Triforce! - The Orange Wine Conspiracy | Triforce #347

Episode Date: March 4, 2026

Triforce! Episode 347! Pyrion tries to start a responsible discussion about the world of tomorrow today but Lewis and Sips get stuck on the world of the past yesterday. Orange Wine is making up believe we're in the Truman Show and Sips is getting quarked out of his mind at a military sex party. Go to http://buyraycon.com/triforceOPEN to get 20% off. Support your favourite podcast on Patreon: https://bit.ly/2SMnzk6 Music courtesy of Epidemic Sound. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pickax Hello everyone And welcome back to the Triforce podcast Oh Hello In my spare room Yes Surrounded by boxes

There's a gentleman Doing some sanding So that might come through on the But it was certainly going to be as bad As planes landing You know the normal beeping of Beaving of lorries reversing in the back of P-Flax Yeah

Yeah So put up with it Yeah, just get with it. Yeah, fine. Time's changing. Listen to this podcast in a relatively noisy place, and you'll think it's just background noise in your life. Yeah.

Try that. I mean, we're the kind of, we're reaching the kind of age where, when you see an article about, I don't know, statins or something, you think, oh, I might need them as soon at some point for my heart. Oh, my God. That's where we are. Yeah, lives, everyone. We're pretty much there.

We're not going to travel to a recording studio. My youngest, when I talked to her about the podcast, she was like, do you guys record, like, video to go with it? Because a lot of popular podcasts, you know, they have, they're in a studio. Good podcast. Exactly. They're in a studio. They've got, like, a producer there.

Yeah. It's live and it's recorded and there's video, and they have guests and everything like that. We don't know any of that. No. That defeats the point of the podcast, I feel. I feel like it should be a listening experience. And quite frankly, if you're watching a video, it's not a podcast, is it? Exactly.

That's a TV show. Yeah, it's a lot of extra effort too, which is probably the main thing that we want to avoid. That is a big part of it for sure. But artistically, I would say when you listen to a podcast and they say, show them the picture of blah, blah, or look at this video and you think, well, I'm not watching the video one because I'm driving. I've just put this podcast on to listen to in the car or whatever. Why are you not accounting for people who don't?

have video and it made me realize that those podcasts are actually like, it's a trip into what it's like to be visually impaired. Right. Right. Because you're now treated the same way that visually impaired people are treated by the entire rest of society, which is to just assume. We're doing it from a kind of equality point. Yes. I think that I think the reason we do it, and it's this, I think we've always said about the Yogscast, is this phrase, a face for radio. right? Sometimes you see these people on these podcasts with the video and they're all beautiful. Yeah.

And they've gone all their perfect makeup and their perfect clothes and their perfect style and their perfect teeth and their perfectly trimmed beards and they look perfect and they're great. We are not that. No. We are not that. We are so far from that, in fact. I have not shaved or actually I haven't got a mirror anywhere. I've got a couple of mirrors like hand mirrors and stuff in my new house.

But I haven't got any end on the wall anywhere. And I realized today. Hand mirror? What are you like a Victorian gentleman? Bring me my hand mirror and my moustache. Check my pocket watch. My mother's walking out of my eye in disbelief. The cock has crowed and I've got out to feed the horses.

So I haven't, I just realized, I looked to myself and I was like, oh my God, I look like, I look like I'm a crazy old man. Yeah. So this is the world, this is what we do. We can barely manage to record the podcast like this, let alone we're not living in L.A., you know, getting the big bucks. We're not recording 10 podcasts back to back. We're just doing it week on week. It's real.

It's raw. Yeah, real and raw. That's right. You don't want to see us. It changes the way of, you know, we have done some ones where you can see us, actually. But it's not as good. No. We don't like it.

The best ones are the ones where you can't see us for sure. I've never been comfortable on camera. Like, there was a time when I, you can see us. I tried to use Instagram and take pictures of myself. I thought you were going to say you tried to be a cam girl, but yeah, that's fair enough. Never been comfortable any. I don't know. He didn't like being a cam girl either.

I guess you can get used to it. Do you know what? I was watching, there's a TV show called The Terror. Have you ever seen it? No. It's really, really good. It's got a whole bunch of really good actors in. And it's about these guys in like 1850.

They're sailing off, well, they're sort of sailing. It's like a sailing ship. It's also coal-powered, you know, one of those old-fashioned things. Yeah. Like the USS, not the USS, the HMS Great Britain. Isn't that the one in Bristol, Lulu? Isambard, King and Brunel, that big thing? The HMS Great Britain, I've never heard of it.

I think that's down by the water. It's not that far from Queen Square actually. I think it's just down south a bit from there along where the water gets wider. It's in Barbier Kingdom Brunels. It's like a big iron fucking long ship thing with sails and huge coal engines anyway. they're off in that thing. There's a scene in that where they decided to take a picture. You know, the way they did back then, you'd see the picture of the expedition

to discover the North West Pass of 8-250, Captain Blah, Captain Blah, and they're all there looking very stern. You used to have to stand still for 30 seconds, and then the picture came out on a plate, and it was only black and white, and the lad doing it had to know what he was doing. It was like a real complicated, almost a little scientific project. Fast forward about 170 years, and now you have in your pocket a device that can take film quality images. I don't know if you've seen some films nowadays, you'll see they've got like an iPhone

in a fucking special holder, like a Steadycam thing, and they're using a phone if it's not like a super budget movie. They'll just use a phone for some shots. It's insane how far that technology's come from. You must prepare the plate with bismuth and enzymes of goose. Stand still in 30 seconds will have a passable image of some of you, some of the You will be very miserable. Do not move, not a muscle.

And now you can basically make a movie in your pocket. It's pretty crazy. So what piece of technology do we have now and what will it be like in 170 years? Like what is the thing now that's like advancing? And in 170 years it will be unrecognizable what we've got now. God. Well, actually, do you know what? I don't think anything has changed because for a start on taking a picture,

you are half the time I went and taking pictures with family or friends or whatever unless I'm taking the picture myself I'm stuck in this Richter's grin for like five to ten seconds right while I'm like have they taken it have they taken it?

You know and you're trying not to move you're trying to like because you don't want to be like halfway between poses. That's user error. You're describing people who are bad at taking pictures and blame in the technology. Back in the day you had to stand still

for like 20 seconds or whatever. There's always going to be like some form of interaction though like even even the technology changes a lot and makes it easier. Any dad taking a picture back in the day, it was incredibly tedious. And even now, like someone's trying to take a picture on your phone or whatever, they're like, oh, sorry, I locked it. Oh, sorry, I'm looking at your nudes now.

It's like, oh, sorry. User error. That's user error. I'm saying the technology itself. As long as we are users, there's going to be error. There's like no way out. No, no, no. What's been around for a long time but hasn't changed?

much at all in like in the past like 50 years or plus or whatever I think it is is an easier question to answer because we have no idea like if you would have asked us back in the 80s about like how much like your VCR would change I mean you could not you could not imagine like the world that we live in today with like you know digital streaming and and everything like I don't think anybody would have would have come up with that back really sort of thing well so you you couldn't have imagined back there with the technology, you couldn't see the frustrations and limitations and think, one day, this will be much better.

No, funnily enough, I'm not a billionaire entrepreneur either. So, like, no, I don't, I didn't have that any idea of how to change what was available at the time. Like, what do you mean? Yeah, in the same way, like, we don't really know where AI's going, do we? No. Like, you know, it'll be really easy for us to say in two years when, you know, all of our dicks have been replaced by robot dicks.

Like, oh, yeah, well, obviously, I knew Dix Robot Dix were coming because my dick was really small. And I was like, that would be the first thing I'd replace if I was, come on. So, hold on. So, when mobile phones first came out, at no point did you guys think, this is new technology, it will get better. You just thought, well, this is as good as this is ever going to be. I didn't even, I don't even think I thought, I didn't even really like mobile phones that much when they came out. I think even mobile phones boggle me today. It's Wi-Fi.

How is that all that data going through the microwave? not talk melt in my brain. I don't understand any of this stuff. I got like a Nokia phone with, you know, it had snake on it and stuff. And I remember being annoyed. I got one. I got a phone and I was like, fuck, now people can contact me all the time. I don't want this.

Like, I was annoyed. I wasn't thinking about how it was going to get better. I was thinking like, oh, shit. Like, why? I'm a man of science. I've always felt like I've always felt like I've. understood how things work, but I don't understand how shit works. There was a video clip the other day, and it showed like zooming in on a chip or whatever,

and it just zoomed in and in and in until it was like, you know, nine nanomites or whatever. And it was like skyscrapers in skyscrapers. And I couldn't believe it. I was like, blah, my mind was blown. I was like, how do you even begin to make something that small and how does it work? And I know how we got there through incremental evolution, but it still feels to be so incredibly amazing. And I think like, you know, even like the sci-fi writers of 10, 20 years ago didn't really predict the technological increases that we'd have.

Like, it's frightening that I've found myself thinking, can chat GPT do this thinking instead of me? Like, I like, I'll come up. I'll have to do something really, anything now. I'm like, I wonder what this socket does, you know, and I'll find myself thinking, oh, I could just take. make a picture of that and ask chat GBT and it will tell me. And it's like, it's frightening how the internet and AI shot all these, you know, these modern ones have, have so different, you know, to what we have. Like, we thought at the pinnick, we were at the pinnacle of the information major when we had

in Carter on a CD, right? And then we thought we were at the pinnacle of the information made when we had Wikipedia and every single thing in the world had, you know, a detailed entry that you could draw or get your fingertips anywhere in the world. But now it's more than that. And in future, it will be even more than that. You won't even have to think at all. Even with AI, I've never been interested in it.

I've never thought about it. The only time I ever think about AI and anytime anyone mentions AI, I think of SkyNet. And I think of the cautionary tale of Skynet. And that's it. I don't think any further than that on AI. The old fable of Terminator 2. That's it. That's my, that is the limit of me caring about AI.

Like I don't think about it. I don't really. use it, I don't think, anyway. I guess some of it is like baked into browsers and stuff now and whatever your phone, like you're probably using it without realizing. But like, I never use like chat GPT or anything like that. I'm just not interested at all. I wrote, I had a thing yesterday, and this happened for the first time yesterday where I loaded up an email. I was loaded up email. I went on my Gmail and it's like giving me like email like summaries. It's like, oh, this person is, And in this email, John is asking you if you can come around at 11 a.m. And that was like,

I was like, okay, I could have just scrolled down and read that. But it's like, that's what we're getting to, right? And like, you know, if someone sends you an incredibly complicated email, you get this like, I don't know, it's fascinating. It's fascinating. Like the, and frightening. And I hate it. It's fascinating, but I feel like I just take technology and, you know, things like, like progress and stuff for granted. Like, you know, people hate us talking about AI on this fucking TV show on this podcast. It's not a TV show.

It's a podcast. Audio only. No video. Yeah. Sorry. Something new will come out. And if I understand what it is or I have some use for it, I'll just use it. I don't really,

I don't really second guess. I don't think about it much. You know, like it's just like it either works for me or like it just doesn't and I'm not interested. Like I don't think, I don't get something new and things. like, oh my God, can you imagine in like 50 years how advanced is going to be? Like, I have no concept of how much more advanced something's going to be.

Or I just don't think I'm very interested in any of it in the first place. You know what I mean? Like to even contemplate it. But I am interested in things like, you know, all these things that have changed a lot and imagining how much it'll change in the future. But then you look in the past and you think of old stuff. and you think of old stuff that is like tried, tested and true and hasn't changed much. And there's probably a lot of examples of that.

I mean, we've talked about old like banking systems and stuff, for example. A lot of power generation is still very old. What I used the other day, I used to mortar and pestle. Yeah. That as a tool, hasn't changed much. That is the same as it's been for thousands of years, grinding spices up or whatever it is to make it smaller and more palatable. Grinding up a poultice.

A healing. A poultice. Pool tis. A pool tis. A pool tis. That makes it sound like something. It's old English. It's how they used to pronounce it.

It's poultry and ice mixed together. Oh, I got another question for you. No, no, no, no. More things, I think. Like cider. I mean, a lot of food has changed in a sense because it's been grown inside. And it's been genetically modified. I mean, you know what I mean?

Talk about innovations. Another condom. and I won't use hot money. What about the household toaster hasn't changed much? They try to like. Basically the same. It's basically just the exact same technology has always been. They just make them look a little sleeker.

And sometimes they like sing songs or have like lights on them and stuff. Blue LED. Yeah, yeah. But there's a, I think it's a British company that still hand makes toasters as they've done for like 80 years or something or even more. Like, Juliet? No, I can't remember the name of it. But it's like, I was watching, there's another, like a lawnmower company that does the same. It's all manufactured by hand, like from scratch, basically.

Like, they source some. Here at Smith Mills, we make our lawnmowers, old-fashioned way. Yeah, no, by that. I kind of like it, though. For 120 years, Paul Lewis has been making lawnmowers. My grandpappy told me how to make a lawnmower. It's a loanmower. It's not archaic enough to be nostalgia.

But they're petrol lawnmowers, so they've got little engines, and they make the engines, like all the little pieces and stuff. Like, it's actually complicated work, you know? Like, it's a human assembly line, too. Like, they have machine presses and stuff like that, but it's not fully automated. Like, there's all these people doing all of these little bits and pieces. It's pretty awesome, actually. There is, you see this a lot, that people are demanding.

stuff because I don't want my law mode to have its own fucking app, right? I do not need to like have my fucking law mode connected to my phone. And then eventually in like two years time when AI is replaced everyone, no one's manning the fucking app anymore. And I can't use my fucking lawnmower. Yeah, but that is the end time. The other thing that's great about these things, right? These things is that they have a much longer guarantee and a much longer warranty as well

because they know that they're, you know, hand, it or whatever to a standard. So they can, they don't have to, to give you like just a one year warranty. They can give you like a 20 year warranty and they can give you like a 40 year guarantee on it or something, you know, like there's very little that will, that will go wrong with it. And if it does, you can, you can contact them and they'll fix it. Like, they don't, they won't just replace it sort of thing, which is, which is cool too. I like that.

I get it. I get it. Like, I, I, I, I would have embraced technology as much to the next person, I don't want my washing machine to fucking connect to my phone and my fridge to get to my phone and my toaster to fucking tell me when the toast is ready. I don't need to know all this constant barrage of smart bullshit. My phone doesn't need to be filled. Although I did get a new kettle that plays music when it's boiling. And when it's done boiling, it can keep the water at just under 100 degrees for like 10 minutes and continues playing music. Look, I don't even have like having a scan a QR code to order in a fucking restaurant. Give me the menu.

Me neither. Especially when you have to log in and then you have to make a fucking account on their stupid, like pub website. But, but download the pub, the Rosencrow. Would you like to get updates and promotions from whatever pub chain this is, informing you of coupons and that? Fuck off. When I'm hungry, I will go to the restaurant. When I want a pint, I will go to the pub.

I don't need to be constantly told, don't forget this weekend you could come to our pub, because there's a thousand of you hammering me with the same shit. So it all just goes in the bin. Just like junk mail through the door, I collected it all up. It all goes in recycling. Stop doing it. It's ridiculous.

All right, I got another question to you guys. I went out for a meal. We've been doing this for half an hour. We've got to move on. I know. No, we got to save for a second. He's got something else to say. Over Christmas, I don't know if you saw,

it was kind of lost in all of the Epstein, nonsense, he newsy shit. Nonsense? Well, Are you in there? Is that what you're trying to move away from talking about? Are you in there? He meant nonsense.

Nonses. I'm not. He's meant to say nonsors. I meant, I meant, well, the whole thing is like, the whole technique is to flood us with too much of right? So we don't know what to look at and everything just gets washed away, right? That's the whole paradigm these days.

New thing, new thing, new thing. It's like Iran, fucking, we're evading Brazil now. Who knows what's going on? Every day's crazy. But over Christmas, there was that, you remember that guy who did the video about honey back in the day? A couple of, like a year ago. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The voucher people. Yeah, the voucher thing. Yeah, back in the day. It was like a year ago. He did a couple of new videos where he sort of exposed honey a lot more. and the way he sort of hosed it was almost like, do you remember the VW testing scandal? Yeah, I remember, yeah.

Basically, they would, the cars were built with this system where when they were put on testing tracks, they would go into this low emissions mode because they had a chip in that would detect that they were being tested, and so they would give off low emissions, and they got away with it for a long time. And Honey were kind of doing a very similar thing.

What they would do is they had a little bit of code built in that if you had any of the cookies on your browser from any of these quite weird websites, right, where they are like ad agencies who sell these, do affiliate links, then it would behave very normally and not, it would like stand down, basically. It would say, oh, we're not supposed to be stealing your money on this one.

But if they didn't detect any of that stuff, and if you were like, you know, if you were an established user, they would almost always, like, jump in and steal. And so the whole, honey was this, still is, I think, this incredibly exploitative money-making system where the guys making it have been the most cynical, the most unbelievably cheeky and see, pushing what they can get away with. I saw this big Reddit thread about a guy working at one of these delivery food apps, right,

or whatever, and how all the tech pros in the back basically had all these met up. to take advantage of like driver desperation, right? So they would look at someone like an Uber driver or whatever who was accepting any offers for like any prices and they would give him, they would make the next one even cheaper. Do you know what I mean? Almost like see where they could push it. Like make as much money off him as possible. Yeah.

And all of these, all these systems that these bros behind the scenes gamify these digital platforms because they have so much data, they have so much, so many numbers. And also, it's so hands off, like, this honey, these honey guys can just turn it on and then if they start getting in trouble, they can turn it back off again. It's like, again, it's the ultimate example of ask for forgiveness, not permission, right? But in such a horrible, cynical business way, there is this incredible cruelty out there that they can get away with when it comes to these apps, like, Like even tipping, like you think, oh, I'm tipping my driver of five pounds. Of course, like, they never see that.

That never goes to them, right? That's, and they always keep the tips. It's so awful. It makes me want to bring back physical fucking currency. Do you mean? Where, like, you actually, because I never carry cash at all for anything. I do. I tip people with cash.

I always, I always, I always, I always tip people with cash because, like you said, you don't know if they're getting it on the, you know, on the little machines. There's no transparency on these things. No one really. You can't see, so I always just make sure that if I tip somebody, I give them cash. I always have a bit of cash on me. We all just use the thing that's easiest, like you said earlier, Sips. Like, you know, you just use technology as it's easy to you.

You don't think about the ramifications of it. None of us necessarily do. Anyway, I just thought I'd share that Honey were carrying on doing amazingly awful, incredibly awful things that I watched a couple of videos that the guy did about it, and they were so interesting. Oh, man. It was, yeah, so fascinating. Anyway, go on, Pflex.

Let's get on with your story. No, I just thought another thing happened. I thought we could talk about it this week. Do you know the Mandela effect? You've heard of this bullshit. It's nothing to do with Nelson Mandela. No, it is exactly to do with Nelson Mandela. Oh.

Okay, go on. The Mandela effect I'm not familiar with. Is this what to do with him being dead? No. So the idea is that some people thought that he had died on the island, his prison, Robin Island. And other people were like, this is the release of Nelson Mandela, right?

There's another one, the Barronstein bears or the Barronstain bears. That's another one. So those are called Mandela Effects, where people... What's the deal with the Bernstein bears? That it's Barronstein bears. Barronstein. And people were like, no, no, no, it's Barronstein bears. Like a different word.

And the idea, this is just bear in mind, I do not subscribe to the Mandela Effect theory. I subscribe to the fact that people's memories are dog shit and you very easily get groups of people who have the same misremembering of things, who knows why, right? Some event might have been confused in the minds of many people with another and now that becomes the truth. Human beings are terrible witnesses, terrible recollections, awful memories, so there is no effect.

However, in the last couple of weeks, I've had something happened to me a few times that makes me think something is going on. Right. This is how people, get sucked into this ship. You're having your Truman Show moment here. I'm having a moment where I was like, what is happening?

My input on this is basically like, yes, urban myths and these things, they spread around and misconceptions, things like the Korean fan death. There's always a thing going on where, and it happens because it's easy to believe. It makes sense. You know, Berenstein Bears does sound like a Jewish name and the Jews run Hollywood, as we all know. I don't understand the Berenstein Bears thing. What do you mean you don't understand? Look up Berenstein bears.

I know the Berenstein bears. I used to read the books. No, they're not called the Berenstain bears. It's S-T-A-I-N, but everybody thinks it's Steen, S-T-E-I-N. And that's partly because of people's pronunciation. It's partly because of the way people talk amongst themselves. It's partly because a miscommunication got translated and maybe it was broke us on the quiz. Oh, Berenstain bears, I see, yeah.

Do you know what I mean? Because these things are misunder, it's like a viral misunderstanding. that spreads in the community. People talk amongst themselves and spread the falsehood amongst themselves. Before the internet, it was much more prevalent thing, but it even is a thing and that constant urban myths and things spread around the world

and catch on. And it's very hard to nip them in the bud, right? Because there's no arbiter of truth out there apart from, you know, apart from the truth. Yeah. Apart from readers added context. Do you know what I mean?

That's like apparently our new arbiter of the truth, right? So I think the issue is the name Baron Stain is very weird. It's the guy's name, the guy who wrote the books. Like, it's an unusual name. And I think that people just saw that and thought it was Berenstein, which seems like a real name. Stan and Jan Berenstain.

And then their son, Mike Berenstain, continued the books apparently. So it is Berenstain. Yes, of course. But the point is, everybody thinks it's parent. Look, let's move on. I don't know why this is so complicated. It sounds better. Berenstein is a name that I've never heard of.

Barrenstein is a name that I've never heard of. Exactly. It feels like trend. I came up in the first place. Because, no, because, Anybody who's heard of the Mandela Effect will know what I'm talking about. You didn't, you hadn't even heard of the Mandela Effect. And then the Bear and Stain Bears thing was just muddied the waters.

It's just an example. No, no, it was just an example. A lot of people thought Nelson Mandela had died. Yes. He hadn't. He had not. And it was this. Who thought they died?

A group of people. Right. All right. You know what? This bit is addressed to people who've heard of the Mandela of him. I can understand my explanation of it. I'm lost. I'm trying to understand.

No, it's good that you're here, Sips, to help me to discover. Yes, because there are other people out there who will have never heard of the Mandela Effect, and you represent that portion of the audience. It doesn't help that they've never heard of the Baron Stain Bears either. That's also confusing things, yes. And then, yes, anyway, I was in a restaurant at the weekend, and the menu, first of all, not a QR code, the menu was folded and sealed with wax. Sealed with wax.

Jesus Christ. Just crack open the wax. Were you on the Orient Express with Michael Portillo or what? I was like, this is so pretentious. Like, that was actually comically ridiculous. You get this cardboard menu. You have to tear this wax seal before you. Ooh, let's see what's on the menu today.

But all that happened is when I tore off the wax seal, it tore some of the paint. My monocle popped out. Yes, my menu looked all tattie. And I felt like, oh, I've done this wrong. And they were like, he's never opened a wax seal in his life, this one. Don't give him the good food. So looking at the wine list, and there's got red wine, white wine, champagne's, prasecoes, orange wine.

Now, I've never heard of orange wine. Me neither. It's orange in colour. It's orange wine. And everyone else at the table was like, yeah, orange wine. That's quite popular these days. I was like, I've never heard of it. It's never come up.

It's not like I'm hiding from wine. I drink wine. How have I never heard of orange wine? Why are you all aware of it? What is happening? Right. Are you gaslighting me right now? Right, where you think you've been dropped into the wrong dimension. You woke up. You got shunted into a world where orange wine exists.

Orange wine. It's a thing. I've never heard of it. What is this? Have you ever heard of quark cheese? No. Never heard of quark cheese? No. Really? Quark cheese? Part of the Waitrose essentials range? Quark cheese. Everybody's heard of quark cheese. I've never heard of quark cheese. What word are you saying? Can you spell it out? Quark, quark, Q-U-A-R-K, like the sub-automic part of the... It sounds like a Star Trek cheese.

Exactly right. I'd never heard of it. And it's there in the shop now. Like, it's always been there. Like, they didn't slip it in while I was asleep and think I wouldn't notice that they've made up quark cheese and orange wine just to befuddle my mind. And to complutify my life.

What's happening? It's a fresh, soft, unaged, acid-set dairy product originating from central northern Europe. You ever heard of it? Complutify. That's a word, Lewis. You've never heard the word, Complutify it.

No. It's that easy. Oh, it's just that easy. It's just, you make up a word and you tell people it's real. It's European cheese curds. That's all it is. Never heard of it.

Never heard of it. You never heard of cheese curds? No, I've never heard of quark. Well, I don't know why they call it something so stupid. I mean, in Canada, they're just called cheese curds. It's fine. I think we call it cottage cheese, don't we? Isn't it cottage cheese?

I don't know. But the point is that whenever this. comes up, right, where you find something like orange wine, everyone around you is aware of it. They're all like, yeah, orange wine. We've all heard of that. And it's immediately makes you feel. Who are these people that have heard of this, though? Describe them.

All of these are everyone else in the world. Okay, but describe them to me. My wife. Give me an example. Your wife knows about orange wine and didn't tell you about it. She's heard of all this shit. Yeah, I know. She works in an office, though, right?

Wake up, darling. What is it? No, but she does work in an office, right? Orange wine has been invented. No, most of the time, she works from home. Yeah, but she deals with people. people who work in an office environment, right? Because I think the word spreads in those circles very quickly.

Not really. No, not in her office. Not really. This is like one of those, it was a Netflix black mirror episode where this woman could change reality and was using it to gas right someone. Notality. This is what that feels like. Natalogy.

What's a notalogy? But I think that that was great. But then the, when you came home from that dinner and you looked in your recycling bin, There was like orange wine bottles in there. It's literally like that. I've been drinking it the whole time. Yeah. But darling, we had orange wine for breakfast.

What is happening? You're drinking orange wine right now. Jesus. Like, it really did feel like that. And so every time that it happens, I, first of all, I think, God, I'm ignorant. Like, I'm so ignorant to have never heard of something that apparently is common knowledge. Immediately makes me feel like an idiot. So I think all this Mandela effect,

stuff. It's just like people feel ignorant when they don't know something and everybody else seems to know it. So their response is, no, no, I'm right. Quap cheese isn't a thing. I'm in the wrong dimension. That is how people cope with being wrong rather than just saying, my bad. Okay. They invent a new dimension that they have been accidentally bumped into and tell other people who are also ignorant idiots like me. Don't worry, Quarchis and orange wine aren't real. We're in the wrong dimension now. And everyone goes, oh, thank God. It can't That's a clone. That's an all new level of coping.

It's crazy. That's how they cope. Yeah. The multiverse. Yeah. Honestly, I'm good to shift into like some, the different dimensions where just random foods. I think honestly, if you want to shift into that dimension, just go to a big supermarket and

walk around for a bit because you will see a mushroom on the shelf that you've not seen before or something. There will be some fruit. There will be some fruit. What the fuck is this fruit? Some wild-ass fruit. Usually off-season. Then you'll look, but everyone's got one in their basket.

Yeah. You'd be like, what? And they're like, yes, we've been eating this fruit for years. Why haven't you? This is the most popular fruit in Britain. Like, what is it? I've never heard of it. Yeah.

That's what it's like. I think there is an element of keeping up with trends too, right? Like to buy chocolate, whatever. I think a lot of this stuff could easily have passed us over if we won't get it. But I also think a lot of it is trends from foreign countries being brought over here. I mean, over here. Here he goes. Here he goes.

Being more accessible. You know, letting us try their interesting fare, you know, from international cuisine. I'd also feel like P-Flex, maybe because you went to this wax-sealed posh place, they have a desire to possibly take things that people might never have heard of. You know, I do seem to think that's sometimes the case. Sometimes that's the appeal for like posh restaurants, because it's like they're selling you an experience as well, you know, like you. And you'll have to get your phone out.

If you go to like spoons or stuff, they're not really selling you an experience. They're just trying to like give you like the lowest price possible for the things that you're looking for. And they want you to feel comfortable and familiar, whereas like, you know, they're always going to have fair that you've heard of, you know, Shepherds Pies and chips and all this shit. Whereas at a fancy and high in restaurant, they're going to deliberately put stuff on that menu that you don't know what it is. And then you'll be too embarrassed to ask the waiter. So you'll just Google it on your phone. Happy Quark Day. And it'll look nothing like.

What we do? Well, so the place we went is in Richmond and it has things. on the menu, they do this a lot in a fancy place. And also places that want to appear fancy, even though they're not, they will have things on the menu that you think, what their hell is that? Yeah. Right? Like if you haven't explained to you, it would be very simply put.

But instead, it says here, for example, this is the menu. This is a very fancy place in Richmond. It's relatively new. It says, whipped cods row with radish and chicory. Cool. I know what that is. I understand what all those things are. Winter tomato,

crem fresh, hazeln-nought dressing. Makes sense, no problemo. Babah Gannush, Labner, gem lettuce, chili almonds.

Cool. On board with all of this. Labnard. You used a lot of words there. A lot of words that I'm, I'm not, I'm familiar with them. I've heard them.

But I can't imagine those things assembled into something edible. I don't know if I want to have whipped cots row. I don't know. I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is.

I mean, it's fancy, but I think it's probably just salty fish eggs like you have on. Right, so here's... Even those two that you glossed over, like, I feel were, like, tricky. You've not heard of Babaginous? I've heard of Baber-Gunish, but I don't know what it is. I think. Labna? Labna, I've heard of as well, but I still don't know what it is.

Very common, like Middle Eastern and... Never heard of Labna. Right. Labner is a completely new one to me. So, all right, what about this one? Grilled variegated kale with red wine Bagnacorda. Okay. I don't know what.

I can imagine grilled kale, but the other stuff I don't know. I guess it's a sauce or something. Char-grilled skate wing, Bill Boehner. You're just making up words. No, I'm telling you. This is what it says. Bill Boehner. Bill Baeena.

Bill Baegins. With Bill Bailey. A char-grilled skate. Skate wing. Skate is a fish, obviously, but a wing is weird. It's one of his arms, I guess. Prawn Agnolotti. What's Agnolotti?

What's Bill Baylor? Don't leave that one alone. I don't know what I'm a lot of he is. Bill Bill Boehner. Let me look it up. Bill Boehner. Sounds like it. I think foodies probably know what this stuff is, right? It's a Basque sauce. It's from Bill Baal. What's that guy, Nigel Slater or whatever on Saturday,

Saturday kitchen and stuff. Like, I think if you probably watch enough of those and you go to places that like serve, you know, fancy food or whatever, you'll know what it is. But like, man, I do not. I don't know anything. in my life where if they tell me what Bill Bainer is now. You told me it's a fancy Bask sauce or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I will have forgotten that by tomorrow. It doesn't matter. Someone will say, do you want a Bill Bainer? And I would like, what's that? I think maybe you do know what orange wine is, but you're actually getting senile and you've just fucking forgotten over and over again. That's the other thing. Your memory's just going.

We talk about the same old shit on this podcast week after week, and people were like, are these guys fucking losing their mind? They told me out this last week. 10 years. 10 years of not understanding posth fruit. I've forgotten, La Belle, Lapelle. I've already forgotten that name of that lettuce. What was it called?

Variegated kale. No, the one before. What was it? Labner. It's not lettuce. What the fucking labna? I will read you the description from Wikipedia. So it is strained yogurt.

It's a Middle Eastern strained yogurt. It's similar to glass after compared to soft cream cheese. Oh, lovely. Stop making these things. I had some soft. You don't eat more of it. I had some soft cream cheese yesterday on a bagel for lunch. That was delicious.

And guess what I had for my dinner? That's right. Vegetable soup out of a can. Stood up over the soup. Where you just stood in the kitchen? Yep. Oh, yeah. How did you even heated the soup?

Oh, yeah, I did, yeah, for sure. Okay. And I made some toast. I did some toast as well. No, I didn't. How were you holding the can? Oh, no, I emptied the can into a bowl. So it was just vegetable.

I thought you were eating it out of the soup. the can, stood in the can. No, no. It's not the, it's not the, it's not the Wild West in my house. Oh, sorry. I apologize. Yeah, he's not on like, he's not on army. He's not right. Why would I make that assumption? No, exactly. Yeah, gosh. You said soup from a can. I thought you were eating it from the can. It was, it was in the can and then I took it out of the can. I heated it up and I put it in a bowl. Did you just put it in the oven until it glowed red and then ate it? I put it. No, I've got a, I got a saucepan. I put it in. I put it in there. Cooking plus one. Yeah, I got plus three cooking XP for that one. So it's really good.

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Thank you very much, Raycon for the sponsorship. On with the show. I got another thing I want to talk to you guys about, right? You guys know that I'm into like military war games and history and stuff like. I play a lot of tactical games and squad basis, that and the other. I was watching a video the other day about the sort of the naming convention for military, gear in the US. You know, it's all like the M1, the M4, the M14, the M16, the M20, yeah.

Which are all motorways for us over the end. Exactly. Yeah. So I was watching a movie on YouTube the other day called Kalashnikov. It's about the guy who designed the Klashtnikov, believe it or not. That's interesting, yeah. So the way that the USSR named their weapons was they were named after the designer. Yes.

So the Kalashnikov, the Simonov, the Dronov, the Dronov. And it occurred to me that these were these were these were created during the Soviet Union. So I think a lot of the originators of these weapons were never really given given like their due props for it. You know, like they have these legendary names. Yeah, but they weren't they didn't become like rich and famous. Like I mean they became famous I guess but like I get they were never like properly compensated as you'd expect. Oh yeah, yeah. But in the West to be like for you know, deviant.

developing some weapon system or whatever. Don't you think that it's far more Western, as I say, non-communist, to name something after the person who invented it or created it, to say we're going to call this to Kalashnikov, rather than just call it the M1, which feels like a far more communist. No, no, no, you don't get any personal glory here. This is weapon number eight.

That's all this is called. You don't get to put your name on it, whereas instead it was the other way around. I just thought that was interesting. Yeah, very, very boring, tedious. point. The danger with naming things after people are you have no control over how weird the person is, right? There's definitely there's There's,

there's, there's, there's examples of things that were named after people who have been found to be creepy or weird or have gotten canceled and then it's like,

you know, trying to rename those things and convince people that they were never named that and stuff. You know, like it's a big backtracking exercise because you don't want to.

Are you saying that my Jimmy Sablet toaster is not, is not okay? Yeah. No, it's fine. It's fine. It's just a,

There's a bunch of crying snowflakes out there. I mean, you're honestly odd to your point here because poor Kalashnikov didn't expect the amount of war crimes that will be committed with his fucking guns over the years. He never thought for one minute that Ice Cube was going to be driving around in his car with one of his Kalashnikovs either. I mean, I think it's killed probably millions of people with Kalashnikov. I think it's probably the... Ler.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people? Yeah. But unfairly probably, because I think they can penetrate doors. Can you imagine the amount of people that are just like, I heard something behind the door, so I shot the door and they killed someone? You know what I mean? Well, oh.

That's my first response when I see a door. I think that's unfair. So you're saying doors killed people. Yeah, doors kill people. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. If you're behind a flimsy door, an AK can shoot right through it. Like, it's, you know, he's right.

It's a very impersonal. Hang on a second. You don't even see the person. I mean, previously we did used to name stuff like the Thompson and the Lee, the Leapfield. Yeah, but so those are named after the, like a lot of the time they're named after either the person who created it or the, the factory. The company. Yeah, the company that created it. But the factory was usually named after the man.

Yeah. Yeah. Like the Opel Blitz and like the bed, was it the bed for, like the old military vehicles were all named after the companies that. that made them obviously. Yeah. They had their own naming system. We named them things like the Cromwell. Like that was a tank, stuff like that.

Sherman. The Sherman. Right. But it's still like the M this, the M that. I just thought, and we put an L. The L11A9B is the name of our gun. Just AK, much cooler. I think that's the main reason that the AK caught on.

Apart from his cheapness and its durability and its ubiquity, the other thing is, it's a cool name. And it can shoot through some doors as well. And it can shoot through a flimsy door. It's just got a cool name, the AK. Yeah, the AK. Yeah, no, it's it is interesting. That, that gun specifically seems to have really stood the test of time

because it's been around for a long as time. Got to be the best, got to be the best firearm ever made. But they're not, not, not amazingly reliable. Would the AK? Yeah, I thought, I thought that they were. No, I thought it was the opposite. No, no, no. Oh, right.

They're super reliable. Unbelievable. Like, you can get one of these things. You can put it in water. take it out, bang, bang, bang. You can cover it in sand, bang, bang, bang. You can freeze it. They are absolutely impenetra war guns.

They're ridiculous. What do you think is the most untrustworthy gun? It's got to be one of the early rifle variants that the Soviet Union were using, right? Remember, they didn't have enough guns for people. So they had to buddy up. I don't know if that was ever true. Certainly, maybe very early on. In World War II, the Russians could produce a lot of shit.

They did, but early on, they weren't able to. They had to industrialize very quickly during World War II. Yeah, but I've always thought that sending guys in, you have the ammo and you have the right, I always thought that was bullshit. I thought that was actually real, but maybe not. I think it was just in the movie Enemy at the Gates and everybody thought it was true.

I'm pretty sure of us too. Hey, email in. There's a topic. Email in if you think that was the case. That honestly feels like a YouTube clickbait video for you guys to make, you know, for it if you want to have a big channel. Sure. These are the most, these guns backfired the most. Movies, most disappointing guns.

So there have been a few in recent years. Most famously, I'd say the M16 in Vietnam was legendarily unreliable when it first turned up. Really? Yes. It was plastic. And that was like the big stone point is it's light. It's fully automatic, blah, blah, blah. but it was incredibly unreliable, needed to be cleaned constantly, and would jam in the field.

An awful lot of American soldiers in Vietnam died because they're gun jammed. They were in a firefight and the guns not working and you had to like field strip it, clean it, put it all back together. It was a disaster. Damn. And they just gave it to them far, far, far too early. It was not ready to just be thrown into the field. I noticed in Zomboid I've been using an M16 and the condition deteriorates very quickly.

Maybe it's like a nod to how unreliable early M-Sixies were. I mean, they did fix it. Like, they did fix it. But the early ones were terrible. I have been playing a lot of Zamboy. Yesterday, Hap Films phone me because it was Trott's birthday. And Smithy said, you're playing Zonboy, but where are all the zombies? Like, because I've killed like 10,000 zombies in the area that I'm in.

There's just none left. Like, it's totally empty. I just do chores all day. Just like raising chickens. I was just playing Stardue Valley and I was like, you know what? I killed so many zombies at this point. And I'm so, I've got out of so many ridiculous situations. I'm just like, I'm kind of done with this now.

Oh, the SA 80, this was the British service rifle when they first released that was very, very, very unreliable. Really? Very unreliable. In fact, when I was working at BA systems for a while, I was working at British Airspace. And when I finished university, we went to, they have these big trade shows. They still have them, which are just like military trade shows. And they have one day that's for trade and then one day that's for the public. So the public, you can go along, you pay a ticket, you sit and they have a little demonstration.

This is one in Salisbury. Did they have any army surplus stuff there? Like can you buy like some hunting gear or anything or not? No, it's not that kind of thing. It's not like the US kind of gun shows and all that kind of stuff. This is just military stuff. And then trade, who is trying to get military contractors and people that work for the MOD or whoever to buy their shit.

So you go there and you look around and they look around and they're, you There's like, here's a new grenade we've developed. Would you like a look at the prototype and here's some videos of it? Because they want you to go back to your boss and say, we should get these grenades. They're really good. Like, that's what they're hoping. But we met a bunch of squatties there. And one of them, me and my boss, were just there setting up our demonstration.

And he came over and he said, I don't know how much influence you boys have in this department. But just tell them, get rid of these rifles. They're rubbish. Just help us out. Please, we've got to get rid of these rifles. They're so bad. I don't know if you guys are involved. And we're like, we're not involved.

He's like, yeah, well, finding people at all, just tell us the problem with like, get rid of these guns. We can't trust these guns. And we're like, no, fair enough. Like, we've heard that. Because if I could run a corner and it's me or some Taliban out there and his gun works because it's an echo. Mine doesn't because it's crap. I'm just saying, it's too good. And we're like, no, mate, we really don't have anything to do with guns.

I'm so sorry. He went on for like half an hour. Nice. It was quite funny. That is funny. What about what about this? When you mentioned grenade, don't ask me why, but the first thing that sprung to mind was, what about a military-themed sex party and you threw a grenade into a room, but it was filled

with lube and everybody got immediately loomed up. Or foam, yeah. Wow. I don't think anyone saw that coming. Yeah. You know, like military-themed sex party. Yeah. How much fun would that be?

I would say first of all, this sounds like something that the gay men might be into. It sounds like the kind of party where you role play as military dudes that can't resist. It doesn't have to just be. I'm just saying it sounds quite gay to me, I think. Yeah, I suppose everything kind of does initially. But then when you start getting some other people in the mix, you know, I think it's fun. It could be fun for everyone. But I really like the idea of a lube grenade, you know.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't think anyone sort of. that coming is what happened when the lights were out. That's what she said. I just feel like when you said, all private, you've got Lou all over, you did sound like a gay party. Yeah, I guess I could see. To me, a straight man.

I could see that. Right. So I could well be wrong. Do you want to hear some Lou's news this week? Yes, I would love to. Loob's news. Loob's news. There was a huge, apparently there was an explosion at.

Rockstar Games is office. A military themed sex party. Loom everywhere. Rockstar Games. Sharon, I'm here on the scene. There's an ocean of wool rolling down there, haven't you. Some of the people involved look absolutely delighted. Some of them are terrified.

The fire crews reached the North, Rockstar North studio on Hollywood Road in Edinburgh. And apparently it was a boiler explosion that caused structural concerns at the building. Holy shit. People were worried that GTA 6 would be delayed. Of course. But no worry. Don't worry.

Don't worry. It's not delayed, but 13 people did die. But don't worry. The game is fine. So that's a thing that happened. But it's all right. GTA6 is still on for God knows when. Okay.

This article says, AI generated podcasts starring gaming characters are about to be a thing. Nice. So you know how it's awful when you're going down the street or in the supermarket

and you see like an energy drink and it's like sponsored by Fallout or whatever. Everyone is now trying to put their brands into, I mean, it's been a thing that's happened in Japan for a long time that branded food. And Mr. Beasts, obviously, with all of his branded food.

And it's always been a thing to some extent with certain things like Doritos and Coke sometimes they get sponsored by the football or whatever. But video games are starting to go into, since they've got into TV and movies, it's only inevitable that they're going into other products. And I've started to see it more and more, but there's now going to be AI-generated podcasts

that are basically themed around and hosted by people like Kratos from God of War. Listen, my son and his friends have been listening to this AI generated. It's meant to be like a stream. It's Keir Starmer, Nigel Farage, Rishi Sunak, Boris Johnson. And they're like, they're talking to chat, talking to each other, and they're playing Minecraft. And it's fucking so stupid.

But some of it is quite funny. But it's very weird. Yeah. Because it'll be like, Keir. Is that your base on the hill? And he'll be like, yes, it is. Like, I can't do the voices at all. But, like, you know, he'll be like, yes, it is.

What's the problem? He's like, that is the most shit base I've ever seen in my life. Like, bloody hell. You put T&T in my base again and not, like, all this stuff. And it's just like, it's fucking so dumb. It's absolute gibberish. It really is stupid. But this is what they, exactly what they want to do.

Yeah. So this is apparently non-existent problem is, this is what they said, video game platforms currently lack the game ability to provide unique and targeted content to gamers to update the gamers about things that are happening on the platform. There are no adequate solutions to the foregoing computer-related technological problem. That sounds like it's written by AI, but the idea of the solution is to get Parappa the Rapper,

or like a lawyer, or like Nathan Drake, to do a fucking podcast, apparently. And it's just that, Sips. It's literally, I've seen that shit on Instagram as well and stuff where it's just AI generated gibberish. It's weird. That sounds like the characters you know and love. It does. Some of it is kind of funny, but like it's just, you know, it's so ridiculous as well. It's such a such a like an odd idea.

It's just brain rot. Yeah. So next up, Mattel, the people who make, make Barbie, right? Yes. Yeah. Their next big movie, okay, is going to be a movie about a 1992 product that failed called Tony the Tattooed Man. Great. Okay.

So, of course, you don't remember who this is. This is not one of those things, P-Flex, where it's like, you should know. No one remembers him. It's a huge, it was like a huge, huge flop. What was it meant to be? Like, it was just meant to be like some sort of like counterweight to Barbie or something. Let me just share the picture because Mattel obviously released loads of things. But this guy, he basically looks like a big fat Gollum man and he's covered in really weird tattoos.

He's like a, he's like a Barbie doll covered in tattoos. Nowadays, this is what we call a barista. Yeah, those are, is that a toy that you can put under like hot and cool? cold water and the tattoos will like disappear and reappear or something? I don't know. But basically... Thank God we're getting a movie. We're getting a fucking movie of this wank.

So actually, I think you're right. There's over 500 transfer tattoos and you're supposed to tattoo him. I see. So anyway, the point is that he basically... I see how interesting. I must be... Oh, sorry. Tony, the tattooed man.

Tony, I misjudged you so much. Tattoo him. Tattoo you. When you're designing this thing, you first of all have to have a naked... Man, right? And then you have to have- No, he's got underpants on. Well, nearly naked.

And then the second thing you have to have is a lot of skin to put the tattoos on. And so his dimensions are just really frightening, right? He's got this big chin, this big forehead. You know, he's got like these just really strange shapes, you know, because Barbie is the opposite, right? Like, it's so skinny that I don't think you could even, like, write a letter on her arms or legs. Imagine the size of the tramp stamp you could give him as well.

Well, exactly. He's built like a brick wall. He is. So apparently that's going to be the next Barbie-sized hit. Right. They've teamed up with up-and-coming director Tracy Lehman. Do you think they just have warehouses and warehouses full of these old toys that are just gathering dust? And they're like, we got to shift some units, Susan.

I guess it depends what it's going to be, how it's going to be shot, right? But maybe the movie is like about the insiders Mattel coming up with it. Who knows? It sounds like, it's not going to be obviously anything like Barbie. I don't think it's going to be an actual weirdly dimensioned, naked man walking around. They'll get that guy that was in the Minecraft movie, not Jack Black, the other one. He's got long hair. They love, the thing is, any excuse to make this movie, it'll basically be a documentary movie about this failed product that also advertises Barbie and all of Mattel's other stuff at the same time, right?

Yeah. There's a Gen Z retirement home that's been built in Malaysia, not for seniors, but for stressed out young adults. I think this is just called Going on Holiday. Yeah, right. It's like you go over there for, you take a micro retirement from your job for one week, which everyone else in the world refers to as a vacation. Yeah.

Yes. So a month-long escape from capitalism, hustle culture, and the concept of having goals. for roughly $430 U.S. dollars young adults can move into a nature-filled compound and do absolutely nothing. They have eights of land.

They don't need to pay someone and have permission to do this. If you just go and rent a cottage and live simply for a week. But you're paying for it. People are morons. I think the idea is to

some people, online your actions have been split between, this is dystopian and please take my money. Apparently it's fully booked. But basically, you know, the idea is that it's the Chinese social movement that translates to lying flat, or it's called Tan Ping. It's a quiet rebellion against the idea that life has to be an endless grind of career milestones and economic anxiety. Tang Ping says, maybe just lie down for a bit. That's called bedtime. If you sleep enough, get back to work. Get back to work. This is called a holiday. You've reinvented a holiday. Stop reinventing stuff that already exists. Reinventing. Reinventing the holiday and the bedtime as well. I consider myself

something of a LinkedIn mindfluencer. Yes. And I've invented something called the weekend. There are two days at the end of the week. Let's call them Saturday and Sunday, when very little work has done at all. I propose this. Yeah, that's the weekend, mate. We've had that forever. I've invented this new thing called brown wine. Brown wine. Basically, some people say it's just red wine that's gone bad, but no, it's brown wine. Some people are saying it's just red wine that I've put a little bit of orange wine in. I just, just, fuck it. Why do they reinvent? things that already exist.

It's just branding, isn't it? To just brand it as oh, imagine if you could just like take a break from work and go out and just like lives a bit, yes, that is a holiday. Yeah, take a break. Go home and get quirked out of your fucking minds. I don't mind. Reframing ideas in people's minds and letting people know that a holiday is supposed to be a holiday. It's not just a thing that people do.

The whole point of it is to do something. It's consumed so much quirk that you're just going to explode. Yeah. Oh, my God. At a military-themed sex party. Quark him. You're going to explode. Just the moob is going to fly out of it.

There's cheese curds everywhere. What's going on? My God, this man's been quirked. He's been quirked. Called Professor Barronstein. He'll solve this. So, Daff just came back from a week in Vietnam. And he's got some amazing stories about it.

So maybe I'll have to get him on the podcast. But honestly, fascinating. You should interview him. outside of the podcast, get his stories, and then come back and tell us the stories. So that a little bit gets lost, like, you know, you can do some embellishments and some exaggerations and stuff. Yeah, secondhand stories. I meant to do that.

I didn't know. There was someone I was going to interview and then we were going to have a little segment on the podcast. That's right. Yeah. That's probably what prompted me to do. I fully forgotten. To come up with this excellent idea of interviewing, uh, deaf off. I would love that.

I would love to interview that. So there was a scientist Etienne Klein, a physicist and research director at France's alternative energies and atomic energy commission. Wait, Professor Klein was from, that was half-class. That's Kleiner. That was cliner. He was forced to apologize after he posted a picture of what he alleged to be the star Proxima Centauri, close up.

So it's like an image of the sun. it was found out that actually the image he posted was a slice of chorizo man I was confused it was a star but it was malo how do you make that mistake

look at this picture look at this picture okay all right that's actually pretty funny oh that was good oh my god what a very interesting planet it. It's delicious.

We have found a delicious and slightly spicy, sir. So this did happen about four years ago, but I still think it's funny. Oh, it's funny, yeah. So there go. That's our podcast. Thank you very much, everyone for listening. Thank you so much. We'll see you all. See you next time.

Because you don't see us on this podcast. You'll hear us. You'll hear us again. You'll hear us again. Next time. Yeah. Goodbye. Okay.

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