Triforce! - 67: A Deep Dive | Triforce #342

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

Triforce! Episode 342! Lewis is on a sunny christmas holiday and we argue between Audio Books vs Physical Books, Pyrion compiles an in depth document on the history of the 67 meme and Sips dressed up as Kim Kardashian. Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pickax Hello everyone Welcome to the TriForce I'm on holiday That's why it sounds weird Where in the world is Louis Brindley I'm on the beautiful island of Grand Canaria.

Wow. Who's mom have you brought with you this time? I was chatting to my mom last night because she's she recommended this hotel

to me. She's honestly more traveled than I am. Well, she's got more time, you know, had more experience, right? Yeah.

Whoa, no, what, I wasn't gonna put it like that. How many jingle jams has she organized? Well, well, you know, by proxy,

you know, to the mom's inherit the sins of the child. How could they? How could they? I don't think they Is it like, well, is she technically responsible, you know? No.

You can give her credit. Like you were, let me say you were like, you're at the VMAs or something and you're picking up your award for the best breakout artist. And you say, I want to thank God. But above all, I want to say thanks to my mom for being there and raising me and getting through hard times and making me the man I am today. That's what you would say. And then it would cut to her in the crowd, cheeks wet with tears, applauding.

My boy. That is when you thank you. thank her. Okay. Dads are just fucking no one gives a shit. The only reason you can thank dads is if you're, you know, an athlete and your dad was the pain in the ass who drove you to practice every day as a kid, shouted at you for fucking up and made you this horrible person.

Maybe if your mom left or passed away when you were younger, the dad would get a thanks, but otherwise not, not too much. I feel like dads of supportive are not as supportive. They're more, they'll drive kids. Yeah. as in literally drive them, but not, you know, well, actually maybe figuratively drive them, I should say. Yeah, they will sort of push them by yelling at them.

But a lot of those people end up hating their dads. Like, I don't think the Williams sisters are particularly fond of their dad, are they? I don't know. I thought he was kind of a twat. I mean, Michael Jackson's dad, Joe Jackson was an absolute cunt. Yeah, yeah, I don't think Michael Jackson liked his dad at all. But that band was super tight because of him. So it's like, you know.

Yeah, it's a weird one. Yeah, I'm trying to think, is there any, are there, I guess, what Tiger Woods's dad, I think Tiger Woods and his dad got along really well or maybe I'm wrong about that. I think anyone that's that good from a young age at something has either been encouraged and has a really natural attitude for it and loves it or they just had a parent behind them cracking the whip and making them, yeah, crack in the whip. Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? I don't know, like some people, you see occasionally you see people saying like, oh, I got this

text for my dad or whatever and it seems like you know the dad like sent something very thoughtful or whatever and you think like you know that person seems to have a really good relationship with their dad right or whatever but uh they they seem few and far between like a lot of most people are just like oh my dad yeah you know it's weird isn't it i wonder if it's like i'm always interested in this stuff as a as a childless man you know yeah no but like uh you know if you watch like nature documentaries and stuff like i was watching a nature documentary a while back and there was a there was tigers and tigers are very territorial to the point where like even when they're even when their cubs get older they're like they got to go because like this is my my territory sort of thing but the

the mom tends to just raise the cubs um but then has to be wary of the the dad who comes sniffing around occasionally but like they're not they're not like a family unit you know right the dad will just sort of like help make babies and then off he goes to do it do that again or you know much much of nature is about prows around getting rid of the young as in you don't want that to hang around a so they're not dependent on you yeah because you want that hey get the fuck out of here because that's how you spread yeah i mean we have this big so like layer of society and civilization that sort of um you know it makes us makes us very different to to annals, but there's got to be some bits and pieces way down, like, inside our, are sort of,

you know, instinctive parts or, like, are very, you know, pre-civilization bits where some of that's true, because some men do act like that, right? Yeah, yeah, for sure. In fact. Sometimes you see, like, an animal give birth, and they're, like, kind of like, what the fuck just came out of me? Yeah. Yeah.

They want so little to do with their offspring that they're like, Jesus. Living thing, can I eat that? No, they'll sort of carry on. But yeah, it's weird. I was going to say, I feel like the urge that we have as human beings to, I just want to get away, I don't want to live with my parents anymore, I want that freedom is so ingrained into our brains. It's not a societal pressure.

I think it's a really innate human aspect that you want to get out and you want that distance. And that is why we cover the planet is because, you know, we spread out. we didn't just all hang out in the first old question forever. I see. We're running away from our responsibilities. That's how we spread across the world to like Siberian stuff. We're running towards independence would be another way.

People are like, oh my God, I'm going to have to walk across this ice flow for like 17 weeks. Billions of people constantly rediscovering themselves. But it's necessary to get away from my mother-in-law. Yeah. I mean, they're literally looking behind them and they're seeing their in-laws. And they're looking ahead. Followed them across to fucking America. And they're looking at 2,000 miles of ice sheet and tundra.

And they're like, it's better than staying at home. Like, that is humanity right there. I guess we're going to try and get on a small boat across to Australia. So you're saying like the places that we last got found, you know, which I think is the sort of Pacific Islands, that is like the ultimate, those people wanted to get away from their responsibility. So much. So much.

Some of them made it so far north. in their bid to get away as well, you know? Yeah, they whittled a boat. Yeah, that's it. They didn't have the industry to form some ironclad and fucking go. They literally whittled a boat and just went and just hoped they hit an island in the Pacific. That's how urgent it is to get away from your parents and in-laws, apparently. I'm always fascinated about what genetic stuff passes on and what's instinctive and what's taught.

You know, because I think we, I'm sure I've talked about it here before, but there was that Hungarian guy who basically decided that he was going to teach his daughters to be chess grandmasters. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then that was really interesting. And the other thing I always think is, as a Brit who is still in Britain, given the empire that we used to have, you know, I'm one of the ones that stayed at home, right? I was the cow.

I was the one who was like, ah, it's not for me. Yeah. Well, you would have not have gone off to India or or exploring Africa. Yeah, it's not for me. I mean, in this book actually, It's one of the holiday books I've got, which is one of the sort of books of the year. It's called The Names.

I noticed it was like number one in the category of parenting on Amazon. I don't really think, I think that's just sort of, it's not only categorized because it's not actually a parenting book. But it's a book about a woman who names her, has to name her child. And she, and it basically explores like three different realities where the child is named something different and how that impacts his life and her life and the lives of people around. What are the three names? Well, the names, I could spoil that because it's not a big one. It's like basically immediately. But the first, the name, the first name is Gordon, which is her husband's name and is his dad's name.

I mean, it's like, you know, really important to the husband that the son be named Gordon, but she kind of hates the name Gordon. So she wants to call him Julian, which is the name that she like means like Skyfather or something. You know, it's got some meaning to her. And, you know, she feels like she just, anyway. And then the third name is her other child, her daughter, her nine-year-old daughter, Maya, wants to name the baby bear. Right.

And so that's like the third option, right? Which is a little bit of a kind of... A very different life. It's like a bit woke, maybe. It's, yeah. I don't think, again, every name has connotations, right, for everyone. And it's hard because, you know, sometimes you're like, oh, I love the name.

you know Anthony or whatever it's like but oh I don't because Anthony was this dick I knew in or this guy I worked for or you know something else right everyone's got different story associated with different names and so um if you're gonna say settling on names is is a bit of a weird one like some it's sometimes it takes a little while like like with my son it took us a little while to sort of come around to the the name that we we both agreed on kind of thing but like there was there was loads of like discards you know like there's tons of tons of names and uh and then with my second daughter as well there was there was loads of uming and owing because you don't want to have like a first name that rhymes like with your last name either right like it it can sound like

a bit silly so like we were we were we were a bit like trying to avoid that but then trying to find something well especially with the multiple different ways your name can be pronounced i'm sure you know Yeah, true. It's going to be, it's a minefield, honestly. And I think nominative determinism is a thing. And but then again, like, you know, people do change their names. More and more nowadays, it's just totally fine. And I think also people end up coming up with some weird nickname for their kid that isn't quite their name anyway.

We didn't want to name my son, Guy, because that would have been really weird. You know, guy loves ass, guy, guy love ass or, you know, like, man. Man, dude. Not that you would ever make. You wouldn't really name your son, man or dude, but I, you might name him guys. Yeah. Yeah. I.

It's his. Isaac. I love ass. Isabel ringing. Looking for an al-alcoholic. Is there a Mr. Caholic in the house? Yeah. You'll be careful.

I guess, yeah. So, it's called the names by Florence Gnapp, Knapp. Yeah. And I don't know, I'm enjoying it so far. It's fine. Yeah. I just, I don't know, naming is, and that sort of thing is something interesting. I love that you have some kind of alternate reality idea of holiday book.

Of exploring. That's the one, yeah. Yeah. I like to think of you with like a little collection of holiday books bound together, like, with a string, you know, like inside your, inside your little Mr. Bean suitcase, you know, you've got. like one pair of pants in there, a little pack of books, you've got like a, you emptied out half the toothpaste so that it would fit in to your, in your suitcase and stuff. I don't, I don't normally read physical books, though, right? I'm not used to having a physical book for sure.

I'm definitely more of a audio book or Kindle or like, I can't do, I cannot do, I can't do audio books. I don't want to be there around other people with my headphones on listening to a book. And honestly, if I just have to lie there and listen, it's like, I feel like I'm not active in a weird way. I'm not actively engaged with. And quite often, if I'm reading a book, I will go back and read a bit if I thought it was really well written. I'll be like, oh man, that was such a beautiful, like, paragraph or whatever. Oh, that's because you're, I can't do that with. I'm not a writer. I'm not a writer. No,

I'm not a writer. I'm a writer. I'm not even a writer. You've written, you're a published author. Yeah, you're a published author. I'm not a published. I'm not a published. Me and Lewis are published. I think you do have a different take on it. I think, you know, I do listen to audiobooks just while I'm doing a walk or washing up or something. Have you read any Hillary Mantell? She's one of my favorite authors. She did Wolf Hall, which they did a great job with the TV series.

Her writing, her writing, if you could look at a page and pick a sentence or a paragraph, it is beautiful. There is so much beauty in the way she writes. And I couldn't stand having it boiled down to a performance, which is what an audiobook is, rather than a transcript. Like, what I like about a book is, it's your own voice, it's your own internal monologue that is taking the words on the page and transform them into something in your imagination. Whereas an audiobook is like a film adaptation or an audio adaptation because you've got the performance of the person reading the audiobook that takes it out. Because for me, it was written. It wasn't read. someone wrote this and I should read it.

I shouldn't listen to it. But I also understand that if I was doing a job where I just wanted to have something to listen to, I would be all over audiobooks. But I mean, I listen to podcasts when I have nothing else to do, like if I'm driving or I'm traveling somewhere on the train. I know it's going to be a while. I will listen to things. You don't read transcripts of podcasts.

No. But at home, I will never. I very rarely lie around reading. It's a shame. I used to read. I'm more likely to just listen to music, like no matter where I'm. Yeah. If I'm going to listen to something or have something on it, normally would be music. But yeah, podcasts, I don't, I've not, I've not listened to like many podcasts. I would listen to Adam Buxton a bit, but more so because like sometimes he has like really good guests on.

But like I, like I wouldn't, I don't listen to like, I definitely skip some, you know, like if it's, if it's, if it's not somebody that I care to to listen to or whatever. Or you've ever heard of. Or that I've ever heard of, which is, I mean, probably the wrong way. to do it because like this is a way to find out um you know like i don't know i feel i feel i feel very similar about that podcast um yeah but sometimes the people do you think oh i'm sure this would be great and actually that person was pretty boring and sometimes that happens to yeah it says it's it depends i don't know like i get where you coming from pflex for sure but i think actually a lot of books aren't written very well um and in in this case i think you know book a prize winning authors, sure, read their book.

But a lot of them, probably you can just get away with the audio book version. The book, what is it called, Dungeon Crawler Carl, very badly written. I think it's an audio book, that's funny. Very bad book. Very terrible. Did you hear the, did you see the script, the speech that he gave the other day, that Arch Bell and Donald Trump? Did you see it?

His Christmas address. Oh, no, I didn't see that. I saw what he wrote about Rob Reiner, which was like that. Right, that was appalling. So this is his Christmas address, right? This address from the podium there, I presume it's in the Oval Office or one of those other places around there. Got the American flag behind him. Christmas trees reads everything.

This is his Christmas address to the nation. Good evening, America. 11 months ago, I inherited a mess. Like, that's how he opens the fucking speech. He can't see. He's like... He just has a pop at Biden and the Democrats for ages, says everything is great. It's everybody else's fault.

This is a 20-minute speech where he just rails, rails, awful, terrible, everything's awful, I'm the only solution. It's like, I cannot imagine. What I want to see is, is Prince Charles, sorry, King Prince Charles, going to do that with his Christmas address this year? He's like, he said, two years ago, I inherited a mess of a kingdom. He actually runs the king of everything on your brother that you had to strip all of his titles off of. That would be great. So I've been doing some research chaps. I don't know how you feel about this.

I've been doing some quite detailed research, research, yeah. Have you compiled all of your findings into some sort of archive or database? No, it's in my head at the moment, but I'd like to put it down for you. This is about the 6-7 meme. Okay. Oh, Christ. I have struggled, like most people my age, to really understand the 6-7 meme and why it's so popular. Oh, man.

Can I just say before you continue, I had this. incredible moment the other day where I took my kids to a trampoline park. One of my kids was there for a birthday party and the other two were just like, can we go and jump while the other one is at this party? And it's like, yeah, of course you can. Let's go. We went and they were going to the security briefing thing. And there was a group of maybe 12, 10 year old girls all sitting around waiting for the security briefing. And then all of a sudden, they were like, okay, girls, three, two, one, six seven they were all like giggling and laughing going crazy i looked over at my son and i could see his soul leaving his body he looked like he was dying like he was just like he just wanted

it looked like he was just revving up to just uh like self-repel off the planet in in cringe it was so funny like he just eyes rolling and everything and i just said well you know that's it's probably it could have been you Like, even last year, you're not that old? And he's like, no way, never. Yeah, it's weird. So I've got a two, this is a two part of. First of all, for anyone like me who's old or out of touch

and doesn't know what the fuck six, seven is and the origin and everything, I will give you the rundown of where this meme comes from and what it means. And then I will talk about why I think it's a terrible meme and why I think it's a precursor to worse things to come. And I understand that people will say, oh, P-Flegg's so out of touch. such an old idiot or this is why this meme is successful because it makes old boomers like you look stupid and blah blah blah but please hear me out okay please hear me out I think this is well I'll come to that so the whole six seven meme started off on TikTok and Instagram

reels this year it's not an old meme right it's like a this year meme right and there was this this guy called scrilla he's a rapper and he had a song called doot doot six seven right and the lyrics to doot doot six seven it's a terrible song if you're on listen to it. It's like they took the most basic backing track imaginable. There's nothing to it. And then he raps things like, um, do, do do do do. Do dump truck, baby shark, do, do, do. I pop the perk and pop the blue. I geek, geek like a custody too. Say it in rap, bro, we can smack out, huh? Pull up, cleaning my white tea, rolling off the honey too, huh? Diamonds VV, straight from Lex. And I got a custom pendant waiting, wait till when you see that, oh, and so on. Like, it's nonsense,

right? Yeah. And he says, bipped. I just. bit, and he makes all these weird noises like, like, whoop, weep, like he's crazy. He's crazy. It's not for me. I get it. It's not my music. It's for a different generation. To me, these lyrics are nonsense. Yeah. And it's just noise. He says 6'7 in that.

He says 6'7. I just bit right on the highway. Bit, bit, right? Obviously, I'm reading this. This reminds me, in fact, of Ben Shapiro reading the lyrics to wet-ass pussy, right? I get it. I get it. I understand.

I am not having a go at the 6-7 meme and the kids who do it because it's for kids. It's fine. If they enjoy it, that's whatever. But the origin is that it comes from this song by Skrilla where he says 6-7, I just bit run the highway. Then they used that as an overlay on this 6-7 basketball player for highlight reels of him getting dunks and stuff like that. It spreads like that. And then it becomes this weird sort of meme where people start referencing it. He's 6'7.

Right. I mean, so then there's this guy called Tailon Kinney. And Tailon Kinney is a basketball player. It's a high school basketball. He's a prospect player. And they basically get him to, you know, they get highlight clips of him. And then there's this clip of him ranking a Starbucks drink by saying six, seven. And that for some reason went viral on social media.

It's mainly in America, I'm sure. But then it spread everywhere because America is like the epicenter of a lot of this stuff. So then he became known as Mr. Six-Seven. launched a branded canned water drink line called 6-7 drink or 6-7 water or whatever. So in the span of six months or less than... I know. In the span of less than six months, it's gone from a line and a scrylluson that you could easily walk past and easily miss in amongst all the noise of a scryliss song, which is literal.

Like it sounds like some guy... Like Jones from Police Academy. Yeah, literally. For a bang-up-to-date reference that you kids will definitely understand. It's like that guy... from police academy. So, yeah, that's where the song came from. Okay, now imagine that guy having sex, though.

So then it becomes like a meme, and there's this kid. All the people involved in this have bizarre names. Like, this guy that they call 6-7 kid, you might have seen him if you've seen any of the mean to like a little blonde shit head. He looks like an absolute bell end of a kid. Like the kind of kid that's just going to be a real little shit. His name is Maverick Trevillian. All right.

Cool, says. And he yells, 6. seven and does the hand gesture and now he's fucking everywhere and like you know that's his face is all over this thing and it's like oh it's the six seven kid ah ha ha sort of like bart simpson and the i didn't do it like that's his thing even though he didn't invent this uh it's utterly bizarre so now you've got kids doing it you've got the prime minister of the uk making the six seven meme in a classroom full of little kids in a primary school being told by the headmistress please don't do that we have banned that meme because obviously it drives the fucking teachers yeah they had to ban flossing

Fortnite flossing back when my son was like a much smaller because kids were doing it in the in the playground so much and the teachers just it drove them mad yes and they had to ban it so here's my point okay this this this this is gone from being a line in a song to a thing that was used as background music for videos to a kid saying six seven and now everyone's saying it there is only one reason it is not funny there's no background to it there's no story there's no meaning it's just you either get it or you don't, which means that this meme is very much social media, inclusivity. You're either on the internet so much that you're aware of these memes before your friends are or you're a fucking loser.

And to me, this style of humor and this style of the spread, the virality of these memes is not, these kids don't give a shit about six, seven, in six months or seven months, see, six, seven, it'll be something else. And it'll suddenly be referenced by someone, an adult, and everyone will be, that's lame now. something else. Like the Italian brain rock, all that ballerina cappuccina. That was everywhere last year. Was it? I didn't even remember that. Right. Well, we're old. But that's all they fucking talked about. Now it's something else. Now it's something else. So it's all about keeping up with the Joneses. But when you're fucking 10 years old, you have to be terminally online to understand all this

shit. And I think it's really fucking bad end of rant. I don't know. I don't know if you have to Even, now that you've explained it, I still don't feel like I really understand it. But it doesn't matter. The kids themselves don't get the meme. If you ask the average 10-year-old in a classroom, where does this 6-7 meme come from? They say, oh, 6-7-uh. It's just about belonging. It's just another private language that people have in their community that other grown-ups or the other people don't understand.

And they think it's private to them. But of course, it's not because the internet is pervasive. and it was always playground shit was always viral anyway amongst somehow before the internet stuff would There was some telephone A private language is a way of conferring information

for one person to another There is no information to this They don't have to research this They don't have to look up like you have What the origin of the 6-7 meme is Like they don't have to know And they probably don't None of them probably know anywhere near

As much as you've said about the 6-7 meme They're just like, oh 6-7 her like that's it and join they don't even have to go on the internet to know that because they've got a kid next to them doing it right you just that's my point that's my point is that it's creating this idea that you have to just copy everyone else because that's what everyone is doing even though everyone has always done that since ever yeah I don't know if that's true that's like a crucial part of built into our DNA about socialization what was the equivalent to where we were kids what was you just copy there's a lot more focus on fashion I think when

we were kids I was talking to my wife about this earlier and it wasn't what wasn't so much like catchphrases and memes, although occasionally something did come up. Like if you remember yada, yada, yada from Seinfeld. A lot of people were saying that when that came out. But earlier than that, even, I remember when the Chicago Bulls were winning a lot in the 90s. And all the Bulls merchandise, you used to have like starter caps, starter jackets and all that. Everybody wanted to get them because they were like the coolest things. but even then even some schools were like you you're not allowed to wear this to school

because people are beating each other up to like steal them like you people used to get rolled for their jackets and hats and stuff like that but I mean but that that that's another example of people just like not even most of the people that were wearing that weren't even wearing it because they were bulls fans or even knew who the bulls were or whatever it was just it was just a but Michael Jordan played for the Chicago Bulls didn't he he did yeah wasn't that Michael Jordan, the most famous athlete in the world at that time, one of the most famous ever. You can understand why people would want to wear that much. I mean, when it comes to, like, everybody's wearing Nike this or whatever it is, you at least understand. It's marketing

and copy. And people have worn the same thing as their peers forever. Look at all those pictures in medieval times wearing those ridiculous ruffles. Yeah. If you said, we're not wearing these anymore, they'd be like, thank God. But you've got to wear it because everyone else is wearing it. That's just proving what Lewis said, though, that people will just copy each other because they think that's the cool thing to do. That's, yeah, but it's in that. But that's all ages, dude. Yeah, but the same thing with like saying these catchphrases and fitting in with other people that are saying them and stuff. It's all the same thing. People who are into fashion and not the people who are, you know, building nuclear reactors, right? They're dumb people. They're the most basic people. It's, it's always been this way. Like,

When we were at school, the trends were yo-yos and pogs and mark stuff that was marketed to us, right, and sold to us. And these viral dumb trent yos, the pedophobing and the ball and cup. No, but all this stuff was, Reebok pumps. Remember Reebok pumps? It was all, and even like when we were kids, every TV show had some toy line, you know, Transformers and Power Rangers. You were talking about physical things. Give me an equivalent that when we were. And we were kids that was literally just two numbers, and all the kids are talking are doing that. Within a few months of it becoming a thing, everyone's aware of it. It can only exist with the internet, because we didn't have the delivery system back then of the internet, you know, of, for a catchphrase to catch on, like, to that extent.

Yeah, we had in, it was a smaller thing. Like, it was a microcosm that one cool kid or one boy or one girl or something had done something. Star Wars came out and everyone was saying I'm your father It was all lines from TV shows In movies Right, yeah Can I just say

All of the things you've mentioned so far Whether it be the Chicago Bulls Or Star Wars or Seinfeld Were hugely popular They were And were good Like those things were good This was plucked by whom

Where does it come from How does one person hear The line 6-7 in a Skrilla song And a few years later The Prime Minister Not even that A few months later, the Prime Minister is in classroom being told off for saying that same joke. This is so impossible to conceive of.

But it's always like this. You can't predict how these things are going to move. It has never been like this. It's like that movie, Airhead, when Steve Buscemi turned. Is it Airheads? What movie is it with Steve Buscemi's dressed? He's got a backwards cap on his hold his. Greetings, fellow kids.

Yes. Yeah. I thought that was a sketch on Saturday Night Live or something. No, I'm sure it's from one, it's a movie. I think it may be flying airheads or something. I think, do you know what, though, I think this isn't all that different because even like classic, classic movies, classic quotes, like things that were said were always done wrong, like when they became popular. Like, they were always, there's so many of them. I can't remember off to my head.

I mean, well, beam me up, Scotty. He never says that, for example. Beem me up, Scotty. Exactly. Don't have a cow, man. Eat my shorts. There's like hundreds. No, but he says both of those things.

I know. But in a bad example, those buttons really catch on, though. I don't remember anybody ever saying, don't have the very early days. No, in the very early days, there were T-shirts every single barrage. Oh, they were, yeah, yeah. He was the most popular Simpsons character for some bizarre reason. Like, all the Bart Simpson merch, and do the Bartman. We've talked about it before.

They were always me. I mean, South Park is barely features the kids anymore. You know, that's all about. I'm just saying that I feel like we have, we see this as just some, oh, it's just a It's just for the kids. But this is genuinely fascinating to me. They have something that moves so fast and is gone so quickly and is so ingrained in our culture almost overnight and that people can't even really pin down what it means or it came from.

It just goes to show how complex our brains are and our culture is and the way our systems work and the way our interactions work in 2025. Like, this is just a little example of, it's almost like an instruction manual for, for what makes us tick, right? Because obviously, young people are always going to be a part of society, right? You know, we are, we're not permanent. We're always in flux and everything, the technology that we have now influences and changes the generations. And everyone's always terrified about it. It's like, oh, what about this spinning Jenny?

What's that going to do to the next generation? Are they not going to go down to the river and wash their clothes by hand with a mangle? You know, blah, blah, blah. I think the spinning Jenny was a cotton processing. I can't remember. He's so on a touch, you don't know what a spinny is. Get him.

But honestly, I do think it's fascinating to me and a little scary that if you think about it, a lot of these memes originate on some very small channel somewhere. Like the 6-7 kid was not already famous when he started doing this. He was just some kid. So the point is that really the virality of this stuff is not pushed by influencers at the initial stage.

We know this. It's picked up on by an algorithm that populates it. Why do you think we're popular? For no reason. We don't deserve it. We just got like we were just there first to market making Minecraft videos the most popular video game of all time. That is not random.

That is not random. You guys did something no one else was doing. That's not a sign of any kind of quality, you know? The first one, isn't there. I would disagree. I would say that what you guys did was to embrace YouTube content creation in a way that other people hadn't in a game that was the most popular game of all time at a time when it was a growing idea to have people playing games on YouTube and for people to watch that, have two people being themselves, being funny, bringing in their friends, doing the

same thing. That is a real tangible thing that you did. You did not just make a video where you went six, seven, and got a billion views. No, they made one where a guy just said, mental fucking difference there. But that's very popular. The fucking Rosewood or whatever, harp wind, farp music, what are they called the metal band?

Windrose. Well, they are them. Those guys fucking love that song, right? And they've made it and people go to their shows.

They sing it. It's popular. Yeah, I know. I didn't do that. Sparkle's there. Anyway, listen, like,

I feel like there is this, we're not against new stuff, right? No. I'm fascinated by it, and it doesn't bother me, really. And also, for every one Skrilla, or whatever the fuck he is, there's probably like literally a million more of him trying to do this. And each writing their own dumb, stupid shit that's gone nowhere, right?

Like, it's not, it is brute forcing its way through, right? If it wasn't this brain rot, it'd be some other rocks. Do you know what I mean? At least it's not the skibbiddy toilet anymore. I mean, thank God. Man, my son used to say skibbiddy toilet. like occasionally and we thought it'd be funny to get him like because you can get like these little like gibbitty toilet knickknacks you know like you can get them at the store or

whatever and so we got we got him like this little one and put it in his stalking for Christmas and he was like really pissed off he was like oh what the fuck is it like he was so mad so we know not to do that again we just thought it was funny you know because like we heard him say like him and his friends like saying it and stuff we just thought oh well whatever like let's get him this i don't even know what it is we'll get him this he loves scivety toilet do dad and he was like oh my god oh my god this is so bad there's such brain run oh what is this it's so funny i think i unpacking that for him must have been like did these guys buy this for me as a joke or did they think i actually want this or do you know i mean like there's there's that whole rollercoaster of emotions

that you have to pick your way through. Well, we kind of just said, oh, I guess Santa got it wrong. He was like, you look at us like, okay, you fuck you guys. That was good. It was really funny, actually. Yeah, I don't know. It's like, it's weird. Like, I mean, I guess everybody, every generation goes through this.

At one point, we were the young people who knew what was up and what was going on and and sort of set like the standard for coolness or at least. we thought we did or whatever. But now that we're older and the younger generations are coming up and doing the exact same things that we did, we just feel left out because we don't understand any of it. But the world has changed a lot since we were kids as well. I'll be honestly, I get it. I understand the idea that people will say, oh, you're just out of touch and you don't

get it. It's not for you. It's the younger generation. All I'm saying is that when I look at the stuff that we were into, and I'm not roast into glasses in it, the stuff that I was in it, the stuff that I was in. into was successful shit that was well marketed, no doubt, but stuff like Transformers was cool. Star Wars was cool. Those things were cool. And the toys were cool. The cartoons were cool. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. There was something material there. All the stuff that was coming

out, it was different for our parents too. Our parents didn't have the same problems that parents have these days, for example. Like, you know, like when we were kids, our parents could work normal jobs and still afford to buy a house that could fit many people in it and still have money left over for groceries and toys because there was tons of toys when we were kids all the cartoons that came out were an afterthought just to sell even more toys like it kind of was like the almost like the like the 80s like for for in terms of like capitalism and like shifting units and and and stuff, it had to have been the golden age, right? Like, there had to have been so much money made at that point.

I mean, honestly, those toy companies back then, they made so much money, like you said. Yeah. They weren't competing as much with video games and phones. Exactly. Like, kids played a lot more, I think, with physical toys when we were kids. Nowadays, certainly at a younger age, kids will play with a lot of physical toys. Yeah. But they're on an iPad quite quickly.

Yeah. A lot of parents find that handing the iPad or the phone to the kid is much easier to shut them up than saying, here's a shitload of Lego. Because after a few minutes of building stuff with Lego, you're like, I wonder how far I can throw this Lego. Whereas on an iPad, who gives a shit? Even my four-year-old daughter, who just started school this year, we went to like this, their school did like a bingo night.

And we went to this bingo night. Like, you know, her whole year and a couple of like the younger years were all there. All the parents were there and stuff. And this was the first time we heard any of the music from the K-pop demon hunt. answers. Right. Because all the girls were running around singing it, going up onto the stage in between like the bingo calling, they would play it and all the girls were singing it. They knew all the lyrics and everything. And that's only that can only be because of the internet, because it was on Netflix. So you can't watch that anywhere else, but if you're online. But these are all like

four, five-year-old girls who knew all the lyrics, listened to it, listened to it, must have listen to it. Maybe they have older siblings that have been like into it as well. This stuff is propagated so quickly now, you know, like the minute something is sort of seen as like, yep, this is the new thing. It's just like it's out there immediately and being like massively consumed, which is it was different for us as kids. A lot of that stuff took a long time to cook and get get around because the delivery mechanism was so different. You had to rely on everybody. watching TV at the exact same time to catch this stuff. And then if they missed it,

it would take forever for them to get back around to being able to see it because there was no on-demand. There was no, you know, somebody had to have taped it or passed a tape to you or whatever, you know? Like, it was much harder to access any of this stuff. But I feel, again, I do feel like the origin

for all of that stuff was a shared experience. Yeah. And I suppose you could say that these memes, in a way, the stuff that was marketed to us was marketed to us by rich blokes like George Lucas making fucking Ewok toys and I lap them up as a kid. I was like, oh, I'm going to be amazing. But the thing is now, it is almost like anyone could come up with this shit.

But because of that, I feel in a weird way, there's no gatekeeping, which means there's no quality control, which means it's just nonsense. No. And it's just gone. It's through your fingers in seconds. And you either get it or you don't. And it's a way to exclude people who don't get it, whether they're old or young. And if you're a little kid who doesn't get the same,

67 meme, because what the fuck, why would you? Oh, suddenly, oh, you don't know six, oh, oh, you're like, well, that's just part of the interdynatics of school, but being a kid, you're kind of like a comedian as a kid as well. Like, I'm sure there's been tons of stuff that my son doesn't know where it came from or didn't understand because he was not as online as some of the people in his school at the time or whatever, but he would just, he would just pretend like he knew what was going on. Like, he never had any problems. This is a classic way to exclude other kids.

If they weren't using the 6-7, so I was wondering why K-pop Demon Hunters had quite so many views. Because I read something that had been watched like so many millions of times, God, an insane amount of times. And I didn't think it was like the frozen situation where kids were just putting it on repeat over and over again. But that does make sense now, I think about it. Because it's such a foreign idea to me to,

Sometimes Netflix will recommend something And I'll start watching it Like I've fucking seen this already And I'm always got like this repulsive reaction to it Like do not show me this thing I've seen already Do you mean? I don't think my kids have ever been like at the forefront Of like finding something new

And then like you know Sharing that with like their friends or whatever For the most part We just have like kids TV on in our house Like CBVs or something like that And then if one of them comes back from school And it's talking about something will kind of like be like, oh, what's this, look into it or whatever. But like it's,

you wonder where like some of this stuff even originates. Like who, who, who saw it first and who started spreading the word about it kind of thing, you know? Like, it's interesting like where where like all the the sort of like build up and lead up to these things becoming so popular starts from, you know? Like it's, I don't know. Some people just seem to have like their fingers way more on the pulse than other people. I know it's, it's not us. Also, like, it's the secret to making money, right? If you can tell what's going to be successful, you've mastered advertising, you know, I'm reading like the R game dev subreddit and I read something like 16,000 games came out

on Steam last year and like something like 30%, 40% of them have like not a single Steam review kind of thing. It's kind and a lot of these people are like I put, you know, 10,000 hours into my game and I've made $200 on it or whatever. And it's like, oh, it's like, it's brutal, right? And yes, sometimes that game is bad and you're weird and you've made a bad game because you're weird and you thought everyone would want to play the weird game that you've enjoyed. It's the same as streaming.

And sometimes as content creation. Yeah. It's saturated. Sometimes it is just misguided people. And sometimes it's people doing everything right. But. And it's not working and it being very frustrating. The tools to make this stuff is have all been so refined, you know, like, it's like, you know,

the back end of YouTube, the back end of Twitch. A lot of programming... Or Twitch is so gamified. A program, like a lot of programming, you know, packages, suites, game dev stuff. You know, you've got like, you've got game engines that are very easily accessible now. The tools that people use for these things are so... It's very weird. Are so much easier to use than they've ever been, which opens it up to so many people being able to even just dabble or,

get really, really stuck in, but then those places just become so saturated so quickly that you do have that. You have people who will spend thousands of thousands of hours and get nowhere. And then you'll get people who just completely luck out. They'll spend a fraction of the time, you know, a fraction of the effort, but their idea maybe is just better or, you know, they've taken an idea from somewhere and covelled it together with another one and away you go. But like, I mean, look at some of the most popular games now are just based off of people's, um, custom games in, in other games. Like, well, like Dota is like the, the perfect example of that, right? It's just it came from a custom game. But yeah, the tools to turn them around and, and make them a big commercial success are, are, are better than ever now. I guess they're only getting better and better. And now with a push for like AI and stuff, I'm not saying I like AI, but you know, you can see that people will be. using these tools to help turn stuff around even quicker now. All of these ideas that may go nowhere.

Your morals only take you as far as your finances, right? If you're struggling to make money or you haven't got a budget or your things are going badly, of course, like if AI is going to let you jump through hoops, like, I read a thing this week that was from Larian who made Goldersgate 3. You know, they've made, they're probably the richest games company that are out there right now in terms of raw money. Well, they did the Divinity Original Sin, which all have done like fairly well, but Balders Gate 3 was phenomenal. Like, it's sold as they're richer than Valve, dude. No, they're not richer than Valve, but like they.

No, no, no, don't be stupid. For Nintendo? For a studio their size, they've done very well. Sorry, Peefax. I'm talking about a studio who still somehow consider themselves to be an indie studio. All right. I'll give you that. These guys, Borders Gate 3, Larian, you know, Svary and.

Vinkie or whatever, he's a really nice guy. He's a good guy. He's constantly coming out saying like things like, you know, we're never going to use I. And I'm like, that's, do you know what? That's wonderful to hear. But at the same time, you are in such a privileged position. And the same thing with the company who made bloody the biggest indie game of the year, Expedition 33, which again, loved it, thought it was a brilliant game.

Yeah. But it's not an indie game, right? 90 person studio. Neither is Boulders Gate 3. These are not in the games. It's a studio of devs who formerly worked for big studios as well. These aren't people that just started up in a garage somewhere. And there's a tremendous amount of experience.

Yeah, they would have had easy access to funding and investment. But I will say, they did get their success by publishing something really good. Yeah, of course. Like, they're not like fucking EA who are just publishing Wank. I'm not saying the game isn't amazing and it being great. But I think that if you think a game made by, you know, 120 people on a $200 million budget is an indie game, then you are smoking some serious crack. I absolutely agree.

Indie games are made by people, one or two people, you know, working on a, like PlanetCrafter. That's an indie game, right? Two people, you know, really good game, done really well. great, very impressed, right? And I realize that, you know, in a sense, the problem with a really successful indie game made by two people, that makes two people incredibly rich. Yeah, right. Right.

And it's not exactly helping the games industry either unless they somehow pop it back in. I think you can tell where I'm going here. But I think, like, I just want to see more, I want to see. And Steam does a good job, thank God, thank God for Steam, of like showing these smaller, rarer, more polished games to people. But it's so hard, right? There's so many that even Steam is like buckling under the volume, right? I think Steam was a great way to showcase indie games when there were, you know, five coming out, you know, a week. But now there's 50 coming out a day.

Man, I remember when Steam had. So many things are being buried. Half-Life and TF2 on it. There's like nothing else, right? You got the orange box and you had to have Steam to claim the orange box and install these games. But there was like there was not much else on Steam at the time. And look at it now. It's insane.

It's just crazy. Yeah, like Papers Please nowadays or like Stanley Parenthood these days. Would these things even break through at all and be seen and played by anyone? I don't know. Like I feel like, you know, the the world is the gaming industry. is very, very different. And, you know, more than likely what will happen is if you try to release papers, please, some Chinese, you know, AI-based dev studio would get it out on iOS before you, you know,

you post a trailer, it gets a few bit of which lists. And there's 50 clones out there immediately called something similar, please papers, you know, and there's no, there's no way, you know, it's, that's the world that we live in, it feels like. And I think a lot of people are shamelessly using AI and will be to just make this situation worse. So no, I'm very skeptical and negative about that. No, yeah. I mean, it's like our creators, they've used like a bit of AI, but mostly just for, I think they, I think they basically primed like an AI program with voice acting. And then the AI program was then able to take that and then kind of dynamically, you know, add more voice acting to the game. Like, apparently when you ping

stuff, all of that is, is AI. But obviously, somebody had to have voice acted in the first place, but I don't think there's any credits for voice acting in the game. But somebody would have had to, like, feed it probably a couple of lines that they then, you know, pick up the speech patterns and the tone and whatever from to then be able to dynamically do all this stuff. I don't know how against that I am per se. The problem is it's so hard to police. Yeah, yeah. The issue is, is like, what, what bits we use by A.

Because I type into Google now and it fucking gives me an AI Google search, right? Always the worst fucking result, by the way. Did I use, you know, and like AI is kind of already starting to penetrate through. Like, you know, if you're making a game and you ask an AI for some help, is your game now made by AI? like you know where are where are the lines yeah of what's accepted and what's not and i think people will always use again their own moral guidance on this but as soon as it's it's down to morals that might as well be it's down to money yeah unless you've got someone actually telling people not to dump their waste in the river they'll dump their waste in the river that's

just how humans have always been because most people are desperate for to pay their bills and they don't care about how it affects other people and i think that that's just the world we live in if we if it's today yeah anyway so i think um you know i'm i am a i am a positive person i believe that the world's getting better um but i i i'm definitely frustrated by things i see in the world and i have to be more careful to not turn into a grumpy old man every day oh i'm do you want to hear some lose news i'm i'm beyond that i feel like the grumpiest old man recently like i don't know why it's just a great it's a holiday season i feel by the way can i just say i i i I don't feel like grumpier than ever.

I just feel like obviously I am increasingly, as I get older out of touch, for example, my 30-minute rant about a fucking meme that doesn't even matter. But I am at core genuinely interested. And I think a lot of the time we hand-waved this stuff and say, oh, it's just, but it is different. Yeah. And it feels very different. And its origins are different and its spread is different. And I honestly, it all comes back to my hatred of the fucking algorithm, which controls our lives

and the content that we see. and by dehumanizing it all, the quality drops, and it's just insane. That's my feeling on it. You just need to know where to look, and that it sounds like it's Hillary Mantell. She's great. It still has there, but Hillary ain't going to be around for long. I'm just saying, Hillary Mantel, you know, this is great order. Don't worry.

Don't worry, P-Flex. Read that. Instead of the 6-7 and Skrilla. Read a book. But I want to listen to the Skrilla. So, okay, so, you know, GameStop? Yeah. They recently did aid.

Yeah, the stock stuff. They did a, the actual shops still go in, apparently. And they did a, you can bring in anything to trade in day. Because I think they're one of these companies like they accept games still. Like some people still buy games on disc and you can, and apparently they get bored of them so they take them in to exchange. Yeah. I'm sorry. like I don't know

like I'm a different it's a different world but they did a day where you could bring in anything where so like any trade anything day so people brought in like garbage

literally rubbish like obviously they brought in a lot of stuff that was interesting like collectible stuff funco parts you know other stuff but people were bringing in

like dildos someone tried to give them their dog someone tried to like trade in there, just pocket lint, which I think they did accept some pocket lint, really, in return for like coupons. So, you know, they just, they, they just, they just, they just, they just, they just, it was just a kind of viral stunt thing that I think was pretty funny and it had lots of people go into GameStop with trying to trade in their stuff. I think it's a, it's an advert, obviously,

but, um, I thought it was a fun idea. Um, and it seemed like a little bit of a, uh, They go a waste of time. Someone brought in like an old AOL disc and an old Netflix disc for installing the streaming service on Wii, a gift shop replica of the Declaration of Independence. Why did they do this, though? What is this for? A taxidermy goose. What do you mean? They would just trade them in, you know, so they can get games to sell.

So why would GameStop do this? They just want, they maybe wanted to give out some. They want to become a trading powerhouse, a nickname. Okay, let me pitch this to you as an executive cynically. All right, hey, P-Flax, I've got this great idea to get money. What we do is we tell, you know how people come into GameStop and they try and trade in games and then we give them like a discount and hopefully make a profit on, yes, I understand. But really, we could just give them like a coupon for like 10 pound off or 10% off or whatever, right? Because we're still going to make a money if we just

sell a game with 10 pound off, right? So it's just less margin for us. So what we could do is just tell people will accept anything and give away some $10 off vouchers, do you know what I mean, you know, that can only be used once or whatever. And that way you'll get loads of people in the store. I'll sell loads of stuff. All right. Make it happen. Yeah, do it.

Sounds good. Okay, I did it. We made millions. Fantastic. And they talked about it on a podcast. Did that make our stock price go up and make Reddit slash Wall Street bets very happy? It did, yes. Good stuff.

All right. Mission accomplished. I'm a whole day, and I didn't fly with Ryanair, but this story is about Ryan. Ryanair boss, Michael O'Leary. Yeah. Who's a real funny lad. I'm probably insane, but I've seen him on TV shows where he gives interviews about stuff he wanted to do, like having standing only and all that kind of shit.

Like genuinely, he's a fucking bizarre guy. In order to get around the city, more easily he started a taxi company, which was just one cab that only he was allowed to take. And because it was technically a taxi, he was allowed to use the bus lane. Like, he's a nut. So, that's true. So he went to a restaurant and he got roasted by the staff who charged him $7.95 for extra leg space, $9.95 for priority booth seating, $19.95 for quiet area reservation. Right.

So it was like he charges his customers on the planes for all of his extra fees. I'll be honest with you. If you don't want those things or they don't matter to you, you can then get a flight for a fiver. Like, I think people making fun of it, fair enough. Like, I don't fly Ryanair because I would like to be able to breathe and have my legs move. But I can also afford to take these slightly more expensive flight. But if I don't have much money and I want to get to a festival with my mates or I want to go on holiday with my partner and with broke, being able to fucking take a Ryanair flight. Stop, this is not an advert.

Yeah. It's a good thing. Thank you so much, Ryanair for the sponsorship today. Not that we're sponsored by as the SkyScanner either. It's also really fucking bad for the environment. So all these cheap flights have made people be able to travel more, ruin southern Spain even more than we had already, to the point where they don't even want us there,

even though with the whole reason their economy exists down there, apart from oranges. So it's bad, but I can't blame the company for saying, we're offering a fucking absolute bare-bones budget flight for the first time in human history, a working class person with no money can get from A to B and have a cool holiday. I think I'm like, oh, it's cheap.

They don't give a shit. It turns out, well, it wasn't cheap for me. I ended up going with EasyJet on one way, jet two on one of the other ones, and my partner's coming out on, like, a two-y flight. What was that that jet two-y holiday ad that uses that song? Apparently that song has become like an absolute meme. That's the one.

It's become like a meme, you hear it. Like, I heard it like, I heard a, kids singing it the other day, but not just singing the song, doing the whole like, try it, Jet 2 holiday. Like, did the whole, like, commercial. Like, she'd memorize the whole thing. Like, people will overlay it over the footage of, like,

people outside a pub, and the whole table flips over, and there's a big fight, and it will have that music. It's very funny. So, do it? It's genuinely, really funny meme. Yeah, yeah. That's a funny meme. It is funny. You can save up to 50 pounds on a Jet 2

holiday. And then it's like just two people. I got so many complaints from people who were into fashion, people who are going on holidays, people who are going to get so many letters. I'm not looking forward to it. I take the, I'll take the, I'll take the, don't worry. I just said that people who were into fashion of basic people earlier. You did. I mean, I just weren't to be known.

I did not say that. I was talking about fashion, but I never made any judgments. Can I, can I tell you guys that you're not going to believe this yesterday with hat films. we did a hashtag ad for G-Force now, Nvidia G-Force now, which I'll say it again is actually impressive. It's good. Like we played...

God, these three out the shout-outs for today have been outrageous. I was paid to promote it, but I will say it is impressive that you can stream a game. Like I played Battlefield 6 on it months ago, and it was just like, I felt like I was just playing it on my computer. There was no lag or anything. We've been saying this is cloud gaming.

should have been the future so long ago, right? Like there was on do you remember on live? Yeah, remember Google had was it Stadia or whatever? They tried. They had Google Stadia and then

I mean Xbox. I mean X, you can buy an Xbox and just not have any fucking chips in it basically. I think Amazon's got one as well, but it's very limited. Entirely live Xbox. I can't remember what's called.

But yeah, this is a thing. It's got like a rotation of games, whereas GForce now has a library of games and all you have to do is own it on one of the linked platforms and then away you go sort of thing but the only thing is and just steam the only thing i i will say about it that is kind of off putting is that uh some of the passes are like time limited so like you know like you'll get like a pass but you you can only play the game for like eight hours and then there's like a

cool down before you can play it again kind of thing which right kind of you know like if you want if you want to play it do like a lot of gaming that that would definitely be like a a negative something that wouldn't be good but I mean but whatever we're playing but we're playing fortnight which I haven't played in years because it was part of the the ad sort of thing and we Ross bought me the new Kim Kardashian skin in Fortnite and while we were playing as I was I was dressed up as Kim Kardashian wearing sweatpants and like a big, like a mink coat, I think, or something. It was like a big puffy coat. And Ross was playing as Kim Kardashian wearing a neon pink body leotard.

So we were running around fighting other people in Fortnite and we bumped into some of the greats. Man, we killed Snoop Dog out there. We killed Eminem. Sabrina Carpenter. We killed her. we killed Lionel Messi God, we were killing everybody It was insane

It was like somebody Somebody said it's like a fever dream In chat And they're so spot on I felt like I was high The whole time I was playing it It was insane Oh that's so funny

There's like It's like just it's big What the fuck even is that It has just become the most insane thing You'll ever set your eyes on Like it was just crazy It was pretty fun though Like I do like a BR.

That's pretty fucking funny. And still like, you know, at its core, it is it is a decent VR. Yeah, a battle royale. Oh, battle royale. Keep up grandad, fuck me. I thought that was like, all of the, all of the, like the, the, it's, it has to be the most insane game for micro transactions and. No, that sounds insanity. It was, yeah, like, cloud gaming, I'm, I'm, I'm impressed.

Honestly, I'm always impressed by it. But for some reason, I just can't, it just can't, it just can't, it just doesn't get it's very impressive. Like, I've said it before too. It's not even because I'm shilling or anything. I'm shocked. It is, it is definitely something worth considering, you know, if you're, if you're away from your computer, but you want to do some gaming on like a tablet or a shitty old laptop or

whatever, you could do it with us. Maybe it is catching on and we just don't know, but like it feels like it should have turned the page and everything should be that way now. That should just be the default way. Because everything is, but maybe that's just the next big drain of fucking data center graphics cards, whatever, you know, it's already, like, everyone's already sucking up. Sucking up all the water. Yeah.

Like, what is it, is it RAM that's like more expensive now than it was two years ago or something? That's all AI driving that. Because yeah, all of these data centers are doing this crazy that this is happening. So there is a guy called Ed Zetrom, Z-I-T-E-T-E-T-E. R-O-N, if you were on Twitter in its golden age or you're on blue sky now, you should follow him. He's very funny guy. He writes about AI and he's talking about the amount of money being spent, like there's this company, you know, Oracle and Nvidia and all these huge tech firms, the amount of money they're spending on AI and the amount of money that they've committed

to spending on this stuff and the panic that is now setting in as they're discovering that they're not actually going to make anything like the money that they're investing in it back. Go ahead and read it. He did a substack recently, a big deep dive into the amount of money that they've spent. It is baffling. It is billions upon billions upon billions of dollars, and it's all just going to disappear into the ether. And it's the bubble that we are in the middle of this AI bubble when it bursts.

It's going to fucking crash the stock market bigly, very bigly. Like the dot-com, remember when the dot-com bubble burst? Oh, my God. Oh, dude, yeah. It's huge. It's huge. And the 2008 crash was a bubble that we couldn't understand because it was property. so we could see that.

But everyone was convinced it was fine. This one, we know in our bones this is bullshit. You can ask anyone, do you think this is bullshit? They'll be like, yes, this is clearly bullshit. But of course, there's money to be made. So these billions have been poured into these investments and it's driving at the price of all this stuff like RAM and graphics go because they've got to squeeze something out of this worthless language model

that they call AI. It's all going to come crashing down. The funniest thing I've seen is like I saw a post on PC Master Racing, or whatever and it was like a picture of a PC on saying like Costco and for me that would normally be like what the when would you ever buy like a pre-built PC from Costco you could be crazy and the comments were like this PC is amazingly priced I would pay more do you know what I mean they were like this it's got 32 gigs of RAM that alone is worth the price of the PC and I was like the fuck it's obviously like you know

No, this is, this is, it's so unexpected that the world has been, the tech world anyway, has been like social, I mean, Nvidia, biggest, the biggest company in the world at the moment or something insane? Yeah, I don't know about that. But given the design, you need graphics cards for first of all, Bitcoin, but push the, and all that crypto shit pushed the price of graphics cards up. And now AI has pushed the price of graphics cards up. I mean, honestly, they're probably just going to stop making them for PC.

It's just not worth it for them. The market is diminishing because people can't afford these fucking crazy. Yeah, they said they're cutting production in next year for PC graphics cards. So that's going to, the price is going to go fucking crazy again. It's such a small part of their market. Why are they care? Fascinating stuff. But how am I going to run crisis too without them?

How am I going to hit my benchmarks? Hold on to your 1080s. That's all I'm saying. That's a solid card. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. It feels like we shouldn't be doing this. It feels like we should be all just sharing a data.

center, you know. All right, communist. Get him off the fucking podcast. Well, I'm just saying that like, you know, if other people are using my PC while I was sleeping, then if I could rent my processing power out, then, you know, I think somebody is using my PC while I'm sleeping. I've noticed a lot of account activity on my Battlenet account recently. Somebody's been playing Overwatch 2 on there.

I don't know who. Oh, shit. It's been fucking awful, yes. Real bad. Somebody hacked into my account. is it your wife's boyfriend he must be yeah he's a wily he's a wily coyote yeah he lives in the crawl space oh man right well thanks so much for listening to our crappy podcast once again and uh we'll see you next time once again pleasure all right

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