Triforce! - Pickaxe Week 2025 | Triforce #333

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

Triforce! Episode 333! Live from Pickaxe Week 2025 it's the Triforce! People getting abducted (and, of course, banging the aliens), questions about Sips' flowers, plane landings and Lews News in a bumper, action packed episode! Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to TriForce Live. Sorry, we're a little bit late. Pflanks refuses to join the Discord channel until I've joined. And because we're doing this live, I'm actually in the studio. So, Prian was like, oh, I guess we're not doing it today. He didn't explain why I do that. Why do you do that? We've spoken about this previously.

So let's get this podcast off to a great start. Me and Flacks have moved in together where you're in the same room right now. It's crazy, isn't it? It's our desks facing each other. It's the evolution of the shitty background. Hey, Sips, how's you going over there? You get over there, yeah. So the reason is that if I join the channel and I don't care, I don't care.

For 15 minutes waiting for your late-ass to walk two feet across the square to your house. That's the tidied-up version of your background as well, P-Flex. Normally it's worse than this. You got to clear out, right? Why aren't you commenting on Sips's background? Well, Sips is got three children, two of which are younger. You know, yours are off going around. Camden market doing shopping for makeup it's a very different experience for Sips you know

all kinds of stuff look where am i meant to store my snorlax huh just what am i just you meant to just chuck him out the way you know my uh my garage is a dump frame picture of the hs some of that stuff behind me is mine but most of it is not yeah oh that's a nice copy of a book is recommended that wasted a great deal of money thank you very deal of money how much do you spend on that about the same as a pint 20 quid For a hardback Anyway it's a good book

I've enjoyed it I finished all seven of them now I'm gonna go and see him live as well In Cardiff I'm gonna go team live He's doing a live Oh oh I loved your books I'm so I'm gonna be

Yeah I don't give a goddamn He's gonna be like that What if he's like in his 80s And write these books I don't know He's like one of us He's got beard

And he's played video games All of his life Is this like your Do you want me to come with you Is this like your ghost face killer like my mom accompany you

and just act bewildered the whole time what's going on look it's nice to show moral support to your friends that you haven't seen for a while so maybe yeah maybe you could fly over

so we're live and as a result we are slightly more unhinged so that means we prepared something right people actually prepared some

yes I've prepared something for you. It's about UFOs. Now, obviously, we did that. Me and Simon did a bit of UFO stuff on Peculiar Portions recently. I didn't say that to you. But if we were talking about this, we were talking about this in our...

In fact, checking my WhatsApp, you said... Wait, where's the message? I said... So, first of all, SIP said that he was hoping that he was going to be raptured. This is where the conversation about UFO abductions came off the back of the rapture

that was meant to happen yesterday. He was hoping you won't have to do this podcast. As far as I know, nobody got raptured. Oh, that's a shame. Maybe there's a better chance of them getting abducted by aliens. Probably. They said that it was going to happen at 1136 or something like that. Yeah.

And when it didn't, they were like, well, it's a very gradual process. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a cue. You know, they didn't say that at the start. You got a, you got a vape flax. You could have put a pair of sneakers on the floor of your room and then had some vape some vape smoke coming out. of them.

Shit, I've been raptured. I'm gone. Sorry, honey, I've been raptured. I don't need dinner, I think.

I think there's phone in heaven. Just disappeared. Oh, man. But then I said the topic for tomorrow is UFO

abduction stories. How does that sound? And Sips posted a giff of himself being raptured or someone being raptured. I love the idea of the rapture.

I love that somebody could maybe, you know, do you ever hear about the couple that fake their death in a canoeing accident and then just went to live in South America or whatever. Yes. Was it Spain or somewhere and then they got spotted didn't they? They got spotted, yeah, somehow. I thought it was just the husband that fake feigned his death so that his wife got the life insurance and then they just went live together in Spain. It's funny. I often

think of that, not because I want to do it, but I just think it's so comical, but also it'd be funny like if somebody, you know, staged their own rapture. He was the only guy. Everybody believed it. He's just living in Spain or South America somewhere, just having fun. We're in a big fake mustache. Left his old life behind, yeah. Yeah, Kayak Man.

Something like that, yeah. All right, so let's start off with Project Blue Book. Have you ever heard of Project Blue Book? Yeah, Project Blue Book gets mentioned in the Twin Peaks universe a lot. It does, yeah. Yeah, it was a, basically what they think is the U.S. government's UFO project or ongoing project, and it's all classified information, and it's in Project Blue Book. They were investigating UFO arrivals and abductions and any sort of evidence there was relating to UFOs was in Project Blue Book. But it was a real thing.

It wasn't like a myth or anything like that. Sorry, let me move my microphone somewhere a little closer. Maybe you can hear me better. It was the systematic study of UFOs from 1952 till 1969 when they wrapped it up. Yeah. And the summary was that no UFO was reported, investigated, and evaluated by the Air Force was ever an indication of a threat to national security, because that was their big concern was national security.

There was no evidence that there was no evidence found full stop. They didn't find a single thing. But this didn't stop a lot of people from claiming that they'd seen them. For a second, though, was this actually talking about extraterrestrials? Was this just Cold War UFOs in their original sense, which was Russians spy planes? No, no, no. So number three, for example, the third of their conclusions was no evidence indicating the sightings categorized as unidentified were extraterrestrial vehicles.

I mean, UFOs, as a term, didn't start off with aliens, though, did it? It started off with, as an official term, to describe things that were, you know, probably a foreign power, not necessarily like aliens, right? But I think it very nowadays, when we say UFOs, oh, welcome, I'm now in, now I've got an equally busy warehouse in my background. Thank you, T.J. But, Jeremy, now, you know, when you say that it was a government thing to check out UFOs, they weren't actually looking for aliens in 1959, right?

Yes, they literally were. They were trying to decide whether they were extraterrestrial. In addition to... I'm really dangly gray guys that are all smoking dupes. I mean, the third conclusion was that there's nothing extraterrestrial about anything that is unidentified. So I think the main thing was they weren't saying, we're looking for aliens. I think they were looking, is this a threat to national security, which is there's some kind of military technology we're unaware of.

Failing that, let's find out what the hell these things could be. And in conclusion, is there any chance that any of this stuff is extraterrestrial? And their conclusion was no. I'm pretty sure. That's the point of it. So it did have something to do with aliens. You know, they didn't sort of just think. I always thought aliens were used as a kind of fun cover.

I almost like, well, almost like the U.S. government, I read this whole thing about it and I felt like the gist of it was that the U.S. government didn't necessarily see a downside in having the population believe, the local population believe in UFOs because it kind of helped cover up sightings of their sort of testing their new jets and their new rockets and things like this, right? So it kind of, it was a convenient excuse that they didn't think was harmful because I think it was. the back in the day, they thought, oh, a load of crackpots, you know, it's not going to do anything. They didn't quite realize now how many crackpots there are and how crackpot ideas can actually spread around and become like global, globally recognized ideas, you know? Right. Like, all this stuff seems to come out of the US only.

You never hear about it anywhere else. They're obsessed with it and obsessed with all the other weird shit that you always, seem to hear about but like I always thought the British people were really eccentric and in some ways they are but like the US take the cake every time like I don't know how they manage but they just

oh shit I just got raptured he's gone oh how about that congratulations it's good it's like Christmas you got chosen I'm sorry I'm up here in heaven now I got ruptured but it wasn't aliens how do you feel I've seen a lot of there I've seen a lot of

people make their like rapture TikToks and saying like this is my last TikTok and the funny thing is they start off and they're like kind of like a little bit like oh I'm sorry I'm gonna you know but the message quickly shift like during the TikTok as they get towards the end that they're kind of like maybe if you prayed hard enough you'd be up here with me you're very gloaty they're very gloaty I said if you didn't get raptured maybe you're doing it wrong maybe you got to change a game plan up a little bit indeed indeed not not being a good enough critical Oh shit, I got deroges. Oh, fuck. He's back. Oh, you shouldn't have said that thing about them being gloated. No. No, that's it. You got too close to the truth, so they sent you back.

They watched some of the old streams as well. You know, they were like, wrong guy, send him back. It could have been aliens, though. They could have been picking you up and, like, they gave you a little taste. And they thought, ooh, don't like this one. He's gone. Maybe. They licked my bold head and they were like, hmm, not this one.

What if you could stay in heaven, but everybody was into licking? bold heads. I'm not sure I could stand it. Really? It'd be a bit fucking weird. Talking to Albert Einstein and he's like licking my head, you know what I mean? Mr. Einstein, can I ask you a question about the theory of relativity? He's just like, yes, but first I must lick your head.

You've got a pay on. I want to get home. Like a consistent licking, like it's hard for him to speak. Everyone does it. That's just the thing. That's the culture of heaven. It was a different time. Or it's like more of a greeting. Like you just one lick and then you're done. You can just crack on. Yeah. I think come on.

Like, you know, it's out by Einstein, I'd let him lick my head, you know. He's, you know, people were different back then. You know, they, they had different ideals, didn't they, you know? Yeah, but now they're in heaven. So if you think about it, there has to be. Like having your head licked by a horse. You ever seen his tongue in that picture when he's sticking its, it's massive? He's got like a roll-up tongue.

Yeah, it's huge. But if you think about it, heaven must have its own cultural norms. because if you've got people from throughout history there, they're not all going to sit on separate tables at dinner time, are they? They're meant to intermingle, and they're all one within God's realm of heaven. So you're going to have to have some kind of culture develop where Einstein and Ugg can coexist. I see.

Where, you know, I'm saying there has to be some kind of culture would form within heaven, including presumably social norms. Because, you know, if you just turn up and then it's suddenly like, you're so welcome brother's sister come sit and break bread with me you'd fucking want to kill each other after a week that's ridiculous do you think everybody's nice all the time do you think they debate online in heaven you reckon they're posting on reddit from heaven yeah well lord the wifi has gone down again oh you got to consider that like the things that people really like to do in the real world they're going to expect to be able to do it in heaven too right they got an internet up there

this is the age old thing like oh i just want to have sex with everybody but like are you allowed to even? I don't know. Because I, because is heaven still governed by like all like the, you know, the, uh, can you get booed out? I mean, they talk about fallen angels and stuff, right? They talk about fallen angels. So it must be possible to get booted out. And given that you're in heaven, getting booted out would be the worst thing ever. You can't go to heaven. Can't go to heaven. Yeah, they don't let you in. Well, I mean, I'm not even sure. Don't know murdering anyone. Jack the Ripper. First of all, I think they're pretty select. I wouldn't go in because he wasn't baptized.

Whatever, right? The matter. He wasn't saved. He wasn't saved. Right, but the point is, God can't be like anyone prior to this point. Sorry, you're all going to hell.

No, he was not fair. He was like, he was drowning them all with the ark. Don't you remember the ark? He was like, I'm sick of all you humans. Kill them all. Yeah,

but that's when they're on earth. I'm talking about post that. There must come a point where he... Look, I think in order for God, in order for God, in order for you to make it to heaven, you've got to have done something for God. God is not like sensible.

No, what if you just live a good life? He's a crazy irrational. jealous, cunt. Right, right. So I'm saying that in that case, heaven wouldn't exist at all. It would just, all heaven is,

as a dinner party with God. This is it. He's like, I don't agree with that. To hell with you. You'll go back to hell. You'll go back to hell. Because you don't like eggs.

Well, I'm just saying. No, no, no. I don't like eggs. I don't think that God has the power to send people to hell. That Satan has to accept him into hell. What? Where do they go then?

Pergatory. They go into like the middle bit. So you're telling me, so here's the thing. God is on Nathan. He wants more souls, right? He feasts on souls. Who God?

No, Satan. More souls. God does. Well, maybe God does. I don't know. I've never met either of them. So I don't know what makes a tick or how they work. Couldn't comment on it.

Not me him. Don't know. So let's talk about UFOs, all right? Because we're talking about God. It's harder to pass for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a man to get into heaven or something. isn't it, into their kingdom of heaven? A rich man. Yes. You missed out the whole point of that parable. But what does rich mean? You know, does it mean having a... Well, no, that's how they get around it.

There's a lot of good people who have a rich life, you know? I would say... I'll find the article before we. I read this and this is an explanation for how rich people can be Christian. I can't, I'll never be able to find it in time. But basically it was like, well, what is wealth? You know, maybe it means that a, you know, well, of the of like your mind like it's all kinds of weird stuff like that but then like a rich man like they're saying oh no it's

actually an eye of a needle in this point means a certain part of a castle and you could pass through it but maybe not with everything so you should give some away but you'd have to give it all the way like there was this weird justification based on various translations of

what the eye of a needle I don't reckon I mean maybe even Einstein in heaven you know You know, what, what did he do that was so good for God? Well, right, but I mean, I don't think he was a bad person. Yeah, I thought science was bad. Yeah, his discoveries led to the deaths of millions of people, you know? Yeah.

He's really, he's got to be done. Maybe his soul is highly feastable, feastable. Just saying, and he's got that really long tongue. That's devil. That's delicious. Lunchable. Lunchable, lunchable soul. Snackable.

Feastable, lunchable, snackable soul. All right, so here we go. Humanity, apparently. according to this article on the BBC, has been contemplating the possibility of life on other planets for thousands of years, blah, blah, blah. There was a Greek philosopher in around 450 BC. So that's where we're going back, is it?

We're starting with aliens way back in the past. You'll find out why. It's where our alien journey. Historical aliens. Starts. It begins. Anaxagoras or Anaxagoras. Nice. Tentatively suggested that the moon might not be a god,

which they thought at the time. And he thought it might be a rock, a bit like the earth. And he said it might even have life on it. it. So it says in the BBC article, he was promptly sentenced to death for his insubordination. It's like this is a triangle. We like triangles here. Like you're talking about

weird stuff. He was in fact just forced to retire and sent to somewhere else. So they sent him away. He died of starvation there. So he did die. But he didn't just say, kill that man. At least he wasn't forced to drink

hemlock. No, they didn't do any of that. Like Socrates, I would but he was a clever guy like he genuinely thought some some pretty cool stuff in terms of

well paid the price for it he said he examined the celestial bodies and the fall of meteorites he started to think about things like I like examining celestial bodies as well

proto-istrobed oh hey well we will come to that believe to it later hopefully we will so one of the earliest sort of abduction stories this is

let me find this one for you I don't know if this is the earliest one but this is certainly one of the earlier ones this is 1954 there's this woman called Elizabeth Clara or Clara K-L-A-R-E-R and she is on this hill

in this farm in New England somewhere I think okay she oh no sorry this is this is in Australia let me check The Natal Midlands Where's that? South Africa

South Africa But here we go Elizabeth Clara was a South African woman Who started in 1956 Publicly claimed to be in contacted by aliens Multiple times Between 1954 and 1963 Okay

Her first visitation allegedly occurred when she was seven And then gradually she built up Relationships of the aliens Including the fact that she claimed to have had sex With an alien Of all the people on this planet They chose her Yeah.

Just randomly in South Africa, you know, just the moon and the stars aligned and this was this was the person that they were going to make contact with and have sex with as well. So this is this is my favorite bit. She goes into the ship. She meets the inhabitants of the ship. This is on a hilltop. She meets them. And then she, after meeting its habitants, she was returned to the hilltop. During the encounter, kisses were exchanged.

And this alien, Akon, revealed that Elizabeth was in fact a reincarnated Venusian and long-lost soulmate. And he further explained that they occasionally took Earthwomen as partners, as the offspring strengthened their race with an infusion of new blood. So, of course, she has sex with the alien. Like, that's a big thing, and then she claims to have had a baby. She described their lovemaking as, I surrendered in ecstasy to the magic of his lovemaking, our bodies merging in magnetic union as the divine essence of our spirits became one.

Now just bear that in mind 1954 she's talking about having sex with aliens Okay well okay again right there's clues though right Because it's very inspired by a product of sci-fi of the time About that time we sort of believe that there could be Martians people on Mars or people on Venus Venus yeah yeah now we know that there aren't right because we've sent probes up and they've had a look at it's just a fucking sofuric as a nightmare No one there But people aren't talking these days when they talk about their a abduction stories that they were abducted by a Martian or a Venusian, right?

They're not, they're like, you know, they're not, they don't say these things because we, they're not in the popular consciousness, right? Right. So it's kind of almost a telltale thing that it's come from sci-fi or stories or popular culture, right, that's influenced this thing. You know, if an alien says they're from Venus, or whatever, we're, we're, we're probably. pretty sure that's not the case. Pretty sure. Like, I don't know, like, 95% sure. There's no aliens there.

It's hard to see. Maybe they've got, like, really well-insulated houses under there. Well, I mean, that's how, if I were to write a story about Venetians, I would have course, I mean, the Russians did, I think it was the Russians, landed an actual probe. They sent it through the atmosphere of Venus. Yeah. And you can see all the images. It looks like shit.

I think it lasted for, like, 10 minutes or something, because it was like. It did last for a while. basically putting a probity to like an acid oven. Exactly. The pressure and the... Incredibly awful atmosphere. If anything were alive down there, it would be like some crab monster or like a cockroach. And that's not giving you some celestial fucking experience, is it?

A crab monster. You're not having sex with like a crab monster and being like this was my fucking cracking life, you know, great sex. You know, blew my mind. Why do you go against crab monsters? Crabs are people. Mr. Pinchy was the best sex I've ever had. The pids turn. I especially liked when he was clicking and clacking the old man.

It really turned me on. Never been hornier, in fact. So there was a guy called Antonio Villis Boas. While working on his family, this is 1957, in Brazil, his family farm in Brazil. 23-year-old Antonio Villis Boas claimed to have been abducted by extraterrestrials. He said he saw a large egg-shaped craft with a cupola on top contained. a rotating red light, so a giant egg with a big spinning red light on top. Okay. The craft landed by extending three legs, after which several five-foot-tall

beings disembarked. Antonio tried to escape on his tractor, but the engine died, and he continued on foot. He was eventually captured by the beings. You can run faster than a tractor can drive. I mean, why wouldn't you get any tractor? It's so small. He's very slowly getting away, like chug-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-jub. He was captured by the beings who wore gray overalls and helmets. He was taken upon the ship, whereupon they took the helmets off, they had small blue eyes and communicated via a series of animal-like grunts. Once aboard the ship, Antonio was stripped naked and covered in a gel. He was led into a large semicircular room through a doorway adorned with red symbols. He was later able to recall these symbols with perfect clarity. Of course,

if you've made something up yourself, probably possible to recall it with clarity. The beings took blood samples from his chin, before moving into a third room where he was left alone for half an hour. I don't know how he knows it was half an hour. A gas was pumped in which made him nauseous. Then the nausea abated. The doors opened and a naked female alien of the same species joined him. Antonio recalled that she was very attractive, with platinum blonde hair and red pubic hair. She had a pointed chin and large cat-like eyes. He felt a powerful attraction to her and they engaged in sex, wherein instead of kissing him, she nipped him on the chin like a little cat.

Where he'd been their blood sample had been taken from. Bizarre. After the act, the woman smiled, patted her belly and pointed upward before leaving. He was given his clothes back, churn around the ship, and then scored off. What does that mean?

Shown around the ship awkwardly, like, I just had sex with one of ours. Here, do you want to see where we cook our food? Thanks for the space, baby. Yeah, I love that. Well, thanks for having sex with the alien woman. This is our library. this is our washing machine and our dryer here for our space clothes yeah really odd to then give him a tour you'd start with the tour wouldn't you um but yeah there are loads of these you know what here's here's another classic one sharon gilbert she's an author reporter and co-host of skywatch tv a geopolitics enthusiast and christian podcaster she takes on many roles in other words she fucking does it all this woman's a real virtuoso

on the on the on the jim backer show she discussed her alien encounter what makes sharon's story interesting it's not interesting just going to ruin that for you um is that it's the opposite of the typical alien encounter again untrue most of them start witnessing with witnessing the spacecraft before seeing the aliens however there were no indications or warning signs for sharon her encounter began as a frightening confrontation while lying in bed an alien visited her in the form of her husband her husband was lying in bed and something disguised as him lifted out of his body she insisted the creature wanted to have sex with her the communication between the two was internal before she pulled the mask off she told the creature Jesus is real she revealed that it looked like a gargoyle with reptilian features so of course they always want to have sex it's all about sex with the alien they don't want to have sex and they all seem to have like human like behaviors and traits as well you never hear somebody say like, oh yeah, craft landed and a hatch opened and just

a bunch of really stinky goo came out and just started dripping everywhere and then it left. I had sex with the goo and then it left. Like 20 chimpanzees came out or something. Like it's always like somebody told me

that my favorite conspiracy theory is actually true and then we had sex. Every alien counter story. Every encounter story is that I love the idea that she woke up the next morning and her husband was like there in the bed and she was like did that

did you try and have sex with me last night and he was like no no she's like no I didn't I wasn't dressed up as a lizard either wait did you say that or did I exactly and she's like well it must be I'm just filling in the blanks here I'm just guessing

that you know are these people I always wonder if these people are supremely gullible, right, and really just, their brains are just, they're just a sucker. They're like, they are, they just fall for everything and they can't help it and they, they, they just believe everything. Or are they a grifter, right? Are they actually knowingly making money off of this in some way? And I think it is often, often in the case of an influencer, it's money, you know.

I just think, like, first of all, how much money can they be in this? Like, genuinely, how much money are they making? I'd love to know. That's the thing. But who's never got rich of claiming they were abducted? But it doesn't, you'd be surprised how little people would, would do for it. You know, if they can get a couple of hundred bucks or something on Twitch or whatever or something, they'll do it. Like, these people are, you know, it's usually their second job.

They've got a real job, you know, but they're doing this in their spare time. They're hoping to make it big. but it's America, you know, it's a gig economy. You've got to make a little bit, we're making a living right now chatting about it. That's true, Chesterton. So you're saying you've got a side hustle as someone who's claiming to be abducted by aliens. All you need to do is have one kind of reinforcing thing happen where someone pays you something for it or someone's like, I totally believe you and they're or they're impressed with you

or they're like, thank you for telling the truth. Like, all you need is one moment like that to convert someone into this kind of person who has this moment where they're like, damn, I can actually. So Chesterton says we're making a living chatting about it. I will say this. We don't just do this topic every week. And those people, that's their whole thing. So every single episode of her podcast is presumably about God or alien deductions. Well, she's got a whole broad breadth of conspiracy nonsense that she believes.

I'm sure she does. But here's the thing, the audience for that is inherently going to be much smaller, because most people are going to go a lot of bollocks and not listen to it. At what point, though, that's the interesting thing, though, like, at what point, like, how many people listen to a lot of this stuff because they find it entertaining? And how many people listen to it and actually fully believe it? And there's tons of people that fully believe. A lot of these stuff, which is insane. I also think a lot of there's a lot of excuses for these stories, right? Like, in terms of genuinely. in abductions just that are dressed up to, you know, be some sort of hidden thing or where people get drugged or people just taking drugs and having a weird, bad, like, psychedelic experience, you know, or dream. You know, dreams are very, you know, our brains are very mushy and stupid and shit. And people can believe that dreams are real very easily. And, and, you know, if you're, you know, the brain, it's complicated. It's a kind of mental illness, I imagine, that you have.

that makes you think that your dreams are real and I'm convinced that that's the thing. But it seems like a very easy thing to happen. And I think, and that's partly why, again, they're so influenced by the culture of the time. You hear this all the time. I'll be honestly, the eludes. I think you're 100% right.

I also think a lot of the time people probably have a drinking problem and don't want to admit it and get fucking hammered and have a weird dream and wake up and think, Oh, God, I'm not to buy it. That's why I feel so terrible.

That's why all my vodka's gone. missing. You know, I think that's probably a lot of the time it's literally someone on something. Yeah. When I said genuine abductions, I meant genuine reductions by other people. Do you mean, that does happen. People get kidnapped. People get like, you know, taken. Yeah. And by other people, by gangs or criminals or whoever. And they get, you know, this, this does happen. We're not talking about that, though. We're talking about aliens. No, but I imagine that, you know, in the case of, I think some of these stories who feel. Well, you think some of the, some of the Real abductions are also fake.

It could be, well, no, I think that some of the, I don't know, it's complicated. What about that kid that the family claimed the kid had gone missing and he was in the basement? It happens all the time. The parents are like, well, kids gone missing and he's just in the basement or whatever. What, they put him in the basement or he's hiding? Yeah, no, they were keeping him in the basement and totally mean to him and claimed he'd been abducted. Was that not the, there was that balloon boy one where they said that the kid was in the balloon. The balloon boy one where they said the balloon had taken him, yeah.

what did uh what did fritzel say about all of his family members that he had in the basement they were just having good time let's let's find out haven't thought about all fritzel in some time why me neither i was happy to have not thought about him for some time and now now i'm thinking about it minutes i don't know aliens of shit in my pants says uh sign in sight 1927 nice oh god they're always doing that to me too well i mean yeah we've talked about aliens a little bit because I did read a whole book about conspiracies like back in the day in Byzantium they would see things in the sky but it was actually physical sailing boats you know I mean they kind of would say that people would report what they knew right they

they thought oh there must be some sort of boat that can fly to the moon you know that is a different person in a different country has but if the world was a lot smaller and so people see what they're expecting to see a lot of time you know if you like this is the If you like this stuff about Project Blue Book and the Air Force investigations into all this stuff and whatnot, there's some good tie-in stuff in Twin Peaks. If you've never seen Twin Peaks before, it's more like, it's not so much about aliens, but the same people that are investigating aliens are aware of this sort of like, almost like dimensional rift that opens up and there's, you know, some evil pouring into the world.

and with the lodges and stuff. And it's got, it's kind of cool if you like that sort of stuff. The Twin Peaks is such a vibe, right? Like it's slow burning, but it really sort of. Yeah. It's a trip. It's a trip. It's a trip.

It's very slow, but kind of, I don't know, like, it's worth of watch. I did enjoy it. Yeah, when you made me watch it all when I was like, I really go into it. So, you know, he's still alive. Who? Fritzel. Fritzel, yeah. He's 90.

Now, I want you to look up the prison where he's staying. It's called Garston Abbey. It's a former Benedictine monastery, and now it's a prison. It actually looks quite lovely. This is insane. He's 90? He's 90. Oh, wait, okay.

So last year, there was an article on BBC about Joseph Fritzel being moved from a psychiatric unit to a normal prison. He is 90 years old Just doddering around They should keep him in a basement That would be the ultimate surely Yeah they ruled that he can move to a normal He kept his daughter captive for 24 years in a dungeon He built beneath his home and fathered seven children

Seven kids Three of whom didn't see sunlight until he was found You know They busted the place They've never seen other people or sunlight They just lived down What a terrible fucking awful awful thing Yeah it's horrible in there

It is awful. Yeah, really. Yeah. God damn. Well, now he's in a normal prison apparently. And now he's in prison, yeah. So, uh, Mark H says he was abducted by aliens. Clearly remembers awakening one night, unable to move anything but his eyes.

Mark Hume, right. Mark Humes. He saw flashing lights, heard buzzing sounds, experienced feelings of levitation, and felt electric tingling sensations. Most terrifying were the non-human figures he saw by his bed. Mark believes they were aliens. Later, he underwent hypnosis, which always works, to try to recall exactly what had happened. Under hypnosis, he remembered being whisked through an open window to a large spaceship.

He was very frightened when aliens took him into some kind of medical examining room. There, he had sex with one of them. It's always sex with the aliens. That's their primary way of testing things out. We came here to fuck all of you on Earth. Get Cindy in here to fuck this thing. Let's see what happens. Get Cindy.

Yeah, it's every time. It's insane. Bring in Cindy Bot 4,000. Are there any, are most of these accounts from, I guess the first one was the South African lady. Yeah. It'd be interesting to see the spread of alien encounters where they occur by country. Because again, America. It's mostly America, yes.

If you look at the map of UFO sightings, abduction claims, yes, there are some from around the world. There's quite a famous one in China. There's a whole bunch in South America, but it's almost exclusively America, like the USA. They're just... Who else? I also wonder, you know, Captain Kirk... Captain Kirk fucked a lot of aliens in Star Trek.

He was always up there fucking the aliens. So I wonder if Gene Roddenberry was someone who read all these abduction reports. It was like, so the aliens are shaggers, got it. And Kirk now has to be like, He had stuff to every blue-skinned, green-skinned woman. Well, he's the alien, though, isn't he? No, mate, he's normal.

They're the aliens. Come on. Sorry. Did you, I'm just trying to think who else is, what other terrible criminals are still alive? Do you know what I mean in prison? It must be tons, right? Yeah. Domer died a long time ago.

I think the son of Sam's probably still going. Is it the Green River, Green River killer? He was like, I think, one of the biggest serial killers, I think, in Washington State. Rose West. He was people prostitutes. I think he, well, maybe he was given the death penalty. I'm not sure, actually.

Some, um, the Nazi war crime people are still alive. What? Yeah. Bruno Day was a former SS guard at the Stutthoff concentration camp. Um, and, uh, he, uh, is 98. Still going. Most of them are dead. Yaroslav Hunker, Waffanessus veteran.

The Huta Panaka Massacre, the mass murder in a Polish village. He's 100, lives in Canada. There's a whole bunch of them knocking about. 101. Maybe I babysat him before. He would have babysat you. He's 100.

Listen, I'm the babysitter. Nobody babysits me, okay. Okay. Well, a light-hearted podcast. All right, let's carry on with the... Hey, we were talking about eight. Aliens. Yeah, carry up with the aliens. Well, I'm out now.

You're run out. That's it. Yeah, there was 45 minutes of alien jab. That was good, dude. We did 45 minutes of alien chat? Yeah, sorry, brother. That's pretty good. Are you doing, are you going to do a lose news today, Lou? I got some. It's early for news news news. It is early.

You got some, though. You got some news? I got some news. Yeah, Sam, did you guys hear about this comet that we're going to be able to see next month? No. With the naked eyes. Does he got aliens? Like, how big? How big is it going to be?

It's going to be visible. Some people think it'll be as bright as the moon. As big and bright as the moon. As bright as the moon, not as big. If it was as big as the moon, we're in big trouble. It's going to be as bright as the moon. But to be as big as it would have to be extremely big and extremely close. And if that happened, we'd probably be looking at a dinosaur-level chixilub crater event.

Like a full moon? What if it's not actually a comet? And what if it's a UFO and it comes down here and fucks me? Capturing. Oh, it's not going to. What do you mean? No, it's going to rapture everyone. I'll come to it. Everyone, that's why I've sent you that to Kool-Aid, guys, you need to drink. Oh, thank you. I sent it to all the Yonskirts guys. What's that blue juice that people drink sometimes? You see, you see, I think, like, RFK has been cited drinking it like on a plane or something, you know? It makes you inside your mouth blue? What is that stuff? Oh, it's not Kool-Aid. I don't think it's anti-Gatorade.

no i can't remember what's called it's something engine cooling yeah no it's like it's like some blue juice colloidal silver is it that is it the colloidal silver the portal who stuff yeah yeah i think that's it actually louis yeah yeah is it is it colloidal some guy made himself blue drinking it didn't he um jim leahy randy bo bandy man that performance is one of my favorite comic performances he's so fucking good the earlier seasons are even better like the whole like the whole uh bit with like Ricky doing something and then Leahy just having a radar for it you know like he would just like you know Ricky would be like stealing a chocolate bar quietly and then Leahy would turn out and turn up immediately you know the car would like hit

something and they would spill out of the car it was just chaos it was so good Julian's always holding like a rum and coke or whatever yeah like there'll be a car and just get out stumbling around carrying it I like the episode with conkey do you remember conkey

it's conkey Julian yeah that puppy found in the swamp oh yeah the one of the weird ones yeah Trayter Pop Boys was such a good show I've really

I love the episode where Ricky turned his trailer into a hockey rink. You remember that one? No, I turned. His big lessons, hockey lessons and stuff. 15 years since I worked that show. Oh, my God. I love that show.

Oh, that's good. Man, I think my, yeah, one of my favorite bits is when he's redecorating the someone's trailer and it just gets worse and worse. You know, he goes in, it's supposed to install a shelf, but then, you know,

he ends up, like, pulling the water pipes out of the wall and then everything just completely destroys this place oh man i loved it i think like the first three or four seasons i want to say were were the best like you had like uh in in in the first four seasons you had uh the season where they uh where they do the driveway and hash and uh yeah you have all the all the uh all the altercations with uh was it was it cyrus yeah the the rival and then i think so yeah the you consistent had the start of the season they were coming out of prison and the end of the season they'd go back to prison

I don't know if that persisted yeah they always it always began with them coming out and going back there were there were lots of like little subtle bits that they they stuck to in like the in the earlier seasons it felt like apparently like loads of that was just you know unscripted I think they had some vague idea of what how a scene was going to go yeah I mean there was definitely scripted stuff but sometimes there was a lot of improvisation stuff as well. Hashtra. It's just a brilliant show.

We got a question for you Sips from Clayst in chat. In episode 18 of TriForce, this is like seven years ago. Sips promised he would replant the flowers he ripped up to turf. Pryan says there is no chance that he will continue his one-man bee genocide. Did Sips replant those flowers? A turf. I don't even know what you're talking about. What flowers did I, did I?

they're gone they're gone if you got any flowers in your garden at all at the moment yeah yeah we do actually we got a whole bunch of lavender and we had a whole bunch

of marigolds as well in the summer I was walking I was walking down the street the other day and I said we walked past some dahlias and I said to my partner

I said oh I think I really like dahlias and she said to me why don't you marry one then yeah did you sniff it she said to me Dalias, then Dalias are no good because the bees can't get in them.

And I looked at, I stopped. I looked at the Dalia and there was literally a bee on it, going into it. And I turned to my part and I was like, this was like one of those perfect. What the fuck do you call this then? Grabs the bee. What do you think this

is, huh? The fuck do you think this is? It was like a perfectly timed moment. It couldn't have been more like Uh, you know, like immediately, um, I wish, I wish that happened more, you know? Yeah. Did you, did you recommend me this book, Lulu?

I don't think so, no, I think probably some, some listener or something, or someone in your community. It's really, this is a funny book. City on Mars. Tell me about it. So, um, it's written basically from the perspective of why couldn't we build a city on Mars? and like the actual difficulty and misery of living on another planet and why we probably could never do it. And it's like, it's a really good book. It explains all the incredible difficulties of space travel.

And it's all coming to a perspective of, yes, it's possible that there'll be some technology in the future that allows for all this. But for the meantime, we have no idea how to overcome all of the many, many, many problems that come with us living not on Earth. Like anywhere but Earth, it's just going to be a terrible, terrible existence, miserable, grinding peasant life on Mars, beyond anything you could really imagine. I think you have to think about it like you're living in a bunker, right? That's because that's much worse than that, is it? Yeah.

Why? For one thing, but because I don't know if you saw that Elon Musk, world's smartest guy, said that he was going to colonize Mars. and his plan was that they were going to turn all the water on Mars. They were going to heat it up and turn it to gas to give Mars an atmosphere. There's a genius idea he came up with, of course. You couldn't have an atmosphere because it'll just evaporate into gravity. And it doesn't have a magnetic field as strong as ours. So the solar radiation is just going to strip away any atmosphere, and you're done.

Yeah. So you're going to get irradiated. There's going to be no atmosphere. You can't grow anything. Any water you find that you could potentially. use. You can just have to recycle over and over and over again. There's no new materials there for you to do anything. Everything has to be imported. There's nothing. You can't make plastic. There's no fuel. There's nothing. Just rocks and space. And it's even worse on the moon because there's

zero atmosphere. So it's just like what and even getting there is going to be a fucking nightmare. It's just, it's just terrible. It's awful. In essence, we're stuck here. I guess it's yeah. Like we can't fuck up this planet because there isn't an alternative that's even remotely livable. You know, if you did have a colony there, it will be so dependent on us. But then again, like, it's the same with something on the moon. You know, it's not got its own, it's just going to constantly need resources. We've got this incredibly complex economy here of making things.

You know, in order to make a chip, you know, it needs millions of people. Sorry, that's a computer chip. Jimmy, imagine you're on Mars, though. The tater chip takes a million people to make. this potato chip, first someone's got to grow it, and then you've got to water that potato, they've got to pick it out of the ground and scrub the dirt off it, slash it up real fine and cook it in oil, and they put it in a bag with some salt. Serve that chip, one million people per fry.

My kids still get those bags of potato chips, where they have like the little sachet of salt. And you put the salt in, you shake it, yeah. I love something shake. I don't know why I like it, because all the salt ends up on one chip. Yeah, you get one really salty one covered in salt

and then the rest of have like one bit of a bit of I do like them I do like them yeah the um yeah the regolith

on the moon is is bad as well I don't think the Mars what's regalith regalith is the name for the sort of moon dust which is

a layer of loose unconsolidated material I think you'll find yeah it's kind of sharp though like it can be very it's like asbestos type 5 dust broken rocks

and other materials on earth regalith is often refer to as soil, but it lacks the organic matter found in terrestrial source. So regolith on Mars is what soil is like on Earth, but with no organic matter. Yeah, but it's not good, apparently. So you have to be very careful to clean your spacesuits off when you're going out on the surface and stuff like this. There's all these pain in the ass things to do, especially if you're on other planets.

And obviously, like, the lack of an atmosphere is, you know, very, very dangerous. So, you know, Square of Squares says they changed the salt packet color so they can never find it. I thought it was just a little dark blue. It's still dark blue. It is still dark blue.

What's this lad talking about? I don't know. It's dark blue, isn't it? It's always been dark blue. Yeah, you can find it easy. We've always been at war with East Asia. What are you talking about? It's a shame that we're not,

but I mean, I really enjoyed for all mankind. I thought it was a great, great show. It was good. Perian did, like, spoil a bunch of it. Did I spoil it? I think I was like halfway through season two or something.

And Pyrin was like, oh yeah, that guy who does this. Well, that woman who does this. I haven't watched it at all. What is it? It's about, it's about, it's, it's, it's, it opens with a bunch of people in bars across America watching the newscast of, the moon landing.

The moon landing, but the reveal is that it's a Russian astronaut and a woman. And America is. thrown into chaos because, first of all, it makes them look terrible that the Russians got there first. Second of all, it makes them look terrible because a woman got there and women are still, you know, 1960s America was still kind of under the, under the boot a little bit in terms of like what they could do. They weren't, you know, the idea of a woman being a president or a CEO or anything like that was still. A woman was still really unlikely.

so it made them look like more progressive and suddenly America suddenly has to catch up and the space race itself ending America pushes even harder to build the first base on the moon and then they want to go to Mars and they want to build space hotels

like so it takes the space race and says if America winning put a stop to it whereas if Russia had won and kept competing the Soviet Union doesn't collapse and it's all very sub you know it supposes a lot but it's a nice old history show. Yeah, it's clever.

It takes place over like three generation, well, not three, three sort time periods. I didn't realize it was like an alternate timeline sort of thing. I thought it was just, oh, how we got to the moon. Yeah, that's what I thought it was going to be. No, it's quite, it's quite clever because it re-envision

the sort of all the political landscape as well. A bit like the man in the high castle that with the, with the Nazis. Yeah, with all that was, that was sort of. That was sort of, that was sort of. of that was sort of meant to be

not an alternate history but certainly in the novel I haven't finished the TV show I must admit I don't know if it comes up but the whole point of the novel is that the Nazis didn't win there's some weird thing where reality has become twisted and the real version of what actually happened is out there

and there's this film called the Grasshopper Lisee or something like that that is essentially all the post-war newsreel footage of the Allied victory and this film is like forbidden in Nazi America and Japanese America because they split it down the middle

and it hints at the fact that something has gone wrong and they're trapped in the wrong reality. It's like classic Philip K. Dick stuff where it's all what is real and like that's the biggest question which as as I've said before when you're on as much speed as he was on

what is real is a genuine question you probably ask yourself every day. Yeah for sure I think that it's it doesn't need that like Deus X Machina kind of like oh it was all a dream like it doesn't need that to be interesting enough

right but yeah Super Mario too I think a lot of places are a bit of a cop out right at the end like it's just what happens I think sometimes these writers they get a really cool idea

they just run with it and they have fun with it and it's a really cool concept but they're not really have really a good idea to tie it up in a neat bow at the end and I get it

like I think that's a good way to, that's certainly the way Stephen King writes, right? His attitude has always been I'm just gonna fucking go for it and you know worry about tying it up at the end

because life and real stories don't always have neat tying up endings it would be nice if his books were a little neater though because they're like this fucking thick and most of it is just about people living in Maine

Every single thing that happens in all of his books, barring a handful, happen in Maine. I honestly, 100% agree. And I think he just goes for a drive, and basically things that he sees, he's like, I'll put that in, that'll make a chap, and just goes home and boshes it out. It doesn't really make any sense. That's literally what he does. Yeah, that's his thing. Like, he's just...

That plane is landing. That sounds like a landing plane. Grasshopper lights heavy. Oh, that's a lander, baby. That's a lander. And I think that must be coming in from, I want to say, Spain. I want to say it's coming up. I'll check it up right now. Istanbul. Yeah.

It's an early flight. It's an early flight. It's a takeoff. It was a takeoff. It's a takeoff. It's going to Istanbul. Well, fuck me, I guess. It's going to Istanbul. It's going to. Louis, didn't you say it was coming from Istanbul? I did. I did. I did. But it's going to. Is that because you looked it up on flight? No, I didn't. A little cheat, really. TJ, you can confirm. That was just a sheer guess. He's on flight radar right now, isn't it? He's got on his watch. So that was taken off. It was scheduled to take off at 1120. What is the most commonly flown route in the world? What is like the most? I'll look this up. You guys have a guess.

Because what they have like the most flights going out back and forth to? I want number of people, not like small planes. New York to London has got to be one up there. It's got to be an up there a busy route. No, no. I reckon it's something like one of these Indonesian ones where it's like Kuala Lumpur to like, or something like two big, two big islands that are near to each other, are both big cities. Like it would be something like that, right? Must be. So I'll tell you right away, it's Jeju in Korea to Seoul in Korea. Jeju to Seoul. It's a 500, it's a 449

kilometer journey and in 2021 it was flown 17 million seats were flying. out on that route. So these are internal flights, obviously. So let's look at what is the most commonly flown international. And do you reckon that's because they don't have a very good, like, train network? Do you know what I mean? Because I feel like in Japan, that Shinkansen's so good that you would just take that instead of the plane. Is it John Jude? Do you say, Jeju? Where the fuck is Chegey? Hong Kong to Taipei, 6.7 million in 2024. Cairo to Jedda, 5.4 million in 2020. Cairo to Jeddah.

Yeah. London to New York. Where the fuck is Jeddah? Where the fuck is Jeddah? It's in Saudi Arabia. You can take a boat, mate. I think it's not necessarily people who live in New York just going to London for fun. It's, I think you get transatlantic and then you transfer, right?

Like, it's not... Because Jedhu is an island? Yeah. Oh, yeah, you're right, it is. Jeju's on the Yellow Island. No, Jedda. No, Koreans. Oh, I see.

We're talking about the Korean one. So Jeddah, you go there to get to Mecca. That's right. So it is on it. It's on a line. It's Jiu like nice, like holiday destination or something. Let's have a look. Jeju Airport is on Jeju Island.

Jeju Island is it's kind of shape like that. It's off the bottom. It's right south. And it was formed by the eruption of a submarine volcano. Two million years ago. It contains a natural world heritage site, the Jeju volcanic island and lava tubes. Nice.

So there you go. It's a popular holiday destination and a sizable portion of the economy relies on tourism. Let's look at Jeju Island pictures. That's interesting that the most... The most... It's very pretty.

The busiest route in the world is this internal route to a tourist place. I guess it's like number one. Like the thing is, if you look at Korea and where it is, Their holiday destinations are fairly limited. You'd have to go to Western Russia, or Eastern Russia, which doesn't sound very appealing. No.

China, which doesn't sound very appealing. Japan, which is, you know, not that dissimilar to Korea. And then you're going to have to fly much further south. We can't just pop to Spain on EasyJet like we can. It's quite a whole. So I guess maybe a lot more of Korean tourism is internal. Yeah. It's weird

Just a thought Yeah They kind of sandwiched him I mean they could pop to North Korea On holiday maybe That'd be nice It's a one-way ticket But you could go

I like how Infra all mankind Play went over and you guys missed it Because it was teeny tiny Just a small one It was very little Yeah It's a private jet

Oh it is absolutely booting it It is Spain It's going to No it's going to a fucking Luton Airport Nothing beats you Private jet

Take me to Luton immediately. Who can afford a private jet, but wants you go to Luton? Man, oh man, man, oh man, man. Lutin of all places. Lutin. God bless. Td Bank knows that running a small business is a journey, from startup to growing and managing your business.

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and their names are their names are woo and tang no right this is no this is true are they in a clan together it's nothing no it's unrelated it's just a coincidence uh they uh they They apparently intentionally did it. It went viral, very viral, and caused huge... Fuck the police was NWA, not the Wu-Tang Clan. But yeah, they were... It was quite the story anyway. They've been fined for it, but...

There's a lot of money to get fined for pissing in a half-part? They took turns standing on a table and filming themselves urinating into a cooking vessel at an eatery in Shanghai. All right, I don't like the term eatery. Yeah, well, you've been Shanghai, you know what it's like there. I have, I've been there twice.

You just said it was just wall-to-wall buildings. I don't like the term eatery. It sounds old-fashioned, but I don't hate it. It's annoying. It's just annoying. All right, here we go. Big boy coming over. It's an A380, and it's landing.

You have to talk when, for us, the noise gate cuts you off. Oh, the noise gate cuts me off. Sorry, there it is. Can you hear the big boy on his way here? He's coming here. Is it a big? A380? It is not. It's a Boeing. It's a Boeing. Yeah. So keep an eye out for falling passengers. It's a 777. It took off 34 minutes late. Right. It's going to Spain. No. Shit. Uh, Paris. No. It's a big plane. So it's going somewhere far away. At this time of day? It could be going to like, uh, it could be going to East Coast. U.S. maybe. A lot of flights

to the U.S. start off in the morning for some reason. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think? I think if it's a Boeing 777, it's going to New York or maybe Washington or maybe it's going to... West Coast. Oh, West Coast. Wow. Okay. L.A.? No. San Francisco. No, close.

San Diego. Yes. Nice. Oh, I want to be on that plane. San Diego, which means old, old wood. ship. Does it? San Diego.

It's just from fucking Anker Man. What's your, what's another, another, another lose news? Did you see yesterday that the Department of Homeland Security have started using the Pokemon theme tune

to promote kidnapping? Yes. There is a pretty awful video showing like ICE, cops, Border Patrol officers, military agents, blowing people's houses up dozens of people and using the theme tune from the 90s thing. Gotta catch them all, yeah.

Pretty fucking disgraceful, hey. So, yeah, the video includes mock-ups of Pokemon cards where people's mugshots are the art. What a life. What a world we live in. Nintendo has to sue, though, right? I think they have, they've complained. It has sued people for far less than that.

The thing is, if you do, they're very latehious. If you do, then you know who is going to say that they're banned, that Nintendo is banned. Yeah, you know, I'm not planning on going... Don't use Nintendo.

I'm not playing on going to go to America. Don't play Nintendo. I'm going to go to Spain instead. Don't play Nintendo. I've always been a Sega guy. Sonic's the one. Mario's garbage, he says. He's a plumber.

He's not even American. That guy. Oh, good. What's the next news? Related to this Pokemon event, There is a, you know, the really popular Pokemon TCG Pocket, which I've been playing on my phone for the last year. Sorry, what?

There's a game called, basically it's the Pokemon training card game, but it's on phones. It's like one of the most popular phone games there is. You log in every day, you get free packs. Naturally, we don't know anything about it. You get free packs, you open the packs, and there's Pokemon cards in there. Oh, no, Pokemon. Is it Pokemon? It is, yeah.

I've heard of Pokemon. It is. It is. And you play it on your phone, dear? Is it fun? Is it fun? No. It's not fun. What are you playing it for?

Well, shit. Oh my God. It's crack, isn't it? It's cardboard. I just got 15 pounds off groceries. Yeah! Wow! Oh, thanks, Uber Eats.

15 pounds off groceries right there. Just like that. Holy shit. What a great day. Wait, this is the beginning of the rapture. You're not going to get to use that of 15 pounds. Yeah. just got 15 pounds

for off groceries and now I'm going to be raptured. So basically the the Pokemon trading card game pocket are doing a real life event space where you can walk through some Pokemon

cards in life size. So it's going to be an art gallery of life size Pokemon cards. Barry let's get him some tickets because he'd love this. You can walk around it's in Rome in Italy and it's going to be the Pokemon

Pocket Pocket Plaza Did you put it in Rome? Rome's the city of like ancient history and beauty and culture and now you're sticking a fucking you can walk through a Pokemon card What have we come to? No one's going to be looking at this

We should be building things for future people It's cut after Rome It's coming to Westfield London Oh of course it is. What a load of one. Third of October. And then in Madrid, Zips, do you want to go see Pokemon cards when you're a whole day? When is it going to be in Madrid, maybe? Oh, I'm not going to be there. Oh, that's a shame. Reschedule the whole trip. You wouldn't want to miss this. So yeah. And there's going to be. I'm thinking about it. I don't really want to miss it.

There's all sorts of this garbage. There's a Pokemon pop-up shop at the National History Museum happening. People go crazy for this. Well, these Korean chains opened up in Cabot Circus and they did like a hundred give a giveaway for like you know first hundred people get a free corn dog or Korean corn dog or whatever it was it was rammed there was like queuing round around around the whole place it was absolutely they should do a Laboooo instead they should have a if they do like a pop up of this stuff it's it's out of control it's it's it goes it's just so crazy um I think I've spoken before about the Star Wars virtual reality experience that I did it with Field. Yeah, you did.

Which was terrible. All this pop-ups. You said you loved it. Oh, I didn't. It was awful. It was hysterically bad. Like, we were laughing the whole time of how shit it was. So, it was really, really bizarre. Do you remember five? Oh, so sorry, Ms. Cupcakes, who we know, of course. How different would Conclave have been if they had Stanley Tucci walking through the Pokemon experience?

That's true. It would have been very different. When is it going to be at the Vatican? The Pope Canclave? He's American. They love Pokemon. He's American. He loves, can you mention the Pope? getting his phone out playing a bit of Pico. The Popeimon!

They got a Pikachu. Popemon, yeah. Well, he's got Poplio, hasn't he? Poplio. Got to bless him all. God damn it. So, you know Fire Festival? Do you remember this?

Yeah. Yeah. Fire with a one. This is the big scam one, right? That never went ahead. The Fire Festival brand went up for sale on eBay. They said they were doing a second one. Yeah, I thought they were doing a second one.

Have they already canned it? I think it might be canned. But they're basically putting the brand up on eBay. For a tenor. And guess how much it went for? 10,000 pounds. $245,000. Right.

And guess you bought it? Elon Musk. Lime wire. What? No. I know. Fucking hell. Lime wire.

This is this fucking stupid world we live in. First of all, is lime wire still a thing? Yeah, I guess so. At least it's $245,000 worth of thing. Second of all, how did LimeWire make any money? I don't even know. We live in a fucked up world, don't we, with this stupid shit? I didn't even think LimeWire was a place where you needed people to work,

because all it is is a torrenting platform where you can exchange... Was, I can't... I can't build you going. I don't even think it's still going. LimeWire still going. LimeWire was like, was when Napster was like... yeah you know shut down it was the wild west everything you downloaded was like just dog shit it was so bad i did get some good music off lime wire

i didn't have napster never used napster you never had napster i i had napster for a bit and then i think i used lime wire oh god sorry frost wire never heard of frost wire oh it's like the uh I guarantee lime wires, if we look it up, it'll be a company that has 400 employees somehow. I don't look them up right now, line wire. Maybe it's just a company that's still going. It's still going. Maybe it doesn't actually make money. It just gets like given money.

Oh, it's end-to-end encrypted AI-powered file sharing platform. What a lot of shit. God, AI, frightening words. So we've got another like 15 minutes. And because we're doing this live, it will be nice to interact with people live. So, if you want to ask us a question in chat, now's the time. And we'll do a little, do a little, what's it called? LimeWire is now an NFT service.

Oh, those words, they just use the name. Make my bile rise. I know. So it's just a load of absolute shit. Someone wants, CB Zombies wants to say. Wheels was here. Amazing. You did it.

Barron's Bruce's Sipson News, to either of you still play Wow. I haven't played Wow in years, but I'm going to play it this year when the player housing stuff. Well, Wow is this weird thing that is, I'm sure ex-WOW players know. It's always there. It's like ex-users know what the heroin feels like.

And they kind of want it, but they know it's bad for them. And so it does have like this kind of, when we pick up wow again, we realize why we quit. Because the game's pretty dated. Honestly, walking around,

the way you interact, the way you move around, it feels pretty old. Everything, pretty old. Notice how big everything is in that game? Like it's like none of it was designed for people to use it. Like every room,

every stair, like everything is massive. Like it's huge. Like it's like a giant world, but you're just like little, little mice running around in it or something. Yeah, and it does feel like the FOMO is such a powerful aspect of it now and they've built all these very skinner box type mechanics in

which make you feel like you're missing out and you have to keep logging in and they do everything. Because of the way it's built with the subscription service, all they care about is getting you to resubscribe. And they make you, they hook into a lot of your desires with, you know, wanting to complete things, wanting to achieve things,

wanting to, you know, collect things. And they, and they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, just out of reach. Just out of reach. And if you let me build and decorate my own house in it, I'm there for all of it. I'll, I'll do what I mean. And so, so, so I don't know, like, like, I, I think it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's never quite satisfying, sadly. And I think that I've never, I, it's never done. It took me a long time to realize that it was poison and toxic.

And so I don't really want to play well. anymore. Partly because also, like, I don't really have chums, like, that I want to play it with. I think then again, like, we talked about this a lot. Like, if you've got a little group of friends and you want to play the friends-slop games for an afternoon, it's good. It's just an excuse to hang out with friends, right? But I feel like when I was a...

Yeah, like, peak and stuff like that, repo. Next question. What we got? Hate Friends. Tar Trek, the next generation favorite episode, yummy pasta, 1231. Genoa, I was tempted to start watching Star Trek the next generation the other day.

It was on, I think the full, all the seasons are on one of the streaming services. I have some Star Trek next generation related news that you have just reminded me of. Oh yeah. I can't tell you what my favorite episode is, but the ones I don't like are all the ones where they go back to like 1930s Chicago.

You like those? I don't like. Oh, you don't. No, they're out in trouble. Holodeck episodes are pretty universe. Or when Picard goes into the holodeck and does like a full poetry recital for like an episode I hate those ones

so here's my Star Trek related news Marina Sirtis, Deanna Troy goes to, lives in Twickenham, and goes to the same gym as one of Mrs. F's friends so I was like can you get me a picture with Deanna Troy somehow? Why don't you get

down there to the gym, you know, get yourself because that's a little creepy. Get yourself working out and start lifting man do you think she works out in her Starfleet uniform that would be No, because as we know, when her and Bev Crusher do it work out. They wear a special new slinky body outfit. Do you remember the aerobics episode?

I think she'd make an exception just for you, though, Flax? If you went down to the later. She is in her 70s now, bless us. That was my sexual awakening. So, God, I love that. Huge, huge fans. I kind of like Beverly Crusher as well, you know. She was like.

She's great. She was great. Yeah, she's fantastic. I don't know what she was. It's very stern looking, almost like a stern, but in a way that she's not stern like for the bit. Do you know what I mean? Like she's not like femdom stern, where she's just putting it on. She's actually cool.

She just seems unapproachably stern. Professional. Yeah, she's professionally stern. Yeah. I mean, she's quite sweet to Jean-Luc occasionally. I always think, why didn't he just fucking get on with it? Just fucking shagg Beverly and be a nice couple. Instead, he's always like, Beverly, I've got captain's stuff to do it.

They're stuck on the ship together for so long, you know, like you can't. Get it on. You know, if it doesn't work out, they're professional. Maybe he just revels in the, uh, in the, in the sexual tension, you know? Maybe he wants to just have like nonstop all the time sexual tension. He doesn't want to break it. That's got to be worse. I mean, I watched an episode the other day where Picardo is abducted.

Um, and they put a phony captain in his place. He's like a completely terrible captain. Yeah, like a bizarre version of himself. Yeah, he's like singing and, buying everyone drinks in the bar. He shags Beverly. And when Captain Picard comes back, she's just kind of like a bit looking and a bit different.

She's not like, oh my God. I've been sexually assaulted by an alien closing his Captain Picard. It's changed my relationship completely. She's just like, gosh, that was an interesting night, wasn't it, Jean-Lucci? You've got that look on your face like my alter ego fucked you. Exactly. It was so weird. The way it was so weird.

Oh, man. All right. Yeah, that's weird. Next generation was, was quite perverted. Well, that was when Roddenbury was the main guy. It did persist after he left.

But Gene Problemberry, when he died, the show improved massively. I'm actually going to be doing, I suppose I may as well. Did you remember that episode where the Enterprise like blows up? But they're like stuck in a loop.

I think it's because of Kelsey Grammer comes out of a hole in space. Yeah. And it almost hits them. The number three, the number three, the number three, yeah, over and over. There's some real great episodes, yeah. Yeah, that was a good one.

I'll tell you guys, me and Ben are going to be starting a new podcast. We're recording the first episode tomorrow. What? And we're going to watch Star Trek Next Generation from the beginning, episode one all the way through and comment on, like, each episode will be one episode of Next Gen that we have watched and we'll talk about how much we hated. Sounds great.

I don't know about the name. I was thinking Star Trek, the Flaxed Beneration. But that doesn't really make any sense. So we'll have to come on a certain shit. I like that. It's stupid enough, yeah. Yeah. Sure, it's not really very Googlerable, but that's fine.

No. And my other podcast idea that I haven't, I'm thinking about it, but I don't know if we could actually do it, would be that we get, like, the whole idea of the podcast is that I have a guest on the show. And I have to get them to recommend the next guest on the show. And it has to be someone who they think other people will know, like a famous person or someone that is known for something. We gradually try and work up through the levels of fame.

Oh my God, you could get Deanna Troy on. You could do it like that Tom Hanks thing where like dead eyes, that podcast. Remember that where he got rejected for Bradda Brothers? Because Tom Hanks said he had dead eyes. And so he went on this whole crusade to speak to Tom Hanks to find out whether he did have dead eyes or not. That was freaking out. That was brilliant. That was a good podcast.

Yeah. But I thought that that would be quite funny. um to boldly go but ben isn't bold so it doesn't make sense oh that works so well it's a two-person thing that works so well yes but it doesn't make sense because ben's not bald to boldly go it works so good ben could if ben's coming he's gonna be bald to let's be honest look at him he's dad's hair is in fine fat he's got a lot of hair that he's a hair yeah it goes fast look at sips you know it's get rid of ben we can not get rid of ben it it's gone you know um um get boba she's

She's not bold. She's shaved her head. There's a difference. But no, but that's a choice, though. You choose to become bold. I see this on R-slash-Bald a lot. I don't know why I'm subscribed to the sub-reddit art-slash-baud. No reason.

There's an R-slash-Bold sub-reddit? But routinely, you get people, almost every day there's like a couple of posts of some guy who's got terrible long hair. I finally did it. Exactly. And he's like, I finally took the plunge. And everyone in the comments is like, you look so much better

great job yeah it's good I say you know what it's nice I did I have spoken to a lot of when I'm at Dota events and stuff

a lot of the talent to me instead what do you think should they shave my head and they see me as like the bold advisor the member of the bold council and my boy Shane is occasionally at present as well and we'll discuss the matter

with them and discuss whether they should shave their head and stuff. There's a bunch of baldies actually there, isn't it? There are now. There's a bunch, yeah. But that's, when I started, there were no other bodies. It must be the Dota brain. You know, the big, the hot brain. It's just age. They're all getting older now. It's just lads in their mid-thirties and stuff. I was trying to.

They'll come up to me and be like looking for advice about going, Bob, what do you think? Was my head a weird shape, that kind of thing? But my friend Lyrical, who's a brilliant castor, he's one of the top casters, it must have been, I must have been drunk at a party or something. and I went up to him and said, don't think you're fooling me. I can see what's going on here. You should shave that shit off. And then he did.

So I actually bullied him into shaving his head and he is now a boy. I had no memory of being that horrible to him. It was awful. I look, I think there's a, it's about Star Trek, right? At a certain point in your life, you move from being Will Riker to being Jean-Luc Picardt, right? And, you know, when you've, you know, when you're ready to make that transition to elder statesman, then that's the time to take the plunge. So, yeah.

Do you think being bold makes you look like an elder statesman? It kind of does, yeah. It gives you like a like an air sophistication. A gravitas. An authority. It's a sign of wisdom. It's like having a long white beard. Instead of having a long white beard now because that's comical. If you have a long white beard, you're like some tree worshipping, you know, hippie who you go lives in a caravan and, you know,

eats grass. Somebody is telling me that Riker apparently had like chronic back pain, the actor. That's why he does the win. He doesn't ever sit properly. Stands a lot. If he sits. He had some back issue.

Yeah. Which makes sense. But yeah, it's definitely a vibe. I think I think people, a lot of people have rocked the ball over the years. I think it's a safe bet for a good look. You know, I rarely see a bald person, I think, oh, that doesn't work. You know, it doesn't work with you.

But you see a lot of, you see a lot of people with their hair, like, disappearing back. What's an alternative, though, like, once you, once you've lost your hair, you can't just, I mean, I guess you can wear a wig or something, but like some people. Oh, shit, the elephant in the room, sips. You just get, you just get used to it, I suppose. You get used to seeing the person bald But then you yourself would be used to being This isn't an intervention for you

We're not talking around you We forgot that your hair looks great We like you as you are You don't need to go bald Thanks This is not You don't need to be posting on our threshold Do you look fantastic Sips

I was going to take the plunge But now that you've said that I guess I don't need to We weren't like I completely forgot That you are I am Um Next bit of lose news

I don't think there's any Oh, Sam only did them free. Sam only did them free. We were actually on questions, not lose news. We were taking questions from... Because it's from Essex, so I speak like he does a bit. That's all I got. Nothing else.

I've got no lose news. That was four things as well. That was good. Can I tell you guys quickly before we go? I watched the last episode of that Stranded on Honeymoon Island that was on BBC One. And apparently it didn't get very good views and it's not coming back. really stranded on honeymoon island

it was really it was really something else yeah have I won wigs no I would never wear a wig why would I wear a wig other than like for fun I think I had a wig

it's not coming back it's done no more stranded on honeymoon island and you know what like wigs are you know are always an option if you're if you've shaved your head you know you could just

you could do all sorts with them you could be it's not an option you can't wear a wig. What are you talking about? CJ's just put a big sign up saying wrap up time. We are painfully aware that this podcast is

not puttering, sputtering, and it's always like, we can handle about an hour and a half of each other a week. Do you want to do the ads live as well or no? There is probably one, but I'd probably have to do it. I'll do it separately. We could do it, and then you

just don't use it. It's a gamble. I'll do it myself. That's a point then. Only do it if we're going to use that. You guys, honestly, the answer is so much better when you guys do them. Um, any more chance of this week is Gaviscon. And Gaviscon. Wow. Size double action mint. Yeah. It's a 500 available in 500 mil bottle. Like a gallon of it. Like a fucking innocent smoothie. Oh my God. Also sponsored by Rennie,

which is available. Geez, you have a lot of heartburn. You ever had the And a modium? You ever had the orange Rennie's, um, no. Oh my God. They fizz up like crazy in mouth i don't know what they put in them but you're like the normal rennie's you chew them up and you swallow them the the orange ones like fizz up it's like uh like they like they expand like the foam expands in your mouth it's crazy shout out to the lovely um midnight queen who just wrote in chat before the stream mans i wanted to you all to know the old scar's been a major part of my life since primary school and i finished uni three years ago thanks for making my days better oh man like this is a nice messages in chat thank you for for watching this live um

Before we go, are there any other things you guys want to let us know? Any other business before we end this meeting? Any other business? No, very well. We'll circulate the minutes later on this week. I think all my home renovations are going to be done this weekend. You've been saying that for about two years. It's like, it's going to like official.

I think Sunday is like the last day. It's the last thing. And your house is finally done? Yeah. Wow. It's a lot of work, isn't it? I'm excited. I'm getting out.

get in a house soon and it's going to be absolutely fucked. I've got to think of something new to do because I'm going to miss all these guys. Are you? Around all the time. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I don't get an opportunity to have like manly chats with people. What's your best tip for like finding a good person to do work on your place?

Get recommended one. Get recommended one, right? Yeah. The work's already been done. The hard work's already been done by people out there who've had stuff done. Ask, uh, like, ask around. Ask around, ask around for recommendations or like if you see, somebody like a neighbor having some work done and there's like a sign outside just go

knock on the door and just say oh are they actually any good or whatever and get a recommendation that way all right and if they go like don't just go it like don't like phone book A1 builders yeah don't don't do that where they got like 50 good good Google reviews or something like that doesn't matter no matter no you can you can gotta be personal yeah get a personal review from somebody that all the best tradesmen I've I've I've had, have all come from people recommending them. Okay. Well, if you're

doing work in the Bristol area, you know, let me know. No, that's the opposite of what we're talking. There are a lot of people. If you've had work done in the Bristol area and you have any recommendations there, so there you go. I did it. That's what I'm saying. And if you do, if you're a fan, I don't want you

come into my house. There we go. I did have an Akado delivery by a fan. Did you? He knows exactly what I get every week. Where you live. Fifteen gallons of Gaviscon? You should see someone about that. Two large tubs a lube.

Lube of Gaviscon. Yeah, that's all you need, mate. It's all funny, too. Can I stop this audio now? Are we done? We are stopping. We are stopping. So thanks everyone for listening to this stupid life.

Yeah, cheers. I'm stopping. for all these years. All right. Bye. We'll see you guys next week. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. Bye, bye. Hi, I'm Dan Marr, host of the Conversions podcast, where I invite the talented, inventive, and uncompromising minds behind some of your favorite and soon-to-be-favorant indie games to talk about what they do best. On each episode, I invite two members of the indie community, many of whom will be meeting for the very first time to share their journeys, their formative experiences, their successes and failures, their advice for aspiring indie devs,

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