Triforce! - It's all about ego | Triforce #336

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

Triforce! Episode 336! British Sips has been watching a lot of UK TV (including Celebrity Traitors), Lewis is having terrible internet issues while making a game and Pyrion's got a justified bone to pick with the Riyadh Comedy Festival! Go to http://expressvpn.com/triforce today and get an extra 3 months free on a 1-year package! Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pickax Pickax Hello, friends, I will go back We're here At the start of last week's episode Something was mentioned that I didn't get a chance to explain And it was, why don't I join the Discord channel

when it's just one person waiting in there. And I tried to explain, and then Lewis cut me off, as he tends to. And it was because I don't want to start a conversation that would have been best saved for the podcast. Especially if it's you and me. Once we join the channel, we'll just start talking about what we did, and we'll talk about something we'd seen, and we'll just talk. So I wait, because I think I might just have something vital to say.

This week, I have nothing to say. Right. I see. You don't even want to do like introductory small talk with us. I think we're past that now. That's part of it as well. I feel like us catching up on how is it going. in what you'd get up to this week, is like a natural intro to the podcast. And I would suggest

that as a sort of background listen that people put on while they're stacking shelves or working in the staple factory, it's a nice intro to the podcast rather than us just jumping into it. Like, right, here's topic three. Here's this section. Here's this, which we speak about every week. We just talk. We just talk. It's just a gentle catch-up with friends. It is a gentle catch-up. You're right. It is a gentle catch-up. Mostly, I don't do anything, though, except for watch TV and play video games. And occasionally I go out, I tell you what, though, recently I've been walking more. And I've been walking more because now all of my kids are at school and we just have these

nice mornings where we can just go for a walk and walk somewhere and get some breakfast or whatever. And it's not like, it's not the usual chaos that comes with having three children as well. It's nice, isn't it? We can just go somewhere and get a coffee. but what we've been doing is um we've been exploring like around where we live a lot more which i mean we have done to some degree with the with the children but there's a lot there's a lot of hills um around here and on this island generally that you know kids quite rightly don't really

want to walk up because it's hard and they get tired and especially when they're little they have small legs they don't want to do that and it's a nightmare pushing like a buggy or whatever up like a quite a steep hill so we've been walking up these hills but man some of the places that like we've seen like it just like it just feels like we're in a completely different place like it's so uh like i'd like i've never seen any of these places i've lived here for quite some time and uh it's just been nice to sort of get out and uh and have a look around and have like a little bit of an explore you know see like look at other people's how not like not like going into their houses but you know seeing like other people's houses and neighborhoods

and stuff and there's like there's a lot of countryside that we haven't seen or whatever so we've been doing a lot of that, which has been... This is so funny. It's pretty good. There's not that much to Jersey, to be honest. No. I remember when I came, I rented a bike and cycled around the whole island and had a great time.

Yeah. And I was telling you about it. Yeah. And you're like, yeah, I've never, never really seen that stuff. I've never been to these places before that you speak of. Stuff is like right there. I know. It's just having the time and the, and the inclination to do it.

Like, you know, when you, when you got a lot. lot to do. Sometimes you push things that you want to do down the priority list. But then, but then, you know, life has a way of sort of freeing up times to do that. This is hard-walling stuff, Sips. I'm glad you're enjoying it. I went, I had a nice, we had a nice breakfast. We've been watching, we watched the traders, the celebrity traders last night, which is good. Oh. We've been watching the new series of Alan Partridge, which has been really funny. you surprisingly such english like yeah tv yeah i know have i got news for you's back which 's been really good uh it's it's it's crazy we've been watching educating yorkshire with my son

he likes it we've been watching that uh he's been watching traders with us uh as well they the lineup's not bad as well you know normally like uh you know celebrity i'm a celebrity get me out of here or whatever. I guess it's always just celebrities, the giveaways in the name, but there's lots of people where you're just like, who? I don't know who that is. Like, it's, you know, it's a real stretch that they're, that they're even potentially celebrities. Yeah. But on the traders, they have people that I actually recognize. This is the first celebrity series, though, isn't it? This is, yeah. So it's got like, Alan Carr is in it, Stephen Fry is in it. Jonathan Ross is in it. Like, there's, like, people that you would recognize. Yeah. For sure, there's like some big, I think

they're spending good money on it because it's the first season and it's popular. And also, those people haven't already done it. So in six seasons time when they're scraping the barrel, some lad who was in Holyoaks or whatever is suddenly on it and you're like, who the fuck is this? It's quite good though, because you can tell that they all watch it because they're all like, oh, I can't wait to see this bit. It is also a cool show. Yeah. It is a cool show. Yeah. Let's be honest, you know, you having watched so much British TV, you're probably okay with these celebrities because you actually

recognize them since whereas I think I think I don't know who David Olusuga Joe Marla Joe Wilkinson Yeah he's a rugby player

Yeah he's a rugby player Lucy Beaumont Mark David I thought you were going to say Lucy Pinda he's got like he's got like

long curlyish greyish hair and he's a historian he does like he did a whole bunch of stuff in Bristol like where he would go to like

old you know, back in the day slave owners and stuff, houses and try to figure out who lived there and what they did and stuff. These are celebrities to you because you watch all of the surrounding stuff as well. This makes, this is good. I'm glad. I'm, do you know what? I'm glad.

I'm glad to tell me's watching this. And I don't think I'm the only one somehow. It's a pretty big show. I mean, it's like, it's pretty popular. But some of the shows, who's the, there's, it's not pixie law. It's, uh, Paloma Faith is in it. Poloma Faith is in it. And as well as Ruth Cod.

What's her face? Lucy Beaumont. She was married to Ruth Cod. Ruth Cod. She's married to Tameca Emson. You know. She's from EastEnders. She's, um, she's one of, um, she's one of the sis.

I think she's, what's her face is sister in EastEnders. You know her if you saw her. Like you'd recommend her immediately. Ruth Cod. Ruth Cod. No, Tamika's, uh, something. Tamika something. I've Googled that.

No, if I watched his senders. Tamika Devone Catchings? Yeah. She's an American former professional basketball player? No, it's not her. She's English. I'm pretty sure she's English. She's on EastEnders. I think it's Tamer.

I don't watch EastEnders. Oh, right. I haven't watched it since I lived at home, which was a long time. It hasn't changed much since. I don't suppose it has. Even being Alan Carr dreading him out of the fucking comedy sink or wherever he's doing fine. He just did a show called.

God, what was it? It was with, who was it with? He did up a house in Spain and they let it as a B&B, something like that, Mrs. F quite liked it. Alan Carr, he talks like, oh, no, you didn't say that, did you? Oh, my God. He is fucking funny, though. Like, I haven't seen him in a long time, but just his way is just, uh, he's good,

he's good in the show too. He's one of a kind. He really is a unique fellow for sure. But, uh, no, it's funny. It's, it's all right. It's, it's fine. It's like, you know, There's one content creator in the lineup as well, but I can't remember his name.

I was watching something he's in recently, though, and he was doing, he went to like the, you know, the far right, the big far right rally that was in London, but he's a black guy and he put on like a mask to look like an old white guy and he was going around interviewing people and like asking them like how badly they wanted to get rid of black people from the country and stuff. it was very funny like the first time he did it the mask was like falling off like you could see

the mask coming out of his collar at the back and people were like hey wait a second this guy's wearing a fucking mask like they found out it was him and then he went back and did it and he had like way better makeup it was kind of like the remember

the jackass old suits remember when they would go on the on the mobility scooters with the old man suits and fall off and stuff it was a bit like that and he was like but he was going around

with like he was holding like He had to have like these prosthetic white hands that were just constantly clutching cans of beer. It was so funny. He's just walking around talking to all these old gamins and stuff. It was, it was wonderful, actually. But he's in it as well. He's a younger guy. And there's a younger woman, a singer.

I'm not familiar with her, but they're like, they're like the younger. Is this, is the celebrity trait is shorter than the regular traitors? Is it like, or is it the same? I think it's about the same. because there's 19 of them. So it's still got to go through the same sort of format, I guess, where they're not just going to eliminate six people in one show sort of thing.

So yeah, I think it just is like a normal length traders. And then I think like the normal traders usually starts up in the new year. Like January, February, there'll be like another season. So how late this side who dies? I've never seen it. I don't understand. It's like Among Us.

It's like the TV show version of Among Us. Like they have, they don't know, The traitors know who each other are, but everybody else is just... And it's just a mafia. It's just very simple. There's no other role. They're trying to solve who is killing people. They get to kill one person every day.

And then they have like a meeting at the end of every day where they decide who the next person to be evicted or chucked out is. And hopefully that's a traitor sort of thing. It's like, you know, we know when people are new to mafia and they go off the same things that all blood on the clock tower or anything. Like, whenever you play those games, you're experienced in those games, Lewis. You've got people like me in and new people in. They make the same leaps of logic and the same mistakes and the same guesses. They never get to the point where it's like, you know, like if you played those games a long time and you say like, oh, right, if somebody's accusing somebody, we kick out, first we kick out the person they're accusing

and then we kick out the person that started the accusation. Like, it just makes sense, right? Because you don't know. And, you know, if somebody is putting their head above the whatever to. To make it known that, you know, they're making a player, whatever. It makes sense that you would kick them out too, right? Like, because you want to be safe. I mean, I guess, but it also means nobody ever does that.

It also means you're kicking out the good town, if you like. So people that are doing their job and have their head screwed on and are smart and getting people kicked out, when you say, oh, well, this guy's proven himself to be too competent, we need to get rid of him because he could be manipulating us. What you end up with is this sort of group of milk toast. do nothings, you just lose to a subtle trader. Well, those are the people that always win in the end. Somebody, they, you get

I'm just, you're having a great time. Yeah, you have three or four of them that are like that, and then all of a sudden the penny drops for one of them. And then they managed to rally people around. If the traders haven't pulled like a blinder, then they'll win for sure. That Zach Davis guy that got Vodoff

because everybody disliked him because he was, he played the games. He knew what he was doing. And a lot of the other people playing the show wanted to get rid of him just because he competent. Yeah. And a lot of the people that tend to go through are the people who don't say anything, don't actually play the game and just seem like average people and people aren't threatened

by that and they make it all the way to the end. It's crazy, really. It is crazy. Do the good team win together or do the, do the survivors win the money? No, no, the traders can win, but the trader has to be in the final. So basically they get to the end. is asking, if the good team wins, does everyone on the good team get a share of the money? They split the money.

It's only the survivors. It's only the survivors. No, equally, if the traders, if there's two traders that make it through, it's never happened. Let's say there's three people left. They split the money as well. Let's say there's three people left and there's two survivors, two innocent, one traitor and they get rid of the traitor.

The two innocent people share the money. They don't share it with all the dead innocent people. Oh, no, not all. Oh, sorry. Yeah, no, only the people that make. You get murdered on the way, so you don't win. if you're out. If you're dead, you're out.

Is that what you were asking? Yeah. And the reason why that's a problem is because that encourages people to look bad and not work with their team in order to not get killed at night. If you look like a really safe, good, trustworthy, good guy, you'll just get killed and you'll be out. But none of them know that- Encourages mad play.

It does, but none of them know who's safe, though. Like, they buddy up with people. At the start, the people that get kicked out are just people. that people don't like you know like there's they have nothing to go on and then as the game progresses they're forever thinking shit am i getting stitched up here am i getting played i would get voted out straight away so so the whole the whole thing encourages you to sort of almost have traitors called each other out and said you're the traitor they constantly do yeah because what happens is um when it when it when it gets down to like six or seven people left it's fairly obvious who who the

traders are or at least one of them is so like they'll they'll be hot to get one out and then normally what a trader will do is in a bid to save themselves is throw another trader under the bus and sometimes that you know because there's usually three traders and sometimes there's more they can recruit and stuff throughout the game but sometimes you'll you'll have a play where like two traders will decide together to throw a third one under the bus as like a sacrifice and then in the hopes that they look like they're you know we're traitor hunters. You know, we figured it out. We knew it. Uh, you know, and we got this person just say, does that person just say, well, it's these two? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,

there's really not much play, is there? Because there's no info. There's no, no parity cop or or medic or anything. There's no info. Yeah. So it's like, very occasionally, they'll be like a task where they'll get some info or whatever, but oftentimes they have info and nobody believes them anyway. Yeah. The design is basically, you know, narcissists, selfish simulator where you're, you're not, really on a team. You know, you're not really on the good team. You're on your own team. Everyone's on their own team. You're not really even a traitor. You're on your own team. And you happen to know two other people who are also, you know, you're working with to try and

survive. But you're not really on the traitor team. There's no, there's no incentive. Like a lot of the time in Blood and the Clock Tower, you know, dead players carry on, obviously. But the point is a lot of the kills that are done are done in a much nicer way because you're almost guaranteed that the person you killed is not the demon because the game hasn't ended, right? And so that means they're good and it changes the dynamic because then people can trust them more. Like it's so exclusionary to play this knockout, knockout game. It's such a different game. I enjoy it. I like the strategy and stuff. But like I said, there are there are times where it's like, if this happens, you should definitely vote that person out. And the contestants for the most part, I guess it does

work great from the point of view of telly. Telly is all these shows with Big Brother and fucking Bachelor and all these things. They all whittling, they're all about whittling, right? It's a series of starting with a lot of people and then, you know, having the sadness of people get knocked out every episode and, you know, it's all those emotional moments. Right. A lot from, and some of those shows that you mentioned are the worst for it. Um, they, I think it's hard for them to get people onto the show that aren't angling for like, uh, you know, some, you know, a big boost to their social media presence or whatever. You know, you, you, it's like, it's like, uh, not quite influencers, but maybe you want to be influencers that, that sign up for a lot of these shows because they think it's, it's a, you know, it's exposure for them. Like, they're going to be known all of a sudden. And then they're going to get a lot more followers or whatever. And I think a lot of these shows like, I know the apprentice has done this. And I feel.

like maybe the traders would do it as well but like they kind of shy away from these you know larger than life personalities that that turn up you know like they're people that that are already you know on instagram or trying to like be big on instagram or whatever and they'll they'll kind of settle for people that aren't like that more so like the most the most recent um season of the apprentice it kind of showed that they they vetted people like that out more and uh and both seasons of the traders have had just really like normal people, you know, like they, you don't get the sense that these people are after some sort of like internet fame or clouts or whatever. They're just there because they want to, they want to be on the show or whatever.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that if it's a competition of who is the best singer, right, then it makes sense that people get knocked out along the way, I guess, because then you get to, you know, whittle down who is the best. And even that is a very cruel process because it leaves almost everyone involved, apart from the person who wins, disappointed, right? And it's very emotional. There's been people that haven't won that have gone on to be successful.

Like, I think Will Young didn't win. And he's done all right. He came second and that was early seasons. I would say the whole experience. The person that won against him has probably not done as well as I still think that the whole experience is an emotional roller coaster for these people. And I think quite traumatic and stressful, right?

And now, and I think doing the trade. is gamifying it for no good reason. It's a bad, it's a cruel game, you know, which I imagine, again, having not watched it, although we did do our video version of it. I imagine, maybe it isn't, maybe it's fine. Maybe people have nice, realistic, lovely chats where they're all lovely to each other,

and they're not shouting at each other and being all horrible and, like, you know, getting all upset and fake acting and fake crying and all this. But do you know what I mean? it does feel like fodder. It feels like TV, emotional trauma fodder. Which I guess is a way a lot of reality has been. It's not super dramatic, I don't think. They get a little heated.

The Traitors is actually pretty good. It's actually not a bad show. And it can be, it's interesting to see because there's a lot at stake, like, the, the trait is just, you know, having to argue the way out of a corner. Like, if you've ever watched a game of Mapia or any of those games with full knowledge, which, of course, you have watching the show, it is interesting. to see when you know someone's lying, watching someone lie when you know the truth is quite entertaining and seeing the plays that people make, seeing people go down these rabbit

holes where they're just convinced of the wrong thing. I can relate to all that so much, like being so sure of myself, trusting my gut and being completely wrong, seeing other people do it is quite entertaining. It's genuinely not a bad show. The problem is they fill out the hour with all these fucking stupid tasks. Yeah. It's just, I hate that so much. We're the same. We don't like them either, but I feel like they found a pretty good spot with the tasks. They're not, uh, they're not as, uh, prominent as they, they were. I, I feel like they probably had a lot of feedback where it's like, it's too much on the tasks. It's so boring. Like, it's like watching the, I'd rather just watch them milling around in the castle working on

backstabbing each other or whatever than. Right. The tasks are just silly. Like, it's always the same, you know, I understand why they do it. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would be, it would be better if, if the tasks, because the thing is all the money that's won in the tasks goes into the prize pool. What I would like is if the money lost on a task went into the traitor's price pool. So then there's a question of, is this, are they throwing this game on purpose because they're a traitor and they want more money in the traders' price pool? That's another big one. People get stuck on that one all the time.

Like, you know, when there's no sort of evidence against someone, that's that that's the go-to. Are they sabotaging the task? They was crap for that task. Are the producers putting them up to sabotaging the task for their benefit or whatever? There's nothing to go on. And it's not, there's no chance of a game, you know, and it's all entirely on vibes. It's a very different experience anyway.

It's good. It is good though. I've enjoyed it. And the celebrity one seems to be okay for now as well. I normally hate celebrity anything. Same. Yeah, same. I usually don't bother watching them.

But this one, just because I saw the cast and I recognized for once more than like two people in the lineup. I thought, okay, I'll give it a go. Like, it might be pretty good. And it's, it's so far, it's all right. Yeah. It's pretty good. Do you guys, you guys ever heard of pop bitch? No. It's a newsletter. It's been going for fucking 25 years. Called pop bitch. Yeah, all one word, pop bitch. It's just like UK gossip. It's like a gossip newsletter. Pop bitch. Yeah, it's genuinely brilliant. Sclerless gossip, scandalous stories. Yeah, it's really funny. So it's like people anonymously send in stories and tips about famous people and their sordid lives, right?

It's honestly, it can be absolutely hilarious. There's all kinds of shady shit that the celebs go on, but there's also just interesting things. Like, this is the supper club, see, the after-dinner speaker club they're talking about. So Christian Horner, who was, I think, a Formula One team manager. Yeah, he's married to, he was married to Jerry Halliwell, or still is, I think.

I think they are still married. So you can get him for 25K for an after-dinner chat. Amal Rajan and Nick Robinson, 25K. You can get them to speak at your afternoon. And so they're saying, for comparison, an influencer like Molly May Haig, who I've never heard of, 20K for an Insta endorsement, she gets 20,000 pounds for an endorsement on Instagram. I don't know who she is. She was a reality TV personality.

She was on Love Island. So there you go. That's all it takes. You were talking about how people want to get on here to boost their profile and everything. If you go on a show like that and do well, suddenly you're earning 20K for saying, buy this makeup and you just have to do a post on Instagram. That's why people do it. Well, okay, first of all, it became a thing.

I will say this. First of all, when you hear these numbers, like, and everyone's like, oh, my God, you know, but a lot of this is, some of this is fuck you money. What I call fuck you money. It's like, I don't want to do this, but I'll do it for this much money. Yeah. That doesn't mean. That doesn't mean it's my rate.

I thought fuck you money was so much money you could tell anyone to go fuck themselves. I thought that's what fuck you. It's like, well, that's what I call it. And I feel like you do encounter this summer. sometimes with the quotes for a job. You know, like, even like getting your, um, getting something, like some painting done or whatever, you know, if the guy is really busy and he's, he doesn't really want to do it, he'll give you a quote that's higher, you know, than, than he would otherwise.

And if you say yes, then, you know, it suddenly becomes worth his time, right? And so I think that some people are making their living on after dinner speaking. Are you doing your little after-dinner speech there, P-FACs? Yeah, he used to get 20K. He's just going to tell. No, you reminded me. You said something about a quote or something like that. And I remembered I got a builder's quote, and I was taking a case to respond to it.

So I just responded, yes, let's push ahead and book this in. When you said pop bitch, it reminded me of the BBC used to have this thing. It was like a, it was like a celebrity stock market. It was like a little web app game. Like you play in your browser. This is before phones and stuff. Let's ring a bell. And so you would start off with some money and you would use that money to buy stocks in celebrities.

And their stocks would go up based on if they were mentioned in the news. Yeah, yeah. It had this aggregator that would sort of go through and see. Celebrbac. Celebrity. That's it. Yeah. Man, it was so much fun.

I used to the first office job I ever had, I used to play it all the time. Dude, this was just on the BBC website. It was, yeah. It had a own TV show. I didn't realize it had its own TV show. That's really interesting. Players were given the opportunity to buy and sell shares. He's in 10,000 pounds of virtual cash.

You had the buy celebs and think who was going to be. And there was also a sports DAC as well that you could do. That sounds great. It was super fun. Yeah. So you check the news every day and you'd be like, fuck. Okay. I just bought like 20 shares in Michael Jackson yesterday.

Like hopefully he does something stupid overnight and he's in like he's just everywhere. And then like his, you know, his prices shoot up. up or whatever. It was fun. It was just like a time-waster, but I wish there was something like that again. It was super fun. But I think they closed it down. They said, oh, we're revamping it, we're going to bring it back, and then they just never brought it back. Typical. Yeah, it was a really cool idea. It was really fun. We had good shares in Greg Waller's shares did great. Oh, my God. I've sold him. They would have gone just absolutely crazy. We would have been slept down. He was all over the fucking show. Billionaires. Yeah, he was everywhere.

You still saw it trickling in when they were doing Mastership because there were a lot of news bits around him with every episode. I still get emails and messages of everyone sucking send me Greg Wallace memes on Instagram. I just delete them. How did we do last week for politics? Because I know it was mentioned that whenever we talk about any politics, people get mad. But I don't think we spoke about politics at all last week, didn't we? No. I mean, there is a certain group that takes.

offense when we talk about politics because we're talking about politics in a way that they don't agree with. Oh, gosh. I can't imagine who that might be. Right. So people on the right get very upset when we talk about it and they call us ill-informed. They're the ones doing the complaining because their idea of informed is being a fascist, I guess. Of course.

You're informed. You'd be a fascist. If you're not informed, you're a cuck liberal. Is the best I can tell from the vitriol in the comments and the emails. All I can make sense, yeah. is the Trump is a pedo protector. That's all I'm saying. Just leave it in that.

We'll just leave it at that. I'm not trying to start an argument here. I'm just saying he's a, he's like a nanny for nonsense. That's what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. I think that's all they need to say, though. If all the Democrats just start saying that, you know. They ain't saying shit.

That's all they need to say. They ain't doing shit. Listen, I know I've talked a lot about TV, but I have one more thing I would like to recommend. If you haven't seen it yet, I think it's five or maybe a six-part series. You can watch it on BBC iPlayer. I'm not sure where else you could watch it if you're not in the UK. But it's called Once Upon a Time in Iraq.

It's really good. It's a really, really good documentary. And I think even if you think you know bits and pieces about the 2003 invasion of Iraq, or you feel like you're done with it or you don't know much about it and you don't care, whatever, still watch it. It's like, I feel like everybody has to see it. It's so good. It's really, really well done. It's sad and it's awful, but it's just so well done.

It sort of starts and it says, you've heard from all the politicians, but now, you know, experience the war in Iraq through the eyes of like the journalists who are there, soldiers who were there and the people of Iraq. And it's insane. It sounds great. It's narrated by Andy Circus, who is himself half Iraqi. Well, I think his mom was half Iraqi, half English, and his dad was half Iraqi, half Armenian, Andy Circus, Gollum. Oh, yeah, I don't like him.

I love him. I think he's great. No, I don't like him. He's great. He looks like he's got four hygiene. Right. He just gives up that vibe. Yeah, it looks like a guy that smells his own parts.

He does a good job narrating this documentary, though. Don't let it put it off. You don't, you don't ever see this guy as far as like. can tell, but it's really good. It's really worth the watch. It's a really excellent documentary series. He does something disgusting. You know what I mean? He just strikes me as a kind of a disgusting guy. He got bad vibes. He's got some dirty secret. Is that what you think? He's got one of those really gross eating habits. Like he, like, he instead of eating a donut, he licks like the hole of the donut until from the inside out of the donut disappeared or something like that.

His tongue going through the hole of the dough. He just tongues it. He tongues it until eventually it's just gone. Don't mind me. Just get me. It's going to take me about a week to get through this bad boy, but trust me, this is the way I like to do it. It tastes great. Yeah. I just, there's just fucking, there's something about him. I just not not a fan. Well, if you can get past him, I, again, I would, I would totally recommend this documentary series. Even if you're not overly interested in the subject matter, it's a really, really good one. Really, really well done. Really, really interesting. But like I said, really, really sad and awful at times. But. But good. There you go. That's my big up for this week, by the way. Once upon a time in Iraq. New double episode of 24 hours in police custody out. Oh, oh, my God.

Thank you. You're welcome. These TV shows. I will be watching that. It is so good. We watched episode one last night. Oh, nice. Genuinely amazing.

Like, looking forward to episode two. I will say this, the culprit plays Minecraft. Oh, oh. Keep your eyes out for that. Okay. People that play Minecraft, not good people, according to this TV show. Wow. You'll have to get my lobby group to look into this, actually.

I don't want Minecraft having a bad name. I want to make sure that we're only spreading good vibes about Minecraft on the airways at all times. New Discord rule here for the channel. Good vibes about Minecraft only please. He only one good vibes. Before we continue, do you ever? use incognito mode. Well, it's probably not as incognito as you think, as Google recently settled a $5 billion lawsuit after being accused of secretly tracking their users. This is because

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ExpressVPN.com slash trifles. On with the show. Did I tell you guys that I've been trying to learn how to use Blender and also code in Unity? No. You mentioned that you were working on a game, but I won't go into the details. Is this to do with that?

Yeah. Is Blender like Grindr? Isn't that the one for lesbians? I love the idea of that I think I got a lot of I think I got a lot of lesbians in my in my Steam friends list if that's the case because a lot of people seem to use Blender

I was watching why the tutorial was so weird it was making me upload my picture and say my interests I was jacking off all the time I don't know what kid would not stop I went on like three days before I realized that I hadn't done a 3D model yet. It's like a go-to the 3D modeling thing.

And it's not necessarily intuitive at all. But it is, there's a lot of, you can pretty much just Google, like, use ChatGBT if you've got a problem with anything. You can just be like, how do I do this? Or how do I do this weird thing? And it's like, oh, so yeah, I hate the way ChatGBTGBT says things to you. It will say things like, oh, yeah, that's a, you're absolutely right. That's, but then it'll tell you something.

and you'll be like, I'm using, this doesn't work. And it's like, oh, yeah, and then it'll give you another suggestion. You'll be like, again, that doesn't work. And it's like, oh, no, sorry, you're right. You're sorry, you're right. And sorry, you're right. But then finally, if you say to it, like, I'm using the latest version. Because weirdly, for some reason, I don't know who is using old versions of these things,

but ChatGBT's default solution is like out of date. Of course it is. Because it doesn't assume that you're using the latest version of a program. It assumes that your problem is with Blender version 4 or whatever. It's like, you know, once you tell it you're on Blender version 6, it's like, oh, that changes everything. And then, but you'll ask it another question, and it will just immediately assume you're using Blender version of 4 again.

So, you know, you have to almost every time you ask it a question, you have to give it this incredibly fucking overly detailed question. You know, you can't just talk to it like it's a human. It doesn't seem to have very good memory as well. Like, it will have forgotten. Like, even if you say to it, always assume you're on the latest version and never forget this, it will have forgotten it in like two prompts. Do you see what I mean?

No. All right. Stop, stop, stop. You are cutting out every time at the end of a sentence. You're going, you know the way, and it just nothing comes through. And then you'll say, do you know what I mean? And then it was silent for about 10 seconds and then you came back with, you know what I mean? It's boring.

Restart Discord or something because this is just. We cannot follow this conversation. I'm going to re-stop. I love that. I love how we were both waiting just to see if you can kind of get away with like, yeah, I know what you mean. I was like,

maybe it's just being wobbly for a second, but no, I didn't understand. I thought that was so funny. Oh, fuck's sake. I don't know. It's the Yog's office internet.

I guess there's a bunch of people cane and it. Wait, is he at home or is he at the office? I guess he's at the office. He must be. Oh, yeah, he could be. Sometimes he does these from home, though.

You might be at home. That's true. Hello. That's true. I am at home. Hello. I'm not very well as well. Oh, he's not well.

We're talking about how cursed your internet is. And it wants me to just tell you quickly just before you talk about more about Blender Lewis. I've been playing Clover Pit and I have the worst luck of any human being probably on the whole planet when it comes to gambling. Clover Pit? Yeah, it's like, it's like Bellatro, but with a slot machine. You're stuck in a little room. and you have to get these little charms to make better combos with a slot machine. And you have to keep paying.

Any good? It's great. Yeah, it's really fun. I get it's on Steam. I think it was on sale the other day as well. It is for seven pound 95 pence. Yeah, if you like, if you like Bellatro pick it up, it's really good. I did like Bellatro.

So the only thing that puts me off is that it's like a story, that there's like a story. Not really. No, no, no. There's little, little fun elements to unlock stuff or whatever is. These games have the bare minimum. they could possibly do of a story. I mean, there is a door that you need to open, and then when you eventually open the door, you get a two-second cuts in. Yes, I know.

Indeed. Fine. So, okay, I think maybe if I just speak in small bits. You can land a 666, flex, which is, there's a 1.5% percent chance of landing it. It works in rounds. So you get like seven spins per round. for example. And when you're in the round, you're locked in. Okay. So whatever your charms are, whatever, you're locked into that round until the spins are all done. So you're, you're

accumulating money during the round and you can, you can occasionally 1.5% chance. Sometimes it can be more depending on the things that you've chosen. You can hit a 666, which wipes out your your money for that, that you that you haven't banked yet. So you might have quite a bit of money because you might, uh, you know, be halfway through the round or whatever. and it'll wipe you out. 1.5% chance. I'm not even kidding. Yesterday I was playing,

I hit it like four times in a row. Like, fuck, it was driving me insane. Like, like I feel like I, or at least yesterday when I was playing, I just felt straight up cursed.

Like, I just felt like I had the worst possible luck. There is a luck modifier in the game. You can get, you can get items that give you plus luck, which I had none. So maybe, you know,

looking back, that was my problem. But it just felt like, at a 1.5% chance this is like this made like xcom 2's percentage chances look like amateur hour like it was it was it was hitting all the time it was driving me crazy but it is it is fun really fun it is fun really fun so so i'll try and tell you what i experienced um with unity basically i started doing this tutorial and i was like okay cool i'll you know i'll just i'll just do like this demo um that they've set up and it starts off and it's like um

press file, press cube, you know, put cube in scene. And it's like, okay, like the most, like a four-year-old could do this. Yeah. All right. And it gets like halfway through the tutorial, and every single step has been the most baby thing you could possibly imagine. And then it says, now, write a piece of code to move the cube around. Write a class. And you're like, well, sorry, but so you're not going to teach me like anything about.

this. Yeah. I love how it goes, it goes from like, like, like computer instructions for your 85 year old grandmother to now start coding. It's pretty good. Now draw the rest of the owl or press the windows icon. But then it then it sort of says, you know, copy paste in this massive, massive line of code, you know, to make your own game. And it's like, well, that's not making my own game. Is it? That's you giving me the answer. And not. telling me anything or not teaching me anything about what any of these things do. If you want to write your own game, Lewis, you need to learn like some C++, make your own engine and then maybe even just keep using C++ after that as well, if you really want to,

if you want to get crazy with it. I'm 41 years old. I don't, I mean, I'm 41 years old. Oh my God. I don't have time to fucking. I don't have a game. I've got time. I've been working.

I've got bills to picket kids. Hey, kids, most of the stuff with who you want to be allowed to kill. I'm 41 years of age. It's not the right time. I barely got time to get hair cut these days and work and get to grow up. I can't pay bills. I can't pay bills. I'm not going back to school.

The wife's hungry. She's 51 years old. If you're 41 years old, um, why don't you just, instead of trying to make a game, why don't you just play some fun games? just play a game and stop trying to make a game just be lazy just be lazy and just play someone else's game i mean this is why dude sim alaska has never been made sips i will just say that

either it will remain vaporware forever yeah well somebody eventually do similaska one more time pitch me this game okay imagine a game that looks like rust um but it's more like a like a like a cozy cabin simulator but you all the things that you would have to do in a cab so you not only do you have to build your cabin from scratch. You have to like chop down trees. You got to get the wood ready so that you can make your log cabin. You got to go fishing and hunting and you got to do some farming to survive. And one of the fun things to do in the game is as you're exploring this vast, vast wilderness that you live in alone, you can occasionally collect old like car and bike parts. So you have like longer term projects to work on. So you can like build

a push bike. You can build a car and restore it. And this is so that you can eventually travel like to the town to do some trading. You know, you might want to trade like some, some goods for like some other goods or whatever. It's like it's like it's kind of like a like a slice of life simulator, you know, but like it'll look like not like pixely. You know, like I like imagine like a third person Star Do Valley that just looks a bit more realistic and maybe is a little bit more satisfying or fulfilling because of that sort of thing, you know? But you just get to do all these little mundane survival tasks and stuff. And I feel like that would be like such a fun game to play, you know?

You just add like more and more stuff into it. You know, you can design projects that are as big or as small as you'd like. You know, you can spend as much time doing stuff as you want or not. You know, it's up to you. You just do what you want. And then, you know, maybe it'd be fun if there was like occasionally people that you could talk to. in the game if you want to, but if you don't want to, it's fine. You don't have to. Give them gifts and then eventually marry them and then have kids. You could have some kids in

your cabin as well and you could raise an army of children. I feel the scope is going to have control and you can modify their genes. You can modify their genes. You can give them bionic implants if you want to make them better at farming or doing tasks that you don't want to do. You potentially roll like a 10 out of 10 car refurbisher child, a 4-year-old child that refurbishes your car that you can sell for the big bucks in the town and then you could have enough money to buy all the seeds that you need for the next year's harvest or whatever you know sometimes raiders come sometimes raiders can come but you can switch them off there's an option switch off raiders if you want to go pieceful mode like engines to your cabin and fly it to a

different location if you get bored eventually yes you get a nice enough enough hyperfuel you can leave the planet and go to another planet and start over fresh somewhere else Hey, can we change a subject to something that I wanted to ask? Yes, please. I'm just trying to help out. Sorry, no, thank God. That's all right. So I was watching the Deppard, the Departed, the Departed, the movie about it.

The Departed has Jack Nicholson and Leonardo DiCaprio and I feel like Matt Damon is in it as well. Matt Damon is in it, yeah. This is it. So my partner has never listened to a podcast ever in her life. Get her to listen to this one. No, this is not a good example. She said, what's your podcast about? And I said, this is what I said to her.

I said, Sips watches like ordinary TV. Very ordinary TV. Like the imprimor levels of TV, yeah. Perian watches old movies, usually on TV because they're on. Yeah. I don't watch to know that is completely bullshit. And then we do this fun thing where Flax mentions a movie and I try to guess who, everybody, all the actors were in it

and normally I get it wrong except for in the case of the de padded which I've seen the depadded I've seen the depadded so I've known well there you go that helps I just said to you won't like it I'm amazed anyone does I said yeah

I've met your partner they're definitely not going to like this no but but the thing is she I feel like your partner would absolutely not like this not like I don't think she'd be offended or anything I think she'd be offended at how low quality it is, you know? Like, well, she would be like, you're doing this.

Yeah. You could be spending time with me and this. Yeah. I sort of said to her, I was like, you know, but you, when you're in the car driving, because she does quite a lot driving around. He's got out again. Brilliant. When you're in the car. Oh, got silas. Yes. She does quite a lot driving around, and she listened to Radio 4. Now, I said to her, how do you know what's on? And she was like, oh, well, I just know what's on when and I like everything. And I was like, but a lot of the time I've been in the car with you, and it's been absolute shit on the radio. You know, wouldn't you prefer to listen to a podcast, which is specific to the thing that you like? Right.

You'd be like, I'm interested in this topic. Let me see if there's a good podcast up there. Or even just some of the big famous ones, like cereal or something like that, like some big famous podcasts, you know? Yeah, give them a listen. Okay. I'm not interested. My, not interesting. Recently in, in the car, I've been listening to a Spotify generated artist radio based on the band L7.

You ever heard of L7? No. They're like an old, like a heavier grunge band from like the 90s. Oh, geez. An all-girl group. Oh, hell. You probably heard, they had a kind of mainstreamish hit called Pretend We're Dead, which, you may have heard, but, okay, listen to this playlist, okay?

Uh, so this is just, this is auto generated off of the, off of the artist, okay? So pretend we're dead by L7, holiday in Cambodia by the dead Kennedys, uh, gouge away by the Pixies, waiting room by Fugazi, uh, cannonball by the breeders, uh, shove by L7, dead Kennedys again, too drunk to fuck, if you're familiar with that one, monkey gone to heaven by the Pixies, Jesus built my hot rod by ministry, uh, and And it goes on and on and on and on. And then Lump by the presidents of the United States of America is on here. I hate them so much.

You can imagine how quickly I skipped it when it came on. I'm trying to listen to some nice, some nice grunge hits and some some punk music. And all of a sudden, lump comes on. I was just like, oh my God, what's going on here? Yeah, that sucks. Yeah, great. Really, really, really nice play. I like the auto-generated playlist sometimes.

They're fun. They're good. Yeah, they're fun. Be careful, Spotify are pushing AI songs on them? Are they? That's a shame. So my original point, I was watching The Departed, okay? And I've got a question for you, because Leonardo DiCaprio's in that movie,

and he meets a lady who is Matt Damon's girlfriend, and they sort of get together. When we're watching a movie, and there's someone in it like Leonardo DiCaprio, who's a very handsome guy, this is when he was in, before his head got bigger. If you've noticed, his head is a lot bigger now than it was back when he made the DePaddy. His head was like normal size then. Yeah, he's always had like a fairly large head. But now it's much bigger. In proportion to the rest of his body.

Yeah, I would say now his head is getting to... Like in the movie, catch me if you can. I was always surprised that like they didn't just catch him immediately because head's so big. You know, I like... He's not like... There is this big head. Get him.

He's got a... He's got an APB out on a guy with a fucking huge head. He's huge. He's a gigantic cassaba melon head. Looks like Leonardo DiCaprio. But he's very good looking. So my question is, when they have an actor playing a character, are we meant to notice the fact that they're very good looking, almost so good looking that they could be an actor

or a model? So am I meant to just ignore the fact that they're very good looking and be like, oh, there's no way this girl's going to talk to him? Or am I also meant to think, oh, yes, his character, part of his character is that he's a very handsome guy. Yeah. Like, am I meant to just overlook that fact? Like, when you have a beautiful woman who's down on her luck in a movie, I'm meant to

just ignore the fact that she could clearly just get a job as a model or anything, am I meant to just ignore that fact or am I meant to think, man, I can't believe no one's noticed how gorgeous this woman is? What am I meant to do with the part of my brain that evaluates that these people are clearly very handsome people? Okay, well, this is part of your suspension of disbelief, right? It's the idea that you are willing to push aside and join in with this, right? If everyone else in that world is acting like everything's normal, we just have to go along with it, right? Yeah, I don't even, I'm not sure I even think in those terms when I watch movies.

Like, I just, you know, I don't even, I don't really think about it. You just let it wash over me, yeah. See, if it's a film I've seen before, this is why I quite like to watch films I've seen before, because I can sort of take the time to think about things I hadn't when I was just watching it the first time, because this is only the second time I've seen the movie. I didn't really, I didn't think the part it was great. It was okay. I don't even remember it, which is the film it was based on.

Wasn't Jack Nicholson like almost like a mafia figure sort of? Yeah, he's like an Irish mafia in Boston, yeah. Hey, here's another thing I wanted to talk to you guys about. You tell me if you think this is this is something. Is this anything, all right? There's a, there's a blue sky account called TriForce podcast facts checker. Right. You're aware of this?

There used to be a Twitter account like that too. Right. So now, like, luckily he's moved over to Blue Sky or she, I don't know. And they post facts. Right. And then they check them. Right. So, for example, from six days ago, Sips did not get raptured, is the fact.

John Gobramers will not get you if you don't eat your crusts is another. That's a fact. Yeah, that is, these are good facts. There is no bonus TriForce podcast called We Hate Women. Oh, man. We can make it. Let's change that. We could.

God, we should just do a bonus episode. Just for the Patreon, just for the in-cells that follow us on Patreon. Yeah, yeah. We'll do a We hate Women episode. Weekly, a weekly we hate women episode. Oh, my God, yeah. So it's like, this is just, these are clearly things that we've said just in passing and then they're fact check. For example, Nicholas Cage's first name is not Pickleus.

I don't know why we thought it was Pickleus Cage. I think it's a Gary's Mod thing, isn't it? Isn't there like a Pickleas Cage? Right, right, right. Skin in TTT or something? I don't know. Marilyn Manson did not have ribs removed so that he could pull. No.

That's a common. That is a common. I don't know how. This is back before the internet existed, but that rumor was just in every high school in the 90s. It didn't matter where the school was. If it was in the West, even in the UK, they were saying it. Oh, yeah. It's the same as the Richard Gear Hamster up the ass thing. These are just rumors that went around. What was the thing? It was that he put a hamster in his ass using a tube of a It was a gerbil or a hamster. A gerbil. And then somebody needed. to see if the gerbil was in there and they used a lighter to light it up and it blew up because he farted or something.

Something stupid. Something so stupid. Yeah. It's fucking ridiculous. I mean, I remember telling people that though when I was at school like it was of course. Like really common factual knowledge. Yeah.

It is funny how it spreads between playgrounds and you always get this, right? Somehow there's some underground network that manages to pass it between schools virally, you know, like COVID or something, just gets out there, these rumors. The thing about that first one is that it was different for a different generation. Like for Simon, I remember, he always said it was James Bolin, who was who had a rip removed. And for me, it was obviously Michael Jackson.

Michael Jackson. It was always James Bowman. For us. James Bowman, the countertenor? Bloody, what's his name? Oh, do you mean Mark Boland? Mark Boland. Right, right, right, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry. I thought James Bowman was a celebrity I'd missed out one. That's fine. But yeah, like, it's always... Quick fact check, by the way, quick shot fact check. Judas did not betray Jesus by cheating in Magic the Gathering, just in case you... We've said a lot of shit on this podcast. We do talk a tremendous amount of shit on this podcast, but...

Every once in a while, though, well, I don't know, actually. We'd have to fact-check that. Do we ever talk about serious stuff? We do... Yeah, occasionally. Not always, though. No, we do occasionally. usually talk about serious stuff.

Leif Erickson did not discover Iceland. It is likely he was born there around a century after it was first settled. Interesting. I mean, so to say likely, it's likely he was born there, but he did not discover it. So, you know, that's interesting. But Iceland, they probably found that quite early on. It's not that far. Greenland is what they think Leif Erickson discovered, right?

Greenland. Maybe. Greenland they discovered really early on, because I think they were going to Greenland all the time, basically. And then they just decided at some point, let's go a little bit further, and that's how they discovered North America. I mean, I guess, but the thing is, you can see. Oh, we were always told that it was the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria that did it. Yeah.

They discovered the new world. If you're in Greenland, if you're in the very north, you can see Canada, I'm sure it's pretty close. I don't know. I've never been. I have family that lived in Goose Bay, if that helps. Maybe you can't see it. Maybe it is still too far away. You can on a good day.

You can see Calais from Dover, can't you? Apparently. You can see the coast of France from here on a clear day. It's about 14 miles. 14 miles away. I mean, it's still pretty far, though. To be able to actually see very clearly the coast of another country that's... It's amazing.

It's kind of nuts, actually. So I'm guessing if you could... I don't know. Anyway, but yeah, the problem is the bit that's closest to... America and Canada and everything, it's in the very frozen north. I can guessing they lived on the southern part of Greenland, where it's probably quite green. Yes. There's lots of Greenland that is uninhabitable. Yeah.

It's a long, bloody way, though. It's a long way, it's a long way, these distances. It is a long way. It is a long way. It is one of these places that was just, Iceland and places like New Zealand were just sort of too far until we had modern ships to really get to. And so they were never, they never had sorts. Did they have any, any, any sought after resources at the time?

Because that was normally what would sort of, people would go and check places out. And if they had something that was useful, then they would set up shop sort of thing, you know. Yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't really just like, let's just colonize everywhere. Like they wanted stuff. They wanted to integrate into the. Do you think that the reason the Vikings went out and did that shit, it was because they wanted stuff? Yeah.

They just thought, I don't know, what resources did they want back there? part of their sort of culture was was was rating wasn't it they it was to make uh to make offerings to the to the gods and stuff that was wasn't that money and women that they were after yeah I feel like so my question is like they were looking for places to plunder I mean that's what they that's why they attacked um well everywhere that they attacked basically that's yeah that's just that's just that's just free loot that's like like shoplifting no no but it was it was like, it was all, like, um, they would capture people to do blood sacrifices to the gods. They didn't do blood sacrifices and stuff.

Well, I watched like seven seasons of Vikings and there were a couple. Fair enough. I don't know if, I don't know how accurate it is, unless they, they got that wrong. But the point is, if you're sailing off to the frozen waste of Greenland and you found like no one there or whatever, are they still, you're not going to bring them back. It's too far. Like, they're going out there to colonize. I don't know if they were really.

You've got to understand, though, all this stuff is very much a process of very gradual, very slow progress, right? Like what you have is you have people living in a place, you have fishing boats and fishing boats going out, going further and further, learning the waters, learning the things over hundreds of years, and realizing, oh, look, there's a little bit of land here, or this is a shallow area. Maybe there's something if we keep going. And then they have, you know, curious people go and explore to see if there is something out there. And then they meet a coastline and then they follow that coastline. And then that's how they end up, you know, at the next place down, you know, down from them. It's like the Sims. But in real life, you know, like they discover a new creek and that do, do, do do do do do do do do, you know, like it opens up a new area for them.

Yeah, it's all very gradual. Yeah. I love the Sims speak. It really makes me laugh. Well, you know, it's now owned by the Saudis. Saudi's own Sims, that name? They bought EA. Yeah, yeah.

I guess, yeah, I suppose probably there's another Sims in the works, but it's really just FC battlefield. I guess there's new battlefield coming out. There is a new Sims apparently in the works, but there's that one that came out in the meantime that's made by a different company. I can't remember what it's locked. Yeah, what's it called?

Like, it's got a weird name. Like a lot of these things. It's got a name that made no sense for them. What about all those comedians that went over to do that? Saudi Arabia, yeah. That's a lot of, there's been a lot of backlash on that. That was crazy. A lot of big names.

A lot of big names that swore they would never do something like that that went over. Or that they're like, I should be able to see what I say what I want. And then they go there and they're like, oh, but I'm happy for the money to say what I, to be told what I can and can't say. Like, that's pretty disgraceful. That's what gets me, I think. If you just went there and just ignored the fact that, you know, there's some dodgy shit happening, you know, at least you, as long as you've never said anything and you go out there and you're allowed to just say what you like, you go out there and criticize them

openly and say, that's fucked up, then, you know, fair enough. Well, here's the thing about Bill Burr. He always struck me as the kind of guy who's like, so I beat my wife, who cares? It's just a thing, right? I beat my wife, whatever, right? He was always that kind of guy, right? A bit of a scumbag. Like, ah, I want to make America great again.

I must have all these brown people coming over here. I mean, he was always kind of that guy. I don't think he ever gave off racist vibes. No, I don't think he was. He was from Boston, though. His wife is black as well, isn't she? I think she's Latina. Oh, right.

Whatever. I just got the vibe that he was. I don't actually think he's racist. I don't know much about him otherwise, though. But then sort of he became this very left-wing darling, right? Where he would talk up, he would talk up like all of the goods. He would talk up, he would talk up, he would talk up, the whole, it's like he went full Russell Brand, basically, and became like this darling of the left wing.

No, but now he's gone back to it. Isn't Russell Brand like a big, like, religious nut now? Just in time for the allegations to come in against Russell Brand. He was like, I've discovered Jesus. Yes. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. What?

I feel like, I feel like this just shows Bill Burr's two colors, though. It's that he's just, he's just, he doesn't care. No, he literally, the reason people are so angry is because he really did have a lot of stuff to say about how Saudi Arabia, I wouldn't go there, they'd come people's heads off, blah, blah, blah, like, he was really vociferous in his, I ain't fucking going. Well, but he's been woke on every topic lately. He's been, again, he's a darling. He's like everything he's, you know, he's been standing up to the mat. Yeah, but only because it's almost like someone's dad who's not a Trump voter. Like, you're kind of shocked that a guy like him is actually not on board with all.

all this right wing. Especially because he sort of was before. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, it's almost like, oh, we've won him over. Yeah, exactly. He's on our team now. The thing is like, Aziz Ansari has a movie coming out, has money, and it's like, how much could they be giving you?

You're willing to go over there and then go on Jimmy Kimmel and defend why you did it. And look like the guiltiest dude ever, by the way. His defense was like, oh, like literally wide-eyed terror the whole time trying to defend itself. None of them. Like, how much money could it be? Are you not successful enough? Is Dave Chappelle not rich enough? Is Kevin Hart not rich enough? Wait, Kevin Hart went to? I haven't really followed much of this, to be honest. And then they're doing all these videos. Hey, you and me, Royal Family, let's hang out, bros. Yeah, it's like, just stop being so fucking greedy. You guys are unbelievable. They don't got bills to pay. If someone's got a mortgage to pay and they have to do this because it's like, well, it's this or nothing. I haven't already made it. I need this money. They own what I

do. I'm in the same position in esports, right? E-sports is owned by gambling, by crypto, and by the Saudis. That's just the truth of it. But I also have bills to pay that are not paid in the same way that all of Kevin Hart's bills forever are paid. Dave Chappelle never needs to work again. None of these

fucking guys ever needs to do this for the money. They'd just being greedy. And that is what drives people. I feel like at this point I'd be happy if Dave Chabelle never did work again. Like, I used to really like him. I used to really like him. He was so funny. He was so It's fucking, I can't listen to him at all anymore.

He's good to go. He's good. All of these people who went, that's a great list of people to just cancel. Let's get rid of them. I mean, honestly, I don't know enough about all of them, but it's, I don't follow. I don't follow comedy. It's always meant to speak truth to power. Wasn't there a lesbian comic who went and performed out of this big comedy festival?

And she, that's a country where if you're a lesbian, you get imprisoned and tortured and killed. It's not a good place for lesbians. It would be great. It would be great if they liberalized over the next few years. And install Blender before you go to Saudi Arabia, if that's the case. They check your phone when you land. Oh, you got Blender on here. You must be a lesbian.

It's just crazy to me that these guys are so rich and they could easily have taken some kind of stand here, but they just decided not to. I mean, how much money can it be? I mean, are we talking that they're offering Dave Chappelle like $50 million to go out there? Are they paying Bill Burt $25 million to go out there? Because those are the sorts of money where people would just go, do you know what, I can't turn that down? Can it possibly be that much? Because if it's 100,000 to do this show, they can go fuck themselves. These guys are millionaires, multiple times over, and it's still not enough.

Fuck them. Get them off the list of comedians and just call them what they are. They're just shills. Well, apparently she has donated her fee to a human rights organization and apologized. So why didn't you commit to doing that in the first place? If they all went out there and said, yeah, we'll go there. She has expressed sincere regret for the comedy festival. If they had agreed, if they had said at the start, yeah, I'm going, but I'm giving

every single penny to this charity ahead of time. People would have probably been like, yeah, cool, but they didn't, of course. Now they're trying to claw back some respect. I think they've lost so much respect. I think there was a big backlash on this for sure. And I think she... She's a lot of the backlash, but I haven't really followed it overly. But again, I don't really follow any...

comedians. I don't regularly watch any comedians. Comedy for me died when poor old Norm MacDonald passed away. That was only a couple of years ago. I know. I haven't. I haven't watched this. I haven't processed. The thing is, like, she says this stuff, this wonderful stuff, which is like, you know, this is, you know, I got a guarantee from the government that I'd be able to perform LGBT material. And I hope that this could help LGBTQ plus people in Saudi Arabia feel seen and

valued. You can tell, right, the Saudi government just had cameras going. Anyone who went to her show, they put their names on a list, right? You reckon. You know, and then they're going to be all rounded up and fucking, you know, sent to whatever the equivalent of the gulag is. Do you mean, it's not fucking good. I mean, the problem is if you were in Saudi Arabia and you criticise the government, if you're a journalist, or you're critical of the government or the royal family, they will lock you up. Like, that is just a fact. There's no fucking around with that. Now, if they had had this comedy festival and said, we are being completely open, you guys can say whatever you want.

We don't do that controlling speech. You want here, you can say what you want. You come here, you can do what you want in the comedy festival. But they didn't. They gave them a bunch of topics they can't talk about. And that is what a lot of people who talk about, you can't see anything these days. Oh, we can't say anything with freedom of speech.

They're happy to step all over that for money. And that, I think, is what people are most annoyed about. You cannot fly a flag for freedom of speech and say, we should be able to say what we want you can't silence comedy but then go like oh sorry how much money oh yeah

I won't ever mention those things then why are you being so disingenuous to shit you've said fucking crazy I always kind of got bad vibes but as is Ansari

and Bill Burr and all these people in the same way that you have bad vibes listen you have bad vibes about Andy Circus for no reason

but I understand I have to look this guy up now I think I've established Andy I think there's a much better reason to have bad vibes about all of the people that went to this comedy festival.

Andy Circus doesn't look like he's got terrible hygiene problems. It just looks like a normal guy. I think half film's hung out with him, dude, and they'll tell you, he probably smells nice. He's probably nice. I'm just saying. Half films got to hang out with him?

Yeah, they did a thing with him. He's 61 years old. You'll ask him about it when you're down. He's 61 years old. I'm 61 years old. He's not going to be loaded out of programming you, Genezy. I call me a pumperickie.

I'm in a bricky. life on a brick he's been in he was in Lord of the Rings yes he was Gollum oh no that's in 2027 sorry he was Gollum

Rise of the Planet of the Apes War for the Planet of the Apes The Lord of the Rings Fellowship Oh yeah There you go Have you never heard of him Before

Have you never heard of him before said No I have heard of him before I just didn't realize It was this person I see I have very little knowledge About this man

But he seems fine I don't know what the, what the problem is. Like, what, what's the beef? Just do your research, mate. That's all I can say on that. I've just done a very, very, very brief amount of research. And my conclusion is that this guy seems like he's probably a fine guy. Well, there you go.

So I ask you once again, what's the beef? I just just a vibe. It's just a vibe. He just has a bad vibe about it. It's like, you know, when you see someone. Would you be rude to him if you met him in real life? No, never, never, never, never. Right.

I'm not rude to people. Who would you be rude to in real life? Lewis. Fair play That's a good show I'm not to be rude to me as well actually Yeah If someone was really

If someone had like If I had some kind of beef with someone I generally if there's someone I don't like I just ignore them Whether that's rude or whatever I don't know But if there's someone I don't like I will just I won't engage with them I'm not going to waste my time

You're not going to fix someone Who you find annoying Or that you don't get on with or anything You just move on Life's too short anyway Yeah I don't need to work that hard on someone that's for sure

it looks in this picture that he's trying to hold his breath because Andy Circus smells so much that's what I'm just saying in that still that he's posted in the Discord is like oh my God he's just waiting

for someone to open a window maybe he's got some really poopy diapers maybe he's not toopy diapers I posted a screenshot from the Hatfield's video where they met Andy Circus and I remember this because they're all sat there on a sofa

looking really bored playing some fucking thing on the telly Looked like they're having a miserable time. Yeah, it really looks bad. Oh, yeah, there he is. He's just sitting there with Trot and... Do you reckon when Andy Circus does something disgusting that he apologises for it in the Gollum voice?

Do you reckon? He's like, oh, I just fucking gracious, ah, like that. This is some unfair shade being... This is a little bit of relation. I'm sure he's so personal. I'm sure he's fine. I'm sure he's fine. Where did Andy Circus touch you?

It's just funny. It's just funny. If you're a big fan of Bill Burr, I'm sure he doesn't be his wife. I'm sure he's fine. I haven't seen, I don't think I've ever seen any Bilber stand-up. I know of him. But I haven't ever watched him do a stand-up. Most of these big stand-up comedians are not really that funny.

They're okay. A lot of them were better when they were younger, I think. But like, you know Louis C.K., I think his stand-up is okay, like when it was good. Now, you know, he's kind of done all this creepy stuff. He's not been canceled as such, though, has he? Well, he was. But now he's back. He's somehow slalomed around.

Yeah, he just takes some time off and come back and make a joke about it and people pretend it didn't happen. And it's something that people can overlook. Do you think he's lost a lot of his fan base through what he's done? No. Well, he's the thing. His fan base doesn't give a fuck. Really?

His TV show, Louis is genuinely a brilliant, brilliant show. I watch some of that. Is that the one where he has the big thing. He's trying to go through customs at the airport and he's got like a gallon of lube. all that kind of yeah it's like it's genuinely i think his stand-up i don't really enjoy i never really did but that show is a piece of brilliance an absolute piece of comedy brilliance and i think it's a real shame that he turned out to be a no-good nick because that show is brilliant and i really really like that and a lot of these guys i think i'd like them in stuff other than their stand-up

like their stand-up is the worst part of their career i mean jerry sylfeld's stand-up for example is so lame it's just the most mid do you ever notice It's like literally boring, boring, boring. Oh, God. But Seinfeld is one of my favorite shows. He went through, he's gone through these such hateful phases too. Like, you know, like the show Seinfeld is great. But then when he went through the whole sort of like he's some comedy scientist thing, you know,

like almost like he was like the gatekeeper of comedy, like, yeah, he went through that phase. And now he's just in this like super hateful phase. Like maybe he always has been. I don't know. But like, uh, like what the hell? happens to people. He's 71 years old. They're going to keep working. You know, what happens to people, though? Why did people just go so insane? Like, I don't feel like any of us have gone insane. Yeah, but he's always been like, we've always been like, we've always been just like

the same old pretty much. He dated a 17 year old. I know, I know. Yeah. This is while they were doing Seinfeld as well. Like, she was really young. So Shana. That's her name. Yeah. But like, I saw a clip of him and he was being hateful and his son was being hateful and stuff as well. I just think, why, why you have so much? Everyone's on edge, man. Why why choose to just be so hateful? He's got all the money in the world. He's got, he's got all the privilege that that money affords and everything.

Like, why just choose to be such a piece of shit with it? You know, like why? Yeah, it's a shame. And especially if you feel like you have opinions or whatever that conflict with someone. many other people's opinions and stuff, man, you've got so much money. Just keep them to yourself. Like, why do we need to even see you? Like, most people would make as much money as he's made and you would never see them again. They would quite happily just go off and do their own thing and just enjoy the freedom that their fortune affords them or whatever. But like,

we just have to constantly hear from these people all the time. It's just ego, isn't it? Yeah. I feel like politics is the same these days too. It's all, it's these people with like just so much money and just think, why are you doing this? You've got everything. You do not need to do this. But they want to, they think that the next level is that the money is the one thing, right? And the lifestyle and everything. But now it's like, well, I'm also important. And the things that I have to say and what I believe is therefore also important. So it's time that I really put my stamp on things and save the world. And they just get committed to some ideology and that becomes their entire focus and personality

and they just can't shut up. Lose news. Yes, please. So, Andy Circus found guilty of stinking the plate up. Is that the headline?

There is, Andy Circus found guilty of wiping boogies on the royal on his girlfriend's sleep. I've sent you a picture of four James Bond covers. Can you tell

what's wrong with these? Do you tell what's wrong with them? Oh, is it AI? Hang on. No, They're actual Jaseball covers. Is it the wrong body with the different head? Sean.

Look at the golden eye one particularly, and the Doctor No one particularly. And look at their hands. Oh, yeah. They're all doing like a fist. It almost looks like Chris Brosnan looks like he's just putting a surgical glove on to fist somebody. Now, why do you think his fist would be like that shape? Because he's wanking off. No, because he was holding something that's been digitally erased.

Oh, they had a gun removed. So they all were holding a gun. Oh, and they were. had the gun, oh yeah, of course, Dr. No, Sean Connery looks like he would have been holding a gun there as well. Yeah, so Amazon has been digitally erasing guns from the James Bond posters. Just the posters. Because often the film opens with someone getting shot. So what's the point?

Well, in fact, the intro for James Bond has the did it, do it did it, did it, did it. And the camera pans to him and he turns and shoots you the audience. So what's the point? I know. And I don't really understand why. this is happening. I assume maybe it's the James Bond people are trying to make them more following Amazon's rules or something or something's going on in that someone thinks that if you have a gun

in the thumbnail, you know, it'll be penalized by the algorithm or something like this. You know what I mean? It's the world we're living in now where, you know, people are so crazy about these little things that, you know, who knows? By the way, the Sun and the Daily Mail have denounced this as woke. Right. Is it woke? What the, they could just call anything woke, anything bad, they just call

they do call everything woke. That's the thing. This is the world we live in now, where everything, everything that goes against what certain people think is just immediately denounced as, as woke. like that's such a bad thing you know like it's just so it's crazy

that's bizarre isn't it so do you want to know the reason why we have fingers and it's your and like if I try and ask you to guess so that we can shoot James Bond's gun

with uh with our nice with our fingers so is it is it so you can finger girls come on no it's just asking he said it's not the reason you think How is that an evolutionary imperative?

Right, I see. I mean, my first guess would be eating food. And, of course, oh no, it's not that. Manipulating tools. If you didn't have fingers, you would not be able to pick your nose. You would not be able to pick your bum either. Are you ready for the answer, according to a paper written from nature or whatever? It is fish buttholes.

Fish buttholes are the reason. we have fingers, a study has discovered. Apparently new research into the origins of the formation of digits shows that the DNA switch controlling finger and toe development got a

tumble start regulating the formation of fish cloacas 380 million years ago. So my hand is a fish cloaca. It's evolved from that. I mean, in a sense, we are worms, right? Our mouth and our anus are linked.

I'm not a worm. Basically, we started off as like spore. We are just, well, but, but, okay, we were a spore. Dildonians. And now, then we were a worm. And now we're like a fucking hairy appendage attached to a worm with fingers. Just describe me perfectly. You got a hairy appendage attached to a worm with fish anuses for hands.

That is, that is not news, is it? But thank you. It's good. Work. That study sounds like it went, it sounds like everybody involved on that study started smoking crack very early on into the study. I don't know how you get these outcomes from such a study. How do you go? How do you get there? How did they get 380 million years ago and why fish anus as well? Did you see the Red Dead Redemption 2 mod that when you kill an NPC, it goes into that NPC's head and it plays them their memory

it plays you their their best memories oh my God that's horrifying so they have like a that sounds incredible it's like they're having their like their whole life flashes before their eyes before you've shot them but you kill them and they

their life flash before those but you see it and it's like them holding a baby like oh my go is there any it would be so good if there if there was some way where it could capture parts of your interactions with them as well, you know, like they're standing on the street and they just see you ride by, but it's like not staged footage. It's like actually captured from you at some point riding by them or something. You know what I mean? That would be kind of

funny. That would be such a funny thing to have any game. It's honestly pretty wild. It's been a bunch of YouTubers who've been playing. It's a really funny mod. And the guy who made it, like for example, there's um like you know you'll kill this guy and he'll he'll do like a he'll cut to him having like a monologue about rick and morty or something it's oh it's good it's good stuff it's funny stuff um finally hideo kajima uh you know him the crazy japanese game dev he famously uh is um there's a he famously thinks it's a ghost that haunted his production studio right okay yeah And he has been trying and it has succeeded. This is an un-listenable.

You've got to go out every 10 seconds. All right, fine. Hideo-Kajima had a ghost haunting his studio. Say yes, if you hear me. No. No. I must say, I heard Hidio-Kajima and haunting a studio. Ghost.

I thought he was still alive. There's a ghost haunting Hideo-Kajima's studio, yes. Yes. There's a ghost haunting Hideo-Kajima studio. Right. And he has recorded it. Okay. He's recorded it.

Yes, he's recorded it. He's recorded it. And he's going to put the sound of the ghost into his upcoming horror game. Right. Cool. Good for him. That wraps up this week's podcast.

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