Triforce! - The Cure for Brain Rot | Triforce #328

Episode Date: August 6, 2025

Triforce! Episode 328! Professional gamer Lewis gives Flax some advise on how to live his life and we discuss brain rot like YouTube Shorts, the Manoverse and Grok. Lewis loses control the podcast during a warped and hungover version of Lews News! Go to http://buyraycon.com/triforce to get 15% off sitewide. Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pickax I've got a bit of drilling outside of it if you can hear the drilling no I can't hear it there'll be noise on my end dude I'm afraid there'll be some on mine too we're having our deck our deck fixed oh which is just outside the garage so It'll be noisy. I'll start. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Traffles podcast.

I thought we have started. That's all that gold is left now. All that gold left behind in the mine. I could, we can go for it again. No, it's fine. That's the beginning. Fine. We were just chatting.

We were just chatting about how it's noisy in the background. You're right. Normally, we never just chatting. Normally, we don't have to be sad about it. That was literally 10 seconds of chat that we've made. Now, wasted 20 seconds, complaining that it's gone. It's lost in the midst of time. The midst of time have taken that conversation.

Here's some news, if you like. I have an air conditioner now. Like a big boy, one. Big boy. It's a unit on wheels. Right. That, oh, he's a cold motherfucker. Tell you what, this thing will make you cold.

Is it loud? Um, so I'll be honestly, dear, it says it's whisper quiet, but it's kind of like that Simpson's bit with the blender. Right. It's whisper quiet, you know, like that. I'm not going to say it's like super loud, because we sleep with either a fan on, like a big floor fan, which is a loud fucker, or a white noise machine, which is also loud. Yeah.

So this to me is nothing. This is no big deal. Some people are like, oh, I can't sleep with that noise. I need background like white noise or brown noise to help me sleep. So this is no problem for me. And the only thing is I'm going to be moving it between two rooms. The office here and the bedroom. And so I'm not going to like hardline, wire it into a window and have it there as a permanent thing.

It's a mobile fixture and I just stick the hose where it needs to goes, basically. But I'm loving it. I think it's fantastic. Good. Haven't needed it yet. Oh, you haven't turned it on. Haven't needed it. We turned it on, but haven't needed it, is what I'm saying. Right.

What does that mean? What does that mean? exactly what I mean for another one right exactly so I bought it and then the weather changed we've had quite a cool few days even had some rain and now I'm starting to think oh shit it's getting hot again

I'm just sitting here sweating this is when the AC will come to the fore we are on this we are coming up with a very sweaty weekend yeah another sweaty one yeah another sweaty one three days of of blistering heat here in the UK it's very well in the world it's just a normal day but obviously just a reminder

None of us have aircon, well, apart from P-Flax, and has meant to keep in my garage, not in my house. 66% of us have aircon. This is an incorrect thing. Well, not in his bedroom, though. He does possess it. So has this replaced the Pidgee situation? Did you assume me, have you replaced the Pidgee situation with a sealed area that now has hot air blasting out to frighten them away? No.

Pidgey Sitch is ongoing. And in fact, there's been more of a dramatic turn that I would have liked. Well, okay, I'm ready for it. Okay, so I was happy with the situation as is. But with King Pidgey and Mr. and Mrs. Pidgey and then in the afternoons, Bachelor Pidgey, okay? So Mr. and Mrs. Pidgey would turn up in the morning and they would coo at me and I would feed them and they would eat and then they would go. And then they might come back for lunch, they might come back for dinner and I give him a little bit of seed each time. In between this, there was a Bachelor Pidgee who occasionally would try to join them as a thruple and they would peck him until he left.

Oh, I thought he became King Pitchie. I thought he had taken over the roost. That's what happened subsequently. So then a bunch of pigeons, a gang of pigeons basically discovered that I was feeding pigeons. The word got around the pigeon neighborhood. And so I went to put some feed out on the Monday of this week. And it was like the scene from the birds where the tippy hedrons getting attacked. Like that.

That was me. There's just pigeons everywhere. They're all biting and flapping and there's feathers and seeds going everywhere. And I closed the window. I was like, no more. And I made a sign at them. I hope they understood. No more.

And they all pecked to the wind. window and looked really sad and coo to me. So they're here right now. So I'd barely been feeding them over the last few days, trying to wean them off it, trying to get back. Mystery Mrs. Pidgey, though, they still turn up. And they're on the window. They're looking at me. I'm like, just for you guys. I'll sneak some out there. And then Bachelor Pidgey, who's quite a chill dude, I'll sneak some out. See, he's here right now. Hey there. Hey there, Mr. Pidgey. All right, you get some feet because you're a good lad. You've got, he's got some mega diplomacy going on here. He's making, he's making plays. He's making some huge plays. Yeah. I, it's got to

the point now where I'm looking after these pigeons, I've got them a little bowl of water that I've blue-tacked onto the windowsill so they don't knock it off. They drink that. They eat the seats. It's pretty cool. But yeah, it's, it reached ahead where they were literally one of them flew in at my head while I was streaming. I know. And I had to like get him out. But then somebody clipped that. And then there was a subsequent attack where he sat on my bin and I hadn't noticed he'd come in. And then he flew at me and landed on the desk, flapped at me like crazy and flew off. And I was like, right, this is ridiculous. But now it's so hot, the window has to be open. They just keep coming in. I've made a rod for my own back here. There's no one

to blame but me. They just keep coming in. Yeah, it's, um, it's no, there's no one to blame but yourself. And you're, you're, you need something else, friend. Like, you need, you need something else. Okay, okay, I can help you. Are you saying my life is empty? Are you going to recommend the Samaritans? Let me send you a recipe for pigeon pie. I think you could I know I'm vegan but I'm saying is that you've got like you've got this well fed

you know I would never betray them like that they're sweet animals well looked after you know they're not covered in parasites I should I would eat no I would eat I would eat wood pigeon

if if offered it at a nice restaurant in fact I think I have had pigeon when we were in France I might have had pigeon and it's tasty but these are my friends I wouldn't eat them just like if I was on a farm and I had a pig I wouldn't eat the pig. Listen, but you've also got a problem.

And I'm saying there's, you can kill two birds with one stone. Don't talk about killing birds. He's right here. And then eat them. I don't have a problem. It's easily worked out. All I have to do is just, when we go away, for example, when we go to Japan, they ain't get any seed then.

So they're going to give up. They're going to have to fend for themselves. They'll never give up, though. They'll come back. They will come back. They always do it. They'll cycle around just to check every day, you know, if you've returned. Are you going to leave some sort of slow release?

lease seed on the windowsill? No. Oh, you are. You're going to be, you're going to wash out and you're going to give some, you're going to get someone to come around and feed them for you. No, I'm not. I promise you. One of my regular viewers, Elliot, he's,

he's a carpenter and he's, I was discussing that I wanted a platform that fits onto the window sill with clamps and then it struts out so I don't have to have them on my windows so practically in the house. They can be, it's like a viewing platform. And he was like, I could definitely build that view. I was like, I can't make you build me a pigeon platform. But it's starting to get tempting at this point.

Yeah, you should, do you know what? And then you could expand it into like some sort of large, you know, pigeon kind of castle, you know, bit by bit you can sort of build it onto the side of your house. And there's like different, there's like a palace for King Pidgey and like, you know, a kind of a little bungalow for Mr. and Mrs. Pidgey. Start selling property. They can have little nests. Yeah. I mean, the main thing is what I, this all began because I wanted to attract Corvids. I wanted either magpies, I wanted crows, I wanted something like that, because they'll bring you prezies.

The piggies just turn up. They're not bringing anything. Apparently, Macpies and crows will bring you shit. They're bringing me some joy. No, they don't shit on the windowsill. Love. They don't shit on the windowsill, remarkably. They don't do it.

They're very good. Don't get me wrong. I love birds. In fact, I'm a big of a pet bird than dogs or cats. Just kill Mitsumi, you know, people are listening to this. That's crazy. But I think, I think they are wonderfully stupid. birds and they have such they are they you think you're training them you're teaching them but

they you're not really no they they you could trick them so easily you're just yeah it's like the way to to get around any animal is just with food like if you want to train a dog just have bacon in your pocket if you want to train a bird just have bacon in your pocket if you want to you know that's just have some bacon in your pocket and uh and and i think that would work on a lot humans, honestly, if you had a bacon butty in your pocket. Yeah. Could train a lot of people to do what you want as well, you know. Oh, so it was the Yogscast 17th birthday yesterday. Congratulations. I heard. I'm very hugged. Happy birthday. Oh, my God. I can't believe it. I can't drink apparently anymore. What do you mean? My tolerance is gone. Oh, you can't drink. Oh, you had like a little

tipple and three drinks. It did you in big time. Smash. Yeah. I'm, oh, I'm feeling knackered. But it was a nice times, lots of people came down. We had a little barbecue in Queen Square. It was nice weather. We had nice chats with people. It started quite late, so no one got sunburned, you know, because the sun was sort of going down. It was hot, though. It felt like the sun was like it felt like it should have been given a sunburners. Everyone's slapping sun cream all over themselves. Nice. But it's, but it's quite safe. People, we don't go outside a lot. You guys oiling each other up. Some of the guys are very pale-skinned. who very like

well like Dan lovely Dan arty game Nina is you know very very but she's a got I mean they're meant to be pale skin right wait Nina's a got

yeah she's pretty goffy I'd say she's got got got got vibes like think about it Nina Nina is quite pale and she wears a lot of black makeup and dark clothes that to me is

well I mean that's your day to day goth I'm not saying that's full blown golf Jack Simon Duncan they're all you know very pale skin and fragile pasty boys

it's a very British Did you guys have like, um, you know, something, some sort of like, um, like a gazebo or something that you could, uh, that you could be in or no. No, we just had Daph with an apron and a barbecue, slap in various, um, various different kinds of burgers and sausages on the, on the fire. Right. And he, um, he was, honestly, he's brilliant. It's, um, it's, um, it's his natural habitat. And he's, you know, he loves it being that host. And he was giving out, um, after, you know, after we'd, um, been going a while and people were all full up. Dafford course has kept going. And so he's starting to cook burgers and sausages for any fans going by and a couple of homeless people. And, you know, just like, random people were fussing by.

He's like, oh, what? Because he's quite, I don't know, he looks, it all looks very clean and stuff. You know, it doesn't, I think if someone offered you a burger in the street, you would normally be like, no, but he's got back a random burger from someone. Someone just approaching me with a hamburger. No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't.

He's such a lovely boy. No, I would. not take a burger from Dav because there's a decent chance. It's a rustlet. Like, there's no way am I taking that burger. Yeah.

Appetian me, you got to eat it. It's a good burger. It's a rustless burger that thanks Dad. You can keep it, brother. He's, yeah, he's roasted up some obocheed and some broccoli on the fire as well,

which, you know, roasted broccoli. Nice, yeah. I didn't know that Dav is, is half Greek. Is that true? Dav's dad is, Is Greek?

Yeah, that's what Paul Choi told me. We were playing Dotes last night, and he said that we were discussing Dav as we often do, because we love it. He keeps this quiet, doesn't he? I'm pretty sure Dav's dad is Greek. Right. And that would explain the, and apparently Dav's dad is like a big mustachioed Greek lad, like exactly what you imagine is going to be, which explains. Swarvy. So I used the term Swarthy because I wasn't streaming, so I just said it.

I don't think it's an appropriate term anymore. I'm pretty sure there's. Swarvy is like we have, that is a lot of deprecation. We've deprecated that word out of the language. I'm pretty sure. But it also is a great word. And it does describe DAV. He's swarthy.

I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, like I reckon he's just shit, like Paul's just fucking with you. And like he's actually 100% Welsh. I know. I'm pretty sure he's not. I think he is for sure. It's from the old English.

Swart, which meant black. So that's where it's from. Spart, I guess. Yeah. There's a lot of these words there are. I will message Davith right now. Yeah, see what he says. Yeah, let's go to the bottom of this.

Is it true that your dad is Greek? Make sure you say mate as well. No, no, no, no. Mate, is it true? I just call him Davith. That's it. I call him Davith all the time. That's enough.

I don't need to call him mate. I'd like to be half Greek. I think I'd be more, you know, attractive. Half Greek? Be a bit more European. You look at you already do look like a little bit more. Yeah. You look more European than you do English, I would say.

Yeah, you could be a foreigner, I think, looking at you. I mean, I don't trust you. So it could well be that you're half European. I don't know. Well, that's the Lebanese child. You've got a thing. You might have like some, you might just have like a strand of Lebanese. in you from way back, you know?

You've got a hint of the SWAT about you. Let's be right. Yeah, I think I think, well, the thing is, as soon as you compare me to literally anyone who is even from France, I'm like, you know, the most pale Englishman you've ever met. It's just that happens that you two are also from Canada and, you know, the north. I guess, where are you from Pfex America as well, New York? He's from the North. First of all, I'm not from America.

My parents are, my mother. is English. My dad is Canadian by birth, but he didn't grow up there. They both grew up in the UK, in England, in the South. I'm just a classic Southern Softie. That's what I am. Oh, yeah, but you're still from the northern hemisphere. You know, you're still from above these latitudes or whatever where it's like... The Mediterranean is in the Northern Hemisphere. You're from north of the equator is what he's trying to say. Yes, so is all of these places we've referenced. True. They're all from, I mean, Greece, Lebanon. That's not sub-equitorial. is it?

Of course. But Canada and the UK are relatively high up in the latitudes, you know, on the earth. You've been, you've got an ancestry that's pretty pale face. I mean, to get down to pale face, to get down to the equator, you've got to go as far as Uganda and the Democratic Republic of Congo. Well, I thought I tried to use another, like, offensive word, this again, probably shouldn't be used. On the other hand, you know, I'm trying to be.

From pale face. Pale face. You don't hear people say that. You don't hear pale face anymore, do you? No. Don't hear people called pale face. It's true. It's true.

Maybe it's time for it to come back, you know? Maybe now's the time. I don't know. I feel like, unless you're grok or whatever. I don't know that's words. We talked about this recently. Let's discuss grok. I'm down for a bit of grok, Kate.

We discussed it a little bit. Doesn't he keep getting, like, lobotomized because he tends to go too woke and then they have to reprogram them to get him to get him back. I see. They've got to calibrate him because he goes too woke. GROC is one who swings wildly between, you know, way too woke for the people who he's supposed to be obeying. Yeah. And then suddenly doesn't quite get the message and goes just, you know, So I think it's because these guys are so close to Hitler anyway, right?

Like the Republicans and they're so close to being racist anyway with the whole exporting immigrants thing. That is basically just a whole big veiled racism, right? I think we all know that. And I think it's, and as a result, I think Grok is very insecure because he's like, you're supposed to be a Republican propaganda tool, right? But you've got to like, do it carefully like we are, you know? You've got to disguise the racist. Yeah, be careful like all the other Republican propaganda tools.

Come on, there's a line. You've got to be careful out there. But yeah, but in the same way that those guys could be tricked into being, saying something incredibly racist, so can this fucking AI. So, first of all, I think the issue with GROC for them was that they thought that other forms of like fact checking and everything had a liberal bias because they were trained to be, or they were controlled to be that way. That was their feeling. Was it when you have a community note that says,

no, this is a lie, they were like, well, of course the liberal, liberal bot would say that. We need a Republican bot, Grok, and we'll raise him on the truth. And they let Grok loose, and it came to the same conclusions, because a lot of the shit that they say it is false. And I think a lot of them were quite upset to discover that Grok was saying, no, like community noting Elon Musk on his own platform saying, this is not the case,

that they were like, well, this is embarrassing. Clearly something's wrong with the code, so they've had to go in and change it so that now GROC is a racist piece of shit. So I don't think they've trained it. I think they did train it, and then they realized that if they train it on just facts, it's going to come to a lot of conclusions that they disagree with,

and they're going to then have to fix it, which is what they've done, as far as I can tell, because I've seen a lot of Reddit posts of GROC just being terrible. One of the interesting things that these AIs are trained on is, I don't know if you've ever watched, there's a TV show called Pantheon, which was like a kind of animated TV show about AIs and how you could have a guy

have his brain like scanned to make a digital version of his consciousness, right? But it was like this what was called destructive process so what it would do is it would like laser scan a layer of your brain while you were still alive and like destroy the brain behind it and it was kind of fucked up actually and frightening. It looked like you know

this thing where they it's quite horrible in the in the cartoon in the animation where you know they get their brain But that's actually kind of based on how these AIs are really trained with books, right? And so they get like a million old books and they destructively scan them. So it's quicker to do that, right? And the books are like destroyed as it goes through. Now, these are the things that the AIs are trained on. But obviously, a lot of books were written.

It's not, it's relatively, we still live in a very racist time. But a lot of these books were written in times where people were even more veiledly racists. so is it a wonder when you know something that's trained on this this sort of you know all this data which I assume all these books were not written in 2025 I assume a lot of them were written in the 80s and right or older like there must be books being scanned from hundreds of years I don't know there's a lot of ideas that have we've gotten we've faded out of of you know thought and I think it's it's almost like the AI's we've sort of forgotten how we don't really understand how they work, I think, at this point, well, I'm not saying that we,

obviously, some people do, but I think at a certain point, you can't quite understand how they can make these connections. And so it might be just be like a subconscious racism from all the data they've consumed from this, you know, and that's why almost they have to have these, like you said, it's like a lobotomization or whatever, where they have this padlock stuck on them, which is like, don't talk about this. Because you see it all the time where one of them starts talking about Tiananmen Square and then has to like, you know, scroll back and delete what it just said or whatever. Yeah.

I did see an interesting thing about that, which I think is, you know, you know, when people very recently complain that a lot of content and a lot of things that we consider like true are Western-centric, for example, we talk about Tiananmen Square quite often, and we are like, every day pretty much. I can't think of one day that goes by where I don't bring it up or mention it or have some discussion about it. Yeah, I go down to get coffee in the morning. morning, my wife says, you know, you're right, Fredmo, you're looking a bit sad today.

And I said, I just thinking about Tiananmen Square, like that, every morning. It haunts me. It keeps coming back. But it's all very well lost banging on about Tiananmen Square, which rightly we should. But it also was a neat distraction from all the shit that we've done in America and in Europe when it comes to protests and crackdowns. And there have been plenty of people who have been killed or badly injured at protests over the years. and we kind of gloss over there

because Tiananmen Square had that great picture of a tank and a dude and I think if it hadn't been for that picture that burned into our minds man standing up against the system it wouldn't have been

anywhere near as big need. Why are people still talking about that? What about the Hong Kong stuff? There was a few years ago. Why aren't we still talking about that? So you need that moment to burn into people's brains like the, what was the university massacre?

This was back in the 60s. Crosby Stills and Nash and New York. for the Vietnam War Protester. Ohio State, I think four people were shot by National Guard. If you actually watched a documentary about that, I think it's in Ken Burns Vietnam documentary, there's stuff about protests.

It's incredible how cack-handed the response was and how openly hostile to these students, the administration of Richard Nixon, and a lot of the police and everything were just openly hostile. We don't need to go back 55 years. We can see it right now L.A. with stuff going on like today with these. I think a lot of the stuff that Nixon said in motion is still is still thriving today though. Oh, for sure. But that picture, that picture of the guy

lying face down having been shot and a girl next to him crying out for help, that picture is burn into people's mind. So people remember that. And I think if we're going to talk about people's right to protest and stuff like that, you need an iconic image for people to gather around and say, oh my God, that's terrible. Otherwise, it's just another protest. So I think, It's all very well as talking about Tiananmen Square and AI bringing it up, but it's almost as bad that it doesn't mention all the other fucking protests that people are just not as aware of where shit went wrong because the fascist cops. But again, it's because it's trained on humans and it exaggerates itself, right,

in the same way that it's, it can't think for itself because it's not in the physical world and it's only being, it's fascinating stuff. Anyway, I like how they each have their own personalities. It does feel like Grok is the worst one. Yeah. Well, what about that window? Did Microsoft do one? Eva, wasn't she called?

And she became a Nazi in like two seconds. What a surprise. I think Grock yesterday referred to itself as Mechah Hitler or something. It's almost like you just have to take like one little peek behind, who's behind these ones that go turn into a Nazi almost immediately? And your answer is there. It's weird. It's pretty crazy.

Pretty crazy. I think it's one of these things where it just speaks so comfortable. And then you sort of tell it it's wrong. And it's like, oh, yeah, like you said, we went through this, didn't we? Yeah, we were talking about the thing that says, yeah, all my hands up there. Absolutely, I've lied to you. Basically, they've just made every colleague you've ever had in an office. Oh, my God.

So, what was I, I was thinking about, about AI the other day. And a friend of mine, she has. Did you have any time to think about it with all the thoughts of Tianan Square? Well, I squeezed it. in. You got to crowbar it in there. I did manage to crowbar it in. Yeah. She was talking about how her little brother got a new phone. And because we were having quite a sort of in-depth conversation about what they call the manosphere, but which they should just call the cunto sphere, but whatever, those guys like Andrew Taiton, there's a lot of content out there, which is entire

purposes to make fun of women. Like, it's incredibly misogynistic content. There's tons of it. And what do they do? They just like videos of like women. tripping over and then people laughing their heads off at it or something. I love the way you think that this manuscript content is built around slapstick comedy. Well, I consume approximately zero percent of it, so I have no clue what it is. So it'll be things like, I mean, so for these guys, and feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong about this, lads, but these guys have a few things in mind. First of all, they think that women are stupid and shout.

And essentially, a lot of the Manosphere relies on men being frustrated with the fact that attractive women don't want them. And they think, but I've done everything right. And the whole, I'm a nice guy. Why don't these girls like me? They go for Chad and blah, blah, blah. That era has sort of turned into an open misogyny against women. And a lot of it, you won't notice that it's misogynistic because you think it's just funny.

And it'll be content podcasts and little fucking web series that people have put together. where it's like you get 10 dudes in a room and a woman walks in and they decide whether they want to date her and it's like a speed run blind date and you'll do one with a bunch of women and a guy walks in and then you pop your balloon

if it's a yay or a nay on whether you would date this guy. They get the most shallow, awful people possible but because there's 10 of them suddenly it looks like you've got a quorum of opinion that represents the way women are. So this guy walks in and he looks like kind of a nerdy guy

and all the women pop their balloons And then it comes out that actually he's a successful guy and he's got a company, they're like, oh, actually, can I unpop my balloon? And it makes him look shallow and it plays into this trope that women only want money and they don't care about men. And if you're not the right height, you don't have the right bank balance, they're not going to talk to you. But if you do, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So that is misogynistic content. And I think people don't realize that it is because it seems like it's just a goofy TV show. Who's watching that, though? Like, what is the big demographic for that? Young men who want to feel like the reason. The reason they don't get women is because young women who don't get women. Young men who are unsuccessful dating. They need someone to blame.

This is just an echo chamber, right? It's an echo chamber. It's one of the many examples of the internet. No, that kind of content is appealing to people, like you said, who are looking for someone to blame, anyone to blame but them. And they can't, and I think a lot of these people genuinely hate women. Yes, no, they're 100%. And I think it's, and they're looking for anything that portrays that, right?

Even if it's faked or set up, and they fall for it and believe it. But that on a microcosm is what's happening with the rest of everything. You know, with immigrants and climate change, people are being fed content that agrees with their chosen point of view, right? You can find evidence that agrees with whatever you want to believe. And that I think is very desirable for humans to have, right? Humans want to be told they're correct and validated and and comfortable, right? And it's and the other people agree with them and they feel community and they feel,

oh, but then what's what's the point though? Like, why are they so, so they're at the root of it, they're pissed off because they can't get a date or enough dates. I don't know. I mean, it's hard to know. They haven't found a person that they... They're not looking for a solution. Right.

They're looking for revenge. Oh. You know, they're looking for validation and they're looking for a very short term of like people commiserating with them or saying, oh, yeah, I agree with me. So they've been unlucky in love and now they want to get revenge. Yes, of course. Yeah, I think so. Oh, you say yes, of course.

But like a lot of people don't operate like that, though. It's like, it's hard to understand that. that people would on mass or, you know, allegedly on mass, feel like this. Because you hear about it all the time that, you know, that, that, like, young men are becoming more sort of radicalized towards this kind of stuff or whatever. But there's not a, I think there's, like, tons of people who equally don't feel like that and probably can't really understand, like, what any of this is because it does, it just sounds so stupid.

Like, it just sounds weird, like, to be that put out about something. You know, there's other things you could be doing, obviously. You've heard of insults, right? I've heard of them, yeah. And you've heard of this idea of like- I'm sure I've interacted with a couple as well. I'm sure, yeah. I mean, you've heard of like being red-pilled and all that kind of stuff.

You've heard of any of that? Yeah, yeah. So that's what this is. I mean, it's nothing more than that. It's just the online version of people who feel like, young men who feel a lot of hatred and distrust towards women. Right. And here's the thing, right?

Hold on. Hold on. A lot of these online content creators, a lot of the women who are successful online, I know because I follow a hell of a lot of Instagram, are very shallow and they just play on their looks. And they're unavailable, and they go out with a certain, like, 1% of dudes who are very good looking and jacked and have money, because they're like what they call high value women, which is itself a, you know, one of this sort of,

this all grew out of this dating idea that you don't just meet someone and get along and find each other attractive. it's some kind of game that you can, a system that you can game if you have the right tools. And these guys, it's all about selling this idea to these in cells that the problem is not them, it's these women. And society has told these women that they should just sleep around, but of course they're not sleeping around with them. And it's the whole tradwife movement where people now just want women to basically, they can't get a no grounds divorce.

There has to be, you know, it's basically all working back to the point where the men are in charge and you meet a woman who say, I'm going to marry you, and they marry you, and they're stuck with you and that's it. The liberation of women, especially when it comes to sex, has had a big effect on a lot of men where they just can't handle it. They just don't understand it. This is a concatenation of events, right?

A whole number of things are going on where we have unrealistic beauty standards for women. We have dating apps where women are given so much, well, but women are given so much choice over who they can go out with. Of course they're going to pick the better men. And so you do have

these statistics which bear this out and it's obviously it is fascinating and true that, you know, men have much different experiences

on a dating site to a woman. But that's a website. But this is, but this is also to do with our society as well and the way that we work,

men are supposed to ask women out. Not always, but it's again, like a thing. And there's still like these very strange kind of lasting

from the last century of men, and having to pay for the meal or be masculine or act in this certain way. And I think that all of these strange things that have come from the previous generations and are still persistent today in cultural influences and the way the internet works and also the way information works makes, and the way we'd be told, like romantic comedies always say, oh, just be yourself. It leads to a lot of very lonely, frustrated men who are blaming and lashing out at any

one but them. And I think they can't, and one of the easy targets is to blame women. Successful women. And it's, or any women. And I think you, you do, you, you do develop these odd, odd people from it. And it is a problem of our time. Um, I think it. So they don't like, they don't like people who like, uh, like big, um, influencers and, and, um, probably like, like what only fans, um, people who've, who've made like a lot of money off only fans and stuff like. These are the kind of people that they hate. So a lot of these dudes hates women that are on only fans. Right.

They hate them. But aren't they at the same time probably the biggest consumers of their stuff, I would have thought? Yes, of course. Well, that's the great irony, isn't it? You look at the people, the states that are the most religious and, you know, actually watch the most disgusting porn or whatever. Like, you know, there is a bizarre connection between, you know, people.

people who believe that the moon landings were fake to also think that lizards did it or whatever. Like, it's, people can't help these types of people. Yeah, it's like, which one is it? There's easier conspiracies to believe, by the way, out there. If you believe in that insane stuff, you could dial it back a little bit and just believe in something somewhat more believable. You can both hate the girls and only fans and be their primary thunder. Yeah.

You know, so I think a lot of this stems from, I think that this is a long time in the making. It's all the internet. Like, this did not exist before the internet. This idea of any of this hatred, any of this, you know, red pill, blue pill, black pill, all this kind of stuff. In cells, vol cells, people who've just literally given up on having sex because they think of themselves is so unattractive. This whole subculture didn't exist when we were younger because there was no one else to talk to. If you were single and you were really struggling to meet someone, you had to just hope you had ugly mates like you.

And some of us did. And we just played D&D and we were chill with that. We didn't get together and turn our anger on women. We saw them as this thing that we just could not ever approach. They were just super superheroes to us. So you were just like, oh my God, goes, you know. But now it's become like, no, they're wrong. We're right.

And I'll tell you why I think that is. I think now it's easier to find a safe space. on the internet where people of these niche kind of viewpoints are in and so as a result it can get bigger back in the day if you were just living in your village there was one

yes of course there was one misogynistic guy and you didn't really want to hang out with that guy but now you can hang out with guys like you you know all over the world so imagine imagine that you had in the sort of mid 2000s and into the

early 2010s you had a big rise of feminism online. You had the Me Too movement, you had a lot of women coming out and talking about how, you know, sexism, which was huge in the 90s and the early noises, it was a lot of just open sexism. And it was just like, that was just the way it is. And then gradually women were like, no, that this is not acceptable. We don't want to be treated this way. The problem was you had people talking about the patriarchy for the first time in general conversation. And that was something that you only really knew about from academic books if you read about, you know, gender studies

and the history of sexism and stuff like that, the idea of the patriarchy was not something that in everyday conversation people would discuss. And you have these young men growing up in that era being told that they have all the power and women have none. But from their perspective, as a 15, 16, 17-year-old young fella, women have all the power, not men.

They have no power. They have no money. Their mothers are generally the ones raising them and in charge, especially in an era with a lot of broken homes. Your mother is the king in the house and you are just like, you do whatever she says. The girls you want, they don't want you. They're going out with older dudes or dudes with money.

So you're being told men have all the power it's time for women to rise up and you're telling that to a generation of young men who are powerless themselves. And their response to that is to say, fuck you, there is no such thing as a patriarchy and they fight back. And that's the problem is that they have been

turned into this army by assholes like Andrew Tate and like I was going back to the origin of this conversation. I'm sure I'm going to get so much fucking hate for this, but I don't care. The origin was that my friend's brother, he bought a new phone, he installed the apps, and she could not believe what his algorithm was given him. Really? Which was just the most hateful shit.

Just horrible, horrible, horrible. Because it figures out very quickly, oh, you're a young man, here you go. Jordan Peterson up the ass. Andrew Tate double hope. Yeah, but he's going to have had to have consumed some of that content first. It throws out what it thinks you're going to like. You click on one video and it's like, gotcha. And it just funnels you down.

that tunnel. It's like a series of paths and there's no, there's very little overlap. Once you go down one, it's like a motorway that just takes you straight to this shit. Jesus Christ. And this is what I was, I was wanted to talk about the algorithm. All of these guys like Musk and like all of these fucking cunts who say AI, oh, you know, AI's going to solve everything, blah, blah, blah, and all of these companies, Google, Facebook, all of them. They're all suffering from this one thing, which is that they are these freedom of speech, oh, freedom of speech. It's not freedom of speech

if it's editorialized by a machine, a machine that decides you're going to like this and just force feeds it to you. That is so much worse than having a free press, which they fucking hate, by the way. They fucking hate a free press.

They just want an algorithm to decide what are you like? We're going to give you nothing but that and more of it, and we're going to turn the volume on it up to 11, and the content creators, the grifters who figure this out, will play that absolutely to perfection.

And all of a sudden you have young men and young women being force-fed this absolute shit by some Nazi AI like GROC who, like the idea that it's the marketplace of ideas. If it's the marketplace of ideas, why is there an algorithm deciding what I see? That shouldn't be the case. So we've walked, we've slept walked into a situation

where the biggest assholes have the biggest mouth. And that's the problem, in my opinion. Well, I agree with that. I think in some sense is the, rock thing is, is not necessarily being tricked into saying stuff. It's just telling people what they want to hear based on what's, what's worked previously and what's had the most interactions, right? Like, it's the same thing with YouTube basically turning into fucking shorts. I don't know if you've noticed that YouTube is just being ruined by shorts now.

It's all shorts. And it's, and Netflix is fucking spammed by games. What is this? Spotify's got fucking audio books on it. What is that? Discord has got fucking free shit. I'm supposed to play fucking wordle on my discord. Like all of these platforms seem to be fucking pushing us towards to do to do stuff that other platforms are doing. Like, but, but, and they're forgetting their original thing that we want to use them for. I don't, I fucking hate YouTube shorts. Um, I hate that YouTube is becoming Instagram and I hate that Instagram has become TikTok. Um, and, you know, everything is now TikTok. Everything is now 10 seconds of attention or less. Yeah. And constant. And it's like, oh, why? Why are you doing this?

It's bad. I see, I see my, uh, what's next. Like the effect it's had on, on my son, for example, who gravitates much more towards just watching stuff on YouTube or, or whatever. Rather than just watching, you know, actual shows that would have been on TV that he can access through a streaming service or whatever, he barely watches any of them. He just, well, like, if he, if he's either gaming or he's watching stuff on YouTube, but the attention span thing is, is, is, is a worry for sure because of shorts. You know, like even if he, if he sits down to watch a movie or whatever, he's constantly checking to see how much time is left on it. You know, like, he's always like pressing the button so that it pops up, you know, how much time has passed, how much time

is left. And it, and you just think, we never had any of that, you know, like you just, you put on a movie, you sat down, you watched the whole movie. You, like, you, you didn't have any concept of how long it was or whatever. But now it's like, there's this, I don't know, it's really weird. Like, it's like, you know, he just checks all the time to see how much time is left. And he'll get bored so quickly of something. And then, you know, just move on. So when I uninstalled, when I uninstalled TikTok, genuinely, I'm not even kidding, I felt my patience, my attention span, my ability to just sit and do nothing returned. Like TikTok is absolutely. We all know this. It is crack for your brain. It's just a constant dope. We don't

even need to discuss it. Everybody knows deep down what it is. Yeah. And we still have it on our phones, a lot of the case. I don't do any of us? I don't. I've never had it. I've never, I don't. I think the only TikTok content I've ever consumed has been probably through Reddit or occasionally on Twitter or something, you know, like you'll see like, you know, something that's A little link or something that's gone like really viral. Lois, do you have it on your phone? Do you have it on your phone. No, but I have Instagram. And the thing is, I found myself pressing Instagram and just scrolling on the, like I'm using TikTok. It's basically tricked me into using it, right? And I, it's almost autopilot, right? I just am like, oh, I pick up my phone, bam. I'm Instagram. I'm scrolling

stuff. And I'm like, oh, my God, what am I doing? And half an hour has gone by. And it's so easy to do, right? Like, I think, I think, look, we are obviously susceptible to this because we haven't lived our lives with this buffet of content, you know, of being able to consume half of a movie and then discard it and then consume half of this thing and discard it and like constantly flitter-fluttering between content, which is, I guess what your son is doing because he has so much option that he's looking for something that grabs him. And it is hard to dig through the mess to find something that grabs you. But if you're so used to nothing grabbing you, if you've got no dedication at all, then I think it is ultimately very unsatisfying. When I see what the algorithm is serving up

to him, though, I'm always relieved because it's just like lots of Minecraft videos, like tons of Well, who knows what, well, again, maybe that stuff is the stuff that maybe something will click that does hold his attention, then that'll be fine. But maybe also, like, his brain will adapt to it, these young brains, you know, we adapt to the weird things that we grew up with, you know, it's the classic thing of our grandparents were poisoned by, you know, asbestos, our parents were poisoned by lead or whatever it is. We're poisoned by microplastics. There's something poisoning our kids, and it's probably TikTok, but are they going to, are they

get adapt to it, may they're going to survive it? Probably. They'll probably figure it out. I think like, you know, it's, it's, the human brain is actually remarkably robust at like, you know, adapting to, to, um, stimuli. And I think pushing, hopefully pushing people in a healthy direction. But then again, who knows? I mean, all of us are like, fucking autistic as hell and all messed up from what we, you know, what we grew up with. So I think having grown up in the, in the 80s and 90s, I always feel bad for my kids because, I always remember those years being so great, being outside a lot. The way that we socialized was completely different.

But looking back, to me, I thought it was better. Maybe it's just because that's what I was used to. But, you know, you used to have to, everybody would jump on their bike and go to somebody's house. Or you'd go to the park or you'd go to, like, the mall or something, you know. And that's where you met up with other people and you did stuff. Well, I think I am constantly seeing these healthy things. I'm seeing like people leaving dating sites to join like running clubs and then and stuff like this. And that I like the idea that that you know that running groups or something like

that become the new dating ways to meet people. So I don't know like healthy pursuits. It'd be nice. It'd be nice of physical things. Find other ways to meet people because I'm not sure that all this stuff works. Like I know there's success stories for sure. But man, there's some there's like me ups at the board game cafe and like, I don't know, social situations that are much healthier where you will more naturally be exposed to a crowd of people with it moving through and you know and it'll be more organic and healthy i think like if you if you if you take one second to think about the problem that you're facing if you're if you're a young man who can't get a date or whatever and you're struggling with that don't just don't just rely on you know

the dating apps that are all owned by the same company and deliberately designed to keep you on there and keep you single you know that's that's their market That's how they make their money, right? Keep telling you yourself that. Dating sites are not incentivized to find you a date. I could get a girl in two seconds on one of those apps. Two seconds. They are incentivized to take your money and keep you single as long as possible

and make you spend money to try and find a date. It's not, if you get a date on a dating site, they've lost, you know. So you need to break out of that mold. Is that why you were their best customer? Oh, God, I spent thousands. Did you? No, I did. I never spent a penny, but maybe I should have done.

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pull him by an alternative name, is half Greek. Paul Choi was not lying to me. Well, no, because I think that would mean his grandma, so her son was also Greek, and then Dav is Greek. What do you mean? If his grandma So his granddad was Welsh His grandma was Greek

Right, but his Let's say his grand Let's say this was a grandma On his dad's side So Sure His dad Will then also be Greek

No? Or are we saying No The Greekness evaporates Immediately If your grandma's Greek That doesn't mean your dad's Greek That woman has a Greek womb

So A grandma It takes two people To make a child Right A Greek woman's womb I would say You're Greek

But what if the sperm that made you was Welsh. It doesn't matter. Do they even you become Greek? You're some kind of chimera.

This is impossible. I don't think the species could cross fallinate like that. I think you're pretty damn Greek if your mom's Greek. Only one quarter

of his grandparents were Greek. That is very great. He smash his plates all the time. I think you put him next to a Greek person and you notice that

he doesn't look any more Greek than I do. No, it's like when you put Tamagocchi near each other they interact somehow in pretty sure. The other thing is, number two, you mentioned lead.

I thought it was interesting that they are now in Britain, and they're going to ban lead in shot and stuff like that in bullets because people use it a lot for hunting and you just end up with fucking lead everywhere, which is obviously really bad. So they're restricting that. They've given them from 2026, you have three years for all these people that supply this shit

to source ammunition from elsewhere. And they're saying three years is not long enough. How fucking long does it take to stop using lead in whatever? bullets he would make. Three years is not enough. Three, they want five years? You're telling me, it means three years. You can't just say, hey, let's not use lead.

Let's get this other thing and use that. Three years? Nothing takes three years. What the fuck? This stuff drives me insane. And honestly, I think it leads to a lot of people, be very exasperated when they read news about things like, I don't know, like dumping sewage in the sea or dumping.

it on farm, or selling it. A lot of, in the UK, a lot of sewage is sold to farms to use, and it's full of like PFAs and all this shit. And it's amazing that it goes on. And when you hear about this stuff, you're like, how is this happening?

But I guess you hearing about it means that it's something's being done, right? So it is, I just thought it was funny. It is moving towards a positive direction. The complaint is surrounded by negativity, right? But every time you hear some negativity, you should think that, you know, least there's an awareness of the problem, right? And it's the problems that we don't know about

that are always more scary, right? And hopefully, we're moving in a positive direction. Greg Wallace has been fired. I know about it. We are aware of it. 50 additional women have come forward with allegations and they finally sacked him. He's gone. They did. And I'm aware that he placed total war. I'm aware that he's been fired. I see everything he posts gets sent to me about 10 or 15 times. Yeah, we've been in the Gregosphere, okay, we know. We've been, I've been, I've been Gregosfeared very hard by the algorithm. Please stop sending me Greg Wallace shit.

I don't know him. I don't like him. We don't talk about it. Yeah. We're not fans of Greg Wallace. We started off this podcast talking about disliking him. And then he, that led to, you know, I think before the allegations were made public, we probably mentioned that he was in a lot of stuff, but was kind of annoying.

But, I mean, he hosted inside the factory, which I really liked. He hosted MasterChef, which I think you guys probably liked. I didn't watch it as much. But, like, you know, before we knew that he was an awful person, you know, I think we probably might have said at one point, maybe he's okay. I don't know if we were ever bigging up. No, I don't think we were. We were talking about what I tried.

So I don't know why people seem to think that we were big in him up. Do you know what I mean? I don't think we big up very many people. We were not like, you know, giving like Greg Wallace a shout. They should do a turning point episode on Greg Wallace because I feel like when people found out that he played a lot of total war in his spare time, everything just went downhill from there. A bit like that time, Elon Musk called that guy that was trying to rescue those kids in a cave, a paedophile. And then everything just went downhill from there for him. That was the first time he'd been challenged.

A lot of people cite that as like a point. where they didn't know much about Elon Musk, but they liked all the, you know, the Ferrari and space and going to Mars and stuff. And they thought, this guy is actually doing like some interesting stuff. And then that happened. And overnight, just the, the mood changed.

The mask slipped. Yeah, the mask slipped. Yeah. It's almost like giving people infinite money. He's like a tantrum, yeah. It's not healthy for their brains. You want to talk about doom scrolling TikTok. Being a billionaire seems to be the worst thing for the human brain.

Yeah. Because there doesn't seem to be any good ones. Well, I don't think, again, I don't think he believes that he believes anything's quite real. I think he sort of thinks that he's playing some sort of video game. Well, he is, but he's getting to someone else to play it for him. Yeah. Some Latin China or whatever. He kind of can't think that he's, it kind of, I don't know, there's a certain narcissism

that comes with this whole thing of that I deserved it. I earned it. It's very strange to think how, like, they just start, they don't really understand that it's just luck, so much component of luck. They think they're, they think they've earned it. I think that's the most dangerous thing about these people. Oh, I have a request. If anybody knows how to get tickets for the Ghibli Museum in Tokyo, let me know,

because I joined this queue website to buy tickets. It's like their website can buy tickets. I queued from 8 in the morning yesterday. You did this? I was on the website, yes. Right. You're trying to get tickets to a museum in Tokyo. Yes, because I'm going to Japan next week.

Oh. We just definitely, definitely discussed a Japan trip, like, 10 times on the blogger. I think this is one of these things that you have to get them really far in advance. Yeah. Well, I'm trying. This is a month in advance. I heard like six months in advance. Yeah, it's impossible.

So when I started queuing. I was told this. I was on the website for about 16 hours. Okay. That was how long the window was open. 2 a.m. last night. I'm finally the queue, the queue opens. It's time to buy tickets.

I look. I am number 15,000. thousand six hundred and eighty seven in the queue that's my position and i was like uh maybe it goes really fast this is that's what it was like queuing for oasis tickets that when they did you did you get oasis tickets no we didn't get them we queued for them though because we just thought really yeah i wanted to we wanted to try to go yeah oh i thought you were going to sell them or something you wanted to see oasis not not particularly but it's just it was just such a i don't know it just it it would be kind of a cool show to go to i'm not a huge fan but i just think like

A bit of nostalgia, but also, you know, that's, it's like one of those things that you just, like, you've had potentially an opportunity to do something that's just not really going to probably happen again, you know? Yeah. To me, it's like the Brexit tour. I just reckon the average person going to an Oasis gig is probably a big Brexit voter. That's how I feel. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I just, I just thought, well, we just thought, you know, whatever, like, we'll try.

And then we were in the, in the queue, but, I mean, the same outcome as for millions of other people. just in a queue, in a queue, in a queue, and then nothing came of it. But, yeah, we were just bored traveling back from our vacation. We were on the, we were on a ferry for like four hours. So we just thought, oh, well, let's hop in the queue and see if we can get some tickets. But no longer. Doug's way of getting Glastonbury tickets is basically he has like a pool of people. And it's like 20 or 30 people.

And they all try and get tickets at the same time. But each person can buy, I think, four, maybe five. So what they do is they, if one of the. them buys them, they notify the list that they've got, they've secured four, and so then they know that between the rest of the 19 of them, they only have to get 15 more tickets. Right, right. You see what I mean? So that's a big group.

19 people. It's like a strategy. They have a little pool. Yeah. Nice. But it's quite a clever way. It's worked for them surprisingly well. Well, we didn't have to do any of that to get tickets to go see Ghostface Killer.

It was fine. No problem. No problem there. Yeah, that's true. I've really, I've bought tickets for a few gigs this year, and it is getting so hard to get tickets. I assume there's all these armies of bots that instantly buy them up, because you can always get them on Viagogo instantly.

Yeah. So there's just some fucking machine out there that just buy, Instabies all the tickets. We've been fairly lucky though. We got tickets to see Blur at Wembley. Those sold out pretty quick. My wife got tickets to go see Bruce Springsteen at Wembley, which sold up pretty quick. She went to see, they went to see Lionel Richie, which I don't think sold out very, very quick, but. I got tickets for M.J. Lenderman, any fans of M.J. Lenderman, got tickets for him, seeing him next month.

Got tickets for Cameron, uh, uh, you know, what is it? Cameron, Cameron, like, no, Cameron Winter. Is it Cameron Winter or Cameron Davis? I think it's Cameron Winter. I got tickets for that, which I was very excited. Nice. Yeah, Cameron Winter. Um, his album, Heavy Metal, if you haven't heard it, it's a game changer. Absolutely incredible. Got tickets for him in December in London, which I'm very excited about. And I managed to get Lana Del Rey tickets for my youngest for her Christmas present. And they went, she and Mrs. F went last week.

And that was at Wembley. And they fucking love her. I bet. Yeah. You guys are lucky. You live in London. So it's not like impossible to get to these places. Like if we book tickets to see something in London, we got to book flights.

You got to stay over. It is a big thing. Like it is just basically a big. vacation, yeah. But you guys are right there. It's pretty sweet. And everyone's going to play London, right? It's like, it's not like you're in the middle of sort of nowhere and you're like hoping the day tour there. It's like they're always going to play London. I mean, and also personally, we've got Twickenham Stadium. Use the tube a lot. Like is it, is like a mainstay for you guys to get around? All the time. All the time. Yeah, of course. I mean, my youngest will take herself off into London. Wow. Like she will get that she will get on the train. She'll go from Twickenham to Covent Garden and like shop. around all day and then come back. Jesus. And some people are like, how can you let a 13-year-old do that? Yeah.

And the thing is, she lives in London. Yeah. I don't want her to be a Londoner who at 18 when we suddenly release her from the house is like, what do I do? Where do I go? Yeah, of course. I mean, you live in the city. You've got to be a little bit street smart.

Yeah, of course. You've got to learn. And I've trained them like, first of all, they're not going out at night. They're going out at the weekend when it's nice and busy. I said your phone does not dangle in your hand. like this so some guy can nick it, your bag is this, like across your chest, everything, like all the training that I've, mental training that I've given my kids about looking after themselves, I do not want two kids living in London and not knowing what the fuck is going

on. Yeah, absolutely. So you've got to let them spread their wings a bit. And it's scary as a parent, but it's, you know, I don't live in a tiny town where everybody knows each other. I live in a huge city. Yeah, I mean, where we live is tiny, but it's not tiny enough to where you know everybody sort of thing.

But my son, he's old enough to venture out a little bit now, like, you know, occasionally like yours, like on the weekend, he'll go meet friends in town or go to like a movie or whatever. But it's, you know, I think at 13 is a good age for them to be doing that kind of stuff, you know, because they have, they want a little bit of responsibility. But they also are a bit smarter about, you know, the dangers around them and, you know, it sounds like so stupid. But, like, you've got to teach them how to, like, cross the road safely and stuff. Yes. Because they just won't know how to do it. Right. But also things like how to spot a nutter.

Yes. Like, that to me is a skill that I've always had because New York had a lot of nutters and London does too. And you can just spot them out of the corner of your eye. You get this sixth sense for people who are crazy. People are up to no good. You get kind of eyes in the back of your head. You just get a feel for it. And you can see the people that have no idea.

We normally call them tourists. who just walk around like morons and people are like bumping into them and they're like stopping in the middle of the pavement my kids won't do that shit like they're like if someone's blocking the you know when you go down the escalator and someone just gets off and stands there

that's I don't want to raise that kid I don't want to raise a kid who is oblivious to everything around them because then you end up with a moron you can't have that so they get off the escalator bam they got places to be they're like the London where you're going yeah you've got to keep moving

so you've got to learn that early doors you can't be waiting until you're a grown-up, and then I'm going out and holding your hand and showing you how to use the fucking tube. Come on, come on. We live in a fast-moving world, and they've got to keep up. I'm not going to be there to help them. I can't even be there to catch them.

I just have to set them free. By the way, tickets that would sell out fastest. What do you think? Thinking of acts, can you imagine what tickets would sell out so fast and then be resold for, like, ridiculous money, if it ever. Roll and stolen tickets probably sell out. They're all very quick. I think it's like Taylor Swift, isn't it?

Put Taylor Swift. But she played so many shows. Sabrina Carpenter. I'm saying Frank Ocean. Frank Ocean tickets would be like gold, yeah. What the hell? Billy Ocean's brother? Maybe you just want to think they are.

No, I'm telling you, Frank Ocean. Anyone that knows Frank Ocean and his story. Metallica tickets got to sell up pretty quick now. No, no, but again, these are selling fast. Frank Ocean basically hasn't done a live performance for years. And he has been loved. That doesn't mean that it's actually popular. You can probably find this.

You guys are crazy. You guys are crazy. What music tickets have sold out the fastest? No, no, I'm not asking. I'm just doing a search. Several concerts have achieved incredibly fast sellout times with K-pop acts dominating the top spots. Oh my God.

Ask Grop. The fastest selling tickets for us for the furor's speech at Nuremberg, 1937 to 1938. It was quite a banger. It was great how Hitler. Oh. So, Grock. Thanks, Grock. Fuck me.

Okay. Other notable fast sellouts include BTS's Map of the Soul tour at Wendley, which sold out in 90 minutes. The Stone Roses at Heaton Park, 68 minutes. And Michael Jackson's This Is It tour sold out completely in four hours. That was a world tour as well. That's pre-internet, by the way. Like, that would have been in five.

fucking phone calls, I think, to get tickets, right? Like, there wasn't Ticketmaster and shit like that back then. I mean, to get tickets, you have to go to the box office and buy them or call a hotline and buy them. You couldn't just get on a website, which is another reason I think they sell out so fast nowadays is you have all these people on their phones, on their desktop computers, they're at work with a window open, just refresh, refresh, refresh, fresh, trying to buy the tickets. Whereas then you just went and camped out and queued.

The Guinness Book of World Records notes that take that, the band, sold 1.3 million tickets for a 25-date UK and Ireland tour in one day. I'm still saying, I'm still saying honestly, Frank Ocean. Okay, I don't see Frank Ocean in the in the in the in the yes, because he doesn't play. He played, what is it called? What is that one in the desert? The festival in the desert in America.

What is that called? In the desert. Oh, a burning man. Yeah. No, not burning man. It's, it's a different one. I'm sure it's in a desert. Maybe it's just America's a big fucking desert.

I don't know. It's like, uh, Coachella. It's very famed. Coachella. Cochella. So he played a Coachella set, and it was like the most anticipated set at Coachella, and it was kind of a disaster, and he was barely on stage, and it was a really weird set. He was late. Some DJ played a set in the middle of his set for like an hour. He was behind a video screen most of the time. It's really weird, and it was because he doesn't really want to do it anymore. Apparently, he's kind of given up on music and wants to move into

filmmaking. But I'm a huge Frank Ocean fan, and I guarantee you, a lot of lot of people are. And people are, like, if you look at any of his videos that are on YouTube, you can't find live performances of his. If you find some shaky camera, people like, this guy has no idea how lucky he was to be there. Like, it's impossible. The idea that he would play again or he would tour again is like this distant dream for Frank Ocean fans. I think if they sold, people would be paying thousands for the chance to see him. Because he's rare. It's not just that he's famous. He just doesn't play. And yet he is huge. So I think if Taylor Swift played one tour every three years.

First of all, she wouldn't be the force that she is in entertainment, but if she now took five years off and then so I'm going to play one show, think how much those tickets would go for. People would be paying a million bucks for these fucking tickets. So I think it's like, it's not just about being successful and well-known like the Stones. I think it's also to do with the infrequency of your touring and the desire for people to see you live. You think Elton John, if he did like one more, like, I know he's done now, but like, you know, if he did like one more.

I don't know, because he played the stoop, which is the local rugby ground near me. And from my garden, we heard the gig, and I thought, man, I wish I'd gone. We could have got tickets real easy. Yeah. Like, he played all the hits. It was fucking great.

We could hear the whole thing from the garden. I wish I'd gone. Wow. But yeah, they weren't that expensive. Didn't sell out. Could have gone. So I think if your tour is really hits every single location, it's pretty easy to get tickets if you're willing to travel.

But if you're going to play one venue or just one, one festival, people will fucking lose their minds to get those tickets. Scarcity, huh? Scarcity. I guess so, yeah. I don't know. What, if you could go to, if you could get any ticket to see any band ever, dead or alive, you know, this is just like your mystical chance to experience this band

live. What would it be? Is it, what kind of venue are we talking about? Because I wouldn't want to go see it. It could be anything, anything that you would, that you want to see the most. Possibly you can't now because the band isn't a band anymore or whatever. I would love to have seen the Pixies in their heyday in a small venue. That would have been amazing.

I would have absolutely loved that. Obviously, Frank Ocean would love to see him. But again, not in a huge venue. I don't like huge venues because you can't fucking see them. You can't hear them and you're just in a crowd. It doesn't feel like a good gig. The best gigs I've ever been to are in a claustrophobic venue that is packed. And the band is right there and the sound is right here.

And it's just, you're just lost in the music. And it doesn't feel like you're squinting. You're not like craning your ears. There's not huge speakers muddying the sound. You are present with this performance. And that is magic. So whoever is, Bruce Springsteen with the East Street band, full original lineup, rest in peace, some of the lads, obviously.

That in a relatively small venue would be fucking breathtaking. I would love that. But stadiums do nothing for me. Got no interest in it whatsoever. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I like, I like stadiums, but I like small venues, too. Like, I don't really mind. Just, it just depends on the atmosphere, you know.

Like, it sometimes... Consider this, right? When you go on a stage in front of lots of people, if it's a small stage, you can see them. It feels more intimate and you're there. If you're on a big stage in front of thousands of people, tens of thousands of people, there's no human being to connect with.

You may as well be singing to a wall, but just happens to be cheering at you. That's the experience is not... There's no connection. there with the crowd. At Glastonbury, what I like is some of the sets at Glastonbury, not on the main stage. You can really feel the connection between the band and the crowd. And you know that everyone there really having a great time and you can see each other.

And I think that is important because it is a very human thing going to a live performance of music. It's an incredible experience. But if it's just a sea of people, it just does nothing for me. It leaves me absolutely cold. I want to be there in the crowd, standing close. You can see them. see them. They can see you. That is the performance. You can smell them. Yeah. You'd be smelling big time.

Exactly. Cool. I think the best thing that Duncan said this year, Glastonbury, was the prodigy. Yeah. Well, do you know, I watched a bit of Glastonbury and I thought, Jesus Christ, like, I don't know how people watch this whole thing. And then the prodigy came out. I was like, fucking hell, I would have loved to see the prodigy. Even now, they still, like, it's insane, like the energy of their shows. Yeah. It's just, it was like, Like, everything I saw at Glastonbury, they were still so standout in how the show was, the

energy in the show, like the crowd was going fucking bananas, like, and then you got like, you know, it's, it's whatever. Like, I know I've said this before about like, you know, other, other as soon as whatever, but like some people just like, I'm not saying their music is bad, but like, I think some music is just kind of like good radio music, but I wouldn't want to see it live. There's certain bands where I would love to see live because they're so energetic, you know, like The Prodigy or like, like, rage against a machine or something. You know what I mean? Like, I think those kind of shows would be insane.

But like, I wouldn't really want to go see Celendion or something live. I wouldn't do it for life. There was a documentary about Celine Dion. And after she saw her, Mrs. F became a huge Celine Dion fan. She doesn't listen to her music, but she's like, oh, my God, I love her. Yeah. When it's just that documentary, what she's been through, Celine Dion is genuinely incredible that she's had the career she had.

I mean, I always like somewhat appreciated the Bee Gees, but I watched a documentary on them and I was like, holy shit, this is nuts. Like I just had, no, I just, I thought that they were like so much better after watching it. They have a really interesting story.

And their, their influence on music and their contribution to music has been insane as well. like just a lot of a lot of big hits that you'd recognize and it turns out they just wrote them they wrote them and gave them

away to other people to have and performance stuff I think the Beatles did that a lot too you know it's like diggy diggy hole you know such a bang you don't know that you've lost it

you gave it up it's on by Papa Strump for whatever the Belgian whatever it was called Papa Strumpf Papa oh Papa Strumpf my song, my

my, my, my key song. He's good to my soon. I can't believe it. You gave it up. Yep, gone. And that metal band and then that other lad that sent us had thinking, not just Papa Strumpf, it's all over the place.

And you've done nothing to protect it. Shocking. We were going to quit everything and just live on a beach and you blew it. Yeah, you blew it big time, buddy. Fucking rip. We had a chance. We blew it. Lose news.

A quick lose news. Let's go. It's making new one. Oh, God. I can be stand up then. I was lying on the floor. I'm so hung over today. Wait, you're hung over?

Yeah. Oh, bless you. This was a pretty deep podcast. Hey, we kind of, I kind of went off on one. I try not to talk about politics on the podcast. No, it's all right. It happens. I mean, you can't avoid it, especially nowadays.

It's such a fucking mess, isn't it? Did you see Pope, the Pope, Pope Leo? Yeah. Lester Poplio holographic Pokemon card. Yes. No, I did. So there's a Pokemon called Poplio. It's like a little.

Poplio. Did they make a lot? especially for him or did it already exist? No, it's always been the case and it was sort of a joke. Yeah, he signed it. So he blessed it, he blessed one. He signed it. It's a giant one.

There's a linked here. So, yeah, he signed it. It's a bit of a meme. Wow. The Pope just blessed the holographic. It's like a cute little thing with a, it's like a clowny, like seal thing with a bubble on its nose. I see it now.

It's a, yeah, cute. There you go. So, I've noticed that the, the, the pokey ball, the, thing with the red and white ball kind of looks like popy colors as well. Like he's wearing a white and red top. Yeah, the Popey ball. The Popey ball. Yeah. Popi Mon. Got to bless him all. So yeah, he autographed one. He blessed one. Good on him. Fuckless what any of that means. He's a yank, isn't he? The new Pope. Yeah. So he's not, apparently he's not on board with a lot of the Trump stuff. Like he keeps saying the opposite and they're like this fucking guy. We thought he was one of us.

They thought they put their guy on the throne and he's just like, no, I'm still the Pope. I'm going to be Popey. I can't be Trumpy. Exactly. So, um, worst Pope they ever have. Apparently, you know how video games now cost like 80 bucks or whatever? Well, yes, yeah, yes. Except if you get stuff on the steam summer sale, which I picked up all the DLC for two point

campus the other day, five DLCs for like seven pounds. So, yeah, that's fun. You know how if you want to buy something that costs more than like 150 bucks, you can get like a 0% finance deal on it for like pay off in installments? Well, apparently now, a company called Ex-Sola, which I have heard of. They did a lot of Twitch integration stuff way back in the day. They have partnered with a payment provider so that people can spread the price of an $80. game over several payments. Yeah.

Great. More debt. Well done, everybody. That's what we need. More consumer debt. I read an article about why Steam is so great for Valve. And one of the reasons is that most people buy games and don't even fucking play them. Like, that's the statistics is that there's a lot of games in your library.

You have five minutes or less on that you bought. And then they said most of the people that use Steam are more like collectors than anything else. Yeah. Because, I mean, you can doubt that. And you can say, oh, no, no. I buy games, I put them, a lot of people don't. And I speak for myself, I have so many games in my Steam library that I've played for maybe 10 minutes.

Yeah, I think sometimes the sale comes along and you grab a couple of things and you never get around to them. Man, that that was a unique one in that it had so much promise everybody was like so jazzed for it. Still bought it, didn't I? Still bought it. Yeah, so a lot of people, but it hasn't had like, there's many problems in the world, basically. It hasn't had DLCs or anything. Hey, I am not defending the game at all, but I'm just saying it's on there. We're not talking about Imperator Ombuds.

Okay. No one liked it. You're not alone. Yeah, but it's on my machine. Like, I bought it. Well, are you, you occasioned, is it like that thing where occasionally you think about the Roman Empire, but it's Imperator Rome? Has this even had DLCs?

Who cares? It's dead. Imperator Rome. No, it has not. It's only had soundtracks. Oh, there's a couple of content packs, but nothing big. It is depressing that we live in an age where you can buy like burritos on finance as well because that is one of the things that's happened recently like DoorDash in America.

You can, if you want to borrow against your fucking food delivery app if you can't afford it, it's terrible. So yeah, you can avoid that, please. People don't be doing that. A 22 year old, a 22 year old fake dentist and his two assistants. What was his name? have been, have been, his name doesn't say. Maybe that's why he became a dentist. His name was Crentist?

No, that's, it's an office. You've got to really hate your kid to call him. No, no, no, it's a joke in the office. Dwight is lying about having been to the dentist. Right. And Michael knows that he's been to meet Jan instead for a meeting where he's going to take over the office. What series was this? I don't even remember this joke.

I want to say two or three. It's early on. Oh, Jesus. And he comes back from the meeting with Jan and, and Michael, knows. And he's like, where have you been? He goes, to the dentist. And he goes, wow. He goes, uh, what's, what's his name? And Dwight just panics and says, Crentice. He goes, your dentist's name is Crenstest. That's kind of a coincidence. Sounds a lot like dentist. Maybe that's why he became a dentist. And then he like looks in his mouth.

It's such a fucking funny scene. I love the office. I haven't watched it in years. I should watch it again. Oh, man. That's my go to. I don't know what to watch. I will stick me. I love that fucking saying when Michael's in the, uh, when he's in the, um, in the warehouse and he knocks over all the shelves. Please. Guys, I'm not, I'm not hung over. We can't, we can't just keep having these. I'm trying to read a story. A 22 year old fake dentist and two assistants have been arrested.

It doesn't say his name. His name is crudgeoning dozens of patients using instructions found on the internet. Right. Nice. They have been arrested and held. They apparently said this man extracted teeth, performed complex root canals, applied anesthesia, just using information he'd found online.

Oh, no. He got away with it for quite a while. But eventually he got caught. Give me the peat boy, feed my soul. Jesus Christ, for you there. Finally, this is one for you, P.Flax. Oh, yeah.

Watch out. It's about being bold or something. Go on. There are calls for a summit around birds, especially seagulls, because aggressive behavior has started to become a real concern amongst businesses in Scotland, particularly. Scots are being left scared, attacked, and traumatized.

Aggressive seagulls had attacked seven children. Oh, the seagull three to steal my hat! Jesse, come and help me! Oh, what's wrong? Help, my heart's been stolen by a sea goal. Some kind of great bird can do from the sky. Took my hop dog as well. Grow up.

It's a fucking seagull. None of this. They're getting, we need a summit. They're doing, we need to stop. They're being aggressive. Stop walking around with food in your fucking hand. Fucking come. Come and stay at my house for like two or three days.

If you want to feel better about your seagull problems because. Listen to this. Listen to this news article, Mr. Ross said that said on Thursday that people often smirk when hearing that the Parliament is discussing the problem of gulls, but it's actually an extremely serious issue. People are suffering mental health issues. This is no joking matter when we're discussing goals in the city. Very important discussion. I'm not sure why it's a joke to some of you, because let me tell you these goals are no mess in a boot.

Indeed. They've been, they've taken over, they've been, they've taken over Scotland and, you know, it's I love that accent. Flax, that's like the Scrooge McDuck accent. That's what he sounded like. I love a Scottish accent. I love a Scottish accent. One child had gashes to her scout and blood running down her face.

Blood running down her face. So they're discussing the ways to deal with it. Something must be done. Well, the things they're suggesting are umbrellas. Right. people to protect themselves with. Just be a fucking adult. That's my sentence.

Extend your arms out very wide. More dogs. And go caca! And go caca! Yeah, they hate it. They think you're just a bigger bird than them. Feral dogs is the intention, I think, just to release little highland terriers. Yeah.

Look, there was an old lady who swallowed the fly. I do not know why she swallowed that fly. Perhaps she'll die. The answer of course is to, to swallow a spider, which wriggled and tickled and jiggled inside her. I don't know why she swallowed a spider. She swallowed a spider to catch the fly. I don't know why she swallowed a fly.

Perhaps she'll die. How's she gonna catch that spider, Lewis? She swallowed a seagulled to catch the spider. That wriggled and tickled and jiggled inside her. I love that song. They got to incentivize some boy racers. Give them some free Honda Civics and then they can just kill the seagulls with their cars. Because that's what happens over here.

It's always, you always see like a dead seagull on the road. And you know it's been hit by a car that's got like neon lights underneath it and a spoiler and stuff. You know, like it's people who drive too fast, they, they ace seagulls often because they're always trying to eat crap off the road and stuff. So maybe that could be. They have a hard enough time as it is. They're protected over here. Good. They're actually protected.

Stupid songs. They're wild animals. We've made, we've ruined the world and now we're complaining that they're apart. I know. Tough shit. We used to have a sniper over here for them. Oh my God. There used to be a rooftop sniper.

What was his name? Who used to, who used to call the population regularly. I don't know what his name was. Sniper's name was. His name was Criper. Sounds a lot like sniper. Yeah, anyway, but no longer. Now we've just got to rely on people in their Honda Civics.

So, interestingly, before we finish, well, the other things I heard about Glastonbury was that they had a tent where they would sing like all these childhood UK songs and hymns, and it was packed full of people. And it was full of things like, you know, cauliflower is fluffy and cabbages green, remember this shit? The infatrolization of the West continues. pace.

Bing dong, which is dead. Which old witch, the wicked witch like stuff like that. You hate this. I love this. I think this is great.

I know, Lord of the dance. You know what? You've segway perfectly from one non-problem to the root cause. Now everyone's listening to cauliflower is fluffy

or whatever. And then when a seagull is near them like, oh, I'm having mental anxiety about a seagull. What's happening in the world? Shut the fuck up. It's a seagull.

You're an adult. Live with it. no that's all I had to say I just thought it would be nice to let you know that there's that nice stuff going on like that in the world I say boo okay well thank you for the news and thanks so much for the podcast um there's a long one this is so long it's so long I actually have to go so it's so long it's fun yeah I'm late for another meeting yeah and I've got Lewis I will see you next month when I'm down in Bristol I'm doing see you next recordings yeah I'm coming down in August oh my gosh I'm saying I will see you in

the flesh. In the flesh. I'm going to be down for the whole week. If you want to do something, we should do it. All right, let's do it. I'm down for a week. I can't wait. Okay, bye then. All right, thanks for listening and see you next time. Bye. Thank you. Bye.