Triforce! - An Actual Podcast Episode | Triforce #322

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

Triforce! Episode 322! Pyrion discovers some amazing deals made in the sports world and tells stories about the worst colonization efforts when we make an actual podcast episode! Go to http://auraframes.com and use code AURA20 to get $20 off plus free shipping on their best-selling Carver Mat frame Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pickaxe. Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the Triforce podcast. Oh, no, no, it was so bad. I've got a little cheeky surprise this week when I'm period visited Bristol. I wasn't expecting to see him. And that is cheeky. Impromptu is visiting big lovely face came around the corner and I kissed it and I was like, oh, my mom, you're not expecting it.

You know why I was there. I get tough things. We were here to fill my little, a little cosplay challenge for the, for the, who cares if we, if we spoil it a little bit. It's just, you know, I always talk about what people I've noticed. Um, cause we talked about some of the other stuff we'd done on the podcast and people were like, Oh, so this is the thing Lewis talks about. But actually this is going out during Camp Yog, which is pretty coming up pretty soon. So, um, so it was real, real fun actually

to, to, I always forget how much fun doing real life live actions events are where if one mills around and you know, is silly and we, we, we get a little, I don't know, a couple of props, a couple of costumes. I don't know. It's, it's, we get a little... I don't know, a couple of props, a couple of costumes... I don't know, we're so used to doing stuff in games, right? It just feels... ALICE Remember we did that one in that wine cellar, the Eastenders thing? ALICE Yes! SEAN The Brexit bunker. ALICE Compt. Yeah, we had to make that. SEAN Yeah, that was good. We did Compt,

we did Eastenders and... oh, what the other thing? ALICE That was so long ago. We used that same bunker for Tom and Ben's Warhammer thing where they rinsed it out and dressed it, made it look like a pub. Oh yeah, god, that was amazing. It's like a little wine cellar. Yeah, and they did like a Warhammer thing. I love these things. I think I noticed sometimes when people say, oh, I'm a big Yogs fan, how do I introduce

Yogs to my partner? And they're always like, watch these live action videos. I've always sort of felt they have a very top-tier-y... You feel like those are the gateways into hours and hours of gameplay footage? It's more familiar to people, right? As well, because this is the kind of stuff you'd see on BBC and Dave, you know, with stuff like Taskmaster. It's such a great format for messing around and having fun and causing these silly, funny moments. And you could tell with things like, I don't know if you've ever seen Taskmaster, but obviously everyone here is a huge fan of it.

You could tell that it's not too heavily scripted or anything. They do the same. There's a lot of improvisation in between. Yeah. I think if, for example, like if it was more planned out, you'd end up with everyone doing something different all the time. Whereas in fact, sometimes they have a task and four of the people do exactly the same thing.

Even though they're all weird, different comedian people who think differently, they overlap on their ideas. And we've got a little bit of that too, like I think in our latest one that we did, the hide the body one, period. Oh man, that was fun. Obviously me and you did something quite different to the other two teams who both sort of ended up doing... Weekend at Bernie's.

Weekend at Bernie's. Yeah, where they, oh, our friend's gone drunk. They just leave him outside the pub. I know that everyone that we work with when we do these things, they're creative people and I think everyone's got a really good sense of humour and understands that it's about making a fun bit of content, right? Not winning or something like that. So, I feel like whenever I come down and we do some content, everyone from the crew to whoever I'm filming with or whoever's hosting something all just

understands that this is all for fun. And you're not competing to win something. I'm always just thinking, I want to try and see if we can come up with an idea that the other guys aren't so that it makes a better piece of content. And I think everyone's on the same page. I like that. Mason- Well, I think, yeah. It's always that way. You know, you've played these games with us since before as well. And it's like, if someone comes along to you and says, be creative, you almost have to like discard the first ideas in your head. You think, oh, other people do those. But then you think, oh, are they going to all, is everyone else also going

to think of that and discard it and do the next thing I thought of? But no, usually the second thing you think of, no one has ever thought of. Daishi You go like abstract after the first thing. You think of the first thing and you're like, maybe this is too obvious. And then the next thing you think of, like you said, is just out there. And then that usually hits. Mason I always think the first thing that you always think of is the same thing that everyone always thinks of. And in a sense, they've already imagined that in their mind. I think with these challenges, when you're given... Because we were all so conscious,

with the cosplay challenge last year, when Ozzy and Duncan had to build Spider-Man, Spider-Man is so iconic that I think you have to go a little bit lateral on that in order to make it stand out. Because you're just going to make a shit version of something which everyone in their head can visualize. Unless you've got a Fantasia where I guess you can't visualize Spider-Man. But I feel like even people who were with a Fantasia have seen Spider-Man enough. If I close my eyes right now, I can see Spider-Man in my mind. And guess what? Added bonus, he's naked. How can you tell he's Spider-Man then? Done it. He's got the mask on, but I can see everything else. He's got the mask on, right.

Gross. God. Is he like, how old are we talking? I think he sucks it all in. You know, he's not actually that muscular. He's like Dad's Spider-Man. Yeah, yeah. He just, he holds in his breath and, you know, sucks in the gut like, uh, into the spider verse, the Mars Morales Spider-Man,

there's like a chubby dad bod Spider-Man and all that. Yeah. Let's see. Yeah. He's giving you like creepy YouTube video vibes. Creaking and groaning. Yeah. He's got, he's got like, um, a couple of people trapped in his basement. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Not doing too good. So, um, are you? I was going to talk about something. I was,

I woke up very early today and did a little bit of, uh, accidentally. And I did a little bit of a digging around, um, on the internet for something to talk about today. Cause I hadn't really done much other than come down to see you and we can't talk about the content anyway. So, uh, and other than that, I just hung out in the office and then went to the pub. So not really much to say. It was lovely though. It was lovely. I had a great time. Beautiful, beautiful view. The heatwave we're having is being heaven-sent.

Oh yeah. Oh god. What a miserable winter it was. What a glorious start of the summer in May. It's been lovely. I'm just sitting out in the sun trying to soak up as much of the joy of walking around and seeing the trees are all green again and the sun is out. It's wonderful. Do you sniff any flowers while you're out there? I can't smell flowers. So strange. I mowed my lawn last weekend for the first time in what feels like forever. Just because we've had like scaffolding and crap for the past year on the house, which

is not there anymore. We kind of got the backyard back, so I'm able to get back there and do a couple of bits and pieces. It was nice to mow the lawn. It felt really good, you know? You get out there, you mow that lawn, you sit down and you just look at it and you just think, I did that. I cut all that grass. And while I was sitting there, loads of birds flew in and they were like looking for stuff.

Oh, get those bugs, baby. Yeah, it was great. Really good. Just felt like at one with nature for two minutes and then I went back in to my house. While you were murdering it with a lawnmower, of course. That's right, yeah. I went back in and just played some video games. Felt great.

Yeah. I did walk past a bush the other day with my partner and they sniffed it and they were like, this is supposed to smell like, see if you can tell. So I had a big sniff and I was like, this is supposed to smell like, see if you can tell. And so I had a big sniff and I was like, it kind of smelled like, like a stanky ass. And she was like, it's supposed to smell like sex. And I was like, the fuck did you make me smell that thing for? There's a bush on our road.

Sometimes where sex does smell like stanky ass. Yeah, that's true. But the bush at the end of my road, it fucking reeks. Like you walk past it, it smells like terrible garbage, but it's just this bush. Anyway. Find a rose bush. Trash one. I smell a rose. I can't smell it. I can't smell it.

But you can smell that one. Yes. The smelling one. Have you been cursed by some old woman who could only smell bad smells? No, cause I can smell like rosemary and stuff like that. So like, the herbs in a herb garden, I can smell the plants there, like mint and, you know, like basil and stuff. You can smell it. And I can smell it. But when it comes to flowers, I'm like, I'll stick it up my nose. I'm like, and I just can't smell anything. It's really bad. Yeah. I know what you mean. A lot of stuff people are like, oh, smell this. And you're

like, I don't smell anything here. I don't think that's necessarily you, I think it is. But yeah, obviously... Anyway, here's the thing that I was looking into this morning. I was looking at terrible deals. Like, bad contracts, bad deals, things gone wrong in sort of, all sorts of fields. And I come up with a few. There's some sport ones in here, there's some business ones in here, there's some history ones in here. You guys want to hear this? I want to hear the bad deal. This sounds like a podcast already.

I know. It's like we're doing a real podcast here. Oh my god. So this is about a football called Winston Boharder, or Bogard if you like, B-O-G-A-R-D-E. I'm pretty sure it's Boharder, but anyway, he had played for some big teams. When when when was he active? What were the years in question? I'm coming to that. OK. So he was he played for AC Milan.

He played for Barcelona. It's the year 2000. He's bound 30, something like that. He didn't play a huge number of games at those clubs. But in 2000, if you were an English club and you signed a player from Barcelona, everyone was like, oh, you know what I mean? That was like, wow, cool. So Chelsea signs this this guy, Winston Bohard,

Gianluca Fiali was the manager. He left and then Claudio Ranieri came in as manager. And he didn't like Winston Bohard as a player. It's like, I don't think he's up to much. Right. He's probably then Claudia Ranieri came in as manager and he didn't like Winston Bohada as a player. It's like, I don't think he's up to much. Right. I mean, it's probably right, to be fair. But they signed Winston Bohada on a £40,000 a week contract for four years. Now, £40,000 a week back then was an obscene amount of money for players.

Like hardly anyone had this kind of money. In today's money, that's it. That's it. Like 20, 25 years later. So that's like 80 grand a week for a 30 year old player. And here's the thing. They don't play him. He's there for four years and he just fulfills his contractual obligations. He trains every time he's expected to train. He's always available to play.

He does everything so they can't fire him. And he got a lot of stick from the Chelsea fans and the press and, oh, worse signing in history. But here's what he had to say about it. They kept trying to sell him, but no one would take him. And even though they pressured him to leave, he was like, here's what he said, why should I throw away 15 million euros when it's already mine? At the moment I signed, it was in fact my money, my contract. Both sides agreed wholeheartedly. I could go elsewhere to play for less, but you have to understand my history to understand

I would never do that. I used to be a poor as a kid, did not have anything to spend or something to play with. This world is about money, so when you're offered those millions, you take them. Few people will ever earn so many. I am one of the fortunates who do. I may be one of the worst buys in the history of the Premiership, but I don't care. Good for him, man. He just ran down his contract.

He subsequently wrote a book. I'm not going to say it in English because it's or in Dutch, actually. But essentially his autobiography is called This N-Word Bowels for No Man, which is a pretty fucking cool name for a book because he's's like, you know, he's had this quite tough life, had loads of shit for just Chelsea giving him a bad contract, but you find me someone who wouldn't take this. Like, he played like 12 times in four years, and he got like 10 million quid, so. Why are they blaming him for his contract?

He didn't create his own contract. What is he supposed to do? Give the money back to like, the rich cunts? Like, give me a break, this guy should be president. This guy doesn't have to do a deal. Not the big orange fucking baby. Like, this guy fucking rules. Get him in charge. What's he doing now? He's probably fucking... Do you know what he's doing now? Chilling. No, he was actually assistant manager at Yong IACS.. So he's still in football back at IACS. But I mean, yeah, fair enough.

Yeah. Fifteen million. I mean, you're set. You can just do whatever. Like, you know, if he wants to stay in football, cool. But like, it's not his fault that his contract was like that. If like, like you said, like if somebody gave me a contract, saying I'm going to give you 15 million bucks over four years. Um, I would of course sign it.

Yeah. And if they never played me, I'd be like, okay, fine. Whatever. But also that contract could be exhausting and you know, awful. Like the point is that in a sense, like them not playing him. Okay. Maybe he was amazing. Maybe that was the best time.

He was maybe he could have been worth more. No, he wasn't. We never got to know. The point is that it could have gone either way though. Right? Like in a sense, he didn't, you never imagine they'd worked him to death over those four years or really like giving him a play to him every game. He has to play in goal every game. She'll get relegated season after season. That'd be fantastic. Yeah. Well, that's the classic way to like get someone to quit in Japan or something. Right. Isn't it? You know, it's like attrition, right?

They just, they try to like psych them out, give them like really crappy jobs, give them, show them like a really passively miserable time and just hope for that they quit that is, that's, that the way. That's how they do it. Yeah. Make him like wear the mascot uniform and do the half time show, make him clean up the stadium after the game. Like until he actually quits himself. That's the way to do it. Loads of things they could have done to get some value out of it. So they tried to piss him off by making him train with the under-21s and never playing him. And just, you know, they tried.

Adam Sandler should make a movie about this because this just sounds like an Adam Sandler movie. It sounds like Happy Gilmore, but it's football and they're trying to get rid of them and they put them with the under-21s and they just have the best time. They're all giving each other wedgies and high-fiving and stuff. And all their plans backfire. And so I guess he turned up for trading every day to honour his contract to the letter. To the letter. Like, it's like a malicious compliance thing. Yes.

He's like, I'm gonna get paid regardless. I mean, I honestly have massive respect. It's just four years. Who gives a shit if the bastards at Chelsea are upset about this contract? Don't fucking sign players in 40 grand a week. Okay, hang on a second though. I feel like what I'm getting a vibe of now is, what if this had happened at AFC Bournemouth? Oh well, no, no. So, a bad deal is a bad deal. And I genuinely do not blame Winster-Bohr-Harder. And we've had players that we've signed and we've paid a lot of money for and they were dogshit. It happens. I am not in any way saying that this is favouritism. The fact that it

happened at Chelsea adds a little cherry on top, because I fucking hate Chelsea, so don't get me wrong. I delight extra in the fact that this happened to Chelsea, but if it happened at Bournemouth, I'd be like, it sucks, but we shouldn't assign. I would be angrier with the person who signed the deal. I wouldn't be angry with the player for taking it. Anyone would take it. Anyway, I've got another sport one.

And then we're all done. I just want to say quickly before you move on to the next one. I was in London with my family and I were, I was like a while back, we were joking around at breakfast because we were like, you know, planning the day. And uh, I was like, I had, I had maps open. I was like, Oh, let's go to, let's go to the Chelsea football ground and stuff. You know, cause like none of my family is, is at all into football. My son's not into it at nobody. So I was just joking around, you know, trying to think of like things

that they would absolutely not want to do, just wind them up a bit or whatever. And then one of this like one of the staff in the hotel comes over and he was like, Oh, are you guys going to go to the Chelsea football ground? It's amazing. It's so much fun. I'm a huge fan as well, obviously. So I'm a bit biased, but it's great. You love it. Like, it's great. You love it Like it's incredible. I was like Yeah, I was just joking like anybody wants to go see it but like thanks for letting me know, you know

And then the whole trip every time we saw him he's like, hey you been yet? No Sorry, we didn't get a chance like fuck, it was so awkward. It was funny though. But just shows you shouldn't joke about certain things. Yeah, it wasn't even a funny joke. Like, you know, I was just I was just farting around, you know, but it backfired big time anyway. So so the next sport one is a guy called Bobby Bonilla or Bobby Bonilla. I heard of Bobby Bonilla. Is he a baseball player?

He's a baseball player. Ah? He's a baseball player. Ah, Bobby's sound. Sounds right. That is a baseball player name, isn't it? It is. I'll be stepping up next to the plate, Bobby Bonilla. He's batting 2-2 and he's on a four game hitting streak. And he's out.

Alright, so here's Bobby Bonilla. In 2000, the Mets agreed, so he had this contract, and the Mets wanted him off the team and off the payroll. One of the reasons for that, that you do them baseball is there's a limit on how many players you can have on your active roster. And if someone has like a major league contract, they'll often have a clause in there, which means you can't just send them down to the lower divisions. So you couldn't take a Bobby Banilla and say, you're playing in the triple A team, like one of our farm

teams, because we just want to get you off our roster so we can bring someone else up. He'll be like, no, I'm not going. So you just stuck with him. So a lot of the time you want to trade him away, even if it's an unfavorable trade, just to get rid of these contracts and the salary cap and all the rest of it. The Mets in 2001 to get rid of Bobby Banilla, they agree to buy out the remaining six million on his contract, six million dollars. But they don't want to give him the six million all at once. So they say, how about this? We'll make annual payments of one point two million dollars for twenty five years. But that doesn't start until July 1st, 2001. And there's an 8% interest rate

on there. And at the time, the Mets ownership was heavily invested in a Bernie Madoff account that promised huge returns and they were going to make a massive amount of money. So they were like, we don't care about money. We're going to make a fortune with this Bernie Madoff shit. Just pay Bobby Banilla off. Give him some. I don't care. So fucking get the dinner lady to write the deal. And this is what they came up with. So every day on July 1st, Bobby Manila gets paid his one point two million dollars every single day and will be until 2035. Wow. The Mets sort of when he'll be 72, by the way.

Jesus. And that's not the only deferred contract he has. He also gets money from like multiple other clubs for other, you know, things that he was involved in. Max Scherzer was a player who also played for the Mets, played for the Nationals. He's going to get paid out 105 million dollars to 2028. Manny Ramirez, 24.2 million through 2026. It's insane. I mean, these guys didn't even Bobby Biddle, I don't think even played very much for the Mets, but to get that kind of cash. Yeah, that's crazy. What kind of deal is that? Just give him the six. Even if you said to him, we're going to pay you a million a year for 10 years, he'd be better off. And he would say, yes. Why did you sign up for 25 years?

Crazy madness. I don't need a deal like this. These are the kind of deals I'm looking for. Something, you know, 25 years, couple million each year. Perfect. No problem. That'd be great. Oh, that is absolutely insane. And it's got an interest rate attached to it as well. So it's even compounding.

So it's like inflation proofing or something. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fuckin' hell. Respect. It's just, it's about that time. Well done, Bobby. You could tell those guys, the guys in charge were so greedy with all these investors. They obviously wanted to put any money they had at the time into Bernie's scam. Yeah, exactly.

And so they didn't want to pay off, they didn't want to pay him right now. We could put this money instead of paying him, we could put the money in the scam instead. And so their greed meant that they were willing to do, and also it's the classic example of old white men pushing the problem off to the next generation. It's It's like, it's like, oh, we, in 10 years time, we won't be part of this guys anymore. You know, we might not be part of it in five years time. So let's just pay him in 10 years. It's insane. And like such a high rate as well. I mean, they're going to end up paying so much. He's going to be 72 years old when it finally expires. Wowzers. Pretty crazy. finally expires. Yeah. Wowzers.

Pretty crazy. That's nuts. Damn. I'm jealous. I wish I had that. So the next one is Ronald Wayne, which is a more famous one, I thought, a drop in so that people can go, I was going to say, Ronald Wayne. Ronald Wayne was one of the three original members of Apple. Right. Along with Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak.

So they were just kids. They were like 21, 22 incomes, Wayne, and he's 41. He's got a bit of experience. He he, you know, he's he's got some experience with electronics and stuff like that. He's been like a product development manager. He developed some video games when he was at Atari. So he's an experienced guy. He's a wise development manager. He developed some video games when he was at Atari. So he's an experienced guy. He's a wise old head. The two Steve's are like a couple of Tasmanian devils just

flying. Just trying to get it. You know, they're super excited. They're just constantly working. And Wayne's already lost a bit of money previously. And he reluctantly comes in for a 10% stake so that the Steve's get 45 each. He gets 10. So he's the tiebreaker whenever they make a company decision. Right. It's on Wayne. So he was, he listed himself as the adult in the room. He gets cold feet about the business. They've got this deal with some company to make money. And apparently they quite often don't pay up. He's exposed financially. So he gets worried and he dips and he sells his shares for $800 to the two Steve's. He buys out of the company. If he had not done that, that 10% of Apple

would have been worth something like $90 billion or something insane like that. Oh my God, man. So yes, Robin Wayne got cold feet and had to dip. It's a poor lad, I guess. How much did he have invested that his cold feet would like 800 bucks? Right. But so here's the thing. Well, he's so desperate to get 800 bucks for it because they didn't have any assets.

The Steve's and he did. And as he was part of the company, if they'd had some winding up order and they owed people money, they would seize his assets to repay the debt. Oh, so like what, he had a house and a car and stuff? Yeah, exactly. And he'd been burned on a previous business thing where he was like, look, I can't have this happen again. And he said that he found it working with them incredibly stressful.

And he said that if he had not sold, he would have been the richest guy in the cemetery. So what he's implying is that if he had stayed on, he would have died of stress and it wouldn't have mattered. He would never have really seen much benefit from the money. I mean, that's one way to sort of mitigate the mental damage. There's a thing with this stuff, it's investments and all this stuff, no one could tell the future. Right. And the classic example would be like Warren Buffett saying, time in the market is better than timing the market. Right. There's a classic, you know, thing about that. And the thing about timing the market is you have to do it twice, right? You have to predict when it's at its highest to sell. And you have to also predict when it's at its lowest to get out And you have to also predict when it's at its lowest

to get out. Or if somebody just gives you a heads up like 20 minutes before something's going to happen. Right. Like if you remember the US government or something. It's always got to be tricky. And a lot of people do these things called dollar cost averaging, where they slowly invest over a long period of time. They get the average price over the year. Or they just make regular investments. That's the other thing people do is they set up a little thing where it pays a certain

amount into the investment every week and then you just forget about it. I think it can be very stressful thinking about these types of things and worrying about this stuff. I don't know, like this guy, it does seem like, it doesn't seem to me like he would have been that liable. If you buy into a company, I don't think that they can, if the company goes bankrupt, they can come and take your house. I guess it depends.

But certainly if you borrow money, they can. And if that $800 he'd borrowed, then, yeah, I'm sure he had his reasons. But you have to live with your choices. You can't tell the future. And maybe he would have died of stress. Who knows? But these are really interesting. I never heard of him. No, I hadn't. I did some of these reads. Some of these I'd heard, some of these I hadn't. because Bobby Vanilla Day is fast approaching. It's like the 1st of July. Wow. And I was just thought it's the 1st of May and the Mets are having a terrific start to the season. We're like the best team in baseball. So it just popped into my head. But the new owners of the Mets are like embracing it and they're going to celebrate Bobby Vanilla

Day at the stadium and have like a big thing and you know, play up to it rather than try and pretend it's not happening. They could probably, you know, just getting everybody into the stadium, buying concessions and stuff like that. They could probably foot the bill for Bobby. It's buy a burger for Bobby. Yeah, it's just like turns into like a charitable event. We can't really afford to pay Bobby anymore. Can you come in and leave a couple of... Do some loose change behind, please? Well, I tell you what, they definitely can afford to pay Bobby, because 1.2 million a

year is nothing when they're paying Kwan Soto, I think, is on 750 million dollars. Fucking hell. That's pretty crazy. Wow. The world is just changed, isn't it? It is. Maybe they were right after all. $10,000,000. Wow. The world is just changed, isn't it? Maybe they were right after all. There's, I mean, you always hear about these classic bad deals in terms of like business

rate of like MySpace selling to News Corp when it was like at its highest. What was all stuff launching like that American TikTok, like Quibi or something? Do you remember that? That was like a big flop. It was like a big flop. It was like a $2 billion company. Basically it was like, it's a LA mobile only, it was like a TikTok or like a Vine type thing. And it was just massive. These things, they're, it's, it's kind of crazy because like they, they seek out investment

for these things quickly, right? They spin up like a ton of money and it's, but it is such a gamble. Like there's no, there's absolutely no guarantee that this will take off in any way, shape or form. But then when you build something like that in the first place, it means that it's always going to be like that. So like a big part of the business will always just be scrounging around for investment constantly, you know, rather than sort of building it up from nothing into something that is like

a bit more sustainable. It's a weird one, isn't it? Tech very much goes that way, I feel like. I don't know an awful lot about it. You know the way they say that fusion power has been 10 years away for decades, right? Or two years away or some stupid thing like that. Just like that idiot Musk has been saying that self-driving cars in the next two years or whatever they're going to happen. He's been saying that for like 10 fucking years anyway. I feel like there's this constant thing in tech

where even though this company has never made a penny, it's worth a fortune because of some future idea of money. And it's just this constant speculation about the, oh, they've got so many users. Yeah, but you're not fucking making it. Like if you had a business that said, we sell ice cream, really, how many people buy your ice cream? A billion people buy our ice cream every year. Wow, that's incredible. How much money do you make? Oh, we don't make money. We sell the ice cream at a massive loss. We're just growing our ice cream consumer base.

And then we'll figure out how to make money off it. You fucking idiot. Mason- Here's the way it's a Ponzi scheme, right? The way they do it is, these companies like, well, like Facebook, you know, didn't make a cent, but then it buys into something which is growing and is the next Ponzi. It's WhatsApp. And then they buy up the next thing, like the VR headsets, whatever. And then it's the next thing. There's always a rising thing that could be the next big thing and they're always buying that. So they're always staying ahead of the scam. It doesn't matter that all of their stuff behind them is eventually dead or dying or

going to collapse or maybe worthless, as long as they're on the next thing already. It's also a classic person scam. These companies might well be worth nothing, but they're run by people. These people often, the people who run them, certainly a big company like Disney, they've got loads of money and loads of people on their board. The people on the board of Disney want our people and they want to get that Disney money out. What they'll do is they'll go into these startups, they'll find these little startups, they'll get on the board of those, they'll get an 10% investment on them. And then they'll convince

the board of Disney to buy that out. And that makes the Disney money, their money. You understand? So if you're an exec or if you're someone who's directing these big companies that have huge amounts of money, a way to extract the money out of it is to buy your companies that you've seeded. Yeah, basically what happened to Maker Studios back in the day. That was bought out by Disney and then it lasted for like a couple of months under Disney and then they closed it. So funny. Alright, do you want another one? But there's tons and tons of little clever...

They're like magic tricks, right? These little things. But it's just the way the world is constructed. But the magic tricks were when he goes, Ta-da! You will go, what the fuck are you doing? Like I said, it's not a good trip. No.

It's just shit, isn't it? It's just a way to fucking lose money anyway. So have you guys heard of Jean Calment? No. A woman, a French woman? No. Guy Tupperware? Jean Guy Tupperware.

Jean Guy Tupperware. Drinking his Pepsi and riding his polar bear through the great north. What a guy. What did you say? Jean Paul Gaultier? What did you say? Jean Calment. Jean Calment.

I'll say it in English. Jean Calment. All right. Oh, Jean Calment. Yeah, I? Jean Calment. Jean Calment. Jean Calment. Oh, I'll say it in English. Jean Calment. All right. Oh, right. Jean Calment. Yeah, I know. Jean Calment. So Jean Calment was the oldest person that's ever lived. Right. She lived to 122. I thought she was a Spanish lady that lived the longest.

So she was born in 1875. Right. And she died in 1997. Her husband died in 1942. So she'd been a widow much longer than she was married for. She had one child who also died much in 1934, so she had quite a sad life. Oh my god. Yeah, she lived 122 years, 164 days. Oh, I remember this. I told her about this the other day, but did you tell her, was this a story about Andre Francois Raffray,

a French lawyer? I don't remember. I just remember it being, I told it half, I told it half. Wait, are we still doing the bad deals thing? Yes. So she's 90 years old and she's got this property. She has no living air. She's got this nice property and this lawyer comes to her and says, you don't want to buy the house because she's living in it. So he says, all right, here's the deal. I'll give you 330 pound a month until you die. All right.

And after that time you leave me the apartment. So this lad was 47 at the time. He's thinking she's 90. She could die in four or five years time. He's 47. He pays her this money on this agreement that at the end of, uh, you know, her life, he gets the house. She says, no problem. Signs a deal.

Great deal at 90. As far as I'm concerned, great deal. Yeah. Um, 30 years later, she's still going. He dies. And she's still going. He dies at the age of 77. Oh no. And she's still going at 120. Not only that, but after she's died, the family of the lawyer had to keep paying her for two more years until she finally died at 122. And then they got the apartment.

And then they got it. But they think that the house was worth about half of what they'd paid her over that time. Yeah. Well, yeah, I don't think the, I don't think he expected to pay for that long. Like you said, he thought probably four or five years and then, you know. And then done. Yeah. Yeah. This is a classic thing is the mortgage. You know, it's a French word, isn't it? Or whatever it means. It's got death in it, right? More is death.

Also has a gauge in it as well. Death pledge. And gauge. So I guess the idea is you're supposed to... It's a bit like a will. It's something newer, you know? You got the ma. Your mother.

Anyway. Amazing. Yeah, that's crazy. That's so unlucky. Well, I mean, lucky and unlucky, I guess. They basically put a 32 year in the mortgage. Huge gamble. Yeah, that's crazy. That's so unlucky. Well, I mean lucky. Lucky and unlucky, I guess. They basically put a 32 year mortgage on this house and ended up paying twice as much for it.

Yeah. It sounds like my current mortgage. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, that's unfortunate. From big events to silly moments captured every day, doesn't it sometimes feel like unfortunate. It's easy to upload unlimited photos directly from your phone. So your favorite memories are always within view. I have got an Aura frame at my home, at my lounge. I've got one at my mom's house and I can upload new pictures every day. Every day I'm doing something interesting and my family can upload stuff to mine. It's great. It's really social. It's really sweet. It's a great gift.

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Me and my wife, we is trying to quit smoking. So we said we'd only do it. We'd only smoke after sex. I had the same peck since 1978. My wife, she's on three packs a day. So this is the this is the final bad deal because it's quite a long one. So I thought I don't want to tie up the whole fucking podcast with this. But so this is called the Darien scheme. Have you ever heard of the Darien scheme? Never are I E.N. No, I have.

OK, well, I'll tell it to, I guess, Sips and and any members of the audience. You haven't heard of it. This was an idea that the Scottish had. Scottish government and all the landed nobility were like, everyone else is setting up these fucking colonies. We should do that too. We should get out there and colonise some of these fucking new world we've heard all about. And there's this great place I could tell you about. It's called the Darien Gap. The Isthmus of Darien it's called. And they decide to go there. It's a dumb...

It's basically a hellhole. It's a swamp-rid, disease-ridden, mosquito-infested shit hole. Even today. Yes, it's terrible. This is like the story of Shrek, who was... So, yeah, I'll let you carry on, but basically the Darien Gap still exists today. There's a road all the way from Alaska, all the way down to, all the way through America, Central America, all the way down through Panama. And then it stops.

And then there's a thing called the Darien Gap, which is basically a jungle filled with swamps and tropical disease and disaster. And then it picks up again in Columbia and goes all the way back down. So you can't drive across America. And it's amazing really, even now that no one's all road through it. Obviously it's a common smuggling route for people to drive land rovers through, but even then it's very difficult to get through even today. It's a shithole, right? So the first expedition, they sent five ships, 1200 people head off to set up this colony. The journey around Scotland for those kept below deck was so traumatic that some colonists thought it comparable to the worst parts of the entire experience in Darien.

Right. So things are off to a bad start. Even just getting away from Scotland is like, oh my God, this sucks. They sail across the Atlantic and they settle there. They christen their new home Caledonia, declaring, We do here settle, and in the name of God establish ourselves, and in honour and for the memory of that most ancient and renowned name of our mother country, we do and will from henceforward call this country by the name of Caledonia, and we shall have success together. Huzzah!

And they build this fort. Fort St. Andrew had 50 cannons, but no fresh water. Okay. Okay. It's kind of a bit of a problem. They are ready for a fight, but they are not ready to be thirsty. And they have a harbor that's really not good because the tides could easily wreck ships coming and going.

And because this colony is kind of close to the Spanish empire, who's moving silver all around, they're kind of worried that the Spanish might get involved. And the English are reluctant to help them too much because they don't want to piss off the Spanish. Everybody's doing this land grab and sending shit up and down over the Atlantic. Bosh, bosh, bosh, bosh. You don't want to make enemies with the Spanish where they suddenly start blasting your little trade ships out of the water. So the Scots are basically on their own. They set this up. I'm going to summarize this bit because it's very long, but just imagine that the mortality rate in this colony rises to 10 settlers a day.

Jason Vale Jesus! Jason Vale Dinos. Jason Vale Malaria, fevers, miserable, miserable conditions. News has not got home about how badly this has gone. They have not told the Scottish public as far as they're concerned. Everything's going fine and all the measures they send are great. So yeah, it's really not good. No news is good news. Exactly. He's instructed the Dutch and English colonies do not help them. We do not want to anger the Spanish. So please don't do it.

Everybody's getting drunk. They're dying of dysentery, fever. Their food is infested with worms. It's rotting. They don't know what the fuck they're doing. After eight months, just eight months, the colony is completely abandoned, except for six men who were too weak to move. And then they get the fuck out of there.

And of the 1200 settlers, they just fled back to Scotland. Only 300 survived. Oh my god. So yeah, they basically fucking tried to get home as fast as they could. In August 1699, the Olive Branch and the hopeful beginning, that's the two ships, with 300 settlers arrived in Darien to find ruined huts and 400 overgrown graves expecting a bustling town. The ship's captains debate their next move.

One of their ships is destroyed by an accidental fire. Everybody gets the fuck out of Don and goes to Jamaica and they're not allowed ashore because everybody's ill. So they just have to stay on board the ship like one of those plague ships. So, word of the first expedition still hasn't made it back to Scotland in time to prevent a second voyage of a thousand people who are now setting off for Caledonia after this perilous route round the north of Scotland. Mason- And here's the thing, this second set probably are not necessarily pioneering. Right, these aren't the hardy folk. These guys are expecting a town, right?

Yeah, exactly. It's like the accountants and the hairdressers and stuff are on their way down. Yeah, you send the hardy boys out first, it's like, lads, it's going to be a tough five years, but we're going to build a town for Scotland and to bring our people back here. And they get there and it's a fucking disaster. They get there. It's a fucking disaster. They realize how bad it is and they just can't believe it. It's like the end of days. They've lost all this money and essentially they, after a whole bunch of other things, they surrendered to the Spanish and they abandon the fort. They have to leave the guns, they have to leave the colony and just a handful of those people from the second expedition returned to Scotland of the total 2500 people that set off from

Scotland, just a few hundred survived. So it was an absolute disaster. But where does the bad deal come in is that in order to pay off this this incredible debt that the nobles had incurred in attempting the Darien fiasco. They had to sign the Act of Union and basically give over everything they pretty much had to the English. So we sort of got them on our currency and we basically paid them a bit of money to offset any future liability and stuff.

But essentially, they were stuck. Yeah. So the Scots basically had to join us. Oh, my God. Because of the fucking Darien scheme. I've summarized it poorly, but it's a very long article. But the more you read it, the funnier it gets. Just the tragedy.

What a mess. It's so tragic. It's hilarious to me. Like if something is that tragic, just imagine these people setting off. They're like full of hope. Haven't received any letters from Papa yet, Mother. Oh, he's probably busy running his successful lumberjack business. A thriving toon awaits us.

We Agnes, didn't worry yourself. Not you, Elspeth. We're going to Caledonia. It's going to be fantastic. And then he gets there and it's just, death, decay, tumbleweeds and graves. Six people dragging themselves across the ground. Brains is like 28 days later. What the fuck? Let's get out of here. And then the Spanish come charging out of the trees. Oh, so sad. Was this, yeah, there's loads of more bits about this. Like, the Spanish

did actually even attack them. Yeah. It was like a final assault on the way. And they were like, fine, we'll leave. And they all died on board the ship. Not only, not only the, the, the Spanish could have just left them alone and they would have all died. It wasn't the way you did things back then, was it? No. Between 15 and 40% of all capital in Scotland was invested in this project. Yeah, it's insane. So the country was so bankrupt that they had to join the, you know, for deeper and deeper connections with England and now of course the union and everything.

Well, this was obviously at a time when there were only 5,000 people in New York. So it was pretty early on colonization of the Americas, but poor I guess Scotland needed to get in on the colonization efforts, right? Along with everyone else, but they, it was just a, was just not a very successful trip. That's brilliant. I love, love that. Oh, it's a great story. You're welcome. This is like proper podcast. I feel like for the first time in my life, it feels like I'm on an actual podcast

and not just telling you guys what I did last week in a very boring, uh, boring way. I love that we've had something interesting to talk about for once that isn't just the usual stuff. It's been really nice. Mason- I guess there's also tons of bad deals throughout history in terms of stuff being bought. Because I think Manhattan Island was bought from one of the tribes for about $25 worth

of goods or something. So that was actually one of the things that came up quite consistently. There's a couple of those, a lot of those in North America. The Louisiana Purchases one, the Russians sold Alaska before gold was found. There were all these kinds of things. So the purchase of Manhattan, which I think it was to the Dutch, I believe, because it was New Amsterdam, wasn't it, before it was New York. When they bought it from the indigenous North Americans, people were like, oh, they did it for a handful of beads, but they did it for what was used as money at the time. So they did. It was

money for those native tribes. It's just relative to what Manhattan is worth now. But, you know, equally, why didn't, you know, why aren't we laughing at one of the early settlers for not just cornering off the entirety of where fucking Trump towers would be and all these other places and building buildings there and handing it down to his family? Because you can't tell. No. Do you know what I mean? It's not like you could say, well, I bet someone's going to build the Empire State Building here one day. This is going to be the, this is going to be Wall Street. I'm going to buy this land. No one fucking knows. And to the native tribes as well, they're like, well, it's just Manhattan, I mean, look how

big America is. There's so much fucking land. I'm sure we can go share and get along. I did a sense, I think exactly, I think that was probably their idea. That's what Bill and Ted should have done, when they could go back in time in the phone booth. They should have done that. They could have gotten up all that real estate. Man, they would be so rich.

Yeah. Yeah, we're totally rich now, dude. Or something. I don't know. It's a classic example of, I think it's taken us on two things. It's to show, it's exploitative colonialism, right? But it's also kind of, I guess, something historically being used being used to say, look how stupid they are doing business. It's one of those things that's slightly racist. Also, I imagine it's a similar

vibe to Hong Kong, where the UK set up an island off the coast of a country they wanted to do trade with. It was a classic thing thing. And you saw a lot of colonies, like Goa in India, the Portuguese set up as a kind of trading post. And it was common to have these things around the world. I don't think necessarily the tribe realized that. Jason Vale Hong Kong was originally set up, though, with the guarantee that it would be given back in the future, right? Jason Vale It's true, yeah. Someone like the Mets did that. You will. We'll get it for now.

And you get it back in a hundred years when I'm dead. And it's like, everyone's cool with that. Yeah. Oh shit. I live 230 years old. Kill me. I don't want to live longer than this. Yeah. It's crazy. Man, history is so interesting, isn't it? When you're younger, you just think, fuck, this is so boring. But actually I find the older I get, the more interested, the less interested I am in fiction and the more interested I am in actual history and people like documentaries and stuff like.

I mean, I feel like if in history, if you think about the way that history is taught quite often, and certainly in my experience, I don't know if it's changed that much. I've certainly spoken to my kids about the history they're doing at secondary school and stuff. Is that a lead into learning about the era of colonialization, colonization, colonial, the colonial era, learning about that. If you open with an interesting story like that, I think you get people more invested and the kids, because you can't just say like, our children are in 1750, the king of blah blah blah, there's no human connection to it. It all seems so grand. Whereas if you

have this very sad story, which is also kind of funny in a sad way. I mean, it feels like a Wes Anderson film could be made about the expedition, but. We learned a lot about colonization at school because that's our whole heritage in Canada. Of course. It was colonialism and the British and the French. And it was pretty interesting. But I mean, we, that was when we did history, that's what we learned. You know, like

that was like the main, the main, main topic, of course, world wars and stuff as well. And, and other things, but that was like the, you know, this is how Canada came to be. This is like the important stuff. So it was pretty interesting. Like even, even when I was a kid, it was quite interesting because it was like, it was kind of, it was kind of exciting to think, you know, much, a bit like how, you know, we're thinking about space and things now, you know,

back then going to the new world was not at all easy. You know, it would take weeks to get there. You had to have supplies to get there. You had to have people who knew what they were doing, not only to get there, but then when you actually got there, they had to be able to build things and do stuff and it, you know, it was all like a bit of a gamble and maybe aspects of it were all very seat of the pants too. Oh, it's crazy. Maybe aspects of it were all very seat of the pants, too. Oh, yeah. You know, you were just hoping that things would turn out.

And yeah, it's it's it's really interesting. I mean, I appreciate it again, probably a lot more now that I'm older and I learn more about it sort of thing. But I remember being fairly interested even when I was young. But I was really interested in the history that I was interested in, if you know what I mean. When it was just, here are the children of kings and queens, it was just boring. It was just names and dates and who their offspring was. I'm never going to remember all this. I really don't care.

It's just like looking at some other family's family tree. Why is it important that I know this? What was the influence of what they did just beyond who they were and when they died? What was the deal? Tell me more. Give me a more human story to connect to. And then put that into a video game that I can replay and make my own decisions. Preferably a platformer, actually. Just give me a cheater platformer actually. Yes.

Just give me a cheater platformer. Ew! Ew! That's the queen getting hit by something I assume. I'm not ball rolling! If you crack an egg, Henry VIII pops out and you can ride on his back like Yoshi. I think it's really interesting to know what people's blind spots are, right? Like I was talking to someone who...

Mine is behind me. Sure, I've talked... Unless you're like a chameleon, I guess, where you can have 360 degree vision. People just sometimes don't, and we're not exposed to a thing, and they don't know about a thing. And it's fine. Whether you've not watched Star Wars, or you've... A person I know doesn't know what the deck of cards is.

They don't really know what the Jack and Queen and King is. They don't know what that means. And obviously the reality is that it depends on the game. For some reason we've just decided they're all 10s most of the time, but there is an order to them and it's arbitrary. And there's other stuff that people have missing from their knowledge. But for a long time, our brains are extended by things like a calculator. Even when we

were at school, we were allowed to take calculators into certain exams. That was a fairly new thing I imagine in the 90s. But I'm sure it's understood now and it's kind of an extension of our mind. I can't do the square root of 277 in my head. But I'm sure some humans can, if they've been really well trained at doing that kind of thing. Or someone can at least guess it, but they can't. It's tough, but a calculator is something we've had for years and is very specialized in doing that. And I feel like AI is supposed to be the next step in that, right? It's the idea that it's aggregated thousands and thousands of books and articles and all this crap. And it's kind of being shoved down our throats too now. Like, you know, you fucking... I don't know why companies want us to use AI so much. On WhatsApp, they've added,

you can do an AI meta search at the top of your thing now. And every time you Google search something, it gives you a little AI result. And my question is, and maybe there's an answer to this, is that supposed to be better? Is it supposed to save carbon by doing that? Rather than going to the website and finding the answer yourself and milling around? Is it supposed to just save time? Because it doesn't think, I don't think it is. And the second thing is, it's, again, we've talked about this a lot. It's just wrong. So often it doesn't understand. And it's not, and I think a lot of people. It speaks with this grammatical authority that we only associate with well-read people.

It speaks like it's fucking David Attenborough. Well, you know what? The fucking AI cost me two pints the other the other night. Tell me more. Me and me and well, pretty much everyone in the office, including yourself, young Lulu went to the pub. We went to get some pints after work and we were talking about celebrity crushes. And we were asking who were our first celebrity crushes when we were young.

It's a kind of compensation you have at the pub. Classic conversation that we've had on this podcast. Exactly. Everybody's had it. And I said that one of my very early ones, I would have been, gosh, by the time I saw the film, 12 or 13, and I had a huge crush on Jennifer Connolly in Labyrinth, which came out in 1986. And I was a very young lad, it was on the telly, recorded on VHS, and I was in love with Jennifer Connolly. And we were like, how old was she in that? Because she was very young. This was like her first big role. And I used AI to find the result. I just said, I asked my phone, how old was Jennifer Connolly in Labyrinth?

And it said 16. And Tom had guessed that she was younger than 16. And I said, I think I'm pretty sure she was 16. The next day, Tom comes in and does that. Tom, look, he goes, um, you owe me two pints. And I was like, why? And he showed me that he'd looked it up. She was 14 when they made Labyrinth, but the character was 16. Now the AI didn't fucking notice this difference and just gave me this wrong answer. And more and more the AI overview is the top result and it's broken down, bullet pointed and it has references and it looks like it knows what the fuck it's doing, but you're right. It has no cocking idea. It's a fucking idiot.

Have you heard, speaking of celebrity crushes, um? Have you heard the bad news? Yes. Billy Ray Cyrus. Something happened to this guy. You read my fucking mind. Billy Ray Cyrus and Liz Hurley are a couple. Yeah. Yeah. And have been for like four months. Yeah. They're like super close now. Like they were on the set of filming something. He's like, it was love at first sight and all this shit. And yeah, Billy Ray Cyrus. That did break my heart. My breaky, breaky heart. My breaky, breaky heart was fully breakied.

Fully breakied. Yeah. You're in hell. I'm, I'm, I'm dead inside. Yeah, me too. I've died. My insides have all died. They've withered away.

Although we can't really complain. It's, it's quite. It's quite age appropriate. It's not like she's dating a 21 year old. Yeah, she's like 59, he's 63. Yeah, no, I mean- But it's Billy Ray Cyrus. So- More importantly, it's my beloved Liz Hurley.

Yeah. Unbelievable. That's the appalling thing. Yeah. Unbelievable. Anyway- Freaking believable. He's a Colonel.

Why is he a Colonel? Like Colonel Sanders? Colonel, says on his Wikipedia page, US honorary title. It's like like, I guess it's like Colonel Saunders. Billy Ray Cyrus. How many tours did Billy Ray do? How many what? How many tours? How many tours? Yeah. How many tours has he done?

How about my third tour of Tennessee? I've been touring the brewery here. Yeah, you got a tour there. Billy Ray. So I don't know. Like I obviously, I feel like, you know, we are in, we are, people have better blind spots and I don't, and history and sometimes you guys might, might think, oh, I've never heard of this thing they're talking about.

And it's just, it's just, it's just, it's very common. And I think also it has to be passion-led, right? Like sometimes when I was at school, I just didn't want to take shit in, you know? Like sometimes some lessons there would be, I just, I would be like, I can't, I can't, I'm really struggling to learn this stuff. And it's just cause I wasn't interested in it. I was like that most of the year. And then for like the last two weeks of the year leading up to exams, I would go fucking nuts, like learning everything, studying and everything. And then I

would just every year I would just squeak by. I'd get like 51% of my tests and stuff. But there was some motivation for you to do that, right? Whether it was getting in trouble with your parents or them giving you some sort of incentive reward for doing it. Yeah, basically, I just didn't want to be Billy Madison one day. I wanted to get through it. Who's that? Would be like, um...

You don't know who Billy Madison is? No. Is that one of your blind spots? What? Is it Adam Sandler? You've never seen that movie, you flack? No. I don't like Adam Sandler's movies.

It's not worth watching, I would say. It's it was it was pretty funny when I was a teenager and I watched it recently. And there's parts of it that are funny, like Norm Macdonald's in it. Right. Oh, wait, it's not the one where it has the line. What you just said was one of the dumbest things. Yes. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't I don't like his comedic acting because I just feel like it's it's really, really bad. I don't, I don't like his comedic acting because I just feel like it's, it's really, really bad. I don't know how else to put it. I know. He does funny voices.

But that was his thing at the time. It's just not for me is what I'm saying. Like I just think it's... Well, I don't think he's doing that these days. No, he's grown up with it. But hey, I think as far as I can tell, everybody loves him. He's like, he was a lovely guy and everything, but I just never found him funny. I didn't like his songs, I didn't like his comedy, I didn't think he was good on Saturday Night Live, I just thought he was kind of meh. Do you want some loose news?

Hell yes! But newsflash. Okay, so let me load up the document. P-Flex, you'll be delighted to know, and I'm sure you've already been linked this by tons of our listeners, the Minecraft movie is getting new screenings that actively encourage wild behaviour. I fucking told you bud! Nice! So this sometimes happens. It happened with another movie, I can't remember which one it was, but...

It's not going to have the same vibe though, if they know that they're allowed to do it. It's called Minecraft Movie Block Party. They want you to scream at certain points in the movie, toss popcorn, bring real chickens. It's encouraging some specific rowdy showings on Fridays, where fans are encouraged to get loose, sing along, and cheer as much as they want. Right. Those are gonna all be fucking empty, by the way. No, I don't.

I genuinely think that they could be pretty, pretty crazy. I feel like everybody's who wanted to do that has done it already, though. You know, like, I don't think they well, maybe I could be wrong. But I don't know. We'll see. But I do. I do think embracing the cinema as a place where you get to have something more than just, you know what I mean? For a fucking movie that rowdy kids want to watch. Well this is exactly what you saw.

Have you ever been shushed at a movie before? I'm normally the shusher. Oh my god, I got shushed recently. Did you? Yeah, yeah. During the trailers though. Were you not using your inside voice when you were indoors. Some people love the trailers, it turns out.

But anyway, fuck off. I mean, if people are chatting during the ads and the trailers, I don't give a fuck. The trailers, I'll be watching them, but it's the ads on the trailers. Everybody's going to be quiet for a while. I don't mind some chat. Some people love the ads. Some people come to the cinema online, specifically to watch ads. If you care about the trailers, why don't mind some people love the ads. Some people come to the cinema specifically to watch ads. If you care about the trailers, why don't you watch them online ahead of time?

Dingus. Losers. I think it's crazy. Like I, it's crazy that your expectation when you go somewhere that has other people in it is silence. People is going to be completely silent. Is mad. That is weird. It is. That is weird.

It is weird. It is weird. You expect people to make some noise sometimes, you know, like it's going to happen. Maybe. Did I tell you guys I was on another podcast? I did, right? I told you last week. Yeah, you told us.

Yeah, we were furious about it. I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Were you cheating on it? Yeah, I was on Yom. I was on Yom. Oh, great. Great podcast. So next on the news is I saw this piece of news and I assume you have as well because it was quite big. A 27 year old climber, a Chinese chap, I think was visiting Japan and

climbing Mount Fuji. And I don't know if you know, but it's like an eight hour walk to Mount Fuji. It's pretty tough. And he, I think got sick from altitude sickness and was emergency airlifted off the mountain. And then about four days later, they were called to another altitude sickness call and they rescued, and it was the same guy. And they were like, what the hell are you doing here? What are you playing at, son? He said, I'm looking for my mobile phone.

What a legend. Do you reckon he'd look for it, find my phone, it's had it at the top of Mount Fuji, like, ugh, I'm going to die. Do you reckon he looks for it, find my phone, it's had it at the top of Mount Fuji, like ugh not again. It's like a Final Fantasy quest or something, you've got to go to the top of the mountain and fucking find the phone and hold it up in the air and wait for the light to shine on it and stuff. That's hilarious, man.

Jesus Christ. Did he find it? So yeah, I don't think so. No. But yeah, there's no penalty when a climber needs to be rescued, but it has called for some people are calling for him to be getting in trouble for it. But I think, you know, it's too funny. It's too much. It's too funny. It's too funny to get him in trouble. Well, he deserves it. Um, yeah, I think, you know, I think that's enough. I think we'd have a great podcast today.

So we'll leave it there. I'm, uh, I enjoyed it. It was a good one. Hey, I watched the show on, uh, on BBC one called this is our city. It's got Sean Bean in it. It's about, uh, liver podgly and, uh, drug dealers. It's like eight episodes or whatever. It's good though. I enjoyed it. You might, you guys might like it too. It's like eight episodes or whatever. It's good though, I enjoyed it. You guys might like it too, it's good. It's very, lots of heavy scouse in it though.

Like lots of fucking and stuff, you know, like it's just, like lots of that, you know. It's good though, it's really good. The city's ours. I watched it since adolescence, adolescence was brilliant if you haven't seen it. Very heavy, but very, very, very good. You do need to watch it, it's quite heavy going, but great way it's shot all in one continuous take. Oh, it's in the first episode.

It's in the first episode. It's in the first episode. It's in the first episode. It's in the first episode. It's in the first episode. It's in the first episode. It's in the first episode. It's in the first episode.

It's in the first episode. It's in the first episode. It's in the first episode. It's in the first episode. It's in the first episode. It's in the first episode. It's in the first episode. If you haven't seen it. Very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very stuff. All right. Well, yeah, we'll see you next time. Yeah. See you later. Recommendations. Until next time.

Goodbye.