Triforce! - Star Trek Nerd Rage | Triforce #332

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

Triforce! Episode 332! Pyrion tunes into the podcast from Hamburg for the Dota Internationals, Sips goes through his "back-to-school" prep and Lewis gets very critical about a Star Trek board game he's never played. LewsNews gets replaced by random wikipedia surfing and a quiz about prisons! Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I went to a store called Thomas Punkt. Nice. It's a family-run show. shop. 45 yaren we have been here and it has been the family set it up and then their children and then the children of their children and all the clothes are made locally by local artists and fashion easters and you will pay a lot more for a t-shirt than you thought you were very common. Is it like you Bruno now basically? It looks, first of all it's a really lovely shop. It's in a big sort of four-story.

Looks like a house, but it's tall. So it clearly was like an old factory building of some kind. It's in the middle of sort of downtown Hamburg around surrounded by like the Nike store and everything. And there's this one icon of that very sort of 60s, 70s, post-war, very lefty liberal Deutschland, which was like, money is evil, and we should abandon property, you know, that kind of thing, which was their sort of rebound from the depths of. of fascism, they went straight to the other side, a lot of people in Berlin and stuff like that. And so this was clearly a collective born out of that. But now it's just run by a bunch of

hipsters. So I went in there and there was a lady, even older than me. And she was like, Yavi have been running this shop for so long. No, you will find fashion here. You will not find in your London's or your parishes or your New York. And I was like, okay. And it was just t-shirts. No, no, they had all kinds of stuff there. But the thing is, a lot of it was very Germanic, obviously. So quite boxy, no, like very boxy, wide sleeve, wide arm, very square shaped. Lots of gimpware? No gimpware. God, you've got a very dim view of Germans. They like to, they work hard, but they play harder, I'm told. Yeah. But Hamburg, I spent about an hour and a half this morning walking around it. And it's obviously, this city was severely mulled during

during World War II. So an awful lot of it was flattened. Just when I was coming here, my mum actually told me that her grandfather, who was in the Air Force in World War I, he came here because he ended up working with German companies post-World War I and then post-World War II. They made a lot of ball bearings in this part of Germany, which is why it got fucking bombed so much because ball-bearings apparently win wars. And he came here and when he got into Hamburg and looked, it was just still being rebuilt. He was just appalled at the devastating. station because it was like a lot of classic European cities. You go somewhere like Vienna or Munich that was spared the bombing, and then you come back to places like Hamburg and like Coventry

and like Dresden that were just fucking ruined by the war and lost all of that architecture and that beauty. So they've done a good job of rebuilding. It still has that sort of German style with the very tall buildings with the wide avenues, coffee shops and trees and things. But you'll see this very gorgeous old pre-war building next to a real bruclaced slab of concrete. So it has an interesting vibe. But chill people and good coffee. So I'm liking it so far. Has the tournament started yet? The tournament is indeed live. I don't work today or tomorrow. So I have an easy shift. Yeah. So I'm just chilling at the moment. Yeah, that's good. It's nice to get some time off, isn't it? Indeed. And keep an eye on the games. Rest and recuperate. Yeah. Exactly. I haven't

following the international. I meant to, and then I forgot to, and now I feel like it's too late to get into it. I can't be asked with this stuff. It's too much going on. There's a lot. There's always something going on. Some band playing or a movie or a game's coming out.

I'm too busy breeding horse racing girls recently. You're playing that? Umamasumi or whatever it's called. Umma, umamusumi. Um, um, Musumi. Yeah. So my friend, uh,

it's surprisingly addicted. actually. Yeah, I watched her play it and I love the, it's got all the little sort of anime touches. Like I was like, I'm clearly not going to play this because apparently it's very pay to win when you do PVP, but I would probably do such a small part of it, PV, the PVP. Right. It's like you. It's like you. The girls are running. They've got their tail and they're running like that. And then they'll sort of go and like wipe their brow and then it'll say like plus velocity and they're going. And I thought, this does look quite fun, I guess. But then it's called the storyline shit. And I was like, this is going to be. too weak. Oh, you can skip all that. I play on like mega fast speed. I don't even watch the races anymore. I just play it like football manager. Yeah. I just like I don't watch anything. I just like it's a spreadsheet. It's a spreadsheet basically. Yeah. It's you just like a legacy loop. You want to make like parents and grandparents that can like imbue stats into your races to like push them up. You breed the girls? You don't breed them. But it's like you know like you're Christ. It's it's it's it's it's it's it's like in the sense.

that like the you do like the you know the story the races and then you you kind of build up a character over a brief period of time and then however they finish they might win the whole thing they might not uh you retire them like like you would do like a normal horse or whatever and then they have a chance of rolling stats so you're you're trying to get like these blue uh spark stats rolled to the highest which is like three uh and then when when you get the that, then you, your, your next runs are a bit better because you can imbue those stats into your next racer. You see what I mean? Yeah. So there's like affinities and there's all these, it is, you can't you, you can't easily break it down into a spreadsheet and just enjoy that side of it,

if you like, as well. And not, not worry too much about all the other stuff. But I mean, it's like pretty repetitive, but it's nice looking game and like, you know, the sounds and everything are pretty cool and the music and everything. So it's like, it's fine, you know? Yeah, it's been, it's, it's a good one. It's neat. I mean, I mean, And watch the races at first, because they're entertaining. The commentary and stuff is very funny. I mean, they get so fucking carried away, though. I'm just going crazy in there.

My feeling about horse racing is that it was just, it's just one of those quirky things that's dying out because of the cruelty and the weird sort of upper class, but also farmer vibe of like the people who are in it. You know, it's a very unique group of people who are involved in horse racing. Yeah. Yeah, like toothy British people. Yes. You know, but also people...

Yes, I'm entering Lazy Sunday to win the championship. Yeah. I think he might be underestimating the popularity of horse racing, especially globally. I think it's more popular than you think. It's still very popular, yeah. And there's camel racing as well in other parts of the world. They do camel raising. Cockfighting, for example.

Cockfight. DMX used to do dog fights. Lots of dog fighting. And Michael Vick, famously. The kind of people who were willing to gamble on it, though, or also the kind of people who go to dog racing or go to the bookies, you know, and that is not necessarily the mainstream person. It's kind of a more working class individual.

Do you know what I'm saying about that? A more, dare I say it, a more working class. Well, it's weird that the horse racing bridges that gap. A proud industry. There's still a very British. After the glue factory. You see it, right? Like, there's still a very British television made for people.

You know, it's like all the soap operas are all very English. They're made for the working cluck. They're all very of a thing. I mean, I've... The fetted stench of the working... Oh, God. Listen, speaking of British television, I watched a show last night. It's like married at first sight and Survivor combined.

And it was, oh, God, it was pretty bad. Married at first Survivor? Survival at first sight. So they speed date, their match made at the end of this process of speed dating by professionals, quotation marks. And then their honeymoon is on a small boat that's taking them to an island. And then they have a bit of champagne. And then they jump into the ocean wearing like their wedding dresses and suits or whatever swim to this island and then they have to live together uh with like nothing like

like survivor style like they get like a couple of tins of beans and they got to like build fires they got no bug nets and they don't have any clothes or anything it's just whatever they turn up in so my suggestion to you is if you're going to go on that show and get married get married in like fucking navy seals gear um if you want to survive right they're on there for weeks apparently Or get married to that survival guy. It is mad. I'm going to wash my hands. You guys keep talking.

I've been outside. I want to wash my hands. It was hosted by Davina McCall. Of course it was. And it's like BBC One. It's unbelievable, actually. I felt like I'd gone back in time like 30 years. But I mean, it was.

Stranded on honeymoon island. Stranded on honeymoon island. Yeah. This is what I watched yesterday. I watched this last night. And I'll probably watch it again tonight as well. Oh, it's so, so, well, I mean, yeah, if you're looking for something to watch, Lewis, I think you'd really enjoy stranded on honeymoon island. I'm not going to watch it, but that's my big recommend.

That's my big up for this week. I've been watching all of this. That's your one big up. That's my one big up. This garbage guilty TV is, is fine. Do you know I mean? It's, it's, it's fine, isn't it? It's like a guilty pleasure.

It's like relaxing. You turn your brain off for half an hour. All the contestants look. like they've been stung by jellyfish before they even enter the ocean for the first time. They all have like the teeth and the fillers and everything.

It's mad. I don't know where they find all these people. They've been stung by jellyfish. I go out sometimes. I go out sometimes. I don't see these people when I'm out and about. You don't know where they find them. Fucking Essex. They're not in Jersey. They're in Essex. I suppose. Yeah.

What? The Huddlymouth Island is like the fucking Isle of... No, all the beasts. Stung lips for people. The people with the lips that look five times the size of a normal lip. I mean,

I guess like, you know, if you are self-conscious about your lips, because you haven't got any, you know, get some fake ones. They just want bigger,

bigger ones. Yeah, it's bizarre. It's bizarre. It's one of the worst ones for me in a sense. People always were like, oh,

don't get tattoos. I just think it'd be so painful, too, to have, like, injections into your lips. Like, ouch. But I feel like lips are the worst ones. If you get all the saggy, if you get their lips swollen up,

they're going to have to have them desagged later on. It's just such a bad idea, the lip stick. Didn't anyone learn from the trout pouts of the 90s? They still do it. They still do it. What was that one, the famous one? She was in Men Behaving Badly. Leslie Ash.

She had the iconic trout pout. She had the iconic trout pout at the time. I don't want to bring people's looks into it like all the time or whatever. But I mean, a big part of watching these shows, is that you do kind of, you know, comment on people's looks and stuff. Because I think a lot of the people on these shows really rate themselves as well. So, you know, like, I think they're like, yeah, look at me. So you want to comment on their looks or at least think about it kind of thing.

But have you guys heard of Paris Jackson? I'm so ignorant. I've just learned about this lady. No. So she's Michael Jackson's only child. Oh, yeah. Okay. I know who Paris Jackson is.

Wait, only daughter? She's the second child and only daughter of Michael Jackson. She was the one that he dangled out on the balcony. Exactly, the famous balcony dangle. Oh, my God. In London, yeah. So here's what I don't get. I'm not being funny.

Michael Jackson was a black man, 100%, especially in his youth. He looked, he had an Afro, he had dark skin. He was clearly a black man of African descent. Harris Jackson is the whitest woman I've ever seen. She is blonde. She has blue eyes and she looks nothing like she has any kind of mixed race heritage whatsoever. Well, wait, who's her mother, though?

Debbie Rowe, this nurse. Debbie Rowe's, that's right. Literally paid money to have a baby. Clearly, this is a surrogate child. I just find it fascinating that she's listed on Wikipedia as being Michael Jackson's biological child. I don't believe that. I'm sorry, but I don't believe it.

Happened to be proven wrong. If you know otherwise, email in for a future mailbag episode and let me know, but I'm pretty sure. She said she's multiracial, but considers herself black. That is so fascinating. She really doesn't look black at all. It looks like she's got no black heritage whatsoever. Right.

I'm going to look her up. Hang on a second. Paris Jackson. I'm going to have the final word on this. You do it. Because you're the authority. Paris Jackson, American model and actress. I don't know.

Just go to go to images. I don't even need to. She comes up. She's 27 years old. Wait, she was born in 98? Yeah. When did, when was the balcony day? She looks a little bit.

She looks a little bit like a young Madonna. No? It is frightening that a dangling baby, as I remember them, is now 27 years old. That is too much. I just think it's funny. I can't deal with that. Sips is like, wait, that was 1998? As if that happened like five years ago.

This was so, all of this stuff was so long ago, all this Michael Jackson stuff. She's 27 years old now. Yeah. I remember when she was just being dangled out of a balcony as a baby. I don't remember when you were being done. you would be a dangling of a balcony by you. Hey, look, it's the little dangler. Oh, look, he's all grown up.

Little Dangler's all big, big 27-year-old lady now. Oh, man. Well, I don't even know. Paris Michael, Catherine Jackson. Paris Michael. She's actually called Paris Michael. Her first name is Paris Michael. That's unfortunate.

That is why she has had quite the life of being. embroiled in the in that whole mess god poor poor woman yeah she is a multi-millionaire that one so let's hope so um yeah so you can kind of do what she wants i guess you know that's just how it is damn that's that's crazy so what what you guys done this week anything fun you've been up to anything you've gone to any fates or got rained on i got rained on yeah my kids are all back to my kids all went back to school this week so it's been uh it's been it's been a it's been interesting one. My youngest started school. Yesterday was her first day. Yesterday she's fine. She's fine. She realized, hang on a second. I have to come here again. I'm going to cry and

cry. But her teacher is like pretty good, though. Her teacher's like, why don't you come and help me do this? And we were like, okay, bye. She's left. But I mean, they got, they got to, they got to get used to it. It takes a couple of weeks. Sometimes, some, some, some take longer than others. Yeah, you're now, you're now, you're now doing this. Yeah. This is, you have, you have to do it. Yeah. I think she likes, she likes, she likes the morning, you with another adult and all these shitty kids you don't know. That's it. Yeah. She'll, she'll be fine. Once she, once she makes a couple of friends and stuff, I think she'll be fine. Oh yeah. It's just, it's, it's, it's early days. But I think she likes, uh, the morning before we take her, uh, because she feels like she's,

doing the same thing as their older sister and brother, you know, because they're getting ready to go to school. but they're like they're really mopey about it now because they're older you know they're like no fucking school why do I got to go to school you know like you get the all the philosophicals in the morning what is the point of this why do I have to go I got to go there all day why do I have to be there all day why can't it just be like one hour and saying you're like okay just fucking go to school come on like you know I feel like that's at least something they can all agree on though, even though they're all quite different ages. Yeah.

Was it like four, I get why it was made. Because the thing is, I don't think, I don't think young kids are designed to just be at home all day, like, past a certain age. There's nothing for them to do. And, you know, and then they're just like, oh, can I, can I paint a, a marble sculpture of a robin? No, go to fucking school.

You can't do that here. Like, we don't have these things that you've, you've devised all of a sudden. You know, you know what I mean? Like, they just get crazy after a while. Can I swim with a dolphin at home? Yeah. No. No.

No, fucking go to school. If they let you do it at school, you do it there. If they've got dolphins at school, you ride them, okay? But there's none here. We're not doing dolphins. Like, it kind of gets to that point. So it's good. I think it's good for them to go to school.

I think it's good. I mean, I don't think it's good for anyone to stay at home all day. But this is coming from a man who has spent 40 years playing video games all day. Yeah, at home. I know. But, like, you know, I think I find myself going crazy and, like, getting very sort of anxious if I'm sat at home or having, I find it, I still find it strange and difficult to have a day off, you know, it almost feels like cheating, you know, like, just from having a full-time job and then, you know, because those days off were so rare when you got that, you know, and now I still get that same, like, feeling when I'm at home that I should be doing something. I should be going somewhere. I should be working on something. I work on lots of stuff while I'm at home, like a factory or like a grocery store or like Oh, I see prison.

I make a prison sometimes, a meat factory. The game allows me to make a meat factory. Spaceships. Been making lots of spaceships. I'm pretty busy guy. I got lots of it. Prizzy. He's a pretty busy guy.

I'm pretty busy busy. Yeah. Prezy. Yeah. God bless it, though. I love staying at home. I'd hate to go. Like, I go out.

Enough, I think. I got a good balance. I'm forced out more than I would like to be through having a family and stuff. But, but, you know, like when I get back, I'm like, oh, good. I'm glad to be home. I'm glad. Like, even when I'm on vacation, I'm like, it's nice to be home. Nice to get home to all your familiar, your stuff and everything and your, your routines and everything. It's good to go away. But like, it's good be home. But I've never really struggled being at home. Some people are like, oh, I get bored at home or I don't want to be. I need to go out. I need to do stuff. I'm like, I'm like, I'm. I'm the opposite. I don't need to go anywhere. I don't need to be around people really that often, and I don't need to, I don't feel like I have to go anywhere. You know, if I, if I need to go to town to get something, I just go get that one thing. I don't, like, waste any time, like, browsing or whatever. I just want to get back, you know? Raise my horse girls. Get them girls. Breed my horsewomen. That's what I want. Got any plans today? I'm going to breed my horse girls. Race him. Look a new grandparent with three stats. My horse girls today.

I don't know. I guess right in and let us know. Do you like being at home? Do you like working at home? Would you prefer to go out to an office? I can't imagine much. Many people do. Loads of people you read about are like,

fuck, they're forcing us back into the office and stuff. I think I think 99% of people would prefer to be at home. every day all the time. It's far cheaper to be a home, that's for sure. Oh, God. You have your own lunch. But won't you think of the estate tax and the money that all these companies paid for these expensive shitty offices that all look the same?

Won't you think of them? I will. Yeah, I will think of them. Won't someone think of the rich people? Won't somebody think of them? Why doesn't someone think of the billionaire? Guys, we're starving here. They're in big trouble now.

They're down to their life. last few billions. Oh, man. You're making me feel bad now. I'm sorry. I'm going to grab some water. You guys crack on. This is great because I mean,

everything is in one room. Take a bite of my bagel here. What is you live in life? What is the plan for you on these two days when you're not working then? What are you going to be doing? Hang out with friends. Friends? See Hamburg.

You're going to see Hamburg with Friends. I mean, obviously, everyone I worked with in Dota, I've known them for over 10 years. A long time. Good friends of mine. They're like, I have multiple groups of friends that rarely meet,

not because I keep them separate, but because of the nature of... You don't want worlds to collide. I'm chewing. I'll be back in one side. It's funny, really, how he's like just kind of just like this, isn't it? Just kind of slinks around, you know, like he sounds like he's just having a lot of fun all the time. I think he is.

I think he's just clearly in a good place. Just like he likes having fun. He's like, he's a secret of fun. He's off on his own, he's on his own adventure. Yeah. He could do what he wants. Fuck. Eat a bagel just on the podcast.

Man. No repercussions, you know, we're not shutting it down. No. No. God. We'd be doing this far too many episodes to give a shit anymore. We're professional, so we can handle it. I do give a shit.

I do give a shit. No, no, no. Not you. We're us. I don't give a shit. Yeah, we're professional. At this point in our lives, it's funny to think we are actually professional podcasters.

I know a lot of people are like, oh, well, I could fucking start a podcast. Well, why don't you fucking start one then? Why don't you fucking start one and see if you can do better? I've got the Yogs friends, like all the friends I've made through the Yogs like you guys and everyone down in Bristol and everything like that. Are they all in Hamburg with you right now? No, because you are not in Hamburg, are you? And you're one of my friends. No, I'm not in Hamburg.

Okay, very well. No, too. Oh, not one of my friends either. So, okay, fair enough. Well, I said you're one of my friends and you said, no, I'm not. I didn't say that. I said, I'm not in Hamburg. Right, but I said, I'm in Hamburg right now and so are my friends.

Sorry. I think I might have. I did that thing where I think I, I guessed what you were going to say and responded to that instead of actually listening to what you say. Right. So none of the, none of the Yogs people are in Hamburg. Some of the, like obviously all my Dota friends for people that I've worked with for some of them longer than 10 years. Some of them nearly 15 years. And I've known them a long time. I love all of them. Then I've got like my old friends from Bournemouth and from school and stuff like that.

And then friends I've made up in London. And it's tricky because I love them all. But they're all kind of geographically disparate. Yes. So it's kind of hard to think of like how to get them together. So one of the things that me and Mrs. F do some, every 10 years, we sort of renew our wedding vows, which is, I think I've spoken about it before. It's a nice thing to do. That's nice.

Get everyone together and you sort of have another mini wedding. And you just say, yes, we still love each other and we're still married. Nice. And then it's just an excuse for a party and everything. So it was really nice. So I gather, oh, and my poker friends, the group of people that I played poker with for many years. When's your next group of friends?

When's your next renewal? Let me think. It was my anniversary on the 1st of September. Oh. That was our 24th wedding anniversary. Jeez. So six years time. Six years.

Well, 231. Put that in your calendar, Lewis. We're going to crash it. No, honestly, I would absolutely love you guys to come next time. In six years. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'll be there.

Where are you going to have it? In London. Oh, that's kind of far. Well, they do it. That's why I didn't bother. invite me last time I think in Jersey. Can't you come to my house?

Come to Jersey and do it. I feel like you just come to London on a whim though, sometimes sips. There'll be some minor celebrity like doing some book signing and you'll be like I'm just flying over for the afternoon. Ice cube was happened to be shopping in the area and I

thought I'd come over and I would do it if it was like maybe not Ice Cube but like you know I would get like for a show or something I would definitely go. But I think is it's quick and easy to do you can do that in like a night you know you don't need to be away for like too long uh so like sometimes yeah i can i can i can just about swing it the problem is is i mean we're we're connected if you like to london but like you got to land in he throw we used to have a flight to london city which is really nice it's much was much easier to uh to just land in london

city just get right onto the tube and zip around and stuff i like heathrow and gowardwick are both kind of a pain in the ass. So the thing is, Heathrow is near me. Like, it's a 20 minute cab ride. So if you did come, which I'm not expecting to, but if you did, you would just get the little little biplane or whatever you get from Jersey over to Heathrow. Yeah. It's like a 20, 25 minute cab ride. You're in Twickenham. That's where the party would be. And then you could fuck off the next day. So it's not a biplane from here to Heathrow. Okay. What is it? It's an actual airbus something, you know, like one of the smaller airbus planes, you know. Yeah, but you can't just refer to as an airbus because that implies it's huge,

but it's clearly not. It is. It's, here, hang on. It's the, it's not the A380. I'm looking up flight radar right now. Okay, yeah. I'm going to go have a look at Jersey Airport and see what's taking off. Okay.

Take a look. You're looking for a British Airways flight from Jersey to Heathrow, which would have left probably this morning. There's probably another one like pretty soon. And then I think there's another one tonight. It's like an Airbus Yeah, it's like 150 seater or something

It's like it's a big, it's a big plane That is that is a that is a sizable plane Airbus A319 Yeah, that's actually You want to see the size of the runway here It's small. I'm looking at it When you touch down

It's like they're fucking slamming the brakes on And you're you're in the cockpit Like up against the windshield Pretty much Indeed. See, but I'm looking here One of the other planes That is flying over Jersey

an altitude of 2,000 feet is a Reams-Sessna F-172M Skyhawk. Okay, well, that's a private plane. At most of four-seater. Yeah, that's a private. Flying over St. Catharines as we speak. That's a private plane. If you see any Blue Islands planes, those are like turboprop planes as well. Those are probably what you would think of, you know, being the type of plane for this place.

But, no, there's some big commercial jets land in here, too. So it's an hour flight, an hour 10 flight from Jersey to Heathrow. Hour 10. It's not. It's not at all, actually. That's what it says on here. I know,

but it never is. It's always about 45, 50 minutes. I see. You have to be there early. This is your, Bonjour, this is your captain from Jersey. You're going to be taken off in a moment.

So make sure your tea bills are done up and your drinks ways. Don't away. Any electrical items that we put the, it's so good with the shit, Mike. Yeah, really, that's right. Flight time today is scheduled to be up. It's crackling and cutting out, just like on the plane. Once we land, you can get off the plane and go about your business.

We might be able to make up some time today in the air because we are late to take off. We messed up windows, thanks to the fancy. How does that even work? You're like, yeah, I realize we've been sitting on the taxi stand for seven hours, but don't worry. We'll make the time up in the plane. And then you get on a seven hour flight and it takes two hours. So, like, why don't you do this every time? Like, so obviously, it's not actually seven-hour flight to two hours.

No, I'm exaggerating, but of course, as I understand it, because I'm being tedious, I have actually read up about why this might be, because it is a common question that I have also had. One of the things is the route you take is often defined by corridors where you're expected to be part of the same traffic with everyone else, and your window is like your slot in that alleyway of planes. Right. So you're so that you're lining, you know, living where you're,

do, I can look and see the line of planes waiting to land at Heathrow coming through this sort of, this sort of corridor, if you like, of, for landing and taking off. So they're coming there to land. And it's like plane gap. Plain gap. So if you miss your bit, they can make it up for you by bringing you in at a different angle sort of thing. So you don't have to go take the bigger route with all these other planes. You can come in and they'll sort of like, oh, after you or something like that. It'd be interesting to know how, because we base the time it's, the time it takes to get places and the distances based on that, on this system. But it'd be interesting to see how long it would take to get from point A to point B with no

other air traffic. If it was just, if it was just like your flight, it didn't need to fit into any slots or whatever, I wonder if it would be like a lot quicker. I think it would be. The thing is they, a lot of it actually is to do with, I think it's to do with the wind or something because sometimes when they fly on the long. longest route, which is New York, Singapore, I think, or something like that, they sometimes go left around the world and sometimes go right, whatever, clockwise.

Do you ever go to wrong way? We've gone left, alpha. Don't you mean above the world and below the flat earth? There's no left or right that you can go. I've confused myself with this explanation, but I think I, I think you got the idea, right? Sometimes they do, because it's cheaper. All they care about is the fuel cost. right for these flights they actually don't really care about how long it takes

but obviously how long it takes is usually takes longer it's more fuel um but obviously fuel is such a huge part of these flights costs that any reduction they can make is going to be yeah they're like they're they're they're they're like fine tuning it down to the drop on the on these things like there's there's yeah if there's a little bit more money to me bait if they can make an extra nickel on the flight they'll do it you know i think they have to have some reserve of emergency fuels and stuff, though, don't they? Like a little bit. There's like a ratio. They don't use the turbo. They don't use the turbo

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Oh, yeah. Is that what it's actually called? Literally something like that. Star Trek board game. It sounds like a knockoff Star Trek board game. It was not, exactly, Star Trek board game. But it's like a fleet battle thing, but you have like one or two ships or whatever.

And instead of just playing out as, right, I fire my phages and I roll against your shield, and then your shield takes one damage. It's more like, it plays out like an episode of Star Trek. So I was the Federation and he was the baddies. I can't remember the, what are they fucking called? For my turn, I'm removing Deanna Troy's clothing while she's in the holodeck. The Dominion. Your go.

The Dominion, that's right. The Dominion. So you actually have the officers. So I had Captain Bagat. I had Worf. And I had, Chief O'Brien were my three offices that I had. And in the expansions, you can get like Deanna Troy and Riker and all the rest of them. For my turn, I'm replacing Deanna Troy's hairband with Jordy LaForge's visor.

You go. So you actually do stuff with the officers. They actually have an effect. Like, Picard is great at diplomacy. Oh, nice. So you can, like, you can hail, like, you actually hail the other ships. And there's like a mechanic for winning the hail. and sort of talking them into what you want them to do and stuff.

And it was really, really good. But it actually plays out just like an episode. It's very clever game. I enjoyed it. Nice. Yeah. I play that. Star Trek board game.

Yeah. Star Trek board game. Thanks to our sponsor for this week, Star Trek board game. I'm going to give my week shout out to Star Trek board game. Nice. Is it a little, has it got little ships in it and stuff? It's not just a board game. It's like a, it's like a day in the life of somebody who lives on.

on the on the on the on the us s enterprise one seven oh one dash d sadly not it's next generation i take it i think it's cool it's star trek into the unknown and you played the federation versus dominion set which i think is the only one this is the one i played yes so they're bringing out expansions but i played this so they have to be quite careful because they can't put there's only so much recognizable stuff in star trek right like you obviously recognize that the enterprise right and And you recognize the Klingon bird of prey. Right. And the Romulan.

And the Romulan. The king on bird of play is the cloaking one, right? The bird of prey. That was Kahn's, that was Kahn. The Romulans also cloak. But no, no, Khan, Kahn didn't have a cloaking vessel in the original. This is the Ricardo Montelban Khan. The wrath of Kahn, he stole a, he stole a reliant class.

No, he stole a reliant class enterprise vessel, which was a science vessel that Chekhov had been seconded onto. He stole that. Look, what a fucking bitch. Any earth-based ship in Star Trek has a similar layer where it's either sort of a fairly boring looking white sort of shaped thing or it's got a disc with nacelles above, below. There's one, some of this two, maybe there's three, some of those four.

There's nothing boring about the Federation vessels. They're iconic. They look of a certain, they're iconic. But all the other stuff inside. Apart for a ball cube, which is too big for this game. No, it's not. You could absolutely, the miniatures are fucking huge in this game. And I guarantee you the board would turn out.

And that's why the board cube is way too big. It doesn't matter. Yes, but you'll just make a cube. And it, like, it doesn't matter in terms of the bigness of the miniature. It really doesn't. Because it's just, it's not really the biggest factor in the game. Like, it's not, it's not like, like you are measuring distances and inches and angles. But you've seen how large that Gemadar Cruiser is in it.

It's massive. Yeah, it's fucking huge. But it's all, but it does. The scale doesn't make sense. Like, you just have a big cube. That's it. It doesn't matter if it's to scale. Because equally, if you look at the board, it's like you have a star.

Okay, I'm just saying, as someone who has watched all of Star Trek, the next generation, DS9, all of Star Trek, all the new stuff, everything, when Ben showed me that Dominion ship at the box set, and he was like, what is this? And I was like, I have no idea. And he was like, it's from Star Trek. I was like, I have no idea what it is even though you've told me it's from Star Trek. He was like, I'll give you some clues. And I couldn't guess what it was. It's difficult. They want to release the expansions for shit you actually want.

If they give you the Klingons and the Romulans and the Federation and the Starter Pack, no one's going to buy the Dominion expansion because who gives a shit? People are going to pay for the Klingons. They're going to pay for the Romulans. They're going to pay for the pork. Well, just about. I mean, but the thing is like it's, you know, already in the starter set, there's like three different kinds of enterprise.

Which one? No. There's only one enterprise cost. The 1701-1-d and the 1701-D and what else? The Voyager one? They've got USS Constellation. A little stuby one. Constellation, yeah.

Consolation. There's like the Reliant class. There's all kinds of different classes. But they're basically, the constellation is the Enterprise, but with four in a cell instead of two. What kind of shuttle craft do they have assigned to them? They all have the same little shuttle craft. Yeah. That's fucking bullshit.

You send away parties, you beam down. Can't you paint? You can't like customize it slightly even? slightly even? I don't know, maybe. I mean, the shuttles aren't little miniatures on the board. You just have a, you have a thing that says team and you go to here or they're there. Like, that's it.

You don't have a little shot. They haven't fleshed out that part of the game. Maybe that'll be a deal. It's a good game. I'm just worried that sometimes these games, you know, it's a little bit like, I always think it's a little bit like these fucking things that you start to, you fucking hate to, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. I mean, you know when you used to buy, you know, you used to buy, you know,

those magazines and it was like build a train, a steam train in 50 issues. So you'd buy episode two and you buy episode three and you buy episode four. But then obviously they'd stop it. They discontinue it because it's not being sold anymore. And so you're left with like a half finished train. Yeah. Right. That, I'm worried that this stuff is happening with these types of games. Like they kickstart a starter set, but they have to hold back any good stuff because they know that they want to keep selling it in the future, right? But they never get to the cell. in the future because the starter set isn't good enough because it's got stuff that people don't recognize.

They're shooting themselves in the foot by having a shitty starter set with stuff that you don't know, you've never heard of in order to try and sell a thing in the future an expansion for this game if it gets popular. Yeah, it's a risk. But it might not. What's the alternative though? Just don't try.

Why bother? Just start with the best stuff is what I'm saying. I think it. And then you can worry about if it's successful, great. Do you what I'm saying? Like so many people are mad with their strategy.

Just lead with the good stuff. Put the good stuff out there. You don't have to plan for a future sequel. It's the same thing with all television shows and all movies and all these franchises that everyone's planning for a fucking franchise or a fucking season two. Just make a good season one. Don't have to plan the first season two of everything. It's an attractive prospect for investors if they can see that they have other plans.

It's not just like a one... Fuck all these people. Well, nothing would fucking happen without them. I don't know if you've noticed, but we do live in a society where capitalism is in full effect. So it makes sense that it is this way. What's interesting to me is that sequels used to be seen as what they are, which is a cash grab. And people didn't have... I was talking about this the other day on stream, actually, that people think of sequels now as like,

oh, this is their new blah blah franchise. and I hope there's a sequel to so-and-so, and people like sequels. People are willing to go watch sequels. Like, most movies are sequels, and as much as you say you're sick of them, billions and billions and billions of dollars have been made in the box office. The reason for that, and we've talked about this again, is comfort. It's going to be cheaper to make a sequel, though, right? People know what they're getting.

They say, I like that before, I will like it again. It's safe. It's easy. It's accessible. But that's what a sequel is, right? Were people just gamblers in the 80s? They just didn't care? Yes.

A lot of the movies are. Think about Rocky had sequels and people made fun of it. The Star Trek movies had sequels. Like on The Simpsons, they're like Star Trek, you know, episode 13. So very tired is the name of the movie. Well, that's because it's done. Look at how they used to sell toys in the 80s. They design all of the toys.

They would make loads of them. They made He-Man before anybody even knew what He-Man was. They flooded toy shelves with this toy. nobody had a fucking clue what it was people would go to the toy store and be like what the fuck is this and then the TV show sold them but the TV show is always an

afterthought in the 80s so yeah it was just the gamble movies of the 80s so oh gosh some of these are clearly not sequel worthy um the killing fields that was apparently a very big movie okay 1980s in film highest grossing so ET they never made a sequel for that no

Star Wars was the first of these big it made three movies and they all fucking made a bunch of money. And the Indiana Jones, they made those as well. I don't think movies are a big problem. Movies tend to be standalone, apart from things like top gun. Certainly back then, huge movies, certainly back then they took a lot more risks than they do now.

I think there's a lot of movies that don't have sequels these days, and I don't think it's too concerning. These are the big budget movies. Beverly Hills Cop, they didn't plan it as part of a franchise. It was a surprise hit, and then they turned it into movies. Back to the Future, same deal. They made this movie. They didn't think they were to make a part two.

Beverly Hills Cop 2 was clearly a cash. And so we're coming back to the future too. I mean, all of these things were... Rambo, which was quite an intense movie about a guy coming home from Vietnam, suddenly became part of a franchise, right? Ghostbuses, they made ghost buses. I don't think they were like,

we're definitely going to make a second one. They didn't think they were going to make the first one. They thought the first one was going to flop. The first one was a miracle that was even released, let alone popular. Lethal weapon. I bet they didn't think we're going to make five of these and a TV show.

Home alone was the same. It feels mad. Home alone should never have seen the light of day. Forrest Gump barely saw the light of day, but was successful. Like, loads of movies from the 80s and the 90s were, it was a complete fluke. They didn't set out to make Die Hard into a franchise. I didn't set out to make Beverly Hills Copman franchise. I think the difference is that it started to become normal to have sequels, but you also

understood the sequel was going to be shit. Yeah. You thought it's going to be shitter. The industry has evolved since those days now. Yeah, now they're like, this is now part of a multiverse franchise. Of course, it has to be, because this is what they think everybody wants. And maybe it is what everybody wants. I don't know.

At the same time, you have seen, we do see some excellent sequels in Terminator 2 and Ghostbusters 2 and some other things. There were some excellent sequels and reimaginings that have been done very well. So I think there is this illusion that, like, you know, it's like this but bigger and better. You like this, you can get more of this. And there's nothing wrong with that, right? It's when, the problem is when it's when things are designed for a sequel, right? When people are actively hunting a sequel and compromise a product like this game or, you know, like a lot of TV shows that are so, they leave it hanging.

And I have a bit of a problem with that. Like, what was that show I really enjoyed on Netflix with Jeff Goldblum and they were all like the Greek gods and stuff? And it's season two got canceled or whatever. I don't know. you know um what was that called it was it was great um and you know it's it's it's i it leaves such a sour taste in your mouth when you know stuff gets cancelled yeah there's going to be no more of it i mean you know firefly let's talk about firefly it was a great show but i almost feel like the writers of the show people are almost like holding the producers hostage by saying well we're gonna

we're gonna we're gonna make a deliberately bad end to this to force you to do a season two do you You know what I mean? And so there's this kind of... I think the way that they write stuff is they always leave it open in case it gets renewed or whatever. What do you say? When do you think this began? I reckon Lost played a big part in the minds of these guys because Lost never felt like it

was ever going to wrap up. Twin Peaks was the first big serial like multi-episode drama format. I think Twin Peaks was the first one. I think that's true. I think you're absolutely right about Lost. and lost being, the writers had no idea. They didn't know when the next season was going. Yeah.

But so if you do that, you can just keep making it indefinitely until the studio goes, you know what, we probably run its course, just wrap it up. Or they all get such big off as they're like, we want to end it. They're like, okay, cool, just finish it off. If you just leave it open-ended and there's no clear story, like the problem with Game of Thrones, of course, is that you know it has to come to an end because you know the series are named off. I think everybody got sick of writing on it as well, though.

Well, he hasn't even finished the fucking... Well, here's the thing. He's in the same position as the people who wrote Lost. He set all of this stuff up without a plan for it having a clean bow to tie together. And part of that is George O'R. Martin's idea that history is not necessarily tied up with a neat bow. And sometimes you get the bad guys winning. Now, when that comes to a big Hollywood production, you can't have that be the end. You could.

People would love that. What, the Game of Thrones ended. If Circee Lanister had fucking won, and that was the end, that would have been fucking fucking hype instead of brand the broken, just let's make him king. Where's he been for five seasons, by the way? In a forest, lying on his back like a lazy cunt. That's what the fucking End of Game of Thrones was. Maybe you're right.

Maybe they should have ended with like the fascists, beginning and killing all the kids and, you know, just everyone gets fucking brutally murdered. Like, you know, maybe that is the way to do it. And it's like, there you go. There you go, audience. How do you like that? All your favorite people are dead and it ends really miserably and depressingly. But that's how the show was to that point.

Well, you're right. Like, it was supposed to be, but I don't know. It's like a meat grinder, wasn't it? It's not the formula. Everyone died, like, all the time. So I think that George O'Martin didn't have a plan for what had happened. And when they confronted him about it, he was like, well, you know, I've got a loose idea of what's meant to happen.

So this all ties up nicely. Because at the end of the day, Game of Thrones wasn't about just the bad guys winning. It was about the bad guys getting their comeuppance, right? It was about Joffrey getting punished for what he'd done and the cathartic relief of that finally happening after him being terrible for so long, you know, such a great bad guy,

but you want to see them fall. You can't just have the great bad guy and they get away with it and win at the end, you know, just do all these crimes. You can't have this message where, you know, the Nazi rapist wins at the end. No, just do it.

Yeah. And be like, man, we fucked up. That would be a hype. And then they do the after year. where, like, he has to, like, poop in a suitcase in case people find out about his health and stuff like that. They could do a whole, like, follow on the season. You know, I heard about this? Oh, what, well, yeah, you're right.

They have conversations about organ transplants to extend their lives so that they can just keep going and stuff, you know? Do remember that. How do you get a random Wikipedia page to pop up? I don't know. There used to be a random button, didn't there? Yeah. Did they get rid of that? No, it's still there, random article.

Oh, right. What have you got? What's popped up? Shoran, an acronym for short-range navigation, a type of electronic navigation and bombing system using precision radar beacon developed during World War II. Okay, that looked very German. Very interesting.

Carl Schapper, a German sociologist. Alt X. Alt X. Okay. Sounds like a 90s, Ben. Bush X. Remember Bush X? Adeca Gagua is a Hordino Sornay Sunday a team.

Was Bush X anything to do with Bush? Like, what's, I don't know. What's Bush X? A band from the 90s, I'm sure. Or unless I'm remembering. Bush. Bush. There was a band called Bush, I think.

There was a band called Bush. And a Bush X band as well. Oh, why did they drop the X? Oh, okay. So it started Gavin Rossdale. They were called Bush. They were called Bush X and then they just became Bush. Gavin Rossdale was famously married to Gwen Stefani

and then had an affair with his with the name. any, if you remember. So, due to an intellectual property dispute with another British rock band under the same name, Bush was forced to release their albums in Canada under the name Bush X. Oh, that's why you know the most of Canada. Interesting. That's the, oh, because I've never heard of them. What do you think Sertodactylus cryptos is?

A dinosaur. Nope. A type of walk. No, no, close to dinosaur. Close, but it's not a dinosaur. A lizard. It is a gecko fan of Vietnam. and lous.

Oh, this is like a little Wikipedia quiz. It is. Hit me. Oh, give us more with another one. Sassafras, Kentucky. There's an unincorporated community in Nott County, Kentucky.

United States of America. Sassafras. Kentucky Route 15, 9 miles south, southwest of Hendman. It's a post office with a zip code of 4-1-7-5-Bad. Is that what they make Sassaparilla out of? Sassafras. No, Sassafras. It's a good signing insult.

It's great, isn't it? No, sassafras, I don't believe a word of that. It does sound like you were an old, sort of American. Prospector. Yeah, with no teeth, you know. There's gold in them sassafras. Oh, sassafras, there ain't no gold in them hills. I think Will Ferrell did a character like that on S&L, where he was old-timey prospector.

I love that. I was for some reason sent to go along with the special forces unit. And they're like describing how they need to approach very quietly. And he stands up and all his pots and powers. a raffling. That's how really, look that up there's a really funny sketch. But when someone says that

he disagrees with, he goes, oh, peaches. That's one of my favorite. That sounds great. Yeah, I think he'd learn that. All right, here's another random Portoberfest, a fundraising event, organized by the Humane Society of the Pikes Peak region. It's a 5K run walk followed by an outdoor festival

in Colorado Springs, Colorado, in Bear Creek, regional park. Wow. So if you're in the area around that time, make sure to pop on down and enjoy Bratwurst and maybe pretzel and have a run. Wait, in Colorado Springs? Well, I think there's like a big, there's parts of America that have like these big German communities that celebrate October fest and stuff, isn't there? I'm sure. I mean, I guess. I didn't know that I didn't know Colorado was one of them. I don't think it is. I think there's all these little community weird events that spring up and become traditions and then, you know, some local person runs them or coordinates them or they can't stop.

You know what? Nicola Tesla ran a, in Colorado Springs, he had an experimental station called the Tesla Experimental Station operated on Knob Hill, LaMalle. Right, let's do lose news. It's definitely time to lose news. I got, and I got nothing today. He's got no news. The Lose News reservoir is empty of news.

Well, I didn't necessarily think we were recording, so I didn't ask Sam to prepare anything. I see. Well, I'll just keep doing random wiki. Here is an album called Not Enough Hours in the Night, which is a song written by Aaron Barker, Kim Williams, and Ron Harbin, recorded by American country music artist Doug Supernall. Doug Supernall, with his hit, not enough hours in the night. Take it away, Doug. Thank you, I will. in the night boom, boom, boom, I don't think

they write country music like that anymore flax. I don't know. I think those days are, I gotta get up to pee four times a night.

There's a rain off hours in the night. I think it's like, it's gone all sassy now country music, you know, it's like, Mrs.

F listens to modern country. Does she? Is it all? I imagine it's all like, like women's country music is all like Shania Twain like Dan. Why did I wear makeup for this?

And then male country music is like, oh, shit. My farming equipment costs too much and I'm not popular with the ladies. That's what I imagine. It's mainly about heartbreak. And it's mainly like, I should never have gone down to that bar tonight in my big old truck with my shit. See, again, this sounds like old country music, though. This sounds like the new stuff I think is like sassier and stuff. You know, like...

Just, I'm telling you, listen to it. Because sometimes when Mrs. F is working, I will hear her listening to it. Honestly, you are 100% right. It is about trucks and half-phrase. The truck is the number one. If you did a word cloud for modern country, it would say truck about the biggest. Okay. Does, yeah.

And they don't rhyme it with fuck. Modern country music still talk about trucks. Down on my luck. Guess what broke, comma, my truck. again, just like my heart breaks for you. Okay, here, listen to this. I got an interesting little quote here for you. It's from an AI overview on Google, okay? Because I typed in, does modern country music still talk about trucks a lot, okay?

And this is the response. Modern country music still mentions trucks, but the frequency has declined from the peak of the bro country era with some analysis showing significantly fewer trucks. truck references in recent years. While trucks were a staple theme of the mid-2010s, other lyrical themes like love and heartache are also prevalent, and the genre itself is becoming more diverse, moving beyond the stereotype of just beer trucks and girls. Damn, well, maybe she's listening to post, like, pre-modern, slightly more bro country.

I always tell her, because she wants a real man to talk to her, not someone talking about football manager and Dota, some guy talking about his truck and his giant penis. Bingo, that's what she wants. Aren't those just... Maybe the shock is the penis. Those are just kind of very similar to Dota and miniatures or whatever. The other thing you mentioned was. Well, I just had an amazing coincidence.

I landed on a random wiki page about Juergen Dick, a former Swiss curler, and I kept going. And then I hit William Pole, which is also a kind of a penis sounding name. Wow. Maybe it's on purpose. What's next? Wasn't there a curling movie in the same sort of spirit of kingpin about curling? It called like, oh, no, you know what I'm getting confused with, actually? I'm guessing this was a Canadian movie.

There was a film called curling. I'm sure that there's one, I'm sure that there's one like where the curlers go to like a bar and everybody's like loves the curlers and stuff. But actually, the one I was getting confused with was that the figure skating one that had the guy from Napoleon Dynamics. in it. Blades of Fury or something. Blades of Glory. Blades of Glory. Yeah.

So there is a film called Curling. It is, of course, a Canadian drama film directed by Dennis Cotte and released in 2010. The film stars Emmanuel Bilaudou, Philomen Biloudou, Jean-François, and Jongi Topoverware. I knew it was coming. Wow, he's in everything. It does sound like a Wilferal vehicle, which is. Do you, okay, both of you guys give me a topic and I'll get some quiz questions. I'll Google them up.

Really? Yeah, go on. Let's do a little quiz to end the podcast. Favorite foods in a nursing home? Foods in a nursing home, yeah. And what else, P-Flex? Favorite prison dinners? I'll give you a topic.

Yeah, I'm just going to Google prison trivia questions. I just do that. Fun things to do on a train. No, prison trivia. Okay. Prison trivia sounds great. Prison trivia. Okay, well, oh, this one, okay. Isn't it going to be a tough thing to find?

All right, sure. So which, which, these are too easy. In which U.S. state is Sing Sing, located? The Sing Sing is in New York. Oh, is it? Oh, I thought that was a nickname for Alcatraz. It is New York.

Oh, it's an island. You know, they still have prisoners in Singon. Yeah, of course, it is an active. This is an active federal prison, yeah. What is the name for a prisoner who is serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole? A lifer? Yeah, this is like a crossword positive note, isn't it? This is like New York Times Monday when it's easy.

Okay. What? What is a shank? I think you can. Which US TV series starting in 2005 followed two brothers. Prison break. Prison break. I haven't even seen it.

I haven't even watched it. You know what? The problem is they escaped in like the first season. In fact, I think episode one they break away. So it's really just on the run, not prison break. If it had been a show where they spent season after season attempting to escape from a prison and gradually building towards some epic mission and possible style escape, I would have watched it. That was cell blockage.

Like a whole episode where they're just trying to smuggle a screwdriver. What about Oz? Oz was set in a prison as well. And one of the seasons of lost. Was set in a prison, not lost, the Walking Dead is what I meant to say, was set in a prison. The Shawshank Redemption, very famous prison movie, Escape from Alcatraz. I'd like to say that Andy fought a good fight and won. Which U.S. prison is known for its license plate factory where inmates famously make vehicle plates,

but also was brought to fame by Johnny Cash. Oh, Folsom. Oh, Folsom. No, it says, and Quentin, I hate every inch of you. It's false of Brouss in California. Which prison stormed in 1789, symbolized the start of a major historical revolution. The Bastille? The Bastille, correct.

This is great. I'm enjoying this. Prison stuff. Prison drive. Which notorious Soviet era forced labor camp inspired the term, the gulag. I don't know the name of it. It's a very difficult answer.

Glavna. Oh, yeah, I was going to say, Glavna, Glaveno, Glaheria. LaGarean. Glavno, Lagarian. That's a hard one. That's a hard one. What does the abbreviation, the shoe

stand for? The shoe is solitary confinement. Solitary housing, only eggs. You go in there. You only get eggs. I think it's the special housing unit. It's S-H-U, actually, isn't it? It's like, yeah, special housing unit.

So it should be the shut. The shoe. They'll send him to the shut. That's where all the dirty protesters go. Which famous- You like slinging dokees, do you? Welcome to the shoe. Which famous, which previous prison was escaped from in 1962 by brothers Frank

and Clarence. Angin and another inmate Alcatraz. We never found. Alcatraz. I think that was the only escape from Alcatraz. But did they escape?

I mean, they technically got out, but did they make it out? Oh, I see. Dereckin there was a conspiracy and they were like, no, no, no, no. It's just that they, they, like the famous movie,

the Clint Eastwood movie, one of his best movies actually escaped from Alcatels. I love it. It was just him. They get out. They did get out. Three of them got out

and they had rafts that they made from raincoats. That's right. That they sort of covered with the cement. And they put paper machet versions of themselves in the beds. Of their faces in there, which is referenced in prison architect when someone digs a tunnel and escapes as a little mask. Yeah, they were digging the tunnels behind the posters in their rooms. Remember they had the pinups? So they got out. No, no, they used the grate, the vent. That's right. And they made fake vents that

slotted in there that were just painted to look like real vents. But yeah, so that they did get out. But the problem is that the San Francisco Bay is incredibly hard to swim. It's incredible. incredibly cold. It has very strong currents, and it's a long way to that. It's like a mile. So when we went to San Francisco a few years ago, we took the boat over to the rock. Did you see Sean Connery while you were in? Sean Connery. You're not taking me back to the rock. Their gift shop is very overpriced. Do you know what the name, where is? is the Devil's Island

penal colony. French Guyana. Yeah, very good. Oh, wow. Can you name the book or the memoir from that is from? Papillon. Which means butterfly.

It does. And how did they escape? Do you remember? Dustin Hoffman dug a hole behind a poster of a pinup. A bo-de-a-hundred percent. No, I believe that they didn't they bribe local crocodile hunters? to help them escape via boat?

Something like that. I think they stitched together bags of coconuts. And then they jumped off a cliff or something with the bags of coconuts to survive the fall and something. The memoir du Pepillon, a lot of it is bullshit. And they're like, this Henri de Gaard, this forger didn't exist and his storyline doesn't match up with everything. Like, I think he's just a bit of a rogue. But it's a wonderful story. Really wonderful story.

I love that. I love the movie. I love the book. So, big fan. Nice. Which Russian prison is F-KU-I-K-6 is the one of the worst, to hold some of the worst, the most dangerous criminals in Russia. It's like one of the oldest prisons in Russia.

Do you know what's called? No. It's famously like, Kronky Spodny. It's called Black Dolphin Prison. Oh. You heard of that? No. I feel like it's one of these places that would be.

referenced famously in like, you know, Marvel movies or something, you know, like escape from Black Dolph in prison. Don't look so bad. I'm sure it's lovely. Which notorious South American prison was so violent and ungovernable that inmates ran it themselves until 2002 when I think it was closed. God knows. It was called a Karandiru penitone. Oh, my God. Wow.

Yeah, it was quite a mess. And I think there were a few countries in the world, a few continents in the world where I'm like, oh, I really wouldn't want to go to prison there. No. South America is one of them. It's high on my list. Yeah. I wouldn't want to go to prison in Thailand either, yeah. Or China for that matter. I just. Yeah. Well, or anywhere, to be honest. I mean, if I ended up in prison in Scandinavia, it doesn't look as bad. No, yeah, Norwegian and Norwegian prisons actually seem kind of good. They, you know, they have like, they have that nice fitted furniture. And stuff. You get like a log cabin with a like a Nintendo D.S. You have like puppy cuddling time and stuff. It's like, it looks fine. Yeah, it sounds great.

Today you spent 12 hours thinking about how you could do something better. You could maybe not rob people and steal from people that. So this is a 12 hour reflection period and then 12 hours of resting. 12 hours of cuddling puppies and then 12 hours. Then tomorrow is a cuddling puppies workshop, which you'll have to go to. And then another 12 hours of learning to bake filopation. it does sound sounds great yeah yeah yeah it's like i'm like in a self-imposed scandinavian prison right now pretty much the prisoner is to be confined to his garage

which will play video games and record a podcast you got to weave in a bit of puppy cuddling as well please i beg you i'm going to see those puppies this weekend i'm going to see those puppies again this weekend. Those, those little puppies, little Jack Russell puppies. So let me get this straight. You had, you had two kids. Yeah. Then you decided to have a third kid. And now you're deciding to further complicated your life with puppies. No, no, we don't own them. We're just like, we're, we're, we're just, our friends own them. And are just, are trying to rope us in to like walk in and stuff. I thought you were on the fence, which we're kind of like going along with because it's fun. Yeah, yeah. Walking them is fun. And the kids will love

If you get a dog yourself, it's a lot of work. Oh, yeah, I know. But like we took the kids to see them before we went away and they loved it. They were like, because they live out like further out. So there's like lots of like country walks and fields and stuff. So they were walking them nice and safe, you know, didn't have to worry about cars and stuff. It was good. So I mean, I like puppies in that context where like I guess it's a lot like being like a grandparent.

You know, you get you get all the fun of kids, but then you don't have. to like put them to bed and uh and do the night time and morning routines exactly you know that's fine um all right well there you go i think that's that's enough yeah that's enough podcast yeah thanks for well live long and prosper we talked about star trek a lot this uh this episode and um see you next time i guess um yeah god oh we're done sick of you guys i'm gonna go cuddle a puppy and uh okay i learn how to break philo pay whatever it's you said All right, bye. All right.

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