan O'Neill got into writing the platform. So when you say oppose multiculturalism, are they saying we refuse to give the French language parody or they say we hate brown people? I think they mean the brown people thing. Yeah,

because I mean, but like official multiculturalism and Rob, you can correct me if I'm wrong. Like that's derived from Canada having like two foundational cultures from its European settler colonial past, right? Yeah, that's just pure coded language. Like it's all just about, you know, keeping the keeping the brown people out of the country when they talk about it. Yes, originally, it's about the language separation, but that's no when they talk about it. That's certainly not what they're referring to. That's what I figured. Yeah, because I mean, that seems to me like like the very classic right wing sort of thing where they can if pressed on it by enough people, they can be like, Oh, we don't mean that. We just mean we want English to be supreme. We

just like Quebec because we fucking hate Quebec. Here's the weird thing. Also, they're like, we're not going to be afraid to oppose Islam. And it's like Justin Trudeau is literally helping bomb Yemen into dust. Like Justin Trudeau has done more to hurt more Muslim people than anyone from the PPC ever has. Like they dream of his ability to hurt and to destroy the lives of Muslim people. Damn, the Chad Trudeau versus the Virgin, Michel Barnier. Michel Barnier, a different dude, to be fair. Different guy. Very different dude. Thinking about too many guys. And also, Monsieur Garnier, also a different guy. Michel Barnier also causes a lot of suffering

for a lot of brown people, though, with the EU Southern border policy. Liberalism is not good, folks. So a question that I have is obviously like Jake Meatsing is head of the NDP, right? Yes. And they're kind of like the main left wing party in Canada. In theory, yes. In theory. From what I've seen, Jake Meatsing also seems to be a master of marketing in a particular way. And he's got a very big, at least diasporic fan base. How does he kind of... Well, number one, how is he being received in Canada? Because I know in Vancouver, which is where my family are, like the NDP, I think, are at least where they are. The NDP is kind of the ruling party there.

But how is he being received there? And how does he fit in in this context of like having a party that basically opposes his existence, let alone his kind of leadership of a Canadian national party? Well, it's been kind of interesting because... So he started this election at a really significant kind of polling deficit. And a lot of that has to do... This is something that I complain about pretty much constantly on my podcast. How the NDP in general and also since he assumed leadership has just been really unwilling for whatever reason to really position themselves as like a legitimate alternative and to flank the Liberals on the left and really point out the ways that the Liberals have been failing people and the way that they're kind of rejecting

this unending liberal conservative hegemony. I think as this campaign has started and people are seeing him talk, and he's a really likeable guy, and I think he's much more genuine than Trudeau is. Definitely has that kind of marketing campaign element, but I don't think he's full of shit to the same extent that Trudeau is. He's genuine, he's likeable, he can talk about issues of racism and multiculturalism, but it doesn't seem like it's just empty words because he's got a story behind it and he's got actual feelings behind it. And so I like Jagmeet Singh a lot and I think he is really likeable and charismatic, but I don't think in general the NDP has done enough to really put forth a really kind of different vision for what they could do if they

were leading the government. There's some stuff in their platform that's pretty good, but to me there's still an element, there's kind of a NDP establishment that really doesn't want the party to be anything other than like liberal party light basically. And you have plenty of activists that really want to push them into that like really bold kind of progressive direction, really kind of return to the social democratic roots. And there's certainly there's activists in the NDP and members of parliament in the NDP that are quite good, but overall it's just they've been very directionless and they've never really been able to fully take that step into that direction. So I don't think the problem is really Singh. I think he's a likable guy and he's

especially in the Trump era, I think it's a really powerful image to have a person of color be the leader of the party, especially like a religious minority like that. So you cut out for a few seconds there, but I assume you were talking about Justin Trudeau. Yeah, sorry, I keep on doing Justin Trudeau erasure. I apologize. My follow-up question is like are the candidates just waiting for like the Drake touch? Or is there like an equivalent to any of the candidates of that young? Is there an equivalent to the Drake curse? Because you know like the Drake curse, like whenever like he watched like basketball games, the team would lose. Although his team did win the NDP championship this year, so maybe that broke the Drake curse

forever. Yeah. Oh, maybe. Much to my delight. Then there's Drake's drum. Oh, that's a different thing. No, he gets to be NBA commissioner. So here's some more of the policies and then we'll go into the national post thing. So the PPC opposes all climate alarmism and will not increase taxes or regulation to fight global warming in any way. The PPC is going to ensure that we all die soon. I got not like the other part of the parties where we could have trapping us in sort of similar prison of immortality. But we'll get to live really cool lives and like the smog that like basically will encompass our existence will make like really good Instagram pictures. So we won't really need filters. Oh, yeah. We're always, we're going to have that acid

rain look. It's going to be great. Well, it's actually, I mean, obviously this isn't something you should do. But I mean, isn't actually Canada one of like one of the only countries on earth that will become more habitable as a result of climate change? I think. Yeah. So why would the PPC fight it? Well, exactly. Because you know, other people live in other places, but they're not Canadian. So also maybe it's woke because once our skin all melts off, there will be no more racism, right? We'll all look the exact same. Imagine all the people. And that's the thing, right? Like they want to end multiculturalism by encouraging global warming to melt all our skin off. So we don't have to worry about all these grievance studies. I don't see what everyone's

complaining about. This seems okay to me. In fact, I also saw there's also a post a billboard put up by by Maxime Bernier. I just saw that says a vote for the PPC is a vote against antifa. So it's against antifascism. So it's fa. It's it's fa. No, no, that's that's that's a national soup. Sorry, they wouldn't like that. No, no, that's multiculturalism. It's for noodle, noodle crusties, the ancient, the old British dish we're going to get back. You know, the PPC feels like to me, there's a bar in Toronto called the Queen and Beaver Public House, one of the world's worst named businesses. Noodle, noodle crusties is what I call my online directory of Tory Dickpicks. I thought that was just the cabinet makers. No, it's just soams. And it's just it's this,

there's there seems to just be this desire, I guess, to to just do a do a sort of slightly Canadianized carbon copy of just all the other things we see out in the world. And we do seem to really just we really do love to like grab all of the anti antifa, anti grievance study stuff and package it up in our own polite way. In many ways, blackface Trudeau is just a carbon copy of regular Trudeau. In many ways. So here's some more provinces should have the autonomy to experiment with their health care systems and solve our long waiting lists for surgery. So private experiments. Yeah. So, you know, if we try, oh, this guy, this guy's kidneys don't work. And this other guy's heart doesn't work. So what if we sewed them together out of you, British human sentiment?

Canada has actually managed to hire a lot of very creative doctors from Argentina. Oh, yes. Dr. Jose Mengele. Yeah. And but also like this is just this is this is just code for privatization, basically, right? Where it's like, oh, we want to be able to sell off this, you know, surgery to Nestle presents the emergency room. Yeah, absolutely. And the next one is use Article 92 of our Constitution to ensure pipelines all get built. So we're going to put a pipeline from every oil deposit to every house. All of Canada will be pipelines. It'll be Mario's heaven. Yeah. It was weird. It was also Jay-Z's 90 second problem. Also, we will reduce Canada's presence and corrupt UN institutions to a minimum. Again,

the UN is one of UN is one of those institutions that I hate makes me defend it because the world's worst people are always attacking it. The UN is ridiculously corrupt by and large. It is pretty bad for most countries, but the fact that he wants to withdraw from it so he can what I don't know, what do crimes against humanity with less oversight? It's not like do less crimes against humanity, is it? It's not for that reason. It's the same thing with like the like the the lexical about leaving the European Union. Oh, well, if we leave the European Union, we could be more socialist. Yeah. Theoretically, but in reality, what we could more likely be is a lot more fascist. And the final one is defund the CBC. So I don't know.

Call me book club. Defund. Oh, no. I used to use the CBC to be able to watch four to six episodes of The Simpsons a day when I was in school. And so I'm very worried about it getting defunded. I like how you turned out. I don't know, man. Like the CBC has got... Rob, what do you think about defunding the CBC? Well, this has been... This is like a right wing trope that we've seen play out all over too, where I mean, conservatives have convinced themselves that the CBC are like publicly funded broadcaster. Is this like communist, you know, far left or liberal, which they think is the same thing,

for some reason. They think it's just this like... Well, why did it stand for communist broadcasting communism? I wish it did. But so what the result has been is that the CBC is like bent over backwards to try and like hire conservatives and appear to be more balanced. And it's this exact same kind of work the ref strategy that conservatives have used very, very successfully in the United States. So, but that's the same thing. They've kind of convinced themselves that it's this kind of subversive like pirate socialist radio outlet when really it's just completely like kind of like very, very middling liberal centrist news organization that has really tried to appear

balanced as much as possible. They just hate George Storm... Is it George Storm Bropoulos? Trombolopoulos, yeah. That's it. Right. They just hate him because they can't pronounce his last name. And like, I sympathize with that. And multiculturalism. I can't pronounce his name. I figure they're just mad at John Gomeshi because his band that he was in before he got on CBC sucked so bad. There's like, we're gonna get revenge by ending you and your employer.

Now they like John Gomeshi though, because he's all about classical liberal values when it comes to harassing women in the workplace. I was gonna say, John Gomeshi basically, his only path to prominence again is to fight against me too, so they love him. Yeah, of course. That's the only multiculturalism they like is that the enemy of the enemy is my friend, but against the me too movement because these are the world's worst people. So, here's the last thing I want to talk about about the PPC, which is about how the media are treating them. And Rob, you kind of prefigured that earlier,

where you said the CBC has been scrambling to the right to try to remain balanced by just basically handing over hundreds of millions of dollars, taking out a reverse mortgage to give to the wallet inspector essentially. And this is from an editorial in the Toronto Star. And this is from the, I can't remember who the editor of the Toronto Star is, but he was basically justifying his decision to interview Bernier as a serious politician, even though he's polling on 3%. Andrew Phillips, that's what his name is. And so, I've just got what he's written here. As a journalist, Phillips writes, I've interviewed, quote unquote, platformed hundreds, maybe thousands of people in dozens

of countries, and many of them were appalling. They included murderers and terrorists, an IRA hitman in Belfast who wasn't shy about describing his killings, politicians in generals who were later found guilty of carrying out genocide in Bosnia, and neo-Nazis in Germany and the politicians who fronted for them. And it's like, yeah, awesome, cool. You have many cool friends. I'm jealous. But also, were you interviewing literal neo-Nazis in Germany as a German newspaper where those Nazis were running for government? Yeah, exactly. Like, oh, interesting, you ran the campaign of the IRA hitman in Belfast to run against the Sinn Féin candidate. This is either, again, Andrew Phillips is transparently moronic or just wanting to

sell papers. What do you think it is? I'm not sure. I don't want to shit on the star too much, because the star does actually do a lot of quite decent journalism, and there are plenty of people that are quite good that work there. Oh, they protested, didn't they? Many of the journalists protested the inclusion. So it's not the star that's stupid, it's Phillips that's stupid. Yeah, definitely. And this is just this liberal bullshit that the right has taken advantage of all over the world, whether it's here or the United States. And I think what really frustrates me about it is that this has never extended in the other direction. Another example of what just happened here was a few weeks ago, we had the Globe and Mail,

the Toronto Globe and Mail, which is like the paper of record, and the editor of the Globe and Mail actually reached out to this guy, Ezra Levant, who's this far right demagogue. I'd mentioned Rebel Media earlier. He created Rebel Media, and he's really just an absolute scumbag racist. And they reached out to him to offer him an op-ed space to talk about journalism, how journalistic freedom is so important, and how the liberals don't like him because he asks prickly questions, whereas actual words. And not because he deliberately spreads misinformation in the wake of incel terrorist attacks and stuff. But it's the same kind of principle, right? Where it's like, well, we're not platforming these people, but we have to give them a chance

to say what their ideas are so reasonable people can then decide whether it's good or bad. And we kind of can't make that decision because that wouldn't be what journalism is. And this idea has just been pervasive all throughout journalism. It's like this rot, infecting journalism all throughout the world that keeps on providing these people with huge platforms to legitimize their ideas. And like I was saying before, it's never extended in the opposite direction. The Globe and Mail is not offering an op-ed space to communists and anyone further left than the NDP. It only ever extends in one direction. And when that keeps happening, it's this constant shifting of the Overton window where acceptable discourse just keeps getting pushed further

and further to the right. And then you have situations like what we have now with this like party openly talking about like psychotic QAnon conspiracy theories are now being presented as this like legitimate political party. And I think both of these journal like the editor of the star and the Globe and Mail have both contributed to that with this kind of bullshit liberal got to hear both sides idea. And this is happening all over the world. The right is so good at taking advantage of it. And you just you you start to wonder like when people are going to figure out what the game is, but it just never seems to happen. Yeah, I mean, we're having cyborg Hitler on here next week.

Well, that's cool. I'm sorry. I'd like the like the bourgeois capitalist pig. I am actually late for it for a dinner engagement. I'm a socialist and yet I spend money. So I'm going to have to post out, but Rob, it was really nice to meet you. Same with you. Yeah, so just but further as to what you were saying, Rob, right, where it's like if I read from this little more, I can see what what Phillips has said is he said, we could decide to not platform Bernier. And you can hear the scare quotes around that. I suppose that would mean not inviting him to speak to the editorial board, not having

reporters and columnist interview him and presumably not participating in any debate where he played a role. Effectively boycotting him, in other words, because we disapprove of his ideology. And you know what? The entire article could have been that paragraph. And then you just don't platform him and it'd be like, yep, that's correct. Thank you. You got it right. Hole in one. Hole in one, Mr. Phillips. But what that shows to me is right, like that they've learned nothing from the last four years, because what they say is, oh, well, that would get us applause for taking such a stand. But my bet is that a lot more people would quite rightly see it as a failure to live up to our basic journalistic duty of

reporting fearlessly. But all he's doing is he's reporting in fear of people calling him left wing biased. Yeah. And it's irresponsible in the end because like it's not just that, you know, we don't want to hear what Bernier has to say because we're offended by his ideas or because of our political correctness, but that these ideas represent an actual danger to marginalize groups in this country, to immigrants and to refugees and things like this. So it's not like, you know, it's not just this situation of, oh, you know, we're so our precious sensibilities are offended by his, you know, rough language or anything like that. The reason that, you know, activists and people on the left don't want to give this guy a platform is because these ideas are dangerous

to people that are marginalized in this society. And that's just what these journalists never seem to understand. They always think because they take on board these criticisms from people like Bernier, and they want it, they want so desperately to prove that they're not this kind of like, you know, left wing caricature that they get made out to be. But then they ended up just like doing exactly like doing basically free advertising for these ideas. I think it's also because in the past few years, like the far right Canadian infrastructure is like really built up. So you have like things like rebel media. You have like the guys like Stefan Mullenew and like Lauren Southern and like, you know, a disproportionate number of like these far right

groups. I guess like even Steven Crowder kind of classifies as one of them. And, you know, over the past kind of few months, Bernier's like videos have kind of filled my, not really filled my YouTube page, but you've seen them around. And that's because he's kind of been landing these long, long form interviews with YouTube stars, where he's able to be platform for like long periods of time and basically position himself out. Yeah, just like positioning, positioning amount to be like this, you know, this kind of reasonable libertarian. And I think for like people who understand this ecosystem, the kind of online infrastructure and how it works, like all of this is like super obvious, right? Like we can talk about this. But what I found kind

of, and you know, how, you know, working in like mainstream media environments is that you have editors who just like don't, unless news people who just don't understand this infrastructure. So for them, it's kind of like, well, how can he be like a radical if he's got this huge fan based online? And like, he just says that he's like, you know, a classical liberal who just wants people to kind of live free from the government. Like, you know, where, where do you see the whistle? You know, where do you see kind of the dog whistling there? And, you know, that's not to kind of say that this is something kind of uniquely Canadian. Like this is something that we're seeing everywhere, including in this, including in like the United Kingdom, right?

But it, you know, it goes to show just back to the point that like, yeah, no one has learned anything, but the people who are kind of like these vanguards of the media and people who, and media organizations that actually still have power, like newspapers still have influence, but they still kind of want to hold on to this idea of being like neutral arbiters where, you know, they can expose darkness and, you know, the kind of good stuff will just like float to the top automatically when that like is far from the case. It was definitely not the case back in 2000 and like 15, 16, definitely, definitely not the case now. But I think, you know, to kind of unfold for like established newspaper editors to understand that they would have to really rethink

how their entire like media model works. And Hussein, that would be hard work. So and work is like work sucks. That's our position. Work sucks. I thought you were anti-work. But also I think, and just to jump onto that with one other thing too, is that I think for the decision makers, this sort of like, it becomes a kind of semantic debate. It becomes, you know, one talent style of rhetoric versus another, because those people are never from the communities that are affected. And that's the thing that I think that drives me crazy, is just the extent to which invariably it's like, oh, but, but racists might not like us and they might not believe this is like, you know, the Athenian forum when it's like, yes, but these

people are specifically calling to deport or to do, you know, to dehumanize other citizens of this country that they don't like, which to be fair happened frequently in Athens. Oh yeah. The Athenian forum was never, it was always like this. But I noticed we're getting pretty close to time. So Rob, any, any final thoughts? I think I pretty much got, got everything out there that I wanted to, but I appreciate having, being able to come on the show is a pleasure. Thanks for having me. Amazing. So if I was to have a final thought, it would just be that it'll be different this time. Yeah. For sure. The same thing that happened everywhere else where the mainstream media and liberal media have dealt with these kinds of groups running the same playbook. I'm

pretty sure it'll be different this time because Canada is different for reasons that we can't articulate right now. Okay. And actually, my, my actual final thought is that as much as these liberal people, like liberals in the media that's really tried to brand over backwards to show how reasonable they are and prove to these, these right wing guys that they're not this character that they've made it out to be, as much as they ever tried to do that, they will never earn their respect. They will never get on their side. And I have no doubt that once the fascists do seize power in this country, that they won't, they won't actually be held up to these kind of rigid journalistic principles when it comes to free speech. And people will in fact be getting

deplatformed. And so I think it would be nice if people in the media that in positions of power to, to make these decisions could start to like come to this realization that like, oh, these people aren't our friends. They're actually like working against us. They're trying to undermine us. And maybe it's bad for us to help them do that. But I don't know. This is why I'm not like a big serious media person. So I don't know. This is why none of us are big serious media people. It only now falls to me, I think, to say, Rob, thank you so much for coming on the show. It's been a pleasure to have you here. The pleasure is mine. And also to say, and to say to all you listening, thank you all so much for listening. And Rob, I want to give you an opportunity to

plug your show too. Yes. Yes. Okay. The podcast is 49th Parahel, which is available on SoundCloud and all the podcast apps. I cover a lot of the stuff that we talked about today. It's kind of a focus on Canadian politics, but I've done episodes on the UK and I talk a lot about, you know, Trump shit and whatever is kind of interesting to me that week. So you can check that out there. It's on Patreon. You can find me on Twitter.com at Rob Rousseau. And that's all that's my stuff. That's all my stuff. So Australian Trash Future listeners, clear off. Nothing for you there. I have covered the Australian election as well. So just kidding. Australian listeners, please do listen to Rob's show. Also, all our listeners, thank you. Thank you so much again

for continuing to listen to our show. You can find second episodes every week on Patreon, five bucks a month. You know the deal. I was going to say Milo had to depart, but Milo's got another smoke comedy at the Sekford Arms Pub in Farringdon on the 9th of October at 8pm. Friend of the show and longtime regular Olga Koch will be there among others. So come to that show, there'll be a link in the show notes where you can purchase tickets. Also, Riley has been continually forgetting to say this, but our theme song is Here We Go by Jin Sang, who very, very graciously gifted it to us on the terms that we plug his music and we failed to do that for like a year. So please go listen to Jin Sang's Here We Go on Spotify. It's a great tune.

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